certain stores will have the promo I believe so look out for that and if it is anything like how I had to redeem the games I got with my 5700 XT you won't get a code for the game until it releases, redemption of the game is also tied to that product so you can't just give it away either
#pc-gaming
smoky flame
smoky flame
also, if you can I'd wait. That promo is said to be extended to their Zen 3 CPUs once they release from November 5th
floral quail
Im buying a Ryzen 9 3900X so np
full flint
I assume its certain retailers as well as sub mentioned, varies by country
smoky flame
better option as I said may be waiting for the Zen 3 CPUs to launch and buying either the 5600X or 5800X. Both should work out cheaper than the 3900X/XT
and you get the added benefit of a new CPU packed with new features and improvements over last gen
floral quail
okay
smoky flame
you are only gaming right? If so 6 cores (5600X) should be plenty. 8 cores and above seems to be more useful if doing more than just gaming
also, what motherboard you got?
floral quail
B550-F asus and I will do a litttle bit or recording and streaming
I just realised that samsund has the 980 pro ssd which is PCIe gen 4.0 and my ssd is PCIe gen 3.0
F
only if I did a little more reasearch
well, it ain available on amazon so I couldn't have done anything even if I knew
full flint
can always return depending on where and when you bought it
full flint
i have xbox gamepass for 3mnths (pc) anybody want it?
heavy marsh
My PC expert people -- This penguin is looking for an ultra quiet cooler [can be liquid or just air] for a Ryzen 5 3600. Has anyone had good experience with one that, even under load, maintains relatively quiet levels of noise? This stock cooler is PS4 levels loud. (Yes, you can tag me with an answer for this 🙂 )
full flint
@heavy marsh one sec, i got you, what case do you have? i'll need it to check for cooler clearances
and are you in the US or somewhere else?
heavy marsh
Hey Shadow. Yeah so I'm in Florida. I have the Fractal Design Define R5 Mid
full flint
ok let me check clearance, gimme a sec and i'll tag you again
heavy marsh
The fans that came with it are very quiet - this case used to power my old PC. But when adding the new build into it, this stock cooler that came with the Ryzen 5 3600 is super duper loud
Thank you! 😄
full flint
both will easily fit the R5, the dark rock pro is the size of a small child, which is why i asked your case
heavy marsh
got it. Yes, I have plenty of room in the case. I only have a B450 inside and a GTX 1650
full flint
the dark rock pro won't ever run its fans above their minimum speeds with a stock 3600 under it, no matter what you're doing with it
its the very definition of overkill 😂
heavy marsh
Good to know. OK then! I'll look at both of these. I was already eyeballing the H100, and was looking at Noctua, so having this be quiet recommendation will help a lot.
Thank you 🙂
full flint
the dark rock pro 4 is comprable to the noctua D15
full flint
the only difference is, you can actually find it in stock, where the chromax (black) d15 is nowhere to be found, and the regular one is the color of poop, literally
heavy marsh
ive used that and the D9 LI before
lol! yes
the noctua is also brown haha
I can have this Be Quiet tomorrow at 10am. lovely.
full flint
the dark rock pro 4 is pure black, it looks awesome 😄
order a tube of quality paste if you dont have any, always have backup paste
heavy marsh
I have a full studio rebuild/redesign needing done before Saturday for an event I'm working, so I'm in need of moving the PCs and desks... meaning the PC comes out of its ventilated closet and comes out onto the floor... needs to be quiet.
full flint
oooh, what do you do for work?
heavy marsh
hard to define. my side hustle is esports playcalling
full flint
lol, what event are you working?
heavy marsh
i signed to a semi-pro esports org to be their caller for this upcoming 9 week tournament
full flint
that's cool
smoky flame
I don't think a 3600 will really need either coolers. Even something like the Cooler Master EVO 212 will do better and be quieter than the stock cooler and from what I have been told AIO on Ryzen aren't really that effective. Premium air cooling will do just as good as AIO. Maybe on Intel an AIO shows its worth
heavy marsh
Sub, I'm open to your thoughts here. Performance is less of an issue than silence.
full flint
SUB, that's true, but he wants overkill levels of silence
and for that, a big ol chunk of metal is what he needs, so the fans never even spin up
tepid fable
Yeah aios are good for i9s although I have one for amd and it doesn’t get too loud
I have the 3700x
heavy marsh
Going from what I had before, a Noctua NH12 low profile, to this? I couldn't record without heavy gating, which obviously affects sound quality for VO/playcalling - it was a bad thing. had to create a ventilated chamber in my closet so I could keep it cool and away from the recording space
tepid fable
Half the time the fans don’t need to spin very fast
full flint
they live up to their name, if you're curious , even at max fans they barely break 20dba, and on auto fans with a measly 3600? they'll be inaudible
the fans on any other device in your system will be louder than this cooler
heavy marsh
& you linked me to the 4
full flint
yeah, the 4, the current model
full flint
power supply fan will be the loudest fan in your build, most likely, once you make this switch
heavy marsh
lol yes. i have one with the fan that can trigger if needed
full flint
oh, then you're in great shape
heavy marsh
cant remember the model ATM
but i literally bought the Define R5 because it actually has acoustic treatment inside the case
full flint
that 20dba is at 1 meter distance on an open bench btw.... inside a case? yeah nah, forget about it
smoky flame
speaking of those fan stop PSUs. I don't even know when the fan on mine would even start. I've never heard it
heavy marsh
only when rendering heavy video does mine kick on
i think i have an EVGA inside this one
full flint
its pretty big, as i said
full flint
yeah, and now you see why i asked you what case you had, its 165mm tall, your case can clear 180mm coolers, so you're good, most people aren't good
heavy marsh
right
these big coolers always scare me, too. i spent years as a professional systems builder and B2C repair tech manager.... every time it freaked me out. always made sure to properly secure them and double check
smoky flame
tbh I'd get that over any AIO unless on Intel 9 out of 10 times
heavy marsh
sub, cool. im glad youre cosigning the recco, thats what i wanted to come here. i know yall all have experience with many builds
full flint
topkek, this is adorable
heavy marsh
o.0
full flint
yeah, its roughly the size of the entire motherboard its sitting on there, thats an itx build
full flint
😂, better view of it
heavy marsh
there we go
tepid fable
Even consoles don’t worry me as much lol
smoky flame
when I upgrade to the 5600X I may even just get myself a DRP4 too so I can ditch my AIO
full flint
anyways, its your solution, and being able to get it by tomorrow is great, order paste if you dont have any, i mean it
full flint
nvm, it comes with a small tube, half gram i think, you're good, thats enough to redo it if you screw up, i looked it up for you 😄
smoky flame
heard many good things about it, never installed one before though. My only concerns I'd have about it is making sure it fits in the case and RAM clearance. Other than that nothing else to worry about
full flint
ram clearance isn't that much of an issue, it clears gskill trident Z ram, and not a lot of ram is taller than that
heavy marsh
i have ripjaws in there
full flint
you're fine
heavy marsh
cool 
full flint
the fan on that side slides up to clear more ram if needed anyway, due to how its mounted
tepid fable
I just pay people to build my pc because I’m lazy and warranty lol so it’s been awhile since I’ve used paste
Should get spares myself
full flint
flare-X is in this shot, and thats pretty tall ram, and it clears fine
yeah, it has 45mm ram clearance and ripjaws is 42mm tall (trident Z is 44), so you're good
smoky flame
how tall are the Crucial Ballistix kits?
smoky flame
nice
think that has secured a DRP4 for myself too. You just hit two birds with one stone as the saying goes, Shad0w 😄
smoky flame
oh wait, think I just need to check it will fit in my case
full flint
yeah probably a good idea 😂
smoky flame
Corsair 400C
smoky flame
nice, thanks again!
full flint
just about 4 hours left!
smoky flame
5600X with how the cores have been redesigned it might not be so overkill. All 6 cores on the one die rather than two die with 3 cores each
full flint
uh, the 3600 is all one die too
the interior of the die has been redesigned, they're not using less dies
smoky flame
it is? I thought Zen 2 could only go up to 4 cores per CCD while Zen 3 can go up to 8 cores per CCD?
full flint
the big die in the middle is the i/o die, zen3 uses the same one, the small one in the corner is one of the CCDs, in this case, one with 6 active cores
and yes, thats real, x-rays are neat, nukes the chip though
full flint
they got rid of the core complex, which are groupings of 4 cores inside of the CCD, the CCD now only contains one CCX of up to 8 cores
but the CCD was always 8 cores 😄
oh hey, better xray
these are some of the coolest shots, ever
full flint
yes
smoky flame
ahh now I get it
full flint
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130561288@N04/49046159127 here's a really nice look at a zen2 CCD (download the original 200mb image if you want obscene resolution)
you can see the two CCX's there
the cores are on the outside, the center is all cache, the dividing line there is the split between the two CCXs, and it contains the infinity fabric links to the i/o die, among other things
smoky flame
so Zen 3's CCD may be smaller than Zen 2 since there is no CCX dividing line?
