#Andor Spoilers

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sharp yoke
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dude

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perfect comparison

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thats it

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also yeah i love syril as a character

tired brook
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yes

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lego
younger audience

alpine plover
tired brook
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yeah basically

alpine plover
tired brook
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i'd say as long as neccessary

like enough so the footage isnt sped up too much and you can actually tell whats happening

alpine plover
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👍

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I'll see what I can do

dapper musk
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This is 2017 Khan level rage bait

primal horizon
finite widget
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Rip stormtroopers imagine walking into that

rare jolt
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Especially given that the actors and director have said this is a companion piece to Rogue One which is also meant for younger audiences

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Please don't tell me you honestly believe that movie isn't meant for children 😭

tired brook
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we got the niamos EDM

dapper musk
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đŸȘ SOY

tired brook
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disney star wars really out here having a scene of a senator dancing and its more captivating and has more character development than entire shows about boba fett and ahsoka

rare jolt
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Mon Mothma crash out

rare jolt
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Darth Vader after learning what the empire did

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This explains everything

primal cape
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Man it was really unnecessary

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Tainted the empires vision

rare jolt
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The empire would never stoop that low

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Darth Vader would never be evil

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1/10 show

primal cape
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Excited to see what they're gonna do with their renewable energy program

rare jolt
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This is easily a runner up for the dumbest thing theory has ever said

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Why do people act like Darth Vader isn't one of the most evil people in the galaxy who cares about morals at all

tired brook
alpine plover
rare jolt
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no

dapper musk
primal horizon
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probably 40% of the s1 soundtrack is in my playlist

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cannot wait till s2 soundtrack comes out on spotify

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i hope we get to see dedra in the kallus/bf2 isb agent outfit

rare jolt
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lol no

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dropping all the rebels/clone wars stuff was the best part of Andor

primal horizon
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“drop the rebels stuff” like the entire point isnt to show how mon got to where we see her in rebels

rare jolt
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Ah yes that's what Andor is about to set up a fan service episode from rebels

rare jolt
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Darth Vader after learning what one of the Imperial Lieutenants tried doing

radiant cove
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Rogue one and andor are clearly more mature and i think the closest thing to "adult star wars"

rare jolt
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The coping is unreal

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Please explain to me how Rogue One is adult Star Wars

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We are reaching levels of SpongeBob rollercoaster I didn't think were possible

flat fractal
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Then you should have an issue with the marketing and merchandising team rather than the show itself. Anyways lego isn't really a kids only thing it's pretty big for collecting

rare jolt
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My guy these are comments from the director himself

flat fractal
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The movies are for kids yeah

rare jolt
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Also saying Lego isn't a kids thing is just plain dishonest

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It's an 8+ set

flat fractal
rare jolt
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It's what you are implying

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Otherwise there is no point

flat fractal
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I'm implying it's marketed towards adult collectors too

rare jolt
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How does that change anything

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It's still marketed towards children

dapper musk
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Why are yall falling for this nonsense

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LOL I didn't realize that sticker was named that

rare jolt
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Nobody wants to be honest anymore

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SW can have more adult themes in it that's never been an issue it's how they portray those themes is why there is controversy

tired brook
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nah, its because american audiences arent used to it being explicitly stated and think its going too far

finite widget
rare jolt
alpine plover
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yes that is quite clear

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this is Star Wars for adults

sharp yoke
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andor is rated tv14 loö

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lol

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idk about u guys but that is pretty crazy

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and it turns out theory isnt alone here

rare jolt
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here we are with the intellectual dishonesty

sharp yoke
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families are NOT happy about that scene lmfao

sharp yoke
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bro just yaps

rare jolt
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when in doubt say yap

sharp yoke
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for the record i do not care about the scene being in or not

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im saying im not surprised ppl do

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and its not an unpopular opinion whatsoever from what ive seen and heard

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tfw u gotta atop ur 10 year old from watching andor

rare jolt
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everyone clowns on theory because of his wild vader take but the first half of his original comment has a point

sharp yoke
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yeah his vader take is not good

rare jolt
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one of the worst takes

sharp yoke
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idek why he brougjt that up

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why was that relevant

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lfamo

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could have left it at first point

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but vader had to be mentioned

rare jolt
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its wild because if he just stopped at SA in star wars bad then he might have had a point

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but the idea that vader would not be ok with it is a complete misunderstanding of the character

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im 90% sure he thinks Darth Vader is just edgy Anakin

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forgetting that Darth Vader is the second most evil man in the galaxy who does not care at all about any of the atrocities going on

sharp yoke
# rare jolt im 90% sure he thinks Darth Vader is just edgy Anakin

nah he doesnt he proceeded to say vader only cares for his power and control which is true and which means even if you could see him being against something like this he’s more than likely disregarding it completely. its not something of utmost importance to him

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vader dont give a f

rare jolt
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he acts like Vader would actively go out of his way to not only stop this sort of thing from happening but go after the imperials who did it

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Vader literally would not care as long as the job is getting done and it doesnt hinder himself or the emperor

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and by job i mean the emperors will

rare jolt
sharp yoke
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yep

primal horizon
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also they say “shit” and “bastard” in season 1 so idk why yall are complaining about andor not being appropriate for a kid to watch

rare jolt
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absolutley horrendous take comparing that to SA

primal horizon
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i’m not

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i’m saying that your point about andor not being appropriate for a child is invalid

rare jolt
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you just did

primal horizon
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i forgot how braindead the people in this server are holy shit this was not the right way to start my morning

rare jolt
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thats not even remotely similar to whats going on in the show now they say those sort of things in Marvel movies lol

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are you going to tell me that marvel movies arent meant for children?

sharp yoke
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ur the idiot

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its not relevant in any other context lol

restive wharf
rare jolt
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nothing as explicit as this

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not even close

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even andor season 1 knew when to pull back

