Hawks

[woeful hemlock]

0:05 I’m not too experienced with hawks melee so I had no idea if it would hit at that range and beta seemed like the safer and better option

0:11 yeah that was actually a melee pointed in froppy’s general direction that I was hoping would hit or at least set me up to go out to the right door but I messed up the second melee and kept going straight

0:20 but I stupidly aimed it towards the door because I thought she might come back through it very quickly instead of drinking and I low-key freaked out because I meant to drink a small hp but I delayed too much and lost my chance to do so

I did NOT have the health to be chasing someone’s drink

I feel like I’m doing something wrong on this character because why am I so bad? He feels fun af but I just can’t to seem to crack the code

Thinking back on it I should be carrying more small HP’s but I normally carry big shields because I’m a rapid and I know I can get away well (excluding cases like this)

The only fight I won with this character had me basically on deaths door

[woeful hemlock]

(Twice)

[wary lagoon]

post nerfs Hawks is harder for someone to pick up because he is easily punishable for his lower damage if you are still learning his combos.

I don't think you did anything wrong. it's just a matter of learning the characters kit. some characters like Assault Ochako can be carried by a single move and old Hawks it was his beta but now that isn't the case. you need to use the entire kit.

personal experience, i spent probably 10 to 15hrs(not at once just over time) in training mode learning and working the kinks out of his combos (and i still mess up sometimes) but also observing how other people play Hawks helps. seeing how they take on a situation. like in s7- s9 if i died by another hawks, i would stay and watch them to just learn what they are doing that i didn't do or could improve on.

muscle memory is another thing. the more you engage a character, the better you'll get at fighting them with hawks. do not be scared to use his gamma. you dont need it to do damage all the time, just making someone is enough because thats information you can use to judge a heal, beta, melee or sets up something for your team.

[wary lagoon]

Aizawa is a hard one to fight ngl so thats a great win. like both times. ggz

[woeful hemlock]

Training does help, but I need actual combat experience

Because firstly

No one plays this character

Like I genuinely see hawks as a bot more than I see real people

The last Hawks I encountered was last season

And I can’t commit myself fully to this character so I can only try them out three times and that’s it

I want him, but I don’t have him

Also I don’t remember taking this guys lunch money because Jesus

[wary lagoon]

A lot of the times im the only bird in the lobby. i have friends who play him but we almost never queue into games together. he is a rare pick. people usually go Toga or AM right now for rapids

[woeful hemlock]

Or rapid bakugo

Been seeing them a lot recently

[mystic lichen]

@woeful hemlock learning Hawks can be quite tricky, he requires really fast reflex to run him with the current meta, and you aren't guaranteed that you won't get shot down from Rapid All Might, Assault Ochako, Monoma etc. That said you shouldn't be too fast either, by that I mean using beta, gamma or SA for small transportation, try and keep them because you never know when you'll get jumped. Just like your video with Froppy. In order to learn Hawks, spending some time at training with the bots on evasive mode trying to hit multiple times the beta will help you land more your hits. For alpha and gamma, just play more matches! Unranked, ranked, doesn't matter. Practice on hitting from both a long range, and on point blank. Be aggressive, but smart aggressive, pick your fights and make them run!

I've played Hawks a lot and could consider him another main, I'd be down to teach you whatever you want. His cooldowns are hard to manage, especially without proper use or aim to make the most out of them

He's not like he used to, a high KO high damage character, no matter your skill these are hard to pass nowadays, so don't get frustrated even after a bad match

(But then again you can ignore my text all good )

[woeful hemlock]

These are all good tips, but the biggest problem is I just don’t have him so I can’t commit that amount of time to playing him at real matches a.k.a. where it matters and how you actually yknow learn characters It makes every loss hurt so much more because I only have three times like a day to play him. I could try one V ones but it’s still not the same.

[mystic lichen]

1v1 isn't all just about experience, it is also about watching someone superior perform, and letting them watch you so you can get tips and learn your weaknesses

[woeful hemlock]

I think my biggest problem is I’m not really a rapid player, his cool answers are a bit tight, but they’re a lot better than like assault deku it’s just I don’t plan on you know instantly blowing up as soon as I get hit once (my 3 most played characters have 400hp lol) it’s one of the reasons why I don’t really play Mirio because you can’t really make a mistake on that character or your dead

[mystic lichen]

Well maybe you'd appreciate other characters then? Since from what I hear your playstyle doesn't match

[woeful hemlock]

Worst part is I feel like he does need buffs because the stick he’s in is the second worst rapid right now and on the lower scale on tier lists

But season seven (a season I never played) has dramatized people so much but they would rather him be super weak than be in any kind of healthy state

[woeful hemlock]

That too and also learning how to fight matchups

But it doesn’t fully compare to the true mhur experience

[woeful hemlock]

He’s like the only rapid I enjoy though

[mystic lichen]

Hawks actually could use some buffs but could also stay where he is. He is kind of like Mirio now, how a Rapid is meant to be. Don't make mistakes or you pay for it, but can still perform well, and do quick-high damage at some matches. He's fine

[mystic lichen]

I agree, but appreciate the 1v1. It's a good test to see how far you go and what a pro has to tell you about your gameplay

[woeful hemlock]

excluding the skillsets I haven’t been able to play

It’s hard for me to explain why

[woeful hemlock]

Mb I was in a match

[mystic lichen]

I didn't say quit him! I'm just saying if you're looking for a main, maybe he's not him

[mystic lichen]

Dw it's okay I'm joking around

[woeful hemlock]

He just doesn’t have much going for him

Like there’s no reason to play hawks over other characters

I can name at least one character that can do what he does but better

[mystic lichen]

I actually find Hawks my favourite character in the series. And was really excited when he released, but after I saw how busted he is I dropped him. Now he's well balanced and has an actual skill ceiling

[woeful hemlock]

So far from all my one V ones I’ve learned that I suck T-T

[mystic lichen]

Well, just take it that you need more practice. No one's an Ace by playing 1-2 seasons

[woeful hemlock]

All my mains stress me out and all for different reasons

[mystic lichen]

Yikes

[woeful hemlock]

I can’t even unlock my favorite character in the series (I’ll get nejire one day…)

And my second favorite character feels like nails on a chalkboard (I suck at endeavor so much it hurts)

[mystic lichen]

Nejire is available right now though? Why not summon on her

[woeful hemlock]

0 tickets

All of them went to yukata ibara

(Worth btw)

[mystic lichen]

Hahaha, I see

[mystic lichen]

She and Kendo look pretty cool yeah

[woeful hemlock]

Ibara makes me wish I come choke my teammates though the screen

Tech Dabi is just torture to try to play against anyone with over room temperature iq

And I can never play hawks with a smile on my face, knowing I won’t be able to play him after this

[mystic lichen]

Sheesh, a little too harsh on yourself?

[woeful hemlock]

When’s the last time you’ve died to either tech Dabi or ibara?

[mystic lichen]

I'm a Mirio/Hawks player, it's not as easy as it looks!

[woeful hemlock]

For a mirio player a tech dabi should just be 2 rainbows on a sliver platter

And you know better than to engage against an ibara…

[mystic lichen]

Hahaha, yeah sort of

[mystic lichen]

I actually do quite often, especially if they're not so high-skilled, or don't have a good team around, they're another 2 walking rainbows

[woeful hemlock]

Well, you basically just proved my point even better

I am literally two walking rainbows 90% of my games

[mystic lichen]

But you're also a great support to your team. Just gotta find the right people

I'll hop off now, have a little more faith in your skill, and strive to improve. I wouldn't have been half of what I am if I didn't play as much as I did, get back up as much as I did, and keep going

[woeful hemlock]

My team ain’t a great support to me

#1233264559905701910 message

[woeful hemlock]

I feel like I’ve played a ton and I don’t feel like a quarter of where I should be in skill

[mystic lichen]

Like I said, find the right people. There are many who'd help in this server. Specifically search at Momo's channel, or general discussion

[woeful hemlock]

440 hours infact

[mystic lichen]

1000+ hours and I'm still not one of the "best" or so to speak

It takes time, it's not the same for everyone. Just keep going and you'll see the results

[woeful hemlock]

Still, I am the first one to go

Always

Because people are smart enough to know to always go after me first, and I’m not skilled enough to fend them off

[woeful hemlock]

I’d say you’re at the very least in the top 5%

Anyways

Give hawks beta armor

[vivid surge]

At this point I think he deserves just a little bit. Not a lot, just some. If they took away his damage and some of his mobility, he deserves that much

[woeful hemlock]

If kendo can face tank a nukes worth of damage I don’t think this is a crazy ask

[vivid surge]

Some people would think it is but I personally think it's fair in his condition

He needs to not be able to be knocked so easily, its actually really annoying

[woeful hemlock]

They think that because they still haven’t gotten past season seven

[woeful hemlock]

His flightpath in Beta is already super obvious

Most characters can easily snuff it out

[vivid surge]

At this point they really need to. Yeah he was broken, but we have a lot worse issues now and I get tired of trying to tell people that

[vivid surge]

That is also true

[woeful hemlock]

This is genuinely the most broken character

There’s literally not a singular way to nerf him simply due to how his character works at a fundamental level

[wary lagoon]

Im so sick of the "but s7-" please stop 😭 its almost been a year

[vivid surge]

Honestly like... please, it is not that deep 😭

The state of things is a million times worse than s7 and I'm tired of pretending it isn't

[mystic lichen]

Hahaha, thanks a lot. I mean it

[mystic lichen]

Someone said Lemillion?!