full flint
nah, they're exactly the same size
they saved space by not needing an extra ifop link and a bunch of other stuff, but used extra space expanding the core design
open vector
Can anyone recommend me some good gaming PCs/Laptops for under £1000
Kinda new to the gaming PC market so I don't know much.
ruby spear
Depends what you want it for, because under £1,000 is very limiting.
open vector
Just for playing forza.
tepid fable
Laptops can’t really be good gaming wise under a grand although pcs have more flexibility
ruby spear
If it's just gaming, you'd get better performance from a Series X.
open vector
I also use it for work.
smoky flame
I'd wait and see what AMD reveal in around 4 hours
full flint
amd wont be revealing any laptops at this event SUB
smoky flame
Could build something really nice all AMD depending on the GPUs they announce
full flint
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-AN515-44-Display-Windows-Headset/dp/B089BM56BH this isn't a bad laptop for a bit of 1080p gaming and then a bunch of work, for the budget
can get ~80fps on FH4 on ultra with it, if you're curious
let me keep digging
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Legion-Gaming-GeForce-Windows/dp/B08BLJHLC4/ @open vector you lucked out
open vector
Looks nice.
open vector
I'll have that on my mind for christmas.
full flint
There's also the used market y'know
2 hours left @smoky flame 😄
Listing up, will be sold out fast
(US only)
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-8gb-gddr6-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card-dark-platinum-and-black/6429442.p?skuId=6429442
its already gone
they have just as many stock problems with this as the rest of ampere it seems, retailers are price gouging like crazy on non FE models
ah right
doesnt it say coming soon not out of stock though
it says coming soon for the series X too when preorder allocation goes away
best buy lists coming soon for all out of stock items that are getting restocked
Ah right
https://youtu.be/oHpgu-cTjyM link to the amd livestream, goes live in 2 hours
smoky flame
just wondering if I should bother with trying to get myself a PS5 some time? Would be for the exclusives but even that could be short lived as the PS exclusives make their way onto PC. Would be buying the disc version of the PS5 so to avoid any disappointment and to cash in once these exclusives go PC
full flint
yeah once its not hard to chase one down, next year sometime
sony will only put its games on pc when the sequel is about to launch, or gets announced, as marketing for the new game
smoky flame
if they start launching on PC pretty fast I could always sell the collection of games, console and accessories I gather in that time and PC games generally being cheaper I'd be in profit 
full flint
lol, nvidia are already abandoning the 3070 and 3080, pushing out a card ~10% slower than a 3080 as a 3070Ti, and 5% faster than a 3080 as a 3080Ti..... they're absolutely terrified of amd
that's why there aint no cards shipping, they're holding onto stock for new cards and everyone that already ordered is screwed, and early adopters get screwed once again
smoky flame
see, stuff like that has me ready to cancel my 3080 order. AMD gonna serve up Nvidia some pre-Halloween scares 😄
full flint
dont cancel yet, but yeah its painfully obvious to anyone paying attention that every move nvidia's made in the last few months has been driven by fear and panic. nobody would do a launch this ridiculously poor unless they had no choice
smoky flame
let me guess, this 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti will also be on 7nm TSMC rather than 8nm Samsung?
full flint
and nobody would cut the price of the flagship in half gen on gen unless they had no choice either
nah, they're both GA102, with different numbers of active SMs
the yields are so bad that there's plenty of chips that dont quite make 3080 grade they can use for 3070Ti, and some better than 3080 but not quite 3090 they can use for the 3080Ti
they're not cancelling the existing cards, they're putting a card at every ~5% performance difference in the stack to plug any possible gaps, which is the same thing that happened with turing, and is a bit excessive, but its what you have to do when yields are straight doodoo, otherwise you're just throwing that silicon away, and there's going to be a LOT of silicon that wont make the grade for the 3080, so it makes sense from a business perspective, but its still a bad look
smoky flame
I won't be cancelling until I manage to get one of whatever AMD shows ordered. If that order then processes, you can bet that 3080 order will be cancelled from there. I still don't hold much hope that I will actually receive my 3080 this year so AMD pretty much have this in the bag
On the positive side, if AMD launch a card that performs similar to the 3080 then there is no real loss. AMD cards are often cheaper too so what I spent on the 3080 can go into the AMD GPU and any extra I save from there can go towards saving up for the AMD CPU I'll be going for. I've really been thinking this all through. Maybe a little too much but making savings where I can I'm pretty good at
full flint
yeah, and a $90 cpu cooler is wholly unneccesary too for a 65w cpu
97 minutes until the show
i have no popcorn 😦 so i'll be eating chocolate chip cookies 😄
SUB, did you say you needed wifi for your new board?
smoky flame
yeah
unless I can figure a way to get ethernet up to my room that doesn't involve drilling holes in walls and making other mess anyway
full flint
msi just released a new overall best B550 board that checks all the boxes for nearly all users, the b550 unify
wifi, plenty of usb ports, great audio, 4 m.2 slots
smoky flame
any idea of pricing?
full flint
more than you wanna spend, $250-ish
wait, nvm, wrong board, one sec
$279, yeah, not really worth it, its for extreme overclockers that need obscene power delivery and all that kind of crap
pay $160 for the msi carbon instead
dual m.2, AX wifi, tons of usb, great looking board
smoky flame
I think MSI have another board similar price and specs to that but I don't get what the difference is between the two. Seem very similar
full flint
let me look
ah, the gaming edge wifi, another good choice, it loses a single pci-e x1 slot, and has no fancy looking armor on the second m.2 slot, loses a few usb ports and thats about it
smoky flame
yeah, that's the one
full flint
its $149, i'd go with this one and save the cash
you're not really trading much for the savings
smoky flame
nice, thanks
full flint
the optimal sort of drive to put into that second m.2 slot is sometthing like a cheap high capacity QLC based ssd
84 minutes
smoky flame
already know the CPU I'll be going for. Motherboard seems all but selected now too. RAM I know what to get though I do question if I really need 32GB at this time
full flint
16gb is barely enough for some games, and ram is dirt cheap right now, go for the 32gb so you dont have to shell out later, when it might be harder to find
smoky flame
true, 32GB 3600MHz CL16 Crucial Ballistix kit stays then
full flint
your existing case is fine, middle of the road, but fine
you can go with a cheaper cooler than the dark rock pro if you want, its excessive
smoky flame
yeah, that is something I'm considering. DRP4 is excessive and I get that but I'd still choose that over any AIO tbh
full flint
only reason i reccomended it to penguin is he needs absolute silence above all other considerations
and for that, a big gigantic hunk of metal with quiet fans is what you want
smoky flame
what would be more reasonable choices to go for with the 5600X?
full flint
or an arctic 34, one sec for a link
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PnPKHx/arctic-freezer-34-esports-duo-cpu-cooler-acfre00061a freezer 34 is a great midrange cooler choice
freezer 34 is the better cooler of the two, if you're curious
smoky flame
so this is how my CPU upgrade could look https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4kxGcT 3600X has price adjusted to what the 5600X price is though that is in USD so after conversion may be less than £299
Not even the price of my 3080 (that came in at £749!)
smoky flame
SSD I have just now is just a 250GB Crucial MX200 (Sata SSD)
games are stored on a 2TB Western Digital Black HDD
full flint
do yourself a favor and get a new SSD while the SX8200 pro is on sale for 110 pounds
that's 30 pound cheaper than equivalents from other brands atm
its a top tier pci-e 3.0 nvme drive, and plenty to keep pace with the build you've got planned
smoky flame
that is one of those faster NVMe ones right? I have seen some in the m.2 form factor that appear to have speeds no better than Sata SSDs
full flint
yeah there are nvme drives and sata type drives in the m.2 formfactor
this one is 3500MB/s reads and 3000MB/s writes
smoky flame
ooh nice
full flint
its a top tier gen3 drive, and 30 pound cheaper than anyone elses equivalent (its a phision E12 controller and micron TLC nand, same as everyone elses except samsung's 970 evo/pro)
i'd order that one right now, since you know one way or another the new build is a thing
that price wont last
smoky flame
I'd be ditching the old SSD and HDD I have so that 1TB would be real nice
full flint
yeah, grab it up while its cheap, its the perfect pairing for the new pc 😄
smoky flame
it is only in planning just now. Sure hope I don't miss out too much if and when it goes full price 😦
Got to save up still 😄
full flint
nah, it'll go up to 130 - 140 pound whenever it decides to not be cheap anymore, which is what everyone elses 1TB gen3 drives cost at the top end of the stack
just hit me up when you've got cash in hand ready to order and i'll drop in the cheapest SSD of that tier at the time, and dig up the best fit motherboard for the lowest price at the time. prices fluctuate every day
ram too, ram especially, you wont be getting that exact kit most likely by the time you're ready to buy
smoky flame
Sure, and thanks once again!