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like Bix's interrogation they dont show on screen cutting out the exact same way as they did in a new hope

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nobodys saying you cant have these themes in star wars

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its entirely how theyre depicted

restive wharf
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ANH kinda seems to gloss over the fact that the interrogation happened

rare jolt
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to give an even better example Bix's nightmare did a far better job

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what they did with the imperial officer just was bad taste for star wars

restive wharf
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Agree to disagree

tired brook
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didnt see you complain about that

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lynching in S1
torture in S1
murder in S1
hostages in S1
corruption in S1

SA in S2

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"but muh kids could watch it!!!!" argument means shit when they'd be seeing all that shit in season 1 which you didnt complain about

rare jolt
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did you not read any of the conversation at all

tired brook
rare jolt
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so the usual pointless yap got it

radiant cove
rare jolt
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Funny how every time this question is asked there is never an answer

radiant cove
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every character brutally dies

rare jolt
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They literally all die offscreen

radiant cove
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so

rare jolt
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The ot was more gruesome

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Just because characters die in a story doesn't automatically mean it's adult

radiant cove
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true

restive wharf
radiant cove
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but thats not the only thing

restive wharf
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:troll.:

radiant cove
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its how its done

rare jolt
restive wharf
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Its not even

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Close

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Theyre just annoying

rare jolt
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Not even sequel fans are as bad as them

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Because they at least acknowledge that trilogy sucks

tired brook
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Luke, did I ever tell you about Krole?
Krole was a human individual who served as a lieutenant for the Galactic Empire. In 4 BBY, the lieutenant attempted to sexually assault the human Bix Caleen while doing audits on the planet Mina-Rau. In doing so, Krole was killed by an angered Caleen with a wrench.

restive wharf
tired brook
fallen patrol
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CYRIL IS SUCH A LITTLE SOYBOY LIBLEFT TWINK BETA MALE OH MY GODDDD

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Damn the morlana club mix is even better now sheeesh

fallen patrol
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Okay idk about using it so long that it extends to the fucking death sad part

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I get the point but come on

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Overall enjoyed tf out of those episodes though, set design and production values are somehow even better than before

fallen patrol
fallen patrol
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A kid would be like "that's fucked up"

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Compared to how kid friendly umbara handled fkn friendly fire

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Okay I lost interest at about 8am

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Yap level catastrophic

rare jolt
finite widget
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I can’t wait for the last episode andor is going to turn around wink at the camera then say “somehow palpatine returned”

tired brook
finite widget
restive wharf
alpine plover
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Lmao

alpine plover
primal horizon
fallen patrol
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Yeahh, couple scenes shorter and I think it makes a poignant impact

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I mean it still does but, less so

rare jolt
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Also cut 2/3 of the dumb stranded rebels part

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Easily the worst arc in Andor so far

jagged dragon
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I think the idea of another radical strand of rebels is interesting (especially one on Yavin 4) but they just weren’t interesting and felt more like a roadblock for the season to actually begin

primal horizon
tired brook
rare jolt
brave stone
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Is it good guys!!??

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I’ll be watching soon

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Much excite

flat fractal
brave stone
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Nice

alpine plover
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Yes

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Ep 1 is definitely my favourite

flat fractal
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Ep 3 is my favourite

alpine plover
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That's understandable

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What did you like most about it?

safe steeple
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I don't think any individual episode is my favorite, I kinda just see all three as one continuous episode due to the release format

alpine plover
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Makes sense

alpine plover
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The ending of three never fails to break me

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plus the acting from Diego Luna in it is superb

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In the second-to-last shot of the episode, his expression changes very subtly, but it says so much about how the character is feeling.

flat fractal
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It never lost my interest

fallen patrol
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The empire is famously anti SA of course

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And Vader was definitely there

restive wharf
fallen patrol
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

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I cracked at ice agent

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"why is everything so woke"

Makes everything seem woke

restive wharf
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He literally got the point and thought "uhhh needs to be less obvious"

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(Means he needs it to be a Twilek MaulScared)

fallen patrol
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He just wanted to watch that happen to a twilek

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Freak

flat fractal
# fallen patrol

I find it interesting because if this show wasn't star wars it wouldn't be getting the type of criticism it does

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But it attracts an audience who otherwise wouldn't watch it

fallen patrol
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3 of them are Ahsoka

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Sus

flat fractal
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Jabbas Palace was so disturbing as a kid

stark falcon
# fallen patrol

Always expect SWT to talk out of his ass and say something consistently stupid

rare jolt
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The guy who threw a fit over season one because there were bricks

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restive wharf
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Actually
Idr who complained about AKs

fallen patrol
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Me who has unironically argued against Space AKs

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rare jolt
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Everyone is really looking over just how bad the stranded rebels plot was

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The worst arc in both seasons

fallen patrol
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You reaaallllly love driving points home don't you

rare jolt
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What do you want me to complain about something pointless like screws?

fallen patrol
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I just don't want you to force conversations nobody wants to have

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But you're the rebels bad guy so I expect nothing less

rare jolt
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Force conversations

fallen patrol
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New sith power unlocked

rare jolt
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Who is forcing conversation

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And this isn't even a rebels bad moment I've firmly been on Andor good team for years

fallen patrol
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Nah but fr how many episodes were they in?

rare jolt
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Each one

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It was wasted screentime that could have been on something that actually moved the story forward

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Like the first season

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But it was pointless and just ended up being another stupid member berries looked guys it's YAVIN 4 GUYS I CLAPPED

fallen patrol
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I thought they started rough but quickly found their place in the point Andor is trying to make. It also serves as greater nuance to the idea that a lot of people enjoyed which is different sects of rebellion. Theyre MEANT to look incompetent. Likely going to progress to a larger point like maybe Cassian denies Saw or Luthen is forced to join with a sect

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It's crazy to speak with this much conviction after only the first 3 episodes arc has released

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How can you even know it's pointless?

