All 3 are G-Sync monitors, BlurBusters and TFTCentral confirm the panel is IPS being used by all 3. Ah well, not long now to find out. 240Hz IPS G-Sync is next month.
Sorry about the pings.
#pc-gaming
devout remnant
full flint
The ROG Swift is an AU Optronics Panel
At best I could see them trying for VA
But realistically it’s not going to actually be IPS. Not if the product is to last more than 2 years
devout remnant
Still, for the Hz, can’t wait to try it in November.
1440p 240Hz IPS next month.
A nice upgrade from the impressive 1440p 240Hz 2nd gen TN.
smoky flame
1440p is awesome
full flint
4k or higher for me
1440p’s too many media issues for me and occasional game incompatibility
smoky flame
think my next monitor choice will be 4K VA and at least 144Hz. Hopefully by the time I'm thinking of upgrading my monitor again prices on those monitors will have fallen
smoky flame
oh wow really?
Just not sure IPS will be for me. VA seems best. Contrasts are great and colour reproduction is good. Though pretty sure my monitor is using DCI-P3 rather than sRGB. Which oversaturates things a bit
full flint
VA has better color than TN but worst all around color and contrast than IPS
There’s a reason IPS is considered the best
Color gamut doesn’t really make VA better than IPS, because a P3 IPS is better than sRGB IPS
In terms of color gamut
smoky flame
I thought IPS was for the colour and VA for the contrasts?
full flint
IPS is used for media creation due to level accuracy
It excels in other departments as well
It’s the newer panel type, as well as the best
It’s not about one type being better for one specific thing as an option, it’s direct evolution
smoky flame
the best for media creation it seems. IPS is pretty expensive. I would not have liked to have seen how much the Samsung Odyssey G7 would have cost if it was native G-Sync and/or IPS
devout remnant
Never would go VA gaming, it’s just not good enough.
full flint
They are designed around viewing angles
devout remnant
OLED is the best but difficult to produce at that size range for Monitors
full flint
IPS has the highest retention of color accuracy at a wider viewing angle, VA is lower, TN is lowest
VA and TN have issues not present in IPS
Edge bleed
Among other things
devout remnant
IPS issues too, plus response times are limiting factors here
MicroLED will be end game,
0.1-1ms response times, bright, HDR, no draw backs except price at launch.
full flint
IPS doesn’t have higher response times
It has lower capital refresh rates
Between VA and IPS at least
If you compare either to TN they’re both slower in response time
devout remnant
Or OLED.
Yeah, but if they make 360 work then that’s a good stepping stone to Micro - 480Hz+ screens soon.
devout remnant
OLED panels are different to IPS, VA & TN.
devout remnant
😕
smoky flame
I guess OLED wouldn't need VA since OLED turns off LEDs in dark areas of a scene from what I understand of OLED which would give it perfect contrasts
full flint
They’re just a different lighting method
devout remnant
LG make OLED panels for TVs & a couple of monitors, it has nothing to do with IPS.
full flint
The only one that requires LED LCD is TN
You can have OLED VA and IPS
VA OLED are much harder to find because it wasn’t worth it to produce
They aren’t the same type of lighting tech EnVii. That’s where your confusion comes from
OLED has its own subcategory of panel types
Just like LCD does
So in the conversational sense, OLED is indeed different
smoky flame
I guess we'll see more of them when Samsung introduces their Q-OLED TVs
full flint
But they have panels that rely on similar tech albeit modified to suit OLED
Q-OLED monitors will be great
devout remnant
OLED is its own thing
smoky flame
I quite like VA QLED (G7 has it). Yet to really see an OLED TV in action but the QLED is nice
devout remnant
It’s not like IPS at all
“Before you get confused with IPS and OLED, you should know that OLED is completely different from IPS”
IPS, VA & TN are LCD types
OLED is its own thing
smoky flame
QLED is still LED (QD-LED) right?
devout remnant
Yeah
surreal moss
Quantum dot
devout remnant
Quantum Dot, I believe Samsung go through a process to make colours more vibrant. Hence the branding.
full flint
Yes EnVii, as I stated OLED is different from LCD-IPS
smoky flame
yeah, I know a little bit about it. Not much though tbf
full flint
But OLED has its own IPS form-factor
devout remnant
In what way are you claiming this?
full flint
Panel manufacturers
full flint
Yes. OLED-IPS is not LCD-IPS
devout remnant
Buts what’s IPS about a OLED?
