#Ibara Shiozaki
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Never quit!
If I’m this bad, I don’t know why I shouldn’t…
Strike shoto has me feeling like I’m on top of the world
And I at least feel like I know what I’m doing on tech Dabi
(Even though I know I’m still stupid when it comes to it)
But when it comes to ibara…
I feel lost…
Hear thee
?
I’m gonna see what this next season has for me but I just had my fingers crossed for now
Not leaving yet though
Too stubborn
And too much of a sucker for support characters
That’s the reason I gravitated to her in the first place
It’s just no one in this game feels actually good to support
Most of the time I just get left to the wolves
And sometimes I don’t even get a simple, thank you voice line
But I’ve had a lot of insults at me not being able to chase you nine years across the map to resurrect my strike kendo
Its okay dear. I thank you for your services and for being the few true support Ibaras in this game
I will say is that you shall hang in there
When "Divine" drops. We will rise again.
This is all a trial we must endure
If I get lucky, I get lucky, but I am not going to the torture of saving like that again
Is it really torture
My eyes were rolling in the back of my head last time I had to save
What is there to a season if you don’t get to play with the new characters?
It’s literally same stuff different day
At least gambling curbs the boredom
I’m not going 2+ seasons with nothing to do
I need hero souls
I need new characters
I need new outfits
Etc
It’s like being a fast food worker
Everyone’s “glad” you’re there doing the job, but no one really cares or respects you
Thats...quite a ways to put it
If you have a better analogy
hit me
I just wanna play a support character and help my team
That’s the most important part of it all to me
This game really doesn’t support that though
Its like being a healer in a hero shooter game
That’s not really an analogy
My hero ultra rumble is a hero shooter battle royale
doesnt matter it still relates
ehhhh
Im more referring to marvel rivals
and such
fraudwatch
Which is also a hero shooter
Same as overwatch and paladins
Anyways thats besides the point
You and me are playing together
I want to watch your struggles
And also make you my 2nd disciple
so get that IbaraWithTheGammax3 ready
No thanks
I’m not changing my name
And also, I play other characters…
That has to go
I do too.
We all do
Its not like you have to religiously have to play Ibara
That’s what I was doing a while back
That was when I was complaining ALOT
I’m in a strike shoto phase currently
It’s probably gonna be a while before I truly feel like playing ibara again
I was going to say something very debilitating to the soul and self-esteem. I believe it is best if I refrain
Go ahead
Can’t say something i haven’t said to myself already
Tis better if not said....
(At this rate I’m gonna wanna rewatch konasuba)
Saturnite
I wish you the best
And I love you too as much as I do all my fellow Ibaras
Except Jinx
Awww you love @vagrant thunder
Duch...
Hes that one pimple I have on my chest that I cant seem to get rid of
But it works as a weird beauty mark
He’s cool
So i have to accept it
Can be a headache sometimes
But his presence is ironically welcomed here
minus when he likes to equate things to compress
Somehow
When it has NOTHING to do with compress
Level 7, level 9…
I have that committed to memory
but in general, don’t expect me to leave the Ibara nation unless they make an even better support character
(Or reduce overhaul sa cooldown a bunch)
The Life of a support player is in my blood
Oh
Special action in air now??!!!
WE CAN REVIVE MID AIR NOW?
Yupppp
I cant play mhur anymore
Woah
Well the difference between him and cem is that he can create a landing TO revive
We need it
That actually FLOODS the nostalgia meter
lmaoo
That's a nice mod you have there 
Thank you
Cutie
Well we won a bit of buffs
Most important one is the melee buff, now u can air melee into ppl with their guard broken alr and chain it into gamma
Revive buff is cool too, what im curious abt is that she stops mid air while reviving or she continues to fall to the ground
I’m boutta start clip farming again
Dude
I think it might be a fast fall??
Probably
Time to airmelee into gamma no matter what
When I get home I'm for sure gonna use this
Guys uhm
Ibara is going to be difficult to play this season
Hate to break it to you
Oh I know
However, slight good news
Because OFA Deku is melee based
Gamma is highly recommend but you have to have ultra instinct
And beta
Buffer it
Super armor gamma grabs??
Literally
i might do a tenpull
@stray abyss I expect you to help me Aizawa train later…..
I totally didn’t just unlock him….
