Neito Monoma

[cedar dune]

Just had a match, Monoma was spamming his gamma to be invincible all the time

[dry aurora]

Might aswell turn on my gamma then pop a team heal oh it’s so hard wow

Just make him lose his quirks that’s literally. It.

[cedar dune]

It's so stupid

[amber gazelle]

or you can just keep following him till it runs out

[amber gazelle]

I mean it's stupid but you can also just burn through it

[cedar dune]

Yeah sure and then he can just reset his cooldowns

[amber gazelle]

his SA does have an endpoint

[cedar dune]

That is what he was doing

[dry aurora]

Yep just follow me as I team heal in your face or at any time suddenly go into the floor because hey, I have mirios beta

[cedar dune]

Am I talking to a wall

Yes his SA can end

[dry aurora]

And end point 50 years of using it

Then once it’s done it comes back in 6 seconds 🔥 🔥 🔥

[amber gazelle]

Can you clip it?

[dry aurora]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[amber gazelle]

Because as absurd as his cooldown refresh I believe with the multiple characters I play it wouldn't be that bad

[amber gazelle]

oh you're switch

explains it a bit

[dry aurora]

I’m on Xbox and Playstation and switch

I just got that switch clip because it’s easy to get 1 second

[amber gazelle]

Anyway I've said my piece and we're talking in circles

[dry aurora]

Here’s a PS5 screen shot

[amber gazelle]

For better or for worse Bandai aren't going to do that drastic a nerfs to him for a few seasons anyway

[dry aurora]

It could be next season

[amber gazelle]

cool

[dry aurora]

And they’ll probably actually butcher him

[amber gazelle]

Hawks wasn't nerfed for 2 seasons

how long you been playing

[dry aurora]

Does that “explain a bit”

[dry aurora]

Cool

[amber gazelle]

I mean it's not really that impressive

[dry aurora]

Hawks isn’t Monoma

[amber gazelle]

console gamers vs console gamers

did you think that was a flex lol

[amber gazelle]

Prime Hawks was better than Monoma

[dry aurora]

I’m just responding to “oh you’re switch”

[amber gazelle]

now how long have you been playing

[dry aurora]

I am not just switch

[dry aurora]

S1

[amber gazelle]

then you're a former hawks player or dipped during s7

[dry aurora]

That a flex

[amber gazelle]

lol

[dry aurora]

What does hawks have anything to do with Monoma

[amber gazelle]

"Hawks isn't Monoma"

[dry aurora]

Yeah he isn’t

They hard nerfed overhaul the season after him

There an example

[amber gazelle]

they didn't hard nerf him

they fixed his bugged gamma

then slightly nerfed his beta and alpha later

[dry aurora]

They greatly increase his special and decreased his alpha by a chunk it was sizable

They also hard nerfed nejire after her launch

They hard nerf characters

And it’s very likely they will do to Monoma when all they should do is make him lose quirks

That’s not gonna kill a character

[amber gazelle]

Nerfs won't kill any character

people still played strike shigaraki before his buffs

[dry aurora]

Then what is your point

[amber gazelle]

I'm talking from a player usage standpoint

[dry aurora]

Just make him lose quirks that’s literally it

[amber gazelle]

My problem is you're demanding these nerfs from thereoticals that you yourself haven't even seen or experienced

If that's a hot take then so be it

[dry aurora]

Ofcource I’ve seen and experienced I played him and fought against him

[amber gazelle]

You should not be asking for nerfs based on things that haven't actually been done

Now like I said before we've been talking in circles so I'm basically already done talking about this

[dry aurora]

He can be every single person in the game, and stay as them forever if any character is strong, even though yes they lose special that’s insane

[amber gazelle]

So that's that

you are literally just repeating yourself

I'm stopping now

[dry aurora]

Ain’t it ironic that you repeated yourself saying “you’ve repeated yourself”

Make Monoma lose quirks

It won’t kill his fun. Of anything encourage it. Hopefully they only do that and not actually butcher him

[amber gazelle]

can you not ping me please

[dry aurora]

I pinged you in a message you made less then a minute ago in a closing statement

But sure if it hurts that bad

[amber gazelle]

pinged me for a primary school joke

thanks.

[proper halo]

https://d.vxtwitter.com/brokn8548/status/1938644189173932320?t=-M-r3GIdCDgaMmwltDS6Lg&s=19

[cedar dune]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[gleaming harness]

So... Someone found something with Strike Kendo's Beta.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeroUltraRumble/comments/1lpuap6/new_insane_monoma_tech_with_kendo_quirkslingshot/

Since you can cancel Kendo's Beta dash and keep the percentage into Gamma, you can do Kendo Beta to do some trippy movement... Or just sling yourself half way across the map in 3 seconds using Catastrophe Shiggy Gamma.

We're gonna suffer

[spring nimbus]

Yes, it’s probably the funnest thing I’ve ever done in this game😂

If you use overhaul gamma, you slide across the floor, pretty funny

[cedar dune]

Crazy momentum

[amber gazelle]

yeah quite fun when you can actually find a yellow shig to get their gamma from

[amber gazelle]

me whenever I have the perfect quirk setup and im super focused then my sa runs out without me realising and i lose one of my quirks

https://tenor.com/view/mad-boku-no-hero-academia-gif-23944710

[spring nimbus]

Real😂

[lost zephyr]

What is this

I quit

[cedar dune]

Yeah bro

Tired of this CC

[amber gazelle]

Not that bad I don’t think but will need to test further

Seen some clips of strike kendo beta into tech Dabi gamma but eh

[stuck fjord]

I love that i can play any skillset without rolling for it :³

i wish i could use kendo gamma and Iidas's gamma at the same time thoe

[dry aurora]

Frrrrrrr

[proper halo]

monoma whenever they see a compress

(free alpha + gamma spam)

[cedar dune]

Yeah unfortunately

[dim wraith]

Been loving loving monoma. So I did this🫣

[dense chasm]

This is fire 👍

[dim wraith]

Thank you

[dense chasm]

Np!

[sharp ledge]

Bro you cooked

[dim wraith]

Thank you 🙏🏾

[proper halo]

I think Monoma is just a character that had a infinite skill ceiling

but a pretty mediocre skill floor

He can be insanely OP if the person set his morals aside and just SPAM the HECK out of the strongest quirk combination

But only if the monoma knows what quirk to prioritize and what situation to use them

He's not "on the go easy" for player who just got him like prime hawks

He really need a braindead ability to pop off

[proper halo]

thoughts?

[amber gazelle]

most valuable for Monoma?

bad in that case

[proper halo]

elaborate (quirk stealing priority)

ok just a heads up

these are quirks that do strong individually (non-combo-wise)

the higher the tier is, the easier you win with braindead spam

[amber gazelle]

MT Lady Beta and Gamma are pretty good when you know how to combo them since you can beta gamma alpha gamma
Nejire Alpha is decent/good
AFO Alpha is absolutely not D tier either
Neither is endeavour’s Alpha or allmight’s gamma

AFO Beta should also be S tier since it’s easy to use when it’s not on someone as slow as AFO and you can combo into it easily

Dabi Gamma should also be S tier since it buffs your damage

[proper halo]

AFO beta require closing in the target and only got a surprise factor once

[amber gazelle]

If you’re talking about non combos then what are you even doing bro that’s the point of the character

[proper halo]

AFO alpha is pretty solid, I would put him back in C tier. But overall he needs aim

[proper halo]

some dudes just want to know what quirk to copy to play monoma most effectively

[amber gazelle]

You don’t need surprise factor dude the beta has a range of 3 compress trucks

[proper halo]

only at max level

he's basically same as aizawa gamma

except it goes thru walls

more instant

[amber gazelle]

If they want to play monoma effectively they should learn to combo

[amber gazelle]

Even at 4 it’s good but are we not counting these at max level?

[proper halo]

good point

[amber gazelle]

Kurogiri beta is not S tier then

Nor is iida gamma

[proper halo]

?

[amber gazelle]

If we’re,counting lvl 1

[proper halo]

k

[amber gazelle]

Compress Alpha goes down to d tier

[proper halo]

I already agreed

[amber gazelle]

Well you asked for my thoughts, there they are

[proper halo]

endeavour alpha and all might gamma just ain't effective enough for a fight

mt lady beta and gamma is only good if you have a good alpha

[amber gazelle]

all might gamma is more about utility

Endeavour Alpha is good if you can hit shots so

[proper halo]

but he exposes himself easily during the end of the gamma

which is not a great escape tool

[amber gazelle]

not really

But I’m not gonna argue too much since this tier list is not combo based

[proper halo]

mt lady beta usually combos with mt lady melee

[proper halo]

yup

[amber gazelle]

So if they want to use the quirks on their own then whatever

[proper halo]

it's just "if you can spam an ability" which one would be the best to do so

[amber gazelle]

Players playing him like that will just move onto the next op character when he gets nerfed

[proper halo]

they are already moving on

[amber gazelle]

Because they don’t want to put in the time to learning a character

[amber gazelle]

Strike kendo is OP but not OP as Momoma

Monoma can literally Tod you from halfway across the map

[proper halo]

They can't even play Monoma if they don't learn the basics

[proper halo]

the fact that they asked for this tier list meant that they either play the most OP character and nothing else (tunnel vision), or that they're not even good enough or experienced to know what ability is the most powerful if they had unlimited cooldown

[proper halo]

I would like to see a tierlist for combo

[amber gazelle]

cba to make one

And some placements would be the same anyway

[proper halo]

cba?

