That performance hit is crazy without ray tracing
#pc-gaming
smoky flame
Here I thought getting 30 FPS at 1080p playing Metro Exodus with RTX enabled on a 1080 Ti was bad. Sure can't wait to see what RTX enabled would do for Star Citizen. 40 series probably wouldn't even be enough for it. Got a feeling this game is going to be in development for a very long time still
surreal moss
New cards will handle it fine
full flint
yeah. ray-tracing's a focus that the point that newer cards dedicate portions to handling it
I mean it could be Yandere Simulator
HAH
10fps
Quadro RTX 8000
surreal moss
The whole 100 FPS non-rtx 25 FPS rtx isn’t gonna be a thing anymore
full flint
You serious? Is it THAT bad optimized?
no, but might as well be
someone else will start from scratch, develop, delay, and then finish the game before YandereDev finishes it
(that's already happened)
the if-else of exodia
it's really relaxing when you don't want to do anything
I actually died in that second clip
cause my ship imploded
smoky flame
XLR8, I sure hope not if the $2000 price tag turns out to be true. If I buy that GPU I'd be expecting flawless 4K performance both with and without RTX enabled. 60+ FPS, maxed settings. Even dropping below 60 FPS with such a GPU should be unacceptable. 4K and RTX or not
full flint
debated falling into the atmosphere though
example though.
the second clip was also managed to get running on a 3gb 1060
the others are on different GPUs
smoky flame
Nvidia should slap a "performance guarantee" if they dare to that, for the duration of the 30 series generation that $2000 GPU will maintain over 60 FPS at 4K both with and without RTX and won't be refreshed at any time (3090 Super). $2000 is ridiculous money for a gaming GPU. Last thing anyone with something that expensive wants is a refreshed version with a cheaper cost and more performance to release later on. GPU generation seems to be around 2-3 years so surely such a guarantee shouldn't be too difficult
smoky flame
$1400 is a lot less but still quite high. Would have liked it to keep the $999 price and maybe go begin to lower from next gen. AMD joining the ray tracing game should hopefully see that Nvidia have to get competitive with their pricing and Intel joining later on should make thing interesting
smoky flame
in other words that $1400 price tag could end up being a starting point with the usual premium 3rd party coolers marking up their prices way more
full flint
there's only 2 2080Ti that are more...
at least from the actual outlets, resales don't count
usually the FE are the more expensive models
smoky flame
I'm sure there was more than two. ASUS Strix is usually premium. Same as EVGA FTW
full flint
ASUS STRIX is a ripoff
smoky flame
going to check the pricing here in the UK. 2080 Ti FE vs 3rd party. One second
ok, so FE is £1149
full flint
also, you just named the two that I was referring to
all of the others launched at a cheaper cost iirc. XLR8 might be able to say more if he's seen any higher
smoky flame
full flint
these aren't launch pricings
this specifically was the most expensive one
at $1400
er. 1500
1499.99
smoky flame
even worse, these prices have hardly budged like two years on or whatever since the 2080 Ti launched... That's what really bothers me
smoky flame
I really hope AMD join the ray tracing game with an almighty entrance. Bad drivers or not. If they can outprice Nvidia, even if performance isn't matching Nvidia's highest end I could see a lot of people going AMD. Lets say $699 on AMD's side for their top GPU vs $1400 on Nvidia. If performance isn't fitting of the double price tag why would anyone even look at the far more expensive card? I certainly wouldn't, even if I had the money just floating around ready to be spent
full flint
AMD's top gpu won't be 700
their current "top" is a mid-range card
I could see it being around 800-900
smoky flame
$699 was their Radeon VII's price though so I used that for some reference
full flint
you have to think, AMD's also beefing up the specs
as well as adding RT-capable cores
it's going to be more expensive
all around
smoky flame
AMD will want this to be accessible to as many people as possible though. Lower price tag = more sales. They know that with console sales by now
sold at a loss I often hear
full flint
being significantly cheaper than a 1400 card by almost double isn't exactly out of their realm
microsoft and sony boot the cost of console's sales
as they foot the cost on R&D with AMD
smoky flame
either way I'm looking forward to this and can't wait for all the rumours to end. At least for another generation of cards 😄
full flint
there's always going to be rumors
smoky flame
yeah but at least when specs are officially announced it kills any future rumours, at least on those GPUs. People can finally see something physical
Regardless of how both AMD and Nvidia do with their releases I will probably go AMD anyhow. Nvidia will need to really impress if they want me to part with over £1000 on a top end GPU. I could always go lower end but why should I? I got into PC gaming going near to the top end twice. 980 Ti and 1080 Ti. Only the 2080 Ti has pushed me back and I've even had the chance to try AMD
out of the 5700 XT and 2080 Ti I'd remain with the 5700 XT. Paid £389.99 for it. Similar performance to a 1080 Ti and 2070 Super but the real magic is when one enables RTX in supported titles on their Nvidia GPU. The whole thing that makes RTX 20 series so special not even the 2080 Ti, that costs 3 times more can keep up when RTX is enabled in supported titles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xvzm9rAYoY DLSS 2.0 might save 2080 Ti owners somewhat but that is just embarrassing imo
full flint
that's because RT was in its infancy
look at per-pixel shaders when those were introduced
the card ran absolutely horribly
the card immediately after blew away anything anyone had seen prior
surreal moss
Late but the only ones with a higher price are due to better bins
So it’s warranted
If you’re getting an air cooled 2080ti with a 1700-1800mhz boost out of the box, you’re going to pay extra
smoky flame
do you mean the ones that are overclocked? if so, sure the higher binning may well warrant a higher price but some games these days, for whatever reason really don't play nice with hardware that isn't stock so these higher clocked GPUs and the extra premium they cost can't really be made any use of
surreal moss
You’ll always have games that aren’t built well
That’s not the card’s fault
That’s poor dev
dusky harness
Recommendation - use one larger nvme m.2 drive [or ] one smaller nvme m.2 for OS and sata SSD for games
surreal moss
Sata SSDs are pretty much invalid now
You can get a 500gb m.2 for $50 and it’ll be 4x as fast as a sata for the same size and cost
dusky harness
my problem is my MB second m.2 slot shares pcie lanes with the GPU so itll cut my GPU to x8 if i use it
surreal moss
Well that just means you bought a cheap mobo lol
That’s one of the ways they make cheap motherboards. They downgrade lanes to the previous generation and cut some out entirely
Like the A520 just came out for $80 and it’s all pcie 3 with next to no spare lanes
dusky harness
i got the B450 because my options were limited at the time... i got mITX and everything was out of stock
so i have two options... one big nmve or a smaller nvme + SSD
surreal moss
Mitx are meant for one GPU, 2 ram, one storage device
That’s the whole part of being compact
runic star
i wish i had a pc 😭
full flint
Now that's how you play games lol
runic star
lmao
cedar smelt
I'm still holding off for now on getting a new PC but when I do I had considered a 5700 XT. Now I've heard reports that it gets crazy hot, and I don't think I want that. Does the 5700 regular also get that hot?
smoky flame
5700 XT gets hot? Where are you hearing this?
I have set a custom fan curve on my 5700 XT, likely doesn't need what I'm using but temperatures hardly exceed 70C and that's playing a game like The Division 2 at 1440p and maxed settings. Red Devil model btw
Just avoid blower style coolers and you should be fine
cedar smelt
On another server, my friend is telling me that she gets horribly scary temps in Borderlands 3.
She exited the game when it peaked over 190F.
smoky flame
190F is about 87C so that's not bad. Not great though. Pretty sure I read somewhere these AMD GPUs can operate at temperatures of up to 110C before shutting off
cedar smelt
What is meant by a "blower" cooler, so I can avoid one myself? Is that just any air cooler? I wasn't planning on water, but...
smoky flame
https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/zotac-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-blower this design is blower style. Generally the cheapest and for obvious reason. Cooling tends to be poor
cedar smelt
Ooh OK. Yeah I always avoid those, it seems like the extra enclosure compared with more open designs is gonna build more heat?
Also, I typically buy a two-fan GPU.
smoky flame
dual fan should be fine with the 5700 XT. Temperatures should be lower than that of their blower style cards. Just be sure to set a custom fan curve if you aren't too happy with the default
cedar smelt
Ok thanks for the pep-talk. I'm less concerned now.
smoky flame
no worries. Only owned this 5700 XT like 3 weeks myself. Complete noob to AMD but learning really fast
cedar smelt
Also hearing that it can go up to 110C without failing is... well, I still don't entirely love it, but it means that it should be OK.
