Hawks

[wary lagoon]

Because if so that's hilarious

[main fulcrum]

Well not the first thing but i looked in my inbox and saw that you posted on your story so naturally i got curious and was so surprised 😭

I was like WAIT THATS ME

[wary lagoon]

Lmao 😂

Ive got another clip as well

[main fulcrum]

Omg do show

[wary lagoon]

😂

I didn't know what to do with it so its just in folder

But I was actually wheezing

[main fulcrum]

I had to uplive the shigafreaki name

[flat leaf]

Why he say it like that

[main fulcrum]

that feels good..... REALLY good.... 😛😛😛😛😛

[dusty jasper]

...

[tropic estuary]

I'm crying 😭 😂

[woeful hemlock]

Genuine question what was s7 hawks like

Every time I hear about him i think of this image

[meager kelp]

s7 hawks single handedly defined a meta

its been 4 seasons since he left the trails of destruction in his wake
and he has received 7 nerfs since then and is still viable

[coarse lintel]

That's nice

[meager kelp]

the hatred we would feel towards monoma, assault ochako, and shinso today combined still would not even reach half of the toxicity from when prime hawks came out

[woeful hemlock]

CAN EVERYONE STOP TALKING IN VAUGES

WTF DID HE ACTUALLY DO

[meager kelp]

you know his beta swing
it used to do like 180 per swing and at max he has three attempts to hit someone with his beta
and once he goes in to flying mode he could swing like 6 times in one charge

so he could squad wipe easily with almost no risk

[woeful hemlock]

So was it just his beta that was the problem?

[meager kelp]

his special action got nerfed 3 times since his release

his special action used to be like 3x longer

and allowed him to carry himself like to the other side of the map and back

[woeful hemlock]

that’s just monoma

[meager kelp]

yea but hawks could carry another person while doing that

[woeful hemlock]

Tbh I’ll take it over a momo gamma, kurogiri beta, cementoss alpha monoma (true story)

[woeful hemlock]

compress

[meager kelp]

🖐️ 🤚

you just had to be there

[wary lagoon]

Lmao nah fr people treat it like it's 911. Damage values his beta was 190 and he could fly longer.

[woeful hemlock]

I take everything back

This is the devil

From the Bible https://youtu.be/xCeirwsnwzo?si=OJ_ONvTHBo4fB1Hg

[meager kelp]

you also gotta take in to account that this was season SEVEN
this was before the community got used to broken new characters

the character that came out before hawks was OVERHAUL

[wary lagoon]

Now we have tuning and more broken characters but they still want hawks nerfed

[meager kelp]

its because jp never got passed hawks

they still hate him in to the ground

[wary lagoon]

Jp have hackers on hawks

That run him with prime damage and no cooldowns

Thats the problem

[woeful hemlock]

There are just characters I hate no matter how weak they are ()

hawks isn’t one of them

They just be clipping yalls wings for funsies now

[meager kelp]

tis the life of a hawks player tbh

they just keep losing

[wary lagoon]

A good Hawks player can still pull in KOs and do fine. It just really is punishing NEW players for trying him out.

[woeful hemlock]

It wasn’t 911 it was the inciting incident to something

Much…

Much…

Worse…

[meager kelp]

yea hawks was the assassination of Franz Ferdinand

[wary lagoon]

Thank god Monoma can't take people Special actions.

[meager kelp]

dont jinx it

[woeful hemlock]

When it comes to patch notes yeah

But it could always be worse for yall ()

[meager kelp]

one thing about hawks tho that theyve never really touched

is that his melee is kept mostly intact

the best melee chain in the entire game

[woeful hemlock]

Tried him once and died to a aim god on assault deku

[wary lagoon]

Sounds about right ngl 😅

[meager kelp]

lol

[wary lagoon]

When it works. My hawks like to melee in the opposite direction half the time or into walls 😭

[meager kelp]

lol yea the tracking they have on some chars melees 😭

[wary lagoon]

Hawks fr is like "oh shiny" and goes his own way

[woeful hemlock]

Are all contenders

[meager kelp]

those three are definitely close contenders

[woeful hemlock]

I almost said those 3 funny letters on first sight

Jesus wtf was that

[woeful hemlock]

I’d kill for ibara to have a better melee

[meager kelp]

ibaras melee is not bad honestly

[woeful hemlock]

It’s the slowest melee in the game with no forward carry

[meager kelp]

the range definitely makes up for it

[woeful hemlock]

There’s no reason to use it instead of gamma or beta

[meager kelp]

shes not really one to use aerial melees, and most of her other skills are just better at melee range

[woeful hemlock]

It’s so slow that if you whiff it your dead

[meager kelp]

ibara does have 400 hp tho

[woeful hemlock]

And it doesn’t have the hyper armor that the other 3 abilities have

[meager kelp]

but yea her beta really would just be better

[woeful hemlock]

You’d be surprised how little that matters sometimes

[meager kelp]

no i get it

ibaras melee isnt really one to be used in combos its kinda just there incase all your stuff are on cooldowns or you are facing an aizawa

you always have your beta and gamma for when people are close to you

her melee should never be the first option compared to some other characters like rapidgo or shinso/aizawa

i think just for that her current melee is not bad and does its job

[woeful hemlock]

I genuinely have never had both beta and gamma on cooldown at the same time

And You’d get gamma’ed by him before you even get a chance

[meager kelp]

hey thats what im saying

she never really has to use her melee regardless

so it being what it is, is alright

when you compare her melee to a lot of other characters its definitely drastically better

[woeful hemlock]

I mean this with no animosity whatsoever but genuinely go try the melee out for yourself. It’s not just pointless, but bad all together with the only one competing for the worse melee being monoma

[meager kelp]

i wont disagree on the monoma melee being bad lol its so painful
i get where you are coming from on ibara tho, i havent used her a lot and the few times i did her melee turned out to be pretty useful so theres where im basing majority of my opinions on

[tropic estuary]

A rong rong time ago...

[bleak flume]

Long before time had a name

[tropic estuary]

Before name had a time

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-master-nod-agree-beard-gif-17299924

[terse snow]

he was insanely frustrating

But the main issue is definitely the Beta, but his special action also enhances the unfairness of the character

Because not only was his special action longer, but I think it was also faster

So you know how monoma can spam his beta to dip out instantly? Hawks can do that even better, since his SA is instant and able to change trajectory however he likes

His alpha doing 23 damage per shot + very good tracking means if he doesn't like you, he can literally spin circle and swarm you with feathers and you had to be consistently rolling

Overall, being able to kill a S7 hawk just means they suck or got the character 1 day ago

[tropic estuary]

Tbf the only shi that was a problem with prime hawks was the stun on he's beta

Outside that
He was just there

He's SA was expected like c,mon he's a man with flipping wings

Alpha was rollable
Gamma was normal

Kendo hard countered prime hawks too

[terse snow]

what do you mean "counter"

[terse snow]

"He was just there"

[tropic estuary]

Hawks realistically can't do shi to kendo

Plus outside he's beta
He was just another rapid with projectiles

[terse snow]

You're talking about prime hawks right?

Like Season 7 Hawks?

[tropic estuary]

he's overexaggerated on

[terse snow]

more like you're understating him

[tropic estuary]

Part from the 180 beta with no knockback hitting you 3 times
What else was the problem

[terse snow]

Insane alpha tracking and high damage

[tropic estuary]

Wdym insane alpha tracking lol
He's current alpha tracking is still the same back then
And anyone with like a quarter of brain juice could roll it

It's only beneficial when u catch one off guard

[terse snow]

...were you there during season 7?

[tropic estuary]

Ofc I was there lmao

[terse snow]

I urge you to watch some hawks clips then

[tropic estuary]

Why would I repeat what I already did back then

[wary lagoon]

i had no problem fighting hawks in s7 and i was only there for 2 weeks

[tropic estuary]

I got him on launch and used him throughout the season
And fought other hawks
Sooo

[tropic estuary]

Outside he's beta dmg and beta stun
Hawks was just another rapid

[terse snow]

So you used hawks to fight other hawks?

[tropic estuary]

Hello!!! we forgetting ochako can delete 650hp no tuning of one float animation

[terse snow]

What rapid is on par with his mobility

[tropic estuary]

blud
I main hawks
OFC I DID XD

[terse snow]

that make sense

welp, no point in arguing

[tropic estuary]

Arguably SA ochako, lida gamma boosted ,

But

[terse snow]

Anyway, his alpha did get nerfed

It got shadow nerfed with the default tracking aside it

[wary lagoon]

it was one of the first nerfs he got

[terse snow]

fr?

huh

[late storm]

rapid?