rare jolt
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Cool why did that need to be 3 episodes long

fallen patrol
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Because it's a 3 episode block..? They're treated as individual movies by the filmmakers

rare jolt
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Easily could have done that in the first episode

fallen patrol
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Imagine just dropping a plot thread so hard

rare jolt
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It's horrible pacing

fallen patrol
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That would be even worse

rare jolt
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Every time they cut back to them was the worst part

fallen patrol
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Nah Cyril can suck a fat hairy dick and die

restive wharf
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Idk I liked seeing how competent Cassian was

fallen patrol
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Everytime he's on screen I'm scraping my eyeballs out

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And now they've got him on pro incel propaganda

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L character

rare jolt
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I'm not even an Andor doomer but these 3 episodes only Mon Mothma part was good

fallen patrol
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Welcome to season 1

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lol

flat fractal
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Dedra scenes were great

rare jolt
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Season 1 had good stuff

fallen patrol
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I know I'm being facetious like you do

rare jolt
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It's just such a weak start to season 2

fallen patrol
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Hey man if you wanna force yourself to stop enjoying Andor, be my guest. Not gonna ruin my experience with it

rare jolt
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Hopefully the rest is better

flat fractal
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Seeing Dedra's home life humanising her and the Seeing her exercise fascism over her mother in law

fallen patrol
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Deedras part in that was the only good part

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I'm so fucking sick of the SOYBOY beta male mother sub plot

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I do not give a fuck and never will

flat fractal
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I like it

fallen patrol
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Cyril literally stormed off and had his fucking face in the pillow

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AAAAAAAAAA

restive wharf
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I felt that

fallen patrol
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Immature character writing in the most mature Star wars project ever made

rare jolt
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I don't think we needed sitcom moments

fallen patrol
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Imma lose it

rare jolt
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Especially with that guy

flat fractal
fallen patrol
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I can agree that toning down the funny could help serve a better narrative

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But I also don't care cuz it's still really solid

rare jolt
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That's what I'm saying the mon Mothma part shows they can do good writing but the other 2 arcs just slowed the show down so much

flat fractal
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I didn't really like the humour of yavin 4

fallen patrol
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Don't agree with that

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Didn't slow it down at all. If it was all Mon Mothma I'd have lost interest

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She needs spaced out

rare jolt
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Yavin 4 felt like it was a parody

flat fractal
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I wouldn't go that far

rare jolt
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Guys look how stupid the rebels are not just uncoordinated but actual clowns

restive wharf
fallen patrol
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Wait, what about Yavin?

fallen patrol
rare jolt
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The writing

flat fractal
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They were stranded and lost their marbels trying to survive

fallen patrol
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When was Yavin in s2

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I must've missed the mention

rare jolt
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They were written like they were in a comedy

restive wharf
fallen patrol
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No way fr?

restive wharf
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Theres a whole shot when Cassian flies off

rare jolt
restive wharf
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Showing the gas planet and temples

fallen patrol
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That's how you miss things

fallen patrol
rare jolt
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They focus the shot on the temples and play big music moment

fallen patrol
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Missing the temple is disappointing tho

rare jolt
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It was a bad fan service moment

flat fractal
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Also yavin 4 was in 2 episodes

rare jolt
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Guys look its YAVINNN FOOOOOOUR

fallen patrol
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Guys look it's DEATH STARRRR

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Get used to it

rare jolt
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I clapped when I saw Darth vaderrrrrr

fallen patrol
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This shit is relevant to the rebellion show, crazy that

rare jolt
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What the rebels will go to Yavin 4 no way

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How else would we have possibly known that

fallen patrol
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Omg guys no way they were working on the death star the whole time

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Start clapping

rare jolt
fallen patrol
rare jolt
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Not even remotely the same

fallen patrol
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Correct, because you didn't apply heavy amounts of bias to S1

flat fractal
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I feel like these criticisms are a bit too quick we still haven't seen the rest of the series

restive wharf
rare jolt
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I did because the show never pretended that the prison stuff was anything else the Yavin 4 stuff was out of nowhere

restive wharf
stark falcon
fallen patrol
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I don't buy that for a second

rare jolt
restive wharf
stark falcon
flat fractal
fallen patrol
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Yeah yeah you're the only person on planet earth that knew the entire time

rare jolt
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They're building something what could it be đŸ€”

restive wharf
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What is (x) project built by the empire for 500 dollars

fallen patrol
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Something?

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They built parts

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You dongalong

stark falcon
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It’s the Empire they could literally be building anything

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Not just the big Sphere with a Planet Killing Laser

fallen patrol
rare jolt
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They build up throughout the prison arc that they're building something unknown to them and then it is revealed later on
In stranded arc the reveal of the planet adds nothing to the plot and is shoved in at the last moment with triumphant music just to get a quick CLAP HERE moment

fallen patrol
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Make like the Mothma dance scene and COPE

rare jolt
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You didn't even watch the scene

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Bro was on his phone the whole time explains a lot

fallen patrol
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đŸŒ

stark falcon
flat fractal
fallen patrol
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IS THAT YULAREN? WHAT AM I MEANT TO CLAP OR SOMETHING??

flat fractal
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I will

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I'll also complain its boring

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And woke

fallen patrol
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"just how I like my woke lesbian relationships.... Quiet and no kissing"

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THIS IS HOW YOU DO WOK- wait is that SA and ice agents??

rare jolt
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sorry guys I forgot Star wars is perfect with no problems

fallen patrol
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?

fallen patrol
rare jolt
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There's no such thing as criticism

fallen patrol
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?

stark falcon
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Bro has crashed out

fallen patrol
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I think he's just doing the usual sheev thing and living only in massive extremes

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Cuz idk, he's not in reality anymore

rare jolt
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Sorry I didn't love every single moment

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I guess reality is lost

stark falcon
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You mean his mind has overloaded and is having a malfunction? That’s crazy

fallen patrol
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Truly crash

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He's already forgotten that I gave plenty criticism like 5 minutes ago

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Must've been on his phone for that part

stark falcon
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Bro shouldn’t have been watching TikTok vids

rare jolt
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Wait Anakin is Darth Vader how did I miss that part

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The Jedi temple is on Coruscant what

fallen patrol
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Crazy that the "rebels bad" for 30 years dude gets this insecure over his takes

stark falcon
restive wharf
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Ayo what

rare jolt
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Idk what he's going on about this time

fallen patrol
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Guys I literally always knew that palpatine was called sheev, ever since ANH

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How did you not see it?

