its for those that want the best, period, and makes no sense for basically anyone
#pc-gaming
full flint
smoky flame
The Division 2 is an AMD featured title btw so I don't think it would be favouring Nvidia hardware but at least AMD don't go adding features that wreck the competition's performance
full flint
performance favors nvidia,slightly is what i was saying, the 6800XT falls a couple fps shy of the 3080 there, where it beats it in most other titles
AIB cards with an extra 300+ mhz sustained clockspeed? different story of course
ampere does really badly at 1440p, compared to how it does at 4k
smoky flame
all I can say is I'm glad 1440p and 4K are now beyond "playable" at ultra settings
full flint
1440p has been beyond playable on ultra for awhile
4k is only starting to get there
5700XT/1080Ti/2070 super has been a viable 1440p ultra performance tier for a long while, its only starting to slip recently
btw, subtract like, 2 - 4% from these figures for a 5600X being used instead of the 5900X
minor, not worth caring about
smoky flame
and honestly, I'll take a hard pass on ray tracing for some time yet so it won't influence my decision on what card I go for. I can wait for as long as it takes for ray tracing to mature to the point where the impact it has on performance eventually becomes no heavier than some of the heavy hitting graphics settings today, ray tracing, for comparison being on a whole different league even to these settings
I think it is pretty evident what card I am now going for, as if it wasn't already clear enough though. Really taken a liking to AMD GPUs. Something that up until July this year I wouldn't have said
full flint
don't let LieutenantAmerica see you say that, he'll say "bu..bu..but DLSS" for the grand total of 15 games that support it, and ignore the fact that amd announced a DLSS equivalent that will be fully open source and supported on the consoles, meaning it'll win in terms of market adoption just like freesync did
lol i missed this one 😂
1440p ultra 240fps FH4 is INSANE
smoky flame
yeah, big ouch there!
full flint
240hz on ultra....
smoky flame
ngl, this has me seriously considering 4K tbh
little dome
jesus, thats an excessive amount of MLCC caps you got there on that 6800XT amd, guess you don't want instability due to crap capacitors and an incorrect voltage curve 😂
@full flint poscaps are worse for this
full flint
slightly less impressive 153 on ultra at 4k
little dome
lol i missed this one 😂
@full flint damn, thats a big difference from nvidias top card
slightly less impressive 153 on ultra at 4k
@full flint 153 is still impressive
full flint
i mean, i guess its all relative, 153 on ultra at 4k is still bonkers, and 167 for the 6900XT
i know poscaps are far worse for it Squirky, but i didn't quite expect amd to use that many mlcc caps, its overkill, in every possible way, totally unneccesary, but still awesome
smoky flame
ok, The Division 2 at 4K is still horrid. Maybe I'll wait on 4K a little longer. 1440p is plenty for now I think 🙂
full flint
then again amd reference designs are ALWAYS overkill... you could run two vega64s on the vega64 reference vrm, with room to spare
75fps isn't horrid SUB
and your AIB model of choice will be between 5 and 20% faster than these results depending on exactly how high they manage to clock it
smoky flame
that's about what I get now, maybe a little lower on my current system. I'd rather see more FPS than I'm getting right now
full flint
ayyyy, sisoftware accidentally published their zen3 review early https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-8-core-ryzen-5-5600x-6-core-zen-3-desktop-cpus-review-sisoftware/ , with slides
smoky flame
maybe I'll think about 4K after RDNA 3 or RTX 40 series launches. Surely by then 4K will be how 1440p is now with these cards
full flint
6 core zen3 is faster than 8 core zen2, 8 core zen3 is faster than 12 core zen2, and faster than the 10900k, even in multithreaded work
https://www.sisoftware.co.uk/2020/10/29/amd-ryzen3-5800x-review-benchmarks-cpu-8-core-16-thread-performance/ oh hey the review is still up
smoky flame
I do wonder if it is worth me maybe considering going up a step with my CPU upgrade or do you think the 5600X will remain fine for some time yet just gaming?
full flint
Considering Zen2 is ~40% faster than Zen+ (never mind original Ryzen), Zen3 is in effect 2x faster than Zen+ – a 2x (96%) improvement over just 2 generations, while core counts remained the same (unlike Intel that just increased core counts). Also consider you can now get a 16-core/32-threads AM4 CPU (which originally only went up to 6-cores), it is like having a 32-core Ryzen in the same AM4 slot – a 5.3x increase in overall performance. heh, from the start of am4, until now, they've doubled performance at the same core count, and at the maximum core count there's a 5.3x performance increase vs zen1
in 2 generations, that's madness
the extra $250 for the 12 core will give you low single digit gains in games, and quite literally straight up double performance everywhere else
that's your call, but purely for gaming? don't bother. there's only a 4 - 6% difference between a 3600 and a 3900X in gaming too
smoky flame
ok, 5600X I stick with 🙂
full flint
what else are you going to be doing?
smoky flame
purely just gaming really
full flint
then yeah, 5600X is fine for a few years
full flint
hey Dark, did you see the new benchmark data for the RDNA2 stuff? and the zen3 review i posted above? 😄
😂
like the driver nvidia had to release to downclock ampere to keep it from crashing constantly?
😄
rough ice
guys help i cant find the reason as to why my Xbox Series X is slower than my PS5
they said it would be faster
full flint
first off, you're in the wrong channel, you want #general-chat , second, you're impersonating linus using him as your pfp, and third, neither machine is out yet so why you be trolling yo?
analog sapphire
bc it's made out of your imagination, which is malfunctioning
rough ice
damn ok @analog sapphire
devout remnant
Looking forward to the 6800XT & 6900 XT 🙌
dry wolf
Hey guys can someone help me
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analog sapphire
oh that was like 2 hrs ago whoops
full flint
😂 i do that all the time
full flint
ayyyy, someone did a chart with the averages of all of the new rdna2 benches from today, nice .
at 1440p, the RX6800 is only 5.22% slower than the RTX 3080 on average, the 6800XT is faster than the 3090, and the 6900XT is faster still, on average
if this holds in a larger suite, uh yeah... nvidia's in trouble, i mean, they're in trouble anyway, the worst these things are going to be is on par, if you slant the suite towards nvidia on purpose
if these things have any oc headroom at all, or if aib cards come in at the clockspeeds that got leaked last week..... all three rdna2 cards will beat nvidia's flagship at 1440p, instead of just two of them 😂
tender bloom
couple questions guys, appreciate any help you can give
- what should my gpu mhz boost be in afterburner (2070 super mobile)
- crashes related to undervolting wont hurt my cpu, right?
- my cpu seemed stable at -89.8mv, should i try to work my way back up (but not all the way up, cause it was crashing)
- should i make custom fan curves in silent option fan control for my cpu and gpu, (i7 10750H and again, rtx 2070 super mobile respectively), and what should they be?
thanks
fervent nimbus
should i get a gtx 1660
full flint
why not just get a 3080
surreal moss
Yeah why not ez pz
smoky flame
Lieutenant, I'm still waiting on my 3080 that I ordered back on launch day (September 17th) and judging by how poor things seem to be going for this GPU I don't expect to receive it until early 2021. Nvidia, partners and retailers might only just manage to fulfil all existing backorders by the end of Q1 2021 too
full flint
https://www.sisoftware.co.uk/2020/10/30/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-zen3-review-benchmarks-cpu-16-core-32-thread-performance/ first 5950x review out in the wild
ayyyyy, 6800 non XT, 4k shadow of the tomb raider with RT enabled
46 fps beats the 3080, if you're curious, 1440p result this guy got is heavily cpu bound as its only a 3500X, which is such a weird cpu pairing for this lol
he did 1440p too, result this guy got is heavily cpu bound as its only a 3500X, which is such a weird cpu pairing for this lol
smoky flame
SotTR doesn't use DLSS 2.0/2.1 right? Not that it can be used in this instance but it could be used to save the 3080 if it is DLSS 2.0. Even at that I'm really liking the sounds of AMD's DLSS rival that will be open source and can be enabled in any game (not just those with ray tracing) while DLSS is limited to mostly games with ray tracing. A few exceptions and fewer still that have yet to update to DLSS 2.0/2.1
I'm guessing AMD's version would just be an option that can be toggled on or off within Radeon Software either on a global level (probably not ideal that) or per game profile
full flint
at least according to computerbase it beats it. nobody else really has any new test showing ampere in this title with RT on, only turing, and sotr has been updated since the turing days, so cant really compare
nah, amd's option still has to be implimented in games by devs, but the difference is, its fully open source, can be used on any platform and by any gpu of sufficient featureset, including nvidia and intel gpus, and on the consoles. being open source means devs can work with it without having to request help from nvidia, and without sending in game data for nvidia to crunch on its supercomputers if they decide to help you
devs can operate entirely independantly of both gpu vendors and still use it, and because of this, it will win. because it will be heavily used on the consoles, it will win
it will see really widespread use on series X, so they can go subnative and gain a ton of gpu overhead to use for better graphics. all the games that use it there should also be using it on the pc versions, for the same reasons. and unless nvidia pays all these devs (which would be illegal) to use dlss and not to use amds solution (which would be extremely illegal), amd's super resolution has already won because of that
ayyy second source for RT performance on ampere in this title
and its consistent with the first source, great we know this is accurate performance now
oh look at that, 3080 gets 80.7fps at 1440p with RT on on ultra preset. so does the 6800 non XT
even while being cpu bottlenecked a bit by the 3500X as you can see in the graph
only 73% of the time spent gpu bound, so it'll score higher with a proper cpu
ayyyy, hey @smoky flame , this is funny 😂 check this out
despite being cpu bound 25% of the time in that test, a 3070 with DLSS enabled is comprable to a 6800 non XT (its direct competitor) with no DLSS in this title at 1440p ultra with RT on (6800 would actually straight up just win if tested with a proper cpu)
so even DLSS can't save nvidia 😂
smoky flame
omg 😄
full flint
and they're redoing some testing, he's disabling cores and threads on his 3700X to turn it into a 3500X, and he's also running non DLSS performance on the 3070 as we speak
so he's gonna update that chart soon 😂
dang, he's moving fast 😂 2080Ti DLSS added
ayyy SUB, you still here? 3070 non DLSS figures added
floral quail
and they said 3070 is better than 2080ti
full flint
so yep, DLSS isn't going to help nvidia at 1440p here, when the slowest rdna2 card is still roughly matching its dlss performance with RT enabled
and they still haven't retested with the 3500X yet, that's next (disabling cores and disabling SMT on the 3700X will get you a 3500X), which will drop the numbers for the nvidia cards in that chart, and become apples to apples with the 6800 numbers
full flint
omg.... intel's rocketlake performance claims (double digit ipc gains, etc) have a 15% margin of error, which means that ipc could be 5% worse than last gen, and their data still technically fits and their claim is technically true
inner rampart
smoky flame
Nvidia never said the 3070 was better than the 2080 Ti (I think) equal, likely to trade blows more likely which for what $499? is still a bargain considering what people paid for their 2080 Ti when it launched ($999)
newer games optimized for Ampere rather than Turing may show advantages for the 3070 but the 11GB on the 2080 Ti is almost an equalizer, especially in higher res gaming
full flint
yup
devout remnant
I’m pretty sure Nvidia said 3070 is faster than a Ti in their briefing.