I'd rather have your mid 70s temps. 😛
smoky flame
Don't quote me on that 110C figure. Something I read and it may not be entirely accurate. If it is then phew, if not forget I mentioned it
surreal moss
Borderlands 3 will make any card hot
Mines a 3 fan 2080ti and I hit in the high 70° if I don’t have my intake fans turned up
smoky flame
a custom fan curve should fix most temperature issues* Most defaults are set too soft. Pretty sure my 5700 XT Red Devil goes no higher than 50% fan speed at default. Reaches around 78C even at that but my custom one is way more aggressive. Effectively a 1:1 fan curve
surreal moss
If thermals are a huge concern just add an extra fan to the bottom of your case if it’s capable
It’ll suck air right up into the GPU and give you lower temps
smoky flame
I think a large part of my case's problem is the CPU AIO is located at the front, blowing in hotter air than it might have if it was just fans. Has me considering ditching the AIO when I go AMD for my CPU
surreal moss
Mount it on the top
smoky flame
not sure I'll have the space for it up top
surreal moss
Buy a new case
smoky flame
meh, I want to be saving money where I can, not spending even more
surreal moss
Top mounted yields cooler GPU, front mounted yields cooler cpu. Should mount based on whatever needs cooler more
cedar smelt
Sucks, I dunno if I was interested in BL3, but I know I don't wanna roast my hardware.
surreal moss
I have it top mounted in my gaming pc since it’s GPU focused and front mounted on my other since it’s cpu focused
The difference is negligible btw
Less that 5°C
smoky flame
Case I have is decent. AIO can go as I deem it surplus, excessive. I feel it was one of the mistakes I made making my first build and it will be corrected when I go AMD. Air cooling should be enough. Liquid cooling is premium
surreal moss
You should keep it and just get a new case that allows you to top mount
If you think you’re gonna get away with a stock cooler you’re wrong
Unless you plan on running everything at stock speeds
smoky flame
if I have to I will get either the dark rock pro 4 or D15 noctua but I have been told even they won't be necessary for cooling a ryzen CPU
cedar smelt
Do top-mounted fans really do much for GPU when GPU fans always point down?
cedar smelt
It seems like you'd get more out of air blowing towards the front of the card than the back.
My current case has a top mount 120mm anyway.
smoky flame
and yeah, I plan to run everything but ram as close to stock where possible
surreal moss
If you try anything harder than stock, your cooler won’t be able to keep up with anything sustained boost and your pc will shut down
Not even joking
high fern
Hello
full flint
hold on..did you just say 87C isn't bad? That's borderline topped out
cedar smelt
Stock GPU cooler, we're talking about?
surreal moss
Cpu
cedar smelt
Ahhhhhh.
Cause people don't normally change the cooler on their card, I thought.
So was confused.
smoky flame
pretty sure the 5700 XT can go higher, Dark
surreal moss
Can? Yes.
Without beginning the throttle curve? No.
cedar smelt
Now because I'm a wuss I generally have no more than the most modest OC if even that.
But I do like to keep temperatures reasonable.
smoky flame
Tell that to my old 1080 Ti FE that had no problem wanting to reach 90C where now I hardly pass 70C in the same game lol
surreal moss
If it’s any higher, you are not sufficiently cooling it
cedar smelt
It just makes me feel better about longevity.
surreal moss
99% of cards on the market will shut down for protection at 90-95
So you’re literally playing on hells gate at 87
smoky flame
what was I reading then of the 5700 XT's specs that allows for up to 110-115C?
cedar smelt
You think a twin-fan non-blower design can keep the 5700XT chillier than that in a case with reasonable airlflow, then?
surreal moss
That’s just the spec they give you that’s the absolute limit
full flint
if you hit that, your card will die
cedar smelt
Cause honestly I'd rather go with a less powerful card that I can adequately cool.
Than one which is constantly gonna be toasting itself.
surreal moss
That’s like this is as hot as we could physically make it in a lab before it melted
smoky flame
dual fan should be ok
surreal moss
Easiest way to cool a card is by investing in better case fans
full flint
I have an open design and mine never goes above 73-75C
surreal moss
Not the fan curve
full flint
I'll close a game before it gets to 80C
surreal moss
Increasing fan curve just creates negative pressure around the GPU and is a bandaid to the issue of your case probably being constricted
cedar smelt
Got any recs for a moderate price case which is easy to cool and easy to cable manage? I don't really have any "must have" requirements beyond that, though glass panels are nice.
surreal moss
I have a default fan curve that tops out at 55% and my GPU never hits 80 regardless of game
cedar smelt
My old case is... well... old.
high fern
My old GPU go 98c GTX 1050 ti and i buy a nother gpu
surreal moss
Don’t buy anything with a panel in the front
You want air to go straight in through a filter
high fern
Rtx 2080 ti
cedar smelt
So all those ones with the three RGB fans behind glass are not so good?
smoky flame
How would you rate the case I have? Corsair 400C (discontinued now I believe)
surreal moss
All that intake and exhaust is being forced through slots on the sides of the top and front panels
Here’s a case you should buy
cedar smelt
Not to be a total old man, but wow people don't have anything on the front panel now? No drive bays, no USB?
full flint
I wouldn't say that
front panels don't usually obstruct the fans unless it's bad design
cedar smelt
Can you give me a model name for that, I kinda like that one? I know I'm gonna look it up and find it costs twice my intended spend but hey let me drool over it.
surreal moss
Only exception is when the gap is large and unobstructed like with a lot of fancy glass cases
For example
The big boy
smoky flame
1000D?
surreal moss
Yes
The gap is a solid inch off the fans and has unobstructed clearance
Vs this
smoky flame
I wonder how air cooling alone in such a case is. All the space must surely make for a bit of a nightmare for air pressure etc
surreal moss
You’re just creating a high pressure intake system which reduces dust but increases temps and noise
smoky flame
keep in mind this hasn't changed since 2016
ideally would like it to remain, at least for one more rebuild
surreal moss
Smaller the case worse the airflow
smoky flame
Plenty of space and as far as I can tell airflow seems decent though not ideal with how I currently have things set up
surreal moss
That’s a small case boy
smoky flame
small case? it has lots of space though...
full flint
just cause you can stick your hand in there and wiggle it around doesn't inherently make it plenty
surreal moss
No bottom fan support either
full flint
I'm gonna jog off to the shower. have fun
smoky flame
let me guess a case of good airflow spec costs double what mine did?
surreal moss
No not necessarily
full flint
could have a non-compact
and been fine
unless you're watercooling, avoid compact cases
smoky flame
I'd rather not spend on a case. Bad enough you guys have me on edge about my PSU from before. Between a new case and PSU That will likely be in excess of £200 I'm not accounting for that I have to spend throwing ideas off left right and center
full flint
that's usually how PC goes
if you don't go over on the parts that you upgrade the least
you'll end up having to upgrade them sooner
smoky flame
650w was enough for so long. What on earth happened to all this talk of power efficiency?
cedar smelt
I feel like I've selected my next case.
full flint
650w was never enough
surreal moss
The talk was 100% true
full flint
650 was budget, always budget
surreal moss
But so was everything getting smaller
cedar smelt
650W was never enough? How far back does your never go? People told me I overspecced on PSU with my last build.
surreal moss
If you have a cpu with 4 core and it uses 100w, then as time goes on you can now make cores at 25% the size and they only use 25% of the power for the same performance, guess what? You’re gonna cram 4x the cores in so now you have a 16 core at 100w
full flint
750W has been a recommended for over 10 years now
surreal moss
Same deal with the rtx 3000s coming out
The diodes are smaller and more efficient, so they’re just cramming more in the cards
cedar smelt
IDK I kinda feel like every build I've ever had was budget by these standards.
I guess I've just grown used to modest hardware.
full flint
PSU is the one thing I'd never skimp on
surreal moss
I love when people are like my friend used a bronze and he was fine I don’t need a gold
cedar smelt
I definitely didn't skimp, read tons of information before selecting, went for a Gold certified efficiency one.
smoky flame
yet again another issue from 2016 I seem to have to correct then. What I thought was a decent build isn't looking as good now as I thought. Has lasted me 4 years no bother though so things must have been alright
full flint
Gold will last longer, but you'll still have wattage loss over time
cedar smelt
But still my systems draw very limited power compared to the bleeding edge.
full flint
just because you have a larger PSU doesn't mean it's going to pull more power
surreal moss
Gonna be fun buying a new psu for this 12 pin 3090
full flint
it just gives the system more total capacity to pull from if necessary
surreal moss
And usually a higher power delivery before the fan kicks in
full flint
https://www.tested.com/tech/pcs/1159-picking-the-right-power-supplyhow-much-is-too-much/ I'd linked this before, and I'll link it again
"sweet spot" of power consumption is between 60 and 85 percent of your power supply's maximum rating; if your system's maximum power consumption is 450 watts, you should get at least a 550W power supply. If your system's maximum power consumption is 600 watts, you should get at least a 750W power supply. Calculating your system's potential max load isn't difficult--most component websites show you how many watts their parts will need on a full load (eg. max TDP for CPUs and GPUs).
smoky flame
I'm not touching the 3090. About 80% made my mind up that I'm switching over to AMD regardless. I can put up with the bad drivers. They improve. Prices seemingly don't though with Nvidia
surreal moss
Some plats and titaniums can go like 500w without cooling, or even have settings to just run without a fan completely
cedar smelt
Hmm, using a PSU calc and pushing all the numbers beyond reality my current system draws 557W
surreal moss
I just stuck 850 golds in both of mine
Don’t have to worry about anything then
For now
full flint
so a 650W would be fine....for that setup....but if you planned to upgrade, you'd need to go 750-800W
which is why I always recommend a 750 to start out now
cedar smelt
Well, I usually build new rather than significantly upgrade.