Trust me I already know
You know it's bad when I have an easier time playing Momo over Ibara
Oh-
And why
Is he that broken?
Bah, not broken, hard to deal with?
Like he doesnt flinch or stuff like that?
That but he has a speed boost all the time, very good tracking kicks, and the annoyance of that huge slam
He doesnt flinch fr? Thats a huge problem then
But like standing still he doesnt flinch
?
I'm not fully sure about the flinching part
But he doesn't flinch during the slam from what I've seen
Yes
why
also i got deku and his fit
10 pulls is all what it took
Indeed Imma try him out this season as promised
honestly rapidku is not that much of a problem
i dont find him annoying
like tech mirio
and he's countereable
Give it a lil
im playing since 7pm and its 1am
isnt annoying
and u are compress how can u find him annoying
i mean days or weeks
I don’t yet
But it’s like tech Mirio, once you give him time he’ll be really annoying
Cause his kit is very op
he's in a fine spot
hmm, I don’t know about that. Go say that in curseds server and you will be crucified
he’s like
ill go
Really op, but people haven’t gotten used to the timings
huh yeah he's beyond op, people just don't know anything
is my opinion
his air melee has 50 downpower, first melee has 100dp, 2nd to 4th have no down power and 5th has 500 from my testing, so you can keep resetting it
people aren't using smokes yet, etc etc
at least that's how I felt
He’s very op, but people are saying he’s weak only because this is literally first week
By the time u do those enemy teammates already depleted ur shield and half hp
In my book he isnt weak, but isnt broken either, he is pretty much fighteable, his major downside is the same as assault kendo
A 1v1 char
A decent team will lure u and the other 2 will kill u
Ofc yea ppl still has work to do with him
But how im seeing it, he isnt something to be afraid of
Does the new name eat??
if i knew wtf a somnabultist was then it prolly would💀
ok i didnt think you could just straight up revive in the air
i thought youd fast fall or something😭
I got excited thinking there was a new ibara costume for a second…
It's midnights quirk name😭
if you go for them at bad times for sure
I sadly haven't been able to play since those messages and likely won't be able to play much at all until monday (and only on a very bad setup), so I'll kinda just have to wait and see
oh so she does stop mid air
that resolves a mistery for me
always the worse enemy is the teammates
why as a 3kd player im getting paired with negative kd ppl
tried aceleration too, not worth unless u also run something else
at level 11 the cooldown ends before it runs out at least but I agree, didn't even think to try
when wallrunner exists
exactly
I had to try tho, but yea it sucks
The reason why gammas aren’t always the way to go
a beta wouldve done the same thing
id still gamma
also no willpower cuz u must reallly love that support build
in conclusion melikey
but the build me no likey
A beta wouldn’t have kept me in place for so long (even though I still would’ve died because I didn’t even notice Bakugo exploding me until wayyyyy too late)
When you’re 400 hp willpower doesn’t even become a thought in your mind
Also willpower barely works 90% of the time
Only use gammas in 1v1 💀
Tbf i thought it was a 1 v 1 till bakugo pulled up
Works wonders
With 1 braincell teammates bc average teammates have 0.1
oooooohhhh ok then yea that’s actually a cool name😂
You’re forgiven
For ibara which one better space hop or wall runner
Thank you very much
Depends on how you play
Depends. Space Hop is better in USJ and CC since there's a lot of flat ground and Wall Runner is better in UA Island since there's lots of walls to run on.
As long as there's no beamers nearby lol
Unless you can do the wall runner tech
But there aren’t always gonna be walls or walls you can run on
Literally
alpha all beamers!
but yeah I do think the space hop + wallrunner build is the most fun build on ibara
Yall I'm finally on pc
Now I just need to get my hands on ibara
Does she have any decent budget tuning builds I could consider if I don't get any PURs?
I've been screwed over by gacha enough already so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a while until I got one 💔
Well u can now do it off walls
so when im wallrunning all over the place
i can just rez
update: I got ibara on pc 
Thank you
Okay guys
Hear me out
remember when i said that Acceleration Ibara sucked
Okay uhm
i forget it also includes ACTION speed INCREASE
Along with melee attacks
speed
I tried it.