will also wait to see what I end up with before upgrading my PSU. 650W appears to be fine with a 3080, or so some have said. With only the 1ms spikes proving a potential issue but have been told most good PSUs should be able to handle those spikes without too much issues. The worse off PSUs might not handle it so well though
1 hour to go!!! (just about)
full flint
6800 and 6800XT, yes those are two different cards, look closely lol
smoky flame
see with the ram, will it matter any if I was to opt for a cheaper option with the same speed, capacity etc?
full flint
no, not particularly
unless you want to dig down and manually tune a few dozen subtimings to get the absolute most out of it, it wont really make a difference, and the kit you should go with once you have money in hand will simply be the cheapest that doesnt make you want to vomit looking at it
smoky flame
oh, nah won't be doing any of that
full flint
You seen the gigabyte one right?
the gigabyte one isn't actually a 6800XT in the picture, its an aorus 3080
gigabyte just registered a dozen 6800/XT models with regulatory bodies, but we have no photos of them yet
MSI also did this
Ah right
those are the 6800 and 6800XT models gigabyte is starting off with, they're all the usual suspects
also confirms 16GB of ram, as if there was any doubt at this point
smoky flame
I could imagine most AIB partners using the exact same designs as we see with RTX 30 series cards. Only difference will be some AIB partners that appear to only do AMD cards may have new designs over RX 5000 series cards
full flint
whatever amd show us today will be reference models, and they seem to be 10 - 20% slower than higher end AIB models, at least in terms of clockspeeds, so top tier aib cards like the red devil and the strix OC? they're going to be a cut above, the strix has turbo clocks near 2.6ghz apparently, at god knows what power draw
smoky flame
oh my 😮
full flint
we'll find out soon, only 53 minutes to go!
smoky flame
will be selling my 5700 XT after I get Godfall (November 12th?) so will have some extra money in my pocket and a game or too to boot.
full flint
a strix engineering sample spent 85% of its time above 2.3ghz, and more than 50% of its time above 2.4ghz in practice. final cards may do even better than that
but whatever amd did, they finally cracked the secret to ridiculous gpu clockspeeds on tsmc 7nm. neither gcn nor rdna1 could come anywhere close to that kind of insanity, with AIB 5700XTs sticking in the mid to upper 2000s clockspeed wise, 2100 being the absolute cream of the crop
smoky flame
depending on how fast Forza Horizon 4 takes to download I may play some of that before the AMD event is on. Been a few weeks since I last played it. Watching the latest series of Top Gear got me wanting to play some racing games again 😄
full flint
@smoky flame 30 minutes, you dont have much time 😂
smoky flame
download is done. Made sure to start it earlier. Was pretty quick though it does annoy me that the wifi on my current PC can only manage around a third of the broadband speed I should be getting
hope there is some announcement on their next GPU game bundle during the event
full flint
im betting on far cry 6
20 minutes!
6 minutes @smoky flame
damn, thats.... a lot more architectural upgrades than i was expecting..... heh this event is going to be spicy
boom... 30% frequency increase means 2.6 - 2.7ghz turbo clocks for aib models 😉
lets gooooooo, nvidia just got smacked in the face lol
@smoky flame what did you think? 😂
smoky flame
OMG that 6900XT will be mine. Suck it 3090 buyers! 😛
full flint
6900XT isn't enough of an upgrade to justify the extra $350, go for a 6800XT
aib models will be near stock 6900XT perf anyway, based on the known clockspeeds for them being so much higher
but uh, what did you think of the show? 😂
smoky flame
still, $500 cheaper than a 3090
full flint
Excited to see what the lower offerings will be if this is high end atm
6700XT is 40CU at similar clockspeeds, with 12GB of gddr6 and 64mb of infinity cache
smoky flame
was bloody awesome. I'm very happy with what I saw. Now it is important that 3080 suddenly doesn't decide to process I'll definitely be going for either the 6800 XT or 6900 XT (against your advice Shad0w, sorry)
full flint
performance should be 2080 super tier, price should be pretty great
i'm betting on $399 for 2080 super tier performance, roughly in line with the 3060Ti for the 6700XT
https://youtu.be/0xUioPsLRKA linus put his video out, this will be good
he doesnt actually show benchmarks
Its an overview video of the event
but its fast...
yeah i know
reviews wont be for a couple weeks
tender bloom
I was undervolting in throttlestop to try to get my cpu temps down, and when i set my undervolt, it crashed- (i undervolted by too much). Then, when I restarted my pc and tried to get into throttlestop to fix my voltage profiles, it crashed again. How can i fix my profiles/set it to a stable undervolt?
smoky flame
try going into the bios and reset options to default then save and reboot
fallow heath
tender bloom
i just deleted and reinstalled and im fine now, thanks though
my cpu was getting in the 90s when gaming so i'm just trying to fix that
and i'm trying to overclock with oc scanner for a bit more performance
smoky flame
honestly, I wouldn't bother overclocking
gains are usually so small it is barely worth it
at least when factoring in the additional power consumption that later leads to higher temperatures. Stick to stock or undervolt
smoky flame
ok, looking at the 6800 XT some more and yeah. I'll pick that over the 6900 XT. That 3080 order is almost definitely getting cancelled
saving from the 6900 XT to the 6800 XT - $350. Saving from 3080 (I bought) to 6800 XT - at least £100, might be a little more after converting USD to GBP
full flint
an AIB 6800XT will be 10%+ faster than reference anyway, most likely, giving you ~3090 performance for around $700 - 750ish depending on how high end you go
and the savings can still be dumped into getting some proper storage
Nvidia still greater than AMD
wut?
Nvidia still greater than AMD
they just got curbwrecked
tender bloom
amd is on a roll with zen 3 and the 6000 cards
full flint
nvidia just got utterly curbwrecked by amd's rdna2 lineup, no matter how much that upsets you
Nah fam
tender bloom
next thing you'll say is that intel is better than amd
full flint
intel is better
tender bloom
lmao
full flint
Nvidia + intel = Great
tender bloom
for laptops maybe
full flint
nah for PC
full flint
Laptops are personal computers but they just different
also gaming laptops are a scam
tender bloom
uh huh
unless you need to go anywhere
full flint
intel are even further behind in laptop performance than they are on the desktop T_Roc
amd's mobile flagship is some 80% faster than intel's, while drawing half as much power
tender bloom
i know, but amd cpu laptops dont have good gpus
full flint
bro where are you gonna go that requires you to play games on a laptop?
full flint
bruh...yes lets play minecraft on the floor together
nah but really tho better of buying a console than a gaming laptop
T_Roc, rdna2 based laptops should pop up at CES in january, for availability starting in late Q1 or early Q2. nvidia and intel bribing oems not to put high end gpus in amd powered laptops wont matter anymore, since amd has the faster gpus and the advantage in energy efficiency to boot
full flint
and they get real spicy
tender bloom
temp wise?
full flint
as in heat
full flint
C or F
tender bloom
C
full flint
bruh that is bad
that hot af
toast some bread on that laptop
why are you trolling anyways?
tender bloom
sure man
i like laptops, you dont
i have a laptop, i assume you dont
life goes on
full flint
You literally can slow cook an egg with that temp
Also I do have a laptop
but I use it for school and have a tower for gaming
bruh, please chill with the trolling 😄
I'm not trolling
tender bloom
uh huh
full flint
I legit looked it up...it takes 130 F to slow cook an egg
tender bloom
sure
full flint
look it up rn
you came in here talking about how nvidia's gpus are still faster or whatever despite amd just demonstrating the opposite, and when i was discussing a gpu purchase with someone, that's pretty much trolling
sacred iron
why do I think amd is lying
tender bloom
cause it seems to good to be true
full flint
Nvidia is still great for ray tracing and much more
amd has no reason to lie, they show where they win and where they lose, and provide full test details and system configurations in the footnotes for people to recreate the testing as they see fit
sacred iron
Navida looks better
full flint
agreed
sacred iron
bcs navida works with devaloper
full flint
and their rtx is better
sacred iron
well depends on which rtx and gen
full flint
except amd just demonstrated plenty of raytracing in that conference, and we've seen tons on console too, please stop trolling... its not going to go well for you
full flint
bro console rtx can't compete...30fps cap most likely with very few games doing 60fps....and i'm not trolling!
tender bloom
go cook an egg instead of trolling man
full flint
miles morales is 4k, 60fps with raytracing, so nice try
also amd rtx isn't better than nvidia....also that spidey game is on ps5 so nice try
sacred iron
like rage mode?
tender bloom
could a laptop 2070 super run 1440p 60fps you think @full flint ?
