it would only save him like, 150 pounds overall, or less depending on what board he's considering
#pc-gaming
surreal moss
theres coward and enthusiast
full flint
or that, yeah
smoky flame
well Z390 for the 9900K and so on
surreal moss
no he wouldnt need a new board
full flint
he's not even wanting to overclock, i think a community bios and all the downsides of having a long dead platform aren't worth the 150 quid he's gonna save doing that
surreal moss
an adapted bios overrides the gen lock
full flint
let me tell you here friend about the 64gb of DDR4 slapped into a SODIMM adapter sitting on a piece of cardboard right now in the motherboard
with a 1080 slapped onto that thing
smoky flame
I don't consider myself enthusiast no more. Can't afford it and I'm definitely not a coward. I'd rather just not take risks and have a working system with as few issues as possible
full flint
going from AIO to a blower because you're scared of leaks is pretty extreme
I could see if it was a custom loop
surreal moss
^
surreal moss
gottem
full flint
if AIO really ran the risk of leaking they wouldn't be as popular as they are
smoky flame
it is still a risk. Sure, if I take my time everything should be fine but there will always be that little thought at the back of my head of failure and leak
full flint
fun fact. the AIO has less chance of failing than a blower fan
they always run a risk of leaking, they're popular because that risk is low, and they look better than air coolers
🙃
the aio has at least one, if not two fans of its own that have that same chance of failing so i call Bs
the failure chance is higher on an AIO because it has more moving parts , and has the same moving parts air coolers do, plus more parts air coolers dont
smoky flame
well at least an air cooler and fans are cheap to replace as I said before
surreal moss
wat
full flint
that's just cause you chose a crap model smh
I could use my AIO without fans since the radiator is passive
surreal moss
im sure a deepcool air cooler would nuke my pc just as badly
full flint
checkmate
there's a non zero chance a pump will fail on an aio, and a non zero chance one of the fans dies, etc, so uh, statistically an aio is more likely to fail than an air cooler because more moving parts = more things that CAN fail
im sure a deepcool anything would nuke your pc just as badly, its deepcool
surreal moss
thats theoretical, not statistical
full flint
if you're trying to apply moore's law to PCs then go ahead and say your PSU is going to overvolt the CPU and fry the GPU so you should just not use PCs at all cause it has the risk of failing
not because it will
but because it can
moore's law is about a doubling of processing power every cycle, so uh... wat?
er
derp
murphy's law
there you go 😄
smoky flame
I like how all this turned into an argument lol
obsidian bobcatBOT
surreal moss
Nobody brought up the fact that water is a better thermal conductor yet
full flint
oh
surreal moss
But I digress
full flint
i did, actually, air is a horrific conductor
it still doesn't really matter for a 65w cpu in a lower midrange build
smoky flame
at this point I don't think anyone will change my mind on air vs AIO vs custom loop
full flint
but i did infact mention that air is a worse conductor than water, up above when we were talking about waste heat
I mean, you get ideas like undervolting stuck in your head so why even bother at this point anyway
surreal moss
That’s fine, just don’t be dunking on AIOs because you don’t trust them
full flint
your choice is your choice
undervolting is both good and bad depending on what you're undervolting and why
but don't state something as fact because of your own preconceived notion
that's where people get irritated
undervolting zen2 can actually lead to performance increases, due to how intrinsically linked its sustained clockspeed is to temperature. but that wont really apply to low end cooling and typical usage scenarios in any meaningful margin
GPUs
not CPU
full flint
zero benefit to doing so while leaving the voltage threshold cap intact
oh, you can undervolt a 3080 by like, 30 - 40mv and it'll lose single digit performance and eat 100w less power. not really needed anymore now that nvidia slightly altered the volt/frequency curve of the 3080 in a semi recent driver, but its a neat experiment academically
smoky flame
I'm still learning. I'd like to think I don't irritate people but hey, If I do, I apologize. If I knew all there was to PCs from the start, every juicy detail then this place would have been a lot quieter until people asking for build advice come along
full flint
I really think that leans more on Samsung 8nm
undervolting TSMC nodes is kinda moot
yeah, the node is horrifically broken for sure
full flint
so it's a good thing NVIDIA's moving to TSMC7+
oh god
I wonder who'll adopt them first
surreal moss
It’s already insane in the A14
full flint
AMD's moving to 5nm for Zen4 next year
so they might actually have a leg up there
since NVIDIA's moving from SS8nm to TSMC over the course of the next year
surreal moss
It’s gonna be lit
full flint
nvidia moving to tsmc 7nm anytime in the next 6 months, if true, and given the fact they cant physically ship any meaningful quantity of current ampere parts, begs the question : why didn't they just wait a few months and actually launch something that isn't a complete and utter disaster any way you attempt to approach the ampere launch in the first place?
full flint
it boggles my mind how utterly mismanaged the entire ampere launch has been, truly
only a matter of time before apple starts shipping discretes for its desktops
surreal moss
You can’t wait when your product is launched and competed with annually
That’s how you lose
full flint
i mean, they may very well still lose anyway, except they'll have eaten the further mindshare hit that they couldn't even ship any product in the first place
smoky flame
as I have said a few times in the past. Most of the info I get elsewhere, mostly from this other server always seems to be wrong when talking here. I even got someone who tears apart GPUs for fun and knows quite a lot about them and their thoughts on undervolting
full flint
next weeks gonna be fun
surreal moss
The majority of pc info online is wrong
full flint
I mean, if you want to speak to my friend who literally rebuilds destroyed GPU
complete with reflows
surreal moss
There’s the people that don’t know what they’re taking about, people that do know what they’re talking about, then people who have actually done what they’re talking about
full flint
sub, don't take pc advice from anyone that does the same kind of wackadoodle crap buildzoid does. he knows his stuff but his advice isn't for normal people, its for crazy people that love tinkering more than actually using their hardware, and dont know what stock actually means
surreal moss
Jay2 is a much better resource for this stuff
full flint
its cool if that's your goal from the start, but that kind of enthusiast affecting your purchasing decisions leads you down a rabbit hole best not gone down for most
surreal moss
Linus is pretty good as well
Jay2 is next tier in terms of technical explanations though
He will teach you lots
full flint
i mean, dude also put milk in a water cooler because... sure why not
Wednell if you want the most technical (Level1Tech)
surreal moss
And it worked
full flint
for like an hour, then the whole warehouse smelled like butt and corpses
surreal moss
Doesn’t change the fact that it worked
full flint
true
smoky flame
That's the thing. It is just getting to the point idk who or what to trust. Early on (before I got into using Discord) most of my knowledge was self taught but past couple of years I've really been slacking and I think it shows
full flint
Linus>Jay>GamersNexus>Paul>Wendell
surreal moss
No
surreal moss
Linus is more general audience and it’s more of a testing review than a testing and explanation
full flint
the only value you can attain watching linus is laughing when he drops twelve thousand dollars worth of hard drives and then laughs because he makes 35 million bucks a year and doesnt care
surreal moss
Also talks painfully slow
full flint
in terms of technical breakdown that's more or less how it flows
Linus is less technical and Wendell is most
wendell is the most technical person ever, he also collects toilet tank lids, and nobody is quite sure why
yeah. no one knows
if you want consistent methodology and an ungodly large gaming suite being compared, you watch hardware unboxed. nobody tests as many games as aussie steve does, and that mad lad does it with so much hardware im amazed he finds time to eat, or sleep, or breathe
full flint
https://twitter.com/tekwendell/status/1314761730317258758 https://twitter.com/tekwendell/status/1314761722641690624
yeah, nobody has any idea why and he never explained himself
😂
That episode of WAN show was special. literally messaged him to get his phone number mid-stream and called him
but yeah, hardware unboxed test by far the most games and the most hardware, and consistently too
36 game suite is just bonkers, i think gamersnexus has like, 4 games in its suite or something useless like that
smoky flame
I quite like HUB reviews
full flint
"lets test these 4 games and make a conclusion that applies to every game ever!" yeah great methodology there steve, test more games
what did i just read? lol
smoky flame
other than that I don't really watch tech youtubers as much as I used to. I get the more technical info from sites like Guru3D and TechPowerUp - I especially like the latter as they tend to do GPU teardowns and explain in quite a bit of detail what each component does. Which for my level of understanding etc is quite cool, I think
full flint
yeah sub, you have tons of valid paths to take upgrading this holiday. first you need to decide on a gpu and set a budget for the rest of your components though
smoky flame
it's not so much deciding on a GPU. That is done. I should have a 3080 but yeah. AMD, as of right now is only a consideration. I'm waiting to see what AMD reveal on the 28th. Hell, if I didn't sell my 1080 Ti to give AMD a try I may never have considered them for a GPU. Actually really beginning to like the 5700 XT and Radeon Software
surreal moss
Don’t
There’s no GPU on the planet with more issues on random games with no explanation than the 5700xt
If it hasn’t plagued you yet, it will
The weekly “mcc keeps crashing on my 5700xt” post on halo waypoint relally cements it
smoky flame
Owned it since the end of July and have rarely found issues, at least with the games I play. Past few driver updates have been fixing a lot of issues too
full flint
what do you even play sub?