I take back what I said
@noble cedar help me
Hm?
i need someone to help me test what ibara can do against OFA deku
head to training mode and stuffs
i had a really good match and accel Ibara made it fun asf
nvm u seem hesitant
Lemme get the Xbox on
I’m on
i dont see u
dang 👀
tbf it's 100% better than sisterly and you tried that, sooo
first ibara match on pc 
is it worth considering over wall runner 
ehhh
yes and no
no and yes
the action speed part actually seemed pretty interesting but i’m not taking off wallrunner sooo
Wouldnt blame u
maybe if ibara had double speed tuning
ive got clips yall its been awhile hasnt it
I remember getting yelled at for this
😒
Nah i didnt
wait who yelled at u
Cuz it wasnt me
bruh u cant just spawn and then despawn
I do that all the time wym
I think I might slightly retire from Ibara this season since I've only gotten harassed every time I attempt
It's so bad
I feel you
But this new acccel tuning on her
is making her iinteresting
to say the least
literally munching on crumbs rn
I don’t have her PUR OR ANY outfits to tune on her
😔
Missing alphas…💔 I taught you better than this
More and more I long for the plus ultra rarity outfit that is Ibaras
I did didn’t I?
Black undefeated dress
Embrittlement willpower build
I see
With a lot of alpha+ and double hp dmg up
I'll have to hope I can roll that
Unless it's available to buy
I don't remember
Its available i think
I remember having this…
😩 I miss my gamma button
Man that was my best fit
I loved it
Until ofc they nerfed it
Indeed, and now I pray for PUR 🙏 on either account 
Ya know. I’m glad this was when. I was off cuz. After I started to solo q my games were just
Save ur tickets decuck isnt goin anywhere
Insane nickname
Insane but not incorrect
Now what if I said…I play him. Cuz….I do hate to admit but he’s fun to play 😭
He is fun
Still decuck
I need to reach expert soon im tired of these negative kd teammates with the most meta pick and still suckin on the enemy stuff
I’m in Expert 2 and it’s a struggle.. That’s mostly because when I start fighting my teams nowhere to be seen
In my case im with my team
They just suck?
I can’t speak on that cuz I have my trash moments ngl. I’m not as good as I use to be 😭
They do really suck
Last night i had this couple pc kids
Ffs i wanted to kill myself
Rapidku 1.6kd and the girl was 0.6
Rapidchako
There’s also like. Blue Dekus who think it’s the end of the world when they can’t play the characters for one game. So they leave before the game even starts 😭
Oh
I mean my kds low too but. 0.6 is DEVIOUS 😭
On meta picks
On crossplay
U must really suck if u have 0.6 kd
When crossplay dropped i started havin 3 4 kd
Before that i was 2kd almost 2kd, it was rough playin against the sweats
My Kd stayed the same…but
I might just. Get on and play more. After I eat
Sooner I hit Ace the better
Fr
Im having rookie numbers cause i cant solo every game
And i didnt even check avg damage
Last season was 4k avg dmg 3.32 kd
Rn numbers must be to the grounds
Real
The faster the better
👀
Real x2
it is in fact not available, but I found this which could maybe work?
Up to u tbh
I’ve used it
I’ve used all of her non PURs
It’s not too bad
No this was way before
I just didnt post it yet
made a basic build with what I had
Ahh ok fair fair
Fsfs, eventually swap Deku for Bakugo alpha tuning and then swap the special to willpower
that was the plan, I just need more strike kiri data
I'm so poor 😭
Real I am too rn 😭
👀
Did Monoma deserve this?

This was pc right
Indeed
Oki
I was gonna say smthing but i wont, save tickets for any pur

Ngl I think I'll save for kendo qss atp cause I want it
Deku pressing me
Or I'll keep gambling to get him then hopefully pity for overhaul cause I still don't have him
Dont gamble
But
🥺
Either way I need overhaul and this is my best opportunity tbh since I'm only like 600 tickets away
And he's available for the pity
Time to grind
Atp I'll just save until Ibara gets on a banner tbh
Maybe she'll get a well-deserved qss soon 
I hoep so
Guys
I love Ibara
I will always main her
But right here rn starting my journey to become the best froppy main ever
My teacher has said I’ve proved myself as a wonderful Ibara main
It’s time for someone worse
frog is not someone worse
🥀
u get to have mobility and a free 200dmg combo if u land a beta
along with access to tunings that on ibara wont work properly compared to other choices
but its oki
I gave the okay
Someone I’m worse at
He was doubting his skills
Also im finally doing the Kurogiri with melee
lmao nasty
is he even better than rapidku? the true melee master
video title
Compress>
Slowly getting the hang of pc 
Is that so?