[amber gazelle]

Look it up

If I say it here my message gets removed

[proper halo]

i'm more surprised it exist

[amber gazelle]

your surprised acronym slang exists

[proper halo]

shocked?

idk what even to say

[amber gazelle]

alright

[cedar dune]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8rhEn6ODJ0w?si=izq5oDGsLBOkHSnC

[amber gazelle]

strike card moment

[cedar dune]

Even without it, you're dealing crazy damage

[dry aurora]

So if kendo betas in front of you

You get to grab her twice? Neat

[strong ore]

Since we're probably half a month on Monoma (i didn't count)

What map did yall perfer with Monoma

[dim wraith]

Anything but chaos I get off the game when that map rolls around

[sharp ledge]

I agree but people just complain and said he’s just busted but you can also be hella skilled with him

[dim wraith]

Yeah he definitely takes skill. It’s taking me the whole season to learn him and I’m still not very comfortable with him like I am with my other main rapidgo. Anybody can cd reset, the real skill lies in incorporating all the quirks together

It shouldn’t be taking me this long to get comfortable with a character but it is with monoma. I thought rapidgo was difficult at first but monoma is far harder😭

[sharp ledge]

finding combos in training mode is so fun with monoma

his combo game is insane

nice combo I found

[dim wraith]

I just had tech denki alpha, beta, & strike denki gamma it was amazing😭

[carmine badger]

Eh close enough

Hello mirio 2.0

[pulsar monolith]

Anddoyoumindexplainingwhatsrightandwrongtome?

[queen reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1314765957905911878/1349470242883244112/tools.overlay.gif

[proper halo]

there's been a severe lack of Monoma in the lobbies lately

[dim wraith]

I’ve noticed that too. If the character not crazy strong they don’t last long after the “honeymoon phase” or whatever you want to call it. Like look at all the other characters that you see multiple in a lobby strike kiri, assault ochaco,rapid toga, think strike kendo will be here for the long run, strike shigarki, strike todoroki, thing that all those characters have in mind is they are really strong. Like the community says monoma is “broken” cause of the cd reset which is definitely broken but I only see them using when running away. Besides the monoma takes skill managing all his quirks making sure they mesh together while keeping your flow of the game going. Characters like aizawa, rapid bakugo I don’t see them in my lobbies often I think because they take skill. But when I do see them they do great. I think if monoma gets adjusted next season so he can’t do cd reset you’ll rarely see him in the lobbies anymore

[proper halo]

real, most people pick him up was hoping to play with half the brain turned off, only to realize this character need proper knowledge of every character to play well

[dim wraith]

Seriously I thought since toga was my first main I could just pick up monoma noooo it’s a totally different ball game. Took me all season to get comfortable with him not going to say I’ve mastered him quiet yet but I can leave with 3+ kos if I don’t get 3rd partied lol

[amber gazelle]

I think there’s some pretty easy combos you can do with him

Compress alpha into strike todo beta with iida gamma is pretty easy for example

Or iida gamma with rapid allmight alpha

but in certain scenarios I also think his floatiness is a liability

makes him kinda more easy to hit

I do agree once cooldown reset gets fixed less people will play him

[proper halo]

it just needs to have a compress on the lobby for him to get strong

[dim wraith]

My favorite is anything that stuns them momentarily miro alpha into assault almight beta, strike dabi beta, tech denki beta into rapid all might gamma

[proper halo]

outside of that, I don't know any other brain dead alphas

so at that point, might as well play compress himself

Monoma is basically for high skill player who knows the in-and-out of each characters

which he can exploit to the fullest

[dim wraith]

Seriously I hate floaty characters reason I never played with ochaco or all might. But monoma my fav character in the anime so I don’t have a choice lol

[amber gazelle]

Well Ochaco is good cause you can choose to be floaty or not

All might isn’t that floaty either

[amber gazelle]

They’re quite common

[proper halo]

not common enough for every game

[amber gazelle]

Well that’s why you have more than one combination

Aizawa gamma into Aizawa alpha into strike todo beta

kurogiri portal x3 + any low knockdown alpha or strong beta

[proper halo]

yeah, but he's like the best alpha for monoma to copy

Cementoss being the close second

[proper halo]

there's no Aizawa in it either

monoma depends a bit on the lobby's player instead of internal strength like hawks

or Shinso

those characters can shut you down at spawn

Yes, you can find ToD combos. But most the time those character already have TOD combo themselves

[proper halo]

Overall, I think Monoma can easily pop-off by stealing the right quirk. But he really needs to get his hands on the right quirk which to some people, they don't know what makes a quirk, "the right quirk".

All they know is, a move does big damage? That's good enough

So when people who just want to play him for easy wins, it comes off surprising and off-putting when the P2W looking character requires more than surface level skill

[amber gazelle]

Not really

There’s good quirks sure but he can make pretty much anything combo together

[amber gazelle]

As long as people play meta he will always have good moves to pick from anyways

[cedar dune]

There's always meta

[smoky solar]

is monoma chat?

[spring nimbus]

I 100% agree. It’s rare to see “good” monoma’s. The ones who are using different aspects of other characters kits for a golden combination. Most monoma’s I see are running away/stalling for 80% of the match, his overtuned cd resets allowing him to do so. Another 10% just scan their teammates who’s on a meta character and essentially just play 2 of the same character the whole game with cd resets, never bothering to mix in other quirks (I despise this play style). And as you said the skill comes from being able to get a good set of quirks while keeping the game going. It wouldn’t be as bad if you just instantly look around the map for the quirks you want off spawn, but you set yourself up for shortcomings. You’ll have less lvls, heals, your teammates could be -1 in a team fight etc. There is way more skill expression in this character than ppl give him credit for. You can’t really just pick up and play him, unless you do the second play style I mentioned💀

[smoky solar]

ok but to be fair the only reason why i do the scanning thing and have 2 of the same character is bc my luck SUCKS and i can never get anyone new… sorry in advance

[fervent stream]

Real. I'm a monoma player that mixes in different quirks, but I'm still far behind . This is cause I only have like 1 or 2 quirk combinations I look for and use, meaning I limit myself. I only ever try to get lemillion's alpha, strike Shigaraki's beta, and the gamma for either Technical dabi, overhaul, or Yaoyorozu depending on whichever one I encounter first ( although I prefer Yaoyorozu's). It's better than just scanning my teammates meta characters and not mixing anything, but I'm still lacking a lot in my opinion. I want to reach a level where I can instantly determine and copy quirks that would help me the most in the situation I'm in. But to do that, I would need to learn the quirks of every other character. Which is a whole lot of stress

[rocky flicker]

I tried rapid baku gamma into shinso beta that was big damage

[proper halo]

it's true, very hard to get the best quirk on the get go especially in fights. Where you saw a with a good gamma and go "Oh I'm gonna activate my invincibility and hope that man just decides to shoot at me during a team fight"

alpha and beta is still doable since you're on the offense

[smoky solar]

dude getting gammas is so hard with him

bc i either get hit by some stupid yellow deku

like i DONT WANT UR BLACKWHIP

give me that strike kiri rock instead 🤑

[proper halo]

Unless the player you're trying to steal has an active AOE that is hard to halt, you're very unlikely to steal it

[smoky solar]

dude fr 😭

[proper halo]

every good player would know not to give their best move away to a guy literally begging for it

cause why WOULD you go gamma in a middle of a fight outside of stealing a quirk

It is so telegraphed that both party feel stupid for it

[sudden oasis]

Huh

[proper halo]

https://d.vxtwitter.com/aporo_UR_/status/1945383491019092304?t=hUNpRXP9kPD29JGly_iVvA&s=19

That Monoma know what he is doing

@amber gazelle @north wren

I think that we found the best basic combination for monoma

[amber gazelle]

Red kiri alpha into kendo shield?

That should have knockdown

[bold silo]

it doesnt.

😂

its actually funny to watch

[cedar dune]

Wth

[north wren]

If you notice, the enemy is never bouncing. They're just being staggered in place.
He's only hitting the enemy with the first part of Strike Kiri's alpha. Kiri can't do this because when he cancels into his beta, he'd have to roll out of it, which would take too long. With Kendo's beta, you can simply drop it, which means you can repeatedly cancel Kiri's alpha into beta without ever doing the second hit.
It's likely that most of the down power on Strike Kiri's alpha is in the second hit, the one that makes the enemy bounce.