Haven’t seen a combo that would let her do so much

Might be a thing if the guy never air recovered

Also hawks had that annoying auto tracking alpha that was super fast in how it shot out

He could just do fly bys with his SA and you’d lose a lot of your health before you even realised he was there

since pre hawks nerfs the final circles were just hawks sitting high up in the sky since they had so much airtime

[tropic estuary]

Dw I didn't the numbers
Her base combo does that lol

[late storm]

like vultures

[late storm]

?

[tropic estuary]

I don't understand ppl with these alpha tracking lmao 😂 did yall really struggle with that
That was like the least scariest part of him

[late storm]

No one struggled with that it was just unneeded and easy damage lol

You could just fly by unsuspecting people and get free damage

[tropic estuary]

Isn't that what we're facing with monoma n ochako atm

[late storm]

it deserved the nerf it got

[late storm]

neither Ochaco can go as high up in the sky as s7 hawks unless the assault one gets bugged to the top of the map

and most of the time that plants you outside the storm anyway

[tropic estuary]

I don't see the dmg nerf deserved anyway
Ochako lida twice can do the same but worse

[tropic estuary]

Her floating island!!!!

[late storm]

Dude a cementoss can build higher than that

That is absolutely not the same thing

[tropic estuary]

Besides hawks end zone was more detrimental than an advantage since he's SA makes him go horizontal and not vertical
He's gamma alone just stalls shi vertically

[late storm]

Sitting on a still piece of rock in the sky is not the same thing as hawks moving at super speed in circles 200 feet up in the air at max height limit

The former has waaaaay more counters

Mirio easily counters it, strike Bakugo, cementoss, etc

[tropic estuary]

Dunno bout yall
But the s7 hawks stuff is way overexaggerated

[late storm]

Did you play S7?

[late storm]

They didn’t do worse than s7 hawks but yes they deserve nerfs too.

[tropic estuary]

if i didn't play it
Then why would I be talking

[late storm]

S7 hawks was the most assuredly busted character they’ve ever released and it’s not even close

[tropic estuary]

Cuz of beta

[late storm]

Momoma is 2nd and CAN TOD

But most people will not know how to do that and you are not guaranteed to have the same quirks every game

Hitting beta with hawks was so easy

and so was the flick

and so was the follow up to the flick

[tropic estuary]

The beta was the issue
Anything outside was meh

For me at least

[late storm]

His alpha tracking deserved to be nerfed

His SA a bit, though not to its current extent

[terse snow]

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tropic estuary]

Skill issue If the alpha was an issue imo

[late storm]

the Alpha took no skill bro that is the issue

literally played the game for you

and that came out like rapid fire

Like I said, you could do fly bys

[tropic estuary]

Alotta stuff doesn't take skill in this game XD

[terse snow]

His SA was just too good, and he can use beta as a secondary escape

[late storm]

SA deserved a slight nerf but should’ve increased the time a bit of team carry’s to incentivise team play

[tropic estuary]

The man has wings 😂
Mirio has the best stall game in the entire game does that mean he's the best no
Having the best mobility doesn't mean your the best

My days

[late storm]

good thing he just did not have mobility then

he has the best melee chain combo in the entire game no contest

he had the best beta in the game no contest

he had one of the best SAs in the game no contest

[terse snow]

and All For One can fly in the show, and stockpile quirk. Why ain't he doing that?

[late storm]

he had top tier alpha and gamma and his alpha auto tracked

[tropic estuary]

Bcuz of the dmg and stun on it
Lol

[terse snow]

Game balance, as simple as that

"Man has wings"

what a sad excuse

[tropic estuary]

😂 yall cracking me up ong

The ptsd

[late storm]

combined with the ability to fly straight back into them yes

Yes the parts of the ability that make the ability make the ability powerful

[tropic estuary]

Wdym straight into then
That's the stun I'm talking abt

[late storm]

Beta 180 after the first hit

[tropic estuary]

The only factor that made the beta op was the stun it had
If it had the knockback of now
It won't be problematic

[late storm]

Can still do it now

And it wasn’t that hard to fly back into them after the flick either

just took longer

dude still had speed

[late storm]

and the damage

[tropic estuary]

I frame's bromano

U can roll into the beta

[late storm]

you didn’t get iframes back then

You got stunned

[tropic estuary]

Like😂 I genuinely wanna see how yall fight a hawks
I'm sure It'll be a funny watch

[late storm]

I played Aizawa that season so I had less trouble than most

But this downplaying of season 7 hawks is crazy

Who did you play in season 7?

I think I have a clue

[tropic estuary]

Nahh
Not downplay
But the exaggeration

No doubt he's the strongest on launch but still

Wait no monoma

[terse snow]

Monoma can get shut down by Aizawa

Hawks can still special action to escape

[tropic estuary]

I got the bird day 1 and used him to ace that szn brochaco
Oddly enough ppl were complaining to much of he's op ahh so I used strike baku from e2 to ace

[late storm]

just roll bro

[tropic estuary]

And deadass wasn't hard but wasn't too simple either

[late storm]

Damage was fine too obvs

[tropic estuary]

Notice how u got stunned
That was the problem

Nothing More

[late storm]

That isn’t me

The fact hitting him 3 times killed his entire health bar and gp wasn’t the problem?

[tropic estuary]

If u got knocked back u could've escaped easily

[late storm]

Like I said

This downplay is criminal

[terse snow]

Agreed

I understand you played Hawks during his prime

[tropic estuary]

dunno but to me
The community cries alot abt stuff so not my fault

[terse snow]

But you need to look at other player's perspective

[tropic estuary]

I understand

From my perspective he wasn't allat
But to others he was a god

[late storm]

I played hawks and even I understood this dude is god op

Put me off playing him

he would be perfect as he is now if his SA nerfs were reverted

[tropic estuary]

And vro is in plus ultra 🤣 ochaco would do the same

[late storm]

Ochaco is also a problem lol but it would take more than pressing 1 button to do that

and it also wouldn’t have mattered if that Bakugo was 20 feet in the air

if you were in the air at all you were literally free food for hawks

[tropic estuary]

There's no difference
Half of ochako players are above average so it don't matter the number of buttons to press

[late storm]

She would also be less harder to hit

[tropic estuary]

What matters is how your hp goes bye bye

[late storm]

That hawks is whizzing by

And Ochaco has a giant circle that shows you you’re about to get hit

She still deserves a nerf but I’m not going to accept comparing hawks beta to anything

That move alone in s7 is still the single best move to this day

not counting SAs

because kurogiri sa probably better

[tropic estuary]

That circle isn't where the hitbox is at you know

[terse snow]

If Rapid Ochaco had like 3 Gamma, then maybe she could be at hawks level

[tropic estuary]

A pU p mic with just beta gamma this guy and he's dead
Hope u know

Like I could show u a clip of how I got killed mid air against a hawks backthen

Just because I was knocked down

From the beta

It's funny

[late storm]

Another funny hawks s7 clip

Again not me, just going through the subreddit clips

[terse snow]

XD

[late storm]

This is called whataboutism

Yes, another character is also op

No, this does not invalidate hawks being op

[terse snow]

I do hate mic's beta + gamma combo

[late storm]

but I’m not even sure if mic beta gamma would kill there

I’m pretty certain it doesn’t

[tropic estuary]

lol and what's your point in this clip
He wasn't knocked back

[late storm]

I’ll go test it

[late storm]

Not sure what you mean

You’re saying S7 hawks wasn’t bad

I’m showing you clips of him being bad

Like yeah no duh his stun was the problem

So was the insane dmg and speed

[tropic estuary]

Speed
Fym speed
It's the same till date

[tropic estuary]

he was bad for most ppl

[wary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-hawks-gif-21469056

[tropic estuary]

But to mee meh
I could care less

[tropic estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-anime-mha-bnha-gif-17432463

[terse snow]

@late storm his past self hated hawks too

But now that Hawks is very balanced, I do want to get good at him

[late storm]

crazy

yeah bro actually just forgot about how powerful he was

[terse snow]

either he has amnesia or stockholm syndrome 🤣

[tropic estuary]

🤣 yooo
No way u stalked my text a year back
Dangggg , that's wierd of you but ok

Didn't know I was that glaze worthy

Ain't that deep anyway

[tropic estuary]

didn't forget
Just didn't understand the ptsd

[tropic estuary]

And these were first half of szn 7 too so I didn't understood how to fight him first 2 weeks to the szn

@wary lagoon since when did u play strike bakugo

[wary lagoon]

he was my main in S1 😭

my boy

[tropic estuary]

Dang

I never knew

[wary lagoon]

lmao yeah

[tropic estuary]

I only see u play hawks n red dabi
And maybe monoma

[wary lagoon]

Bakugo, both Dabis, Strike Shoto, Momo and Strike Shiggy are the ones i use outside of Hawks, Monoma i want to learn

[tropic estuary]

never seen u on momo too

[wary lagoon]

im rusty on her ngl

[wary lagoon]

I think i have a video posted of me on S Bakugo and one of T Dabi. But I don't blame you. Hawks is what im known for.