smoky flame
At the moment I've been playing The Division 2 a lot again. Otherwise I play all sorts of games. The list would be pretty big but I'd say I cover all bases with up to date API etc
full flint
also yeah, the radeon software suite has so many nice little features it makes you wonder why geforce experience is so barebones and the nvidia control panel hasnt had a feature change since the early 2000s
the division 2 is fun, i liked the warlords expansion
because AMD bought Raptr
that's literally it. they bought and integrated Raptr and then finally had features 
uh, it does a lot more than raptr ever did
maybe now
their in-game overlay has mind blowingly in depth statistics reporting available, as well as inbuilt ocat for benchmarking, not to mention all kinds of other cool bits and bobs
the GFE in-game overlay has... um, an fps counter, thats something i guess
smoky flame
one thing I will admit that I find frustrating. Looking through both AMD and Nvidia's global graphics options and seeing how many settings are no longer support newer games. Like damn, this stuff really needs updating and/or better explained yet
full flint
yeah, neither side really does a good job on that front sub
smoky flame
let me try and dig out the Radeon Software global graphics settings thing I done. It was basically a show of what settings are supported in modern games
full flint
yeah, it basically removes the need for third party software to monitor your system in game (msi afterburner, etc), and that's like, not even a third of what can be enabled in the amd in-game overlay in terms of reporting
heh, you can even alter color temp, saturation, contrast, etc, in realtime while you're gaming to suit whatever you need at the time (better visibility in dark areas being a big deal for some people etc)
you can only use certain nvidia overlay effects in GFE in supported titles, and its all a bit confusing and messy
smoky flame
I was meaning stuff like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382781095357317131/752554819092348968/unknown.png
full flint
anti lag reduces input latency in games by altering the way it delivers frames to your cpu and outputs frames to minimize wasted time, its more often than not worth enabling if you're playing competitive games
smoky flame
green meant supported, orange supported but not on all up to date API and of course red means no support
full flint
boost is a weird performance enhancing thing that works pretty well depending on what you're playing,
full flint
vsync is supported in uh, most games actually
smoky flame
white exclamation marks are settings I'm unsure of
full flint
a lot of those settings are explicitly for legacy games that dont have ways to toggle those in-game
some old games have no way to set what type of antialiasing to use, or even enable AA at all, for example
the radeon software settings (and nvidia control panel for nvidia owners) can force it in those titles
smoky flame
I see
full flint
they're not meant to work universally, they're meant to work for the software that needs them, and that's almost always really old stuff
first page stuff is more universal in nature
smoky flame
btw, vsync through Radeon Software I think can only be enabled on DX9 titles or so I read. It isn't nearly as wide as Nvidia's Vsync support somehow
full flint
DX9 and older titles
any DX11 or newer software has its own toggle for vsync in its settings, so does almost all DX9 software
smoky flame
I jsut made it as a guide to keep me right and stuff
full flint
there's not enough DX10 software to bother including in the discussion, and i mean that literally
smoky flame
annoying thing is most games with built in vsync may not implement it correctly. I remember having issues in Metro Exodus where even with Vsync enabled it was still exceeding the monitor's refresh rate, which at the time I had my old 1080p 144Hz Asus monitor. Forcing vsync through the nvidia control panel fixed that
Borderlands 3 is another example. I found enabling vsync in game still introduced tearing. Disabling it in game and forcing it through the NVCP fixed that too
these things I can't do with Radeon Software 😦
full flint
you can, actually. the vsync override should work in all apis , you currently have it set to application controlled
smoky flame
from what I read the Radeon Software vsync doesn't support past DX9. Unless that was old info and they since added support for other APIs then damn, I've been using it wrong lol
full flint
these are your choices
enhanced sync will enable it for low framerates and disable it for high framerates, its an input lag thing dont worry about it. you'll want always on, unless you have an adaptive sync display
smoky flame
My monitor supports both Freesync (Premium Pro) and G-sync Compatible
full flint
sorry, i had it backwards, enhanced sync disabled it for low framerates adn enables it to keep your framerate below the monitor's max refresh
its the setting you want to set if you have a freesync display
smoky flame
currently with AMD GPUs enhanced sync is recommended to be disabled as it can cause black screen issues when enabled in certain games
a fix for that issue has been missing for months apparently
full flint
then set it to always on instead, and that will override game settings, in all apis
you can also do it per-game, or toggle it when needed in the in-game overlay i believe
its been a little bit since i had an amd gpu, i've had my 980Ti for a long time, and am waiting for rdna2 to replace it
smoky flame
I'm actually going to test it now. Though I do wonder. Nvidia, at least with their G-Sync module recommend enabling Vsync, preferably through the NVCP along side having G-Sync enabled. It has me wonder if Freesync behaves the same or am I best leaving even driver forced vsync disabled with AMD hardware?
full flint
enhanced sync is just a thing to reduce input lag since vsync doesn't kick in at framerates below monitor refresh at all, its the same as nvidia's fast sync setting
vsync increases input lag, usually not enough so that most would notice, but competitive high refresh rate gamers most definitely do
smoky flame
from what I understand of AMD's enhanced sync vs Nvidia's fast sync. AMD's might actually be better as it triggers from the moment FPS exceeds a monitor's refresh rate. Where Nvidia it is only supported on select games, no DX12 support either I believe and wants that game to be exceeding the monitor's refresh rate by at least double I believe
full flint
possibly, im not sure
smoky flame
again, maybe that since updated when AMD went to the 2020 edition. Both the vsync and enahanced sync options I read 2019 edition's descriptions
from 2019 edition and it doesn't even support DX9. I must have been confusing it for another setting
ok, just checked the 2020 edition and it is the same so vsync remains red on my little guide, unless using OpenGL but I think that API is all but dead with Vulkan pretty much taking its place in recent games
funny thing is I never seen the note before when reading through 2020 edition settings so that must have been edited and added somewhat recently
sullen hearth
Every time I try to View My Profile on Xbox website from my computer it brings up support page. Anybody know how to fix this? If so msg me!
full flint
got my first tkl today... loving it so far
probably wont go lower
full flint
which one did you get?
full flint
gmmk, kailh purple, tai-hao keycaps
nice
i need a new kb soon
id do research on the switches
get a keytester if you can
meh, its going to have cherry reds in it because all other switches are bad 😄 wont be my first mech
lost pendant
Anyone here game on a lg cx
Would it be a good tv to play on competitively mainly for fps games
full flint
sure, except if you play very few games but for lots of combined total hours, you'll burn the crap out of the thing, so its not really an ideal thing to use an oled for that kind of usage
ive used cherry reds I dont like it
kailh purple so much better
devout remnant
Would it be a good tv to play on competitively mainly for fps games
@lost pendant it’s the best TV to play competitively on!
sure, except if you play very few games but for lots of combined total hours, you'll burn the crap out of the thing, so its not really an ideal thing to use an oled for that kind of usage
@full flint not true. Your image refreshes so much that the only issue is when it’s the exact same picture for hours and hours and hours and even then, it’s not guaranteed to get burn in.
full flint
nah, oleds will burn even if the hud elements aren't onscreen for a continuous period of time. total hours displaying that hud are all that will matter, because oleds aren't actually burning like plasmas did, the pixels are degrading at different rates and leaving a negative of whatever they were displaying on the screen forever as a result
lost pendant
I heard the lg has a pixel refresh mode where it automatically turns off your tv every 4 hours to let you know you’ve been playing too long
To avoid burn in
full flint
wont really avoid burn, might delay it, as would turning the brightness way down
does anyone have water that can break my pc
uh
well now im gonna fix my desktop to not look like a tornado hit it
devout remnant
nah, oleds will burn even if the hud elements aren't onscreen for a continuous period of time. total hours displaying that hud are all that will matter, because oleds aren't actually burning like plasmas did, the pixels are degrading at different rates and leaving a negative of whatever they were displaying on the screen forever as a result
@full flint ive owned 4 OLEDs and my PCs OLED has had the same image for over 1.5 years with hours of use.
As long as it’s changing, HUD isn’t going to burn in.
surreal moss
The theoretical individual pixel degradation is true, but it’s not as durastic as it’s made to seem
full flint
Anyone has or knows a good gaming set up?
devout remnant
@full flint in what way?
What you looking to play?
What’s your budget?
Or you just asking in general?
full flint
I really just need monitors and a pc that’s fairly good and not too expensive
And in general. I already have a gaming chair and desk I have in mind
I just need monitors for my Xbox and Ps4 and hopefully a pc
devout remnant
What’s not too expensive for you though? 😅 - also, where are from?
When you say Xbox, you looking to get Series S / X or no?
full flint
I’m not getting a next gen yet. I want to see reviews about it a little before I get it
And the budget I’ll say is about 700 cause I’ll have to get components and stuff like that
full flint
so you are looking for a monitor? or two monitors?
full flint
Can someone check my pc parts list
rocky roost
should i build a 900 dollar pc or just get a series x
mild leaf
build
smoky flame
a $900 build would likely be all AMD but not their newest stuff. Their cheapest, newly announced Zen 3 CPUs would set you back $300 alone so in this situation I'd recommed going with a Ryzen 5 3600
that CPU should work out at least $100 cheaper than the newer, upcoming Ryzen 5 5600X. The more saving, the better in a system with a $900 budget
Speaking of saving. Since the 3600 comes with a cooler in the box you wouldn't need to buy another one separate. Though I do recommed keeping that CPU stock if using the included cooler
surreal moss
just get a series x
put the $400 you save in a savings fund for a future pc and keep adding to it
full flint
That's my recommendation as well.
smoky flame
Now that I think of it. Going the Series X route may be better in this situation. Ignore what I previously said. It is very likely a decent system could be built for $900 but as Dark mentioned, it would likely be needing upgrading again a year or two later
full flint
cutting corners and using hard drives would be feasible for $900
smoky flame
yeah, when I started totalling things up in my head it was getting increasingly difficult. I like keeping the GPU for last when creating builds so I then know of a budget was there is left to work with and just throw the rest of that into the GPU but this $900 could be lucky if $400 can be put into the GPU - which was what I was targeting
smoky flame
what would actually be considered a reasonable budget for a decent build in USD? Nothing over the top. I'm sure most like me would just prefer a system that works. Aesthetics really come at a premium
smoky flame
heh, that's a little lower than I thought. I probably would have tried for $1500 in the mid-high. Though the GPU I would have picked out would be leaning well into the high tier. 3080 (from $699) being the focus. $800 for the rest of the components should be manageable
full flint
I was just using a standard block-case
like...one of the old cheapo business-looking cases
faint field
So I’m looking to build a pc, looking for tips, also AMD or Intel?
full flint
depends on what you're going for
faint field
More for gaming and my work
ruby steppe
who wants to do a among us kahoot
surreal moss
What kind of work
faint field
Intelligence lol
full flint
you don't really need a super beefy pc for that
surreal moss
That’s why I asked lol
smoky flame
devout remnant
Yes! I can’t believe I actually have one 😭 - thought it was going to be impossible this year ...
smoky flame
I'll be sure to post an image whenever I get my 3080 TUF OC. Provided AMD doesn't go and impress me so much on the 28th that I go and cancel the order 😅 I'm half expecting not to see it until sometime in November. Even then I don't have much confidence the store I bought it from will actually fulfil all pre orders "during or by the end of November" in their words
devout remnant
@full flint thank you!