[proper halo]

That's why it's a overpowered tech

Regardless of nerf potential or not

The Monoma design outside of infinite reload is too much potential

Cause certain moves can be canceled given how they design strike kiri

Idk why Strike Kiri is combo designed despite spamming giant AOE and hallway sized projectile

[cedar dune]

Remember when ppl said strike kiri was bad

[amber gazelle]

couldnt really get this to work in training mode

beta and alpha couldnt swap fast enough

even if I held down a movement key

[sharp ledge]

monomas deffo skilled if u use combos

[dim wraith]

Beautiful 🤌🏾

[sharp ledge]

Ty

[proper halo]

Strike Kiri is only bad by idiots who don't do 400 damage combos

[celest owl]

Wheres the tldr when a newbie comes ask questions about mona?

[celest owl]

Wtf Bru where's the guide where the guy. Jp got it down like that?? NA monas are bootycheeks like 99/100 games im in. Or i don't notice them since my mains can kinda deal with

All yall gota do is take the top 3 heros and make a vid. Something plz wya

[celest owl]

xD i just couldn't not reply to an ochako main barging in. XDD

[proper halo]

"tldr for newbies, abandon all your morals when playing this character."

get the moves you least want to hit by and just use it as much as you can

[dim wraith]

Love when the quirks work well together 😌

[spring nimbus]

It’s easy to do if you have them against a wall, otherwise kiri alpha pushes them back slightly, messing up the timing

[amber gazelle]

I’ll try that later then, ty

[celest owl]

How important is it to use his gamma without carring what it is? Seems like a good move that seems to good to not use at the cost of losing gamma

I got 1 month to learn this guy then drop basically. He do seem fun just sad his resets is op

I saw a tierlisf for solo moves
Now let's say ur in a meta lobby (or not)

Yall got a tierlist for potential in moves?

Like I seen kendos shield lung thing, seems good.
If i had a kuro gamma for example would I bother using his actual gamma?

[cedar dune]

You're always gonna be in a meta lobby

Even if it isn't you still have the advantage

[celest owl]

Yeah im talkn premade, tourney type really. Purp dabi in those lobbies often enough but a sweat stack isnt going to a tourney with purp dabi

[cedar dune]

I would

[celest owl]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-not-that-guy-pal-gif-22046726

[celest owl]

bookmarking so i dont gota scrol

[proper halo]

:)

[sinful lotus]

Whats the best monoma jester build?

[versed fable]

i respect your dedication to the rivlray

[spring nimbus]

Many factors that play into this, can’t just give a general answer. His gamma alone is very powerful for the eye frames it gives, especially when paired with high speed, giving you free shield pops essentially. But is it worth trading out a lvl9 recipro endgame when the lida player has been long dead, most likely not. But if it’s your only option, like you’re last alive and you need those I-frames to stay in the game then ofc just take the swap. At the same time tho, if you don’t have a good gamma or one that fits into your set of quirks, just spam it for the i-frames. A very strong aspect of his kit.

I’ve been sitting on a monoma guide for a while, there’s just a lot to talk about with this character so I’ve been procrastinating it lmao

[celest owl]

Guide nice. Tyty.
You got other tier list? Like gammas you should try to keep cough cough.

[amber gazelle]

Worth noting again I don’t think that tier list is very good

Any low knockdown alpha is very good on him simply for what it can do in conjunction with other abilities

You can get an overhaul gamma off on someone and then yellow Deku Alpha them twice before they get knocked for example

kurogiri beta x3 into kendo alpha is pretty much a Tod

since kendo alpha does like 100+ dmg when you’re right next to someone

Oh just remembered that one is not for combos lol, but that’s kinda the point of this character so

Pretty obvious tip but pretty worth it to just spend time in training mode testing stuff

And have a game plan at the start of the match and go where the quirks you want land

unless your team is fighting at the start

[celest owl]

well u can do the combo tier list perchance, at least the top 10ish. ik some obvious like ochako gamma , ida gamma, afo pull. but moves that synergize in a weird way i might miss like the kendo beta into shiggy gamma

also didntk now kendo does more alpha when close tf

[cedar dune]

How didn't you know that?

It's a shotgun spread

[celest owl]

i was thining red kendo

[cedar dune]

Ohh

Makes sense

[celest owl]

ochako was like that, a bug type thing. so thought kendo might have it.

[celest owl]

i feel regarded using this dude and i do NOT want to use my brain. ima just be another mono noob

[amber gazelle]

you mained kurogiri

you had to use your brain there

building combos isnt about brain power you just need to experiment like I said

[celest owl]

i dont lol.

[plucky zenith]

So Monoma is most likely getting gutted next season. Place your bets on the nerfs.

[amber gazelle]

?

[sharp ledge]

even if his special action gets gutted he’ll still be a S tier pick cuz of the combos

[abstract rune]

Hopefully

[proper halo]

https://d.vxtwitter.com/funa248/status/1947334960802894122?t=9U78Ma5U7iabO79gT-zQVg&s=19

[sharp ledge]

monoma is heavy skill but it depends on the player ngl

[dim wraith]

They won’t give monoma players the credit tho. We all just cd reset it takes no skill🙄

[sharp ledge]

yea fr bro it’s so annoying

[cedar dune]

Well you can't blame them

☠️

Most Monoma players just spamming one move and using CD resets

[sharp ledge]

yea I agree it’s sad how skill-less they are

[rare sequoia]

Perfectly normal and balanced 😊

[amber gazelle]

tbh not quite sure how hes doing that

doesnt look to be cooldown resetting to end it

[spring nimbus]

It’s just a bug with shinso alpha in general, you can do this with shinso himself. If they don’t get the slam animation, you can just keep spamming alphas

[amber gazelle]

so not a monoma thing

well yeah not a good clip to show busted monoma is then

[proper halo]

Monoma's gamma is so bad

You really can't steal people gamma easily compared to alpha and beta

I hate it so much

Imagine needing to stand still so people can hit you

There are so many cases you can't get their gamma

A. Them running away from you

B. Focusing on a different target

C. Enemy being downed

D. Straight up not shooting you

Unless they had an automatic AOE or a giant attack, it's gonna be Hella hard to copy anything

[cedar dune]

Bro no

It isn't

Having a move that makes you fully invincible is stupid

[proper halo]

It suck so hard at stealing quirk

Utility-wise it's good

Quirk copying wise, it's garbage

[proper halo]

You rarely get to copy anyone's gamma outside of your teammate

[cedar dune]

I could say the same for compress beta

But that move actually sucks

Sucks so bad that they buffed it so much the reflected damage does too much damage

[proper halo]

Yeah, but monoma gamma is intended to copy quirks

[cedar dune]

But you do get my point right?

Now I don't have Monoma

But his gamma is a risk free move

You can even drink HP and GP during his gamma

Which I personally think he shouldn't be able to do

[dry aurora]

Ye I think they should make it cancel on actions like healing and the such because at the end of the day even if you think getting a gamma quirk is easy or not it’s a mega win win for Monoma in every scenario

Not gonna hit me? Cool this team heal looks delicious also don’t hit me while I’m running for my life either 50 ft in the air that will solve your issues

[celest owl]

Questioning everything dr heals said now 🗿 I'll let it slide though since u makn a guide

[amber gazelle]

I mean he does have a point to a degree

Yeah it being active while healing is stupid but at the same time if you have a specific build you’re not going to want to give up that gamma

[dim wraith]

This was a terrible set up I had.

[dry aurora]

I hate this game broooo NERF HIM

[proper halo]

Bro is still getting low diff'd by good players

[dry aurora]

Noobs are getting low diffed by good players

[proper halo]

People who can play a complete kit often beat people who need to kit bash

[proper halo]

True

But that's just every monoma

Rarely do I see one that actually sticks with the team

If not ever

So it's Hella easy to jump him

Would it be bad if we just nerf Monoma by reducing amount of time he can swap between two mode

Instead of removing the whole insta reload

[cedar dune]

They nerfed his hp ...

That's not what he needed

[spring glen]

Yup

That's a running thing with this game

A character is too op bc of a skill or a combo? Welp, guess we'll nerf some random aspect of them

[amber gazelle]

I mean its not a bad nerf

though he still needed his cooldown resetting fixed/nerfed

[celest owl]

Hp is always a huge nerf tbh. Redkus gone. Lemillions gone.
Monamas might be the same but prolly way more killable cuz I used to be able to kill rap ochako on cem, then 50 hp buff literally impossible.