[wary lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288433411568177173/1364531641384570890/049cd0f47bd176833866f939796d7dd1.gif

[vivid surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-takami-keigo-gif-4825161185605555020

[flat leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-hawks-gif-21469056

[tropic estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-bnha-keigo-takami-mha-gif-18242346

[brittle brook]

"A second hawks beta hit the teammate"

[flat leaf]

Real

[main fulcrum]

HAWKS NATION HOW DID I DO

also i dont normally tbag or emote but it was an asschaco so she deserved it

[flat leaf]

Agree

[pallid cypress]

taco oh my gosh wheres your tag from ? I love it sm !!

[wary lagoon]

Its from my server lol I just made it like not that long ago

Was waiting to get the ability to make it

[wary lagoon]

I can send ya a link if ya want it.

[pallid cypress]

I wanted to do that js didn't know how n too lazy to figure it out 😭

[pallid cypress]

If you don't mind !

[wary lagoon]

Sent it to ya in dms 🫡

Its tied to server boost

[pallid cypress]

the emojis are so fire too you're a lifesaver thanks again 🙂‍↕️

[wary lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288433411568177173/1356178012411920425/tumblr_1813cbb09658482813a40c98b8914fad_d9d2a768_540.gif

Any time lol

enjoy

[pallid cypress]

will do 🫡

[flat leaf]

The bird gets out unscathed this patch notes
Can only hope it stays this way or he gets his wings back

[tropic estuary]

I wanna make mine too. How do you do it

[wary lagoon]

You need server boost and be on pc. Can't be done on mobile but it's just a setting in the tabs

[tropic estuary]

Dangit platformism

[main fulcrum]

I was hoping for a SA buff so bad 😭

I honestly dont mind where he is right now in terms of damage and such. just GIVE HIM HIS FLIGHT BACK

[wary lagoon]

Nah they gave the buffs to Aizawa

[wary lagoon]

We won't see a buff for probably 3 more seasons

Considering how little they changed between seasons and how other characters are more priorities than Hawks. I think they feel like if they do people will complain again.

But Neijre buff is interesting because it just undoes her nerf

[main fulcrum]

Yeah bro plenty of people complained about nejire

So why just ignore hawks

I dont get it

[brittle brook]

It doesn't bc it doesn't bring back her bs beta

[brittle brook]

Jp I reckon

[wary lagoon]

I'll never understand it 😭 I hate to sound sexist but they always treat female characters better than males. Sure momo got a nerf but it was because of Monoma abusing her cannons.

[main fulcrum]

SO WHY NOT JUST NERF MONOMA

[brittle brook]

Bc he still has his banner

[wary lagoon]

Jp always disliked hawks. Its actually crazy lol even if you look at the popularity polls he does better in America than Japan

[wary lagoon]

Because the skill isnt Monoma's its Momos. Same for Cementoss nerfs

[brittle brook]

I tht it was just in game...that's actually crazy

[main fulcrum]

im saying that they should just nerf monomas cooldowns if its that big of a problem tbh

[brittle brook]

It doesn't look like they changed the range tho... So can't he still just camp the skybox?

For cementoss I mean

[main fulcrum]

i was hoping for some type of hawks change this patch

[brittle brook]

I think that'd take a bit longer

[main fulcrum]

like ANYTHING would have been welcome. even if it was just an extra second for his flight time 😭

[main fulcrum]

they need to hurry it up fr

[brittle brook]

And if kendo tuning is broken just expect it to never happen atp

[main fulcrum]

why do you say that

[wary lagoon]

Monoma needs an increased % taken from his Special. And the skills he takes should a) vanish once they run out of ammo (keep the ammo count between swaps. No reloads) or b) cut the ammo in half when he takes it.

[brittle brook]

I think melee tunings got him nerfed to begin with

Well

To continue with

[main fulcrum]

well there's a lot of other characters with easy melee

for starters, twice

[main fulcrum]

monoma just needs to be deleted from the game

[brittle brook]

They don't care Abt him apparently 😭

[wary lagoon]

Aizawa imo is easy. Bro can just alpha you and pull you in. Melee then go in for beta or gamma

[brittle brook]

Gave bro a 1dmg nerf

[main fulcrum]

yeah aizawa is really easy tbf

[wary lagoon]

They didn't want to nerf him

[main fulcrum]

I SAW THAT AND WAS LIKE ...... WE CANNOT BE SERIOUS

[wary lagoon]

Or someone put in the wrong number

[main fulcrum]

lets hope its this .....

[brittle brook]

Crazy...maybe they meant to do a 10 dmg decrease

[wary lagoon]

I knew Monoma was going to be a bad idea. From day 1 when the emblems got leaked a year ago.

[wary lagoon]

Its possible. Mistakes in numbers can happen and coding isn't always easy

[main fulcrum]

haha why did you think so?

[brittle brook]

Yea ik

If this is inteional idk what to say

[wary lagoon]

Knowing how Toga could copy in the game already, had a feeling he would be able to mix and match. Any character with that much power is a bad idea. I just wasn't expecting them to completely break him with no cooldowns. The game was different in season 1 because no one abused Special actions nor did anyone really roll.

Dodge was not existent in season 1 lol

[wary lagoon]

They just trolling us at this point

[main fulcrum]

didn't like, nobody melee either? 😭

[wary lagoon]

Lol yeah melee was often forgotten about

[main fulcrum]

season 1 was just advanced bot lobbies

[wary lagoon]

Season 1 was wild and I miss it

Aizawa wasn't even bad when he was added

[main fulcrum]

i only played like 5 games during season 1 and then didn't touch the game for 7 seasons

[wary lagoon]

Valid lol

[main fulcrum]

well because sisterly and embrittlement didn't exist yet

[wary lagoon]

That and people didn't Alpha into combo to SpA into Alpha into combo like they do now

[main fulcrum]

did combos even really exist s1

[wary lagoon]

SpA was used more to stop people from beaming a downed body or stop a runner

[wary lagoon]

They did. People just didnt think about them

[main fulcrum]

well yeah thats what i meant haha

[wary lagoon]

Ah lol

[main fulcrum]

man, how times have for sure changed

[wary lagoon]

The most annoying thing for me was froppy and iida bush hiding to rez teammates

[main fulcrum]

i remember watching a charismatic demon video when he first started playing the game and i remember thinking like "how is he so BAD"

then i remembered it was when the game literally first came out 😭

[main fulcrum]

i feel like people would still do that

[wary lagoon]

Oh dude I watched back my s1 highlights and omg lol my Bakugo was terrible

My momo wasn't even the best

[main fulcrum]

i dont even dare to watch gameplay clips from when i first started playing 😭

[wary lagoon]

Lmao 😂

I watched some of s8 Hawks clips and chuckle at how clumsy I looked.

No one is a pro at first

And s1 everyone was learning

It doesn't help the game dropped 90% of players after a month

Season 1 started with 46k and now is like 2k on steam

[main fulcrum]

☠️

Thats so rough

Sad to say i was apart of that 90% 😭

[main fulcrum]

I remember when i first rolled him and alpha and gamma spam was all i knew 😭 i didn't like using beta to be "different"

Until i realized that you actually have to use his WHOLE kit

[wary lagoon]

I hate beta spammers so I use it when you need to but there was one bird so I encountered... oh man. Dude drops down. Makes eye contact and decides to heal feet from me. Then. When I engage. He betas me. Misses. Beta. Misses. Runs. Waits on reload. Comes back. I let him connect beta, he flys back around and I knock him out of it. He runs away. Comes back. BETAS AGAIN-
I killed him lmao
He NEVER touched his Alpha, Melee or Gamma 😭

[main fulcrum]

thats..... so.. so sad....

[wary lagoon]

Hawks is more than his beta guys. Ive been saying it 😭

[main fulcrum]

my favorite thing is when togas transform into me and the FIRST thing they go for is beta and miss 😭 then i absolutely body them

[wary lagoon]

Its so predictable

[main fulcrum]

thats the one thing i like about new hawks players

the ONLY thing they go for is beta

so its easy to prepare for and fight against

and just gamma + alpha them to knock them out of beta

[wary lagoon]

Yep then catch them on iframes with melee into your own beta or gamma combo

[main fulcrum]

and they are flabbergasted when you do 😭

ahhhh how i love fighting other birds

[wary lagoon]

Lol fr they're like "wha???"