sacred iron
I want to make a purw navida gpu
full flint
the gpus amd just unveiled are 2.5x faster than the ps5, and ps5 can do 4k60 with RT in its best looking launch title, so it doesn't really look good for your argument
Point is Rtx on Pc is better
sacred iron
navida can't die they will not bcs amd market is cpu and gou but navida has more then gpu
navida still has there "Ti"
full flint
Also DLSS 2.0 lets not forget about that bad boi
the 3090 is the largest gpu nvidia can ship based on the ampere design, its slower than the 6900XT, there's no "ti" part nvidia can release in the next 12 - 18 months to stop the 6900XT
why are there WoW emotes on here lmao
excluding the cheif
amd straight up announced a DLSS competitor is on the way, and gave the verge some details about it too, except amds solution is platform agnostic meaning it works on consoles and nvidia gpus too, and fully open source, meaning devs dont need to work with nvidia directly to actually use it, especially to increase the performance of their games on console. the open standard will win, and DLSS will fade into irrelevancy just like G-sync module powered monitors have when freesync won the adaptive sync war due to being an open standard
but it won't beat DLSS 2.0
you keep making these statements, without either evidence, or logic based arguments to back them up, so i have to wonder why you're running your mouth in the first place?
sacred iron
ok @full flint I am going to see it tommarow
full flint
all you gotta do is look at the track record of these companies and clearly you can see that Nvidia is top tier and AMD is just now catching up
and again with an argument that has no basis in reality
either provide logic or evidence to back up your claims or quit with the nonsense
smoky flame
AMD are catching up in crazy ways. People once said AMD couldn't compete with both Intel and Nvidia in two markets. AMD over here like : "hold my beer"
sacred iron
"NO matter how much numbers AMD does it can't make games look better like navida for most of the games "
sacred iron
Navida works with Devalopers and Devalopers accsept Navida
full flint
i'm having a very difficult time translating your words into english
sacred iron
uh, that statement made zero sense
Navida works with devolopers
smoky flame
All AMD really need some some rival to DLSS, which if I'm not mistaken I did hear they are working on something
full flint
yeah, they straight up confirmed its coming soon, we'll probably hear about it on their architecture day, which will be sometime in the next couple weeks, to be followed by tons of articles by the likes of Dr Ian Cutress at anandtech detailing it
coarse pond
I'm still gonna be skeptical with AMD, considering their last gen gpus. Gonna have to wait for benchmarks compared to the 3070 and 3080 which I was previously considering picking up
smoky flame
I'm fairly impressed with AMD. No more mid tier mediocrity that they were known for in the past
if this is the AMD we are going to continue seeing in both the CPU and GPU markets I'm all for it
sacred iron
for fact Navida does more then AMD
full flint
Nvidia G-sync is great too
sacred iron
g sync is for more then free sync
full flint
name 5 currently in production monitors that contain a g-sync module, i'll wait
smoky flame
Nvidia G-sync is just slightly better than Freesync. Both do the same thing in the end really
full flint
nah, nvidia abandoned it, they're supporting freesync now, and call it g-sync
look it up yourself
coarse pond
I've only ever used g-sync compatible. I don't really see a difference from having it on and off though personally
full flint
amd won the variable refresh rate war, the open standard won
full flint
nah amd didn't win anything
full flint
the CRG5 is not a gsync display, its "gsync compatible" which means its freesync, nice try though
there you go shadow now you know what monitor to buy when using nvidia
smoky flame
all this AMD vs Nvidia is silly come on guys. Can't we all agree gamers won? Some seriously amazing performing GPUs from both sides
sacred iron
there 5
full flint
the GN850 is also freesync
sacred iron
ViewSonic Elite XG270QG then
full flint
not powered by a g-sync module, not gsync, sorry
gsync compat is still gysnc
nope, gsync compatible is literally amd freesync, nvidia abandoned its own format and tried to make people like you believe its something they invented, when its just straight up literally amd freesync
no one said they invented it bud..they made it better
coarse pond
I like the viewsonic g-sync monitor tbh. It was the one I was considering before getting an LG one for cheaper
full flint
ultrawide monitors are great
the XG270QG is also freesync, not gsync
you're just proving my point 😂
every single panel you've named is freesync, they have zero nvidia technology in them
coarse pond
The viewsonic elite was saying it had the module in it, unless they are just false advertising it
smoky flame
btw, that Samsung you mentioned has since been succeeded or whatever you want to call it. Samsung have an Odyssey G5 monitor. Little brother to my G7
coarse pond
Yeah even on nvidia's website if you scroll down to the viewsonic
It says it has g-sync, not compatible
full flint
huh, looks like the viewsonic actually has a g-sync module AND also still supports the open freesync standard, making it the only monitor in the world with both, that's extremely odd, but ok, you got one, name 4 more actively in production 1440p or 4k panels with a gsync module
Acer predator x34
coarse pond
all of them are listed on there
coarse pond
all g-sync ultimate, g-sync and g-sync compatible monitors are listed on there.. i'm not going to go through them all
sacred iron
the G5 and G7 are also freesync
@full flint freesync can be added by adding some thing to the moter bard
full flint
no, freesync requires no hardware whatsoever to impliment
sacred iron
exactly
full flint
oh wow, there are actually 5 monitors still in production with a g-sync module in them, the other 2500 adaptive sync displays on the market are all amd freesync
coarse pond
Asus has quite a bit of g-sync and some g-sync ultimates on the market too, some 1440p, some 4k
full flint
freesync monitors support low framerate compensation, and they don't require freesync premium branding, only a native rrefresh rate range where the maximum refresh is 2.5x as high as the minimum, so the typical 48 - 144 and 40 - 144hz ranges on today's 144hz freesync displays mean LFC works on every single one of them, and that works all the way down to 1hz too actually
g-sync no longer actually has any advantage, and hasn't in half a decade, which is why nvidia abandoned it in favor of adopting the open standard
coarse pond
Yeah there are a lot more freesync/adaptive monitors out there but if people want a g-sync they can find one, if that's something they really want. I didn't wanna pay the g-sync tax 😂
smoky flame
any idea how far LFC can go when FPS is below the lower end of Freesync's range? My monitor is 80-240Hz, LFC kicking in from 79Hz and below
full flint
LFC functions all the way down to 1hz
smoky flame
it does? I thought tearing would be reintroduced at a certain point?
full flint
nope
smoky flame
ooh nice!
full flint
each frame will be repeated as many times as it takes to hit the lower bound of the monitor's native refresh rate, there will still be no tearing
smoky flame
I take back my gsync advantage statement then
full flint
its the same way g-sync works on framerates that low, because they can't actually run the panel that slowly, it will start to very badly flicker the lower and lower it went
smoky flame
will be so glad when I get a 6800 XT can finally game without LFC activating so much
80 FPS or above on a 5700 XT is near impossible at the settings I play at and 1440p
slate jackal
LFC the heck is that?
full flint
LFC kicking in isn't neccesarily a problem in any way in the first place SUB
smoky flame
low framerate compensation
slate jackal
ah
smoky flame
I know, but it would be good just to see better framerates and that is something the 6800 XT will do
full flint
this is true, 2 - 2.3x the performance of the 5700XT depending on which AIB 6800XT you end up with, and depending on the game of course
smoky flame
16GB memory on the 6800 XT is sweet too
full flint
reference 6900XT is ~2.25x the 5700XT's performance, if you were curious
i expect upper end AIB 6800XTs to roughly match that performance, plus or minus a percent or two
smoky flame
yeah, I changed my mind really fast on the 6900 XT but still. Must suck to own a 3090 right now. Sure, the 3090's 24GB GDDR6X is crazy but that $500 premium? Ouch!
full flint
you mean the 3090's 24GB of GDDR6X
smoky flame
yeah, my bad lol
full flint
also, the 6900XT is trending ~14% faster than the 6800XT, reference vs reference, so its a slightly better upgrade than the 3090 is over the 3080, and at a much lower premium to boot, so its not THAT bad, but not the optimal choice in terms of perf/$, that'll be the 6800XT at $649
with you also getting a ryzen 5000 series cpu and a 500 series motherboard, you're going to get another ~5 - 6% performance out of the combo on average as well, which is nice
hope you manage to score one 🙂
those 6800XT vs 3080 figures were WITHOUT smart access memory or rage mode enabled, and it still won 8 of the 10 games shown, and lost two (at 1440P)
smoky flame
yeah, I really hope I can. Very tempted to go and cancel the 3080 order just so it doesn't get in the way now. Knowing my luck it will actually process before I can order a 6800 XT. Nvidia will magically start producing more and I want nothing to do with a company holding back stock artificially
full flint
the performance bump from smart access memory will put it ahead in the remaining two in this chart, if you were curious
also that's a general idea of the 1440p performance you can expect, which should be much more appealing to you than your current 1080Ti level gpu, given its more than twice as fast
smoky flame
something I heard, the AMD CPU + GPU combo can access GPU memory. Does that mean when I upgrade to 32GB ram my GPU's 16GB join in too for 48GB effective?