full flint
they did, actually, but its actually slower in a lot of games
full flint
lol nvidia's announcing the 3060Ti on november 17th to desperately try and shift the news away from rdna2 and back onto ampere
it didn't work for the 3070, and its not going to work for that
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16210/intels-discrete-gpu-era-begins-intel-launches-xe-max-for-entrylevel-laptops intel's first discreet gpu... is slightly faster than an MX350, which means that ryzen 5000 series APUs and their rdna2 based gpus will completely demolish these things. some of the features are pretty cool though, and have more implications in datacenter than in laptops, its just a bit weird they're launching them in mobile instead of actually datacenter atm
smoky flame
ehh, when it comes down to it paper specs alone should put the 3070 ahead of the 2080 Ti, even factoring in the 11GB it has over the 3070's 8GB. Too bad games can't make proper use of CUDA cores (and AMD's equivalent) because if they did we'd definitely be seeing improvements and both the 3080 and 3090 would be way out ahead
full flint
SUB, the problem with that statement is assuming that all shaders are created equal. the reason ampere is under utilized is because if there's any int instructions at all on a given cycle, half of the cuda cores can ONLY be used for int work on that cycle, even though int only accounts for about 30% of instructions for gaming workloads. so a third of the gpu is idle basically all the time while gaming. there are other issues and bottlenecks at play as well, but that's the big one.
if you run a purely FP workload on ampere, like tile based 3d rendering, the performance uplift over turing is roughly linear, but for games it isn't and can never be, due to how they designed ampere
smoky flame
I see
full flint
ampere was designed first as a datacenter card, that design limitation isn't a problem in the datacenter
nvidia made the same mistake amd made almost a decade ago
it tried to use the same architecture for computational work as it uses for gaming, amd tried that with GCN, and while it worked great for a bit, they eventually fell behind, and utilization is a big problem on GCN era amd cards
on paper they're monsters, and for compute they show it, but games can't actually use most of that power
smoky flame
what about AMD though? How do their cards fair if games could fully use the available cores within a GPU
full flint
rdna2 seems to be laser focused on gaming performance, and they've split and are continuing evolutions of gcn for compute (cDNA is a gcn derived compute only architecture)
utilization seems to be improved, thanks in large part to the infinity cache being able to actually keep the gpu fed, especially at lower resolutions which is why it gains ground relative to nvidia at 1440p, it has the bandwidth to keep the card working, and to keep data fed to all of those shaders
ampere simply doesn't, even with their 320 bit GDDR6x interface (3080)
infinitycache is nearly twice as fast as a 384 bit G6 bus, and like 75% faster than the 320 bit G6X bus on ampere
smoky flame
ooh
full flint
its something dumb like 1.7TB/s bandwidth
RTX 3080 has 760GB/s bandwidth, 3090 has 936
1660GB/s for infinity cache
so i was right, its something dumb 😄
i was wrong though, its more than twice as much bandwidth as a 3080, though its a small pool of cache, its enough to keep dispatching work while you do regular memory fetches for things
smoky flame
nice, really looks like AMD never needed HBM to achieve amazing speeds with memory. This infinity cache is some computing wizardry though. How on earth does so little (128MB) do so much? 
full flint
its also enough to store the bulk of the bvh heirarchy in cache, rather than thrashing memory while doing RT work constantly. which explains why its doing so well in tomb raider as seen earlier today, better than it should on paper
because its ridiculously fast, and ridiculously low latency compared to graphics memory, and it lets the shaders move on to new tasks very rapidly
they still need to pull data in from memory, this is true, but they can start work very quickly, instead of waiting for a memory read before they can do anything
if the data a given shader core needs is sitting in cache, from having been computed by another shader a few cycles beforehand, it can begin work without a lengthy delay for a memory write and another for a read operation to get the data to the next shader
this is why cache is always so useful, its bloody fast, even if its small
its also a big reason for zen3's performance increases vs zen2, each core has direct access to twice as much cache, and can talk to the rest of the cores on the die without ever going to memory first, where with zen2, if the core that needed the data was on another CCX, you had to travel to memory, and that's a 100+ ns delay
the cache is expensive though, SUB, in terms of the die area cost of putting that much of it on there
roughly 8 - 10% of the die area appears to be used for infinity cache, which is not insignificant
more memory controllers for a wider traditional memory implimentation would be nearly as large, to be fair
best guess block diagram for rdna2, its pretty accurate from what i can see
smoky flame
this is all pretty cool and you clearly know a lot
full flint
i read a lot, and hang out in extremely nerdy discord servers, like the graphics programming discord
but yeah, this cache is definitely why rdna2 is scaling so well as resolutions fall, where you're not utilizing all of your shaders anymore, but need to be able to feed fewer shaders with more and more data
1080p performance should be even higher relative to ampere, where ampere is barely faster than turing at 1080p
obviously 1080p performance isn't a focus for cards of this calibre, but we'll get testing done on it by the usual outlets
smoky flame
hmm idk but I see potential for AMD to merge the two 64MB infinity caches in a future GPU or is it set that way for a reason? Seeing them like that isn't it almost Zen 2-like as you mentioned before?
full flint
no, they have to be arranged that way, because all data that comes in from memory takes a trip through it too
and your memory controllers must be at the edge of the die, they just have to be, and you can see them there
there are 4 shader engines here, 4 groups of up to 20CUs basically, each with 1MB of L2 cache, and each bolted to 64MB of infinity cache
all controlled by a central group of command processors and schedulers and other fixed function nonsense in the yellow block you see in the middle there
smoky flame
so this is almost chiplet like or at least CCX and CCD
full flint
yes but also no, because the link between all of that crap on-die is several TB/s, and latencies are obscenely low
data that fits in cache can be sent anywhere else on-die without a trip to memory
there's obviously always some latency involved, its traveling some distance and the speed of light is finite
each CU has its own local L1 cache, each shader engine has a block of shared L2 cache, and then at the level above that is a giant block of L3 cache on this design. each cache level has dramatically higher latency than the level below it, but memory is magnitudes slower
smoky flame
hmm maybe there is potential for AMD to merge or rather double up on these shader engines then. 4 of these engines doing what they do now vs 2 with double what they have. Idk but it all looks really cool and looks as though there is room for further improvements yet. Really hope Navi remains a thing for some time
full flint
actually, the next step is going to be to split all of these shader engines off of this die, and put them in chiplets. once amd's active interposer designs are ready to go, they'll run all the fixed function stuff, and memory controllers, and L3 cache in a central control die, and then they can run multiple chiplets for any given shader count they need. nvidia is also working on this, but amd has a decade+ headstart on this kind of tech, they've been working towards it since fiji (fury-x)
the only thing stopping them right now from doing this for a gaming gpu is that current passive interposers don't have the bandwidth needed to pull it off
smoky flame
hmm, so we could see chiplets carry the equivalent of the above, or more yet and chiplets being chiplets I guess we'll see more than one of them in some future GPU?
full flint
yes, precisely. as shrinks become harder, its the only way gpu tech can proceed. we've already seen it happening with cpus, and its possible with cpus because link bandwidth between chiplets and i/o are much, much slower. infinity fabric is something like 50GB/s on zen2 (bi-directional, so you an send at 50GB/s while also recieving at 50GB/s)
you need more like, 5TB/s to do this with a gpu, and that requires an active interposer being driven by some kind of asic, because you can't build a wide enough bus to achieve that with passive traces
fun fact, amd's purchase of xilinx will be critical to achieving that goal. its about more than just getting into new markets
smoky flame
yeah, I heard about that deal. Did it go through fine? Nvidia's deal with ARM seems to have been held back
full flint
it hasn't closed, but there are no real regulatory hurdles here like there are with nvidia's bid for arm
nvidia sells mobile cpus and self driving car SOCs, buying arm gives them an unfair competitive advantage in that they can keep the latest arm core designs for their own chips and make their competition fall behind, thus squeezing everyone else out of those markets
xilinx make fpgas and other things that amd has no market in at all right now
smoky flame
that would be very unfair. I'll be surprised if Nvidia can actually pull this deal off based on that
surreal moss
This rocket lake flagship is looking really interesting
An incomplete userbenchmark scored just short of the 10900k with only a 4.2ghz boost clock
Strangely enough the memory attached was a single 31GB stick at 2667
Who is running this... thing... of a pc lol
full flint
31GB stick makes no sense 😂 its a fake or bugged entry
tons and tons and tons of fake nonsense gets uploaded onto userbenchmark constantly
also, a 10900k running actually in spec only runs 4.2 all-core sustained anyway, so a 4.2ghz 8c rocketlake matching it would mean intel's double digit ipc gain claim is true. The bigger issue is intel's disclaimer that margin of error on all performance claims is +/- 15%, which means they shouldn't even be making statements about performance in the first place yet, because the chips nowhere near ready. 15% error margin is obscene
smoky flame
this rocket lake is meant to be the 10nm backport/last of 14nm right?