@full flint and nice, I really hope they do have stock for everyone. It’s such a pain to want and prepare for something and then it’s not available 😓
@smoky flame I really hope you get yours soon, I can see a lot of people jumping ship if AMD can actually get stock.
full flint
also rtx 3070...
floral quail
hopefully rtx3080 will be available in India...
smoky flame
yeah, all I can say is I'm glad I took the chance to give AMD a go before all this really went mad. Actually pretty impressed with the 5700 XT I have. Some may view the sidegrade I done (coming from a 1080 Ti) as an odd one but I have no regrets over it. AMD are definitely worth a try and as long as they stay the cheaper of the two, they will get would be Nvidia GPU buyers going over to them, especially with how things are right now. Sure hope they and partners are ready for the flood of orders they will get lol 😄
full flint
igor coming through with the spicy info ahead of the event 😂 he's verfied these percentages are accurate against his own cards
full flint
that aint even the flagship sku, still. nice to see RT performance ahead of the 2080Ti, expected that it would be a little behind ampere, though it should scale in amd's favor as resolutions drop, because of the implimentation they're using being partially shader driven
devout remnant
I think 6900 will be similar to 3090
But it could actually beat it 👀
If 6800 is beating 3080, then 6900 could beat 3090
full flint
the 6800XT outscores the 3090 in firestrike extreme, it would lose in timespy based on that result, slightly
the 6900XT is a whole other matter and as no AIBs have them (as its amd reference card only, and likely an overpriced halo product like the 3090, which i aint even mad about, it exists for that reason only), we have no data on it
full flint
here's the numbers, extrapolated from the percentages above so as not to out which exact AIB let their cards slip out to someone (he has the exact numbers, he chose not to endanger the source of the information)
that firestrike extreme result is ahead of the 3090's mid 12000s performance
full flint
woof, evga wtf are yall doing? 400w stock? its not even any faster than all the 340w models and only a frame or two faster than the 320w founder card.... wow evga just wow
for real, wow 🤦
has everyone making pc hardware lost their damn minds? i remember when a 400w gpu would get you laughed out of the room, and when burning an extra 80w for 1% more performance was not acceptable to hardware manufacturers
devout remnant
@full flint really good projections but can’t wait to see in game.
And my card can draw 480W 👀
full flint
what card do you have?
but yeah, evga are out of their minds, charging $130 more than msrp for a 3080, guzzling an extra 80w of power... to deliver effectively the same performance? there's no overclocking headroom in the 3080 to justify an OC focused model, you can only get like, 30 - 40mhz out of the thing no matter what model you're messing with, and that translates to basically no gains
im struggling to think of a gpu that can actually pull 480w
oh, yeah, that can pull 480w 😂
anyway, if evga did a 3090 with the same kind of stupidity it would be like, 550w
i just think they're on something, because its just gotten insane
we were trending downward in power consumption and upwards in efficiency for a few years there, but then all of a sudden let's use ALL the power, efficiency? what's efficiency?
i'm gonna have to rethink my upcoming build, depending on where rdna2 lands in terms of power draw. a pc drawing ~700w+ is going to have a dramatic effect on room ambient temperatures, and that would suck for my current place
devout remnant
You have to be careful though, feeding more and more power doesn’t mean more performance always
Because heat, and so on
And yeah @full flint I agree
It’s going to just pump out insane temps
full flint
yeah, evga are burning an extra 80w to deliver... the same performance as every other 3080, its absolutely absurd
hah, passmark database added a new cpu... someone got sloppy and posted their result online
5600X overtakes all the intel coffeelake chips for passmark single thread performance, and is dramatically faster than the zen2 parts in the same test, becoming the fastest cpu in the entire database
ayyy, faster than the 8 core 3700X in multithreaded despite only being a 6 core part. not far off the 10900k either
this is a great holiday to build a new pc
yup, 5 more days
smoky flame
I'm more impressed at these numbers based off the fact the memory is still standard GDDR6, on a 256 bit bus. For this, even with 16GB I think it will keep costs down just enough and things should work really well out of the box. Unlike Nvidia and this GDDR6X. Honestly convince it has something to do with the shortage of cards. Watch the 3070 be widely available before the year is out all because it isn't using GDDR6X
full flint
maybe, we'll find out soon enough on that one
but uh, yeah, numbers are looking really, really strong
RT performance being ahead of turing, on a turing optimized benchmark is a good sign. both rdan2 and ampere should pull ahead quite a lot in software actually optimized for their respective RT implimentations, as they're both a bit different than turing's
smoky flame
One thing, I highly doubt AMD's supposedly 'halo tier" GPU will cost anywhere near as much as Nvidia's 3090 does. Their most expensive gaming GPU to date has been the Radeon VII at $699, which matches the price of a 3080
full flint
you say that, and yet
the 295x2 was their last obscene and obnoxious halo product, dual 290Xs on a single card. it was $1500
smoky flame
That is a dual GPU. I don't count those
full flint
the 6900XT is going to be a really low volume product
perfect dies that can also clock insanely well are going to be a relative rarity, even with the yields they've got
expect at least $1200, if not more
its why they're not even bothering to let third party AIB partners make any, they barely exist and the only reason its a thing is to kick nvidia a little harder while they're (seemingly) down
its a marketing tool, not a product anyone should seriously consider
smoky flame
a marketing tool that isn't that much greater than the GPU below it. I really don't think AMD will play Nvidia at their own game. That would be very unlike AMD of recent but it would sure as hell give me a good laugh seeing all the comments and fanboys come out in force
full flint
it'll be 10 - 15% faster, probably have 32GB of ram on it or something dumb, they'll make exactly negative 15 of them and send them to the press and get the mindshare and PR win of being flat out "the best"
its gonna be just as useless a product as the 3090. the 3080 vs the 6800XT is the real battle that gamers should actually care about
smoky flame
even being priced at $1200 would be too high I think. $799 at most. Have to remember AMD are only just entering the playing field with a proper ray tracing GPU and sure, their specs may be good from what we have seen so far but last thing AMD want is their own Turing style launch to go all wrong
full flint
im talking about the 6900XT, the one that doesn't make sense and wont matter
the 6800XT is probably gonna be like, $599 or something dumb, we'll find out in a few days
smoky flame
80CUs makes sense I think. The specs are nothing over the top unless I'm not getting something about it
full flint
the chip has to have zero defects AND also be able to clock higher than anything else in the stack
chips that meet both criteria will be a relative rarity, which is why a 72CU sku exists in the first place
smoky flame
zero defects? now that would be very impressive
full flint
the die only has 80CUs, if there's even a single defect in any of them, they have to down bin it to a 72CU 6800XT
smoky flame
ouch
full flint
even with the low defect rate of tsmc 7nm, perfect chips of that size (500mm^2 or higher) will be uh, not that common
hence, halo product that has nearly no volume and isnt relevant for anything other than as a marketing tool, just like the 3090
smoky flame
ok, now I think I see it but will still wait and see for sure
full flint
could they sell it for really cheap? sure... but why bother when you're only gonna be able to ship a small amount of them, and uber enthusiasts will clearly pay any dollar amount to buy "the best", just like with the 3090
smoky flame
80 CUs is effectively two 5700 XT right? so it would be somewhat comparable to viewing a 5700 XT's results then doubling that
full flint
in theory, sure, except clockspeeds also seem to be 400 - 700mhz higher
on paper its about 2.3x+ faster than a 5700XT, in practice it'll be less because nothing scales perfectly
smoky flame
now that sounds good if it is like that
full flint
the 6800XT at the kinds of clockspeeds it apparently boosts to is about 2.2x a 5700XT on paper. in practice it'll likely be closer to 2x, and we see this with the borderlands 3 results they already teased. its about twice as fast as a 5700XT at 4k (Scaling at lower resolutions could be better, or worse, but the 5700XT did better at lower resolutions than higher ones, so that's worth keeping in mind)
smoky flame
it is crazy. All the servers I'm in that have a technology related channel are all talking about it. This 3080 is getting increasingly less likely to remain an order with me and I've still got 5 days to wait. A good part of me wants to go and cancel the order now tbh
full flint
nah, keep it, the 6800XT looks like its gonna be faster, but its not faster enough to rush to cancel an existing order
if you can score one before they ship your TUF 3080, great. otherwise just enjoy a similar performance jump with the 3080
smoky flame
it's not jsut that. Cost too. If that 6800 XT comes in cheaper and faster than a 3080 when announced you can bet that order is as good as gone with me
full flint
unless you have an idealogical reason to switch to support the underdog or whatever, its not worth stressing over until you have one or the other card confirmed on the way
or if the price is significantly cheaper, sure, but cancelling it now before they've announced the price or release date? nah, dont do that
smoky flame
save money, gain equal or slightly better performance. Win-win imo
oh and the third win? actual stock! Not a fabled launch.