idk the right terms for this stuff lol
full flint
that's what smart access memory is, they haven't gone into too much detail on how it works, but its leading to a ~4 - 8% performance boost on average vs not having it on
it doesn't give you more ram, its not something you can access directly, i dont think
smoky flame
there was something else mentioned though I think
full flint
smoky flame
on another server it was mentioned and sounded roughly like how I put it. Would be insane if true
full flint
there's RTX 3080 vs 6800XT in 7 games, and then in white, rage mode and smart access memory are flipped on, there's what kind of gains it sees
rage mode increases the power target and lets the gpu boost to higher clockspeeds automatically, which will give a percent or two performance increase vs stock (at the expense of efficiency)
the rest of the gains there are from the smart access memory, and it apparently works automatically without developers needing to be aware of it or account for it
full flint
you probably should leave rage mode off, it'll eat an extra 20 - 30w for miniscule gains in the grand scheme of things
it exists so amd can have its cake and eat it too, ship an efficient gpu that's faster than the competiton, while still having an actually optional button to push to ignore efficiency and just go all out for even more performance
smoky flame
going to find out how I can cancel my 3080 order tomorrow. All my excitement I got carried away taking on Discord and store is now shut lol
full flint
AIB models will of course push even further, and eat more power to do it
you can expect 350 - 380w models like those that exist for the 3080, except these seem to be able to clock 500mhz faster, instead of 0mhz faster, because the node actually has headroom, unlike samsung 8nm
smoky flame
I'd enable it tbh and put up with the extra temperatures by enabling a more aggressive fan curve. At least I won't require LN2 to reach 2.5GHz with AMD it seems
full flint
fan curve gets more aggressive automatically when enabling it, to maintain the temperature target despite the extra power draw (and thus thermals)
reference card probably wont do 2.5ghz
you'll want a fancy pants AIB card anyway
smoky flame
yeah, don't worry. I quite like PowerColor. Will probably get another PowerColor Red Devil card
smoky flame
that will be factory OCed most likely throw in RAGE on top of that and BOOM what a GPU!
full flint
yeah, you'll be looking at ~3090 performance out of box with it, give or take a little bit
just for half its price, i'd expect higher end aib 6800XTs to come in $100 over msrp, just like they do with every card
so $750 range
full flint
supply will be rough still, but not AS rough as ampere
supply will suffer because actual demand rather than nvidia being unable to produce more than 11 and a half gpus a week and deciding to ship them via camel instead of air
smoky flame
a pic of my PC from the other day 🙂 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/114211522384756737/770619772663627776/20201027_120649.jpg
that's my headphone's 3m cable pretty visible too 😄
full flint
lol
smoky flame
funniest thing is, if I was to take off my case's feet it might measure in smaller than the PS5. PS5 was measuring in at only 35mm or so off my case in height!
full flint
lol
hahahahaha, every single random snapshot of jay from jayztwocents is pure gold , also his video on it is out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLZUDfT4iPs
sorry, every possible freezeframe you can make of that man is hilarious
dark trail
hello how can i show my xbox screen on my laptop?
full flint
You can stream it via the Xbox Console Companion while on the same network.
dark trail
yes but i have a problem with doing that
it show me an error
and say go to settings like that
full flint
Have you enabled remote streaming on your console?
full flint
Don't ping people over that. If someone can help you, they will WHEN they can.
it took a 10 second google
dark trail
is that work on the last update
full flint
the process on the xbox is identical for mobile or the console companion
dark trail
do you have a video ?
full flint
No. If you need a video you can attempt to search for one yourself. That guide above is very well-detailed.
dark trail
ok thx
inland monolith
Wtf
smoky flame
well, that didn't take long. Had my first crash in Watch Dogs Legion 😄 Think I'll be using DirectX 11 going forward
autumn sluice
I think it's more just a new game than it is dx12
smoky flame
sure hope so but games that support both DirectX 11 and 12 tend to crash quite often when DirectX 12 is enabled. Even had a crash on DirectX 11 so I will put it down to it being a new game that hopefully a future patch sorts
full flint
It's definitely more that it's a new game
makes me wonder if they ever fixed that extremely gamebreaking crash that was occurring on xbox
notice how DX12 only games don't really crash that much other than just other bugs? 🙃
smoky flame
disabled both HDR and BattleEye and it seems to have fixed the crashing on my end. Though performance is definitely poor with DirectX 11 and the settings I'm playing on. That 6800 XT can't come sooner!
quiet swallow
full flint
@smoky flame https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/asus-radeon-rx-6800-rx-6800-xt-rog-tuf-gaming/ 😄
smoky flame
yep, I saw that. PowerColor preparing something too
As expected though, Asus GPU designs remain the same. With the exception of that LC edition
full flint
that LC edition is definitely the one with the 2.6ghz turbo the bios leaked for the other week, 100%
the strix OC is likely 100mhz or so slower than that
smoky flame
as if the Strix premium wasn't already bad enough though...
full flint
oh yeah its gonna be stupid expensive, for sure
best looking card asus has produced to date though
dirt5 has tons of RT in it that we didn't even know about
RT shadows, and RT ambient occlusion, powered by rdna2
smoky flame
nice
surreal moss
A water cooled blower
full flint
Extreme cool
azure flicker
so i moded fallout 4 with some overhaul mods on the nexus but i cant seem to get them to run
idk what to do from here
full flint
the blower is only to cool the VRM, it'll barely spin, all hybrid aio cards are setup like that
MSI gaming X trio 6800 XT 😄
This belongs here imo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/114211522384756737/771422707878199346/ElgyHQPX0AEIbGv.png
thats a horrendous spec sheet, they go out of their way not to list the 5700XT in the competitive section despit eit being faster than two of the 3 gpus listed there, and they probably wont update it with RX6000 series gpus either.
The issue with the 5700XT is drivers
i see no mention of the 3080's crashing issues, the 970's vram issues, or pascal's poor performance in modern titles there, so that aint why they're not listing a 5700XT in the same section as a GTX 1080 or vega 64
5700XT is 35% faster than both of those gpus, nvidia just wants no mention of rdna on any game they're paying the devs for exclusivity on features in
they explicitly avoid listing any rdna based products there, because nvidia has the marketing deal, should be illegal to do that kind of thing
Pascal’s poor performance in modern titles? You just said “they’re old” incorrectly
pascal performs worse relative to everything else you can compare it to, due to nvidia deliberately ignoring optimization efforts for the cards. they did the same thing for maxwell once pascal game out, and for kepler once maxwell came out
You know those are made using the cards they have in QA
coarse pond
The 3070s all sold out within minutes this time as well even despite the AMD announcements 😂
full flint
It has nothing to do with marketing deals
i guarantee you activision has 5700XTs on hand
That’s why Vega and R9 cards are listed
They base that on the most commonly owned cards
more people own a 5700XT than own any vega gpu though
The Vega and R9 are the two most popular lines
No.
No they don’t lol
they do though, vega was amds worst selling gpu line, and its why raja got fired
They use Bnet (and at one point Steam’s) hardware charts
Snack, it sold out in minutes because there were only like 35 cards available. we've got numbers from a large european retailer already, they're only recieving less than 200 cards for launch across all AIBs combined, which is even fewer than the number of 3080s they got for the launch of that
this info came from proshop, who also has numbers for the 3080 and 3090. they ordered thousands of 3070s, they were sent... 185
coarse pond
I know, it's just funny how they delayed it and it still sells out within minutes just like all their other products.
full flint
sorry, 291 if you count incoming and recieved together
so they recieved like 9% of the cards they asked for..... so its just as bad as the 3080 in that regard
nvidia's delay wasn't so they could have stock, it was to try and spoil amd's rdna2 reveal, and it sorta didn't work because rdna2 is even faster than anticipated
coarse pond
Not having stock wasn't even gonna spoil anything even if amd underperformed because people couldn't buy them anyways
full flint
That’s not an accurate representation
NVIDIA can select how many to send to vendors
If they think one can move more product than another
So it’s a yes, but no. But also maybe
coarse pond
Lot of people will just end up going amd anyways if nvidia doesn't have stock. Lot of people can't wait and need an upgrade for next gen titles
full flint
they can move 100% of their product no matter what retailer they send them to in any country of their choosing
so it makes no sense to pick and choose, they just simply dont have any cards to ship, and we have data from the largest chinese retailer that says they only got a thousand 3080s since launch, and are lying and saying they've sold literally hundreds of thousands of gpus, to cover for the fact there's no supply
amd will sell 100% of what it can ship too, and it was always going to, thats just how launches go these days
But if there are larger retailers then they will be prioritized
That’s the point that I’m making
you don't really get much bigger than the biggest retailer in the second largest economy on the planet though, and they only got literally less than a thousand cards
their customer base is a billion people
coarse pond
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if amd sold out in under an hour too. Everyone is just trying to get whatever card they can get ahold of right now despite the brand
full flint
And there’s scalpers to thank somewhat
coarse pond
I was about to say that too dark
full flint
The legitimate upgraders make demand
Scalpers capitalize on that demand
amd will sell out every single unit it can ship, yes, but unlike nvidia, amd's fab partner can actually make hundreds of thousands of cards a month, or more
Considering TSMC, yeah
samsung yield data we got for the 3070 out of a leak says they can make a thousand cards a day, and for the 3080 that'll be less due to it being much larger, let me find it
The 3080 and 3090 share fab as well
smoky flame
what was that colour coded shader feature AMD showed off yesterday?
full flint
that's variable rate shading
Sampler-Feedback Streaming?