Because I wait long enough that tech has passed by the old stuff.
full flint
then you, personally, have nothing to worry about
since you'll always refresh the hardware suite
cedar smelt
I can't do a thing with my current system other than build new, sadly.
smoky flame
how's the power consumption on something like the 3600 vs a 6700K? Intel being notrious for not showing the actual figure I have always questioned the 91w rating they gave it. 65w on the 3600 also sounds too good to be true but if it is I'm actually lowering power consumption somewhat
full flint
Ryzen 3600?
smoky flame
yeah
surreal moss
It’s not that they’re not telling you the actual, they just don’t include the peak boost amounts
Like my 8700k will scarf down 250w for a few moments if it’s under super heavy use. It’s all stuff you can calibarate from the mobo
full flint
alright. shower time. I'll peruse what I missed when I get back
surreal moss
It’s just so it can sustain super high boost clocks under load
cedar smelt
Pfft computer hardware. Love it and hate it.
surreal moss
Here’s the kicker
AMD doesn’t do this
That’s why you get occasionally stutters and bottlenecks
Big load hits, voltage can’t adjust enough, core speed drops, rip your frames
smoky flame
Slowly beginning to feel the same way, Soluzar
surreal moss
But you see the problem if they’re like yeah this chip uses up to 250w
People are gonna be like wtf
cedar smelt
So does that mean that you, personally, would not rec Ryzens to to people, XLR8?
If you don't like me putting you on the spot, it's cool to not answer.
smoky flame
Intel 10th gen goes mad with power consumption iirc
surreal moss
I always use ryzens when building PCs for people because if I’m building it, that means they’re not educated enough to know why it’s worth spending extra money on stuff
cedar smelt
Haha good answer.
surreal moss
So I just give them the usual 3600xt or 3700x and pair it with a 2070 super and call it a day
cedar smelt
I'm only educated enough to know how much I don't know.
I have pretty modest gaming needs, but I do want a system that can fulfil them for the next few years.
Since as of my most recent choice of game, the old build cannot.
smoky flame
I used to keep myself pretty well informed on this stuff but idk. Past couple of years I feel information comes and goes with certain communities
surreal moss
Wait till the fall and build a new system
cedar smelt
I run 'behind the times' by quite a long way though. The 'new game' I wanna play is 2016.
surreal moss
Oh I forget which one of you needed a new psu but the thermaltake grand rgb 750w gold fully modular atx is like $115 right now
Just put one in a build the other day
smoky flame
maybe what I need to do is stop following the more enthusiast trends and simply accept I can no longer keep up with it both in terms of cost and news
smoky flame
what is considered below the enthusiast end? High end? Mid tier?
full flint
high
smoky flame
hmm, well as long as I can avoid low end and stick to mid-high end I think I will remain happy with PC gaming. Not in the position to be spending over £1000 on a GPU so that currently excludes the likes of Nvidia's 2080 Ti and Titan RTX. Slowly coming to my senses and yeah, I may not be able to afford the very best but it isn't bothering me like it might have back when the 1080 Ti launched
full flint
I'm still betting that AMD's high end (when they finally release it) will be around $1000
smoky flame
I'm hoping it is much lower. Would be out of character for AMD to launch a GPU so expensive. Most I'd say is 799. AMD want to be competitive? that sort of price should allow them to be just that. Any more and it opens the door for nvidia
surreal moss
I got $1500 sitting for ampere
Well $1500.02. Thank you bank interest.
Other way around for AMD pricing
If they don’t go into the $1000 realm with something flagship, nvidia will be uncontested
If they release a 3080 equivalent for the same price as the flagship, nvidia wins top end again, AMD has the usual middle ground contest
full flint
AMD prices their cards based on NVIDIA
if NVIDIA drops their top end at 1200, then we get what we got with the mid-end on AMD with the 5700xt
a higher end would be a lot closer to NVIDIA's top end
they both still have to pull the same resources to build their cards after all
and a majority of the cost is the die, and the memory
both of which are manufactured in the same places, more or less
that's why the 5700xt was closer to the 2070 in (rasterization) performance and cost
that'd scale up with a flagship/high-end
so I'm expecting very much an AMD flagship to be 800-900 if NVIDIA's flagship is $1400
provided AMD actually releases a flagship..which they honestly need to
smoky flame
Seems I just can't win. I will continue to hope AMDs prices remain below $1000 otherwise it is just going to get harder for people to afford these things. Times like these, as I pointed to ealier I bet most 2080 Ti buyers are not looking forward to the prospect of an even more expenaive GPU. These same buyers pretty much told Nvidia, with their wallets that it is ok to up the price of these GPUs by nearly double
full flint
costs in general are going to go up
both AMD and NVIDIA are fighting between a shared pool of resources
but that fight also includes Sony and MS
smoky flame
they weren't going up much before Turing
full flint
turing did also have a lot of extra silicon
Real-time Ray-tracing does that
even if it did perform poorly
now we're getting the same, but improved tech, larger amounts of cores to handle it
yeah, that's going to increase cost
and AMD's entering with RDNA2.0 which is RT capable as well
smoky flame
heh so in a few generations prices should fall rather than continue rising?
full flint
depends on how long those generations are
7-10 years? sure
3-5 is when it'll start declining slowly
this is a trend that happens every single time new tech is introduced
smoky flame
I should have know to expect this stuff from Nvidia sooner tbh. I mean, look at the now dead G-Sync module. Always adding Nvidia tax on top of the price of monitors
smoky flame
they are as good as dead. Most Freesync monitors allow for G Sync Compatible support. Why would anyone pay the stupid premium attached to any G Sync certified, or worse yet G Sync Ultimate monitor? When there are far more affordable options that will offer much the same experience?
full flint
Gsync performs a lot better than freesync
AMD's tech is open, NVIDIA's is performant
that's been the case, and as it stands now will always be the case
NVIDIA doesn't have multiple sectors to focus on, and is larger than AMD
AMD has CPU and GPU to focus on, and is smaller.
now if AMD can increase the total capital and increase the size of their multiple sectors, then they'll be a competition for NVIDIA
even back when they were still ATI
NVIDIA was always more performant
smoky flame
Nvidia's gsync may well be better but when my old monitor remains at the same price as what I paid for it roughly 4 years ago and offers some really poor specs compared to what I have now I just can't look at nvidia the same way I used to
£400 on the Asus PG248Q. £450 on the Samsung Odyssey G7. It is no contest this one. For a mere £50 I got so much more and yet people consider £450 a premium price tag for Freesync monitors
full flint
now compare it to old freesync
smoky flame
yeah, old freesync is cheaper as you said but honestly. The specs on the G7. I'm glad it isn't gsync certified. Probably would have cost over £900. As is I got £100 off this monitor. Early bird preorder pricing or something. Now retails for £550
I look forward to laughing at Nvidia's 360 Hz monitors and their pricing. Considering these monitors are going to be 1080p at first it won't surprise me that between the module and the 360Hz we see then sell for more than £500. That money can get so much more on Freesync
full flint
the cost of 360hz would be more than the fact it's gsync
if freesync was capable of 360hz it's be right there in cost
smoky flame
Apparently the G7 is capable of 360Hz at 1080p
smoky flame
similar bandwidth requirements are they not? 1080p 360Hz and 1440p 240Hz
smoky flame
won't DSC help? I should be able to exceed 240Hz at 1080p
full flint
no. that's not how panels work
smoky flame
Think I'm done for tonight. Need my sleep. All this though seriously has had me consider ditching Nvidia and completely ignoring them like what I do with Apple. Not something I had expected to say with how impressed I was with the 1080 Ti but hey, times change. Maybe I need to take it all in and change with it and fast
1080 Ti I will remember but Turing and beyond? Thanks but no thanks, Nvidia
full flint
price isn't really a reason to ignore a company advancing tech
just cause you can't afford a rocket, means that the company is bad for pushing space-faring?