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It was so obvious guys

rare jolt
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This show sucks why aren't there more clone wars cameos

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Why are they talking so much

fallen patrol
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Wait who is bro talking about

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Genuinely think he's lost touch with reality

stark falcon
rare jolt
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Have you been absent from Star Wars community?

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Because for some reason you're only allowed to really love or really hate Andor

stark falcon
fallen patrol
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Okay enough jokes, time for bluntness

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What the actual fuck are you yapping on about

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Genuinely

rare jolt
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Did you not read my last message?

fallen patrol
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??????

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Dude stop clutching your pearls for five seconds and explain your joke

stark falcon
rare jolt
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Can you tell me which part you are having trouble understanding

fallen patrol
stark falcon
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How about you actually explain what you’re fucking waffling about?

fallen patrol
rare jolt
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I wasn't talking about here specifically

stark falcon
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Because no one understands you rn

fallen patrol
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So you're literally just yapping?

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I'm so lost lmao

stark falcon
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Same, and I doubt his point will be found

fallen patrol
rare jolt
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You asked a question I responded then gave some clarification

tired brook
rare jolt
tired brook
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andor fans when they successfuly bait another filoni fan

rare jolt
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Darth Vader wouldn't stand for evil

fallen patrol
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More specifically SA, but yea

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Vader probably wasn't even in the same part of the fkn galaxy

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What is bro gonna do to stop it

rare jolt
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I sense a great disturbance in the force

fallen patrol
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I must force choke someone from lightyears away

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My SA senses are tingling

stark falcon
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“Uh he’ll force choke the guy who committed SA bruh!!!” đŸ€“

fallen patrol
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The empire would never stand for their officers having more control than is governable!

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That's not the empire!

restive wharf
rare jolt
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Getting to watch assoka season 2

stark falcon
rare jolt
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The empire would never stoop that low

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Star wars fans after watching Star wars

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flat fractal
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I love star wars

fallen patrol
flat fractal
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Disney paid me to promote andor here

stark falcon
jagged dragon
# fallen patrol

“Star Wars is for adults! We need more dark and griddy things!”

“Noooo nooo wait think about the children nooo!!”

restive wharf
stark falcon
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Can’t be allowed to enjoy this but it’s okay to like TCW even though S7 exists because of Disney

restive wharf
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Enter Memesoon, stage left

rare jolt
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Don't forget guys next week it'll be cool to hate on Star wars again don't forget

restive wharf
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Thats literally how it felt when Acolyte was airing

rare jolt
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I hate Jedi fallen order games

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I love Jedi fallen order games

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Hold on let me look up what the current Star wars YouTubers are saying so they can form my opinion

fallen patrol
flat fractal
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I have a 5 star review factory running too

fallen patrol
tired brook
tired brook
rare jolt
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How did Dedra grow up in an Imperial Kinder block

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Are they trying to tell us she is under 25?

safe steeple
safe steeple
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What was republic is now imperial, that sort of thing

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cause the Republic is the Empire

zinc moon
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Yea the episode guide said it was "what would become known as an Imperial Kinder Block"

rare jolt
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Krennic was cool for the 5 seconds of screentime he had

alpine plover
# fallen patrol

The hilarious thing about his tweet is the "Vader wouldn't tolerate that" part.

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like does he not remember ROTS?

rare jolt
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TCW did irreparable damage to the character of Anakin Skywalker

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That's why

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People forgot Darth Vader is in the OT and is a very bad guy

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The one thing Kenobi show did right was show that Darth Vader is evil

alpine plover
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true

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Anakin does so many evil things in ROTS

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how do people not see that?

rare jolt
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He did horribly evil things in aotc

stark falcon
rare jolt
fallen patrol
alpine plover
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Anakin chokes Padme

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that is assault

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doing harm to a person

fallen patrol
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....

alpine plover
fallen patrol
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Again, nothing to do with SA

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You're almost minimising SA

alpine plover
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what???

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it's horrible no matter what type

fallen patrol
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????????

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Choking isn't SA

alpine plover
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he was meaning to kill her

radiant cove
alpine plover
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I never said it was sa

fallen patrol
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What the fuck is happening

rare jolt
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That's not assault that's attempted murder

fallen patrol
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Are you even in the same conversation as me

alpine plover
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idfk

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you confused me

radiant cove
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actually pretty funny

alpine plover
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I was saying that Theory thinks Vader wouldn't condone it, when he literally tried to kill his wife.

fallen patrol
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Not SA.

alpine plover
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and?

fallen patrol
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How does that prove anything

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It proves literally nothing about Vader's feelings on SA

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Zilch

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Zippo

rare jolt
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That he does bad things already

fallen patrol
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Nada

alpine plover
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yeah

rare jolt
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Why would SA be any different to him

alpine plover
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he is a bad person

fallen patrol
#

So a murderer also kills dogs

alpine plover
#

exactly

fallen patrol
#

Got it

alpine plover
#

maybe

fallen patrol
#

Boom

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Maybe

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I rest my case your honour

rare jolt
#

Darth Vader slaughtered children earlier that day bro

alpine plover
#

Vader has done a lot of bad things

fallen patrol
alpine plover
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more than just murder

fallen patrol
#

I had my phone out for that part

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My bad

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Joker would nuke an entire city of people but he won't work with Hitler