[main fulcrum]

"this hawks does more than beta spam???? impossible!!!"

[wary lagoon]

I used to hunt them down because people complained so much on s7. S8 I would run hawks and down them. Now its nice to fight a good one but like so rare... I feel bad.

80% of the birds i do see are new and die so quick

[main fulcrum]

would you like to 1v1 in training or customs (because training has no aim assist)

[wary lagoon]

Fun fact. Training doesnt have AA because the person is still on your team.

[main fulcrum]

yeah i know!!! i realized that when i was trying to play tech denki against my friend and started panicking when the aimed in version didn't work ☠️

[wary lagoon]

I would be down to do 1v1s. Not right now because im still waking up lol

[main fulcrum]

yeah im at school anyway

i get out in like just under 3 hours

i never used hawks without aim assist so i might be buns 😭

[wary lagoon]

I know lol I just find it funny. They should add a "change teams" function ngl to fix that

[main fulcrum]

do you wanna do with or without tuning?

[main fulcrum]

they should but tbh, customs exists so why would they yk

[wary lagoon]

Customs is even limited

[main fulcrum]

how soooo

[wary lagoon]

In settings its like "pick the battle settings"
-3player team battle
-there is no 2nd option

So 8 solos or 8 duo teams. You cant do 24 player custom solos

[main fulcrum]

oh yeah that does suck 😭

we can do in training then. maybe I'll get better at aiming without aim assist anyway

[wary lagoon]

It would be nice if they let you tweak settings like "no levels" or "limited loot" or spawn rates on Kota but nah

So much could make customs better

[main fulcrum]

it should live up to its name tbh

like minecraft creative mode

[wary lagoon]

Key is to aim infront of the target with Dabi and Hawks. Think of their attacks like a fighter jet. You need to track ahead

AA can mess that up because it locks on

[main fulcrum]

ohhhh so like kinda where they're going?

so not right on them but just a bit in front?

[wary lagoon]

Yep exactly. So with both Hawks and Dabi the Alphas track and arc out before coming in. If you aim infront of them, the shot will hit the targets sooner as the shots curve around

[main fulcrum]

so what if you're using the aimed in version

because i barely use the tracking version

[wary lagoon]

Aim there is no tracking so you want to aim on or like a hair infront

[main fulcrum]

ahhh okay okay

thank you taco :)

[wary lagoon]

Unaim you go infront and it connects way more

[wary lagoon]

No worries 🫡

[main fulcrum]

just tried hawks without aim assist in solos and turned it RIGHT back on 😭

[tropic estuary]

LOL

[vivid surge]

That sounds rough 😭

[coarse lintel]

The solo match is hard to survive

[main fulcrum]

i missed like every single shot it was actually so humbling ☠️

[vivid surge]

Me tbh

[coarse lintel]

Now I feel like I should try lol

[main fulcrum]

honestly, i used to think this as well but its not too difficult anymore

[main fulcrum]

I WAS EMBARRASSED 😭 😭 😭 🥀 🥀

[coarse lintel]

Everytime I choose a solo match as Hawks they forget I'm in the game 😦

But yesterday toga's quirk set skill killed 2 of my best teams in the rank match I try to hit her but she kept moving

[vivid surge]

I haven't played solos with Hawks yet

[coarse lintel]

It's hard

[vivid surge]

I've played dabi in solos but thats my default lol

I'll try Hawks one of these days though

Tbh as fun as Hawks is, it feels like the effort doesn't pay off a lot of times

[main fulcrum]

It can feel that way but tbh as long as you aren't getting focused and know how to juke and get away, it's kinda easy to survive as him

Just gotta practice

[main fulcrum]

Me too 😭

[main fulcrum]

Its hard to kill a good rapid toga icl

[coarse lintel]

Ik I keep escaping trying to hit her but it's just so hard

But I'm a nice player giving my rank team some stuff that they need

[main fulcrum]

Aww that actually is pretty nice

I NEVER share my levels though

Big no from me

[coarse lintel]

I'm not like all people in the game

[main fulcrum]

Like how so

[coarse lintel]

I just killed 4 people in the rank match

[vivid surge]

me wanting to be friendly but people choose violence

[coarse lintel]

Everyone in the game does

[tropic estuary]

Thisssss

[vivid surge]

you can do literally anything and put in so much effort just to get screwed over while people can do stuff for free

or rather stuff that feels free

[tropic estuary]

Realest shi I've read today tbh
Hawks doesn't feel rewarding cuz the combo n shi u gotta mix up to gain value
Some else is doing it of a one alpha

[vivid surge]

yeah no like, why is that even okay 😭 he didn't deserve this treatment, and I will die on this hill. People hate on him way too much still like buddy, not to sound rude, but like get over it atp 💔

also like, idk why people still insisted on hating him after being absolutely gutted??

[tropic estuary]

The ptsd
Ppl Never grow up
It's funny

[vivid surge]

they really never do 💔 I'm over it but I just want hawks to feel playable

he doesn't even hit that category in my eyes

[coarse lintel]

Everyone is calling Hawks walks now bc he lost his wings from all for one

[wary lagoon]

Im so tired of the joke 😭

[tropic estuary]

Never gets old

[tropic estuary]

Tbf he's more of a "I play him cuz I like him than I play him cuz he's strong type shi

[vivid surge]

Oh yeah no, Im not even asking for him to be strong. I want to play him because I like him but it just feels like he's bordering unplayable bc hes been hit so hard in every area, making it much harder to do anything and even just like, survive

[vivid surge]

Also just, the very blatant targeting towards anyone playing Hawks makes me not enjoy him as much as I'd like 🥀

[coarse lintel]

I just like to show people Hawks is still an awesome playable character in the game

[torn cypress]

It's just that every character in this game is very strong in some aspect.

Even a Dabi Tech for exp, people complain a lot about it but others get it

Same with others, Strike Shigaraki

I love Kirishima assault, but without upgrading to at least beta 9, alpha 4 and gamma 4, it seems unplayable, he's made a fool of himself But after that there are people you kill in 3 skills haha

Hawk is just the same thing

[vivid surge]

I think it's also a matter of I have teammates who do not care enough a lot of times either (randoms have been getting betetr but still hit or miss)

[ornate bison]

My fellow Hawks mains, is there any chance a budget tune for him that requires no PUR? Dont have one but I want to start using him again

[torn cypress]

Do something with some melee attack tuning (kendo yellow or shigaraki yellow) or willpower

[main fulcrum]

i dont put tunings on casual outfits so i couldn't tell ya 😭

[wary lagoon]

Hawks Hero Heat has a bunch of attack slots in it.
Revenge Support special slot and your choice of red special slot.
The outfit can do a good boost to his damage similar to the Parallel outfit.

His casual heat from a past event is also decent. Sisterly or embrittlement with a red villain special slot.

[wary lagoon]

Old screenshot. Ive updated them some but this is what I had on them at one point in time

[ornate bison]

Ty 🙏 glad I actually have that outfit

[coarse lintel]

I only have Hawks villain suit

[wary lagoon]

Anytime 🫡 ☕

[main fulcrum]

dw bro i barely have any outfits for him either

[sacred python]

@wary lagoon oh mighty bird

Is willpower good on hawks?

[wary lagoon]

Willpower is one of a few tunings I haven't experimented much with yet BUT when I get on later, ill throw it on a build and get back to you.

I feel like it would be situational

[sacred python]

I see
Does hawks inv frames carry to his SA well?

[torn cypress]

Willpower lvl 11 is very good

[main fulcrum]

Yes! It's why i use SA to run away (if i have any charge) when i get low. It's because technically you're not pressing a button to activate it, so the game doesn't register it as an ability being used so he gets i-frames during his flight

[tropic estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-takami-my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-mha-gif-17143268

[woeful hemlock]

Why does this character even have aura reading?

You can’t hit people through walls

His tuning is just so much better on other characters who can actually do that

[late storm]

so you can track them through walls and cut them off somewhere

you don't need phasing/pierce abilities to take advantage of wallhacks

[brittle brook]

In the anime he's like a tracking expert ✨

[brittle brook]

Ohh that makes a lot more sense than it just being for teammates

[main fulcrum]

praying for his skillset to be support based but i know the devs wont do that

maybe we'll get tech hawks

i would say strike but thats unlikely because in the anime, he's canonically weaker

so its probs gonna be tech

[tropic estuary]

Canonically
Ochako ain't meant to be assault if we go by that logic

[main fulcrum]

that's true. plus the devs thought that s7 hawks was a good thing to add to the game ☠️

[tropic estuary]

Hawks was afo lvl threat lore accurate XD

[wary lagoon]

S7 hawks never bothered me because it was b4 tuning and now that we have tuning things are so much worse than him.