it's fine to be complacent with what you have, but respect is still required where it is due, as is chastising
surreal moss
That’s some boomer mentality right there
smoky flame
I do respect Nvidia, at least for now. See if that changes any after 30 series is a thing. 9 days right?
surreal moss
Times are changing and you are at the whim of advancement through capitalism. Gotta keep up or get left behind
full flint
GPU markets are one of the few in tech who aren't based around planned obsolescence
gaming is a luxury'
surreal moss
You can choose to be ignorant, but don’t blame anyone else when you come into an Apple store and ask me how bluetooth works and get frustrated when you can’t understand the answer and leave
So anyway I’m going to the gym
Yee haw
full flint
I have to get back to work myself. project deadline goes live in 2 weeks -flops-
smoky flame
I just think it was a case of reality sinking in. These last 2 years have been horrible. Just want things to change, for the best but they aren't. This year has been many words I could explain but lucky there is a language filter here. The profanity I have for this year in particular ohhh! Worst part is we are still in August :( I'm legit sorry if I come across as ignorant or whatever
rigid oar
Is there an Xbox app for pc on mobile
full flint
the xbox app on mobile handles the same tasks
rigid oar
Okay
full flint
https://youtu.be/-1xu0IP35FI @smoky flame ouch
that dark-smearing on the G7
No matter how good it may be for gaming, I can't do smearing
it'd immediately kill any production use
smoky flame
well it is a VA panel and I heard as much as their contrasts are good (Better than both TN and IPS) it can suffer some issues that will put people off. IPS has the upper hand for production anyways with its better viewing angles and colour accuracy but it lacks the contrasts VA has
full flint
IPS does not have contrast issue lol
he even rated the contrast worse
contrast and color accuracy are soemthing I am a stickler on because I do art and production more than anything else
smoky flame
Must have been a poor model. Rtings measured their G7 and got a contrast ratio hitting nearly 4000:1 Most of the IPS panels on their site are lucky to get past 1500:1
full flint
depends on the monitor
there's black smearing on it
that's going to impact the true contrast performance when doing production work
peak white and peak black are good and all but if you're having smudged edges the point is moot
smoky flame
Me and trusting YouTube reviewers has taken a huge hit as of late. Can't trust these YouTube reviewers and any mention of them having to return whatever they review instantly has me assume cherry picker reviewer model. Rtings is store bought so I feel I can relate to that over LTT, who clearly got both their G7 and G9 from Samsung + sponsored
full flint
the second was not sponsored
only his initial reviews
but why would he give a poorer rating if he was sponsored if it wasn't an actual issue
It's not just him either
I'm not saying it's not a decent monitor. but I am saying is it's not the best
if you're gaming, it'll be fine
if you're doing production, you're going to have issues with accuracy
which is especially important when color grading or creating HDR profiles on a video
just like how Apple's display is really good for digital media, but has some light bleed
and doesn't quite match up to snuff to the $35k in raw HDR profiling, due to that, and thus couldn't be used on full hollywood film production
netflix series and movies? sure.
smoky flame
Yeah, that I can agree with. G7 does have some pretty big issues that I hear quite a bit of on another server I'm in but I do like it. Would I personally recommend it? No. Samsung has some QC issues they really need to sort. Other than that it is a pretty awesome monitor
full flint
but not IMAX or Theater
Hence why I'm extremely critical about panels because I both game, and do creative media. I need something that's 4k, fast, responsive, and has decent HDR and color accuracy
smoky flame
That sounds expensive
full flint
and it is
I'll probably end up spending over a grand
then I need a dual monitor setup minimum, that's double already
smoky flame
I instantly thought "That's G Sync Ultime type requirements" which will cost you closer to 2K, if not more again
fleet mason
g-sync and free-synch causes some amount of video latency right?
smoky flame
less than vsync yeah
full flint
usually no. unless you have a corrupt driver profile
gsync is basically vsync without the latency issues it has
freesync is AMD's adaptive sync
fleet mason
there's post processing of the video though
it's kinda like a true motion plus thingy but for monitors instead of tv.
full flint
n..no
smoky flame
ELMB?
fleet mason
it's not? o.O
fleet mason
hm. i have a freesynch monitor and a nvidia card, and i know recently nvidia made their cards compatible with freesync, but i feel like having freesynch on messes with my game more. i'm into competitive shooters, so i keep freesync off.
smoky flame
is this one of the compatible ones?
fleet mason
what do you mean one of the compatible ones?
full flint
Not every GPU and Monitor are compatible with each other
specific FreeSync models were stated by NVIDIA
that's for gsync
fleet mason
I believe my monitor is compatible with my card, cause when i turn on freesync, the display icon in my nvidia contorl panel shows the nvidia logo on my monitor icon.
smoky flame
what GPU you got?
fleet mason
1080ti
and my second monitor which doesn't have freesyncn or gysnch doesn't show any nvidia icon over the monitor icon
smoky flame
yeah, should be compatible then. Provided you find your monitor in one of the lists llinked
fleet mason
my monitor isn't on tha tlist
Samsung 27-Inch CJG56 144Hz Curved Gaming Monitor (LC27JG56QQNXZA) – WQHD Computer Monitor, 2560 x 1440p
That's my monitor, it only has freesync. WIth freesync on, it lowers the response time of my monitor
So i keep it off, cause i want it to be as responsive as possible.
That's why i feel like there's some post processing going on with freesync on, cause of the slower response time.
full flint
FreeSync and G-sync are not posprocessing
smoky flame
got the response time on your monitor set to Fastest? That may cause issues with overshoot etc. I Can't explain it as I don't know this stuff too well but find a video review on it and look out for the response time measurements for some guide
fleet mason
Yeah, maybe i shouldn't be using that term. but whatever it is, it's lowering the response time of my monitor with it on.
I can't set it to "fastest" with freesync on, with freesync off i can set it to fastest.
It's fine though, i'm not really experiencing any screen tearing or stuttering at all when gaming.
smoky flame
yeah, mine is much the same. Even being on an AMD GPU I can't alter the response time option. Would have been cool to see Freesync + Fastest (MBR) enabled
smoky flame
weirdly when I disable Freesync I can still enjoy low latency, tear free gaming too. Samsung must have really messed something up with their monitor options somewhere lol
Then again it may just be the 240Hz display too but I thought with Freesync disabled it would revert to a fixed refresh rate state where FPS should equal the refersh rate for the best experience. I get nowhere near 240 FPS on The Division 2 at the settings I'm playing at. Lucky if I can keep a consistent 60 FPS
fleet mason
Do you have one of the freesynch compatible monitor on that list you linked me?
smoky flame
Yeah, Samsung Odyssey G7 27"
fleet mason
I think if you're using a fps counter, it'll show how many fps your gpu can muster right? but that the g-sync, freesync extrapolates the frames to your monitor's refresh rate.
Or maybe i'm wrong.
What gpu do you have?
fleet mason
i'm not sure what i'm referring to. XD I'm not really that knowledgeable of exactly what freesync/gsync do. -_-
geeze, that monitor is 240hz, do you need that many hZ?!
like, can you even tell the difference between 144 and 240? granted i never seen a 240hz display in actin.
full flint
yes
fleet mason
There's a noticeable difference between 60 and 144, i've been playing games in 120-144hz on my pc, going back to consoles just feels slow and sluggish.
I can't even imagine 240hz.
@smoky flame can your 5700xt even do 240hz at 1440p?
smoky flame
Freesync has a higher tier called Freesync Premium that has the LFC feature. Basically, from what I gather of how it works is Freesync has a range. Lets say 60-144 Hz. Normally when games drop below that lower end of the range it would introduce tearing and if you have vsync enabled input lag too. With LFC this range has to be 2.5x greater so 48-144 for example. When FPS drops below 48 FPS LFC should kick in allowing for a tear free low latency gaming experience without having Vsync enabled since the monitor will double up or even triple up on the refresh rate to keep within the Freesync range
no
Bought this monitor with the future in mind. RDNA 2 and beyond
fleet mason
on my monitor, there's two options of freesync, standard and ultimate.
Ah ok. and yeah my 1080ti struggles to do some games at 144hz 1440p, ultra setting.
MSFS at 1440p, ultra settings, i get 40-60fps. Which i'm completely ok with, game looks amazing.
smoky flame
I play at maxed settings, even with people advising me not too since for the most part there is no gain to be had. Have thought about lowering settings but I'd rather just pay the games the way I want to and not have to try and eye ball each setting for noticeable enough improvements or drops in FPS
fleet mason
Yeah, same. But for shooters, i try to get 120fps+, with single player games, 60fps is fine.
smoky flame
RDNA 2 GPUs should fix my low FPS issues anyhow. At least until ray tracing is factored in, which I will be enabling in supported titles
fleet mason
🤞
smoky flame
Think I'll go and play some Fall Guys. Laters 🙂
devout remnant
@fleet mason I’m waiting for the new ASUS PG259NQ in November, 360Hz 😬
Been used to 240Hz for a while now, time for an upgrade!
shell lily
anyone want to play among us
fleet mason
@devout remnant why such a high hz? can games even go that high? especially if you set it to ultra.
full flint
someone going for FPS doesn't care about visuals
because they'd also not be going for a TN panel either
fleet mason
because they'd also not be going for a TN panel either
@full flint what do you mean?