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Evil people have lines too

rare jolt
#

I don't think he'd partake in that but he certainly doesn't seem to actually be bothered by any evil that is going on

fallen patrol
#

Vader has been seen many times drawing a line

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I.e slavers

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What do people do to slaves?

rare jolt
#

He doesn't

fallen patrol
#

Especially in star wars

rare jolt
#

The empire brought back slavery 💀

fallen patrol
#

Is Vader the empire?

rare jolt
#

The number 2 guy

fallen patrol
#

Holy shit for a dude desperate for maturity and nuance, you have literally none

alpine plover
#

the point is Vader wouldn't give a shit

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the point is Theory is missing the point

rare jolt
#

Movie Vader never cared about any of the evil the empire commits

fallen patrol
#

You have no point

alpine plover
#

the Empire might condone it, but it will still happen

rare jolt
#

And what did Vader do about it

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Probably went and killed some more children and enslaved more worlds

alpine plover
#

this conversation makes me sick

fallen patrol
#

You make me sick

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Minimising SA

rare jolt
#

Mfw space Hitler is evil

fallen patrol
#

You're acting 12 sheev

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Grow some balls and nuance will come with it

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Space Hitler is palpatine and you should really drop star wars as a franchise if you can't see that

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Vader is more of a nazi soldier

rare jolt
#

Ah yes I forgot only one evil guy in the empire

alpine plover
#

horrible

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the literal worst of humans

rare jolt
#

Vader is the one who did all of the evil actions

fallen patrol
#

Find me a single point of evidence that Vader would be okay with SA

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Even a dribbling

alpine plover
#

find me a single piece of evidence that he wouldn't

fallen patrol
#

Done many

rare jolt
#

When did Darth Vader ever have a problem with anything

fallen patrol
#

Heres another one showing how fucked up he is over it

Mtou4.jpg
fallen patrol
#

He has also killed many officers for crossing lines

rare jolt
#

Bruh

fallen patrol
#

And also kills strangers for crossing lines

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He has clearly visible lines

alpine plover
fallen patrol
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We don't

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Yet y'all speak with conviction

alpine plover
#

you just proved my point

rare jolt
#

So your example is the literal ONE time he finally decided to be good again

fallen patrol
#

He murdered therefore he'd stand and watch someone get SAd!

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Dumb fucking argument

fallen patrol
alpine plover
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we don't know that Vader would allow SA

fallen patrol
#

Good boy

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I'm happy now

alpine plover
#

either way Theory's argument is stupid

rare jolt
#

Vader would never allow evil to go on

fallen patrol
#

For sure

alpine plover
#

and misses the point that the show is trying to make

fallen patrol
rare jolt
#

He would have stopped the death Star from blowing up billions because he's not a bad guy

fallen patrol
#

Nope

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Not even close

alpine plover
#

he is the one minimising SA by making a joke out of it

copper spade
#

Dont most criminals beat up sa criminals?

fallen patrol
#

It's a different level of crime

copper spade
#

Yeah

alpine plover
#

just the whole tweet is ridiculous

fallen patrol
#

SWT takes are always hilarious

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I just want it made fun of for the real reasons

alpine plover
#

I don't want SA in Star Wars, but talking about it the way he does is not cool.

copper spade
#

And its not like empire is condoning sa, its certain individuals

fallen patrol
#

The empire just creates the conditions where it could happen and isn't there to see it

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Probably don't care either as long as they get results

copper spade
#

Its the same if some politician commits it. Doesnt mean the entire government is full of SAers

alpine plover
rare jolt
#

There is a legitimate discussion on whether something like should or shouldn't be in Star wars but unfortunately the discussion is highjacked entirely by "Vader wouldn't allow it"

fallen patrol
#

It's not anymore now that we've admitted it's unknown

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It has always been in star wars anyway

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ROTJ Leia is a sexual slave

copper spade
#

Also, the dinner between Syril, his mother and Dedra is so awkward, my god

fallen patrol
copper spade
#

Also Dedra and Syril best ship

fallen patrol
#

Pro incel propaganda

copper spade
#

Lmao

rare jolt
copper spade
fallen patrol
#

These answers will enlighten you

alpine plover
rare jolt
#

"Should kids be watching rotj"

fallen patrol
#

I find it very telling you both avoided the question

rare jolt
#

Do you honestly believe rotj wasn't made with children in mind?

fallen patrol
#

Congratulations sheev

#

You have arrived at my point

copper spade
alpine plover
#

Yes, it was made with children in mind. Lucas has said so. That doesn't mean there aren't more adult themes in it.

fallen patrol
#

ROTJ is for the whole family.
Andor is only for mature adults.

One has to imply SA, one can show it for more gravitas

alpine plover
#

yup

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bingo

rare jolt
#

The question is why have something like explicit sa in Star wars to begin with

fallen patrol
#

Don't say yup like you weren't desperately trying to disagree

alpine plover
fallen patrol
rare jolt
#

He already has that

fallen patrol
#

even closer

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Why must I keep repeating myself

rare jolt
#

So pointless

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Hes already fully committed

alpine plover
#

Bix is 100% going to fight the Empire harder

fallen patrol
#

we don't know yet

#

Jfc

alpine plover
#

she's been tortured, attacked, lost several loved ones, and so much more

rare jolt
#

The entire point of season 1 is him becoming fully onboard with the rebellion

fallen patrol
#

Dude it's a fucking example

alpine plover
#

indeed

fallen patrol
#

Holy fucking fuck

alpine plover
#

ok

copper spade
fallen patrol
#

I'm not a writer and I hope I never am, I'm giving examples of how it could lead to something

rare jolt
#

What would it lead to

fallen patrol
alpine plover
fallen patrol
copper spade
#

Whose thighs?