full flint
yes, its a 14nm backport of willow cove (icelake)
it wont be enough to overtake zen3, because clockspeeds will take a hit due to the much larger FPU
full flint
also, gaming performance testing is going to be interesting. the 6900XT seems to be the fastest gaming gpu going forward, and that means that intel's at a 5 - 10%+ disadvantage due to smart access memory alone, when comparing the two for gaming
devout remnant
I’d be wary of that though
full flint
ok but how is it reading as a 31 gig stick?
devout remnant
AMDs benchmarks aren’t 100% accurate.
surreal moss
It was via an msi z590 too which is neat
It had something indicative of native AVX512 support so that’ll be neat as well
full flint
native avx512 support was a given as soon as we learned they're backporting cove cores
full flint
mobos dont need to support avx512, its a cpu instruction set
surreal moss
Now we can mostly assume it won’t try and interfere with the instruction on launch mobo
No motherboard plays into that greatly especially when doing auto voltage adjustments when running them
full flint
rocket lake will go sub 3ghz during avx512 operations across all 8 cores, otherwise the cpu will melt
sustained clockspeeds are taking a huge nosedive specifically because of avx512
smoky flame
how big of a deal is this AVX512?
full flint
if the 125W PL1 is enforced, clockspeeds during floating point work are going to be very low, and if its not enforced, we're not talking about stock performance anymore
surreal moss
I’m excited to see the boards tbh. The extra lanes will be very noice for direct storage attachment
full flint
AVX512 is very useful for specific types of compute workloads, and not at all for consumers on a mainstream socket
surreal moss
I’ll get a 980 pro and we’ll be good to go
smoky flame
so it is more a prosumer instruction set?
full flint
not really even that, its for specific types of scientific compute work, and some datacenter stuff
prosumers don't really even benefit from it outside of very specific types of workloads, like h.265 video encoding, where you can see some nice speedups if you have memory bandwidth to match
smoky flame
damn, what's that even doing on a consumer CPU then?
full flint
unfortunately, with a 125W PL1, avx512 clockspeeds will be very low, sub 3ghz for sure, and that will erode much of the performance gains that they otherwise could have had
its on a consumer cpu because removing it requires redesigning the core, and that's counter productive
smoky flame
Sounds a pretty redundant feature but then again it is Intel we're talking. Still on 14nm over 5 years later 
full flint
they could in theory simply disable it on mainstream chips, but that too is kinda pointless, you can count the number of consumer programs that support avx512 on one hand, and that isn't really going to change
surreal moss
I’ve told you this before
The whole 14nm bad thing is a terrible stance and looks like you’re reciting what you read on Reddit
full flint
intel's 14nm is very impressive, its just not impressive enough anymore with what amd are now accomplishing. they badly need to shift nodes going forward, but they aren't ready yet
surreal moss
Node size equates to efficiency, but not how well a company is developing. There’s a reason these 14nm chips are still competing with 7nm chips that are HALF the size
Rocket lake is a 10nm standard back port and alder lake will be the full 10nm superfin
full flint
XLR8, not when run at intel spec they aren't. clamp a 10900k to 125W after 56 seconds and sustained turbos nosedive to 4.2ghz for int work, 3.8ghz for avx workloads and nowhere near the 4.8 all-core they do when you overclock them to allow them to break spec
rocketlake isn't 10nm at all, its 100% purely 14nm, they took the 10nm willow cove and ported it to 14nm
alderlake is supposed to be superfin, you're correct about that though
surreal moss
Nobody cares about that because the 14nm node is matured enough to run at PL2 at all times
smoky flame
PL2 at what 250w 100% of the time?
surreal moss
It’s literally a 10nm part inside a chip with 14nm supplementary components
It’s not the 14nm back port you’re thinking of
full flint
if we're talking stock performance, then running the chip at actual stock speeds should be a thing that is done. its fine if you want to compare OC vs OC, but when testing stock, you test with the PL1 duration and power limit in place otherwise its not actually a legitimate test
surreal moss
Again nobody cares about that. You put the chip in the mobo, the mobo overrides that because the chips have so much more headroom than that, and your experience isn’t even close
I get what you’re saying, but literally nobody in the pc world cares about stock testing legitimacy
full flint
if you're reviewing a processor and claiming that you're testing at stock, testing at actual stock should be required otherwise you're literally lying to your viewers
surreal moss
I mean if you pull the chip out of the box, put it in a mobo, fire it up without changing anything, and that’s how it performs, then that’s going to be the “stock” experience for most people on the planet
This sounds like saltiness more than anything else
full flint
by the way, find me one quote from a tech news outlet that says rocketlake is 10nm, because every single thing i can find says its straight up 14nm across the board, no 10nm silicon inside of it at all
different motherboards enforce different boost behaviour though, if you put the chip in an asus motherboard you're getting intel stock unless you explicitly bypass the power limits, for example, which reviewers of course did, thus making it not stock for those boards again
if you put the board in a budget motherboard, it'll also be clamped down to intel spec
smoky flame
speaking of Asus, what is that multicore enhancement feature they have on their motherboards?
full flint
testing at true stock is the only way to represent the actual performance on any compatible motherboard across the board
MCE runs all cores at the single core turbo clockspeed, by dumping whacktons of voltage into the chip and allowing it to guzzle unfathomable amounts of power, its an overclock, a very bad one, but loads of reviewers use that too
smoky flame
wow, glad I have that off then
I have everything at auto and MCE off
on my 6700K. Still not even sure if that is stock or what
full flint
yeah, that'll be stock
devout remnant
I finally turned off the LED on my ASUS motherboard after 1.5 years
Didn’t know you could.
full flint
intel's quad cores were incapable of drawing enough power to violate spec until the 7700k came out (and running that with PL2 duration unlimited will let it pull 150w+ in some workloads)
smoky flame
heh yeah, took me just as long (probably longer) to figure that out too, EnVii 😄
full flint
EnVii, its been a thing for like, a decade 😂
devout remnant
Arghhh I didn’t knowwww but that orange LED was driving me nuts 😂
full flint
lol
smoky flame
can AMD CPUs be set to all auto (stock) too or is that not recommended? I hear Ryzen likes to run at a pretty high voltage
full flint
auto is fine, the voltage isn't actually running that high, the instant there's any kind of load the voltage hits what you'd expect. its a side effect of the way they power gate idle cores (shutting them off completely), when monitoring software pings the cpu to figure out what voltage the cores are running at, they wake from idle, and that transient spike is what's being recorded
when a cpu core powers on, a burst of voltage hits it so it can quickly ramp to full speed to respond to incoming load, amd tweaked the way the sensors report data at some point last year and you dont even read those 1.5v spikes anymore in the first place
surreal moss
MCE just activates the all core OC and removes the time limits on the power phases
And chat just updates
Nice
full flint
MCE runs all cores at the single core turbo, or it did prior to this generation, did that change with 10th gen?
if you enable MCE on a 9900k, every core runs at 5ghz, which is the single core turbo clockspeed
it also eats like 275w, so there's that, yay overvolting the crap out of a cpu, good job mobo vendors
smoky flame
wow
surreal moss
All MCE really does is removes the time limits on the power phases. The clock speed is always overriden by whatever you manually set (which if you’re in the bios messing with stuff, you probably have one set) If you don’t set anything it just runs the single core boost on all cores.
So if you tell a 10700k to run at 5.2 all cores, it’ll allow it to run at 5.2 all cores with unlimited usage of PL2
smoky flame
my 6700K doesn't seem to pass 4GHz yet it is said to boost up to 4.2GHz, which I guess is a single core boost
smoky flame
good to know. How differently do AMD's CPUs behave if I was to set them to auto?
surreal moss
Well
They usually pull back a little bit when actually running at 100%
Just like .1-.2
Oh nvm
Auto is really the best setting. OCing them doesn’t get you much
full flint
amd cpu's don't have fixed turbo tables depending on how many cores are active. they have a maximum turbo, a defined maximum power limit (142w stock), and the chip clocks as high as it can for the load its under while keeping under that predefined power limit, and a temperature threshhold, so long as the motherboard VRM is reporting acceptable temperatures
surreal moss
I run the 3900x on auto. I’m able to OC to some pretty good spots, but they get very hot very quickly at not much benefit for what I use it for.