Most super high hz monitors are TN though.
full flint
the newer ones aren't likely.
fleet mason
I like HFR, but i also like my games to look good.
Which is why i use adaptive sync and have most of my games on ultra/high, instead of low and ugly.
full flint
Didn’t you say you kept adaptive sync off the other day?
fleet mason
freesync
full flint
G-Sync and FreeSync are both Adaptive Sync
fleet mason
is different.
full flint
No. They’re not. Lol
There’s currently 3 different adaptive sync technologies
AMD FreeSync, NVIDIA G-Sync, and VESA Adaptive Sync
fleet mason
hold on, i keep freesync off mymonitor, ok, loaded up ori
it's not adaptive sycn, it's resolution scaling
Dynamic Resolution Scaling
full flint
That’s not even remotely close lol
full flint
That just increases or lowers resolution depending on situation
full flint
I can unfortunately. Benefits of being used to higher resolutions
fleet mason
really? like, when there's tons of stuff happening on screen during a game, it's hard to focus on the resolution when i'm just trying to keep up with the action.
unless your resolution is going down to 720p or something crazy, i wouldn't notice.
what kind of monitor do you have?
full flint
depends on the room.
Currently two IPS setup.
I'm fluxing between 4k and 1080p quite often
fleet mason
Which one is your main?
surreal moss
I can’t use dynamic resolution
The pixelation at distance makes me cry, especially at 1080p
full flint
Hey i have xbox game pass and xbox live gold, i am trying to download human fall flat but it shows error code 0x00000001 Can anyone help?
fleet mason
Sorry, can't help you. You can try #233805809346150400
devout remnant
@fleet mason Depends on your system
Mine can do 400-800FPS in the games I play
I would use a mix of Medium/High/Ultra settings, tbh, they can still look better than what a Console can do while pumping out high Hz
Also, 360Hz is so far only 1080p, that makes it really easy to go higher
My 240Hz is 1440p, which is harder to do but pretty much any MP game I can reach 240FPS.
FYI - the 360Hz panel is a Fast IPS panel 👍
fleet mason
@devout remnant you gotta tell me what hot specs your pc has.
surreal moss
It’s actually a TN. All 3 360hz monitors set to hit market from Acer, asus, and Lenovo use the same 240hz tn panel with 360hz OC capabilities
smoky flame
so these 360Hz panels are probably similar to how my old Asus worked? 144Hz native with a 180Hz OC that may or may not work
fleet mason
XLR8 you know your stuff!
smoky flame
I can't wait to see the prices on these 360Hz TN monitors. G-Sync Certified (module) too right?
Cost me £400 for the Asus PG248Q back in 2016 that was 1080p, TN, 144Hz native/180Hz OC and G-Sync certifed (though back then there was no G-Sync Compatible or G-Sync HDR/Ultimate) seems to still hold its value even today so if these 1080p, TN and 240Hz native/360Hz OC monitors (with G-Sync module) aren't priced at roughly double that I'll be surprised and idk about the rest of you but £800 for a 1080p TN display in 2020 sounds a terrible deal but hey, to each their own
surreal moss
360hz will use DP 2.0 unless they pull out before production
smoky flame
lol, DP 2.0 on a 1080p display? My Samsung Odyssey G7 would have made far greater use of DP 2.0. Btw here's the required bandwidth for 1080p at 360Hz and 8 bpc
well within DP 1.4 spec I believe. Might not need DSC after all, unless these monitors happen to be 8 bit + FRC like my Samsung is then they could use 10 bpc and it will require DSC
Samsung Odyssey G7 1440p at 240Hz and 10 bpc for comparison
fleet mason
This guy pulled out charts on us.
surreal moss
Extra bandwidth = no sampling or compression methods
devout remnant
It’s not a TN
smoky flame
what do you mean XLR8?
devout remnant
@smoky flame it’s just standard 8-bit IPS
Fine for 1.4
@fleet mason https://youtu.be/_OHSJYTGZ1w
smoky flame
"The Predator X25 will be available in North America in November, starting at USD 1099.99; in EMEA in November starting at EUR 1,139" WTF...
full flint
that's pretty cheap
devout remnant
Going to pair it with a Nvidia 3090 anyway
smoky flame
Even worse price than I thought it was going to be but then again that is IPS but still...
devout remnant
Yeah, all 3 will be IPS
full flint
https://reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/d0oahc/my_not_so_humble_homelab_is_finally_complete/ @surreal moss GOALZ
smoky flame
I'm completely ignoring Nvidia. This stuff is bonkers
full flint
such a beautiful rack
devout remnant
I want the ASUS - will be more expensive but I like the aesthetics
full flint
sounds like you're going to be ignoring PC in general then
stuff's only going to get more expensive
devout remnant
I expect the new GPU to be £2,000 if not more
smoky flame
shouldn't have to though. That G-Sync module is what is bringing up the price. Much like anything else Nvidia labelled
surreal moss
Oooo that’s neat
full flint
no, it's not what's bringing the price up
devout remnant
Btw, 2nd Gen TN is actually very good for what you get (1440p & 240Hz)
full flint
the OC spec is
devout remnant
devout remnant
G-Sync module worth paying for tbh, better than not having
full flint
Gsync modules are not anywhere near as expensive as they were
devout remnant
And true, it’s a “worlds first” so will be expensive
full flint
and usually only tack on an extra 100-200
even if that
due to their cost of production going down
smoky flame
still extra expense that freesync monitors don't need to be concerned with
devout remnant
But G-Sync has its advantages for Nvidia users.
full flint
if you want bleeding edge 360hz, you pay the bleeding edge tax
smoky flame
actually thought G-Sync module was dying when all these Freesync monitors were getting G-Sync compatible support
full flint
nor is performance
surreal moss
I’d tell you I care, but vsync and gsync are permanently disabled so unfortunately I don’t lulw
devout remnant
Why disable 😅
devout remnant
Hardly makes a difference tbh with G-Sync
surreal moss
This guy
smoky flame
I keep vsync disabled but Freesync seems useful in its low latency state
surreal moss
No sync will always yield you the lowest delay and most native input
It’s not a matter of by how much.
It’s a matter of getting every advantage possible
Same reason you’re buying a 360hz monitor
smoky flame
less latency than vsync though and I get tear free gaming. Win win imo. Idk why but when I was gaming on G-Sync it was recommended Vsync be enabled from the drivers on top of Gsync. Blur Busters 101 guide
devout remnant
You’re talking 2-4ms difference with G-Sync On than Off.
devout remnant
More information is different than input delay
surreal moss
It’s not any different. And your visual delay is also input delay
devout remnant
@smoky flame you only keep V-Sync on below Refresh Rate for 0 penalty.
surreal moss
It’s part of the compound, not an exception.
devout remnant
Not really - you can adjust for 2ms input delay but you cannot “see” an extra 50% of frames.
surreal moss
I thought you’d fight that the other way around
smoky flame
Ahh, sounds similar then to AMD's LFC featured in their Freesync Premium tier. Only LFC kills the need to have vsync enabled
surreal moss
It’s different for me sub
I don’t care about anything visual. I care about winning first and foremost
I run my games like garbage aliased 1080p low res bs
full flint
and he still comes in second :^ )
surreal moss
I customize games on the config level to ensure they’re running as fast as I possibly can
I have an exact OC for each game as well
smoky flame
I'm the crazy one who thought I could still game at a reasonable FPS when going from 1080p to 1440p while remaining at maxed settings. Just glad I didn't jump straight to 4K
full flint
I'd still have suggested jumping straight to 4k if you like going for visuals
since this upcoming gen is 4k-focused
surreal moss
I won’t even go above 1080p again. It’s just not worth it
full flint
-he says, as he knows he will when 1440p/4k@360hz releases-
surreal moss
I was 4k for a long time and it’s not exactly the greatest for me
plucky marsh
Just out of interest XLR8, what games do you play?