full flint
actual stock is a thing that will exist, it'll still be tough to get one due to demand, but not uh "hey we might ship your order next quarter, sorry!" types of tough
and yeah, i just double checked the results 61fps on 4k, bada** preset in the in-game benchmark
5700XT does 32fps, so its ~2x faster, and a match for the 3080 in the game
1.95x is close enough to 2x to call it 2x imo 😂
smoky flame
trust me, if AMD utter words relating to stock and no issues I'm sold on whatever AMD announce. Right now I don't even know if I will receive my 3080 before January, or worse later still. All AMD need to do is make sure they have produced enough and put in place all the measures to limit people to one GPU and it should be all but guaranteed I may get one of their GPUs before Christmas. Perhaps even within the week they launch, which would be ideal!
full flint
and that's with drivers that obviously aren't anywhere near final, because they had to have done this at least a montha go now, and drivers keep getting optimized for new gpus right up to release..much to the dismay of reviewers who have to keep throwing out data and retesting multiple times
its a thing, hardware unboxed griped about it with the 5700XT and with turing when they launched
they've reccomended that retailers limit it to 1 per person, whether any actually follow that guidance is another matter. still, they would have to go out of their way to have a launch as bad as ampere, let alone worse
smoky flame
Sure hope they do
full flint
they would have to do it on purpose, the ampere launch is the worst gpu launch i've ever seen in terms of supply, messaging, marketing, all of that
smoky flame
AMD have killed off Crossfire so there is no reason for anyone to be buying more than one GPU if you ask me. Basket should automatically limit the customer to 1
full flint
and i'm an old man who's witnessed the launch of every gpu since the name geforce was born nearly 25 years ago
its worse than the vega launch, and that's saying a LOT. the saving grace for ampere is it actually has great performance, and vega, while competitive with the 1070 and 1080 both on price and performance, didn't make that kind of splash
smoky flame
yeah, I heard Vega was pretty poor. Pretty glad I didn't get into wanting to try AMD during Vega. That, I'm sure would have left me avoiding AMD
full flint
i mean, relative to the same priced nvidia gpus they were fine. they drew more power than the nvidia cards did, but they were actually competitive. not great cards by any stretch, but not the disaster that some would make it out to be. still, the ampere launch is worse in terms of supply because 1. at launch ONLY reference cards existed for vega and 2. miners were buying ALL THE THINGS, but it was STILL easier to get one than to find a 3080
smoky flame
as if this needs hyped up anymore than it already is. I'm confident AMD will deliver. Just got a feeling, a good one at that 🙂
full flint
yeah, the conference is in 5 more days 😄
if rdna2 behaves like rdna1 did in terms of resolution scaling, btw, it'll be stronger at 1440p than at 4k relative to the 3080
ampere scales the other way, 1440p performance is relatively poor, its less than 20% faster than a 2080Ti at 1440p
so there's a lot of interesting things that have to be tested and looked at with it
rdna2 has dedicated RT hardware
the implimentation is different, hardware wise, than turing, and turing and ampere are also different
even in a benchmark designed for turing, the 6800XT is beating the 2080Ti for RT performance
ampere is faster at RT, and it was always going to be, but both of them will pull away from turing as future games target them directly for optimization
rdna2 RT being in both ps5 and series X will drive optimization forward for these cards, so that's a good thing for gamers
October 28, 2020 at 12:00 PM EDT so like... 5pm GMT?
oh, ok
not sure what time zone everyones in, but that's when the conference is, and it'll be on youtube and twitch, same as the last one
haughty cloak
full flint
October 28, 2020 at 12:00 PM EDT so like... 5pm GMT?
@full flint
1hr earlier in UK at least because of no more daylight saving time in the UK
Think usa is the week after
devout remnant
Today's @devout remnant lucky day, a RTX 3090 and an iPhone 12 Pro.
@full flint absolutely 😅
I would have had my monitor too but it’s shopping from EU 😅
Takes a few days to get to UK.
full flint
yeah I get that too sometimes
coming from italy, spain or france 
full flint
interesting
floral quail
I aint ever planning to do overclocking so should I just cheap out and get a i7-10700 (non K ) and a 240mm rad aio instead of i7-10700K and a 20mm rad
floral quail
rtx Gpus support something called RTX which is basically very fancy lightin, and they have DLSS which gives higher resolustion and fps
floral quail
I aint ever planning to do overclocking so should I just cheap out and get a i7-10700 (non K ) and a 240mm rad aio instead of i7-10700K and a 20mm rad
yes or no?
so better performance in game
@full flint not every game supports DLSS or rtx
so you should see if the games you play actually utilize the dlss or rtx
surreal moss
@floral quail yes
full flint
Lag, any $30 air cooler is enough to cool a 10700 non k under full load, i reccomend a hyper 212 evo black edition for $30, spending $100+ on an AIO for a locked cpu is.... why?
floral quail
okayyy but now that everyone told me to go amd, i had an alt build in pc part picker
full flint
if you want to spend it for the looks, great, but its the definition of overkill for a nonk i7
surreal moss
With AIOs, the bigger you get, the more cooling power you will have at the same volume. It’s a personal preference and a budget preference as well.
You also ensure you have enough cooling power if you upgrade
full flint
also true
i would not reccomend going with a locked i7 over one of the upcoming ryzen parts for a similar price though
or even over one of the current ryzen parts
floral quail
I dont plan on doing overclocking and stuff, because a. I'm not interested in it. b. I am too scared that I will break it or crash something and make the system not work
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hGnBPV btw heres the amd build that I prepared
full flint
yeah, its not really about whether you want to overclock or not, but with the low 3.8 - 4.1ghz all-core turbo (depending on workload type) of the 10700 nonk, its not really even going to beat a zen2 cpu in the same pricerange, let alone the upcoming zen3 parts
hey that's not too bad, but that 3800X would be better off swapped to a 5600X if you're building after the 5th, assuming you can get them, build also has no motherboard in it
floral quail
okayy
full flint
motherboard is kinda neccesary 😂
floral quail
I dont want like the the best amd CPU, but a mid range one which is good for gaming and a lil bit of video editing in the side
full flint
yeah, the 5600X will be a solid all around choice for that
multithreaded performance seems to be roughly on par with the 8 core ryzen 3000 parts, and single threaded and gaming performance is significantly higher
standby, i'm making some alterations here
floral quail
i think I'm good with that cpu, unless it bottlenecks a RTX 3080
surreal moss
Ram should be 3600 cl16
floral quail
whats the difference?
full flint
are you dead set on that nzxt h710 case?
floral quail
no
full flint
does it have to be white?
floral quail
i think im getting a Corsair iCUE 465X
full flint
glass front panel will be problematic
surreal moss
That same psu is $20 cheaper if you get it in black
floral quail
Ilike the NZXT design more, but the guys at the pcmr disc told me that those nzxt cases have really bad airflow
full flint
if you guys are looking for good cpu
i recamend amd ryzen 7 2700x
they do, but so does the icue 465x
floral quail
they said it has alright airflow, idk man i have no idea which case I'm getting
full flint
its really good for performance on games and speed
the corsair 4000x is simiarly priced at least here, not sure how it compares
here, changed a few parts, added a motherboard since your build had none, and that 3800X is just a placeholder for the 5600X which comes out in a couple weeks
floral quail
the phatechs case is unavailable here rn
full flint
you in UK?
floral quail
india
floral quail
the corsair 4000x is simiarly priced at least here, not sure how it compares
@full flint out of stock
floral quail
yeah, I guess I only trust amazon as a reliable online store cuz the others have basically just scammed me
full flint
i'm digging through amazon for cases, gimme a moment
floral quail
Ram should be 3600 cl16
I dont really care if the difference is very less or un noticable, but imma look on amazon anyways
full flint
i'm almost done with a build with parts available at amazon.in
i don't see any 1440p high refresh monitors in stock at all
floral quail
I chose one
full flint
I need a new case for my pc I ever upgrade my gpu...
will either be evga or asus 3070
probably in 2021 though
and also monitor
floral quail
Acer XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor
full flint
how many ₹ is that?
floral quail
around 30-40K
and also I got an old Dell D1918H lying around which I could use for discord and other stuff
full flint
yeah that's your only viable choice, weird
monitor selection is pretty bad on amazon india atm
https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/fMqP3Z here, amazon also has no 3600 C16 ram, but 3600C18 will be equivalent to the 3200C16 stuff you had in your build before. also switched pcpp to the indian site so you can see relevant prices directly
floral quail
yeah, I do that every time I load up the site bcuz I cant be bothered to change the bookmark
full flint
anyway, the 5600X will be the cpu you want to go with for this, its not out yet so i cant add it to the build list
that case is equivalent in terms of airflow to the phanteks case that isnt in stock there, and has plenty of room to mount the AIO up top as well, which will leave you with 5 fans in the build, which is more than enough airflow
floral quail
eh, I dont care what Cpu if it doesnt bottleneck my GPU
full flint
well, the 5600X is your cpu of choice for what you said you intended to use the machine for, they release on the 5th
floral quail
I just record from the nvidia overlay and idrc if my final edits take 2 hours to render
im pretty set on my cpu and the case and ram is the one im debating
full flint
the performance of any of the cpus you could choose in this price range is about the same for rendering, its gaming that there will be a noticable difference, in favor of the 5600X over either the 10700 nonk or the 3700X/3800X
full flint
userbenchmark is not a reliable source for anything, at least i think that's from userbenchmark
a ryzen 9 3900X is only marginally faster than a 3800X when it comes to gaming performance, you want the ryzen 5 5600X, which should be 20 - 30% ahead of both of them
floral quail
full flint
yeah i've never even heard of them
full flint
ok, bye, have fun with that
surreal moss
The 3900x and 3900xt will have the same bottlenecking issue
It’s just how zen2 is built.