So cool and quiet is my choice
full flint
that 142w limit is for the 105w cpus i should mention, 65w cpus have an 88w maximum defined allowable power draw, assuming the same conditions are met (motherboard vrm able to cope, cpu temps and voltages not passing certain threshholds)
basically SUB, its complicated and hard to really define in certain terms, because it will vary cpu to cpu, and with your particular setup
smoky flame
really can't wait to get my hands on the 5600X
surreal moss
It’s like the 3080 GPU tables we talked about when they were crashing because of improper tabling
full flint
if you have a terrible board and ambients are like, 30c+, and are using a crap cooler, it wont boost as well as if conditions are better
zen2 and beyond behave like a gpu in terms of how boost works basically, rather than like an intel cpu
intel will adopt this behaviour eventually too, because rigid turbo tables are starting to bit them on the butt (which is why they've stopped reporting anything but the single core turbo and the base clock)
boosting as far as you can for the environment and load conditions you're facing is the way to do things going forward
if you're curious as to how voltage reads on ryzen these days
smoky flame
I think sticking to stock is how it should be. Minimal issues with temperatures and games that don't play nice with overclocks. Such games are likely rare but still. All that time spent overclocking a CPU only for a game to either break or not run because of it? no fun. Same applies for GPUs in my eyes
full flint
source : me, just now lol
smoky flame
nice, that's pretty low (I think?)
full flint
not really, nor is it particularly high
smoky flame
almost certain my 6700K is running just shy of 1.3V and that is meant to be stock. Was told a while back I'd be able to lower it to 1.2V
full flint
stock voltage is supposed to be 1.2v on the 3600, mine wants 1.26v under heavy stress, that's acceptable and well within a safe range for zen2
smoky flame
I've heard some Zen 2 or Ryzen CPUs overall reaching 1.4v, possibly even passing that. ngl, when I read that it scared me but seeing this it doesn't bother me so much
Hopefully Zen 3 plays nice with B550
full flint
its designed explicitly for b550 and x570 from the start
some x470 and b450 boards already got their beta bioses to support zen3 like 3 months early, so thats cool
smoky flame
are bios updates any hassle on Ryzen?
surreal moss
Depends on the board
full flint
they're exactly the same as anything else
put file on flash drive, put flash drive in usb port, go into bios and tell it to flash bios. alternatively, put flash drive into specific usb port and hit usb flashback button while no cpu is installed, and wait a few minutes
most B550 and X570 (nearly all) boards have usb flashback on them
full flint
1.4 under sustained heavy stress is pushing it, and you only see 1.4v in single threaded during torture loops anyway, with auto voltages
which is perfectly normal
smoky flame
ahh, that sounds easy then. Idk what I was reading some time back that had me all worked up on Ryzen. Something that required AMD sending out some update kit
full flint
multithreaded you'll never see it go over 1.3v stock really
surreal moss
I never kept you updated but I hit 4.4 all core on that 2700x with around that voltage
It was like 1.38
full flint
oh, that was only if you had a board that lacked usb flashback and came with a bios that didn't support a newer generation cpu, and the same problem would have been a thing for intel owners buying a, say for example Z170 board and a 7700k
flashback was rare on 300 series boards, its a common thing now, and included on both boards i reccomended you for your own build SUB
including the cheaper ones
smoky flame
nice, panic avoided again. I really like this. Things seem to be piecing together for me, maybe too nicely
full flint
highlighted usb port and that handy dandy little button is what you need
surreal moss
All bios since like 2014 allow you to update it directly within the bios if you don’t have a flashback button
It’s nothing to worry about
full flint
yeah, but if he gets a b550 board that somehow doesn't have a new enough bios out of the box for zen3 support, it still doesnt matter because any board i'd reccomend him has flashback anyway
as seen above
surreal moss
That’s impossible for a 550
full flint
not true, you need a bios that supports combopi v 1.0.0.8 or above for zen3 to post on a 500 series motherboard
surreal moss
Nevermind I read gen3 not zen3
smoky flame
I can't remember the last time I done a bios update tbh. Even with the supposedly high end Z170 board I have it hasn't received an update in at least a year, maybe two now
full flint
its not really a problem, i think only like, 8 B550 boards lack flashback, and 2 of them are biostar boards and the other 6 are extremely low end boards with no vrm heatsinks that you dont want anyway
heh, really really really cheap motherboards have disgusting I/O
and this board is unfit to be used with ANY cpu, and biostar should not be allowed to sell it
oh my dear jesus they charge $98 for that thing 😂
how are they even still in business?
smoky flame
I asked around on the other server I'm in that's really into tech about the pcpartpicker build you done and it was all good from them too. Though someone updated it a little by adding the 5600X and 6800 XT as custom parts. Something I think they mentioned could only be done when logged in to pcpartpicker
full flint
i mean, yeah, i was just too lazy 😂
and i didnt think you needed help remembering those two parts
smoky flame
no but I just wasn't aware that could be done until I got the link lol
full flint
yeah, you can
smoky flame
anyway, the crazy thing is that is about as much as I spent way back in 2016 on my PC. Back then I got a 6700K, 16GB DDR4 2133MHz, Corsair H100i v2 AIO, 980 Ti, 250GB SSD + 2TB HDD. Not completely breaking the bank and getting pretty much a whole system for about the price of a 3090 FE
full flint
yup, 3090 is dumb
smoky flame
only thing I may have to add is a new PSU yet but I'll see how my 2016 Corsair RM650i holds up before spending any more than I may have to
full flint
Anyone know if I can play a GFWL game without the cd key?
No intention of playing online
storm urchin
Rtx 3070 or rx 6800
full flint
RX6800
quiet swallow
Ryzen 5800x and RX 6800xt 😻
full flint
Wdy guy think about swtor , i played with different characters but didnt finish the campaign with one, the grind gets boring, and the story can dip
If i played it earlier then maybe i would appreciate it but not now the sith probably has the best story out of the bunch even the starter planets
MMOs usually suffer pretty hard in a lot of areas since more developmental focus is used up in more specific areas. Wasn't a huge fan of SWTOR for a lot of reasons (that I can't remember, it's been too long), but that's pretty much par for the course with how I feel about MMOs.
I havent touched a proper mmo since mxo days, then i stumbled upon swtor. It was ok for the most part but it does lack in other areas. The next mmos i would play would be ff14 or something as its been well received, and monster hunter those are it
FFXV and MH aren't MMOs.
I think you might be getting MMOs and RPGs mixed up.
Nah ff is mmo also mh
How is a single-player game (FFXV) an MMO?
MMO stands for Massively Multi-player Online. Like World of Warcraft, for example.
Ffiv
Ah. FFXIV. I getchu now.
😅
Was super confused there. MH doesn't really fall into the MMO category either, though.
Monster hunter online
Ah.
I'm clearly not up-to-date on what MMOs are available nowadays. XD
Those 2 are quite popular in the mmo community
😂
Yeah I stopped playing MMOs before 2010, honestly.
Why was that
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Moved on to greener pastures. Single-player RPGs are usually infinitely better.
Because you became a nihil
😅😭
Nihil?
Nihilist
I don't think nihilism applies here.
Wdym
All hail ¯_(ツ)/¯. In its 11 strokes, the symbol encapsulates what it's like to be an individual on the Internet. ... ¯_(ツ)/¯ represents nihilism, “bemused resignation,” and “a Zen-like tool to accept the chaos of universe.” It is Sisyphus in unicode.
I'm not sure how to respond to that.
Thats the most stressed out looking face ive ever seen ngl
full flint
I'm not surprised, XLR8. 😂
surreal moss
I live to make people feel bad about themselves
Not in a self depreciation way
But in a “I wish I was brad” way
full flint
I'm pretty sure I have a Messiah complex.
full flint
Probably explains a lot about me, if I'm honest.
surreal moss
full flint
😂
remote vapor
full flint
Western digital black SN 850 boi
still wolf
What
smoky flame
lol
full flint
coarse pond
So board partners came out about the 3070 delay and said "they wouldn't have had a single card" according to a video steve just released
also has more information about the 3080 20gb and 3070 16gb cancellation
full flint
just released?
this is the new one
https://youtu.be/6300pNug9A4
coarse pond
The other day I guess. Still new to me and no one else was talking about it here
Someone here mentioned that that wasn't the reason that the 3070 was delayed but apparently it was
full flint
yeah, nvidia messed this launch up in every possible way, and its worse than i've ever seen a hardware launch before
coarse pond
When you're on top for so many years I guess they just get too big of an ego. Similar to intel too.
full flint
wasn't really about ego, they got outmaneuvered by amd. they thought that even on a cheaper, inferior process node they would be far, far, far ahead of anything amd could produce. to compound the problem, amd has been buying basically 100% of spare tsmc 7nm wafer supply for over a year now, and have made themselves tsmcs single largest customer, so nvidia can't fix this in any reasonable amount of time now even if they wanted to. Nvidia should have delayed their launch by 6 months, but doing so would mean amd would be uncontested this cycle. So its lose-lose and no choice nvidia could have made here was a good one once it became clear that amd had not only competitive cards, but seemingly outright faster ones
its also the reason for the dramatically lower priced flagship vs last gen ($700 instead of $1200), and the tricky marketing tactic of calling the flagship the 3080 instead of the 3080Ti, to make it look like its only replacing the 2080, and not the 2080Ti
coarse pond
I just meant that they thought they would be okay and still would still have the best product, I guess. Them being on top for so long I think they didn't think AMD was going to have anything close to them ready and more supply.
full flint
more supply was something amd was guaranteed to have, these gpus are going to be their like, 9th design on the 7nm node, where ampere is nvidia's first on samsung's node, and it shows with the problems they're having manufacturing them.
the node sucks, and nvidia didn't have the benefit of multiple generations to work out the kinks to make the node work
coarse pond
Yup! I bet they are really regretting that now too though
full flint
whether they regret it or not, they didn't really have a choice
amd is buying all of tsmc's spare capacity, and that leaves nvidia out of luck doing any kind of mass production at tsmc right now
coarse pond
If they had the foresight that amd had on just going with tsmc.
full flint
amd has leverage too, they're tsmcs largest customer, and a ton of their patents are in tsmc 7nm and even more are in tsmcs 5nm node, so nvidia will have to wait in line, tsmc needs amd, they don't strictly need nvidia
that's exactly the issue, nvidia can't just go tsmc for a high volume part, there's no supply for them, because amd has secured most of it
coarse pond
I know. I meant if they had the foresight like last year or something of going with tsmc
full flint
nvidia would have loved to go tsmc for everything, despite what they say, they've never done a gpu that WASNT on tsmc, outside of some low end cards like the 1050Ti being made by samsung
wouldn't have mattered, amd have been buying as much 7nm as tsmc has to sell since before 7nm came out, and they're already buying all the 5nm they can get ahead of putting their products on 5nm next year
coarse pond
Basically they were just too late to pick up on it before amd did, since they were already with tsmc they should've picked up on it way ahead of time
full flint
they literally couldn't
coarse pond
I mean I don't think tsmc would've just not supplied them if they both started picking up on them at around the same time? they would've at least got some of it
full flint
amd patents made tsmc's 7nm node possible in the first place, and their 5nm node, and future nodes. without amd, tsmc would have gotten beaten to the punch with 7nm by global foundries and samsung both. amd made tsmc the world's leading fab, and gave them an enormous lead over intel, who previously were the world's most advanced fab. amd has all the leverage in that relationship, and the cash flow to justify buying all of the wafers they can get
nvidia can bid for wafers, and they'll of course get some wafers, but tsmc is not going to give nvidia priority over their single largest customer, and the company that gave them their status as the best fab on earth
coarse pond
Welp that's just an unfortunate case for nvidia. I didn't know, I was just looking at 20 series launch and it was 10 times better compared to this.