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What

fallen patrol
#

Cyrils

alpine plover
#

lol

copper spade
fallen patrol
#

Point is, people whining about things being "pointless" when only 3 out of 12 episodes are out are dead wrong

rare jolt
#

The worst part is the beginning of the episode with Bixs nightmare was a much better way of doing it

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Instead of making an uncomfortable action scene

fallen patrol
#

If I judged Season 1 from the first 3 episodes, I'd think Andor was pretty okay

#

Glad I didn't do that

rare jolt
#

Who is judging the entire season

fallen patrol
#

I mean how can you make the arguments of pointless if not saying the rest of the season won't capitalize on it

#

That is the implications

safe steeple
fallen patrol
#

I treat them as separate entities as Vader can get away with a lot if he pops his lid

safe steeple
#

Vader doesn't have the time or patience to root out that shit from the military, sure he deals with incompetence and stuff personally a few times but he's not the kind of guy to petition to the military and naval council to root out this kind of thing

rare jolt
#

The bigger issue is that people have a real hard time understanding that Darth Vader from the OT is a completely different character than the character of Anakin Skywalker that was written years later

fallen patrol
#

Kinda

rare jolt
#

Hell Anakin in the movies is a completely different character than TCW Anakin

fallen patrol
#

That's not how storytelling works though

safe steeple
fallen patrol
#

Also more simply, Vader wasn't there

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Tf is he gonna do

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Not even in the same system

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I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the officer wouldn't do this if his boss was watching

rare jolt
#

It is because now comic book writers have to struggle writing Darth Vader with not only prequel movies in mind but TCW so thats 3 completely different characters having to be one which leads to incredibly inconsistent stories with worse continuity than old legends

fallen patrol
#

No not really

rare jolt
#

Yes really

safe steeple
#

Yeah, you're on your best behaviour when your command is in system, but when you're alone with no one watching over you, who tf is gonna know? It's not like the victims would be taken seriously

rare jolt
#

Half of Disneys EU is retconned

#

Already

fallen patrol
#

They've always been the same person. Even the movies present the idea that he was always anakin but repressing it so that he could justify his actions

rare jolt
#

Darth Vader in the OT is not holding anything back and is evil as sin

fallen patrol
#

It's wild

rare jolt
#

His character was written to be evil bad guy before the concept of him being Anakin was even a thing

fallen patrol
#

Bro must've been on his phone during ROTJ

#

I have to keep bringing it up

safe steeple
#

more of a "Anakin as a concept wasn't a thing in A New Hope"

fallen patrol
#

Yeah George knew like nothing about anakin at that stage lol

rare jolt
#

Again you keep bringing up his redemption

fallen patrol
#

Do you imply nothing from Vader standing there with his cold cold eyes questioning everything

rare jolt
fallen patrol
#

Do you imply nothing from how he acts once he finally dropped his own façade

rare jolt
#

It wasn't a facade until Luke was introduced that's the entire point

fallen patrol
#

I don't buy that at all

rare jolt
#

The idea of Vader actually being a good guy deep inside wasn't a thing until years later

fallen patrol
#

I never said good guy

rare jolt
#

The whole point of rotj was Luke bringing one of the most evil men back to light

fallen patrol
#

So you admit it's the same guy

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Good to know

rare jolt
#

No because both prequel Anakin and TCW were written as if it was a completely different character

fallen patrol
#

You keep saying written

rare jolt
#

...

fallen patrol
#

Why does the writing room matter when it's finished now

#

This is what we have

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They are the same person

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All these things happened

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They combine

rare jolt
#

Because there's a thing called the script

safe steeple
#

I doubt even Tarkin would allow this sort of thing were he to witness it. "It's uncouth and unprofessional. Report to Station 17 for retraining."
But that doesn't mean it can't happen

fallen patrol
rare jolt
#

And you know how a script is made

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It's written

fallen patrol
rare jolt
#

Because the character of canon Anakin/Darth Vader is an incredibly inconsistent character

fallen patrol
#

I guess people aren't allowed to change or be inconsistent to their own values

rare jolt
#

Because they made 2 different characters and are saying it's the same person

fallen patrol
#

That would never happen ig

#

Movie anakin can absolutely fit in to TCW anakin, it's slightly awkward I won't deny that, but it absolutely can be the same person

rare jolt
#

They're 2 completely different people

fallen patrol
#

At this point, agree to disagree

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♻

rare jolt
#

Im not saying you can't like it but to pretend it's consistent is a bad faith argument

fallen patrol
#

Nope

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Nor did I say consistent, so that's bad faith in itself

safe steeple
#

idk i am personally very inconsistent

fallen patrol
#

A lot of people can be. It's a part of the human experience

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You're meant to infer that much when combining all the moments to create an image of one person in your head. All the pieces are often important

copper spade
#

Ok I think you guys have argued enough against SA

#

Lets argue for SA

fallen patrol
#

BRUH!

copper spade
#

/s

rare jolt
copper spade
#

What

safe steeple
#

we've seen anakin over the span of a good 30 years from AOTC to ROTJ, through which a devastating war and years of suffering occurred
of course he'll change

fallen patrol
#

Where do you consume star wars takes

rare jolt
#

People arguing for it

copper spade
#

Twitter users?