It’s not an In Plane Switching panel
It doesn’t feature that
full flint
The models have technology that is a modified IPS format
surreal moss
Learning time boy
full flint
They’re very uncommon panel types due to price, but they exist
Usually found in smaller devices
devout remnant
I’ve never heard or read about this anywhere till now tbh, LG make all the standard OLEDs and they don’t share anything to do with IPS
full flint
I’m not saying you can go out and buy one easily
Just that they exist
iirc they spurred the development of AMOLED originally
full flint
IPS is specific for the LED substrate
devout remnant
An OLED panel, the tech itself, is different to LCD & in turn, separate from IPS, this is literally the point of OLED.
AMOLED is just a type or OLED that Samsung use for small displays, LG have a different type WOLED I believe for their larger screens. Hence why both focus on different sizes.
You can’t combine OLED & IPS - it doesn’t work that way.
full flint
Yes, yes you can. lol
Just because it’s not mass produced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
devout remnant
Please link me to ANY OLED-IPS display.
full flint
IPS was originally developed in the 70s, despite not being well implemented
That’s kinda the whole point. The tech exists, but is too expensive for current market needs.
devout remnant
IPS is inferior to OLED except maybe for sheer brightness & no burn in.
full flint
LG’s filed several patent designs around OLED-IPS
Specifically the switching method
Just going on current costs and over viewing what I remember about what was stated about it, it’d be anywhere from 3x to 8x the cost to manufacture compared to sOLED, or AMOLED
Just like liquid robotics, you can’t buy it, nor is it viable, but it exists
Possibly medical and biotech applications
devout remnant
If you wiki IPS - it literally says:
“IPS (in-plane switching) is a screen technology for liquid-crystal displays (LCDs)”
There is no mention of OLED-IPS anywhere on the internet.
I’m just saying I’ve never, ever heard of this because they’re two different types of tech.
If it exists, even if it’s super rare, I’d love to read about it. Whether it’s just a obscure patent or something written somewhere. I can’t find anything at all.
If you have OLED - you don’t need the IPS.
That’s the whole point.
It’s self emissive.
LCD is the basis for IPS, VA, TN.
There is no IPS without LCD.
OLED is its own thing.
To add IPS makes no sense as it doesn’t need it.
full flint
Like I said. Possibly for Biotech
R&D is an interesting thing
It uses an alternate design to overcome OLED’s response limitations
devout remnant
Wdym response limitations?
Pixel response?
full flint
OLED, categorically are slower panels
devout remnant
What?
OLEDs have instant response times
0.01ms is possible.
1ms is easily achievable consistently.
They’re the fastest panels on the market.
full flint
I’m referring to medical
Not consumer paneling
A lot of medical equipment dealing with displays still use CRT types due to nanosecond response times
(Which makes me want that ultrawide from 2008 CES even more)
full flint
Also I was referring to sample-and-hold responses
Yes, except these are late-entry CRT
0.5-5ns
Which is an extremely small fraction of a ms, much smaller than 0.01ms
Of which a very very very small few consumer monitors have
(Like that ultrawide from CES2008)
devout remnant
Well, medical world can enjoy the CRTs
That’s very interesting
But from a gaming POV
OLED & soon MicroLED will allow true 480+ screens without RT issues, ghosting & allow for true HDR.
full flint
devout remnant
I can see why that didn’t take off 😅
full flint
Sold for $6-7,000
Or a similar design one
Even Linus talked about it a week or two ago on WAN Show
Offered $10,000 if someone had one that they could send him
rapid stag
Hey how much would it cost to build a gaming desktop good enough to stream, along with a monitor. My budget is under $600
Is it possible or am I stupid?
Tag me if you can help
full flint
@rapid stag not possible
$800-1000
Save up a bit and see how the new generation hits
rapid stag
I have no way of making money. 😅 I was told by others that it was possible tho.
dull thistle
When is the new generation?
full flint
Q4 this year reported
Zen3, RDNA2, and early DDR5 at least
NVIDIA hasn’t officially made the announcement yet
They usually do that in July or August
rapid stag
Well ik people with a $350 laptop that can stream Valorant
full flint
Valorant isn’t all that intensive of a game
And honestly. They aren’t running that anywhere near high
rapid stag
Yea and I plan on only streaming card games which is less so 🤔
The biggest game I'll be streaming is Hearthstone
Streets of Rogue and League of Legends are smaller in size.
full flint
Just use whatever you have then
rapid stag
My laptop can't handle hearthstone
I don't have anything else
So yes it'll be my first desktop
full flint
If you build a 2gen old desktop with old budget parts and you’d be fine
rapid stag
I don't want to go bare minimum but on a budget I may have to. Anything stronger with the amount I mentioned? Also like I know what 2gen and old budget parts look like?