full flint
nvidia's total output is miniscule in terms of volume compared to the entirety of amd, they're not even a drop in the bucket in terms of the amount of silicon the likes of amd, qualcomm, and apple move every year (qualcomm is on samsung nodes going forward it seems, so that's even more supply amd likely bought up recently)
nvidia's a huge company, and worth a lot more than amd, but they make most of their cash on low volume, ungodly high margin parts like the 100k+ DGX boxes for datacenters
meanwhile amd is supplying the SOC for both consoles, and making hundreds of millions of zen chiplets a year for use across their entire cpu lineup, from $50 cpus through to $7000 datacenter cpus, they all share one chip design (their cpus i mean)
its not even close in terms of numbers of chips moved 😄
could they have worked out some kind of deal to get supply with tsmc? yes probably, but it would have been inadequate for the volume they tend to ship with geforce, so they're in a bad spot regardless
Nvidia's 20 series launch was a lot smoother because they launched them on a relatively ancient node, and just shipped ungodly huge chips
massively increased pricing made that the best play at the time, financially, and supply wasnt an issue because they are the ONLY customer for tsmc's 12nm node
azure flicker
Got myself a big boy mouse pad
full flint
thats a big mouse pad 😄
ruby spear
I have one like that which goes across the entire length of my desk.
full flint
i use a QCK+ myself, its like 10 years old now, still as good as new
ruby spear
They always stink when you first open them. They smell like they've come from a smokers home for some reason, but it goes away after a couple of days.
coarse pond
I bought an arozzi desk that came with a giant mousepad. It's not bad.
azure flicker
Okay now that's huge
Kinda want one now
Do they stick to the desk because I'd like that so the tempered glass top doesn't get scratches from now on
full flint
i have no idea, https://steelseries.com/gaming-mousepads/qck-series?size=l here's the site
surreal moss
It’s about time
Been rocking multiple glorious 3xl for years because they’re one of the few who made one for the whole desk
full flint
you getting a 5XL? 😄
full flint
oh, that works out well then 😄
azure flicker
i need to measure my desk
surreal moss
@azure flicker you got an iPhone?
worldly ravine
Use the measure app on the iPhone
azure flicker
No why?
full flint
iphones have a built in measurement tool
smoky flame
I'd like to see a mousemat that can somehow cover my whole desk. Awkward thing is its a corner desk so it won't be perfect. Even my PC and monitor on it look pretty small with plenty space for another monitor or two. Never been in this position until I got this desk back in June I think it was. Should have seen how I had it set up before. Was embarrassed to take any pictures of it, or even call myself a PC gamer
smoky flame
thing is my desk isn't shaped like that either. I can't remember the name of it but it was discontinued by Ikea before I got it. Predecessor to the Bekant I think
found an image of it and the name of it too! Ikea Galant
hold on, that's not quite how mine looks. That one doesn't appear to have a third leg where mine does
this is more like it, if not identical https://webimg.secondhandapp.com/w-i-mgl/5ac9ec67a3913c5894bcc512
looks really small in the picture and that caught me out but it is huge. That or this being my first desk just has it seem huge
floral quail
I have an issue with my new monitor
I pluggeed it into my laptop, power is on, windows detects it, but the monitor wont display anything
but on startup it works
full flint
GPU drivers
floral quail
I fixed it
the monitor input was set to DP but my laptop doesnt have DP so I was using HDMI
full flint
lol, so that's a thing
5600X faster than not only the 10600k which has the same core and threadcount, but faster than the 8 core 10700k in single and multithreaded both, and slightly slower than a 3700X for multithreaded, while stomping a mudhole into EVERYTHING single threaded, yep, that's about right
and yup, its real. there are 5600X cpus in the wild already, some stores shipped early
jolly timber
No
@surreal moss you are ben 10
surreal moss
He gets yelled at in general so he goes here
full flint
full flint
full flint
nice, that reccomended list is clearly for 1080p60 or 1440p60 though
and not on max settings, as max settings include raytracing
full flint
It looks like reskinned warframe but gearbox
autumn sluice
Gonna have to wait on peer reported sys specs b4 I even consider it
Gah I'm so mad I got a 2600 instead of a 3600
autumn sluice
Uuuugh I wanna upgrade but I still can't find a job cause covid is worse than April where I am
full flint
lol, the devs explictly say that 4k ultra REQUIRES 12gb+ of vram, meaning 3070, 3080 are out of luck
so is 2080Ti
waxen axle
coarse pond
Yeah I think i'm just gonna pick up a 6800xt and ryzen 7 5800x
ain't gonna wait for a card that isn't gonna be back in stock for months
i wanna see the aib cards tho
full flint
oh god this new splash screen is so nice
whoever's idea this was....BLESS
Snack, gamersnexus said AIB cards are 1 - 3 weeks from reference card release, depending on which AIB and which model is being discussed
we know asus has a model that has a 2.57ghz boost clock, with sustained in-game clocks above 2.3ghz 85%+ of the time, which is likely the strix liquid cooled card. i'd expect an air cooled strix to be 100mhz or so slower than that, give or take
so its like a 3700X for multithreaded stuff, and beyond everything except the higher end zen3 skus for lightly threaded and single threaded, looks like amd weren't making it up
full flint
lol this is dumb, a 4.7ghz 5600X beats 6ghz+ 8700k's, you can do 4.7 all-core 5600X on air (this guy did), you.... can't do 6ghz 8700k without LN2
https://youtu.be/BH0ATuUwNRo buildzoid has a video 😄
jolly pond
can you guys recommend me a gpu for a bit less than 500
quiet swallow
Rx 5700xt
quartz hinge
is 85 degrees normal for a laptop gpu?
tepid fable
abit hot but its not like it hurts it, usuallymine stays in the 70-80 degree range, its dangerous around 100
my brother ran a92 degree one for around 7 years
if its doing something id say thats pretty normal temp
tender bloom
85 degrees is like the max before it throttles
should be safe, if you can get it cooler, thatd be great
devout remnant
Yeah I think i'm just gonna pick up a 6800xt and ryzen 7 5800x
@coarse pond I can’t wait to pick up a 6800XT and then a 6900XT. I just hope there’s stock.
full flint
hey Penguin, hows the cooler holding up? any complaints after having it about a week?
spring walrus
this is more like it, if not identical https://webimg.secondhandapp.com/w-i-mgl/5ac9ec67a3913c5894bcc512
@smoky flame how is there an apple thing there
smoky flame
no idea, was just showing off what my desk looks like. Was the closest image I found online
full flint
Ubisoft+ anyone
smoky flame
what about it?
full flint
Watch dogs legion ac valhalla day one I think
smoky flame
yup, I've been playing Watch Dogs Legion since it launched (have Ubisoft+)
Had they kept the 3 days early access that was included as part of the ultimate edition that would have been a little sweeter
full flint
And a lot more broken
smoky flame
still, the early access is nice. Broken game or not. I'd think a game is in a pretty good state if devs decide to give 3 days, or even 7 days early access when paying for a higher tier edition of the game. Otherwise why would they include it or even release the game if it wasn't ready?
tidal meteor
on pc how would you use a wired headset? ive seen headphone jack ports on laptops but not pc..
thorny cypress
desktop PCs should have headphone jacks too
I'm not aware of desktop PCs that don't actually
full flint
Celes, i think he meant 3.5mm combo jacks, rather than the traditional 2 jacks
@tidal meteor you can get a $3 adaptor to plug your single wire headset into your pc's mic and headphone jacks
https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Headphone-Splitter-Computer-Smartphone/dp/B073ZDDTH2 or $8 for a fantastic quality one
thorny cypress
Ohh, that would make sense 🙂
full flint
yup, a lot of headsets are single wire these days
analog sapphire
@heavy vault this is a good place for the questions you were asking me earlier :)
full flint
Yeah those are quite cheap those splitters
You can also get ones which have a mic too, lets you use any headphone and is way cheaper than the modmic
I'd say its fine for gaming maybe not for streaming and whatnot
smoky flame
OMG. Warframe is finally getting support for DirectX 12! https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1233916-directx-12-beta-support-coming-soon/ Shame it will probably end up a crash happy mess
full flint
Swish!
smoky flame
I never tried the older APIs so wouldn't know but since I got into PC gaming the only APIs I have really been aware of were OpenGL, Vulkan, DirectX11 and DirectX 12. Any I didn't name I likely haven't played a game that uses these other API or where possible through selection I go for the newer and (most would assume) better option
surreal moss
tender bloom
nice
what resolution, size, hz
surreal moss
1080p360
tender bloom
nice
do you play comp csgo or something lol
full flint
so when are we doing swat doubles XLR8?
surreal moss
No doubles is doo doo
My favorite is when they think I’m on controller
Controller is not op ur just bad
full flint
input-indicators can't come soon enough
proud monolith
the xbox app is trash companion was much better
analog sapphire
what has that to do with PC gaming?
surreal moss
He’s talking about the PC apps
proud monolith
the pc app for xbox
analog sapphire
he's also not keeping it to one channel
proud monolith
is flaming garbage
analog sapphire
give reasons why pls
full flint
wat
surreal moss
But regardless sorry you feel that way and aren’t aware of the future the new app has as it will be constantly and steadily improved and most likely surpass the console companion.