[meager kelp]

its because s7 hawks was before tuning and all the modern top tier chars that he was so dominant

imagine s7 hawks unleashed on what pretty much is a s1 roster

[tropic estuary]

Real

It's overrated

But szn7 hawks with tuning is gonna be crazy XD

[wary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-takami-my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-mha-gif-17121162

[tropic estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-takami-keigo-takami-mha-gif-5220377912617249863

[main fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-world-heroes-mission-hawks-fans-fumikage-tokoyami-gif-25610493

praying they add this fit to the game

please devs i need it so bad

[wary lagoon]

I need his blue suit

[main fulcrum]

which one is that

[wary lagoon]

☕

They easily can do it and pass it as a party suit like Mic and Cementoss

[main fulcrum]

OH WAIT I HAVE THAT IMAGE SAVED LOL

AND YES I AGREE

THEY SHOULD ADD IT

Also white hair dabi in a suit wouldn't be a bad addition either tbh

[tropic estuary]

-# Not before undefeated hawks

[vivid surge]

pls I need this

[wary lagoon]

hawks summoning circle

[main fulcrum]

this i was thinking about actually but i just don't want them to remove or damage his wings. because then his flight would look so weird

[wary lagoon]

His wings wouldn't be removed. They would be tattered or untouched and the rest of him be tattered

They might treat his wings like hair and leave them alone like the other undefeatable fits

[brittle brook]

Hawks cld prob use wall runner pretty well 🤔

[wary lagoon]

I have a joke rapid hawks build with it and he looks so dang goofy going up walls

What's crazy is it works. You can jump off the wall into special lmao

[brittle brook]

Him and afo decide to float up walls instead of just flying

Flying is too scary ig

[wary lagoon]

Lmao 😂 see how i don't use my legs Tomura

[main fulcrum]

i used a rapid card on hawks once in training and it looks so funny to see him wall run 😭

[wary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-season5-hawks-gif-21008190

[flat leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-hawks-gif-21469056

[tropic estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-takami-my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-mha-gif-17143268

[coarse lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-bnha-keigo-takami-mha-gif-18242346

[normal pond]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-keigo-takami-takami-mha-gif-17046010086665638967

[tawdry fossil]

Yo guys what is the best tuning builds for hawks

Yo guys what is the best tuning builds for hawks

[flat leaf]

I belive @wary lagoon has good tuning ideas

[tawdry fossil]

Alr thx

[vivid surge]

Taco has so many Hawks builds, she's definitely a great source

[coarse lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-mha-bnha-meow-hawksmeow-gif-14426441573435449625

[main fulcrum]

i lost to a tech dabi today.... as hawks..... in an open space..... 💔💔🥀🥀

In my defense i would have won if my BETA FREE FLIGHT CANCELED WHEN I HELD DOWN THE BUTTON

[vivid surge]

you did your best at least 😭

I've been known to cancel it earlier than I want to sometimes 🥀

[main fulcrum]

i was trying to do a combo (beta cancel into immediate gamma into aimed alpha) but when i held down the button to cancel it, it didn't work and ran me right into a trap that i SAW HIM PLACE

[main fulcrum]

this is so real

[vivid surge]

it's painful 💔

[wary lagoon]

I just woke up. Give me a few minutes and ill send some stuff. Do you have his PURs?

[main fulcrum]

i honestly know how to control the beta pretty well, but i guess the game just wanted to embarrass me today by not letting my beta cancel when i wanted it to 😭

it's so sad honestly like it literally cost me the match

AND I WAS DOING SO GOOD

[vivid surge]

tbf the game never wants to work on what feels like a good day 😭

[main fulcrum]

IT WAS LITERALLY SO HUMILIATING LIKE I KNOW HE CLIPPED ME 😭😭😭

[vivid surge]

😭 it happens sometimes honestly

Tbf I died to a Hawks back in s7 as tech dabi iirc so like

[main fulcrum]

well... you were going against s7 hawks to be fair

[tawdry fossil]

Yeah I have the wind general one and the parallel world one

@wary lagoon

[wary lagoon]

Easily the best two for tuning

[tawdry fossil]

Rlly?

[wary lagoon]

Yes. Parallel basic you can go sisterly/GP with good amount of red sub slots.
Wind fancy is Sisterly/Embrittlement. Or you can go wind heat with GP/Revenge strike OR basic wind if you want to play support hawks. Warp heal/High speed replenishment

[tawdry fossil]

Oh ok thx

Rlly appreciate it

Time to dominate

[coarse lintel]

I play as Hawks all the time when I'm in a mood for revenge if anyone like gangs up on me in mhur I just go all out and kill them😂

[remote citrus]

Hawks in the big 25🥀

[main fulcrum]

hawks is still easily good in the right hands tbh, people just dont know how to use him and nobody puts effort into him anymore because he's harder to play now

but his combos are SO so fun

[wary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/endeavor-hawks-bnha-mha-my-hero-academia-gif-16939916

[remote citrus]

I'll share high quality Hawks gifs 🙂

Cuz honestly they're fire

Lmao

[main fulcrum]

big W for the hawks community

[coarse lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-mha-bnha-gif-19123551

[wary lagoon]

☕

Take it easy and have some fun. My motto

[tropic estuary]

To be fair u gain less value with the amount of effort u put it currently as hawks but I do agree he's fun

[tropic estuary]

Hawks endeavor core so peak 😂

[main fulcrum]

i honestly prefer that bc it means i can do more combos on em before they go down

[vivid surge]

I wish players would actually let me have fun when playing Hawks 🥀

[brittle brook]

Me too lmao

[vivid surge]

This makes me so sad bc this is how Hawks is treated these days 🥀

He's so fun but like... 😭

[brittle brook]

Tbh this death is sorta on me, but when I play any other character... Ppl never play so perfectly

[vivid surge]

Yeah no that's fair 😭 the blatant hatred for Hawks hurts

[main fulcrum]

a reminder to NEVER let your ego get to you when playing a character that heavily counters your opponent because i just died to STRIKE SHIGGY 😭

its my fault because i was like "oh yeah i got this lol i can fly. whats he gonna do" and let me tell you.... he def showed me what he was gonna do .... 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[wary lagoon]

he can snag ya out of Beta and the direct HP is painful

[main fulcrum]

YEAH I AGREE

[brittle brook]

Honestly hawks doesn't counter shiggy

He maybe counters nejire tho

[main fulcrum]

if its a bad shiggy player then yeah

[brittle brook]

You wouldnt need to counter him then

[main fulcrum]

the only thing shiggy can really do to hawks is try and catch him in beta and catch him off guard

[wary lagoon]

its so funny to see Shiggy players be like"Im ground i cant hit hawks. unfair. nerf him"
so
just...Gamma Shiggy thats all you need to do. you'll get the bird.

[brittle brook]

Tbf I'm only now realizing how crazy his gamma is aswell

[wary lagoon]

with tuning it can do insane damage and almost one shot

at lv9

they shadow buffed the tracking on it. it used to be as bad as Strike Dabi and not hit

[brittle brook]

I got one shot by it as mirio already and that was the day I learned

[wary lagoon]

yep

[brittle brook]

It's got tracking?

[wary lagoon]

Ibara is just as bad. she has infinite gamma until it hits. however it is bugged right now and might not do anything

[wary lagoon]

some. in the past you could gamma and run past someone. missing. now it has a slightly wider hit box to grab people

like it was very bad at one point. shiggy might as well only have two skills because gamma just wouldn't connect.

[brittle brook]

Oh it's just bigger😭 I tht I got better at it when not playing him lmao

That's good for him tho

[wary lagoon]

also i could be wrong and my timing has just gotten very good with hawks but...
i think his melee x3 into beta got a shadowbuff?
like i can hit that 95% of the time now. it used to be Melee x2 into beta because the 3rd melee throws them into knockback and ya just loop around their Iframes.
I could be wrong and just got better. unsure. something just... feels different?