[vivid surge]

LOL I won't lie, I had to do a double take for a second bc I'm not fully awake 😭

[mystic lichen]

Hahahaha

[mystic lichen]

But with all honesty Hawks feels like an actual Rapid right now, I don't think he needs any tremendous buffs right now

[vivid surge]

imo I just think, at most, maybe a tiny SpA buff but that's really all I want for him

[mystic lichen]

It's a considerable buff true, because it won't alter so much his game, and it's not like his chase will be OP again due to his damage being normal now, he'll just run further. Because it is hard to begin with to lose a bright-red-feathered character, making him unable to run much is a bit of an overkill!

[vivid surge]

Yeah, maybe it's just me but it's beginning to feel like a lot of characters that aren't rapids are easily catching up with him these days, so it makes it hard for him to like... play like a rapid necessarily, for the lack of a better term. Maybe the non-rapids don't have rapid level mobility, sure, but they are able to chase him down rather easily (at least some)

[woeful hemlock]

Kendo can move faster than this

Monama can too

And kiri

Even Mirio in certain case scenarios

And he doesn’t have humongous damage that other rapids can put out the have less mobility than him

[coarse lintel]

I been seeing people using All might Quirk skill set,Kendo quirk skill set all the time now it's very annoying

[mystic lichen]

Well, talking about the recent releases alone can easily chase him. Monoma, Strike Kendo, even Assault Ochako with her endless beta

[mystic lichen]

Hawks can do good damage as well, but it's just heavily combo-relied. Plus you can knock him out of all the combos and attacks he does because he's exposed and has a pretty big hit box. For example melee-beta, you can stop him whenever at his melee (if you're like close to Hawks and the one getting meleed) or knock him out of his beta since most characters nowadays have super armor which will cancel Hawks' beta

[wary lagoon]

I think the easiest combo to hit off hawks is the gamma into alpha. Its a good range option and I use it to close distance.
Gamma then aim alpha. Beam until they hit iframes. During that time slowly walk towards them as ya fire alpha. Then start to melee and catch them om their wake up. Leading into a melee combo into beta or gamma.
But yes. Hawks is extremely vulnerable trying to beta. Even if he connects and is in free flight, he can't really see behind him as the beta direction is tied to his camera.

There's a list of things that can stun hawks out of beta. A simple melee is one of them

[vivid surge]

getting knocked out of the beta drives me insane like sdfgh

[wary lagoon]

Kendos qss is actually really good. No tuning and pulled like an 8ko game 😭 if you see her with the shields around her? Do not push or hit her. That move can delete a rapid. All Might can melee into his alpha and it can melt you. I don't think it has knockback because we've tried to play chicken with it and it doesn't end well.

[wary lagoon]

Im fine Getting knocked out. Its when it misses that tilts me

[vivid surge]

I've had that happen too and atp I just want to give up 😭

[wary lagoon]

Like how is it i cant roll for sht but you're telling me all my opponents have perfect rolls the second it should connent?

I know its probably a desync issue

But so annoying

[mystic lichen]

Yup, that strategy is good as well. It's not like I was talking about easy combos, but thanks for adding up?

[mystic lichen]

Trust me they do.. Mirio main talking here!

[vivid surge]

pain and suffering is all it feels like these days

[mystic lichen]

Not really, I actually enjoy my matches with Hawks. Even if I don't always win

[vivid surge]

See, I can't feel that way with how often I'm being focused by everyone under the sun for what feels like 0 reason like man I'm minding my own business 😭

I love him and I like playing him but at some point it gets way too exhausting to handle mentally/emotionally

[mystic lichen]

I actually got targeted by one team today, Aizawa, Assault Shigaraki and Overhaul. Needless to say I evaporated them hahaha

First I just beat their Shigaraki and Aizawa and Overhaul just storm camped so I just let go. He res and they came back for me again! And I just KOed them all

Paragraph incoming from Ninjago? Hahaha

[wary lagoon]

Mirio is someone I honestly struggle to fight. I know I can punish the bubble he makes because most Mirios will hold it and i just walk in to melee. But other Mirios? Permeation just makes hawks waste so much.

[wary lagoon]

No lol

Im just waking up

My brain is like trying to function and I cant spell apparently lmao

[mystic lichen]

Mirio is so easy for a Hawks to fight. I don't struggle with it at all. Just landing the gamma-alpha as they use their alpha, and then watch them trying to escape with SA or beta while I have them marked, and attack with beta to finish

[mystic lichen]

It's fine I'm joking around

[wary lagoon]

Sometimes its best to play a game without the goal of wining in mind. Like if ya do good? Awesome. If ya dont? Who cares. Remember you're here to have fun.

[vivid surge]

I'm not even safe in solo games, honestly. I treat solos as my way of trying to get better with Hawks but I can't get better when I am literally fighting two people at once bc people have this unnecessary deep-seated hatred for him

That's what bothers me more than even like, actual team matches

[mystic lichen]

Best morale ngl

[mystic lichen]

Yeah, just dip the fight that's what I usually do. In solos especially because it's unranked landing 7-8 KOs is fairly easy. Just pick your fights and dip whenever you get low or get pushed like you mentioned. You don't have to keep fighting if it's disadvantageous for you

[vivid surge]

I literally spent half the match trying to 3rd party and survive bc that's basically all I could do. That and fighting on chaos city is not great (getting stuck on literally everything dear god 😭 ).

[wary lagoon]

I can do this on a bad mirio lol but the ones I end up fighting will go under ground when hawks betas or permeate then punish me instantly.
I also think if you know a character well? You are better at predicting them. I don't play mirio so idk how they are going to play. But I do know how a Bakugo or Dabi thinks so its so much easier to fight them. Same with hawks. Im confidence fighting hawks on pretty much any character.

[mystic lichen]

Hahaha, yeah Chaos City is tricky

[mystic lichen]

Don't get too hasty with a Mirio, that's all. Focus on marking first and fighting with gamma and beta. And when they'll beta catch them when they pop up

[mystic lichen]

Gamma and alpha*

[vivid surge]

me when solo lobbies when I play Hawks have tech shoto, strike dabi, strike kendo, aizawa: this is not fun anymore

though tbh strike dabi isn't a huge deal for me bc it's like, sometimes he gets a different target and I'm like "okay cool I can dip to heal" but that's the sort of stuff I don't enjoy fighting in solos for sure

[mystic lichen]

Technical Shoto just let him spam and find the opening between his cooldowns. Don't beta, focus on gamma-alpha. Strike Kendo and Aizawa are annoying to everyone, but for Aizawa, go gamma whenever you can land it to trick them into running, landing the beta as they do it's easy

[vivid surge]

Aizawa is a nusiance for me to fight on most characters but it's bc people are usually really cracked with him, but I'll try to keep tha in mind for sure

[woeful hemlock]

It wouldn’t be so bad if it didn’t take the entire cooldown too

[woeful hemlock]

His combos aren’t even that strong… or even true…

[vivid surge]

yeah 😭

[woeful hemlock]

I don’t think a singular one of his combos are true, except for the one beta combo

[coarse lintel]

Can someone tell me how to stay away from Aizawa scarf and Shinobu scarf too pls😅

[coarse lintel]

Uhh the game is broke

[woeful hemlock]

I’d be more worried about shinobu’s sword than anything

[flat leaf]

Hawks players what do we think about wall runner/space hop Hawks?

[wary lagoon]

I made a joke about this being a "Rapid Hawks" build

[flat leaf]

He needs it with his current mobility

[wary lagoon]

Fr 😭

High-speed replenishment would be nice as well

[flat leaf]

Yeah

[vivid surge]

working on that build rn lol, put revenge assault as a temporary thing

wall runner is maxed out though 😂

[wispy perch]

Lol

[glossy cypress]

Space hop hawks would be flippin hilarious

[wary lagoon]

I love it on him ngl. Saving Beta charges to get air

[glossy cypress]

Yas

[mystic lichen]

I personally prefer Kota finder and GP sucker. Hawks can still get rather quickly to Kota, and his levels for him and his team are valuable. Aaaand GP sucker is great to help you keep being aggressive while getting a down in free flight mode

[wary lagoon]

My top 4 builds
Crush PU/ GP
Sisterly/Embrit
Sisterly/GP or card dup
GP/Revenge strike

Fun builds?
Space hop trance blow
Sisterly electrification
Warp heal high speed
Embrittlement speedy self rez

[brittle brook]

Which costume is crushing pu/ gp?

[wary lagoon]

Blue Cyber Hawks. It's heavy on reloads

[brittle brook]

Ah don't got cyber

[wary lagoon]

😔

What outfits ya got?

[brittle brook]

Wind general, I was gonna run gp suck revenge strike next szn but if I had that crushing fit I may have done that instead

[wary lagoon]

Well Wind gen heat is his highest dps build. That's the "strike hawks" build and then you have his double yellow thats "assault hawks" so both of those are really really good

Wind does have two fits you could run Crushing PU on but one is heavy is yellow and the other green. Im not sure in the utility of the outfits.

[bleak flume]

Thank you, tuning, for making Hawks somewhat playable

I wouldn't be the bird I am today without Kota Finder and Card Dupe

[heavy idol]

is it just me or is hawks melee

broken

[wary lagoon]

It hits when it wants to. The more you play him the more you realize it doesn't like to work sometimes. Like you can aim at someone and melee and he'll just go left or right.