fallen patrol
#

Cuz it sounds like twitter yep

copper spade
#

Cuz uhhh

#

What

fallen patrol
rare jolt
#

Mainly people defending the scene going a bit too far

safe steeple
#

I nearly skipped the scene personally, but hearing this uproar about it is insane
We shouldn't erase this kind of thing to uphold the clean "Muh star war vader anakin" shit

copper spade
#

I srr

#

See*

fallen patrol
#

That's against

rare jolt
safe steeple
#

fuck

fallen patrol
#

Ohhhhhhh I see what you meant now

#

Jesus

rare jolt
#

Yeah

copper spade
#

Twitter moment

fallen patrol
#

Twitter takes aren't real human takes so I never go there

rare jolt
#

Unfortunately Twitter users flooding other formats now

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Other discord servers

fallen patrol
#

If I got banned or this server disappeared, I'd probably never talk about star wars again

copper spade
#

Twitter is just dead internet theory taken form

rare jolt
#

I mean I left this server since then end of Mando season 2 lol

#

I only now just came back

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And not even for Andor mainly because of zero company

copper spade
fallen patrol
#

This server >>> just about any other form of communicating with star wars fans

safe steeple
#

the scene isn't even a particularly creepy scene. it's uncomfortable, yes, but it's not fuckin glorifying the thing. it's a bad man, doing a bad thing, and getting instant karma
SW may be science fantasy opera, but it's always had a relatable tone to it "Hey, the Empire is a little like a combo of the Nazis and the US during vietnam!" like you can relate a lot of the stories and nations to real-world equivalents

fallen patrol
safe steeple
rare jolt
#

I used to be in this server all the time lol

fallen patrol
safe steeple
#

FractalSponge is in it lmao

fallen patrol
#

Good times

rare jolt
#

I literally only stayed in this server because I was here for years

copper spade
fallen patrol
copper spade
#

Imagine arguing with a bunch of Soaygers

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A nightmare without end

rare jolt
#

Nah Im glad sentiment towards rebels these days is more negative than positive so I won in the end

fallen patrol
#

Ive been talking with my cousin about star wars again cuz he's getting back in to it and he said "Vader needs his own show" and I had PTSD to being in no mans land

fallen patrol
#

Nobody watched rebels tbh lol

safe steeple
fallen patrol
#

Ah, not for me personally. I love a wide variety

#

Glad you have one though

#

W

safe steeple
rare jolt
#

Whether you defend the SA scene in Andor or are against it, it definitely has a negative impact overall simply because of the discourse that came out of it

copper spade
safe steeple
rare jolt
#

Not to mention brought out a ton of weirdos

#

These are Star Wars fans we are talking about

fallen patrol
#

There was always gonna be people crying about this season

#

They had gave Andor too much respect

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"wait we're meant to hate everything wtf"

copper spade
#

Lmao

rare jolt
#

Which is a shame because there's stuff worth talking about this season and it's all overshadowed by controversy

copper spade
#

They forgot their agenda

rare jolt
#

Hopefully new episodes are good enough to put that in the past

fallen patrol
#

The stuff he wants to talk about:

THOSE REBELS ARE SO DOG SHIT AHHHH DOG SHIT DOG SHIT ITS SO FUCKING TERRIBLE AAAAAA

copper spade
#

Even the new tie fighter cant compete

rare jolt
#

That's one thing but yeah Dedra was my favorite character in season 1

fallen patrol
copper spade
#

Carter why do you not like the ship

rare jolt
#

I honestly think she's the best character Disney Star Wars has ever made including TCW

fallen patrol
#

Because I have never hated a star wars character more than Cyril

safe steeple
#

I liked the Lord of the Flies subplot

fallen patrol
#

Every second he is on screen is a second I could've spent with someone else

copper spade
#

I like him

rare jolt
#

If it was just one episode I would have tolerated it a lot more

safe steeple
copper spade
#

A dedicated and precise young man

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With mommy issues

fallen patrol
#

GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS CYRIL

#

JESUSSSSS

rare jolt
#

Mother you're dripping

copper spade
#

Mother in question

fallen patrol
#

Immature writing in the most mature star wars project ever made

#

AAAAAAA

safe steeple
copper spade
#

LMAO

rare jolt
#

I thought you liked rebel arc

safe steeple
#

I liked almost 100% of the first 3 episodes

fallen patrol
safe steeple
rare jolt
#

Krennic part was best part of the season so far

fallen patrol
#

Bro showed up to his years old role and immediately slid back in to place

#

W actor as always

rare jolt
#

In this case a good scene immediately followed by a bad scene makes the bad scene even worse

fallen patrol
#

Probably why I despise Cyril so much

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Taking me away from mothma

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Mothma Kino

rare jolt
#

I honestly liked the dinner cringe more than the playground rebels

fallen patrol
#

I liked dedras part in it

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The rest was horse shit

rare jolt
#

I can't stand Disney making rebels incompetent idiots 99% of the time

safe steeple
#

The only thing I don't really like is the TIE Avenger, it's practically sacrilege to me

fallen patrol
#

You keep saying rebels when they need more disclaimers

#

You wouldn't refer to saws bunch as "the rebels"

rare jolt
#

They are called a rebel cell

fallen patrol
#

Correct

rare jolt
#

So yes they're rebels

safe steeple
#

maya pei brigade :)

fallen patrol
#

Once again I'm left wondering why the guy who is desperate for nuance has none

rare jolt
#

You can show incompetence without making them blathering idiots

fallen patrol
#

they were only blathering at the start imo

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It quickly got serious

rare jolt
#

The entire time

fallen patrol
#

Nah you just decided before you finished watching

rare jolt
#

Mfw they literally ended the arc with them losing because they were playing rock paper scissors

copper spade
fallen patrol
#

^

#

They're basically tribesmen with guns lol

copper spade
#

Literally strated so solve things with fuckin rock paper scissors

rare jolt
#

Can we get some rebels that are actually cool for once

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Just once

fallen patrol
#

3 out of 12

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Season 1 had plenty

#

Stop whining

safe steeple
# rare jolt You can show incompetence without making them blathering idiots