[brittle brook]

M2 beta works? I was trying that and it sorta just didn't

Then again

I've only now learned that you're supposed to anim cancel melee

[wary lagoon]

i would M2 Beta or M3 Gamma. never could get m3 beta to work. until recently.

i could just be bad lmao

[coarse lintel]

I got killed by Shigaraki so many times in the rank match when I wanted to use Denki in the ranked match but everyone ganged up on me so much😭

[main fulcrum]

I sometimes have issues with this too but i learned that you have to do beta RIGHT when the 3rd melee animation starts

[wary lagoon]

I can't use my taking notes emote here so just imagine a small dog with a notebook

[wary lagoon]

So its much more of a timing thing

Got it

[tropic estuary]

So real for this

[main fulcrum]

i recommend practicing in training before anything but once you get the hang of it, it becomes second nature

when i melee, i count in my head and im like "one, two, three" and right when i hit three is when i either gamma or beta, or both

[wary lagoon]

Time to spend another 2hrs in training lol

(I get distracted in there)

[main fulcrum]

dw haha i did too the other night 😭 i was testing out the gamma into melee x3 into another gamma combo

I tried to do beta after i shot the 2nd gamma but i dont think thats a combo anymore when you shoot a gamma before going into the melee combo

[wary lagoon]

Its better to gamma alpha than catch the wake up with melee

That's at least what I do but there's some odd combos out there

Something you don't notice is how all of Hawks moves have some form of knockback

Until you're in training

[main fulcrum]

yeah thats usually what i try to do

[vivid surge]

Maybe I'll try and play Hawks again... and even just play the game again period lol

I've been considering it lately for sure

[main fulcrum]

he's really fun so def try it!!

i have a great time when playing hawks

[vivid surge]

He is fun, I like playing him but I do not have a great time when I play him bc im being focused by like 3 different teams 🥀

[main fulcrum]

this is why i usually play him in solos 😭

[vivid surge]

Like why are we focusing the bird who can barely fly and idk, not the reload refreshing air camping monoma or the assault ochako?? Or the twice who is being nothing but a nuisance

It just doesn't make sense 🥀

[main fulcrum]

people still have an irrational fear of hawks bc of season 7 so i get it

Its still really dumb tho

[vivid surge]

I mean I do get it but also at some point we gotta let it go 😭 Hawks has like, a skill ceiling and people still wanna act like he's free

I still don't think even in s7 when he was busted, if I had him, I was going to be good with him.

[wispy heath]

I haven't seen any real hate for Hawks in a long while, and if anything he is a very tedious character to play in his current state.

[tropic estuary]

Real

Very tedious

Like the purple dabi of rapids

[wispy heath]

His alpha is not only weaker than ever, but the damage only increases properly at levels 4 and 9 making it awful until it's at 9.

The gamma damage has been lowered a bit too, but it's still fine.

Beta has had so many nerfs and I'm not even sure if there's any reason for people to complain with the damage it's dealing now versus then.

Heck, Hawks took another blow from the tuning adjustments; Sisterly nerfs really made people drop him since they can't unga bunga the default parallel world anymore. Embrittlement nerfs also made his situation harder too since it helped alleviate the base damage nerfs.

They also absolutely hammered his special action duration too so he's possible to chase.

[coarse lintel]

Hawks is a good character to play

[wispy heath]

He feels good to play, but boy he is far less rewarding than ever

The alpha reaaally needs the proper damage scaling on levels 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 and 8

Or they need to allow it to become a beamer move again (0 knockback value)

If Tech Toga and Twice can beam freely with alphas that hit 2-3x harder with no knockback, Hawks at least deserves it too

The tracking and the aimed version perks do not compensate for the pitiful damage to knockback

[vivid surge]

Maybe it's bc I've played Dabi longer, but I've found I have better results with tech Dabi than I have Hawks. Even on a good day 😭

[wary lagoon]

The knockback on all of his moves is crazy compared to others character.

[wary lagoon]

I haven't seen you in a while. Wanted to ask how crossplay is treating you?

[wispy heath]

Unless I got friends who want to play from other versions, it stays off.

[wary lagoon]

that's understandable. how is the pop on crossplay off lobbies because PC its dead. like maybe you'll fight one other team but its 99% bots.

[wispy heath]

The average is about 50/50 humans to bots usually, sometimes a bit more humans than bots.

Solos is generally about 33/66 humans to bots; not enough popularity in it I guess.

At least that's how the Switch Only feels

[wary lagoon]

that's way better odds than pc

[brittle brook]

Hawks wind general has a build that cld run fixer and wall runner, would that be good?

[woeful hemlock]

I just wanna thank yall for being the best rapid Teammates to have

Have a cookie

🍪

[alpine basalt]

Thanks for the delicious cookie

[wispy heath]

Wall runner sounds redundant on Hawks of all characters

His mobility may be 2nd best in the game currently but it's pretty fine as is.

[brittle brook]

Tbh I made this idea when I kept feeling like I was always out of sa

But now I think I manage it pretty well

I still dont think it's a bad idea tho

At least for fixer

[wispy heath]

Hang on... I'm trying to figure out which tuning build you're even considering in the first place... Wind General Villain is what you're considering???

Just a glance at this outfit is enough to tell me it's a miss.

[brittle brook]

I can't remember rn but it was blueish ?
It had like 2 melee a gamma and a beta to be boosted by fixer I think

[wispy heath]

• 2 Strike Normal Tunings (1 locked to Villain Strike)
• 4 Rapid Normal Tunings
  Nah, this outfit will not do you justice.

Wind General Heat would provide you with more attack power increases than that Fixer setup you were considering.

5 normal strike tunings, a support, rapid and tech normal slot for the other attack powers.

The only "flaw" is that the build has Villain Strike on the right special tuning, but the other attributes are pretty impressive still.

[wispy heath]

Fixer is not a perk you want to "settle" on subpar or par normal tuning; it has to basically be PERFECT to really shine.

[brittle brook]

GP sucker revenge strike hmm

[wispy heath]

Well, you have the whole Rapid selection to choose from since it's on the left slot.

All I can say is that Fixer Hawks is a pipe dream with how abysmal all of those tuning outfits are

[woeful hemlock]

Monoma, kurogiri, red kiri, ochaco, etc

He barely cracks top five and even THATS debatable

He needs some of his sa back

[wispy heath]

Ochaco is the only debatable one on that list

The rest definitely outclass him

[woeful hemlock]

…

Mb

Reading comprehension tanks at night

[wispy heath]

Fair nuff, it's past midnight here

I'm kinda surprised red Kiri hasn't been nerfed yet, but I suspect once he's lost the FOMO freshness they may come after that alpha-beta trick

[woeful hemlock]

So wait, are you calling his mobility second best in going up or what?

[wispy heath]

I'll retract it and say it's more like top 5.

4th/5th sounds fair

[woeful hemlock]

Just be glad that most people don’t know his combos

I can’t even perform them

[wispy heath]

More like the windows are too tight for average players to perform

There's almost zero leniency for anything involving alpha into other moves

[woeful hemlock]

More debatable ones would be

Mirio, compress, tech denki, ilda etc

[wispy heath]

Only Iida with Recipro would be debate worthy; Hawks outclasses the others.

[woeful hemlock]

Someday, I’m going to learn them

But the kind of someday where you never actually do

[woeful hemlock]

Double gamma compress goes far

Same with mirio sa

[wispy heath]

Mirio, Compress and Tech Denki are 1-trick ponies in terms of mobility skills. Hawks has special action + air melee, beta and gamma to work with for far more maneuverability than those 3.

[woeful hemlock]

And in best case scenarios tech denki can do cross maps

[woeful hemlock]

I’m gonna be so fr

I don’t play hawks

I’m scared to try him with my trial ticket because I have no idea what I’m doing

[woeful hemlock]

wtf…

Okay I’m wrong

[wispy heath]

Cancelling special action with air melee lets you not only accelerate in that direction, but also change direction

[woeful hemlock]

I’ll take the l on that one

[wispy heath]

Not to mention that this is all while moving; there is no "pause" in the air like Compress gamma or Tech Denki's start and end of his gamma

[woeful hemlock]

Okay then what about froppy

Not as far but just as controlled

[wispy heath]

Hawks outclasses her with speed factor, can easily outpace her with or without walls.

[woeful hemlock]

started fumbling at the end there

[woeful hemlock]

Fair enough

[wispy heath]

To be fair I still had an additional beta, a gamma and another air melee boost.

As long as you don't lose sight of the target, they aren't safe.

[woeful hemlock]

Alright kind of sold me on him How do I play this character?

(And what lvl path)

[wispy heath]

I find Hawks to be a "bully" type of character; you find and exploit the weaknesses of the enemy using his ridiculous melee to combo into other tools, and aren't afraid to bail after messing with someone.

His alpha is basically useless and shouldn't be used for primary DPS unless it's at level 9, but it's your last priority.

I'd only level it to 4 (Another tip: The damage only increases at levels 4 and 9)

Beta and gamma are where most of your damage is going to come from; you'll want to try and combo off of melees for beta when the enemy is still on GP, and gamma for when they're on HP.