[dim wraith]

“No skill” they say. Even tho it wasn’t really much to this one lol. Still not everybody SA spam😂

[north garden]

i thought you were tryinh to say this is skill

[dim wraith]

You play yellow shig😂

[sharp ledge]

people who say monoma is busted genuinely suck at the game he has the highest skill ceiling and forever will there are unlimited combos with him

[amber gazelle]

I mean yeah there’s no skill in your clip

[amber gazelle]

He is busted

you just said he has the highest skill ceiling

And just like Aizawa who also has a high skill ceiling

his skill floor is abysmally low

it doesn’t take much to copy compress’s alpha with a strike todoroki beta and go to town

or just cooldown refresh some busted character’s kit

[dim wraith]

You play mic & twice. That’s no skill if I ever seen it 😂😂

[amber gazelle]

Google whataboutism

And I haven't properly played twice in months

lol

my mains are aizawa and kurogiri

If everyone needed to ask you to say something we'd never get anything interesting said

Anyway I can see you're like 13 so I'll allow you to cope in peace

You could always just be a normal adult and say you'd rather it end than go in a roundabout way being obnoxious

so that's why I still think you're 13 or mentally 13.

You went looking through my profile lmao, you that desperate to own me?

Stupid names for a game doesn't make someone emotionally stunted

oof I can't imagine being that cringe

also deleted one of your messages lol

How does this all relate to monoma taking skill though

I'd probably delete my messages too if I were you

no hard feelings taken

delete them all

[dim wraith]

My point was that every monoma doesn’t have to SA spam to get a kill

[amber gazelle]

Didn't get that from your message with the clip

[dim wraith]

Idk how. I didn’t do it in the clip & I said it in the last sentence

[amber gazelle]

tbh I didn't really read that second part of your clip I guess and there's also the fact that, as you said in your first message, there was basically little skill in that clip

anyway like I said his skill ceiling is tall but his skill floor is not

a lot of combos arent that hard to figure out I think

his hp nerf at least makes his skill floor higher now though I suppose

less room for error

[dim wraith]

I’d agree. If you can get combos that flows together well sky’s the limit. But that’s where the challenging part comes in for me trying to find the quirks during the flow of the game. I had yellow kiri alpha, momo beta, yellow deku black whip. You can imagine how that went

[sharp ledge]

ngl most of the time I see people using monoma cd reset to run away rather than spam ability’s from my own experience

I feel like if they nerf his special action to hard he might drop to A tier cuz he’s 250 hp as well now

[dim wraith]

That’s been my argument in the main chat. Like yeah he runs away doing cdr it’s annoying but not a big of a deal that they are making it. Someone told me current monoma is better than s7 hawks😭😭

[sharp ledge]

they’re just crying cuz they probably died to a monoma

if we had prime hawks with prime sisterly

hawks dog walks the whole game

hawks was way worse than monoma

[amber gazelle]

I think theres a sort of argument there but I'd still disagree

hawks and his beta was just such a menace even though monoma technically has a lot of tod possibilities

I have yet to be tod'ed by a monoma

[sharp ledge]

yea because they don’t know how to play the character

[sharp ledge]

some more nice combos I found

[cedar dune]

Can some test Iida gamma and Tamaki beta

Wonder how fast you'll move

[north garden]

Yes? A skillfully character

[sharp ledge]

monoma is more skilled ngl

[north garden]

Who's gonna tell him

[sharp ledge]

nah like genuinely monoma has way more skilled combos its just ppl in game dont know how to use it

[cedar dune]

True

[north garden]

It's not people don,t know how to use it they don,t need to doing an aizawa allmight and lida combo that i admit are hard to do will do less damage than ochaco gamma and any beamer alpha. It's basically the equivalent of doing too much for less value

[sharp ledge]

this is also real majority of the combos aren’t even worth doing cuz so many skill less moves do more for less

[sudden oasis]

Best Monoma tuning

[sharp ledge]

lemme send it rq

do you have his clown outfit ?

@sudden oasis

it’s this fit if you don’t want kota finder or card dupe you can swap it for wall runner and will power

[sudden oasis]

Yes

Thx

[sudden oasis]

Can you show me the best controls for him

[sharp ledge]

best settings I just use default ngl your not gonna be using his base kit much unless you wanna do beta into beta cuz it does good damage

[sudden oasis]

Alr

So like

What do I level first

[sharp ledge]

honestly it depends on you it’s either alpha or beta I go beta max cuz double beta does good dmg

[sudden oasis]

Alr

[amber gazelle]

monoma's house of horrors

may not be skillful but it is extremely fun

[sharp ledge]

if only my ranked teammates were this good

W clips

[runic pond]

250hp

I thought he should get only 200

[signal harness]

I think he should get obliterated personally

[dim wraith]

Is monoma UA costume any good?

[spring nimbus]

#community-content message

[dim wraith]

Can’t even enjoy monoma. Tamaki is everywhere . Is like I’m playing that character 🫩

[sharp ledge]

thanks goat🙏🏾

why is tamaki getting 0 hate he’s busted

[amber gazelle]

His cannon is annoying but that’s about it

He’s one of the most balanced characters since overhaul tbh

overhaul without his gamma bug anyway

otherwise since Mirio

[sharp ledge]

he is NOT balanced he has a combo that does like 300+ damage

[amber gazelle]

Are you talking about the melee combo that only works on hp?

Also a 300 damage combo is not that crazy

You are literally in the Monoma channel

[sharp ledge]

nah I think there’s a different one but his beta tracking is also crazy

actually I double checked the combo it did like 300 it’s not that bad

[amber gazelle]

What one is it

[sharp ledge]

alpha into melee m1 m2 then beta

it does 250

[amber gazelle]

Ah already knew that one

[cedar dune]

His beta is easy to dodge

It's really telegraphed

[sharp ledge]

probably one of my best combos yet

[dim wraith]

Kuro def had one of my fav abilities 😂

[sharp ledge]

W combos kurogiri beta is hella good for combos and dmg

[dim wraith]

Same yours was crazy. I need to see rapid bakugo more often tho

[amber gazelle]

Bro just completely ignored his twice dying right next to him

[sharp ledge]

Tbh it’s that twices fault for playing twice to begin with he sucks now and tamaki was also there to

[dim wraith]

If you land by yourself & I got to use all my team heals to keep you up & you steady stay by yourself . I don’t consider you a teammate anymore 😂

[dim wraith]

Monoma needs a casual costume, does that exist in the anime or manga?

[timber pelican]

It exists as a horikoshi volume extras sketch yup

[sharp ledge]

yea I really want this outfit or his s4 romeo and juliet play

[mystic nimbus]

Do you guys think Monoma is balanced?

[queen reef]

He can be. Just nerf his cooldown resets on toggle SA

[dim wraith]

I would say. Due to the amount of monomas I see in my lobbies (not many) and compared to other characters like strike kendo, kiri and a couple others

[heavy narwhal]

any good tuning build for monoma?

[dim wraith]

I like the UA track suit. Tech denki & aizawa s tuning

[heavy narwhal]

ok i cant do that but whats the other tuning beside the special ones

[dim wraith]

I want to see someone play a full game of monoma no edit, no clips, no cd reset just regular. Cause no way it’s going well. My games are so inconsistent. Feel like I’m working harder than everyone else😂😭 every other character got their go to combos. Monoma doesn’t have that due to his ability.

[amber gazelle]

lol no

[sharp ledge]

nah but once his special gets nerfed then he will be

[surreal dock]

Heck no

[spring nimbus]

Yeah, the inconsistency is real. Unless you’re queuing with a red kiri main every game or something and just using their quirks until you find a good set, then it’s definitely going to be inconsistent. Just the nature of how his ability works.

And idk what it is, every time I solo q with monoma my teammates are always on the worst possible characters😂

[slender turtle]

What is the theoretical highest damage you can do in one move

I assume it's dabi gamma + highest damage beta or alpha

[dim wraith]

Fr! Like I be running with one friend that was a lemillion main. But now he’s in love with tamaki, doesn’t help that the whole lobby is tamaki😂 and my random seems to always be a mirio. And yup seems like the lobby is filled with mirios. So it seems I’m always having one of those 2 characters quirks due to my teammates & the lobby😭

[spring nimbus]

Nah heavy on the tamaki’s. Playing monoma rn is basically just playing tamaki😂

[sharp ledge]

it’s so annoying when randoms pick tech dabi 😔

[tough lotus]

you can use any ranged beta like bakugo or endeavor to cancel the alpha. It doesn't have to be a shield like Red Kiri but Kendo and Compress also work in that way.
I have been experimenting with this for the last day

If anyone wants to be my red kiri buddy so i can farm clips with this :3

[mystic nimbus]

Imagine that + ochaco's gravity

[amber gazelle]

Tech Dabi you can make work though

[tough lotus]

I was hoping yellow ochako would have a move to give you float but no

[amber gazelle]

Pull them into one of his traps for example

Tech Dabi in general hasn’t been bad for a while now

[tough lotus]

WAIT YOU MEAN WITH A TEAMMATE

[amber gazelle]

He can spam his gamma and beta as often as a tech shoto can spam his

[tough lotus]

@mystic nimbus we can test that later lol

[mystic nimbus]

[sharp ledge]

did they remove the speed card thing with him ?