proud monolith
whyd u end companion
surreal moss
Why didn’t you read what I just said
proud monolith
the xbox app is harder to navigate
u cant chat while finding games
or on someones profile
surreal moss
Alright well have fun
analog sapphire
lol
ruby spear
Format your messages normally then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
proud monolith
but i d i d
ruby spear
A space between each letter isn't how people normally write, is it?
proud monolith
orly
full flint
the game bar and xbox app are synergistic
proud monolith
im a roblox gamer its normal ok
full flint
you can chat while playing games, set up LFG, upload/view/share Screenshots and captures, among other things
proud monolith
why is there a PS in the thumbnail thing
analog sapphire
analog sapphire
no
proud monolith
bruh
analog sapphire
proud monolith
is there xbox vr
analog sapphire
no
proud monolith
thats not the crap 360
analog sapphire
proud monolith
o
smoky flame
@full flint any idea what Nvidia GPU you have on this rather odd performing system? Doesn't sound burnt out to me
spring walrus
@full flint What laptop do you have?
full flint
Hold on.
spring walrus
smoky flame
wait, so it is a desktop?
full flint
No it's a laptop.
smoky flame
oh
tender bloom
some companies let you pick out everything you want in your laptop
full flint
NVIDA Geforce GTX 860m
spring walrus
oh
full flint
He brought it custom.
tender bloom
yeah
cyberpower, clevo, brands that use a tongfang chassis
spring walrus
works fine, can play most games
spring walrus
wdym?
smoky flame
ouch, that GPU is pretty weak. Should still be stronger than the Intel integrated graphics though
full flint
I keeps turning itself off.
tender bloom
ive tried to play games on a 2015 macbook pro, and it didnt go too well @spring walrus
full flint
Like it can be playing a game, then gives up and turns itself off.
tender bloom
weird, i couldnt run anything on a macbook
except like starbound, which is a pixel game
spring walrus
No? that only happens if your CPUs get too hot. It never happened for me.
full flint
It was doing very consistently.
smoky flame
just sounds to me it is a pretty old system and maybe it is ready to give up
spring walrus
oh. maybe the one you were playing on had some faults
full flint
How is my 13 year old laptop still kicking?
spring walrus
just sounds to me it is a pretty old system and maybe it is ready to give up
@smoky flame Nah, it has good specs and works fine. Only thing I might have to change is the storage
full flint
I have to disable it or it will crash TF2.
spring walrus
i might switch to 1 TB
smoky flame
technology can be funny that way. Some old stuff can outlast newer hardware
full flint
And any game I try to play for more than an hour.
full flint
But the Intel HD 4600 needs to be on or the PC doesn't even register the NVIDA
smoky flame
personally I could never game on a laptop. They do have their uses though. Just not for gaming - Cloud gaming is an exception though since it doesn't rely on the performance of the system but rather a cloud gaming system
smoky flame
have you updated the Nvidia drivers?
full flint
Any reason why it's not reading the card at all when the intel 4600 hd is disabled?
smoky flame
I don't even know what architecture this 860m is on but I'd like to think you still have the option to update the drivers of it. May be you are using a really old driver if you haven't kept on top of it. Latest Nvidia driver is 457.09
spring walrus
ouch, that GPU is pretty weak. Should still be stronger than the Intel integrated graphics though
@smoky flame really? works smooth
hmm could be true
but again don't need ultra high specs
full flint
Trying to update it now.
smoky flame
before you update it check what version it is on by going into the Nvidia control panel
full flint
That's not even showing up.
smoky flame
sounds like you might not even have Nvidia drivers installed then
full flint
I'd laugh if it was something stupid.
smoky flame
try downloading the latest Nvidia driver and see how it goes
just checked and the 860m supports 457.09
full flint
Like the Intel 4600 was coding over the the NVIDA
smoky flame
I've heard laptops will do that. Sounds a lot of trouble if you ask me
Nvidia control panel should have an option to prioritize the GPU over CPU
floral quail
Like it can be playing a game, then gives up and turns itself off.
@full flint that happens to me too
but mine has a GTX 1650 and a i7-9750H
full flint
ignore the wallpaper
smoky flame
at this point idk. I lack any experience with gaming laptops. All I have heard from various places is they can be a real pain to get working right and by the sounds of it they are a lot more hassle than worth
full flint
That's no worries man.
floral quail
that happens to me too
im my case, the ants ate some foam that had to do something wiht cooling
smoky flame
fingers crossed you manage to solve it
floral quail
im my case, the ants ate some foam that had to do something wiht cooling
is that weird or not ?
full flint
oops
Operating System: Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
DirectX version: 12.0
GPU processor: GeForce GTX 860M
Driver version: 457.09
Driver Type: Standard
Direct3D API version: 12
Direct3D feature level: 11_0
CUDA Cores: 640
Memory interface: 128-bit
Total available graphics memory: 10199 MB
Dedicated video memory: 2048 MB GDDR5
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 8151 MB
Video BIOS version: 82.07.27.00.06
system video memory seems to be a red flag
floral quail
yes
tender bloom
whats the difference between GDDR6 and GDDR5
floral quail
5 is slow and 6 is fast (idk alot so you should wait for others to answer too)
full flint
This is all I got.
floral quail
sameee
full flint
i do be doing a hecking confuse.
floral quail
but now I got new monitor so I have more options
smoky flame
check under physx configuration and see what options there are. I think the option to select the GPU is there though I may be wrong
if not it may be under manage 3D settings
full flint
smoky flame
ok, that definitely confirms the system is prioritizing Intel graphics and not the GPU
full flint
how do I change that?
smoky flame
can physx be set to auto?
full flint
It doesn't do anything
smoky flame
That's what I'm trying to figure out. Honestly have no idea but I'm sure there is an option somewhere within the control panel that would allow the GPU to be prioritized. Try under manage 3D settings
full flint
full flint
smoky flame
is that what the message from the Nvidia control panel sends you to? thought it would have looked more like this
smoky flame
hmm try adding a game and see what it shows
smoky flame
should look like this when selecting a game
full flint
smoky flame
is high performance set to the GPU?
full flint
Yep.
smoky flame
nice. Guessing it looked much like this when deciding? only differences being power saving probably showed the CPU and high performance your GPU right?
smoky flame
fingers crossed 🙂
also, it probably won't change anything but I think it is best you change physx to auto. System should be able to detect from there if games use CPU or GPU based PhysX and decide what is best to use
full flint
Still nothing.
slate jackal
have you downloaded the Geforce experience to update your drivers? (it's a dumb question)
smoky flame
could try that yeah
full flint
Ok it's back
smoky flame
nice, now try and set it to auto
full flint
Done, now load TF2 again?
smoky flame
did you make a high performance TF2 profile on windows graphics settings? make sure you do that before starting it up
full flint
I have.
smoky flame
ok, give it a go 🙂
full flint
Oh HECK IT WORKED.
floral quail
YAY
smoky flame
floral quail
Congrats 🥳
smoky flame
my lack of laptop knowledge is over! lol
full flint
It didn't just crash the entire PC!
smoky flame
wait, it crashed? 😦
smoky flame
oh, phew 😅
full flint
And it broke again :(
floral quail
oof
smoky flame
oh no 😦
floral quail
contact customer support an get it fixed ?
full flint
It's an old custom PC.
smoky flame
thing I don't get is how physX decided to hide when you had 3d settings to let application decide. You could try that again but something tells me you will want it kept at what it is set to currently. Otherwise yeah, I think I have really run out of ideas. There is only one thing I have left to suggest
full flint
Is there a way where I can tell the PC to only use the Nvida?
smoky flame
that should have been the way
full flint
And it broke again.
smoky flame
this other idea I have is checking for CPU drivers and uninstalling them. Could be a conflict between CPU and GPU drivers. Only other thing I can think of
floral quail
im prretty sure you are doomed now if sub's Idea doesn't work
full flint
This is frustrating
Wait.
I changed some settings and I got TF2 to load.
Here's hoping.
Nah its broke..
full flint
full flint
https://twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1323784436970827783 looks like AIB 6800 non XT cards have about 10% more clockspeed vs reference, we're not sure which card this is specifically yet
Twitter
6800 at that clockspeed should be 25% faster than a 2080Ti/3070, rather than ~16 - 17%
smoky flame
and this is before factoring in RAGE mode?
full flint
rage mode is just an increase to the power limit, like raising the power limit in afterburner on nvidia cards
the aib card appears to be using about 27w more than reference, to deliver what should be about 7 - 8% more performance on average. we don't know which model this is yet
smoky flame
oh btw, a store near me has Corsair's A500 air cooler on sale (early bird black friday deal) is it any good? £29.99
full flint
no, its awful
smoky flame
ahh I see. Just thought I'd check it out since it was quite a reduction in price (was £85 I think) and comes with two Corsair ML fans
full flint
gamersnexus called it impressively bad when they reviewed it in march
autumn sluice
Ok so I'm gonna have some money (ty gov) what's a good upgrade from an r5 2600 and 1650 super?
indigo lance
hi
full flint
ADHD, a ryzen 5 5600X (if you have a b450 board you wont even need a new board, just a bios update whenever its available for whatever board you have). and, depending on gpu budget, the reccomendation for that could go a bunch of different ways. if you're in the $500 - 600 pricerange, its looking like the radeon RX6800 that launches on the 18th is your best choice. if you want to spend less, your options change a bit
full flint
still doesn't have RX6000 series gpus or a 5700XT listed, but that's a slightly less weird list than the first time the posted those
also i thought it was 250GB? what changed?
slate jackal
@full flint
full flint
yeah, they announced it was 250GB the first time, that's weird 😂
slate jackal
they just wanted to make sure you had enough space 
thin copper
sa
azure flicker
in the next cod update will be at the very least 1tb
coarse pond
anyone know what time the cpus are suppose to be released?