[woeful hemlock]

No this is just actual bullying

Go to detention

[wispy heath]

I would recommend practicing using the jab combo, then during the final multi-hit you cancel it after 1-2 hits into a gamma.

(You can also fit an air melee in with the gamma for even more damage, but get used to getting gamma first).

Hawks can chain gammas together if the enemy is high enough in the air and dumb enough to let it happen.

If you have the rapid card effect, you can even do jab 1-2 jab 1-2 when they're on HP (Though this is simply for style, you'd rather just hit beta and then hit a free flight beta on the enemy).

[wispy heath]

If anything though, a lot of Hawks also kinda stems to what type of tuning build you're running.

Considering you said you're using the trial tickets, you can't even TUNE him.

Do you have any of his PURs? I can suggest a build from those.

[woeful hemlock]

Fantasy

[woeful hemlock]

Sadly

Am I crazy for thinking this should confirm into this?

[wispy heath]

You have to go straight into beta as you're doing the final part of the melee combo

I would recommend just doing either beta or gamma as your finisher based on if the enemy is on GP or HP

[woeful hemlock]

Beta if gp gamma if hp right?

[wispy heath]

Beta works both ways, gamma only works on HP.

[woeful hemlock]

So if I had to guess gamma is better?

[wispy heath]

Gamma isn't 100% true and people can recover early in the air, but you could punish it later like I was doing with that Ochaco and just constantly juggle them

[woeful hemlock]

This beta feels like what i imagine drunk driving feels

[woeful hemlock]

Lvl up path?

[wispy heath]

I prefer Beta 4, gamma 4, beta 9, gamma 9. If you got the option to get alpha to 4 from random crate drops, may as well take it.

The damage for Hawks alpha is inconsistent across the levels; normally each character has a gradual increase in damage per level; Hawks does not get this until the levels where the skill "upgrades".

[woeful hemlock]

Out of curiosity, what do you guys do against twice players?

[wispy heath]

Punishing his gamma if he does it out of wake up is the best play; pre-firing gamma does a pretty good job of knocking him out cold.

[wispy heath]

Ah, and if you do pre-fire a gamma, follow up by firing off aimed down alphas.

Or if Twice is not respecting your personal space on his wakeup, an air melee should serve as a nice punishment

All of the combos and tricks I use should still be valid for Hawks, except with far less damage thanks to all of the nerfs he's gone through

[vivid surge]

Surviving solos as Hawks is an achievement

In any capacity bc man

[wispy heath]

The air melee is a multi-hit, where both hits is a hard knockdown, and if you manage to hit just 1 part you could combo off of it. It's pretty good for catching a bad wakeup option.

[wispy heath]

Depends a lot on the matchup

If hawks can combo them without a ridiculous amount of armor getting in the way, Solos should be doable

[woeful hemlock]

I died to an assault kiri

Solos btw

[vivid surge]

Yeah im not this good 😭 I was trying to just live and get items and fight as needed

[wispy heath]

Assault Kiri is one of those "bad" matchups. Your best bet is chipping him down and finding a moment to activate free flight and smack him over.

I recommend using air melee since if the multi hit connects, it will automatically knock him to the floor and give you a moment to retreat.

[vivid surge]

I hate fighting strike shoto period, but as Hawks it feels even worse

[woeful hemlock]

I took a second to sort my inventory and got double tod’ed

Denki and mt lady

I know this is my fault, but it still hurts

Final try

[vivid surge]

Hawks is so hard to pick up tbh 💔

Stopped playing him for a bit, tried playing him today and man he struggles so much until he gets half decent levels and even then its not a guarantee

Tbf I also have fallen out of playing but still

[wispy heath]

He definitely needs a tuning build after all of the nerfs he's been through

[vivid surge]

Sucks that my only good tuning options for PURs is his cyber hero fit 💔

I still have no other PUR for him

[wispy heath]

Actually, I think default Cyber Hero may be the next meta outfit for him

[vivid surge]

Thankfully I have it fully built but idk what i put on it and im not at my computer to look

[wispy heath]

Cyberhero Combat has Assault/Strike Hero, meaning you'd be able to run Embrittlement/Iron Fists for hyper offensive damage when you land a melee.

Default Cyberhero has Strike/Assault Hero, so you'd be able to do Iron Fists/Sisterly there if you prefer a tad bit more balance.

[woeful hemlock]

Just for future reference, what should I do with fantasy?

[vivid surge]

That seems like a pretty solid choice tbh, might look into it when I get the chance

[coarse lintel]

To be honest I really don't have much of Hawks outfits I only have his normal hero suit but villain version and a parallel universe suit

[woeful hemlock]

Sorry, I’ve been calling it fantasy, but yeah parallel universe

[wispy heath]

Parallel World... I honestly think it's a dud for melee combat builds (which is like the one specialty Hawks has over the rest of the cast).

[coarse lintel]

Ya it's so sad everyone keeps coming after the ground characters I wanted to play😭

[wispy heath]

You could run Sisterly or Embrittlement on some of them, but it's then a question of what do you run for the other special tuning.

[woeful hemlock]

Stupid question, but will he ever be available for character tickets?

[coarse lintel]

I mostly play on my computer since it's easy for me to fight and share one of my healing bottles with other players

[woeful hemlock]

Because he feels fun, but I can never have fun with trial characters because of the fact that I’m only gonna be able to play them three times

[coarse lintel]

I feel bad bc I can only play Monama once sorry if his name is wrong

[vivid surge]

Atp with how much he's been nerfed I feel like he should be put on character tickets

I think it's rather stupid he's still on the gacha after being absolutely slapped over and over the way he was

[coarse lintel]

I just don't like his attitude

[wispy heath]

• Fancy Parallel World has 5 strike normal tunings, and an Assault/Support Hero special tuning. You could choose between Sisterly or Embrittlement, and then maybe like Revenge Support or Divine Protection or something.
• Heat Parallel World has 2 strike normal tunings and wayyy too much normal assault tunings. Same sort of deal except it's Strike/Support Hero; I think it's inferior to fancy.
• Villain Parallel World is an inferior Fancy Parallel clone.
• Default Parallel has 4 strike normal tunings, and an Assault/Rapid Villain tuning. I think this ones not as useful as like Divine Protection since Hawks needs to focus on his offenses more than card duplicator or GP sucker.

[woeful hemlock]

What I’ve gathered is run fancy parallel

[wispy heath]

I think Sisterly or Embrittlement / Divine Protection on Fancy Parallel World would be the best bet since we have no clue when you'll get the other PUR outfits.

That way you can use your speed to snipe boxes and get levels fast, then bail fast.

[coarse lintel]

I always try my best in the ranked matches bc I'm not a mean person to leave my team mates

But I do know Some quirk skill sets can make a lot of damages

[wispy perch]

Any tips for Hawks?

[wispy heath]

• Alpha is only good for confirming minor amounts of damage if it's not level 9; don't bother investing in it beyond level 4.
• Learn the melee combos and mobility techs involving air melee and gamma.
• If you plan to use him, you basically must run a PUR costume. There's a few options for all of his PUR costumes so ask for a tuning build based on whichever you own.

[flat leaf]

Ask @wary lagoon or @glossy cypress for some Hawks tips, they are the best to ask for that advice.

[main fulcrum]

Whats iron fists

[wispy heath]

See your DMs.

[glossy cypress]

I feel honored being in the same league as taco

[glossy cypress]

Depends on ur playstyle. Hawks can fill the role of any type (strike, assault, etc) depending on how u use him

[main fulcrum]

what if its for strike

[glossy cypress]

For strike I use wind general heat for tuning which revenge strike/gp sucker

Triple stacked beta dmg and double stacked alpha/gamma dmg + SA reload

As for levelling I tend to to alpha max, beta 4, gamma max, beta max

Strike hawks lacks in defense so I try not to use beta a huge amount, mostly for comboing with melee

And for getting some height/escaping

I use alpha a lot, which is why I level it first (usually only takes 30-60 seconds to max it out)

I tend to aim it more than use the homing, because the aimed version travels faster so its harder to dodge

I also try to directly hit ppl with gamma whenever I can cause it does good damage

I go in for a 3x melee into beta combo when shields are down

Depending on my own health I sometimes spiral back around with freefly beta or use the charge to get away and heal if im low

Revenge strike + GP sucker is great cause it feeds into itself

Amd if u use revenge strike with red cards then u can get some crazy numbers

Main weakness is tech denki cause I literally cannot escape him if hes sniping, so id suggest getting a teammate to deal with him, and if u cant then get in close at all costs so he cant effectively use his alpha

[main fulcrum]

ahhh okay ty!

how do you deal with kendo 💔🥀

[glossy cypress]

Play with a strike kiri or an overhaul xD

Or just wait out her shield ig

If u 3rd party then u can snipe her from above or behind

But yeah def dont wanna waste ammo on breaking her shield, hawks doesnt do enough damage to effectively break it

[tropic estuary]

Change approach if she's constantly putting her shield up

[main fulcrum]

i figured tbh

[main fulcrum]

BUT HOWWWW 💔

[alpine basalt]

If Hawks gets nerfed one more time he's going to come literally unplayable

[tropic estuary]

Don't approach her from the front
U can always run away and attack her from the back when she's least expecting
U can try to approach with ur melee but if u miss to roll her clap , might be cooked

[woeful hemlock]

This character has the sauce, but I feel so fragile

A denki caught my beta with his gamma and it was so over

[vivid surge]

True though. I'm tired of people mindlessly complaining about him

[woeful hemlock]

Tech Dabi tier

[coarse lintel]

To be honest I just don't like denki special move that they do

[teal flame]

what is his best outfit ? i have a few hero costumes and normal wind general

also what are his best tunings

[wispy perch]

Are Sisterly and Embrittlement good for Hawks?