Its broken as in its really good but also broken as in it does like to work lol

Last patch some friends pointed out that tracking in general was shadow nerfed on a lot of things

[vivid surge]

Pretty sure when I was playing solos and trying to use his melee, Hawks fr was just like "hm yes, this wall looks like a great target" like no 😭

[wary lagoon]

He has a mind of his own 😭

[vivid surge]

he really does

[heavy idol]

cuz it had me hitting comboes like melee melee beta beta instead of the usual melee x3 into beta

i had to play ring around the rosie but dont forget that I have an air melee out of no where

playing mind games

and then hitting alphas

it was not smooth

[tropic estuary]

Sup yall
Been a while since I've spoke here

[mystic lichen]

Sup 👋

[wary lagoon]

☕ still waiting on your videos

[tropic estuary]

Waddup

[tropic estuary]

mb gng exams n shi been holding me up
Hvnt booted mhur in like 3weeks now

[wary lagoon]

Lol its fine bud. Im not in any rush tbh. Hope your exams are going well 🫂

[tropic estuary]

Arigato taco means alot

[woeful hemlock]

Oh ok… I guess I’ll log off now…

[woeful hemlock]

I want to play Hawks more, but I don’t have any more trial tickets…

[vivid surge]

All I see is cut bakugou's damage just a little

HP is just a joke these days

[flat leaf]

Why not abuse i frames to escape??

[coarse lintel]

Don't worry I died too when 3 people worked together to kill me

[glossy cypress]

My assault hawks is sisterly electric on cyber dangerous

[wary lagoon]

Sisterly electric is so nasty lmao its such a guarantee combo

[glossy cypress]

Its extremely funny freezing those pesky pikachus with their own quirk

especially when its a tech pikachu

[wary lagoon]

ah fr seeing more and more Tech Denkis 😭

[brittle brook]

I sorta wish tech denki was never released but also wanna keep his tuning

[wary lagoon]

he didnt need a buff

[brittle brook]

Didn't deserve it either

[vivid surge]

they have returned 😂😭

I feel bad bc I jumped them w Hawks and I ended up dropping them some shield as an apology 💔 they dropped a blue for me (this was solos). YThey died in the storm at the end :'

[coarse lintel]

Awww I wishi joined with ya

I kinda was fighting another Hawks he was the last one

Or well he died in the smoke

I would've died with him😅

[vivid surge]

I turned crossplay off to try and actually have a chance to play him w/o being teamed on

[coarse lintel]

I been doing the unranked match I didn't want my rank to keep falling😭

Everyone hates me now bc I have Shinobu 😂

[vivid surge]

I think imma have to uninstall the game; I lost to a baby assault deku in solos 😭

I almost had him 💔

[coarse lintel]

Don't uninstall the game😭

[vivid surge]

I feel nothing but shame over what just happened

[wary lagoon]

Just remember that its a game thats all. No need to get stressed over it

[coarse lintel]

Ya I have a reason to stress out is that I need to kill more quirk skill kendo

It's true😅

She is very annoying and does so much damage to me

[vivid surge]

Hawks needs better reloads dear god. I hate fighting Overhaul and bc of his (Hawks') bad reloads, I cannot fight him

[coarse lintel]

Ik how you feel I got killed by overhaul too

[wary lagoon]

The blue cyber fit is pretty good on reload or you can try Dabi tunings.

[vivid surge]

I think I was running that but yeesh 😭 it is rough still

[wary lagoon]

Unfortunately his only blue purple tuning is his basic hero fit. The Christmas bird

Hard to do gp and revenge tech

[vivid surge]

I might have swapped it after I decided I was done

idk what I have on rn tbh

[wary lagoon]

Really hope next season he gets an outfit with GOOD tuning

[vivid surge]

they don't wanna give him good tuning bc people will complain probably

which is honestly stupid

[wary lagoon]

Not saying Hawks has bad tuning but as someone who's spent a lot of time working on his builds... hawks lacks in a lot

Compared to deku, Bakugo, shoto, Aizawa all of them have much better tuning builds

[vivid surge]

they really decided Hawks doesn't deserve anything, but will do that

[wary lagoon]

Hawks is so limited and its mostly to the fact 90% of his costumes are tied to Hero/Villain only slots

[vivid surge]

it feels insane to me 😭

[wary lagoon]

If his slots didnt get locked the way they are he would be fine

[vivid surge]

true

[wary lagoon]

Like parallel Hawks? Sisterly/GP? Its an anything yellow and villain blue.... but look closer? He has a yellow villain slot on right side for the subs. Making that outfit ONLY Hero Yellow and Villain blue.

Its so dumb

[vivid surge]

tuning feels more and more like a mistake with the lack of balancing they do with it, especially in cases like this

[wary lagoon]

I just want his next outfit to have double purple or double red. Thats all

[vivid surge]

and by balancing I mean outfits having what colors

[wary lagoon]

Its just a mod system like warframe or destiny

I love it but to people who just play basic brs like fortnite I get that its a bit much

However these games dont limit things like mhur does

[vivid surge]

I don't hate it bc I think it's helpful and I have good stuff still happening w it but I think it's more of the execution of it that's the issue

[wary lagoon]

Imagine if we had the ability to reroll the tunings available on outfits

[vivid surge]

honestly that'd be really nice

[wary lagoon]

Like spend some hero souls and let it reroll the special slots or subslots

Would be neat

More diversity in builds

Maybe fix the only yellow villain slots if we could roll them out

[vivid surge]

I love build diversity but man

[wary lagoon]

I wish they would open up a feedback survey on tuning. So we could give them some constructive criticism on it as a system. Sure we can submit it here but people posting counter feedbacks just bury good feedback.

[vivid surge]

It's literally why I haven't tried submitting feedback. Bc honestly, I would like to give feedback on stuff but man can we actually be polite here and be willing to acknowledge that some stuff does need to happen

I can't spell rip

[wary lagoon]

Whenever I do it I try to make it as clear as possible but also uh intelligent? Like instead of saying "nerf said character" its more so "balance change for character-"

I think feedback is a good tool

[vivid surge]

That is honestly really fair and imo, I think you do VERY good w it

[wary lagoon]

I just feel that they get to it so late that they are implementing nerfs/buffs extremely past due. Like Bakugo 2nd gamma was asked for in season 1. It took a year.

[vivid surge]

Has me wondering how long it'll take before Hawks gets maybe a tiny buff 💔

I don't want anything huge, just his SpA is enough for me

[wary lagoon]

He will probably get something around the time of his qss

If he gets one sooner it will be because they nerfed Nejire

That gives me some hope

I know I made a s12 trailer bingo card. Should do a patch notes bingo card lol

[vivid surge]

Man I hope 😭 Tuning helps but it's still a struggle still. Some people really made me waste some of my stuff when playing Hawks smh

Solid matches otherwise ieven if it was a bot lobby bc like, I'm not being teamed on by actual peaople (maybe bots but like)

[wary lagoon]

I saw someone tuning afo tuning on hawks and I can see it being useful but he needs boots on the ground to start his reloads. Wasting time for the tuning to trigger

Tbh I think thats a lot of the reload issues on Hawks. One of his first nerfs was "boost on the ground for special and beta"

I understand why but

Ibara, Bakugo, many other characters

Ochako

[vivid surge]

In theory I get why they did it like that, but the practicality of it is just... not helping people in terms of wanting to play him/try and pick him up even if he's fun

[wary lagoon]

Can reload in the air

[wary lagoon]

It was understandable post s7

But now

All his nerfs

[vivid surge]

Everyone can catch this bird man 😭

[wary lagoon]

He doesnt have the damage to make up for the reload nerfs

[vivid surge]

He needs something to compensate for it, and rn? His melee is about it for the most part, and even that's not a guarantee

[wary lagoon]

Rapid Ochako SpA reload and abilities, if you got the right build she is like never on cooldown. I cant actually chase or fight her anymore

Crazy

[vivid surge]

Hawks doesn't feel like a rapid/air character these days to me

The only thing he has for a "rapid" is maybe speed and lower damage numbers but that's about it.

[wary lagoon]

I think and I don't think they will do it but I think Hawks should be allowed to reload in the air. However make it slower. Like if his beta takes idk 3 seconds to reload. In the air make it take 6 but if he lands it speeds up.

Something is better than nothing

[vivid surge]

That seems rather fair imo, bc while yes, he reloads in the air, there is a drawback to it

But god forbid it goes in feedback bc people don't dare try and read

[wary lagoon]

His SpA cant even be used unless its at 100% so if he is high up, he has to fall anyways and with it taking 20-30% on start up? He cant even stay high for long

[wary lagoon]

I'll find a way to word it but yeah. Whenever I post something about hawks I just get a counter feedback saying im crazy lmao

Never forget that one dude

99% sure he never read what was posted just saw "buff hawks" and was like hel nahhh

😂

[vivid surge]

LOL people really need to read omg, and you weren't asking for anything crazy either

just small changes

[wary lagoon]

No lol like i put thought into it and even said "this isn't even close to prime hawks but a middle of what we got now"

[vivid surge]

and now some people are a little more open and less hateful when they see his current state

[wary lagoon]

190 beta!? You crazy? No lmao I said that was his old my new was like 150 😂

[wary lagoon]

It is nice that more people have realized he is hurting

All new characters and qss having crazy damage values are not helping

[coarse lintel]

I wish people can stop needing hawk's so much tho

Kendo I never knew she can do so much damge

[wary lagoon]

Assault Kendo, I find it WILD they nerf Hawks damage but then gave her a 180+ attack that is more consistent than his beta.
Strike Kendo? Her Beta is scary. Like if she has Embrittlement and a good build? It can one shot 300 and less characters

[coarse lintel]

I got killed by her so many times she kept targeting me not letting me heal up or fight back

[wary lagoon]

Rapid AM melee into alpha is easy to abuse and can push put more damage with him getting armor than Hawks can do in his alpha because Hawks alpha has knock down after 110

[vivid surge]

People were in agreement on nerfs but I think people have really seen how much he's hurting in reality, and some people probably are like, recent players of him too. But then people think I'm biased for wanting stuff to help Hawks out like 😭 No, I just play him and know how bad he hurts

[wary lagoon]

People who dont play hawks and says he needs a nerf need to take him into a game and play him.

[vivid surge]

They do! They really do

[wary lagoon]

If you are dying to a bird then the bird is a really good player or your bad.