[tough lotus]

what speed card thing?

[mystic nimbus]

[dim wraith]

This was satisfying

[dim wraith]

Does anyone in here consistently play play monoma in ranked games? If so what’s your kd. I mained rapidgo before trying to make the switch to monoma & my kd had taken a major hit😭 just feels like he’s not consistent . Maybe it’s a skill issue idk😭

[spring nimbus]

Yeah, I'm at a 10 kd rn, but i have been using other characters a bit. But you likely wont get consistent high kill games, so its just as important to stay alive as it is to frag out, which is fairly easy on monoma tbf.

Like I've had multiple 15+ kill games when i get recipro and compress trucks(broken combo), but other times you just wont have that. Its just how it is

[dim wraith]

10 is insane. You can’t relate to what I’m going thru 😂😭😂

[amber pebble]

Is anyone there? I have a question, what does the special tuning on the Monoma do?

I still don't understand well, it increases the column's attributes but if I give it 80 normally, with Tuning let's say 85 then it would leave it with about 90, 95?

[warm moat]

it boosts the effect of whatever columns it's in so (fake numbers) if a red minor tuning gave +10 alpha damage, it would be +15 instead. i dont know the real numbers of tunings or fixer though

[sharp ledge]

honestly monoma is a extremely inconsistent character it depends on the quirk you’ve copied but it should get better when more seasons get added since every new character and skillset is busted

[celest owl]

How 250 hp nerf vs 3 stacks? Feel like late game zone living will be rough. Jw

[dim wraith]

You can definitely tell the difference with the 250 nerf

[celest owl]

How much more u die cause of it? Or in nerf terms, how much % "weaker" do you feel

[dim wraith]

I’m not necessarily losing my 1v1 fights. It’s the 3rd parties or if I do so happen get caught in a combo in my 1v1 I’m on deaths door due to how hard characters are hitting rn. So I die much more unfortunately

[celest owl]

Dam. Prolly the only nerf I wanted to not have b4 tourney fr. Praying for a certain skin combo. Txs for the unfortunate news

[sharp ledge]

im hoping monoma gets a new outfit the clown and UA one is getting repetitive ngl

[dim wraith]

Facts . Hopefully he gets that fantasy costume that’s on the gallery pic, a school uniform, casual idk anything else

[dim wraith]

I’ve learned my lesson. If I have the perfect gamma I’m not activating the steel to try and get a heal off😂😭

I had rapid toga gamma and I didn’t know I gotten tamaki gamma I look up to try and toga gamma away next thing ik I’m shooting a cannon to the sky😭😭 got punished for it

[celest owl]

With hp nerd id ad assume u kinda need to use gamma now

There way less monos now?

[spring nimbus]

Yeah, you basically just have to adapt each time you get a new gamma. There’s really no saving it anymore unless you’re just steamrolling a lobby

[celest owl]

Sadge. That ruins a lot for me lol. O well its for the best

Hoping less monos in tourney ig

[spring nimbus]

It’s probably just going to be ppl running doubles. Like monoma + cement, monoma + afo, monoma + lida

Depending on the map I might pull monoma out to tho ngl

[dim wraith]

That’s what I’ve noticed. Like even before the nerf he kinda died down. And I can’t blame them either lol. Why use all this brain power trying to mix & match quirks trying to find a combo. When I can just tamaki grab alpha into beta for like 200😂. If he wasn’t my fav character in the anime i would be playing rapidgo

[spice geyser]

Nah Monomas are everywhere before the nerf, hes also one of my favs in the show thats why i play him

Also uh i mean, it doesn't take much "brain power" for me to adapt on the spot 😭

any ideas for monoma tuning?

[dim wraith]

Me either but. I’m saying most characters have go to combos that’s basically muscle memory if you’ve main the character. Monoma doesn’t, gotta put them together based on the quirks you have. So that’s pretty much what I mean by “brain power”

[spice geyser]

tbh im just used to it atp lol

I do need to find better tuning for him tho

[amber pebble]

Does this apply to recharging?

[sharp ledge]

Majority of the players who play him actually hate him in the show but they use him cause he’s broken

after the initial release I don’t really see much monomas

[strong belfry]

i have joined the monoma fellas

[dim wraith]

We needs mods on console. I just seen a monoma in denki kung fu costume it looked so good 😭

[celest owl]

Where's that guide?
A gamma guide to be exact if its taking too much to get tew.

[spring nimbus]

#community-content message

[sharp ledge]

fr same with his fantasy world fit

[thorn cairn]

I'm a new monoma main got him yesterday wats the ideal character fr me to copy their alpha beta and gamma like wat characters have the best of those moves

[amber gazelle]

you want ideal characters not a singular character

since you won’t be guaranteed to have the same character in every game

[proper halo]

retiring?

[spring nimbus]

Reminder of how the twice nerf affects monoma: You can no longer cancel twice gamma with any alpha, and vice verse. However, beta cancel remains unchanged, so you can still get value out of twice gamma, just not as much.

[rigid oyster]

at least something like that still works, W yami marik pfp 💜

[magic dew]

Can. We all agree this guy good

[amber gazelle]

dude acting like this is a hot take

not like all of last season everyone had this dude in his own tier above everyone else

like no the guy who can mix every quirk in the game together with each other is super bad

high b tier

think about it

[celest owl]

Playing alot less

[spring nimbus]

What?

[celest owl]

Playing way less than i used to = retiring

[dim wraith]

Me personally I like any alpha that stuns tamaki, aizawa, shinso but not as much as the first 2. And mirio has so much potential get his alpha by any means he should be in every lobby

[thorn cairn]

Ty

[sharp ledge]

ngl monomas model when rescuing civilians looks bad and his walk animation

his back is a hunchback

[proper halo]

https://d.vxtwitter.com/saradoil/status/1952596661831655629?s=46&t=8UWt6TcM5gizwiaGwHDGgw

This is extremely wicked

[silver thorn]

LET'S SETTLE THIS TODAY

[rigid oyster]

1A 1A 1A 1A 1A 1A 1A 1AAAAAAA!

[dry aurora]

Shut up!

[dry aurora]

I’m uninstalling

[amber gazelle]

Jesus

Ibara’s gamma is just bs in general with how if you miss you don’t lose it and reloads as faster than monoma’s sa

[proper halo]

https://tenor.com/view/1a-lex-luthor-superman-nicholas-hoult-directive-gif-4999344869440911527

[rigid oyster]

1A 1A 1A 1A 1A 1A 1A 1AAAAAAA!

[dense chasm]

[celest owl]

Dabi revive spotted

[dry aurora]

Who hyped for the Monoma buffs definitely coming

[chilly stratus]

GOATED for refresh in stead of waiting for cd

[tough lotus]

Who wants to be my endeavor buddy?

[celest owl]

Mono will be nerfed prolly cause of endy

[cedar dune]

Good

[amber gazelle]

fyi if anyone didnt know

if you knock someone back on hp with mirio charged alpha

you can hit them with kendo beta before they land if you didnt go too far

[versed fable]

nerf this character to the ground

[amber gazelle]

Ochaco main

[queen reef]

Nerf Rapid Ochaco first

[rigid oyster]

she's far less threatening than monoma lol

[cedar dune]

I wouldn't say far less at all

If yknow then yknow

[rigid oyster]

gamma can be rolled, you'll see her beta from a mile away and her alpha even at level 9 has pathetic range sometimes

[sharp ledge]

I wouldn’t say far less

I would just say a little bit less threatening

[sharp ledge]

are we talking about the same rapid ochako who can TOD you with a float

she’s so busted

with S tier movement and 300 hp

[rigid oyster]

ToD if you let it happen

[sharp ledge]

90% it happens

her gammas aoe is bigger than it looks

[rigid oyster]

she does need 250 again though

#FuqRapids

[sharp ledge]

rapid ochako is the 2nd best character after monoma we need her to get gutted

[rigid oyster]

better than red kiri?

[sharp ledge]

for their types yes

rapid ochako can stun you with just one beta and just immediately end you

[rigid oyster]

guess that's heat

so my final question to boot is

[rigid oyster]

rapid ochaco or assault ochaco?

💫

does she kill herself?

[sharp ledge]

rapid ochako is way better assault ocha is good to but her alpha is rollable and slow so it’s easy to punish

[rigid oyster]

I see I see

[sharp ledge]

but monomas just in a league of his own sadly I hope they hit his special

[rigid oyster]

he’s 250, they’re probably not

[sharp ledge]

hopefully they give his 50 hp back and gut his special instead

[rigid oyster]

nvm nerf her first like you said

Iitterally I don't why that gamma is a easy team ToD for ochaco. killed me twice with that alongside a rapid toga and a endeavor. tried to do it a 3rd time and they lost. yeah give her the hammer.