Play compress
He’s top 5 now so it’s a worthy investment!
That won’t help
Yes
What you staring at???
You
Mhm, keep going
You…
So real
I'm gonna kms
I just got Ibara in my anniversary gacha instead of any of my missing characters
Wait did you put her on the anniversary gacha
Isn't that the one where you select 8 characters and you're guaranteed one
woah fighting with lvl abilities
And with my rapid teammates abandoning me as soon as the game starts! Don't forget that part!
🔫
Freedom
Remember to always land on ur preferred spot
Learn the layout well and u will be set for any case
Thats how i escape ppl sometimes, just by knowing where to go

I was happy for you now I'm not cause of that user
yeah he didnt get there using ibara
rightfully so
I’m going back to my avoided name lol. Only changed it to that because of @dark berry changing there’s
*Voided whoops
In 3 days
I’ve landed the same spot on UA island for a year now!
6…7
so yall also land in the same spot every game
Almost yea, unless I feel like landing with my team
been landing fire zone since day one😭
tsk tsk tsk
Real asf twin 😭😭
its better to get used to a spot so u can outsmart ppl

well ofc
Obv, my pfp was weed for the longest time
And now it’s a word with it’s definition
Definitely underrated in my opinion I see like no one play her for how strong she is
cool
Underrated but understandably so
so she strong in her own way or just strong generally?
Generally
oh thats def good
Her only downsides are being stationary and no movement
@dark berry Ive brought a new young one into our ranks
i wont disapoint you sensei 🫡
Yo new believer??
Indeed indeed
But in this season?💀
Also indeed 😭😭
Absolute rip 🙏
Trust twin 😔
hey man i didnt even know ibara existed untill now
Ok never admit that again 😭
WHOO
loll
Shhhh have a little faith 😔
wait what i dont understand
A whole lot
ok im not gonna lie ibara is the most fun ive had in a while
Introducing my teacher 😭
My dear student you will come to eat those words soon enough
Oh but I didn't get an introduction?? 😔
Nah
You just live here
You’re like
The caretaker for the wonderful Ibara home(jokin)
those sinful must receive justice
Not you playing with me now
You’ll be ight
I’m always rude I just add a little flavor most of the time
Well consider adding sugar, d@mn
lol
No thank youuuu
Nah
So you gonna sound AND look ugly, rip😔✊
Yup 😔😤
theres some sourness here i can sense it
Go do your job house cleaner 😒
Want me to wear the maid dress like last time???
Nah these are the normal interactions
This can’t be for me? Cause twin HWAT?
Oh so now you're telling me you don't remember??
You were literally asking for me to buy ig we'll skip over that then🙄
Twin???
i dont see the problem
You win this round but I gotchu next time
You promise??
Go practice 🤣
i am but if i were u i wouldve said yes to that request
Monica….
WE should be practicing :3
Nah twin you can practice
I’m skilled enough 🥱
momo shred my hp omg bro
Then it wouldn't be practice
….my dear child
I hope you don’t crush their pride like you did mine 😔
It’s my TWINNNNNNN
Wsg
wait do i have to change my name to ibarawiththe___ cuz why is everyone here named that
We’re a cult….
It was an inside joke that became a cult
Nm nm teaching the new young one
ah yes how i love accidentally start a cult
Interesting interesting
also we do need a third sooo
Care to join when I hope on pc later?
Sure
Bet
It's a cult thing
🤣
wait i have a question rn whats the level order and why cant i catch anyone with my gamma
Ik
im too used to people like rapidgo forgive me
Alpha 5
Gamma 5
Beta 5
Alpha max
Then max whichever you want
As for gamma
@dark berry take it away cause I suck at explaining the whole catch frames thingy
Do you mean 4?? Since 5 does basically nothing
Nuh uh
so 4 or 5?
You should listen to me cause I have plenty of experience checking allll of his messes
tahts such a vaild point tho
Bs
Since last time I back talked you told me to call you master, am I supposed to do that here too??
PORQUE?