[wispy heath]

Considering how strong Hawks melee is and is basically the most incorporated melee into a character's kit... Yes.

(This clip is before Beta, Gamma, Embrittlement and Sisterly were nerfed but the point still stands they help him quite a bit)

...Man, looking back on it I don't think there's any character who has been nerfed as often and as many times as Hawks

The only parts of his kit not nerfed are his melees and general movement (not special action.

[main fulcrum]

give hawks beta armor PLEASE DEVS 💔

[main fulcrum]

denki special action sucks to be caught off guard by 😭

[coarse lintel]

Ik right

[woeful hemlock]

Oh cool…

I’m sorry for not being exactly max hp

[brittle brook]

Red shoto being balanced and high skill:

[steady monolith]

you could doge roll the beta

and using double beta on red shoto is a difficult condition

so its basically your own fault for running into it

[coarse lintel]

Does anyone wanna play rank match with me

[woeful hemlock]

Caught off guard and didn’t know about that combo nor its gaps

[woeful hemlock]

Hot take

I don’t think I should be tod for that 1 mistake

We should give him more HP

[steady monolith]

after getting caught from his melee you could dodge roll but you were to slow

[steady monolith]

it rarely happens to get hit by double beta

you can dodge it easily

this only happened cause you didnt pay attention or you were suprised

[brittle brook]

Red shoto is just broken bro

[steady monolith]

but every good player would have dodged that

[coarse lintel]

I always try to Dodge it but Aizawa always catches you with his scarf

[steady monolith]

red shoto is strong yea

[coarse lintel]

I agree I got killed by Aizawa and Shoto

They ganged up on my team and wouldn't let them get a single hit on them

Even though I play on PC and xbox

[vivid surge]

no thoughts just birb

[woeful hemlock]

Read the name…

[woeful hemlock]

The ladder

[wary lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288433411568177173/1364531641384570890/049cd0f47bd176833866f939796d7dd1.gif

[wary lagoon]

You are one of the best birds i know

[glossy cypress]

🥺🥹

[steady monolith]

youre not the worst

😢

[wary lagoon]

i just learned Hawks can pick up Twice clones

[coarse lintel]

What how

[brittle brook]

Just the normal way as long as they're on your team

[normal pond]

I tested that with some friends a while back

[wary lagoon]

So
I've had a video idea
Fellow Hawks mains, can you please post some clips of your best games? like KOs you're proud of and so on? And @ me in them or DM. Either is fine.

[coarse lintel]

I'll try my best😅

[normal pond]

I can find some stuff

[coarse lintel]

All I can say is I got killed😅

[wary lagoon]

🫡 appreciate ya'll

[glossy cypress]

This is from my 7k dmg game https://youtu.be/vPmM_25crxw?si=bBzGDnUxSi8vcWT3

Honestly the best part is probably just surviving for so long on my own against like 5 full teams lol

[wary lagoon]

Love to see it

[normal pond]

This one is pretty good https://medal.tv/games/my-hero-ultra-rumble/clips/klDyVMQMXNSa6KfTe?invite=cr-MSxkQ00sNDAwMjI5NDIz

[wary lagoon]

You got some clean beta guard breaks 🐦‍🔥

[normal pond]

I'm not the best Hawks but I try 🫡

[wary lagoon]

As long as you're having fun that's all that matters

[vivid surge]

Might use Hawks as my crash out option now if strike dabi is still bugged, until he's fixed at least. Gives me more reason to play him anyway (I say then I will regret it 2 seconds later)

[wispy heath]

Hope you got a good PUR build

[sterile frost]

First time playing Hawks in a while since the nerfs and he's lowkey kinda fun now that he's not op

[glossy cypress]

He is SO FUN

[sterile frost]

I'm out of tuning materials and I've already finished the pass so I can't tune him till next season 💔

[glossy cypress]

Well technically u could just give him lvl 1 tuning on the slots you've unlocked or use hero souls to get materials

I think u can get materials with crystals too rn

[coarse lintel]

I always use the hero souls a lot to get a character ticket to unlock the other tuning

That I've collected

[glossy cypress]

I only have like 3 ticketable characters left lol

And i never use their tuning

[vivid surge]

Can't have a good solo game with Hawks when a Mirio and Nejire decide to target him

I'm actually so insanely fed up with this

[coarse lintel]

That's sad 😭

[vivid surge]

Just delete Mirio atp

I force closed the game so bro can't get anything from me

[coarse lintel]

I just wanna kill keno quirk skill set

[vivid surge]

other than "I hope you're proud of targeting a bird in a half bot lobby bc you have no life"

[coarse lintel]

We should team up sometimes

[vivid surge]

I can't even be nice anymore about it bc I'm really starting to reach my limits

[coarse lintel]

Can I join ha

Ya

[vivid surge]

No bc I'm going to bed atp

[coarse lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/keigo-takami-touya-todoroki-dabihawks-my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-gif-27428953

[vivid surge]

Literally cannot have nice things

[coarse lintel]

Good night

[bleak flume]

Mirio is one of those characters where he isn't OP, but he is not fun to fight at all

[wary lagoon]

so true

[wary lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288433411568177173/1374696726950187038/static-assets-upload8543162619015415158.webp

[vivid surge]

Oh yeah no like, he's not OP by any means but I hate fighting him. Also just like, it was late at night and people really do not know how to hop off like I was running for a reason can you not keep focusing me?? Genuinely some of the most frustrating stuff for sure

[tropic estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-gif-22100233

[wary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-keigo-takami-takami-mha-gif-17046010086665638967

[vivid surge]

Still sad I lost in solos to a tech shoto who just spammed me out 🥀

I tried :' but man

[flat leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-keigo-takami-my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-mha-gif-17143268

[bleak flume]

Yeah, fighting Tech Shoto is rough

[vivid surge]

pretty sure both the tech shoto and strike dabi were ganging up on me towards the end until they finally decided to fight each other while I healed 😭 in crossplay off solo lobbies at that, which was basically looking like this + bots

[bleak flume]

Power of brothers ig

[vivid surge]

apparently 😂😭 I'm just glad I didn't have to deal with a Twice in solos bc that's... 💀

[reef dragon]

so I picked up hawks again after the big nerfs he's so much fun

[flat leaf]

trying randoms in ranked with hawks for the first time in a while (i hate playing with randoms) and got 2 really good games back to back

The first was a 10ko game

(cant share because modded content)

[woeful hemlock]

Help

Monkey is pressing buttons but monkeys buttons aren’t working T-T

[vivid surge]

Rip 🥀

[coarse lintel]

Rip 😦

[wary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-season5-hawks-gif-21008190

[woeful hemlock]

But like genuinely what do I do here?

Tips are appreciated

Even though I can only play him though trial tickets he’s mad fun and I wanna learn him

[wary lagoon]

At :05 I probably would of melee over the first beta. Melee x2(or3) into beta or gamma.
:11 would of rolled instead of melee to get outside. (Hawks's isnt the best in doors)
:20 you had the right idea to mark froppy and scout.
Its hard even for me to fight the urge of pushing someone when ya see them heal. Maybe do a pick small gp pot or drop outside the side of UA.

I don't think you did anything really wrong in this situation. Froppy can be rough to fight if they are aggressive and have combos down.

Personally I keep more small pots on me than large because they are quicker to get off in a pinch.

Just a habit from running revenge strike builds that feed of gp popping

But I will say what one person might do in this situation is different than what another might do