[coarse lintel]

I play hawk's all the time to help my teammate

I remember I was fighting another hawk's😂

It was hawk's vs hawk's 😂

[vivid surge]

People blame his melee for the issues like buddy... I hate to break it to you... but despite how good it is, it is NOT as much of a threat as you think it is (it doesn't like to work)

[wary lagoon]

He is so versatile. My main strat with hawks is to kind of play support? Like if you find me im 90% of the time going to Gamma you and keep you marked. Not for me but for my team to finish you off lol

[wary lagoon]

me going to melee afo and attacking a wall 👁️👄 👁️

[coarse lintel]

I was emote endeavor and get got along very quickly 😂 but dabi burnt my wings and called me birdie

What is the deal with dabi and hawk's😂

[vivid surge]

Literally me the other day 😭 except I was fighting an All Might bot, and I was also trying to beta so I'm going into the wall w melee and then getting caught on walls/whatever bc of the beta and it was nauseating to handle

[wary lagoon]

People saying im good at the game but imma show them this like "nah man" as my defense.

[vivid surge]

holy spelling

[coarse lintel]

Well the game was making me lag so much I take more damage

This game needs to update🥺

[wary lagoon]

Listen its a pair labeled "do not separate"

[vivid surge]

Can confirm /j

hence why my figures of them are always next to each other, I cannot separate them

[coarse lintel]

I'm happy I have a new character I'm still working on Shinobu moves😅

I'm more scared of Aizawa bc he can erase people's quirks

We need Mirko so bad I need the bunny hero😭

[wary lagoon]

Aizawa wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for his alpha. Like if he just whipped people? Fine. But the "im going to erase your quirk so you have to get into melee range. Now ill bind you and combo you" really isnt fun

[vivid surge]

I remember playing Hawks (and this happend w Dabi too) and being grabbed from a stupid range and it's like yeah no

[vivid surge]

Honestly same, I'd roll for her ngl

[wary lagoon]

Its a lot further than ya think

[vivid surge]

And it's why I hate it 🥀

[coarse lintel]

I do have melee on hawk's T.U.R.I.N.G I have like 10 characters that I'm working on getting all the T..U.N.I.N.G

But I'm getting closer to getting all might in the special

Froppy is the best character bc you can heal ur teammates and camouflage

[wary lagoon]

Yes and no so from personal experience. I have a trained eye for camouflage (thanks halo/destiny) so its super easy for me to see her take out frogs.

However a froppy runs reinforced res is scary because whoever she picks up will have 250 GP and probably fight you, letting her slip off again and use a team item.

Also high speed replacement on her is pretty good.

Small target so easy to slip away if someone isn't focusing you

[coarse lintel]

Everytime I like hit the player they run off and thinking ya they r scared of me that I'm like gonna aggressively hit there character they r play😂

I can't believe it's Deku and Mirio birthday

[vivid surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-mha-bnha-meow-hawksmeow-gif-14426441573435449625

[coarse lintel]

I have seen myself on tiktok now when I remembered I was on the roof of UA Toga was hitting me so now I'm famous 😂

[vivid surge]

I at least had some good matches w my favorite bird today so ❤️ I'm happy

[coarse lintel]

I hope the big 3 is complete

I would die of laughter if someone played as the whole big 3

[wary lagoon]

Well you are the no.2 hero

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288433411568177173/1374696726950187038/static-assets-upload8543162619015415158.webp

[coarse lintel]

😂 not gonna lie there

I lost the video to it tho

[vivid surge]

strike hawks when?? just to run a team of strike hawks, endeavor, and strike dabi

[wary lagoon]

im right here-

[coarse lintel]

I was doing so many combos on kendo

[vivid surge]

sdfgh true 😭 but like, I was thinking in terms of a skill set

I am also tired so brain is not braining rn LOL

[coarse lintel]

I made a new move tho I haven't named it yet

[wary lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288433411568177173/1364531641384570890/049cd0f47bd176833866f939796d7dd1.gif

[vivid surge]

bro with his coffee is me fr /j

[wary lagoon]

I might go back to that pfp. I miss coffee bird

[vivid surge]

coffee bird is great

his wings are so pretty though man... I love looking at them

[coarse lintel]

We need dark shadow he's my favorite bc hawk's and Tokoyami r bird friends

People make his wings into cosplays it's very cool not gonna lie

Tbh who wants Minoru to be in mhur

[vivid surge]

people do for some reason, idk why

[coarse lintel]

I don't wanna see him.... After what he's been doing to the girls

[wary lagoon]

I cant wait for the dialog between them "bird bros!"

[coarse lintel]

YES BESTIE BIRDS FOREVER

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-takami-tokoyami-fumikage-tsukuyomi-hawks-pretty-gif-15413570687106713880

[vivid surge]

maybe he'll be the reason Hawks makes a comeback (please, I wanna see more birds in my lobbies)

[coarse lintel]

Same here

I been seeing so many kendo

And mostly Monama

I think I spelled his name right idk😅

I heard that Tokoyami is gonna be in season 13 or 14 it needs to hurry I need my favorite birdie man

[wary lagoon]

Theory is Hawks qss when we get Tokoyami but no idea

[vivid surge]

time to keep saving tickets...

[wary lagoon]

That or he will be tied with Endeavor because pro 1 and pro 2

[coarse lintel]

I don't save my tickets😅

[vivid surge]

sitting at 1k rn

[coarse lintel]

I can't even reach for expert rank bc how bad I have a team

[vivid surge]

tbh idc about ranked anymore atp

I might feel better next season but idk

[coarse lintel]

I just wanna finish that mission

I still have to get 2 more 100 tickets

I miss season 7

[vivid surge]

season 7 feels better than what we have now

[coarse lintel]

Ya but now we r gonna have more quirk skill sets

I think it will be endeavor

I can't remember the rest

And motion

Mirio

[wary lagoon]

Once a year they do the 2 qss but it would be nice if they started doing it more often.

[coarse lintel]

I agree

[wary lagoon]

We need to run a customs of just birds.

[flat leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/apollo-g-bird-african-grey-african-gray-congo-gray-parrot-gif-18131456514183070886

[coarse lintel]

Who wants to join me in solo match or ranked match

This is what I do when I'm afk😅

[vivid surge]

that'd be hilarious ngl

[coarse lintel]

I got killed by lagging😭

The game hates me oh no I might just give up or no I should just oh my goodness so much lagging I might being the game to heaven

[woeful hemlock]

How do you guys even play this character?

He has nothing going for him

I hate that I like playing as him

Because there’s just so many characters that can do what he does but better

[wispy heath]

PUR Tuning or bust

[woeful hemlock]

Something I don’t own…

[wispy heath]

If he doesn't have that, his performance is just subpar.

You're working 3x as hard to get the same performance as you would with a lot of other characters

[woeful hemlock]

It’s sad that a strike kendo can outrun me

I actually got one low

[coarse lintel]

God I hate her

[woeful hemlock]

But they just ran

And ran

And ran

[coarse lintel]

I was the last one in the solo match and I was just fighting a normal kendo😂

[woeful hemlock]

I lost them

[coarse lintel]

But I didn't win in the end😭

[wispy heath]

You realize that Hawks' gimmick is no longer special when the Strike archetypes have better mobility tech than Hawks' entire kit + the tech

Strike Kirishima simply just alpha-beta cancels and bam; he's already leaping like All Might special action, but with armor and can be interrupted into a large coverage area attack.
Kendo simply gammas toward the sky then uses her air melee and she achieves what Hawks does with beta into special action into melee

Oh, and the cost of each resource is a fraction of what Hawks has to use to get similar mobility without the armor

And don't get me started on the combo potential that Strike Kendo and Strike Kirishima get by comparison to their resources used and the risk factor.

[woeful hemlock]

It wouldn’t even be that bad if Hawks had anything else going for him

Armor? Damage? Ammo? Something

[wispy heath]

Hawks used to have dangerous combos that applied good damage, with an alpha that could keep people at bay. Now, his combos are relatively tame damage with a high amount of risk due to huge counterplay from the meta characters, and a peashooter.

[wispy heath]

40-50 alpha feathers that have a hint of tracking or a rapid fire mode.

The only problem is that they deal insignificant damage and the DP is too high to even be rewarded for using it properly (or punishing bad plays).

[woeful hemlock]

The worst part is that nobody agrees that he needs help

All I can assume is that they don’t play the character

[vivid surge]

anyone with a brain knows he needs help

[woeful hemlock]

Cause they just say

“He’s a rapid play hit and run”

Or

“his Melee is amazing, he’s fine with that”

[vivid surge]

I am still SO sure the people complaining played him ONCE (or died to a good Hawks player) and they don't actually care to understand how he works

WHERE IS THE RUN?? HE CAN'T RUN

[wispy heath]

His alpha is genuinely terrible; it is a high investment skill that has way, way too much down power.

[vivid surge]

this is so sad to look at 🥀

[wispy heath]

Like... He doesn't even get DAMAGE until it hits levels 4 and 9

So if you're level 8 you're hitting as hard as level 4

[vivid surge]

genuinely sad

[wispy heath]

How do you justify investing in a skill that only improves after 5 levels? And no, +1 ammo count is like a spray bottle against a forest fire.

[vivid surge]

also like, his melee is good when it works bc it likes to go in other places 💔

and he can be punished easily for trying it

[wispy heath]

His melee is actually the only thing that is keeping him relevant tbh; you can at least control the 2nd melee to move around a bit.

[woeful hemlock]

No, I think it’s a bunch of season seven war veterans who do not care to figure him out nowadays because they were so much pain back there

[vivid surge]

But now we have Monoma and strike Kendo

[wispy heath]

There's been way too many adjustments to the game that were directly and indirectly working against Hawks.