If you’re utmost concerned about bottlenecking, either go 10700k or greater, or go zen 3
full flint
yeah i tried to explain that , dollar for dollar and pound for pound, for gaming and light productivity, the 5600X is the obvious choice for the build
but i didn't really get anywhere
we have some multithreaded data on the 5600X now, thanks to some moron uploading his results to the passmark database. slightly beats a 3700X in multithreaded, and whomps, well, everything in single threaded, which we expected
surreal moss
I would honestly not be concerned about bottlenecking unless you feel like you will be pushing the GPU to it’s max
Because that’s the only time you’ll really experience the full detriment
Other times will just be like 65fps instead of 70
full flint
unless he's playing CS:GO, league, or some other ultra lightweight esports game, he's not going to run into a cpu bottleneck at 1440p ultra settings even with the 3080 in anything that's less than 2 years old anyway, and being cpu bound while getting 200fps is kinda irrelevant, so really old games are pointless to worry about
surreal moss
A 3700x should do him fine
full flint
true, the glass fronted case wont be doing a 350w 3080 any favors though
i tried to get him into a mesh fronted case, but alas, i failed
surreal moss
We’ve had a discussion on that months prior
full flint
you and him?
surreal moss
And a couple others
full flint
i dont think i talked to anyone here about mesh cases, but they're basically mandatory in the age of 320w+ gpus. im still not sure who decided it was ok and when everyone became ok with it. amd used to get buried in terms of public opinion for its 275w gpus and nvidia's pushed a literally 450w monstrosity out in the market and everyones praising them
surreal moss
Replacing stock fans with good functional ones will render any case as a good cooling tool.
full flint
true, but glass fronted cases with horrific designs like anything nzxt makes won't be adequate no matter what fans you put in it, not with full system draw edging into the 700w+ territory
full flint
you could get away with it when your cpu could reasonably be expected to actually be 100w and your gpu was 180 - 220w
but in 2020? with ampere, and with intel still on 14nm? no freakin way
surreal moss
Again it’s not that serious of a detriment.
What you’re saying is correct but it’s exaggerated
He’s getting a zen 2 and probably won’t be pushing the 3080 too hard, he’ll be fine
full flint
a little bit, true, but if you have to pay $150 for the nzxt case and then put $120 worth of noctua fans into it for it to still be worse than the out of box performance of a $70 mesh fronted case with its stock fans, that still aint a good look (for nzxt)
oh no, he would be fine, i meant in more broader terms for an actual enthusiast build where it will be pushed
you can reasonably expect the power draw of a top tier build today to be roughly double what it was 4 years ago when nzxt designed those cases
full flint
yeah i know, i had moved on to talking about mesh cases more generally, not his build specifically, my bad 😂
surreal moss
I see
full flint
i'm kinda looking forward to seeing what kinds of cases we'll get at CES in january
now that case vendors know 400w gpus are a thing that's actually happening, they'll design accordingly, one can hope
CES is happening
digital, powered by azure
😄
not for me, i've never gone, i just wanna see all the new toys they'll show off
lol, 6900XT firestrike ultra scores are supposedly over 14 thousand, with the 6800XT being close to 13k ( 3090 is 12.4k and 3080 is 10.6k)
rdna2 is just dumb, i cant wait to see how it runs games
hybrid oasis
guys i can't log into my acc any 1 else having issuse
analog sapphire
google "xbox live status" and see what it says
full flint
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-partners-sold-less-than-1000-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-cards-in-china-october/ oh dear lord, its worse than we thought.... one of the biggest retailers in all of china sold less than a thousand 3080's in october (and they and AIBs lied and said they sold hundreds of thousands in total)
there are no cards, like, none
It is reported that the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 AIB graphics cards have hit 114,410 units sold while in reality, JD only managed to fulfill 743 orders which are just 0.65% of the total reviews & sales reported by the retailer.
hundreds of thousands of fake reviews to make it look like theres no supply issue, wow.....
second largest economy on earth, largest population on earth.... whole entire country gets a thousand 3080's for the month.... they just don't exist... this is way, way, way worse than i thought
i hope the 3070 doesn't have a similar problem, but early data from some retailers indicates the stock situation isn't much better. nvidia's choice to go with samsung to increase margins seems to be hurting them, severely. and it'll take months of design work and testing to shift gears and move to tsmc, assuming they even have any wafers for nvidia to buy with amd making such an insane number of 7nm products now
azure flicker
waiting for tuf 3080 to be sold again
hallow knot
That game Heave Ho, that is on the gamepass, is a local co-op game. On steam you can play it online with the couch gaming, is there anyway to do that with the gamepass games?
rare kestrel
vague meadow
redeem this in discord T96FG-JT6FK-CDGYJ-JXK7H-PK67Z
surreal moss
No
smoky flame
wish I never seen the posts above on Nvidia stock. This is just ridiculous. I think I'm done with the 3080. Will be cancelling my order on Monday. (store is shut over the weekend)
surreal moss
Watch the 6000s sell out too and you’re stuck with no upgrade
smoky flame
I don't think they will and even if they do I still expect there to be greater overall availability of those GPUs
smoky flame
most of what AMD have is tried and tested. 7nm? They've had that since Radeon VII. GDDR6? Navi (RDNA 1.0). I don't see how there is going to be as much of a shortage on AMD's side. Compared to Nvidia working with 8nm and GDDR6X that somewhere is clearly causing problems. Nvidia's lust to throw out the best hardware may have just caught them out and what a time for AMD to be creeping in. I say we are about to see AMD vs Intel all over again 
brave shard
devout remnant
@smoky flame AMD have said they expect people to be able to pre-order and buy post launch easily.
Or have systems in place for anything out of stock
But I imagine that if you’ve got a new GPU, more powerful than a 3080/3090, for less money, that’s available, it’s still going to sell out
Most likely.
smoky flame
even if it sells out the components they use should be more widely available than the ones Nvidia use on their cards (3080 and 3090 anyway). Isn't the GDDR6X memory being made exclusively by one company right now? and 8nm is on Samsung afaik
devout remnant
Yeah, I think it will launch mid-late November so extra time to stick up.
smoky flame
Still excited for these GPUs from both Nvidia and AMD but this has definitely clouded my thoughts on Nvidia somewhat. Next time I won't be rushing into buying a GPU so fast. Even if that means waiting a little extra to get one. With this launch it just spells out to me that Nvidia really weren't ready
devout remnant
Same. Next time, I hold on for sure.
full flint
SUB, hold onto your 3080 order until after amds conference at the very least, it makes no sense to cancel it right now
Agreed
personally i wouldn't cancel it until either A. rdna2 is shown to be as competitive in games as it is in synthetics or B. you actually have an order being shipped, but hey maybe that's just me
depending on where it you got it from wont it be too late
then again can always return it
he can cancel his 3080 order anytime if it hasnt shipped yet
ah
I wouldn't though
at least now
nvidia shipped less than a thousand 3080s to china's largest retailer for the entire month of october...
but yeah, he shouldnt cancel yet
devout remnant
Yeah, no need to cancel until we see, get release dates and then have the benchies
full flint
sub, dont cancel until an rdna2 card is on its way to you, or the performance you see is significant enough to justify it. availability will be better on rdna2, but the demand is also unprecedented due to nvidia shipping 12 gpus and 900 cargo ships full of empty promises, instead of launching a product
smoky flame
you know what? I will keep the order live until the end of the event. Though I doubt that will change anything. I'll probably still be going for an AMD GPU and cancelling my 3080 order by the end of it. Idk but I feel my odds of actually seeing my 3080 this year are near lottery like and I sure hope that isn't the case but have a feeling it is
full flint
i feel like you wont get it either, and its fully up to you if you want to cancel it, but uh, now aint the time
waiting until you can actually secure an rdna2 order or card itself would be a lot smarter
anyways, 4 days left 😄
smoky flame
yep. Going to be a long 4 days 😄
I've also been reading into a few things and I may end up running into a problem or two with my monitor and the 3080. Something to do with Ampere GPUs not being compatible with G-Sync Compatible monitors out of the box (requiring a future driver update to fix) that is a little awkward
smoky flame
daylight saving time also ends tomorrow so that AMD event will be on one hour earlier I think or will it be later?
devout remnant
@SUB-ZER0GAMER#5700 normally it’s either tonight at 2am or so or Sunday night / Monday morning 2am
misty chasm
is the game pass for pc include all game addons and dlcs?
ruby spear
No
surreal moss
You are losing nothing by holding onto your preorder until you get an actual card
Just saying
Sounds like you’re canceling out of frustration more than anything
haughty brook
hey guys, my buddy is having a hard time with gamepass on his brand new pc we built together.