[thorn cairn]

Well hello new monoma main here any advice

[amber gazelle]

Anything can be rolled

Doesn’t make it less stupid

beta into gamma essentially guarantees it

also her gamma is harder to roll as it’s more about timing and there is basically no visual clarity for when you’re suppose to dodge it

[amber gazelle]

Strike Kendo is 2nd

[rigid oyster]

yeah she catches you pretty hard than AFO or tech shoto would when you're trying to heal or check your bag

[sharp ledge]

I feel like they interchangeable

[versed fable]

i want uraraka nerfed to but ive been playing her since release when she was bugged

monoma needs a. Erf before her tho bc u can just play uraraka with monoma making her even more OP

all these fake urarakas pulling up cuz they buffed her + assault uraraka makes me sick 😔

imo add more knockdown power to her beta and gamma combo and most of the problem is solved

[amber gazelle]

dude what do you mean buffed

[versed fable]

cuz the beta stall that u can hit over and over is BS

[amber gazelle]

she has been able to do stupid tods for a year now

[versed fable]

?

Ur missing the point

i play her cuz shes my fav character

but even MORE ppl started playing her cuz her early game weakness was deleted

[celest owl]

They buffed beta size on lower lvls.

[bold silo]

Before you had to get lvl 9 for Car now its just handed out early

[sharp ledge]

yea idek where the down power goes for this team up

it’s so dumb

[amber gazelle]

To the final move

Which is why they grab just before

[sharp ledge]

oh the final hit that makes sense

[amber gazelle]

I don’t like running strike Dabi gamma on monoma tho with the hp nerf

too fragile

[sharp ledge]

yea ngl im kinda mad bout the hp nerf instead of the special action or gamma nerf

[sudden oasis]

New monoma combos you guys can try

[rigid oyster]

hopefully

[sharp ledge]

red kiri and rapid ochako and kurogiri need nerfs after monoma

[amber gazelle]

playing monoma in this meta where everyone has a shield cracking combo do feel kinda bad

you have to try retreat like 10-20 secs into a fight

[dim wraith]

And the way the 3rd parties are you’re a combo away from death

[mystic nimbus]

That's just Monoma's weakness

Someone like Rapid Toga has the same problem but she has long ability cooldowns and mid movement on top of it

[amber gazelle]

long ability cooldowns with an instant refresh

[mystic nimbus]

If you get blood and have time to transform

Monoma can cooldown refresh without having to stand still or anything

You guys have it good

[spring nimbus]

You can really feel the hp nerf ngl. 1 assault endy beta combo and you’re deleted from the game

[sharp ledge]

some players be acting like monoma is invincible and can never be killed

[halcyon gyro]

Watching you Monoma mains say that you're good is like a swordsman saying he wins every tournament, but he brings a gun to every duel.

[carmine badger]

Why do all of you do this?

Wouldn’t be more beneficial to come down and fight?

[carmine badger]

Yes, he’s like quintuple s tier but he still takes skill, some skill especially if you’re not just holding onto strongest quirks you get your hands on

A good Nerf in my opinion would to just remove all parts. He has when his special action gets reused and give him back his health after that that way, he would genuinely be a hard to play skillful character

[halcyon gyro]

Give his special action the same nerf as AFO

[carmine badger]

Sorry, I don’t know why I just had a stroke typing that, but what I was trying to say is

When he grabs his quirks and use a special action to use them when he uses special action to go back to his base kit, all of his quirks that he grabbed are removed

[carmine badger]

No, because that doesn’t really fix his problem

[halcyon gyro]

And I think his base alpha needs a nerf, too.
Make it so Monoma's alpha needs to make at least 5 points of contact to the chosen opponent in order to copy thier alpha.

Because I think if we want Monoma to take skill, it shouldn't be THAT easy to steal an Alpha.

[carmine badger]

No? I don’t know why you’re trying to make him harder to play in general, but that only just hurts the actual people trying to learn the character instead of hurting his viability.

[halcyon gyro]

And given how many annoying alphas are in the game.

[carmine badger]

He’s still just as Strong you just made him more annoying to play

[halcyon gyro]

So now you're saying that he shouldn't take skill.

Or as much skill

[carmine badger]

You should but there’s skill and there’s quality of life

I can make it to where Mirio has to aim all his uncharged alphas to do his combo, sure now it takes more skill, but that doesn’t mean it’s better for anyone involved

[halcyon gyro]

Ooo, I can buff Mirio. Make it so a charged Alpha doesn't drain one bullet until the move is actually triggered.

Because what do you mean I lost an alpha if the move hadn't even gone off yet?

[carmine badger]

That goes for most moves in this game

But I understand it

Anyways, this is the monoma channel your best off recommending that to #1242763917306888242

Or making one of those recommendation thingys

[halcyon gyro]

Yeah, my fault.

But right now, we can agree on one thing.

Monoma is going to be ruining every new character and QQS release because these braindead players will just abuse the HECK out of the moveset.

[carmine badger]

Well on one hand that’s because the qss itself is broken

But monoma on a fundamental level is a broken character

This game was not made to have different quirks on a single character

Simultaneously I mean

[halcyon gyro]

Like, I don't like Yellow Endeavor is BROKEN BROKEN. He has an AOE playstyle and he does indeed live up to that. But then there's Monoma's abusing the Gamma.

[carmine badger]

And the ones who kinda can are limited in some way

Both afo and toga can only have whatever the character they stole from bundled in

[halcyon gyro]

I think we all need to learn the difference between annoying and broken.
Annoying is only when you're up against someone who KNOWS how to use their character. Broken is if the value you get out of a character doesn't match the effort you put into getting the value.

[carmine badger]

Afo needs to kill his target and hope his target has good levels and toga is a “one time use” and is also reliant on levels

[halcyon gyro]

Like is Froppy broken? No, she's not. She only annoying if you're up against someone who learned and knows how to play her.

[carmine badger]

I am not want to talk about a character. I do not know all but so far I’m not a big fan of him.
He locks down areas very easily and is hard to deal with in most case scenarios

He’s super strong, but not super broken. It’s when you take away his cool downs like monoma does because it’s something that is normally balanced around and that’s what breaks everything

[carmine badger]

She is a death by 1000 cuts type of rapid

Her job is to be annoying

[halcyon gyro]

If anything, she's the most balanced rapid and the basis of what playstyle a rapid SHOULD have.

Hit N' Run

[carmine badger]

Technically hawks is the most balanced rapid now imo

[halcyon gyro]

That's only because they took away all his combo potential.

[carmine badger]

Has a little bit of everything, but nothing strong except his mobility in certain case scenarios

[halcyon gyro]

The last combo I can think of for Hawks is the Gamma to Alpha.

[carmine badger]

Anyways, back to the point, I was trying to make

[halcyon gyro]

Go ahead.

[carmine badger]

Monoma is inherently imbalanced and impossible to balance

This game was not made to have separate other characters quirks on one person at once

[carmine badger]

Blah blah afo and toga

And because of his genuine design being bad for the game he can only lean in 1 of 2 directions

Either insanely weak or insanely strong

Personally, against my better judgment, I think he should be the ladder

Simply, because if a character, this unique becomes weak, nobody will play him

Cause it’ll be too much trouble than it’s worth

He can only exist on one side of the spectrum and rather keep him where he is, although I’d really like if he got some more nerfs to make it more bearable

Even if I HATE facing him I still kinda like monoma

You’re not gonna really get him anywhere else

I just hope the players will actually do something cool with him that isn’t sit in the sky box and rain down large abilities

Aizawa alpha + ibara gamma is always fun to see

[halcyon gyro]

Yesss

I think the whole point of Monoma was to mix and match, to make creative combos
Ex: I saw a Monoma pull in 5 people with a AFO gamma, and merc'd them all with a Mirio beta.

But nope, every Monoma is sped

[dry aurora]

Beyond mixing and matching he should also really be encouraged to adapt in the fly

[dry aurora]

And I’m a bit iffy because other changes should be made first but I do like your mindset here. His ease of gaining quirks is an angle that could be go down by the slightest bit just to round it all off of other changes, especially since without a doubt hitting a Monoma alpha to take a quirk is probably the easiest thing in the entire game to do

I gave my long overhaul suggestions before mainly tackling those 2 topics but rn since Monoma special isn’t getting nerfed I’m very worried what they will do, and possible that they just give up and butcher him somehow with a very nasty change

HP/general defense being looked at now is one that can become drastic

[sharp ledge]

why does he need 5 touches if in the anime he just needs to touch someone

[halcyon gyro]

Let me put this perspective into you

[sharp ledge]

not really tamaki exists and he’s still an S tier pick

[halcyon gyro]

He has to touch the opponent to copy thier quirk

His alpha is a PROJECTILE move

But he still copies the opponents alpha

But it's not him whose touching the opponent. It's the projectile.

That's NOT part of him.

Makes zero sense.