[vivid surge]

Monoma bc of the reload nonsense, and strike Kendo bc... yeah

atp why is Hawks even in the GAME

I love this dude, I do, he's SO fun but they really are being ridiculous w these choices

[woeful hemlock]

There have been many posts on Reddit (yeah go ahead and laugh) of people asking who is the worst of the worst

They all always say season seven hawks

[wispy heath]

Sisterly was definitely carrying the low skill Hawks users, and the devs made sure that most people just invested in Parallel World Default.

[vivid surge]

they are delusional 💀

100% convinced atp

[wispy heath]

If anything people should be thankful that Wind General Fancy never took off in popularity since it was only on Present Mic's banner

[woeful hemlock]

They have a point and I somewhat agree but fundamentally monoma is worse

[vivid surge]

Unfortunately picking him up in s9 was disaster, then it gets worse 😭

[woeful hemlock]

There is no balancing him

A character that can use everyone else’s skills is going to be broken no matter what

The only thing that’s keeping him back is opportunity cost

[wispy heath]

You can't rely defensively on Sisterly anymore since it's balanced, but you can't really invest in offense either

[vivid surge]

I mean I get it, I do, but holy 💀 we're gonna act like strike kendo is fine and dandy???

[woeful hemlock]

The question was on who’s worse not what’s bad and what’s not

[wispy heath]

Embrittlement dropping from 25 -> 10% means he cannot makeup for his base damage nerfs, and Iron Fists is a 5% trait; the default Cyberhero is probably not carrying your DPS

[vivid surge]

I will still always insist that what we have now is worse, but keep in mind I was dying to Hawks so much in s7

[wispy heath]

The devs clearly let the players be the lab rats with how dumb the beta was

They simply let enough hatred toward Hawks accumulate, and once he was out of the limelight they hacked away at his viability bit by bit

Take away the OP stuff, then take away the average stuff...

[vivid surge]

I hated s7 Hawks, so much, but this is just actually sad what they did to him

[wispy heath]

Then start gutting everything else to his kit without mercy

[vivid surge]

They also keep releasing counters to him as well

Genuinely feels like there is NO point in even OWNING him unless it's for tuning

[wispy heath]

Well even then his normal tuning is actually abysmal

So he's only Perception fodder for the Twice stans

[woeful hemlock]

I mean, I don’t see any real hate for it because everyone still has equivalent to post war flashbacks of him

I think I was the first person to come here asking why his wings got clipped

That was before I even started playing him

[vivid surge]

I have seen so many insanely bad takes in this server and I am convinced most of them are the ones who want Hawks nerfed

well, he got nerfed, more than he needed to be actually

[woeful hemlock]

On one hand, I agree on the other I disagree

To a fundamental level, yes

This game is going through a bunch of mobility, creep, armor, creep, and genuine unbalanceable mess

[wispy heath]

Okay, either they revert alpha damage and maintain the Down Power, or they remove the down power entirely and retain the poor damage.

[woeful hemlock]

Cool down don’t matter anymore unless you’re literally spamming it and nothing else

And many more problems that this game just refuses to fix and only doubles down

[vivid surge]

Reloads are killing me too, even with tuning 💔

[woeful hemlock]

But when it comes to true straight off power

[wispy heath]

Gamma... Revert the damage nerf; why did they drop its damage from 130 -> 100 at level 9?

[woeful hemlock]

Hawks in s7 is just unmatched

[vivid surge]

oh yeah no s7 Hawks was an issue for sure, but they really didn't need to go this hard. This is bordering dangerous levels of "if he gets hit again, he's not going to be playable" and he's bordering that fine line, but also feel free to disagree w me on this one too

[wispy heath]

Well beta free flight was just unbalanced; you could do beta > beta free flight > beta free flight as a true combo since each hit staggered like Momo alpha and the free flights were doing more damage than a pre-nerf Momo cannon

[woeful hemlock]

Just give him armor and some more health

That or give him more reload/ammo

[wispy heath]

It's more of his special action costs too much to manage as it is

[vivid surge]

3 ft and 25% gone is how it feels

[wispy heath]

To start up the flight in the air, it takes like 23% or something

Basically the Endeavor special action situation all over again

[vivid surge]

I wouldn't care about the damage numbers if they didn't take his mobility WITH it

like nerfing it a little? sure, but this is too much

[wispy heath]

Well it's more of his current mobility is basically on par with the current meta, except it's as fuel efficient as a Ford F-150

[vivid surge]

I like to hope they give him something to help him but I doubt it given they run on pure hatred like just play one of his counters and you'll be fine, stop complaining 😭

I promise it isn't meant to be rude but like, we genuinely keep getting counters for him now

[woeful hemlock]

Funny thing is without the tech he would be flying as much as a penguin

[woeful hemlock]

Thing is even without that he’s “good”

[vivid surge]

I'm just so genuinely exhausted of how people treat him still like he isn't even that much of a threat anymore 💔 if at all

[woeful hemlock]

Endeavor has a whole lot of different problems

but he’s not in the state that hawks is

[woeful hemlock]

why tf does strike kendo have more health than him?

[vivid surge]

take her health away fr

[woeful hemlock]

WHY DOES ASSCHACO HAVE MORE HEALTH THAN HIM???

[vivid surge]

I still think rapid ochako needs to go back to 250, then Hawks should get 300

but idk, maybe that's just me

[woeful hemlock]

I agree

[woeful hemlock]

Because he isn’t

I can smack you guys out of the sky

It’s not even funny

One gamma you’re dead

[vivid surge]

people also LOVE tbagging/emoting on Hawks players too like 💔

[wary lagoon]

Im just waking up and dont have brain power to read but @wispy heath is probably one of the top birds. knowing what ya can cook always impresses me.

[woeful hemlock]

We’re not cooking we’re mourning

[vivid surge]

I physically cannot play Hawks in anything but solos w crossplay off

[wary lagoon]

I play for the love of the characters not the kit.

[wispy heath]

Like... Playing Hawks has become more of a chore than ever, and that's WITH Sisterly Embrittling.

[wary lagoon]

They cook ingame

[vivid surge]

Reason being? Everyone focuses him and teams against him

[woeful hemlock]

This character genuinely feels fun to play for me, but he feels so weak

He has eaten so many trial tickets

[wispy heath]

If anything he is still a threat due to scouting and the poking potential

[woeful hemlock]

I need him

[wary lagoon]

He is weak

[wary lagoon]

Im a heavy gamma user. Just keeping eyes on people is my personal role

[vivid surge]

I want Hawks to feel playable, that's really all I want

I'm so tired man, I really am

[wispy heath]

Meanwhile...

Just for reference on the down power versus damage

[woeful hemlock]

Scouting is only good if your teammates act upon it (as a ibara player f that) or I can capitalize on it personally

And his alpha … hot take is starting to go to tech Dabi tier…

[wispy heath]

At least Tech Dabi's has damage

[wary lagoon]

Imo a little special action buff, lil damage buff here an there. Hes fine

[wispy heath]

10 damage at 50 down power

You literally get 10 feathers before hard knockdown

100 damage

[wary lagoon]

Fun fact. Last patch shadownerfed the tracking so its worse now

[vivid surge]

can confirm as a tech dabi main 😭 I wanted to pick up Hawks as a second main but yeesh I am fighting a WAR

[wispy heath]

And that's if the enemy isn't doing anything to make themselves more defensive btw

[wary lagoon]

110 if you got tuning

[woeful hemlock]

She’s not really a fair comparison

That’s like all she has going for her

[vivid surge]

yeah no like, I will gladly eat this up 😭

[woeful hemlock]

Same

I haven’t even played him in his playable state

[wispy heath]

I am saying even a low tier alpha like hers is stronger overall

[vivid surge]

oh same lol, I got him on his rerun 💀

[wispy heath]

Hawks has dropped so far off on alpha DPS that it's kind of shocking

[wary lagoon]

I'll stand by the alpha buff i mentioned a long time ago.

[vivid surge]

the game really gave me the middle finger

[woeful hemlock]

The tech Dabi alphas, when they do hit they’re slow insidious killers…

The damage slowly racks up till you’re running for your life

[vivid surge]

you made good balance changes even if the numbers could be tweaked a little in reality, but they were thought out

[wary lagoon]

The strike hawks build can still pull a 190 beta but you need to have strike team, strike card and revenge strike going. It too much. Especially with people just rolling. His beta is so predictable now.

[wispy heath]

Tech Dabi fireballs

[wary lagoon]

Now they need to be changed because I posted it before his last few patches

[woeful hemlock]

Low tier? The only thing holding it back is the travel time in my opinion?

[wispy heath]

Well yea but the potency per alpha with no chance to ruin an ally's combo?

[wary lagoon]

Tech Dabis fire goes faster/slow depending on aiming and work better if you lead the shots vs hold the aim on the target.

[vivid surge]

Oh yeah, for sure, but the premise of them were very good

[wispy heath]

But Hawks' alpha not only has the same role as any beamer, but he does it worse

You're basically screaming "Hey I'm over here!"