surreal moss
Overwatch and mcc are my 2 right now. Depends on what skill I’m trying to work on
Other than that just an aim trainer
plucky marsh
Just need to know what games to avoid so I don’t get destroyed by the 1080p Adonis
smoky flame
That it may be but 4K is both extremely demanding and expensive. I'll wait for DP 2.0 4K monitors and prices to fall to pick one up. At least with Freesync they do eventually fall. Not expecting to the the likes of Asus PG27UQ fall any time soon
surreal moss
I’ve been playing aim labs recently. Not a bad program
full flint
play Quake champ. instagib on nightmare-bot diff
you'll improve your aim after hours and hours of straight dying
surreal moss
It’s still taking time to adjust to my new posture and the viper ult but I’m working on it
devout remnant
@smoky flame I had a PG27UQ but I’d rather get a LG OLED right now tbh if that was the choice
smoky flame
How was it EnVii? Heard the fan gets loud on it lol
devout remnant
Was absolutely amazing, I never noticed the fan
The 4K at 27” was crazy detailed
Like, you see so much depth & quality
Plus 144Hz
smoky flame
I hear Asus are refreshing it with HDR1400. PG27UQX. Bet it has an even more eye watering price to match
devout remnant
Yeah, but that’s delayed so who knows when it’s out
surreal moss
You really don’t like new stuff prices
devout remnant
Still, OLED the better choice
smoky flame
yeah, I don't XLR8. Mainly an Nvidia thing. Freesync is fine, AMD is fine price wise so far. Just Nvidia
this coming from me who never thought I'd go AMD and stick by Nvidia no matter the price. I'm glad I tried AMD and gave them a chance
surreal moss
Happy it’s working out for you
smoky flame
Yeah, things haven't been perfect but seems even technology isn't perfect. I can put up with what AMD lack with the hope that some day AMD rise up to Nvidia, just like they did with Intel on the CPU market and give them a really good scare
full flint
Technology has never been perfect
AMD's biggest focus is CPU currently
don't expect them to rise up to NVIDIA, since NVIDIA's focus is and always will be GPU
and GPU related
@surreal moss man...
that must be nice
who cares about desktops anymore. just run servers
smoky flame
Even recently Nvidia's gaming division is no longer their highest earner so I wonder if we are about to see a change in focus from Nvidia
full flint
it hasn't been their highest in a while
AMD's is also far from it technically
NVIDIA's targeting ML and AI, AMD's targeting servers and creatives
surreal moss
Guy owns a lot of apple products
I mean think about it
Gaming just got passed by server because ampere server solutions have been out for months now
Gaming has not released yet
full flint
I also doubt that gaming will catch up either
the AV100 is $1million per unit
has the same performance as a 100-unit farm, in that single stack. for those that need more stacks, that'll increase quite a bit
smoky flame
well, I always look forward to seeing new hardware launch and I'll still be tuning into nvidia's event on the September 1st but at least now I'm well aware of what to expect and not to feel so disappointed when that 3090 gets announced. That 2080 Ti announcement really hit me. I think from there and the launch of SUPER refreshes was the moment I started to change my views on Nvidia. Though as I said above giving AMD a go was a real eye opener
smoky flame
Gone are the days of <$1000 (<$800 even!) top end, non Titan GPUs and hello new eye watering prices that even less people will be able to afford generation by generation if it continually increases
full flint
You must have joined in after the time when top-end was only $300-400
which was like....
7 years ago
smoky flame
yeah, I joined when the 980 Ti launched. Was my first real GPU. Had a prebuild with a 750 for a few months that almost put me off PC gaming. Glad it didn't lol
if I look at my GPU history since that prebuild I'd say it isn't bad but you will also see why I'm so up in arms about Nvidia's sudden price rises. 750 - 980 Ti -1080 Ti - 5700 XT (AMD)
full flint
the jump from each generation gets exponentially more and more expensive
this is true for both NVIDIA and AMD
smoky flame
didn't seem that way between the 780 Ti right up to the 1080 Ti. From what I seen their launch prices were all really close and at a price I don't mind paying. Just the elephant in the room (2080 Ti) that launched as "starting from $999" and later rose to £1149 if prices are eventually set to fall back to what they were then I may go Nvidia again but until they do or my fortunes change yeah, realistically I can't afford Nvidia no more. At least not the card I ideally want
Most I would have gone was £800 on a GPU
full flint
the 1080Ti Launched at $600-800
devout remnant
£400-£600 used to get you the best, now it’s £1500-£2000.
fleet mason
Bonkers
full flint
Hey i have xbox live gold and game pass. With game pass it lets you get many free games so i wanted to get human fall flat. When i tried it told me error code 0x00000001. Can anyone help?
full flint
did you try restarting the xbox or xbox app?
azure flicker
Yo steam says we can download wastelands 3 in August 27 5pm pdt
smoky flame
only concern I'd have is it appears to be 360Hz overclocked and not native. My old Asus PG248Q was 144Hz native and 180Hz overclocked and any time I used the 180Hz OC I was welcomed by some odd overly bright effect around the centre of the screen. Bad enough that I guess it would have further impacted on the poor contrasts and colours already present on a TN panel. If it is native 360Hz then never mind what I just said but I doubt all of them will be and the sort of money these are expected to cost I'd expect it to be
and I'm well aware that is is IPS we are talking but again, I refer back to my OC mode issue I had on my old monitor. If unlucky you may end up getting a similar effect on your screen which was really off putting and while IPS doesn't lack in the colour department, it does in the contrast department. Only VA has the high contrasts out of the 3 monitor panel types. Often double (or greater) that of both TN and IPS
devout remnant
No where does it say it’s OC.
I believe it’s Native 360Hz.
I’ve never had an issue with contrast on high end IPS panels, I don’t expect to here, my ASUS PG279Q was excellent.
Just wouldn’t go for a VA panel tbh, too many issues with gaming, much prefer IPS, 2nd Gen TN over VA.
Also not into curved screens at all.
smoky flame
I'm sure I seen something mentioned on either this server or another one. 360Hz monitors were brought up and in the article it was mentioned as 360Hz overclocked
devout remnant
I’ve not read that anywhere and tbh, I think I’ve managed to read all the articles on it!
Any OC panel they always mention the base clock and then that it’s a OC.
No mention anywhere.
smoky flame
well guess we'll just have to wait and see how they turn out. Personally I hope they turn out well and they are 360Hz native displays
devout remnant
The fact that it’s co-developed with Nvidia, has the G-Sync module and has a custom heat sink tells you all you need to know that they’re driving a true 360Hz screen!
Apparently it’s out in September, I’ll have one so will definitely post back with my impressions
smoky flame
not all 240Hz gsync displays were native iirc. Some offered 240Hz through an overclock option within the monitor's settings.
devout remnant
I’ve never heard of an OC 240Hz display but I’m sure they do exist, perhaps in the early stages,
The fact that it’s been heavily co-developed, no mention of it being an OC, plus has a hefty cooler, suggests it’s native to me, but yeah, a few more weeks to go & I’ll get to see all 360 Hz 😅
smoky flame
I seem to remember some time back XLR8 talking about their 240Hz monitor being native and when I looked at one and linked it he pointed out that it was 240Hz OC. Let me see if I can find the post. It was on this channel. Just some time back
devout remnant
If you see this, when Overclocked, it’s clearly mentioned
Now you see here, no mention
smoky flame
hmm ok, yeah. Nevermind my whole fuss about 360Hz OC
also, looking around for that post maybe it wasn't from XLR8. Idk, it was a while ago. >6 months ago I think. Doesn't matter now anyway
one other thing though. What's up with gaming on VA? I can get the curve being an issue. Though I hardly notice my Samsung Odyssey G7's curve and that is 1000R. Guess my brain adjusted to it fast. 240Hz and 1440p on this is immense. Just a shame I don't (yet) have the hardware that can push all those frames
devout remnant
ASUS branding is very clear when they OC a panel anyway, so no mention is a big tell tale it’s native.
And VA just isn’t good for dark scenes or places where it’s black or for highlights / details.
I waited for a long time for the PG35VQ and it wasn’t fast enough for the 200Hz
Due to the VA panel.
Also, don’t need high contrast myself, I don’t play on pitch black rooms.
smoky flame
That's strange considering VA's much higher contrasts. Should have been great for darker scenes and stuff like that
devout remnant
It’s to do with the pixel response time and smearing.
smoky flame
ahh yeah, been hearing a lot of the smearing. Doesn't appear to be present on the G7. This must be a gen 2 VA or something. Samsung definitely done some magic
devout remnant
Yeah, I’m sure it’s much better on that, I would have got one to try it at least but I’ve had curved before & that’s the biggest thing putting me off!
Glad you like it though, 1440p & 240Hz is amazing combination.
I know I’ll just want 1440p & 360Hz as soon as I get it it 😅
smoky flame
My next monitor upgrade will probably be 4K 240Hz but I can imagine that will both cost a lot and likely require Displayport 2.0 so until then I'll be content with what I have. Hardware improvements here and there up to the point I can upgrade my monitor once more only improving my experience further
Hopefully by then HDR on both Windows and monitors gets to a level it is worth using like it is on TVs too so I can get to experience the hype around HDR as so far, even with a HDR600 monitor I really don't see the big deal with it
I find myself keeping HDR off and even disabling the local dimming option since it appears to be done so poorly down to so little number of dimming zones, something that can only be fixed with a far more premium HDR1000 monitor or TV
devout remnant
4K 240Hz is very, very far away.