[sharp ledge]

even if they nerfed that it just avoids the actual problem

his problem is his special action reload and the gauge consumption with every switch

[halcyon gyro]

And that problem is so easy to fix!

How do you think they nerfed AFO?

Do the same Special Action nerf to Monoma.

How is that up for debate?

[sharp ledge]

nah that’s to hard of a nerf

your forgetting afo has a good base kit with 400 hp to

[halcyon gyro]

The double standard is crazy

AFO's Special Action goes on cooldown when switching between stolen quirk and base set. Fair.

But if we did the same thing for Monoma, it's too much? 😨

Make it make sense

I'm giving you the CHANCE to make that make sense

[sharp ledge]

he already has 250 hp giving him a afo special reload is stupid

[halcyon gyro]

And I never said that Monoma's HP was the problem.

[sharp ledge]

either revert his hp nerf and then nerf his special

[halcyon gyro]

They didn't need to nerf that. They nerfed the wrong thing.

[halcyon gyro]

THATS WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

Let him have 300HP, whatever. I just don't frick with that special action bs.

[sharp ledge]

yea I think they need to revert the hp and nerf the special not to the level of afos just a little less and make it so you need to be on the ground to cooldown reset

and make him lose his copied quirks on every switch

so he can’t cd reset unless he copies again

[halcyon gyro]

Orrrrr make it a little more accurate to the anime

Make his special action sorta work like Toga's. Where once switching to copied quirks, it starts a timer like Toga's transformation.

And you can return to base moveset, at the cost that you lose all your copied quirks. Almost like how Toga has no blood after leaving a transformation.

An adjustment like that will ACTUALLY make him a Technical.

Because as of now, he's in his own skill class

The "I'm so good (I'm really not)" class

[sharp ledge]

ngl there are also a lot of problem characters who need nerfs besides monoma

[halcyon gyro]

Yeah

But I say nerf Monoma first since he's a huge problem with the cool down refresh.

[sharp ledge]

I mean sometimes you can catch him and TOD but that’s kinda luck based

personally I’d put monoma in 2nd best

[halcyon gyro]

Okay, onto "Assault" Ochaco because she is NOT an Assault. She's bs.

[sharp ledge]

cuz prime hawks existed

monoma is strong but he isn’t unkillable like some players in the community say

[carmine badger]

A different Nerf I thought of is if he hits a particular person with his new quirks he will still steal them but not immediately

Like I have strike Bakugo Alpha I hit a mt lady with it and the next time I swap away back to my basekit and swap back, I’ll have the mt lady alpha

[carmine badger]

In this scenario, I think ease-of-use should be left alone since It goes hand-in-hand with qol…

[dry aurora]

I severely disagree and I feel this sentiment doesn’t truly give regard to why AFO went down as far as he did

AFO has a lot more restrictions and requirements in getting his quirks, he has to find them down, he has to go up to them, and he has to hope they are solid levels. Also the fact he can’t mix and match lol

AFO’s base set is a very control heavy one and Ofcource no mobility, this set with inf ammo back then was absolutely insane because every part of his kit was significantly more deadly especially his alpha. Every bit got nerfed especially the combo potential, plus this set can 100% be a downside in terms of survivability with said lack of movement

Monoma of he knows how to use his set has significantly more control in relation to his special, and can absolutely survive the medium cooldown for special too return a pure invincibility button and a super man fly will make the difference. The player get to choose when to initiate this cool down where has many opportunities if AFO is returning he has too lol, Monoma especially with mixing and matching will not have the same problem

[dry aurora]

I don’t think it should be done drastically and I don’t think it should be the only thing done, but I do understand the alpha point is all and the other side if they really want to protect their alpha it’s possible which can make a good encounter. It’s not hard imo to hit beta for example, but hitting alpha is brain dead easy lol no dynamic

It also could have Monoma use his tool a bit more specifically or to give him slight leeway if he wants a specific alpha, then then the complete flutter sometimes lol

[tough lotus]

Don't Nerf My Goat

[amber gazelle]

Iida could do this too no though

[sharp ledge]

ppl would probably ignore the fact that Iida can do this and just complain about monoma being busted

[carmine badger]

Yeah but can he also have a compress alpha and a strike deku beta?

I didn’t think so

[carmine badger]

I get your point but the difference is monoma can do so much more with this

Free easyshinso beta’s, free skybox alphas from any character that has any semblance of long range, god forbid this man gets his hands on a strike bakugo beta

I’m making this seem like a bigger problem than it is because you can already get this height with base kit and cool down refreshing but you can see why something like this is a lot worse on him than someone like iida because one can just get so much more value from it

[sharp ledge]

true but idk how a character who can copy peoples best ability’s ever be balanced it’s pretty hard to

[carmine badger]

That’s what I’ve been saying. This character is inherently broken.

There is no way to balance monoma in a good state

He will either be absurdly broken or absurdly weak

[sharp ledge]

that’s pretty much him in the anime he changed the entirety of the outcome of s7

[sharp ledge]

he completely depends on other characters and can copy their best moves without their weakness or cooldown

[carmine badger]

More like afo and monoma swapped places

One can come really in clutch if you can get his hands on the right quirk

Any other can just do whatever they want and doesn’t go for complicated quirks because there are much easier once to get value out of

[carmine badger]

His complete dependency on other characters can be semi nullified by just having the right teammates

Now it’s just finding whatever you want afterwards

[sharp ledge]

monoma will never ever be bad cause he can copy meta characters even if he himself sucks

even though he’s really busted I feel like it could be worse

imagine he could copy special actions

[carmine badger]

To be fair, half of those are useless and the rest on “bad” characters

Also, I don’t even know how that would work outside of a weird toga like mechanic

[sharp ledge]

idk how they would balance monoma besides his special and his gamma

cause he’ll still be able to double beta into sky and spam assault endy

but his melee needs a buff it has to much down power and air melee has 0 tracking

[carmine badger]

Even without those, he’s still OP

This game just wasn’t designed to have these different abilities together

[carmine badger]

That and his HP is his only negative

In his current state, I think it’s fine to be very weak

[amber gazelle]

You can balance him to a good spot.

He already has the HP of a rapid, which is debatably a good change but regardless it helps

2. They remove his SA CD refresh, this would help massively too.

3. They stop making stupid ahh abilities for Monoma to abuse because at the end of the day these abilities are stupid on their own too

[carmine badger]

I hate this change by the way

It doesn’t hurt good monoma players, but it makes it harder on the people who aren’t as good. And makes it harder for them to learn.

[carmine badger]

That still won’t fix his core problem but yes, that will take away some of his strength

[amber gazelle]

Absolutely hurts good monoma players and reinforces a rat playstyle which is why I’m not sure it’s actually good.

[amber gazelle]

Stupid abilities are stupid abilities, stop making them broken and he stops being as big a problem.

But yes, he will always be top tier regardless

That is inherently part of his design

[carmine badger]

The difference is those abilities are fine on a character they belong with (excluding the obvious exceptions) overhauls only super strong and easy part of his kit is his gamma Monoma can just be a better overhaul

[carmine badger]

A good monoma can still get by but now the bad ones had to basically play a rapid and now struggle

[amber gazelle]

Dude all momoma plays now have to play like a rapid

A single Tamaki combo with a lvl 9 alpha guard breaks you

A Mirio and Iida combo both do around 200 dmg

an Ochaco combo dear god

And any Ibara move basically does combo damage for the price of 1 hit

And don’t get me started on if an Aizawa catches you

I can get my alpha slam up to 255 on him

😭

[carmine badger]

An ability truly become stupid depending on the circumstances

Shiggy beta is balanced by him being a grounded character and it being his only get-off-me tool

Take that ability balanced for this particular character and put it on someone else who does not abide by these laws and now it’s truly stupid

The thing is Monoma only has two weaknesses, and both aren’t even really a weakness

Those weaknesses are

one opportunity cost

And two a bad Melee

[amber gazelle]

elaborate on opportunity cost

[carmine badger]

What I mean by opportunity cost is his ability to get certain quirks is completely reliant on what everyone else is playing in a match and if he’s able to find them and get that particular quirk

Although that’s not much of a weakness because a lot of people are playing characters that have quirks that he wants

Especially if you can convince your teammates to go to one of those

[amber gazelle]

I don’t think that’s a real weakness because people will always play good characters

[carmine badger]

That’s why I said they aren’t really a weakness

[amber gazelle]

his real weaknesses are yes, the melee but also his hp combined with his floaty ness

yeah other rapids have 250hp naturally too but their moves are attuned to that

[carmine badger]

A bad melee isn’t all that bad considering the character we’re talking about here but I guess it could be better

[amber gazelle]

you can’t just go in with some strike or assault moves with 250hp and expect to tank stuff

so some moves become unviable

[carmine badger]

I hate that f-ing rat…

He hits me with one alpha and the entire lobby is doomed

[carmine badger]

Floaty???