Or
Yeah. VRS
those are the only two color-coded shader features that I’ve seen
When showcased
smoky flame
will VRS actually improve performance any or is it more about efficiency with the shaders?
full flint
Yes. It improves performance quite a bit
VRS is required for mesh shaders to function, and both will lead to massive performance increases in certain situations
SFS, MS, and VRS are all major performance gains
In different areas
So they’ll all compound
smoky flame
ooh nice! Will be interesting to see how nice this pairs up with big Navi in games. VRS was on Turing cards right? I seem to remember something very similar to it being showcased, if not identical
full flint
VRS is a direct X feature
It’s Microsoft developed
damn, i cant find it and dont remember where i saw it, but they're getting yields of a thousand good GA104 dies a day at samsung
GA102 yield will be dramatically worse than that, and that already isnt good
tsmc can produce a few hundred thousand gpus a month for amd, and yields are consistently good, so samsung done messed up badly
found it
dang, let me try to find the higher resolution one
oh sorry, input quantity is 945, total pieces that passed validation 172, so i read that wrong, and yields are even worse 😂
smoky flame
GA104 is working with GDDR6 though so yields should be better. See if Nvidia later refresh a GA104 GPU and include GDDR6X and see if those yields fall to GA102 levels then we know it is the memory or that and Samsung just not playing nice together
full flint
18% of GA104 dies being validated pass that validation, at least for presumably RTX 3070s
thats....... really bad yield, historically bad yield
what type of memory the chip supports has nothing to do with the yield figures on that monitor there
full flint
for large, power hungry dies, yep
they're able to produce a thousand GA104s a day on one of their lines, of which only a small number pass initial validation for use in the highest tier skus, they'll run them multiple times to bin them for lower skus like the 3060 or 3060Ti or 3050 etc
smoky flame
Good to know. I'm still trying to hold on to that 3080 order but idk. Contacted the store where I bought it from about cancelling it today and seems pretty straight forward. I think my 3080 is holding on by a thread. Any more bad stuff on it I will be cancelling the order. Think I have given it more than enough chances
full flint
none of this should affect your 3080 order honestly
order a 6800XT of your choosing and go from there
red devil is coming, they teased it yesterday
smoky flame
how not? lack of stock, power hungry, poor yields... I think the list can go on some more yet. Look, I really want this 3080 but damn, all the negativity around its launch has got me literally sitting ready and waiting to push that cancel button. AMD's announcements yesterday edged things even closer than they were before that
Yeah, I noticed the Red Devil or rather PowerColor teasing it earlier. Can't wait
full flint
if you can order a 6800XT and have it ship before your 3080 ships, cancel the 3080
there's no reason to do anything until that happens
smoky flame
that's the plan and tbh judging by the poor stock and worse still, number of GA102 dies that actually pass validation it is very unlikely I will see this 3080 after all. Definitely not this year anyway and I'm only giving it until November 18th + the days it takes to try and secure a PowerColor Red Devil 6800 XT. Conclusion? The odds of that 3080 arriving at my door before the 6800 XT are slim. I feel I have better odds of winning the Euromillions lottery and that says something
full flint
6800XT with smart access memory will be faster than the 3080 on average, but its not such a massive win that you really need to care, so whichever ships first is what you should keep
of course, AIB models clocked 300 - 500mhz higher will shift that statement a bit, but it still wont be extremely massive
smoky flame
I won't be able to make use of that smart access memory straight away right? Not until I upgrade to Zen 3 anyway
full flint
correct
smoky flame
Hopefully that won't take me too long
full flint
its a bios setting in 500 series boards with 5000 series cpus installed
b550 + 5600X will do you just fine for that
smoky flame
ngl, building a new system kind of scares me. Been a while since I done it. Not since I actually built this PC have I taken the motherboard, or anything besides the GPU out of the case
full flint
you'll be fine
smoky flame
GPU first, then I upgrade the CPU and all that comes with it. Should see a nice improvement in performance with the GPU upgrade alone but then the CPU upgrade should take that to another level again. Super excited for it all!
coarse pond
I've never built one. I have my case, ssd and ram still in a box behind me. Just been waiting to get everything else lol
smoky flame
Next year I plan to upgrade my brother's system too. If anything his system is in far greater need of an upgrade than mine. 7500, 8GB ram and a 1070 (Pre build) really want to treat him to something nice. Might even build him the same system as I will be upgrading to and get him into 1440p gaming too
surreal moss
full flint
based on icelake, not tigerlake, as expected
this aint gonna be enough for intel, hopefully their 12th gen launch late next year is a bigger jump
Yeah. If Zen3 ends up actually overtaking the 10 series then intel’s struggling to keep up with AMD’s curve
Even if they (Intel) were/are ahead slightly
AMD’s curve is too sharp
willow cove has 18% more ipc (in specific synthetics, its less in the real world) than *lake, but that's on 10nm, on 14nm they'll be eating penalties in a few areas in terms of latencies and that will negatively impact ipc. and with cores this large, they're going to eat a clockspeed hit. the FPU on icelake is absolutely enormous, and i just don't see them keeping clockspeeds the same as 10th gen in the same power targets here
its nice that they've finally done what amd did 4 generations of products ago and added enough cpu pci-e lanes to directly attach nvme storage to the cpu rather than eating penalties feeding it through the chipset, so that's a good improvement there
smoky flame
I hope Intel eventually do away with that PL1 and PL2 boost thingy they have going on. Surely 10nm will get them back on some kind of track
full flint
i'm gonna go with no on that one, their most recent 10nm mobile designs have a PL2 of like, 60 watts even though they're supposed to be 15w parts
the bigger problem is board vendors completely ignoring intel spec and running the chips at PL2 for unlimited amounts of time. makes the chips look way better in reviews than they actually are, by effectively overclocking them by default and calling it stock.
full flint
intel spec says you can run at PL2 for 56 seconds before you have to power down to PL1 for the remainder of whatever the current workload is
but that's ignored by motherboards, and reviewers, and "stock" reviews are actually overclocked reviews because of it
smoky flame
No wonder Intel CPUs need AIO or custom loop coolers
full flint
the 10900k, for example, is reviewed as a 4.8ghz all-core cpu, when it is 4.8 all-core... for 56 seconds, after which its supposed to clamp power draw to 125w at which point its more like 4.2ghz, unless you're running an avx2 workload and then its more like, 3.9ghz
but boards ignore the pl2 duration limit, and run it at the full 4.8 turbo 100% of the time, which is an overclock
smoky flame
I wouldn't put an air cooler, even the likes of the DRP4 near a 10900K with that permanent PL2 boost state active
also, how is that CPU said to reach up to 5.3GHz if all core stock is 4.8GHz?
full flint
the way amd handles its turbo is different, it has no duration limit, if temperatures, voltage, and vrm temperatures are low enough, it will continue to boost higher and consume more than its rated tdp, up to a pre defined maximum voltage, a specific temperature, vrm conditions, or the max power limit are reached (that power limit is 142w, no ryzen cpu will consume more than this unless you manually OC it)
you can manually overclock some 10900ks to 5.3ghz all-core, and they'll all do 5.3ghz single threaded out of the box
the power draw is utterly bonkers doing a 5.3ghz OC on a 10900k mind you, and most can't even hold a 5ghz all-core overclock, let alone get up to 5.3
smoky flame
yeah, I've seen some readings from the likes of Guru3D
full flint
anyways, intel cpus should stabilize at 125w power draw for any workload that lasts longer than 56 seconds, and their clockspeeds should plummet in terms of sustained clock as a result, that's how they're supposed to be, and that's what stock actually means for them
amd cpus, with high quality motherboards and good cooling, should stabilize at 142w power draw for long term workloads, and whatever clockspeeds the chip can maintain while doing that
if thermals, voltages, or vrm thermals reach a threshold, it will back off, thats how ryzen is designed
Redeem here, all platforms I think (not sure)
code can be used more than once its one of those
WDSL-ELRU-BIUS-9999
https://redeem.ubisoft.com/watchdogslegion/en-GB
El Rubius operator for watch dogs legion. requires a ubisoft account though, not sure what platforms
code worked, thanks kronix 😄
smoky flame
sometimes I still wonder if I have my 6700K setup stock properly
smoky flame
isn't WD Legion one of the first Ubisoft games where through Ubisoft Connect (was Uplay) saves are cross platform? has me wonder if content carries over platforms too
full flint
yes, saves are cross platform
content isn't, you have to buy it on every platform you want to use it on
smoky flame
ahh I see
full flint
i think long term, they plan to do a fully cross platform ubisoft+ deal, like they're doing for luna, stadia, and pc already
if they do ubisoft+ for xbox, then you'd just sub and play your games wherver, that'll be their long term play, and i look forward to it
smoky flame
Ubisoft+ is some deal
full flint
yup
ultimate editions of everything, it costs less than 2 ultimate editions a year, and their output is consistently good enough to warrant a perpetual subscription
imo at least
smoky flame
think I'll go play some more Watch Dogs Legion. Laters 🙂
dark trail
how can i record xbox game from pc?