However HDR is amazing.
I have a LG OLED as well as having a ASUS PG27UQ
And the difference it makes is massive.
Sadly almost every monitor isn’t capable of delivering true HDR so people discard it as a something that isn’t that good, understandable but when you’ve seen “real HDR” then you understand the impact it has.
Anyway, if you scroll down a little to the table, I think it settles the point we had earlier.
floral quail
me sitting with 144hz, no g-sync and gtx1650
smoky flame
even settles the pricing too. $699 isn't too bad. At least on the IPS and 360Hz. 1080p meh but part of that cost is also the g-sync module. Far better than the $1000+ prices I was seeing
autumn sluice
Seasonic confirmed amperes 12 pin and 850w rumors
devout remnant
@smoky flame yeah, Acer said $1100 so the $700 from ASUS, who are normally more expensive, came at a positive surprise.
@autumn sluice apparently that’s only for Nvidia Founders cards, 3rd Party cards will have 3x 8-pin, will find out next week I guess.
full flint
I want to buy a gaming monitor that is 240hz do you guys got any recommendations?
smoky flame
I have the Samsung Odyssey G7. That's 1440p 240Hz and VA but for now I can't fully recommend it (though I'd love to) for a number of known issues. One most notable is Adaptive Sync (G-Sync Compatible)/Freesync flickering
orchid quarry
RGB = More FPS
devout remnant
@full flint if you’re Nvidia - Lenovo Y27gq.
If you’re AMD - HP Omen X.
There’s also some 1080p IPS 240Hz monitors
If you want 1440p, they will be out before end of 2020.
granite cipher
I have a Intel hd 620 graphics
I cant play anything except minesweeper on my computer.
past eagle
I finished my pc finally @smoky flame id post a pic but I can’t haha
i7 9700k
Rtx 2070
Oh wait lemme get the link
smoky flame
Nice!
coral snow
open belfry
Well I hope PS4 is better, it came out 12 years after the Xbox
surreal moss
12 pin adapter comes with founders edition, shouldn’t require new PSU
smoky flame
yay!
That 12 pin connector looks tiny. Wonder if we'll possibly see a redesign of 6 and 8 pins because they now look huge and outdated
fleet mason
Guys guys! The 3090 will have 24gb of memory!
That's more gb than most people have ram!
full flint
RAM is memory
also, that's still just a rumor.
but I wouldn't doubt NVIDIA pulling it
fleet mason
I mean 24gb of GPU ram! Not the standard ram.
Also, i thought they confirmed that 3090 will indeed have 24gb of ram.
full flint
no. The 3090 has not been confirmed to even be a thing
their conference isn't until several days from now
devout remnant
@fleet mason that’s just rumours but a very, very strong rumour. I’m sure it will be 24GB. That’s a lot of VRAM!
surreal moss
It’s a good day knowing all those people who cheaped out on PSUs are gonna have a rough September 🥴
full flint
nothing like a good ol' 350W TDP
full flint
surreal moss
Even the 3070 is 250
Everyone and their little 500 bronze is in for a rude awakening
smoky flame
I'm still waiting to see it formally announced. All these leaks I'll laugh if Nvidia go and announce it isn't even the 30 series but rather the 21 series, lol
full flint
while I don't see that happening.
that would be something they would do.
but given it's a generational leap, they won't
fleet mason
Dudes going to battle just clicking that pre-order button. 😁
surreal moss
fleet mason
Oh my.
surreal moss
Just put a 3900x in. I decided not to wait because my b450 probably won’t handle a 4900x to the degree I would want, and I kinda need it now
New graphics cause huge cpu spikes and push me just out of comfort with a 2700x
full flint
how's the perf?
surreal moss
Don’t know. Haven’t booted up yet
smoky flame
I might go Zen 3 Ryzen 9
full flint
so I'm interested in more practical performance of the last/current gens
surreal moss
The b450 ran the 2700x at 4.35 like nothing so I’m expecting good results minimum
I was planning on doing new cpu + board and ram since this caps at 3200 but that would cost way more than just slapping in a new cpu and calling it a day
This is my content pc after all
I’ll just take the money and invest in new components for rocket lake
fleet mason
I'm waiting till a year after the new consoles drop to build a new PC with the 3000 series cards. 
full flint
I'm waiting on the Ti models.
provided they actually do a 3090 Ti and aren't just rebranding the titan line (again)
smoky flame
Wonder how many years I could get out of a 16 core CPU before it begins to show irrelevance, if it ever does. I get that DDR5 is coming but I'm just growing incredibly impatient. Could do with a CPU upgrade. If not now, really soon. Got a feeling Series X/PS5 generation of consoles will eventually have an impact on CPUs with less than 8 physical cores. Won't be immediate (I hope)
surreal moss
Probably 3-5
The problem isn’t your core bandwidth
It’s your clock rate and ipc aging heavily against new technology
fleet mason
Isn't there gonna be a changeup in how mobos are made? Cause of the super fast io in the ps5.
surreal moss
No
full flint
It's running Gen4 and proprietary software
surreal moss
Both new gen consoles use pcie 4.0. AMD boards already use this and intels are about to
full flint
Windows will receive some parts ot Xbox Velocity Architecture in the future
obviously not the hardware integrations, but some software-based portions
fleet mason
I thought tim Sweeny said ps5 will change the way future PC's are built?
full flint
Tim Sweeney is also the one that said the PS3 was going to revolutionize games and that PCs didn't compare
Sweeney.jpg
smoky flame
LOL
full flint
this is why no one listens to Sweeney
he's the richest Playstation fanboy on the planet
smoky flame
lets see if he is still saying this stuff when Zen 3 + RDNA 3 is a thing. His PS5 will be left to look last gen pretty fast I think
fleet mason
I believe in Tim Sweeny and Mark Cerny!
smoky flame
I'd include Intel and Nvidia hardware but that just wouldn't be fair, would it? 😄
full flint
Sweeney hasn't changed in the 2 decades of statements about playstation he's made
surreal moss
I think I may have moved something
full flint
"the PS5 Pro will be stronger than medical supercomputers" according to him
just watch
smoky flame
lol
fleet mason
Why is the x just sitting up there like that. What the frick!
full flint
ye. that's cable on fan
surreal moss
Because it’s nothing more to me than a $400 brick
smoky flame
$400 doorstop 
devout remnant
One X actually a decent Blu-Ray player!
surreal moss
@smoky flame remember how I said “It’s your clock rate and ipc aging heavily against new technology”
My 12 core 3900x running cinebench20 just scored higher than a 16 core 1st gen threadripper
AND while only running at 4ghz flat
Just did some light OCing and I got 6885 against the TR that scored 6670
smoky flame
how is it in terms of temperatures?
surreal moss
Let’s find out
Really hot because icue was not running my custom curves
Ok so let’s not let icue call the shots and see what my real score is
Because icue thinks running one fan at zero rpm and the other at 200 is a good idea
smoky flame
there's a really useful utility for Zen 2 CPUs coming soon. https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/clocktuner-for-ryzen-(ctr-by-1usmus).html
surreal moss
Surprisingly my 280mm was keeping it under 80 just with passive cooling
Well basically passive
smoky flame
oh my, that's a pretty hot running CPU
surreal moss
No that’s just icue being icue
I’m running it full crank and letting the water cool down before I start testing
I’m going to get it as cold as possible before I run a full crank test, and then my normal curves
Water currently at 19.8°C
Package at 28
Alright here we go
Package never peaked over 58°C
Now I’ll try my normal non-wind tunnel curves
smoky flame
Nice, people really weren't joking when they told me Ryzen CPUs run pretty hot. Here I was thinking I could run one off an air cooler. I may reconsider that. Preferrably I want to run with an air cooler as AIO and liquid really shouldn't be required. They should be optional. Questions should be asked of any CPU that pushes air cooling users to the point they have to go AIO or liquid
surreal moss
In the 60s for custom curve
Nah this isn’t hot
I mean yeah it would be hot with an air cooler
This is with a 4.1ghz base clock OC btw
It’s not nearly as hot normally
smoky flame
that's what scares me somewhat. You are on a 280mm rad and it is pushing into the 60s for temperature. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable running that CPU or the 3950X on air lol
surreal moss
If you’re still on air cooling with a processor over $400 you’re kinda missing the ball there
smoky flame
I wonder how the more premium air coolers do with these CPUs. Got a feeling I'd have to go as far as getting something like the Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua D15. Surely they wouldn't fail at keeping them cool enough
surreal moss
I always get Corsair and just replace the fans
The asus ryujin is the best cooler on the market but that’s $300
smoky flame
lol, for that sort of price I sure hope it was the best and by some margin. If an air cooler can get within 10C of it I'd say it isn't good enough and certainly not worth $300
surreal moss
It’s an AIO + blower
Actually disperses air over your mobo unlike 99% of aios
- OLED screen on top
6912 on Cbench let’s go
smoky flame
I should have guessed. Between Asus being a premium brand and an OLED screen... Actually curious now to see this cooler in action. Going find a video of it
360mm rad?!