devout remnant
@coarse pond I believe 1-2pm UK time.
floral quail
I went to my PC store and they said to the NZXT H710i that I chose "dont just choose whatever comes up first in amazon, first do research" and what they recommended me was antech nx800 (like idek what antech is)
I have never in my whole life heard of antech, is it supposed to be a popular brand or something?
full flint
antec has been around for a long time, they havent made a good case in 20 years
floral quail
ok, thats why I have never heard of em
full flint
topkek, even slightly gpu bound with an RTX3070, the entire zen3 range just kicks the CRAP out of the 10900k
it does this in.... most games in this review, intels only winning in RDR2 here, other reviews launch at embargo time, should be 5 hours
wow
wow, yeah, this is funny
full flint
tepid fable
I’ll wait till my cpu is a bit older
smoky flame
I'll be having to wait a little longer to get my hands on a 5600X. Might be next month so hopefully stock isn't as bad as Nvidia's Ampere GPUs have been. I may be able to get my upgrade started before the year is out and if all goes right, I may even be able to finish it too
tepid fable
I’m using a 3700x currently so it doesn’t seem like a huge enough jump for me to upgrade
smoky flame
nah, in your case I'd wait tbh but you do have the easier upgrade I think. I'll be ripping pretty much my whole PC apart. Depending on what motherboard you have it may just be a matter of updating the bios so it supports a Ryzen 5000 CPU, take out the 3700X and install one of the new CPUs
btw, I don't know if it means anything but I got a notification from the store where I bought my 3080 from and they upgraded shipping from 3 working days to next day delivery free of charge. iirc next day was double the price of the 3 days
smoky flame
the order itself still hasn't processed though 😦
floral quail
I will probably upgrade in 7-8yrs
full flint
ryzen 5000 cpus go on sale in 6 minutes
reviews should drop then as well
https://videocardz.com/95980/amd-ryzen-5000-vermeer-zen3-review-roundup links to every relevant review will be posted here as they go live
yup both dropped
lmao
its roughly matching 10900k in some games, slightly slower in some, and obliterating it massively in some
holy crap
rofl
coarse pond
Newegg shows in stock but when ordering says out of stock lul
full flint
yeah, its going fast
coarse pond
Now it shows as out of stock, been trying for 9 minutes
full flint
they'll be restocking quickly, this happened with zen2 as well, there was stock every week, and it lasted longer and longer each shipment, until it was finally just straight up available
holy crap this ones hilarious 😂
😂
https://youtu.be/72AHENDeTEI gamersnexus live
Which cpus we looking at atm
the LTT review above is the entire stack, GN is the 5950x only, the rest of the reviews drop throughout the day
its absolutely one sided, intel might as well not even be in those charts
Someone uploaded this too early btw
https://youtu.be/M-0R1Wd3BiY
that should say plenty right there 😂
oof
its not quite that brutal in the rest of the games LTT tested, but its still rough for intel
overclocked, the 10900k catches up in about half of games, wins slightly in some, but still loses absolutely MASSIVELY in a ton of games
while drawing 4 -5x as much power as the 5600X stock, and you can OC zen3 as well, nobodys really gone into it too deep yet
coarse pond
guess it was pointless for me to get up early 😂 been up for all the launches so far
full flint
single thread clocks over 5.05ghz sustained, stock
plain lily
hi
smoky flame
omg, just contacted the place where I bought my 3080 from asking if I could swap the order rather than cancel it and they said it is possible. Do I dare go for the 5600X, motherboard and ram upgrade now?! Probably still works out cheaper than what the 3080 was going to cost me and I may actually get it all fairly quickly
full flint
go for it, then pick up a 6800XT after new years when stock is less crazy, or something
its quite clear that zen3 is the cpu you want, its less clear on the gpu choice, and stock will massively improve after christmas for both of them
smoky flame
only awkward thing is they might not have the 32GB kit I want so I'll have to check the alternatives they have
full flint
any 2x16 or 4x8 3600 C16, C17, or C18 kit will be fine
at 1440p, we're talking about low low low single digit differences between those latencies, and when gpu bound, no difference at all
smoky flame
motherboard should be in stock, ram too. CPU might be the only issue but should be resolved fairly quickly, unlike the 3080
full flint
do they have the motherboard?
yeah dude, grab all that, do your rebuild, then you can relax and decide on a gpu once all reviews are out and the holiday craziness is done with, that's my advice
smoky flame
if I go 5600X I'll likely be going for the 6800 XT. 3080 stock is hardly going to change
full flint
fair
still, stock will be easier on gpus after christmas, and cpu stock aint nearly as bad even now, except for the 5950X which was gone instantly due to low low low stock due to the extreme bins required for one, which is expected
5600X being the worst bins means stock will rapidly accumulate
yeah intel just lost a benchmark that they themselves created explicitly to crater performance on amd cpus (intel makes the benchmarks in the total war games, and sponsors them)
its done, wrap it up
smoky flame
damn, this is all the store has in 32GB 3600MHz kits and not all are 16GB x2 kits https://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Memory---PC/subcat/DDR4-3600MHz?247=32GB
full flint
get that 109 pound 3600C18 kit
you wont notice the difference between C18 and C16 at 1440p, and that's a drastic price gap
the patriot viper 4
smoky flame
any idea how they are or is ram jsut one of those things that should work and do what it has to?
full flint
it'll just work, unless you're trying to overclock it or tweak the subtimings for max performance, then specifics begin to matter in terms of what chips are being used
or if they're ultra high speed modules like the new DDR4 5000 kits, but those are all uber quality bins anyways
that kit will run at its XMP timings on zen3, no worries, and at 40 pound cheaper than the OTHER 3600 C18 kits, and 100 pound cheaper than C16 kits, get it, no question
now if you want rgb lighting and all that, you can get one of the rgb kits there, but thats up to you
smoky flame
something I noticed I get money back on the motherboard. Pretty rare taht in the UK I think. Almost sounds like one of those US rebate things
full flint
yeah
smoky flame
things are falling into place too well, what is going on?! 😮
full flint
268 for mobo + ram, cpu is what? 299 pound?
smoky flame
279.99
full flint
548 pound for the rebuild
you can use the cooler that comes with it for now, only upgrade it if its too loud for you
smoky flame
and the 3080 cost me another £200 yet! 😄
full flint
so 548 pound leaves you what? 200 pounds left towards your gpu when stock normalizes?
yeah dude, call them asap and get on that list for the 5600X
and grab that ram while its still ridiculously cheap
as for the mobo, if you have a flash drive you can do the bios update, i assume you do or can buy a 2quid flash drive off amazon
smoky flame
wait, waht about the NVMe SSD what was that again?
full flint
still 110 on sale, nice, 30 pound saved there
you have like 90 left, let me find you a psu
smoky flame
I might not need a PSU and tbh if I can save a little I don't mind
full flint
fair
ok, call the shop asap and get it done 🙂
put that 90 quid toward that gpu a couple months from now
damn, yeah, wrap it up for intel in gaming right now, and this is without running hyper tuned 3800C14 on it, which will slant things a further 5 - 8% in amds favor, and without smart access memory and an RX6000 gpu, which is another 5 - 10% shift in amds favor
those seeking ultimate performance period, now go all red, which has not happened in 14 years
amd literally gained 100fps in this title gen on gen.
@smoky flame what did you decide on? 😄
smoky flame
just doing it now, had to run and get some food. May have eaten it too quick lol
full flint
https://youtu.be/hRfumXx-Plo jayztwocents
full flint
https://youtu.be/hwi7zoWq2Y8 bitwit
smoky flame
idk if I'd be terrified of AMD but AMD is definitely the new Intel. At least their CPU stack is constantly improving generation by generation. If AMD never launched Ryzen guaranteed we'd still be sitting at quad core with Intel and £300+ at that
smoky flame
contacted them over Twitter. CS is pretty slow and I didn't make it. 5600X is out of stock now 😦
full flint
will they let you place an order for later?
you should still get that SSD and ram while it'll save you nearly 100 pounds
smoky flame
idk yet, they haven't got back to me since I said I'll go ahead. Their Twitter CS is due to close in like 10 minutes so I think I left it too late. Always tomorrow I guess 🙂
smoky flame
yeah but that would be packed with other people calling about the CPUs and whatever else plus I find it more helpful I can deal with them over Twitter rather than over the phone so that is pretty cool. Maybe I have a use for a Twitter account yet besides what I used to get up to (ripping into console fanboys)
full flint
😂
yeah if you can get on a backorder list for the cpu, you'll get it a lot sooner than you will a 3080
single CCD cpu? they can ship hundreds of thousands a week worldwide, and its the worst bin at that, so plenty of resupply for it
5950X will be the tightest supply for a few months
i'd say before january 1st, the 5600X supply will be fully normalized, with the rest getting under control in january
we saw this with zen2, where the 3600/X supply was pretty good after less than a month, and the 3900X and eventually (it launched later) 3950X supply took a bit longer
smoky flame
as long as the 5600X remains solid for a good few years I'll be happy. Only thing I will need to worry about will be making sure I can still get a GPU upgrade if not this year, asap in 2021. Really want to get that full AMD setup going fast
full flint
6800XT supply will be non existent until after the holidays, sheer demand guarantees it
5600X will remain good for the entire coming console generation
XSS has 7 3.5ghz zen2 cores available to it for games
smoky flame
depending on how things play out I may be able to get one ordered and bought when it launches
full flint
5600X is about 50% stronger than that
so you'd be good for the generation with the 5600X
ps5 also has 7 3.5ghz zen2 cores available, and XSX are slightly higher clocked
5600X still remains plenty
smoky flame
is it true the 6800 XT will also require 750W or is this AMD, similar to Nvidia covering their butts?
full flint
its a 300W gpu and they don't know what cpu and other components you have
you'll be fine with a 65w cpu like the 5600X
even burst spikes wont hit 750w with that setup, and that assumes you're running a torture loop on the cpu while running the gpu under load, because no game will get it anywhere near 65w while also pushing the gpu to its max
surreal moss
I this day and age just buy an 850w.