[wary lagoon]

Mic can out range him as well and denki is a shut down character for hawks

[vivid surge]

I never use tech dabi's alpha unless I have to, it's not a priority for me

Hawks' alpha? I easily will use it but man... the knockdown nd stuff HURTS

[wary lagoon]

The alpha is best pair gamma alpha or beam alpha into a wake up

Sometimes if someone gets thrown back ill just prefire alpha on them because the iframes run out eventually

[vivid surge]

playing Hawks on USJ is a blessing a a curse; bc while it helps, stuff gets in my way so much it hurts

[wary lagoon]

Its just a shame that to get max damage out of hawks is
Gamma alpha melee x2 or 3 gamma beta 😭

This isn't street fighter

[vivid surge]

trying to melee and lol there's the wall 🥀

[wary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/red-vs-blue-not-my-fault-someone-put-a-wall-in-my-way-caboose-worst-throw-gif-10884560621658102280

[vivid surge]

sums it up well 😭

[wary lagoon]

I love to pair this and marks "and I did everything I could- why are you still here?" Lmao

[vivid surge]

very accurate for sure

I have to waste every move I can think of on Hawks and it gets exhausting and I feel liek I don't have to do that w Dabi as much. Again, could be experience, but like 😭

[wispy heath]

Honestly, I think if I'm going to make a build on Hawks it will be a Fixer Melee Attack Power build w/ Embrittlement

There is no point trying to elevate his poor skill damage

[vivid surge]

atp I'm wanting assault ochako data for space hop so I can like.. avoid wasting stuff in my kit 😭 save it for when I need it

[wispy heath]

Well maybe Iron Fists since Assault Shigaraki needs to be boosting

...How many Melee attack power+ skills are there actually?

• Rapid Might
• Assault Shigi
  ???

There is a striker that has it but I can't think of who

Ah yes Strike Shigaraki too

[woeful hemlock]

Back

[woeful hemlock]

I meant slow as in movement…

[woeful hemlock]

Ohhhhh well to when it comes to combos, I normally just gamma but that is a genuine problem

[wary lagoon]

I have an embrittlement iron build and its alright but the sub tunings need work. The basic cyber is 2 of each color but the one I picked is like all green 😭

The damage is decent but he is hurting on defense.

[vivid surge]

Hawks only having like, what? 3 PURS? is hurting me because I can't have a good variety of builds

[woeful hemlock]

The only reason I ever use Hawks Alpha is when I have literally nothing else to do cause everything else is on cool down

[wary lagoon]

A lot of the sub tunings are bad

Like one of his builds has max green slots. Like why

[vivid surge]

this is insanely painful 💔

[woeful hemlock]

It’s used by me to put pressure on people like when I have nothing else to do

[vivid surge]

I thought dabi having an outfit w 5 green slots was bad 😭

or whatever the number was I forgot not

[woeful hemlock]

Some people try to play a little bit more far back and don’t come to your beta and gamma

[vivid surge]

I never want to use my beta as Hawks anymore bc I get punsihed for it so it isn't worth it

but I don't have a choice half the time

[wispy heath]

Like... I think the biggest problem is a character like Assault Ochaco is inherently designed to "win"

If she's using alpha, the projectile generates as she's being hit to always make it a trade

If she used gamma, she has enough time to wakeup from any knockback and hit you with an alpha

Beta is 50/50 on if you can hit and trade your own beta with her

Now good luck winning the numbers game in the damage department

[wary lagoon]

i dont think i've ever won the trade with her beta. it's hit box is bigger 😔

[woeful hemlock]

Can you show me examples of these combos? I wanna see them

And failed to do them in training range

I’m still trying to fit in a air melee with my health gamma combo

[woeful hemlock]

She also has mobility compareable to ours

[wispy heath]

Ehhh it's not the mobility tbh

It's just the tradeoff she gets EVERY. TIME.

[wary lagoon]

hold on i got a video in here somewhere

[woeful hemlock]

I know, but it still feels like a knife in the back

Like on top of that, she has that

This is the least rapid, rapid I’ve ever played

[wispy heath]

Twice

[woeful hemlock]

he has no short movement

[wispy heath]

He does, but it costs his special action bar a bit

[woeful hemlock]

Which is an insane ask

[wispy heath]

jump > dash > air melee

If anything, burning his whole special action and then using that time to heal up is just the main approach

[woeful hemlock]

You know how kurogiri has to spend his mobility to deal INSANE damage

Well, Hawks has to do that just to do what every other rapid does easier

[wispy heath]

Well Hawks has to spend his mobility to deal damage

[woeful hemlock]

And that’s just move

[wary lagoon]

here @woeful hemlock its a little outdated damage wise but combos still work

[woeful hemlock]

And I’ve tried that multiple times, but people catch up really quickly

[woeful hemlock]

Is that final combo true? Also, do I need electrification?

[wary lagoon]

man should i just make a video on hawks at this point? 😭 i love helping ppl but i just dont think it would be watched

[wispy heath]

What?

[woeful hemlock]

No one plays him… T-T

I can’t think of a less played character at the moment

[wispy heath]

Electrification... Hawks?

https://tenor.com/view/confused-bakugo-gif-15769895006038238518

[wary lagoon]

electric helps confirm combos but no. i dont use it as often

@glossy cypress mains sister eletric

[wispy heath]

I mean I understand you're the Hawks gal/dude and all

[wary lagoon]

gal

lol

[woeful hemlock]

Let her cook

[wispy heath]

Then again Hawks used to have the DPS to justify.

[wary lagoon]

i run crushing pu and revenge strike or sister gp more

[wispy heath]

Sisterly Embrittling will likely be my one and only until I find that fixer build eventually

[woeful hemlock]

Revenge strike is too risky. Imo

Kendo can do that damage in one ability

Same with all might

[wary lagoon]

sister embrit is like his main build. i only stopped running it because ppl kept saying it was no skill 😭 then i made the 350 beta build but his last nerf its like a 200 beta? idk i havent ran it

[wary lagoon]

its best with GP sucker

[woeful hemlock]

Still kind of risky

[wary lagoon]

it is

[woeful hemlock]

Because he’s so easy to shut down

I genuinely don’t think I’ve died to a Hawks player yet

[wary lagoon]

you need to be confident in single target aggression

[wary lagoon]

is that a challange lmao

im joking! 😭

[woeful hemlock]

Not when characters can do this

Apparently, he could’ve killed me here

If he did a single slam

[wary lagoon]

aizawa slam with fixer can go 250+

so yes

[woeful hemlock]

Bird cage

Also, this character has armor on all of her attacks

[wary lagoon]

its prob his top build. like if i had to list the top 3 Hawks builds?
Wind gen Sis/Embr
Para Sis/GP
Wind gen heat GP/strike

[wary lagoon]

IT has endless ammo until it hits. i hate it😭 her alpha bug is also driving me crazy now

[woeful hemlock]

Shhhhhhhhhhh we don’t talk about gamma ammo…

And yeah, I hate the alpha bug too

[wispy heath]

In your opinion, what do you think of Default Cyberpunk for Iron Fist/Embrittlement?

[woeful hemlock]

I don’t even try to do it and I do it accidentally

Cursed by knowledge…

[wispy heath]

It might make his damage almost on par with solely Embrittlement in the past

[glossy cypress]

Correction, I used to main sisterly electric

After sisterly got nerfed I switched to GP rvg strike

Electrification is still a ton of fun tho

[wary lagoon]

If that is the build you want, it is way better than the other Cyber build that can run it.

i did run a game with the build and the buffs to help. but i was also using a strike card for more damage ontop of the buffs

[wary lagoon]

heehehe converted to strike hawks

[glossy cypress]

Yup xD

[wary lagoon]

been running into monoma and ibara combos abusing it

[wary lagoon]

i wish i had clips of me running it but it was such a recent swap i got nothing. it wasn't bad for playing aggressive. just remember ya dont have that extra defense

[woeful hemlock]

You do not know the terror of a monoma hitting you once knowing you’ve doomed the lobby

Like it’s not fun to just have my character without any of the downsides

[wary lagoon]

take them out fast 😭

[woeful hemlock]

Since all of her abilities lock you in place most monoma just go to the skybox and shoot Alpha down with nothing I can do

[woeful hemlock]

Two things:

1: no mobility and a mobility creep meta

2: what, I’m learning from this gameplay. I should be going a lot farther away before. Trying another beta swing

[wary lagoon]

monoma is one of few characters ill target off spawn

[woeful hemlock]

I circle people like…

…a hawk…

[wispy heath]

Hawks at least can combo pretty well at 1/1/1, so it's a matter of lacking DPS

[woeful hemlock]

Me, but shiggy and afo players

[wary lagoon]

it works but it makes ya predictable. i like to use it to climb then decide if i want to swoop for a beta or cancel and gamma or alpha

[wary lagoon]

understandable. strike shiggy is the worse late game

[woeful hemlock]

Can you blame me for the character Who’s named Hawks? T-T

[woeful hemlock]

They get free value and space off of one button

[woeful hemlock]

And with that knowledge, it’s time to go in and waste three more trial tickets

[wary lagoon]

oh i get it lol a lot of ppl do it

[woeful hemlock]

This character is beta is like the most obvious and telegraph move in existence

Talking about after you hit it and then free flight by the way

[wary lagoon]

its easy to punish i try to make it less obvious 😭 sometimes it works sometimes it dont

[woeful hemlock]

Died in the first few minutes

[wary lagoon]

@wispy heath so basic cyber you can do Iron and Sister. if you want Embrt you gotta use the green one but the green slots... ugh it works just not the best

[wispy heath]

Oh right the Cyberhero has that assault villain

And the assault hero

rip

[wary lagoon]

yep

im so tired of the hero and vil locked slots

[woeful hemlock]

Feel free to laugh

[wary lagoon]

mirio 😭 you were doing so good its okay 🫂

[woeful hemlock]

I should’ve left a long time ago

Or at least rolled the mirio

But when I noticed I needed to roll I was already too late

Kill me

I want to die

End my suffering

How do I even play this character in this meta?

[wary lagoon]

can't win them all 😔 i was so tired in this lmao normally im more energetic

[woeful hemlock]

Are you a streamer or something?