surreal moss
It also comes with 3 noctua industrial fans
Which is like $75 in fans
So really for everything you’re getting you’re actually not paying that much of a premium
But people just see $280 and go ASUS TAAAAAAX and don’t read into it
smoky flame
honestly, what I see of it looks way over the top. Any CPU that actually requires that sort of cooler should be taken off the market.
surreal moss
Wym?
smoky flame
360mm rad, 3 fans (industrial ones at that) it all sounds ridiculous. I'm getting pretty naggy these days about the prices on stuff but come on. There comes a point where I'm right. I'm sure there are some even more ridiculous AIO coolers, this rant applies as much to them as it does this Asus cooler
the OLED display is nice though
surreal moss
360s are increasingly common
I use a 360 for my gaming pc
Also the “industrial” title is just what they call their fans that aren’t aimed at being inaudible
They only go to 2000 rpm
There is a 240mm version of this cooler as well
smoky flame
oh, I was thinking it was one of those jet fighter sounding ones. Three of them would have been crazy, lol
honestly, I've always been under the impression a CPU should never require an AIO to stay cool. I say that even with a 240mm Corsair H100i V2 just now. Sure, it likely looks a lot nicer than most, if not all air coolers but if AIO isn't smashing air cooling in the cooling department by at least 10C across the board aesthetics is all I can see of AIOs
What difference does a <10C drop in temperature make to a CPU when the cost could be as much as 3 times between the two coolers? One air, the other an AIO
This is one of the things I have been weighing up personally with my AIO. I feel it is a great cooler but at the same time looking back I made a big mistake starting off with an AIO. Especially with my current configuration being a 6700K that I have run stock for the best part of over 4 years now
full flint
Hello, anyone on xbox-pc Beta here?
Every game i try to launch with game pass crashes after a minute or so...
Is this a known problem? Is there a known fix for it?
Love to know...
What i have done
- Disabled background-apps including GFX overclock app
- Tried different sound settings / Sources
- Have the latest build of windows / gfx drivers
devout remnant
Yeah, been reviewed already
Lowest Input lag of any monitor tested
Exceptional DCI-P3 colour
Over 1600:1 contrast
Solid build
And of course,
360Hz !
Going to be a fantastic monitor to play MP games on.
smoky flame
Lowest Input lag of any monitor tested
I wonder how much lower it is to a 240Hz monitor
G7 already measured some really low lag and latency results when tested by the likes of Rtings and HardwareUnboxed. Meant to be the best 240Hz monitor on the market right now. VA with TN matching latency. I believe only one monitor on the whole Rtings site beats the G7 and that is a 1080p 280Hz monitor
surreal moss
Yeah
Because it’s 280hz
This is 360hz
I’m excited for the monitor. My current is TN and it doesn’t look the best
smoky flame
when I seen the price of the Asus 360Hz monitor I was pleasantly surprised. $699. Sure, it may be 1080p but it is IPS, 360Hz, features a G-Sync module and is Asus. Half expected it to cost somewhere in the region of $1000, like the Acer 360Hz option appears to be set at
devout remnant
@smoky flame it’s 1.1ms of input lag
Extremely low.
Nothing is beating that.
G7 has 2.7 which was similar to my very, very old PG279Q !
Which tbh, is still exceptionally low.
smoky flame
Not many are going to notice the difference between 2.7ms and 1.1ms. Crazy enough people were calling out one another over 144Hz vs 240Hz
devout remnant
The difference is there, I mean between the Hz.
“As an IPS display, the monitor was able to reproduce DCI-P3 exceptionally well, just below the $5,000 Apple Pro Display XDR. I'll repeat that: The Swift 360Hz, an esports-focused monitor, just barely missed taking the first place spot in DCI-P3 results from the Apple Pro Display XDR, a monitor made almost expressly for tasks like...getting high scores in DCI-P3.”
This excites me for the monitor just as much as the RR.
smoky flame
IPS is supposed to have the best colour accuracy or whatever the proper term for it is of the three panel types. Results like that don't surprise me. I'd be more surprised to hear of an IPS with such poor colour accuracy that VA or TN can match or beat it lol
devout remnant
You’d be surprised.
The fact that it’s JUST slightly behind a $5K display
It’s just incredible.
Especially since gaming displays don’t have the best IPS screens for colour, generally better than TN & VA for sure but still.
It’s a significant statement.
Also, worth watching this, enjoy watching JJ from ASUS 😅
smoky flame
I'll believe it once the monitors are put through their tests by the various sites that do them. Rtings, Hardware Unboxed, TFT Central etc. There was quite a bit of give and take with my G7 and some reviewers regarding contrast figures for example. Rtings scoring it nearly 4000:1 while Hardware Unboxed was considerably lower at 1973:1
devout remnant
Unit to unit differs.
And that was a simply test
It shows almost 99% of DCI-P3 colour space
That’s exceptional.
smoky flame
yeah but that's the point I'm making. Units will differ to advertised. Some may end up being better than advertised and others worse. Sure hope Asus don't end up with something as drastically different as what Samsung had with their G7's advertised contrast ratio of 2500:1
I do wonder why Asus are pricing it so low if this monitor can match DCI-P3 on a $5K monitor. Something must surely be up. How's HDR support? Isn't DCI-P3 a HDR colour standard?
devout remnant
Colour space isn’t usually the thing of contention. That’s what the panel is capable of.
What usually varies, contrast, backlight bleed, halos.
And the $5K monitor is in a different league for things like resolution.
And backlight tech. Different market. Different price.
Acer price isn’t confirmed
It was rumoured to be $1100.
ASUS never lacks, they have the best hardware always in their top end monitors.
I owned both the PG27UQ and X27
And the ASUS performed better, build was better, OSD was better.
Well, it looked amazing.
Because newer version coming.
PG27UQX
Yeah, apparently around £3,500
I might get one tbh, because I want a 4K screen alongside the 360Hz
It will be the best non-OLED 4K screen you can get.
Aha, yeah, it’s for a very small amount of gamers tbh
If it doesn’t have DSC then ima definitely skip, but if it does, I will have one.
Well, the regular one didn’t.
So until it’s confirmed, who knows.
It could do, I’m sure it will, DSC wasn’t a thing back then I don’t think.
full flint
Me: Wow look at AMOLED
People: Bruh if it's not like Apple XDR monitor it's trash
devout remnant
?
surreal moss
Typical asus making feature packed products smh
And they increase the price too
Like they’re a business or something
full flint
I mean, they're bussiness? Last time I've checked they weren't charity
devout remnant
@smoky flame well, I don’t think it was a thing like I said or else would have had it, I didn’t though.
Every business going to charge maximum for their products
Whole point of business, to make money.
That’s how tech works, so yeah, eventually they will.
full flint
pc time
green shadow
alright i have a question about the xbox gamebar
full flint
You're free to ask
full flint
This'll be XLR8 in a year
surreal moss
Bro idk what you’re talking about
full flint
not bright enough. it'll gradually get brighter over the next year and eventually become a beacon of safety to all within your township
analog sapphire
loooool
fleet mason
XLR8 i have the same xFi modem/router as you!
Why is it on the floor and next to your pc though, should be up on a pedestal in the open.
It feels kinda like a mini xbox series x, i would think.
full flint
It doesn't really need to be out in the open, and he probably uses wired for 95% of his devices
fleet mason
95%?! That's a big claim.
Switches, phones, tablets, vod devices, smart devices.
I'd say 50% maybe.
It should be up on a pedestal because the xFi box is the heart of all his electronics!
full flint
I'm pretty sure he only has a phone that he uses wirelessly, but that's my assumption.
surreal moss
It’s on the second floor
It has to go through the floor
If I put it up on something, it has to go through that too
Also both of my PCs are direct wired into it
fleet mason
so 95% of your devices are hard wired?!
surreal moss
What does that have to do with it
fleet mason
All my non portable electronics are hardwired, all portable devices are wifi .
like, tv, desktop, gaming consoles, all hard wired.
lol nothing i suppose, but just curious, cause dark dullahan said 95% of your devices are hard wired.
full flint
I also said that was an assumption
surreal moss
100% of the devices that need the internet the most in the house are hardwired