He has gamepass, can play gamepass games, but cant play multiplayer on any of em, is this a common issue with (hopefully) an easy fix?
surreal moss
What games did you try
haughty brook
that dwarf mining game, I dont recall what its called. deepspace something
no mans sky as well
surreal moss
Any others?
haughty brook
grounded
surreal moss
And what did the issue look like when you say you couldn’t play multiplayer
haughty brook
he said it either had a spinning ingame loading screen that simply never loaded, or 'nothing happened'
I told him to uninstall all the xbox stuff and redownload it which he is trying now
surreal moss
A video clip would probably be helpful
haughty brook
I cant upload pics or vids to the server for some reason
surreal moss
Yeah you just dm it to me
cedar anvil
if anyone here plays gears of war 5
heres a code for a spray
pt7yf-hqq6w-j2xc2-9hw97-79crz
gl
full flint
pt7yf-hqq6w-j2xc2-9hw97-79crz
full flint
Hi
haughty brook
@surreal moss he tried playing fallout76 and it said his profile didnt have multiplayer privs
surreal moss
Sounds like an issue with his account settings more than anything
haughty brook
hmm
tender bloom
that issue happened to me, it said i didnt have the ability to play online when I downloaded games off of game pass for pc
its an account issue, you have to fix it on the microsoft website
magic kayak
Microsoft should sell a pc case that resemble the series x.
surreal moss
NZXT has one
fiery fable
i'm sad 😦
surreal moss
Hi sad
magic kayak
Yeah, I saw. I was thinking of using them to build my pc. It would be nice if microsoft officially made one though.
autumn sluice
This is why I don't use gfe
full flint
It apparently carries over to the drivers as well
for some parts
is fallout 76 sever down on xbox game pass pc
smoky flame
I don't think it carries over to the drivers though they did have some issue similar with the drivers. Even when I had an Nvidia GPU I never once touched GFE. Installing the drivers was plenty. Late on, before I sold my 1080 Ti FE I even done custom driver installs that removed all the seemingly useless stuff the drivers come with. All but the graphics driver and PhysX unticked in these cases and even now I'm learning PhyX is pretty much dead so my next Nvidia GPU I may only be installing two things. Graphics driver and RTX - which I believe was an option on the program I used for these custom installs, obviously I couldn't enable it at the time being on a 1080 Ti
smoky flame
it is dead in the form that I believe Nvidia use with their drivers. GPU-based PhysX games are very limited
full flint
that's because developers can implement it for other things in different ways
smoky flame
sure but wouldn't that mean these games should be included in that list then? From that list, all I see is one game that, during the lifespan of Nvidia Turing (RTX 20 Series) actually supports GPU-based PhysX. That game being Metro Exodus. Even then I don't know if it is actually GPU-based as I did install Nvidia drivers in the past a couple of times without PhysX and I was still able to select the in game "advanced PhysX" option where I would have expected it to have been greyed out and disabled
full flint
as in, it doesn't have to be an NVIDIA gpu in order to use it
smoky flame
probably still favours Nvidia hardware like all the trouble Nvidia got themselves in over Hairworks when running that on AMD incurred quite a hefty performance hit
Don't AMD have their own equivalent to both Hairworks and PhysX? that even on Nvidia hardware users didn't suffer any performance penalty
smoky flame
I think the only games I ever seen it used were Tomb Raider, TressFX right?
rigid marsh
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grim nacelle
is there somehting wrong with the severs?
its saying something went wrong with your party. try again later
inland monolith
I have a test on Microsoft forms if i can just know how to crate a fake account with a fake number to cheat on the test
ruby spear
Not the kind of help to ask for here
devout remnant
inland monolith
Not really its not asking for help its just telling what i am doing or thinking of 
smoky flame
Damn, that is a really sweet GPU @devout remnant 😍
smoky flame
can't be that bad surely
full flint
ayyyy, the strix 6800XT is going to have really, really high clockspeeds, apparently final clocks should be even higher on average than the engineering samples https://twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1320327830656483328
Twitter
full flint
i saw something about that at microcenter. its too bad that with only 8 threads, it'll fall behind the next gen consoles as the generation drags on
ayyy, followup details are awesome, https://twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1320387050789654529 it hits its 2.5+ turbo more often than it dips below its 2.3 - 2.4 average. impressive
Twitter
wednesday can't come soon enough
devout remnant
can't be that bad surely
@smoky flame well, it’s in now, all snug, will see how it is tomorrow!
smoky flame
Wednesday needs to hurry up. All this info is just tempting me even more to stick with AMD. Will be going for the PowerColor Red Devil once again most likely
full flint
sorry 😄
time below 2100mhz in that above 3dmark11 run would have been during load screens and the cpu physics tests where the gpu is super bored and doesnt have to even do much, if you're curious
smoky flame
no worries. I'm furious with Nvidia. If I was to rate the likelihood of me cancelling my 3080 order right now, on a scale from 0 (not a chance) to 5 (cancelling) I'd say it is a 4
full flint
not really sure why anyone would use 3dmark 11 for anything, but loads and loads and loads of accurate gpu leaks have come from the 3dmark 11 database over the years
don't cancel it until you both decide on going rdna2 and have a card confirmed on the way to you
devout remnant
Wednesday needs to hurry up. All this info is just tempting me even more to stick with AMD. Will be going for the PowerColor Red Devil once again most likely
@smoky flame yeah, everything in 2020 needs to hurry up 😅
smoky flame
yeah, don't worry. I will be waiting to see the event on Wednesday but that will likely only confirm my cancellation on that 3080 but I will keep the order active until these new AMD GPUs go live in stores
full flint
so it looks like the bios that patrick sent to igor the other day was the bios from the strix engineering samples. igor names patrick as the source for the bios he got. the reason patrick would have access to such a thing? he writes and contributes to a couple dozen different bios editing tools and other tools for radeon gpus, so its sorta his thing to have bios files laying around, and for people to want him to rip them apart to get details out of them
smoky flame
if it miraculously decides to process than idk what I'll do. Overall though, my thoughts on the 3080 aren't good. I don't even know if I'll accept the order if it suddenly processed
full flint
3080 is good, no reason to refuse it if they actually manage to ship it before you can get something different
performance gap wont be large enough in either's favor to do something quite so dramatic i think
smoky flame
all the talk of high failure rates and stuff really bothers me. I know it can happen on any piece of hardware and I'm likely overthinking it all but I just can't help it
full flint
failure rates aren't abnormally high for the RTX 3080
the early issues were due to a combination of nvidia pushing a little bit too hard, samsung's 8nm node being horrendous, and AIBs not having gotten access to drivers until literally days before launch, so they couldn't tweak their bioses to compensate for any differences in the capacitor layout they all chose to go with, and actually test the cards
that issue is resolved now, with a minor voltage curve adjustment
smoky flame
idk, some seem to think the failure rates are coming directly from Samsung when producing the 8nm nodes for these GPUs and these failures are what is holding things up. Last thing I want is to have waited over a month only to receive a defective GPU. I'll be pissed
full flint
poor yields is a different thing entirely
lack of supply because samsung can't produce much working silicon doesn't mean that the ones they did actually make are failing at an abnormal rate, or are likely to in any way
there's roughly a 1% chance you'll recieve a defective gpu, and that percentage is roughly the same for an amd gpu, or, well, any piece of mass produced consumer electronics
smoky flame
well I hope that is the case and maybe there is still hope for my 3080 yet. This is what happens when I read too much into things 😅
full flint
😂
if rdna2 is showing a dramatic performance lead, feel free to go for it, if you can score one before the 3080 ships? go for it, but there's no reason to freak out 😄
surreal moss
One card could fail and it would make news and people would exaggerate
You’ll get your 3080, and you’ll be completely fine
devout remnant
Yeah, I imagine the 6000 series will be late November, or mid November, so worthwhile having that 80 on order and just cancel only when you have one in hand.
smoky flame
the only other thing that bothers me about the 3080 may end up being the memory on it. 10GB was impressive on a XX80 card from Nvidia considering all the rest before it had 8GB or less but it may not be as impressive as what AMD are going to throw on their cards. Talk of 16GB being widely used and yeah, I know it will be GDDR6 and not GDDR6X
smoky flame
They have supposedly been cancelled. Which if true has me wonder what the hell is going on. Do Nvidia really expect a 10GB GPU to throw down with similar performing AMD cards with 16GB at 4K?
idk but I'm beginning to see right through Nvidia's marketing techniques. Only took me owning two "flagship" GPUs, missing out on RTX 20 series and waiting over a month on a 3080 to begin to see this lol
slate jackal
my 1080 card has 8GB Vram is that good for 4k60fps?
devout remnant
And you can always drop textures from Ultra to High, it’s not going to make a huge difference however you will get a boost in FPS.
@slate jackal depends on the game
slate jackal
Forza Horizon 4
devout remnant
VRAM isn’t going to make it run faster, just possible to load the gestures.
Forza 4 may work 4K 60, I would look at YouTube for 1080 benchmarks.
devout remnant
No, sounds about right 👍
full flint
SUB, the shadiest marketing tactic they used was to make the flagship gpu an X80 card, and compare it to last gens smaller die midrange X80 card
the 3090 is a titan replacement, the 3080 is a 2080Ti replacement, and the 3070 is a 2080 replacement, but they marketed it such that it would look way more impressive, WHOA 70% FASTER THAN THE LAST 80 CARD!!!!
there's zero space in the lineup for a 3080Ti, the 3090 is only 10% faster than the 3080, and they cant make a card bigger than the 3090
devout remnant
10-20% faster depending on what you’re doing
full flint
was only discussing gaming performance, and there, it averages 10% faster
there still isn't room in the stack for a 3080Ti, and releasing a card faster than the 3090 would require a completely different node, and be priced well over $1500, so it wouldn't help nvidia much, plus it will take months to prepare a new design with a new fab
devout remnant
4090 next year confirmed
full flint
its a rumour that cancellation
https://www.wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-20-gb-geforce-rtx-3070-16-gb-graphics-cards-cancelled-rumor/amp/
Think those cards were also a rumour too
or leak not sure
a leak
but a 20GB 3080 wouldnt be faster than the 10GB one, so it doesnt make much sense to squeeze the already severely constrained GDDR6X supply by putting twice as much on every card
the memory isn't what was constrained, the node was. Samsung 8nm was capping out
devout remnant
5nm when
full flint
next year amd will ship cpus and gpus on 5nm
nvidia.. probably wont, because amd will have already been ordering as many wafers as apple aren't using
GPUs
don't get ahead of yourself
AMD is focusing on 5nm for Ryzen first
they launched 7nm gpus before they launched 7nm cpus, and 2nd generation 7nm gpus launched on the same exact day 7nm ryzen did
full flint
Yes, but that's not how 5nm is working. It's a lot easier to move GPUs over to 7nm due to the process
5nm is an entirely different beast
you're gonna need to provide some actual sources on that one
CPU fabs and GPU fabs are very different
everything we've heard about tsmc's N5 node is that things are going perfectly smoothly. defect rates are already lower than 7nm, and the volume ramp happened many, many months ahead of schedule, performance beat target projections as well
apple have gobbled up the bulk of the supply this year to launch the iphone 12 of course, amd already confirmed rdna3 was going to be on a new node, where rdna2 is on the same node rdna1 was. they also straight up said zen4 was tsmc 5nm and coming next year. we'll see an updated gpu roadmap at some point on wednesday, we got the updated cpu roadmap on the presentation on the 8th
don't expect GPUs to use 5nm until next year. I'd be surprised otherwise.