[wary lagoon]

yes 😭 community creator here actually

also the video oddly didnt cap discord lmao so it sounds like im talking to myself. i was not 😭

[woeful hemlock]

I don’t watch twitch stream, but I normally at least follow people to help engagement

[wary lagoon]

i do not promote my stuff lol its all good

i just like to help ppl if i can

[woeful hemlock]

9 out of 10 avatar but 3 out of 10 music 💔

[wary lagoon]

lmao normally i dont have music on

song is from Trigun

in a phase i think

i've got in game music off to help listen to movement. same with Mic. i got him turned off

[woeful hemlock]

Glass bones and paper skin…

[woeful hemlock]

I probably should too, but it’s weird having nothing in the background

And I wouldn’t know if people got kota if it weren’t for Mic

[wary lagoon]

True, i don't really go for Kota. if we get him cool if not eh. that kid has gotten me killed so much lmao but it is a good audio queue.

this game does small audio queues so well

[woeful hemlock]

Sometimes

Because skill don’t have different voice lines

And sometimes they even have the same sound effects

[wary lagoon]

its more so if you go to use a skill and its on reload. "Not ready yet" is one of hawks no ammo lines. those small queues are nice. or if your looking for someone and hear "I got you" you know someone is trying to pick up a teammate near you. can help place hawks gamma better to mark an area.

[woeful hemlock]

Counterpoint…

Twice

[wary lagoon]

what about twice?

[woeful hemlock]

“Got any recovery items? I’m fully stocked!!!”

[wary lagoon]

oh lmao

compress item call out is also bad "ill be taking that" as he pings an item for someone

[woeful hemlock]

also shinso voice lines just being incomplete

[wary lagoon]

older clip but sometimes hunting based on sound is a bad idea. because i thought this was the mirio trying to heal

[wary lagoon]

if he is on your team you can see and hear them now but if he emotes in the lobby bro is silent

find it so funny

[supple dust]

me cameo

[wary lagoon]

Always lol

Duo

[coarse lintel]

What happens when you finish all of the special in mhur?

I just got all might today from it

[supple dust]

that’s it

you’re done with it

[wary lagoon]

i was thinking about it-

[faint bear]

replace kota with iron fist and imo this is his best build

u get so much extra hp & shields from fixer it lowkey makes up for not having sisterly

and iron fist makes up for his lost dmg

[woeful hemlock]

Time for my daily Hawks matches

[brittle brook]

It's only 5% it's not making up for anything 🥀

[faint bear]

wait the dmg increase is only 5%????

[brittle brook]

Yes

[faint bear]

wtf

such a scam, ima use willpower instead lol

[brittle brook]

Good choice, tho kota finder isn't bad either.
Idk why they didn't make iron fist at least 10%

[faint bear]

just gotta get lucky with the drops🥲

[wary lagoon]

Sisterly and Embrittlement feedback is why iron fist was heavily nerfed before it dropped. Before it was released it was 50% to mirror Sisterly.

I understand pulling it back some but revenge strike outclasses it

however Iron fist and embrittlement is okay

[wary lagoon]

@alpine basalt if you need any Hawks advice this is the best place to check in. Lot of good players in here for tips, tricks, and builds

[alpine basalt]

You're right thanks cuz I do want to make this character work

[wispy heath]

I really wish Hawks didn't feel so... Weak.

Gotta mag dump the entire alpha just to KO a downed person

[wary lagoon]

It leaves ya so exposed as well to stand and hold it

[wispy heath]

Oh, and don't forget it'd require 4 gammas to KO a downed enemy too

So your only really fast option is beta, but if you're using your entire beta for a single downed person it's not gonna be available for literally anything else

[wary lagoon]

TTK is just the same I think for beta or the other skills because you cant rapidly swing. He has that pause between animations

Its just dumb overall

[wispy heath]

Yup; almost lost to bots because I don't have a feasible TTK

[wary lagoon]

Not asking for a big buff but like something man

[wispy heath]

Oh, and maybe an adjustment to the Shinso special action interaction for Endeavor and Hawks

(Note; Hawks was still brainwashed, so he attempts to "sprint" to the position he was brainwashed at, but just flies in circles continuously)

[vivid surge]

I had to disengage earlier from a conversation bc of "Hawks is still good bc of his melee" stuff. And the "melee into beta" stuff like dude, most average players aren't pulling that off 😭

If you're a more skilled player, sure, but it's not that easy to do for most

[wary lagoon]

PLEASE 😭 this happens to me so much its hilarious but dude just let it drop him from the air or something

[wary lagoon]

People need to go play kendo and learn her melee before continuing to hound on Hawks

[wispy heath]

Bruh the damage on that combo is like... Decent at best

[vivid surge]

Every time someone says stuff like that, I lose a braincell/multiple braincells

[wispy heath]

Like... Look at someone like Strike Shoto

[vivid surge]

Apparently its bc of embrit that people are complaining about that combo

But even then it's nuts that they choose to complain about that

[wary lagoon]

Crazy nerf hawks

[wispy heath]

I accidentally looked at his gamma funny so I take 165 damage

And then I get hit for 250+ beta

[wary lagoon]

I dont understand why hawks isnt allowed to have a strong move

Why are we capped at 125

[vivid surge]

Hawks has counters!! Multiple!!

[wary lagoon]

When others have moves at base do 200

[wispy heath]

I think the devs realized that it's "possible" to hit 2 gammas in a row on HP enemies if they're high enough in the air

[vivid surge]

He can just be grabbed and tossed around like a ragdoll it feels like now

[wispy heath]

So therefore being able to hit for 260 potentially might be unfair, so they nerf it to 100

[wary lagoon]

But other characters can do this

[vivid surge]

Problem is, a lot of characters can tod you

Like why do we even have tods?? They gotta go

[wispy heath]

Ah right, and don't forget the down power. Having Hawks set at a high knockback keeps things fair ya know? No cheesy team combos, keeping things clean...

Ochaco Gamma > Mic Gamma + Electrification > Ochaco held alpha

Now that's a Hawks melee level threat

[wary lagoon]

I wish people played a character before complaining about him

Because yes you might get KO by a hawks. At this point that player is very skilled on that character because Hawks players have had to adapt so much. That doesn't call for a nerf.
Anyone deciding to pick up Hawks to try him out has quickly learned he isn't the best.

[wispy heath]

It's more of the fact that people will whine about a character needing nerfs, then still die to said character and whine it wasn't enough. I can still dominate with Hawks or Momo, even after their nerfs.

[wary lagoon]

People get mad at Hawks for running his best tuning builds is like getting mad at a Pokémon having its best ability

[wispy heath]

"Ughhh Blaziken with speed boost is so unfair"

Like yea you wanna run Blaze instead?

[wary lagoon]

Lmao

Exactly like you're going to want to be running the best ya can

[wispy heath]

Even WITH tuning Hawks is not going to have a good time thanks to the existence of all the meta counterpicks

[vivid surge]

I have to refrain from telling people its a skill issue if you die to a bird

[wispy heath]

It's a skill issue for all of the people who get read by my cannons

[vivid surge]

But at some point I get fed up and give in. And im speaking as someone who has a skill issue too 😭

[wary lagoon]

Its hard to get a melee off sometimes and is more risky than rewarding

[wispy heath]

I'm firing at freaking WALLS, why are you hugging them so much?

[wispy heath]

Honestly, I don't find the melees too hard to land in this game for a lot of my characters.

[vivid surge]

I have better success in bot lobbies/crossplay off when I play Hawks than I do in crossplay on lobbies

[wispy heath]

The roll spam however...

[vivid surge]

It's genuinely sad bc I feel like I can actually play him that way

[wary lagoon]

Im constantly put against a character like Denki or Kendo. People Hawks shouldn't get close to.

[wispy heath]

You forgot the biggest threat to Hawks melee; Assault Ochaco

[wary lagoon]

Ive seen less of her thank god but yeah

[wispy heath]

If she uses either version of her gamma, it WILL generate the moment she touches her hand on the floor

Automatic alpha punish

[vivid surge]

I dont see assault ochako when I play Hawks much, but always when I play Dabi

[wary lagoon]

Those 3 especially on a team it might as well be over

[wispy heath]

Or you look at a character like Rapid Might and it's just... Wow he actually hurts

And I didn't have to use 2 whole skills to get the job done

[vivid surge]

Yeah so what 😭 that's insane

Hawks never needed to be hit as hard as he did and I stand by this statement even if i get crucified for it

[wary lagoon]

Melee into Alpha and melt

Like im not the best rapid might but I can delete people and turn my brain off.

[wary lagoon]

200+ gamma is nice. Like it tracks better in the air as well

[wispy heath]

Remember, Hawks' 10-19 damage alphas have 50 down power

[wary lagoon]

Yep

[wispy heath]

Also, Rapid Might's alpha has piercing (can go through multiple enemies) and has a sort of AOE to it.

[wary lagoon]

Because of how Hawks got nerfed. I would love to see them cut Rapid might alpha down

They won't

[wispy heath]

Also, isn't the travel distance + projectile speed just better?

[wary lagoon]

But love to see it

[wary lagoon]

I think so

[wispy heath]

Too soon, give it another season or 2 until he's no longer FOMO. Plus the playerbase has come to the consensus that Assault > Rapid

[wary lagoon]

Assault has just been out longer. Im convinced ppl dont know how to play rapid might

Because he is good

[wispy heath]

Yea as long as All Might is within melee range the gamma will suck you in

[vivid surge]

It's funny seeing people complain about dumb stuff like please, pick up other characters for once

[wary lagoon]

I go and play another character before pulling the nerf card

[vivid surge]

Me playing tech shoto the other day 😭 he still is insanely strong (I mean yeah it was a bot lobby but like...)

[wary lagoon]

I suggest anyone struggling to fight a character should do the same. Can't fight Kendo? Go play her. Learn her moves. Learn the openings then try again. If you still can't hold your own? She is prob a bit over tuned.