I do think they could've handled the situation with Porko better, but like... These are radicalized young humans, probably barely have training other than "can you hit that rock? yes? welcome to the team"
They don't have a source of food or water, and are stuck in a hostile jungle with no escape. What else would they do? Especially when differences in the group without a unitary anchor (maya pei) causes a schism

fallen patrol
#

Doesn't matter, he won't see your logic

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He already decided

safe steeple
#

They're too hungry and thirsty to think properly

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And probably aren't rested very well either

fallen patrol
#

No but you see every person in the rebellion at all times should be competent

rare jolt
#

Mfw I ask for one scene of smart rebels

fallen patrol
#

S1

#

3 out of 12

safe steeple
#

We're barely into the second season

fallen patrol
#

I think they serve for a great example as to how you or me would handle being in a rebel cell, because the empire shouldn't be so easy to rebel against. Things will get hard, and stupid people will lead because they're the loudest

radiant cove
#

I personally think vader wouldnt be ok with SA but since the empire is so large what is he supposed to do about it, sw theory is missing that point

fallen patrol
#

It serves to strengthen the empire too

safe steeple
fallen patrol
copper spade
#

We saw one group of rebels in s2 now

#

3 eps in

fallen patrol
#

Saws bunch looked hella competent, and we saw how much Luthen can get done

safe steeple
#

A galaxy-sized galaxy with an entire galaxy's worth of people, in a galaxy-sized empire

copper spade
#

Also them being on yavin IV was an interesting reveal

radiant cove
#

Most imps never even see vader hes like a myth why would they be scared of him

safe steeple
#

Too many people think too small in the context of SW

copper spade
#

Yeah

fallen patrol
rare jolt
#

It was completely irrelevant to the plot

fallen patrol
#

3 of 12

safe steeple
copper spade
#

Maybe Mon will somehow find her way there or sumdin?

#

Considering we saw her there in Rogue One

rare jolt
#

They could have skipped that entire arc and nothing would change

fallen patrol
#

3 out of 12

safe steeple
#

We don't even know if these rebels show up or are mentioned later in the season
"irrelevant" my ass, we can't see the future

rare jolt
#

He was going to Yavin 4 regardless having a random sidequest there changes nothing

fallen patrol
#

3

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Out

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Of

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12

rare jolt
#

That doesn't matter

radiant cove
#

How

fallen patrol
#

Convenient

rare jolt
#

He was going to Yavin 4 to exchange with porko

safe steeple
#

It's relevant to the narrative because it shows just how secular so many rebel cells are

safe steeple
fallen patrol
#

I personally love the contrast between the extremely organised Yavin base from the movies, and seeing that rebel cells can sometimes be incompetent due to the challenge of it all

safe steeple
#

A roadblock is relevant to the story when it prevents the protagonist from getting to point B

rare jolt
#

It's just rehashing stuff that the first season already established

fallen patrol
#

Exploring*

safe steeple
fallen patrol
#

How can it be different yet rehashing

#

Bro wants the cake and to eat it

rare jolt
#

???

safe steeple
#

"What? He just delivers the thing to Point B without any trouble on the way? Not very satisfying."

copper spade
rare jolt
#

Literally anything else could have happened

safe steeple
copper spade
#

This group was basically children without a guardian

fallen patrol
#

Yeah he wanted them to drop the plot thread at the first episode despite the entire process being treated as 4 movies in 3 episodes blocks

#

Been that way since s1

safe steeple
#

I don't see you in Gilroy's writing room

radiant cove
copper spade
#

Kingdom of the flies, but the kids are fuckin stupid kinda stuff

safe steeple
fallen patrol
#

Praise Mothma

rare jolt
# safe steeple Ok like what

Expand the infiltration to steal the TIE avenger and make a bigger emphasis on Cassian having to choose between following orders from Luthen or saving his friends

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Like I said anything

copper spade
rare jolt
#

Not really

copper spade
#

Oh

#

Perhaps I misremembered

rare jolt
#

They were just children

copper spade
#

Still

#

Bold of you to assume my memory would serve me well

copper spade
#

Did the discussion just stop or is my discord bugging

#

Nah, yall just stopped

fallen patrol
restive wharf
flat fractal
#

I feel like you guys need to rewatch the convo between saw and Luthen in season 1

alpine plover
#

đŸ„ł

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(Theory video on Andor)

restive wharf
#

Lmfao

fallen patrol
restive wharf
#

(He's not covering it anymore)

fallen patrol
#

Bahahaha

#

He can't find good enough bullshit and hates getting called out for it

#

That's my guess

alpine plover
#

same

stark falcon
#

At least he’s finally giving up on trying to bash it for the sake of it

alpine plover
#

thank goodness

stark falcon
#

The tables have turned on him

alpine plover
restive wharf
#

I am not going to that fucking subreddit

#

Hello no

alpine plover
#

talking about how they are frustrated with his takes recently

stark falcon
#

Damn bro is losing bitches that’s crazy

flat fractal
flat fractal
#

I feel like syril gets mischaracterised

fallen patrol
flat fractal
#

He's treated as this incel archetype

#

I do think he lacks boundaries

#

Like how he followed dedra around and how he let's his mother walk allover him

#

I need to read more I'm struggling to collect my thoughts together

#

He seems infatuated with power

#

Whether he has it or submits to it

fallen patrol
#

Ask me

#

I think he's pro incel propaganda

fallen patrol
flat fractal
#

But it depends who's fault it

#

I think it'll be his fault

flat fractal
#

I'm not sure what the line of command is in the empire and where they're placed

#

I know it's branched out

fallen patrol
#

Why is she now simping for him

fallen patrol
#

Cyril is more like a senior data investigator

flat fractal
#

That dynamic is weird enough as is

#

But then throw in the girl falls in love with her stalker it's just really uncomfortable

fallen patrol
#

Yes exactly. I'm going to give them the season to make it make more sense

#

But I also wanna whine rn cuz I'm very anti Cyril

flat fractal
#

I did really like their scene though

#

I know it's a commentary on power dynamics

fallen patrol
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I really enjoyed dedras disassembly of her I admit

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Great character writing for dedra

flat fractal
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Her fake smiling in the mirror 😭

jagged dragon
stark falcon
tired brook
primal horizon
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also

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ghorman is literally just space french