i... said next year
er
2021
next year is 2021
wait.
oh. right
it's 2020
lmao
to hell with this year
it's nonexistent in my head
5nm is already shipping in volume in the A14 bionic chip powering the iphone 12. amd is moving full steam ahead buying ALL the 5nm wafers next year
but yes, the a12 is also an APU
they're tsmcs largest customer by wafer volume now, amd ships a LOT of silicon
If we were referring to them moving APU to 5nm first, I could see that for sure
they're launching their apus and cpus in the same family at the same general time now
we expect a january-february reveal for the ryzen 5000 APUs, powered by zen3 and rdna2
late Q1 or early Q2 ship date on laptops, desktop chips to follow later, no longer a gen behind the desktop chips
The earliest we could see would be if AMD announced their 7000 line of GPUs earlier next year and decided to use 5nm, but there's 0 evidence to suggest either of those two things
anyway, if they keep their current upgrade cadence, rdna3 should be on tsmc N5, there's no indication that it clocks worse than 7nm or has any particular issues that make gpus challenging to design on it. there are no hints, rumors, or anything that amd has run in to any delays, and tsmc themselves are way ahead of all projections on what the node would end up performing like. samsung on the other hand? samsung's in deep trouble, their nodes are underperforming projections and not releasing on time
rdna3 is on the roadmap for 2021, actually. we'll get an updated roadmap on wednesday, but i dont expect its been delayed
well, sure. but don't expect it to be on 5nm.
it'll need to be on 5nm or they've got nowhere to go performance wise with it, and they're not dumb enough to let the 6000 series ride for a full year and give nvidia time to regroup
if rdna2 is hitting as hard as all the data we've got so far suggests, they'll capitalize on that momentum
they realistically could try for TSMC N6
they'll also have to be doing rdna3 design work for zen4 apus to release shortly after zen4's launch regardless
N6 isn't actually much of an upgrade though, its a sidegrade that's compatible with existing N7 libraries but reduces costs
that's the point
they can't afford to sidegrade, they need to make as big a leap with rdna3 as they've made with rdna2, and N5 is the only node that will let them do it
if AMD managed to get the 6000 series on competition levels with NVIDIA on 7nm+, then they very much could afford to sidegrade later
cheaper costs with similar performance and some of their other tricks could lead to cheaper units and more movement in market
N5 will let them nearly double transistor count, and increase clockspeeds at similar levels of power draw, they could deliver another 80 - 100%+ performance jump with rdna3 on N5, they can't do much of squat on N6
N5's bump over N7 node types is only around 15-30%
they're going for a similar strategy with radeon now as they had with zen, that being massive, massive shifts in performance every cycle, and consistent delivery on their roadmap to disrupt the state of the market. Lisa Su even flat out said that rdna2 was their zen moment for gpus, and they would do to nvidia with it what zen has done to intel
they could squeeze more power into GPU with other methods that don't rely on the fab
bus, memory clocks and memory bandwidth, core frequency
15% speed improvement or a 30% reduction in power consumption, but you forgot to mention the 1.8x density increase, and no decrease to the reticle limit which means they can ship something with 80% more transistors in roughly the same die area as N7
TSMC stated it was a tradeoff
15% increase in speed OR 30% lower power draw
that's correct, and that's how its always stated for each new node. what isn't stated is the density increase, which is 1.8x
the density increase is stated
meaning a chip with 10 billion transistors on 7nm could be 18 billion on 5nm at the same die size
die size is the major limiting factor for just how wide your designs can be. rdna3 could be twice as fast as rdna2, just like rdna2 is more than twice as fast as rdna1. but they aren't going to accomplish anywhere close to that sticking with 7nm again, or moving to N6
realistically they could, provided they shifted more R&D over to their GPU end
or hired more
they aren't going to get another 700mhz clockspeed out of the node like rdna2 seems to have pulled off vs rdna1. and they can't double shader count again, the chip would be too large to manufacture. there's not going to be too many more ways to increase performance all that dramatically, so they need a shrink
could you imagine the reaction of the internet if they ship a 3ghz gpu though? but yeah, not really all that likely. already at the 2.6ghz turbos the strix seems to be shipping with, that's insane enough
I mean, it's not just GHz that matters realistically the bus is equally important
more memory bandwidth isn't neccesarily the answer either. amd gpus for a decade had twice the bandwidth of their nvidia counterparts and still barely managed to keep up for most of the gcn era
surreal moss
1nm wen
calm crescent
hi
surreal moss
Hello
calm crescent
:}
rigid marsh
Hello
full flint
they tried the massive 512 bit bus GDDR designs, and the massive hbm bandwidth designs, they failed. rdna2 seems to have a meager 256 bit bus, and they've slapped a big ol honkin pool of cache onto the gpus instead, and it appears from early data to have seriously paid off. still, moar bus width isn't feasible, you can't do a 512 bit gddr6 bus due to the signal integrity requirements of the ram and how many pcb layers you would need for that. and whacktons of hbm in 4 stacks costs a bloody fortune
Bus, not bandwidth
The two are different.
Memory bandwidth is effected by the bus
AMD cards have had relatively meager bus counts
the only thing you're doing over your memory bus is reading and writing to gpu memory, how wide the bus is is irrelevant except for what kind of memory bandwidth that allows you to achieve. amd cards have had exceptionally wide bus widths for over a decade, actually. with hawaii having a 512 bit bus, and the later flagships, fiji and vega moving to 1024 bit wide hbm buses
The bus allows you to actually take advantage of the memory bandwidth available.
Something AMD had been lacking
surreal moss
Did someone say bottleneck
full flint
no, but dark thinks amd gpus have traditionally had narrow bus widths and less memory bandwidth than their nvidia counterparts of a given era
radeon VII has a 4096 bit memory bus, incase you're curious Dark, and that 1TB/s bandwidth didn't really help them in games, because gcn was hamstrung by other design limitations
surreal moss
To be fair
Nobody really cares about Radeon class stuff
Just like nobody cares about insert the name of nvidia’s equivalent that I’ve forgotten
Well.. I guess it’s all just Ampere now
I forgot
full flint
radeon vii was a gaming gpu, not a workstation card
It was also largely considered a disappointment
for gaming, yes, for anyone doing any compute work? it was the second coming
surreal moss
The Radeon vii was. But Radeon is the name of an entire class of workstation oriented products
full flint
but yeah, 4096 bit memory bus didn't help it for gaming, Dark
surreal moss
The Radeon vii was a wierd cutback tailored for gaming
full flint
no, radeon is the name of their gaming gpus. firepro are the name of their workstation cards
firepro were discontinued a long time ago
ah, now rebranded radeon pro https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/radeon-pro-wx-5100
surreal moss
The hell is a FirePro
full flint
radeon pro are workstation, radeon are just gaming cards. their upcoming gpus are the Radeon RX6000 series, for example
full flint
amd gaming cards have been radeon since before amd owned ati in the first place 😛
the titan is technically a gaming card as well, because it doesn't have validated pro drivers and has no ecc memory
quadro are nvidia's workstation line
it doesn't matter what the intended purposes are, only of what the consumer perceives
technically the titan aren't a gaming nor a workstation card
surreal moss
I’ve never owned an AMD GPU. Their reliability is about as good as a dad that never came back from grabbing milk
full flint
they're an enthusiast and content-creator card
the R9 chips were alright
but they could get toasty
surreal moss
They make the titans for “gaming” but they’re not really for gaming
full flint
they're not really for work either, since they have crippled FP64, a lack of error correction, and drivers you can't validate against meaning professional software companies wont offer you any kind of support at all
surreal moss
The only legitimate “gaming” usage is game design. Pop open any Microsoft pc in Redmond that hasn’t been upgraded in a few years and it’s probably got a Titan xp in it
I’ve seen a few already
full flint
for any of that you have to get a quadro card, and pay even more money
the titan cards have always been in a bit of a weird no man's land where they make no sense for gamers and make no sense for serious professional use-cases either
surreal moss
In terms of products, sure
But they’re still popular for work despite what you think.
full flint
people use geforce cards for work too, doesn't mean that's neccesarily a smart choice if your work is particularly critical
surreal moss
Employers won’t buy you a $5k quadro. But a $2000 Titan seems more enticing in comparison when the one with the wallet is making the choices. But again, this is why I clarified “haven’t been upgraded in a few years”. The push for computing bandwidth to handle 4k gaming has pretty much pushed gaming cards into the workplace.