[vivid surge]

We have a few examples of characters that you dont even need to play and you just know they need nerfs (Mic)

But Hawks is in a state where I just cannot justify him getting another nerf

[wary lagoon]

After the bird who cake walked me when I was on hawks last night? I can see why ppl would say nerfs but im like 90% sure he had movement hacks

[wispy heath]

Of course they were a sitting duck though

[wary lagoon]

He had what felt like infinite special action because mine ran out and bro was still going. I special after him and he still still had it

[wispy heath]

You can usually tell when the enemy Hawks didn't manage their special action since you both literally have the same move

If they were outpacing you even though they were using it far more often, they were probably being subtle with cheating

Not sure why they'd be subtle since we all know there's no real punishment for them

[vivid surge]

Ouch 😭 but yeah they had that one coming for being right there too. It happens though

[wispy heath]

I think this clip is a better representation of Mic being super strong

[wary lagoon]

He was flying in a straight line and I took off after him. I ran out first. I was full special. We should of been the same distance. When he did fall he touched the ground once and then took off again like is special was instantly reloaded.

But I was also tired

[wispy heath]

Hang on, I just realized the 1st gamma never even triggered electrification

[wary lagoon]

Maybe I was just slow 🤷‍♂️

[wispy heath]

So that gamma punch "hit" Kaminari without triggering it

[vivid surge]

Oh for sure, bc ouch I would hate to be them. I dont enjoy fighting him w Hawks at all

[wispy heath]

Beta counters close quarters, and then good luck outgunning him in an alpha battle

[vivid surge]

Its a painful fight for sure

[woeful hemlock]

How do i fight a momo?

I just got tortured the entire game and HAD to win a heal off against her

I couldn’t beat her once

Let alone get the advantage

What do I do?

[flat leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[woeful hemlock]

What about strike kendo then?

[flat leaf]

again u dont

As hawks not really

[vivid surge]

I can't fight strike kendo w hawks, and I certainly can't fight her w tech dabi 😭

strike kendo is a menace

[woeful hemlock]

what about rapid all might…

[flat leaf]

Strike kendo and momo do so much damage so quickly its hard to fight them as hawks unless u just stay back

[woeful hemlock]

What about the guy I just died to tech denki

[wary lagoon]

Tech Denki is Hawks hard counter and shut down.

[woeful hemlock]

Can this guy fight anybody?!?!?!?!

[wary lagoon]

uh Mirio

[woeful hemlock]

Anyone can punch a baby

I’m the best at it

[wary lagoon]

So for Momo's i bait them into using their beta, jump over and then beta them from behind. you want to play mid range mostly. gamma and alphas. dont push into a building or they will gamma and alpha you. her alpha has range and can knock hawks out of his beta easily.

[woeful hemlock]

I didn’t struggle hitting them with beta start anything after that they just

Hit me with a singular alpha…

they almost take all my gp in a singular alpha string combos aside

And even out in the open there’s not much I can do

[wary lagoon]

Strike kendo you fall back when she has beta up as it can track to you. the second she lunges forward is when i strike her. small openings. so im going for a melee or a gamma/alpha then into a melee/beta. most of fighting a kendo, assault or strike, is kiting her around and looking for an opening as they both like to hold up their shield like attacks.

[woeful hemlock]

A singular alpha…

[wary lagoon]

tech denki i struggle with. like head on hawks will lose. best way to win is jump him before he hits you

[wary lagoon]

she cant alpha when holding her beta

[woeful hemlock]

(WHY DOES IT STUN!!)

[woeful hemlock]

if

If she decides to hold beta

Any other time she can just snuff your approach

[wary lagoon]

most of the kendos i see do hold it as it does more damage at a lower %

[woeful hemlock]

Or your escape

[wary lagoon]

they want you to hit them so so bad

like monoma

[woeful hemlock]

I’m not talking about the ones who were genuinely stupid

I’m talking about the ones who know to use their whole kit

She’s unapproachable with her alpha and gamma

And she has better mobility

[woeful hemlock]

They are a problem if they have the skills they want

Most of the time they’re not starving for anything hawks has

[wary lagoon]

i wouldn't say that. she still takes damage so you gamma/alpha her and if you come down from above you can beta into her gamma but it's risky as she gets armor in it.

fighting any kendo is just kiting but she is hard like the win rate to her on hawks is low

[woeful hemlock]

I could low-key bet money the beta’ing her gamma does not work

And why is it unapproachable? if she sees you’re dead

If a “good” (aka semi decent) one wants you dead you’re dead

This character can’t do anything about stuns and armor

Genuine pain

[wary lagoon]

i've beta her gamma from above so im just speaking from experience but it did like 50 damage so its not worth it and didnt knock her out of it. thats why long range is better to push with. gamma/alpha

fighting anyone after Nejire release on Hawks is just hard. everyone out damages him.

they wont nerf his melee so they made it so every character prevents him from getting close to melee

his best role is to be a scout, observe and take down a runner.

[woeful hemlock]

There’s not much out ranging… whatever tf this is…

This is a genuine combination of every single archetype

The quirk singularity theory personified

The golden child

The zenith of all characters

[woeful hemlock]

I hate that I love this character

He feels so good to play, but he’s a victim to everybody

I can’t plan them for more than three times a day

[wary lagoon]

cant win every fight unfortunately

i hope Hawks get some form of buff soon but not expecting it

[woeful hemlock]

I feel like there should be a way to at least win every fight not just be put in a matchup where you’re doomed to die

But that’s my hero ultra rumble

[woeful hemlock]

Not with the hate he still has at the moment… what is going on

We just have to wait like a year and a half or so for him to become an underdog character like tech Dabi

[wary lagoon]

ppl cant let go of season 7 but fail to realize we have much worse characters in the game. like if we got prime hawks back? no one would notice because tuning and other characters that are genially just stronger.

[woeful hemlock]

He would just be present mic

Overly strong and annoying, but still, nobody plays him

[wary lagoon]

mic came out the same time as hawks. we see less of him because hawks is more popular so ppl didnt roll on mic

mic has not gotten any nerfs as Hawks has gotten EVERY nerf after s7

[woeful hemlock]

I mean, he’s not as bad as some other characters right now

I think that’s going to continue to happen with this track record so he won’t be a problem in peoples eyes

[wary lagoon]

imo give hawks 300hp and call it a day

Ochako is and AM have it

[woeful hemlock]

Actually, why does ochaco have that much hp?

I understand all might because he doesn’t have as much mobility as other rapids and has a bigger hit box

[wary lagoon]

no idea tbh because she is hard to hit. usually if a character is hard to hit they get less hp like Mirio and froppy

[woeful hemlock]

You’re telling me that child has 300???

[wary lagoon]

hawks having 250 was fine when he was fast and had his mobility but now? nah

[woeful hemlock]

also, has those big wings

I cannot hide at all with this character

[wary lagoon]

like Rapid AM is a big character visually with a big hit box. his HP being 300 is fine. (Body size 4) Rapid Ochako is a small character who is fast with 300 hp (Body size 2)

Hawks is body size 3 now his wings are NOT a hit box but DO give him away. they clip in buildings and poke out of bushes. he has 250HP

the math aint mathing

[woeful hemlock]

Who has a body size one?

[woeful hemlock]

All I’m saying is if they nerf this character again, next patch in like a week

I might just retire from playing him

[wary lagoon]

i don't think anyone? i thought froppy because she is so low all the time but no she is a 2. im guessing it would be Kota but he isn't a player.

[woeful hemlock]

I love him and his gameplay but at this point he’s just becoming a ticket sink with no upsides

[woeful hemlock]

I really hope mineta doesn’t get added…

[wary lagoon]

Hawks should just be free now. like free to new players because his nerf... no one is really rolling for him. like it was wild they did his biggest nerf RIGHT before his banner dropped on reruns. they shot themselves in the foot with that. learned because Nejire got a buff before her rerun

[woeful hemlock]

At least free for character tickets so I have something to aim for

But he’s too popular to be free free

[vivid surge]

I feel so ripped off w them nerfing Hawks before his rerun when I wanted him since s7 because I love him so much 😭 then they hit him again after for some reason like ???

I don't want him to be busted, but I definitely don't like where he currently is at

[woeful hemlock]

Hawks after the update

[vivid surge]

LOL how it feels though honestly 😭

[wary lagoon]

the last nerf he got i really think it was because we started doing the strike builds with 300+ betas. but it only worked with a strike team and set up.

[vivid surge]

the problem is people started doing that for a reason

[woeful hemlock]

Now you don’t need either all you need is a strike kendo

[wary lagoon]

like you had to be beta 9, have a strike card, have 2 strike teammates, have revenge strike on, have embrittlement and shiggy SpA on the target THEN you hit 350 beta

[vivid surge]

that's so many insane requirements to meet tbh

people act like "oh well it's free to do" NO!!

[woeful hemlock]

You can hit up to a max of 559 with kendo gamma and the right set up

Although wildly unrealistic with any part of that set up, it’s still crazy

You still hit crazy numbers

[wary lagoon]

i haven't even tried it post nerf because i got 190 at a point when old damage he was hitting 260 at that marker and it made me sick

[woeful hemlock]

Hear me out

[vivid surge]

the fact people can easily hit those numbers for free pains me

[woeful hemlock]

PU power intensified and crushing pu charge

[wary lagoon]

i started testing the damage numbers like i do every patch but just felt unmotivated because all it seems to do is want ppl to nerf it again

[wary lagoon]

cant

hawks has no double reds

[woeful hemlock]

What about the rapid Bakugo one?

[vivid surge]

they won't ever give him double red bc they KNOW people would complain

[wary lagoon]

nope

blue slot is Villain

you can crushing and gp sucker

or rapidgo and revenge stike

thats it

[woeful hemlock]

What about the Allmight tuning instead?