[amber gazelle]

Staying up in the air and spamming that or endeavour’s gamma is pretty valid way to play him now

with his hp nerf

I did it earlier, was funny even if it not very skillfull

[amber gazelle]

His jump is very floaty yes

[carmine badger]

The thing is even if he goes that route he still has his base kit, which basically makes him a rapid with its mobility alone

[amber gazelle]

Like a Nejire jump but worse idk

[carmine badger]

That isn’t necessarily a bad thing to be honest

Really depends on what you’re working with that match

Grounded characters are starting to get a lot more power crept tbh…

[carmine badger]

Your valid, but I hope both sides of your pillow are warm tonight

[sharp ledge]

ngl they should revert the hp nerf and focus on actual issues on monoma

[carmine badger]

That isn’t even the end of it that’s just the one that takes the least brain power

I had a match where one got a shiggy beta, cementoss alpha and kurogiri gamma…

[sharp ledge]

he’s the only tech with 250 hp

[carmine badger]

by the end of the match, that place was a loot cave…

[sharp ledge]

there are skilled monoma players he has the highest skill ceiling but the lowest skill floor

[carmine badger]

His skill comes down to adaptability, but you don’t have to adapt

That’s why I think he should just lose his stored up quirks after swapping back to basekit

[sharp ledge]

yea I agree idk why this isn’t implemented already

in the anime when he copies a quirk he loses it after 10 minutes

unless he touches them again

[carmine badger]

If we were being anime accurate afo and monoma should swap

[sharp ledge]

I feel like monoma and afos kits are pretty lore accurate they just need a little adjusting

cause afo already has a good kit giving him a lot of quirks to would just be busted

along with 400 hp to

[amber gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-i-know-what-were-gonna-do-today-i-know-what-were-going-to-do-today-gif-27359053

Shame they removed cementoss skybasing

Woulda been useful for monoma

[amber gazelle]

and yeah the problem of saying swap Monoma and AFO sa is

AFO already has a really good base kit

top tier one honestly

his beta is absurd on its range at lvl 9

[carmine badger]

They aren’t

Monoma can only use one quirk at a time, and takes 10 seconds to swap back off to a different one

While afo can use them all simultaneously and can use them whenever he wants

The only difference is how they acquire them is pretty accurate

[carmine badger]

Overall, definitely not but for what it sets out to accomplish it’s pretty good

Thing is afo has his own drawbacks being his mobility and the only way to get good mobility is to kill someone with good mobility

That on top of being vulnerable in his skills

[sharp ledge]

the only change I would make to afo is make him able to level up stolen quirks or make the quirks he steals reliant on his base kit like monoma

[carmine badger]

~~ you didn’t hear this from me but aizawa alpha + any grab goes hard~~

[carmine badger]

Same here, honestly

Just being able to level them up, would honestly be enough for me

[amber gazelle]

nah his skill set is top tier

does need lvl 4 across the board before it gets actually pretty good but apart from that

I steal AFO’s beta all the time tho

So useful

and yeah any grab is good

Aizawa grab into assault Ochaco gamma into strike todo beta

https://tenor.com/view/imaginary-scramble-ordeal-call-van-gogh-fgo-fate-gif-7317663539992077021

[carmine badger]

I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with that

It’s an amazing skill that don’t get me wrong unlike someone like strike kendo, assault endeavor, and cementoss were they good and almost every situation afo just falls off

Also, his alpha is reeeeally weird for me

[amber gazelle]

Strike kendo falls off to any grab character

[carmine badger]

There’s like a slight delay with it

[amber gazelle]

even the Tamaki grab kills her basically

[carmine badger]

Just like

Ew

[amber gazelle]

Assault endeavour just has his beta and gamma combo

[carmine badger]

OK, but it’s more useful in most situations

Three characters counter her

[amber gazelle]

4 if counting Monoma

[carmine badger]

💔

My second least favorite character is shinso

[amber gazelle]

5 if counting ibara gamma

[carmine badger]

Because your dead to rights on most characters if he can aim

[carmine badger]

Nope

Gamma can’t go though strike kendo beta

[amber gazelle]

the only thing his kit lacks is movement which his SA makes up for so

[carmine badger]

~~ only if you can kill the right guy~~

[amber gazelle]

unfortunate then

[carmine badger]

But it’s also lacking in any kind of armor and speed

[amber gazelle]

People would say this about Aizawa but people can’t aim with Aizawa for some reason

I hate Shinso because he is so skillless

Just like Mirio and Iida his combos basically play the game for you

[carmine badger]

For some reason it’s always the shinso players who can aim

[carmine badger]

To be fair, their skill lies somewhere else

Mirio in application and being aware of your surroundings

And iida in movement

And both of them get punished a lot more for messing it up

Shinso looks at you edgy like and you might as well delete the game if you have no help

[amber gazelle]

Eh you just add willpower to Mirio and you don’t need that, he has 2 on command invincibility moves after all

Iida you don’t need to learn movement techs to do 200+ dmg combos either

[carmine badger]

Willpower is unreliable right now

[amber gazelle]

In most cases it’s fine though

[carmine badger]

And he still gets punished heavy for any mistakes either way

[carmine badger]

Yeah, but if you want to avoid everyone else’s 400+ damage combos you’re gonna wanna learn some

[amber gazelle]

He doesn’t cause most people in this game are dog

And can’t dodge a charged Mirio Alpha

Otherwise these Mirio’s wouldn’t try to keep charge alpha’ing and beta’ing me

[carmine badger]

It’s easy to dodge on its own, but in this team game Mario on top of a bunch of other people is overwhelming

And sometimes you just don’t expect him

[amber gazelle]

In that situation it’s fair but they do it even after just hitting me with one

Like I don’t see them charging it up again

[carmine badger]

And good mirios will just weave in every single part of his kit, making an unpredictable mess trying to fight him

Because I have been in that sad situation

[amber gazelle]

You can just run from the Mirio

if he tries sa into melee

[carmine badger]

I am not ashamed to say I’ve been robbed and rocked by Mirio players as ibara

[amber gazelle]

also u should be ashamed doesn’t ur gamma do his full hp pool

[carmine badger]

Only stupid ones do that only

Most will gamma into that

[carmine badger]

OK for once willpower is an actual argument here

And if you fought the Mirio I have you’ll see…

[amber gazelle]

Okay fair but he still has like 20 hp at that point

[carmine badger]

he just wouldn’t beta… istg…

[amber gazelle]

Also idk I mainly play giri, Monoma and Aizawa

So on the average I don’t have trouble with Mirio

Even his shield you can roll

Hard to do but seems possible

[carmine badger]

That’s near instant to be honest

And now he has multiple

[amber gazelle]

that part sucks yeah

he didn’t need that buff

Btw not that I ever told you but you can Mirio charged Alpha into other moves

I need to try a Mirio charged alpha into rapid allmight gamma some day

Or aizawa gamma

[carmine badger]

He didn’t need it, but it’s like whatever

Throw them a bone you know (as soon as his skills comes out I hope they all catch the bubonic plague, but that’s different)

[carmine badger]

He does but they’re very situational

Like I’m pretty sure you can do that into Gamma

Oh wait, we’re we’re talking about the annoying schoolboy

F him he can come almost anything into anything as long as the person isn’t knocked down

[carmine badger]

Your mind is weak…

Mic gamma into rapid might gamma…

A stun that goes through all armor plus a grab

I wonder if you can use tech Denki alpha and keep them stunned for some extra damage…

I love theory crafting for this character, but it’s so easy just to do the stupid stuff

[amber gazelle]

real trouble is finding a rapid allmight to copy from

they all kinda dropped off the face of the earth

[carmine badger]

Genuinely where did they go?!?!?!?! I couldn’t escape them at one point.

[amber gazelle]

Either they all turned into strike kendo mains or went back to their mains

[carmine badger]

Sad seems like it’s going to be the assault shiggy of skillsets

[tough lotus]

"It doesnt hurt good monoma players" i basically cant storm dive for risky plays now but okay. They really just need to make his special action drain twice as fast when you are using copied moves and make the full SA recharge like 7 seconds longer. The health change is just frustrating

[carmine badger]

OK, you’ve got me there

Although I don’t think those balance changes is the way to go

It just doesn’t fix the core problem of him

It kinda just makes him feel worse to play

[carmine badger]

But it does hurt good monoma players but not as much as less skilled ones

[tough lotus]

I main monoma and yes it does

The problem is he can use his cooldowns to get so far away that he gets his special action back before you can punish him

Either give him a couple less swaps or give him a longer cooldown when he is waiting for it to come back but also DEFINITELY make it drain a lil faster cause it lasts forever

[carmine badger]

Personally, that’s not my problem

My problem is that he can basically take any skill set or quirk with all of its advantages and none of the disadvantages by simply mixing and matching what he wants

You can just take the most busted move and keep using that

Now, yes the cool down refreshing that definitely needs nerves