full flint
It's funny cause the 10850k and the 10900k are nearly identical in performance....Might as well call the 10850 the 10899
also I can't wait for the patch for legion..I expect my performance to jump significantly cause I was getting about 60fps on max settings with raytracing
smoky flame
I doubt it will jump significantly. I play at maxed settings too (minus ray tracing, for now) and has dropped as low as 22 FPS in some areas. I honestly can't wait to get either the 3080 or 6800 XT to pretty much double that. With the 3080 I'd also be enabling RTX and DLSS
highest FPS I eyeballed with Radeon Software's metrics overlay was 56 FPS so if it straight up doubles the FPS I get now I may be looking at in excess of 100 FPS - Before ray tracing comes along and takes that away again 😄
tender bloom
lmaoooo i did the superposition benchmark on my laptop and I was beating some 1080s, 1080tis, 2060 supers, 2070s, and 2080s
heavy marsh
This a big boi @full flint
full flint
lol yeah, i told you
@heavy marsh its comically huge, which is why i told you, aint no way you're installing it while its still in the case
it'll be inaudible though, even under load with that little cpu under it
full flint
its not that bad an installation for a cooler that big honestly
tall breach
does anyone else using the xbox game pass app for pc notice that it seems like it lags up the entire system when it's open? its hard to describe, it's like the app makes all video seem a little sluggish as well as the cursor. games run fine, just the app itself is a little slow
full flint
try repairing and/or resetting the app from Windows settings.
tall breach
repair did not work - so i uninstalled and reinstalled from the link in the console companion app. seems to work now. I had installed the Xbox for PC (beta) app before, this one is just called "Xbox". seems to work much better without the weird mouse lag issue.
it's like the app didn't like that i was running my monitor at 165hz and slowed everything down to 60hz or something just from being open lol
smoky flame
lol
full flint
accurate Dark
Dark, did you make that?
no
its funny though
they're twisting themselves into knots to somehow make rdna2 not count
smoky flame
honestly, as ridiculously priced as the 6900 XT is I'd still buy it (and a 5800X) over a 3090 any day. Might even still have some change from that CPU + GPU compared to the cost of the 3090
full flint
6900XT and a 5800x still costs less than a 3090 on its own, actually
matter of fact, 6800XT, 5600X, B550 motherboard, 32gb of 3600C16 ram..... all of that.... costs less than a 3090 on its own
aib 6800XT will beat stock 6900XT performance, easily, since we know they're achieving several hundred mhz more clockspeeds, which means they'll beat the 3090 too
aib ampere cards aren't actually clocking higher than the reference, they all stop around 1.95 - 2.05ghz sustained turbos
but aib rdna2? well lets put it this way, your aib 5700XT clocks higher sustained while gaming than the max turbo of the reference card, and a good 350mhz higher than the reference game clocks
only reason it doesn't gain any performance is the memory bottleneck, but infinity cache clockspeeds ARE gpu clockspeeds, so uh, yeah, more clockspeed = more bandwidth too, automatically, so thats fun, bandwidth will increase proportionally, meaning no bottleneck should appear
smoky flame
My 5700 XT can reach 2150MHz if I push it. Even had a laugh earlier on another server about having a manual RAGE mode set up lol
full flint
i mean, out of box on whatever the turbo bios is on that card it should reach close to 2100 in-game automatically
which is 350 - 400mhz higher than the reference card does
smoky flame
full flint
if the same holds for rdna2, due to infinity cache bandwidth also scaling with that increase, we should be seeing some significant performance uplifts
smoky flame
I believe the 5700 XT can be further tweaked (beyond even 2150MHz) but it requires something like MPT to achieve and personally I'm too chicken to touch it
full flint
there's no performance gains to be had from even your 2150mhz clockspeeds, its memory bandwidth bottlenecked
rdna2 won't have that problem, which is why the fact that rdna has headroom is potentially meaningful
whereas ampere cards, aib or reference, only have a couple percent of headroom in them, with the fastest aib models only being 4% faster than reference due to having a 450w power limit instead of a 320w one, and boosting a little higher
but yeah, fun times ahead 😄 , figured out when you're gonna be able to do your rebuild?
smoky flame
not sure yet. Will be after I upgrade the GPU though, whatever I end up with
actually really want to get the 6800 XT as I'm all but guaranteed to be going for an AMD CPU
full flint
im fairly sure you wont have a 3080 before the 18th, so order a 6800XT and see if you get lucky
quiet swallow
Yeah I'm on that 6800xt hype train as well. Hoping to see some more third party boards soon
full flint
I'm sticking to the Nvidia hype train they just have much more to offer
we saw the asus and msi models today, powercolor did a tease, reveal probably in a day or two
quiet swallow
Yeah hope so
full flint
they'll have another liquid devil card for sure
quiet swallow
I'm wanting to see what Gigabyte and XFX have to offer
They've been good to me in the past
full flint
the liquid devil was a brilliant looking 5700XT for custom loop builds
i'm guessing they do a similar 6800XT version, because why wouldn't you?
quiet swallow
Yeah probably
heavy marsh
@full flint
full flint
ayyy, how did the install process go for you?
full flint
congrats, that cooler weighs more than your gpu
yeah, they're not THAT bad, once you know how to work with them though
be content in the knowledge that you'll never hear that cooler even while rendering video
heavy marsh
I want corsairs mounting system with these sound levels lol
full flint
yeah good luck
you could have (if stock existed) bought a noctua D15 and gotten the same performance levels with a much nicer mounting system, but the D15 has been hard to come by since covid started
heavy marsh
Yep have used noctua for yearsssss
full flint
the dark rock pro is equivalent, for cheaper, and actually in stock, that last one being the reason for the reccomend
anyway, fire up a heavy load on there and see if you can hear it with the side panel on, my guess is going to be no
full flint
pretty sure the only two parts in your build that are heavier than that cooler are the power supply and the case itself
heavy marsh
Lol probably
full flint
AIO would have been an easier install, and only slightly more noise, but uh, you can setup a fan curve to kill those fans while temps are below like, 70C, and anytime you're not doing any real work, it wont ever spin the fans up
knotty dune
breh
full flint
meanwhile you can't turn the pump off on the AIO, so yeah
heavy marsh
Cool
full flint
i mean, max fans is only 20dba from 3 feet away on an open bench, so its not like you need to care whether they spin or not in practice
be quiet named themselves that for a reason
and their silent wings 3 fans are pretty much as quiet as it gets
knotty dune
what graphics card should I get?
full flint
whichever one lets you follow rule 4
knotty dune
for gaming/streaming
tender bloom
a new one
from the new amd and nvidia launches
and you need to make your name easily taggable
knotty dune
wdym?
full flint
i mean, either a 3070 or a 6800, or a 3080 or 6800XT depending on what your budget is, and which one you can actually buy first, chances are it aint gonna be the nvidia cards, they're having major problems supplying cards atm
knotty dune
have like $200
full flint
oh, then the answer is a 1660 super, have fun 🙂
knotty dune
I
tender bloom
or if ur patient you could wait for 20 series cards prices to drop because of the rdna2 and ampere launches, but thats gonna be a while
so 1660 super
full flint
dont let it scare you, its bolted to the backplate, not the motherboard
upright is fine my guy
tender bloom
what pcs do y'all have
heavy marsh
Scroll up about 2 dozen msgs for mine
full flint
mine is crap, its getting rebuilt next month
its a ryzen 5 3600 with a 980Ti in it and some junk ram i already had laying around
only thing being kept is the board and the storage
heavy marsh
Man I have a 3600 with a 1650
full flint
but your pc isnt for gaming, its for... whatever you use it for
what do you use it for anyway?
heavy marsh
Broadcast and production
full flint
yeah
tender bloom
those specs seem pretty good
full flint
not really, 980Ti is below entry level spec these days
about half as fast as a 5700XT
its about as fast as the gpu in the xbox one x
tender bloom
i'm still learning a lot abt pcs 😅
i only have had an actual one that plays games for like 2 weeks
quiet swallow
Watcha been playing?
tender bloom
fall guys, valorant, apex, fortnite, and jedi fallen order
basically some comp games to appreciate my hardware and a few graphically demanding games
wbu?
full flint
I've been playing watch dogs, squad, among us, and other games
heavy marsh
@full flint any reason i no longer get CPU temps on Speccy?
sacred iron
what happened in the amd event I did not see it?