Yeah gang I’m baffled and befuddled on that note
@obsidian hedge Throw me a ping when to get on
Bet
me too me too
Ight 😭
so what do i do when im against tamaki and kurogiri by myself?
ok bro im sorry but i cant use ibara
im too used to playing people with some movement
ibara just has none
im sorry but im gonna leave ibara
I'd argue playing a character with no movement will better your movement fundamentals so you can move even better with characters with movement
This was like the first warning given 😭🤣
Good point...
Bro TBF I didnt expect this
Yeah her and Chisaki just explode if they aren’t positioned right
When I say no movement and stationary I mean it 🤣
Wow, still lying and pretending is wild
Anyways y'all have fun
Fym? I definitely was baffled and bamboozled
Once again you weren't baffled or bamboozled last time it happened
Indeed I was???
See what I mean with the lying??
WHERE?
RIGHT?!!
Also the game makes you leave ibara
as you gave up right then and there
they said it themselves you need ALOT of faith to use Ibara
But i cant wait till alot of fake individuals spawn and ibara chat becomes abundant because her quirkset
comes out
I will always be a Support Ibara enjoyer hitting her abilities is too satisfying and the revive is too good 
Plus hitting people that don't know not to mash on wake up is really funny just beta and they get punished
Also is Ibara's only combo really just melee 1 -> melee 1 -> melee 1 -> melee 1 -> gamma
It’s only right they make it an assault skillset…right?
oh about that
the changes made it so that she can air melee - melee 1 2 3
even with HP
which means u can combo into gamma
Oooooo I'll have to try this
Also where are the melee changes I see people talk about them but I have no idea what they are
Unlike others ibaras air melee would instantly knock people on the ground if they only had hp. Now you can follow up with ground melees apparently
Yeah I've heard people say that everyone's air melee got changed but I have no idea where to find exact numbers
🤷
Why do you play when I have to sleep
I got school tmw
Oh nvm
Funnily enough
Rated
A lot of people don’t play her to know the ebbs and flows of the character
She’s a stationary target that can put out single instances of high damage and resurrect people twice for the trade off of being very vulnerable and first to die
she’s definitely underrated, people still think she’s the worst character in the game
either that or bottom 5
like bruh we not in season 1
We DO NOT talk bout s1 Ibara
I’ve seen it the other way around
She’s treated like present mic
How
No one plays him but everyone hates him
no mobility + stationary attacks = bad i guess
i’ve also seen this too
Makes sense
In this meta, yeah kinda
I mean, there’s a reason why everyone keeps recommending running wall runner, and space hop
Without mobility you need to rely your teammates to cover you
And even if you have good teammates that can still fail
Having good ways to get away or at least make space is really valuable rn
Two resurrects REALLY make people angry
Also the everything else in her kit
Like literally everything else
I hear people calling for nerfs to her
https://medal.tv/games/my-hero-ultra-rumble/clips/ld6scg5zlsUwZi2bX?invite=cr-MSxPaDEsNDQ1OTQ3Mjk1&v=36 Why does it turn white
Watch Ibara's Camouflage by pneulysta and millions of other MY HERO ULTRA RUMBLE videos on Medal. Tags: #myheroultrarumble
That poor beta attempt…
I got scammed
Indeed you did
I still have no idea why Ibara's dress goes white when she goes invisible
No clue
I'm going to be real this meta just isn't for Ibara anymore like she's almost unplayable 😭
My faith does not sway even in this meta 
You're strong
Ikr
Oh you're here too?
Howdy
Honestly I just beta their wake up and most of them get hit. If they don't then I have armor for the rest of the beta which lets me roll if I time it right
There's only one issue I have with rapideku and it's this:
Hype in the anime, in the game it got me hitting
when I get hit by it
Actually wait
Lol
I should see if I can 180 beta when he locks onto me
Sometimes he just warps in front of you
I know Assault Kendo can 180 block with beta and it stuns him
Does he? I don't think that's happened to me yet
It happened to me last time I was Ibara
Man...
I wish
I tried gamma but his attacks just have more priority
You're better off countering with beta
Dang
I’ll just do beta then
Ohhhhhh nvm
I thought it was gonna be another training room beat me up again
There’s only but so many times you can shatter my pride before it’s in pieces
no no
i want to see
No no
if i wanted to do that
I would have thrown it here already
but seeing how the game is in maintenance
it can wait
See what? The average day in the life of a support ibara? 