Then you just buy the parts you want and never have to worry, + the thing works for 10 years
smoky flame
I could do that but tbh I still don't feel it is a required purchase. At least not yet anyway. If I was hellbent on waiting on that 3080 and somehow still managed to upgrade to a 5600X I would have considered getting a new PSU but I think I will be fine for now. Max power usage on my system 5600X and 6800 XT factored in will probably top out at 465W - 65W on CPU, 300W on GPU and 100W or so on whatever else. I'm not worrying now nearly as much as I was
full flint
yeah, if you're buying a new psu right now (i still think you should) the extra 15 quid for an 850 over the 650 of a given series is worth it
you've had that one since 2014 correct?
smoky flame
2016
full flint
oh, you'll be fine for another couple years
smoky flame
Corsair RM650i
full flint
you're good, keep it for now
get an 850w when you do buy a new one
you do have enough cables hanging off the end of that for 2 8pin pci-e correct?
smoky flame
yeah, that will be my next step for sure or I may just go overkill and go 1000W instead. Then that way I'm ready for whatever the future may hold. 500W GPUs? 300W CPUs? Bring it on!
full flint
300w for a mainstream cpu isn't coolable, see non delidded 8700k or 9900k overclocks, from before intel literally sanded down the die by 70% to aid in heat transfer for the 10900k
those are pushing 250 - 275w and already weren't really doable for most consumer grade cooling setups
the only reason 300 - 500w is coolable on threadripper is because you're spreading the heat load across 9 dies and an area the size of a credit card, so heat per unit area is actually the same or less than 150 - 200w on a mainstream cpu
smoky flame
I can sort the cabling out while I upgrade. Got the second 8 pin cable handy and ready to go at any time
full flint
then you're good to go
i really like how the gaming edge looks top down, i might actually grab that for my rebuild (already ordered my 5900X, its on the way)
couldn't justify the extra $250 for the 16c chip
anyone just gaming shouldn't buy it, its a stupid cpu for gamers, and the best cpu for content creators
smoky flame
yeah, I couldn't even justify the pricing on the 5800X tbh. 5600X is honestly plenty for gamers and I agree with what you said earlier on it
full flint
5800X can be argued for, even for gamers, so can the 5900X, but only for those targeting 1080p 240 - 360hz experiences competitively
5600X is the best all around cpu choice for hobbyist creators and gamers
it offers 9900k beating multithreaded performance, and 10900k beating gaming performance, with a bundled cooler, for $300
5600 non X will become the default choice in a few months when they roll that out
there was no point releasing the non X skus for less money while demand was going to outstrip supply at launch regardless, so i dont fault them for waiting
smoky flame
that's the awkward thing I need to keep in mind. AMD will likely launch a 5600 and that will come in even cheaper
full flint
yeah it'll be $50 cheaper, probably 229 pound
but i dont expect it until CES in january, and demand for that will be high for the first several weeks too
smoky flame
only difference will be slightly lower clocks right?
full flint
here's how a 5600X behaves (not with its stock cooler, you need to put it on a high end air cooler or an AIO for it to do this)
i expect the non X to cap out at 4.4, and ride around the 4.1 - 4.2ghz mark under multithread loads
the 5600X will be faster enough to justify its pricetag (its faster than the 3700X 8c part from last gen)
the 5600 won't have that honor, though it will still be excellent
5600X is the only zen3 cpu that just kinda exists at a single clockspeed for a given workload type, the rest lose clockspeed as threadcounts increase, the 3600 was the same way
5900X for example, as threadcount increases clockspeed decreases in a much more meaningful way
anyways, if you think a 30 - 50 quid savings is worth waiting a few months, go for it, but your ram and SSD are each that much cheaper than they normally are right now due to sales, so you might end up not actually saving on the total build at all by doing so
smoky flame
now idk again. As much as I want to upgrade the CPU now I'm still asking myself can I wait just a little longer, perhaps be in a better position and get myself the 5600 that will work out even cheaper yet while still getting about the same sort of performance out of Zen 3
full flint
right, but as i said, the ssd is 40 pound cheaper than it normally is, and the ram is 45 pound cheaper
waiting means losing out on more savings than the cheaper cpu nets you
you could always order those two parts while they're on sale and wait on the cpu of course, but passing on 85 quid in sales to save 30 - 50 on a cpu 2 - 3 months from now doesn't really work
and there's a 20 quid rebate on that motherboard too, that definitely wont exist months down the line
so over 100 pound savings atm, effectively makes your cpu 179 quid anyway
smoky flame
I'll chance my luck and instead change the 3080 to a 6800 XT. Save some money there that can then play into the CPU upgrade. Money saved on the GPU should still be greater than the savings made on the ram and SSD
full flint
maybe
if you can spare the extra to order that ram while it's 109 you should probably do so though
you saw the price on the rest of the kits, 149+
smoky flame
I think I've made up my mind. After all that fuss, I'm going to wait a little longer 😄
full flint
ayyy newegg paul posted his review finally https://youtu.be/NS5uWnF496E 😂 he used to be the public face of all newegg product videos before going off on his own to do paul's hardware
smoky flame
5600 should still be quite the impressive upgrade over a 6700K. All that single core and multicore improvements (that I probably should read too much into) then there's smart access memory
silly question but how does the 5600X compare to the 6700K?
full flint
in what sort of workload?
for gaming? it'll be 15 - 20% in favor of the 5600X, intel quad cores don't really do so well in a lot of modern games right now, especially the 6700k that can't overclock worth a crap relative to all the later skylake revisions
in cinebench R20 (which is a reasonable multithreaded test), it scores 2200 points, 5600X is like, 4800 points or something dumb?
@smoky flame the 3300X in this chart easily beats the 4c/8t i3 10100, which is roughly exactly the same performance as your 6700k
if you want a decent reference of where the 5600X stacks up 😉
i'll leave you to find the 3300X in the chart, and place the 6700k a few fps below it in your mind
and yup, that's amds budget chip beating intel's flagship, in gaming
that about answer your question? 😂
tepid fable
Guess I’ll hold off for now looking at the charts, 720p with an rtx 2080 ti isn’t my style anyway lol, I think my gpu would need the upgrade first (2060super)
full flint
720p with a 2080Ti is neccesary to avoid gpu limits in some of the games tested, at 1080p the 2080Ti caps out at 155fps, so everything above the 7960X on that chart would be truncated and look like a tie
im not sure why they didnt just test with a 3080 or 3090, but whatever
you'll need to upgrade to a gpu that's 3070 tier or better (or probably RX6700XT tier or better for amd) to notice the difference for 1080p gaming overall. for 1440p? you'll need a flagship
some titles are more cpu bound than others, you'd REALLY notice it in microsoft flight sim, even with that 2060S, zen3 is dramatically faster than zen2 in that title (and faster than intel currently)
but with a 3700X you're better off waiting until ryzen 6000 series next year, on the new platform
new gpu next year too if you're happy with the 2060S at the moment
tepid fable
Yeah I’ll likely wait
Unless they say came out with a 144 FPS 1440p card that’s not expensive
Didn’t look at amd stuff
full flint
depends if you consider $400 - 450 expensive
tepid fable
Yeah it’s pretty pricey to me for it yet
full flint
the 3070 is $500 atm, the 6800 non XT is $579, and seems to be 17 - 25% faster (depending on whether you test reference cards or AIB cards, we'll find out a lot more on the 18th when it launches). the 6700XT should be just under 3070 performance, but it should be $400 - 450 if pricing makes any kind of sense as the stack continues
or about what your 2060S cost you
maybe a little more, but for like, 50 - 60% more performance or something depending on the game
tepid fable
Right now I can’t do much with higher FPS with my 60hz display so it’s more then just the gpu too
But works for now
full flint
yeah, save up and do a full system replacement late next year
tepid fable
Not like I go below 60 usually
full flint
new gpu, whichever is the bang for buck king at that point (probably an amd card the way things seem to be shaking out right now), an entry level 1440p 144hz monitor, and the new cpu/mobo/ram
full flint
that's what is expected next year
ryzen 6000 series is already confirmed to be on a new socket, and is slated for a launch next year
DDR5 support seems likely, or they wouldn't bother with a new socket yet
tepid fable
Hard to say without confirmation, it should be soon though
Could buy it piece by piece anyway
Right now I’m running 3200mhz 32gb ram so I’d say it’s still good but no idea how fast ddr5 will be
full flint
DDR5 starts at 4800 speeds, will go up to 6400 and beyond
it will be EXTREMELY expensive early on
tepid fable
Yeah I’d say dd4 still is pricey even today
Launched worse
The board I got is pretty cheap being 130ish so it’s not a big deal to replace it
The ram is a bigger hit though
past tiger
can someone help me
it’s kinda specific so if no one wants to it’s alright
if you could
can you tell me the best parts for gaming pc with what it is
for example
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Master
and the total price of a grand
i don’t know much
full flint
$1000 will get you an entry level gaming PC
especially when factoring in peripheral and case costs
snow blade
does anyone know how to fix "check your account" after opening game bar
can't use it basically
full flint
riri, $1000 is not enough, you're better off with a ps5 or xbox series X than with any pc that costs less than $1500 today, and i'm 100% serious
@snow blade is your account verified?
https://account.live.com/reputationcheck
coarse pond
I really don't want to have to wait till the end of the year for my pc build and it was suppose to be a first for me. still kinda upset about it all lol
full flint
Snack, there are still some stores in the US with 5600Xs in stock, they didn't all go instantly, which is a good sign
which cpu were you tryin to get?
coarse pond
5800x
full flint
yeah, that one is more constrained