quiet swallow
@tender bloom mostly titanfall 2 at the moment
I recommend watching it bro. New GPUs
full flint
Hello i have dead by daylight perks for pc. If someone wants them. ( Perks don't include the game ) @ me if you want the perks. Cheers
full flint
Penguin, no, you should get temps, but speccy is awful in general... check the ryzen master software, or hwinfo64
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master or https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ , you want the portable version of hwinfo64 if you want an ungodly amount of details about what your system is doing at any given time. ryzen master will give you detailed cpu info including temps.
heavy marsh
hwinfo was...... a headache. but this ryzen master is easy. we were pushing 65-70c on the stock cooler. down to 45-47 rn
drops to 40 at times
full flint
yeah, how was it noise wise last night?
heavy marsh
pretty quiet. i have a buzz i need to figure out a) where its coming from and b) what i need to tighten
i think its the back fan, but its super faint
i can hear the computer, obviously, but its not annoying
full flint
unplug case fans one by one until you find it
heavy marsh
yep
full flint
then, honestly with a 1650 and a 3600, leave whatever fan that was unplugged because it really doesnt matter
you have a $90 hunk of metal bolted to an entry level cpu
heavy marsh
yeah thats a good point
full flint
and a gpu that pulls 75w, it doesnt matter
heavy marsh
lol i am well aware
these case fans are original to the case, so... circa 2014?
they used to power an i7-4790
full flint
how many of them are there?
heavy marsh
that pc got lifted out into a Fractal Design Meshify
2, just 1 back 1 front
i THINK its the back fan
but with the other 6 hours of setup i have for this weekend, its literally unimportant until mid week
i could either chase a faint problem or actually finish the production deadlines lol
full flint
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JMEDDYY?th=1 if you want to replace both of those old fans, here ya go, same ones that are on the cpu cooler, and you can setup a curve that keeps them at minimum speed, because thats still more airflow than you need
mobo software should let you play with that
heavy marsh
ill bookmark these for next week
yep hadnt even gone into bios since building this to set fan tempspeeds. its all auto
full flint
$25 is kinda upper midrange on price, but $50 is a small price to pay to replace 6 year old OEM junkers with silent fans
heavy marsh
im quite pleased with FD's design. theyre a really innovative company. started by building pc cases for studio work, which is why i bought it. i got to interview them at CES in 2012/3. their fans are great. they just old
tender bloom
hey quick question guys, im not sure if this is the right place to ask but i might as well
i got a pc from best buy and now, like 2 weeks later, its on sale- can get the $500 i spent extra back or no?
full flint
fractal fans today are significantly better than fractal fans in 2014
heavy marsh
bby price match guarantee is 15 days from time of purchase for non elite rewards members
full flint
but yeah, these silent wings fans are named such for a reason, as is the company name 😂
heavy marsh
call them, troc
heavy marsh
source: used to work in bby for samsung
full flint
you dont need to monitor temps anymore penguin, you can put a power virus level torture loop on there like prime95 small FFT and it still won't hit 70C
real work? forget it
heavy marsh
lol i am aware
i felt much better not worrying. on loads we were getting into the upper 70s
i didnt like that
full flint
i mean, upper 70s on a cpu with a 95c tjmax isn't really cause for concern
heavy marsh
using premiere + audition it can become taxing on the system
i know but when temp controls go into the red zone its a yucky color
full flint
fair, i guess
heavy marsh
esp when my noctua was holding happy at 49-55 on load
full flint
intel cpu users live in the red zone though
heavy marsh
lol truth
member when it was AMD FX doing that?
you could heat an entire house in the winter with one FX chip
full flint
yeah, but intel's current cpus draw even more power and produce even more heat than those, like a lot more
i remember when the FX9590 pulling 220w was a giant meme or whatever, but those same folks are silent when their 10900ks pull 270 - 300w under stress out of the box
why did you go from a noctua to the amd stock cooler anyway?
heavy marsh
i didnt. went from i7-4790 to Ry5-3600
full flint
oh, you could have gotten noctua to send you the am4 bracket for free
full flint
😂
heavy marsh
well then I WOULDNT HAVE HAD TO RUSH TO BUILD A NEW COOLER INTO A BOARD BEFORE A BROADCAST THEN
AND WHAT FUN IS THAT
heavy marsh
im gonna cry now
full flint
there ya go 🙂 order one and you'll have a backup cooler
i assume you still have it lol
full flint
need to dig up reciepts for the am4 board and the cooler
heavy marsh
oh boy it wants an invoice from 6 years ago LOL
full flint
well, if you can find it, you can get a free bracket 😄
how did the broadcast go? 😂
In case you've lost the invoice of your Noctua CPU cooler, please write your full name and the current date on a piece of paper, take a photo of the paper next to your CPU cooler and upload it as proof of purchase. Please note that your name has to be clearly readable and that we can't process requests without proper proof of purchase.
full flint
so you're still good, just need photo proof of you owning it
and the cpu or am4 mobo reciept, which should be significantly easier to track down 😂
heavy marsh
yeah i just bought that
full flint
but hey, having access to a second obnoxiously large air cooler for am4 might come in handy if you build another rig for anything
heavy marsh
yeah... threadripper is am4 right?
full flint
nope
heavy marsh
so, long live ry 5 3600 with a 17 pound cooler
full flint
threadripper is a chonker
you can get a second dark rock pro for threadripper specifically though
what are you gonna use threadripper for?
that's way more horsepower than is needed for live broadcasts
i will say though, that the 16 core ryzen 5950X should be about as fast as the 24 core 3960X, but at half the price, and on am4
so unless you explicitly need whacktons of pci-e lanes for something, threadripper is kind of a waste vs just going with the top end am4 chip, or if you need more than 128 gigs of ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HBrL2V @heavy marsh , cpu is a placeholder for the next gen version of it. you can do the entire build sans gpu for the cost of a threadripper and motherboard by themselves. and the 5950X will be as fast as the 24 core threadripper, give or take a little. if you want a seriously powerful production machine and don't need either a metric ton of pci-e devices, or 256gb of ram, then there you go
drop in whatever gpu suits your needs, even another 1650 would do fine if its never going to game
that'll outperform every single cpu intel currently sells, if you're curious, even with the 3950x, the 5950X is another 25% or so faster than that
heavy marsh
thanks for this. saving. we have a plan to run an NDI encoding system along with dynamically generated video overlays and transitions off of some tricaster hardware. it needs a beefy boy to accomplish this. back in the day it was off Xeon processors when they were strictly made for server loads
full flint
and yes, i'm including intel's workstation cpus in that comparison
heavy marsh
so this is good info
full flint
exact parts list will change depending on the day you wanna order, for optimal dollar savings of course, as prices fluctuate
heavy marsh
yep ofc
full flint
but basically when you have 2.5k, hit me up and i'll build you a monster, and that's cheaper than a xeon that's half as fast as this by itself, if you were wondering
but yeah, aint no reason to go threadripper unless you need massive amounts of pci express lanes, and it doesn't sound like you do
how many pci-e cards have to go in a machine for that workload?
heavy marsh
needs 2 NDI encoders that run 3-4 inputs each via SDI connectors
id have to check req on the hardware im getting sent over
this is about 2 months from now so
brain just tells me "go big"
full flint
all the NDI encoders i can find are external devices that work off of hdmi input sources... so you just need display outputs to feed into them
full flint
ah, then threadripper may actually be warranted
depending on how many cards you'll be dealing with, and whether they're pci-e x1 or pci-e x8/x16
heavy marsh
but either way. i am a happy boy for the foreseeable future for these two upcoming projects next week
then in january we'll figure out next steps
full flint
if they're x1 devices, then you dont need threadripper, but will benefit from changing that msi unify board for a different board
that being this ridiculous monstrosity
heavy marsh
heavenly
full flint
its utterly ridiculous for a mainstream socket board, but if those ndi encoders are x1 interface, you'll be just fine with this lol
hit me up when you have details and a timetable and i'll work with you if you want
this is heavenly, the gigabyte trx40 xtreme
the most absurd motherboard ever
dual intel 10 gig ethernet onboard, because sure let's go overkill
full flint
jesus, thats an excessive amount of MLCC caps you got there on that 6800XT amd, guess you don't want instability due to crap capacitors and an incorrect voltage curve 😂
neat gorge
jesus, thats an excessive amount of MLCC caps you got there on that 6800XT amd, guess you don't want instability due to crap capacitors and an incorrect voltage curve 😂
@full flint what's that?
vapid valley
if i have minecraft bedrock on xbox one and i sign into my account on pc do i have to buy minecraft again
thorny cypress
Yes, it is a different license on PC
sacred iron
hi
smoky flame
138 FPS on the 6800 XT at 1440p ultra. I'm pretty sure that is more than double what I'm getting with my 5700 XT Red Devil right now
smoky flame
oops xD
full flint
so what game? 😂
full flint
ah, division 2 favors nvidia, slightly, still you cant complain about that performance
check out the battlefield results for a real laugh
smoky flame
omg 😄