Titan x and xp were the last ones I really saw being put in PCs for work
full flint
workstation cards are only used for massive throughput
that's true, but gaming cards have always seemed to pop up in places they don't really fit. used to be in the really old days companies would buy geforce 3 and 4 cards and soft mod them into quadros instead of paying 5x as much, before nvidia closed that little trick in their drivers
which is only needed in the research, or the CGI field
game design can very happily sit on Titans due to their gaming performance as well as work performance on 3D handling
full flint
just get the rack
1,000,000
DGX A100 is a meme tier product only a handful of companies can afford
cut down on your server farm
surreal moss
It’s not meant for companies lol
It’s meant for super computers within education and government institutions
full flint
the primary use-case for that is companies using racks full of them to train AI models
A100's biggest performance gain was in tensorflow, over last gen
surreal moss
Tbh I don’t really care about a100 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
full flint
also, i love how people think nvidia can decide to ship a gpu that big for gaming if they need to. A100 is so big, and yields are so poor that they had to disable 40% of it to ship them in ultra low volume $100k machines, and even with 40% of it turned off its a 400w chip. aint no way they'll ever be desperate enough to try to ship that as a geforce card
surreal moss
I think you misunderstood what they were saying
With ampere being their first all-in-one architecture, they’re not limited to the full Titan die like they’ve always been
They can easily go “you know what... 36gb 3090. AMD go to hell”
full flint
of course they're not, but they're not shipping a 128SM part when the 82SM 3090 has approximately 30% yields and they can already only ship like, 11 and a half of them a month, plus im not sure you could even manufacture it at samsung in the first place, and they already had to disable 20SMs and clock it down to 1400mhz to get yields up on tsmc n7 and keep power draw down to only 400w
surreal moss
Sir idk what you’re saying
full flint
the A100 gpu they're putting in 100 thousand dollar machines... is a severely cut chip, they cant even ship the full chip in hundred thousand dollar parts, they had to disable a huge chunk of it for yields. and it clocks like crap and is still 400 watts despite that
what i'm saying is, while they might not be limited to using the GA102 die, and could infact make something bigger in theory. they already can't ship any GA102 based parts, something bigger would only have more power draw and even worse yields
idle knoll
worldly ravine
ruby grove
anyone know how to fix constant connecting on partys on Xbox Game DVR on pc?
full flint
quiet swallow
I stopped watching Jayz a little while ago. He gets a bit unhinged on his social media accounts occasionally
full flint
I mean...who doesn't
quiet swallow
"Occasionally" as in a lot more than the average tech e-celeb. Just comes off as unprofessional at times is all I'm saying 🤷🏼♀️
surreal moss
He uses it personally. Very different from most people who just only use it to promote content
It’s not supposed to be top tier professional for him
quiet swallow
Yeah that's true I suppose. Guess I got kinda tired of his style
covert jetty
inner rampart
no
solid knot
hello?
anybody around? i need help syncing up a xbox one controller to my PC via bluetooth
full flint
power the controller on with the xbox/guide button, then press and hold the little sync button on the top for 2 seconds, then click add device in the bluetooth devices section in windows 10 @solid knot
@pale verge
pale verge
why is my name rule 4?
thorny cypress
empty ruin
Hi, i'm trying to install microsoft flight simulator on my windows pc, but it's keep saying insert disc when i enter the game. I think i got the wrong edition but which one is the right. I got a kids account on xbox and my dad owns the gamepass ultimate. I can install other games from microsoft store but not microsoft flight simulator. I have tried to insall from the xbox app on pc but there it says i need to get gamepass ultimate. The xbox app has never worked for me.
dark trail
hay can i play xbox screen on my laptop?
autumn sluice
Ok so on pc your father is the one who would have to sign into the Microsoft store and do the download for you
Yes u can devil
Xbox console companion app
dark trail
Xbox console companion app
@autumn sluice
how can i download that
autumn sluice
U using Windows 10?
dark trail
yes
autumn sluice
Microsoft store
dark trail
yes i have it
dark trail
@autumn sluice can you help me
autumn sluice
Xbox console companion
dark trail
yes i know
microsoft store just stop when i try to download it
damt i cant send pic
i should ask you is that will make my pc work bad?
tender bloom
my laptop has a 2070 super and an i7 6 core and is scoring well in timespy (8600) and cinebench (3200), but underperforming in some games (less than 200 fps in league and valorant). anyone know why?
surreal moss
Benchmarking and gaming are two very different usage scenarios
Overall performance cannot be judged based off of one or the other
tender bloom
yeah, but some games meet the expected performance (witcher 3 runs at 90 fps and fortnite runs at 140 fps) but some dont (valorant and league run at 170 fps, watch dogs 2 runs at 60fps)
idk why game performance varies so much
tender bloom
yeah, i know that
i meant that some games are meeting their respective performance for my current hardware while some are not
tender bloom
2070 super mobile with 8 GB DDR6, i7 10750H, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1 TB NMVE SSD
yeesh thats a lot of caps
surreal moss
It looks like you’re getting the FPS you should
All depends on how you run the games as well
If you see a dude getting 200+ in Fortnite, he’s playing on low
tender bloom
yeah, I don't expect to get 200+ in fortnite on epic settings
i just thought 60 fps in watch dogs 2 and 170 in league and valorant seemed kinda low, despite running on max settings
surreal moss
Well you’re running them on max lol
tender bloom
ik but i thought they were supposed to benchmark higher on the 2070 super
regardless, if its running how it should, idc- its (very) playable how it is
tender bloom
again, ik but my benchmarks arent always meeting the benchmarks for the 2070 super
and sheesh, if the 2070 super is mid range, im happy i didnt get a 2060
tender bloom
yeah, i guess its mid range in total gaming pc range
but its high end for laptops (i hope)
surreal moss
It’s pretty good for a laptop
tender bloom
anyway, if my laptop is meeting expectations, im fine
i just dont want it to underperform
sharp orbit
anyone know why i just cant join partys at all on the xbox app on pc? or even invite anyone or start one
i cant even download the original console companion
dark trail
i can't send pics why?
surreal moss
Because you don’t have that permission
surreal moss
You have to become verified to get that permission.
dark trail
how can i verified
surreal moss
It’s in the rules
surreal moss
You change your Xbox settings on the Xbox
dark trail
but i ask can i do it on pc?
surreal moss
I don’t know
dark trail
sad
full flint
how come we can no longer share clips from pc to xbox?
dark trail
🤔
ruby spear
Don't bring drama from other servers here, please.
ruby spear
We're not going to provide contact information for other mods so you can bother them via DM.
full flint
I'm not gonna bother, the mods are for helping, I'm just gonna ask
because I don't know why I'm banned
nevermind
dusty vector
Nobody here knows anything about how that server is managed.
quiet swallow
kek
smoky flame
getting closer to that AMD event 👀
full flint
Nothing can defeat Nvidia
obtuse hare
ho need xbox pass 3mount
woeful bone
Sup dudes
smoky flame
maybe not on performance but pricing Nvidia can be beat. They are just like Intel. Premium prices for sometimes minimal gains. I have a feeling if AMD upcoming reveal isn't more powerful than what Nvidia have it will be at least cheaper, with similar performance. Like how it always tends to be. So AMD's equivalent to the 3080 could end up being £50-100 cheaper, same with the 3070 equivalent and that "halo product" tier, if AMD are really going to launch such a card, factoring in the potential their 3080 equivalent may be up to £100 cheaper could be way cheaper than the 3090 - Again, all while offering competitive performance. I'd just love AMD to do that!
hey
full flint
Think this belongs here
https://twitter.com/AMD/status/1321038987964878849?s=19
Twitter
smoky flame
funny thing about that chart is the fact it is the 5900X, a 12 core CPU, that to my understanding not many gamers will actually need. Unless they do more than just game. The 5600X would be plenty for the gamer out there. Gains should still be similar across the whole Zen 3 line up and if you factor in resolutions higher than 1080p any gap the CPUs with the higher core counts may have had starts to fall
1080p at this time favours Intel but as soon as you go 1440p or 4K these cheaper Ryzen (Zen 2) CPUs can catch up
tender bloom
how do you know if a cpu bottlenecks a gpu?
smoky flame
to put it somewhat simply when a GPU throws too many frames at a CPU to which the CPU cannot keep up and falls behind. Seeing it happen I think can be difficult but generally it can mean anything from lower than expected framerates in certain games, system slowdowns or a stuttery mess that renders that game (or games) unplayable
Hope I explained that well 😅
tender bloom
yeah thanks, was just wondering
i have seen that term thrown around a lot
smoky flame
it gets thrown around a little too much I think. Most times a bottleneck won't be that drastic. Less than a 10% bottleneck is considered minor I believe. Anything over that 10% may be the difference between playable and upgrade time but I think you'd need quite a contrast in CPU and GPU to see that play out. Something like a Pentium and a 3080 for example
tender bloom
would a common laptop cpu like an i7 10750H bottleneck a higher-end laptop gpu like a 2070 super?
full flint
I wouldn't think so
full flint
forgot the embargo lift was today
https://youtu.be/3XaOeLPztN4
inland monolith
Is the motherboard flexible i remember my first build it was Scary when I tried to install my gpu I even heard some dust sounds u know when u go the Beach and u fall and then u will be eating sand 🤣 thats the sound that i was hearing when i was installing the gpu and the ram
full flint
Hardware canucks also tested on a i7 7700k
https://youtu.be/knPHhzEdpeo
hollow zodiac
Nice
azure flicker
I've gotten assassin's creed Valhalla through AMD rewards for ordering the cpu a while back. Can I get the ultimate items separately?
full flint
yes, you can buy the deluxe upgrade for $10, and the season pass for $30 or 40 or whatever it is, and that gives you all of the items the ultimate edition would have
or you can just sub to ubisoft+ and you'll get access to all of it
green mica
lmao I joined @full flint
full flint
Thanks
green mica
Dang I cant see any question's lol
How is it that im in 6th place and I cant see any questions XD
XD
full flint
@granite storm Keep it in the LFG channel.
viral sage
Pc gaming is better than console gaming?
full flint
PC gaming is more high-performance than console gaming. if you have the cash to dump into it
viral sage
Ok
calm juniper
Im about to get my PC and want to know I will be able to play all of my owned xbox games on it?
ruby spear
No
Xbox games are playable on Xbox. PC games are played on PC.
If any of them are Play Anywhere, then you can play them on PC, but for the rest you would need to buy the PC equivalent.
clear kettle
hello can i get some help pleaseeeeee i got a code but it asked me for credit card which i dont have it right now
analog sapphire
ask your parents