You either win a landslide or lose by a landslide
No, inbetween
nah i just want to see how well u perform when you do have teammates that recognize ur existence
and plus i also wanna fight knowing that i have an ibara nearby
thats not ME
Oh even then i could still fumble sometimes
Because then our other teammate is halfway across the map
I freak out because they’re getting low
i wanna see ur strengths at least
I run across the field, trying to get to them
Is this an option
And die
see this is good
I wanna bully people in training 🥱
but could be done better with space hop :>
Space hop is vertical movement
I’m talking about horizontal
You would be surprised of how many teammates will just split up and never regroup
Even when low, they don’t look to come back to their teammates
I hate them all
They are the worst thing I have ever had the pleasure of fighting against
And they are the worst teammates I have ever had the pleasure of meeting
They are playing solos
In a 3 man team
They will get themselves killed, trying to keep their overdrive up
And even as a rapid they never run away
i agree
Like if they’re not fighting their entire family will die
yep
Also istg they can’t aim
At all
I’ve been killed by them more than I’ve actually been hit by their alpha
But who needs it when you have two giant AOE attacks and an auto tracking gamma and melee
these rapidkus though i will say
I HATE it when they do that tracking move
overdrive
and despite trying to dodge it
it just hits
It goes behind you and stuns
yes
but at least you can hit him as he charges
which is why ive been using tamaki often
I wanted to scream when I was playing momo against him
He doesn’t sit still for long
momo in this season
but its just enough time
to throw a move
but the move i do hate the most
is where he goes into the air
and slams down
almost dam near undodgeable
“TO CARRY ON THEIR WILL”
It genuinely is
But there’s a way to avoid it
Just neutral jump up
Crossplay 🤢
I was about to turn it off because cross playing ranked has been the ninth circle
I fought the afo skillset
It was a assault shiggy hacker who had the move set
The new one? 6 abilities one? 😭
typical
Yep
How’d it look
Idc about the damage I just want visuals
Tyyyy
How am I even supposed to fight against this bro? T-T
I’m not sure
I was hoping for at least some new patch notes
Me too 😔
CAN YOU SEE ALL OF ME
WALK INTO MY MYSTERY
STEP INSIDE AND HOLD INTO DEAR LIIIIIIIIIIFE
Whaaa
Guys don’t panic but I pulled Ibara casual wear🥹
YIIPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEE Stares into your soul
I need any of her PURs so bad 😭
I have all her costumes rn so I’m set
An Ibara PUR pretty please? 🫴
Good for you
Happy for you
I woke up at 6am sighed and pulled 🥹 ✌️
I WILL HOWEVER
K Y $ PLEASSE
Anyways
Hiii pookies
it means keep yourself safe
……………
Run me my fade
Like immediately
I'M SAYING
@stray abyss So when do u wanna play ranked together

Its okay if u say never
Ill just cri
Which youd probably want
Go somewhere 😒
No
Yes 😒
Even when I agree with you, you still gotta give attitude 😑
Begone insolent fool
Indeed
Nuh uh
Yes
u patting me
Oh @slim wadi is my OPP that’s all dw
You forgot the T in OP
like
Stop spreading bs information
Everything, I need to relearn everything but gamma from scratch
Who said it was bs??
Obviously I just did
Who besides your biased opinion??
The world and my opinions are very unbiased 😒
I’ll be free in a bit
Crazy
wild to go into ranked with a untuned ibara but respect
To be fair my build ain't much better
I don't have a PUR and I'm stingy with keys 😔
😔😔😔
I only play untuned now cause I have no fits
At all
I tune bare minimum without leveling up the slots
I only use characters I have a lot of data for
now let us playyy
I am
I’m on
Tf is that name…
YES
yes
prepare yourself
for suffering
and judgement i mean constructive critiscism
Oh god… rapid deku player…
yep it was bound to happen
i COULDVE switched
to like rendo
im surprised
i havent come across
a hacker
like ever since
What do u even do against a strike deku…
At least I kept you alive
It’s an AOE Fest…
There’s no safe place to stand
THERES NO WHERE SAFE
yeah
LMAO
but u actually
u really are like
a normal ibara
except that brought me joy
when u use gamma
I was so overwhelmed that match