full flint
Not really no.
rapid stag
Think of me as an old person when it comes to computers, I know how to use them. That's a bout it.
full flint
People forget to factor the cost of peripherals
rapid stag
Peripherals? As in tax?
full flint
Which are on average $150-200 for a budget setup
Monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers
Etc
rapid stag
I have a mouse, keyboard and speakers
rapid stag
I have a desktop that still runs ready well, however it still has windows vista
Really*
I have a monitor
I may need a new one tho since it doesn't have HDMI
full flint
And there’s OS cost
rapid stag
OS?
full flint
Operating system
rapid stag
I was told I could afford a desktop with the limits I have.
full flint
1000D? 👀
devout remnant
Yeah
full flint
Noice
devout remnant
That beast. I don’t think I can ever switch to another case again.
devout remnant
Naturally 👏
full flint
But ofc
rapid stag
.-.
I don't care about streaming at 1080p 60fps tho
I'm fine with 720p at 60fps
I have good internet to do that. The problem I have is hardware. I stream on Xbox at 1080p already.
No lag
full flint
You’ll still have to deal with it, since when you reduce the size the gpu has to process that as well at times
Idk if you ever noticed, but people with separate dedicated rigs stream at 720 and still need their second desktop
rapid stag
What if my laptop did the streaming and the desktop played the game?
My laptop can't do both, but it can do one or the other.
If I sell some of my stuff I could get a better laptop for $300 leaving me a streaming device.
surreal moss
We can build a $600 pc
But it’s literally going to get crushed by $500 consoles coming soon
Your pc experience is going to suck
autumn sluice
Not to mention weaker because inflation
surreal moss
me when im famoose
full flint
change y’all emotes
lusty oak
Why should they?
worldly ravine
^
ruby spear
Why @full flint ?
obsidian bobcatBOT
wavymarv360#8738 has been banned.
worldly ravine
I just love the intel gameplay software
It's so good, telling me what games I can play and how I can change settings
worldly ravine
Hmmmmm
full flint
Ban XLR8 for plartform wars
Tbh, I wouldn't trust these software. There's usually something you can do to play it.
smoky flame
last night I tried Rocket League and Warframe on my new monitor.
Rocket League reached 240 FPS fine for the most part at maxed settings. Some serious dips in menus and stuff but I'm pretty sure that's just the game.
Warframe on the other hand... Maxed settings, with deferred rendering enabled I struggled to reach 240 FPS. At most got around 220 FPS, dropping further in more open spaces like Cetus and Maroo's Bazaar.
Both were uninstalled shortly after.
full flint
Wait a sec, you've uninstalled games because they failed to provide stable 240FPS?
tribal pilot
How do I do live wallpaper on pc? Trying to find a program and cant seem to find one.
tribal pilot
Found a program on steam wallpaper engine. Cool tho limited on the amount of themes
smoky flame
no, G-Man. I just didn't intend to play them for too long. Warframe I picked up a lot of bad habits from in the past that I don't want to see resurface and Rocket League I'm just not a big fan of any more.
only time I might drop games is if they struggle to reach at least 60 FPS at the settings I like to play them at. Which even at 1440p I still expect the 1080 Ti to be more than capable of maintaining in most games
rapid stag
Thanks for the help, I'm gonna continue streaming on Xbox. I'll wait until I can invest more into the PC
full flint
@untold hearth please change give yourself a nickname using standard characters, and don't post the same thing in multiple channels, and no advertisement/self-promotion. #rules
surreal moss
full flint
Lol true
smoky flame
the feels 😦
fallow gorge
obsidian bobcatBOT
Please refer to #233805809346150400 for support related issues. People will assist if/when they are able to.
surreal moss
thorny cypress
I have one on pre-order (Softweave as well), still got 2 months on the estimate for mine
worldly ravine
I want the Cyberpunk chair, that one looks cool
lusty oak
I just want a chair.
full flint
I want the gaming bed
lusty oak
^
outer hull
HALO MMC HOW DO I GET FRONKS
FRONKS BACKGROUND
i have been informed it doesnt exist
please add
full flint
but that's the same unlock requirements as Firth and Golden Chief
please stop spamming caps
You can't
outer hull
....
full flint
It was awarded to those who played before november 2014
nov-dec
while the game was in a rough state
full flint
Just because you cannot currently obtain it doesn't mean it'll always be that way. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
outer hull
im still depressed
surreal moss
It’s really comfortable.
I still use my seat and lumbar pads from purple though
The comfort is undefeated
But I got this one because this is one of the few chairs on the market that has a negative recline
So I can sit straight up and just dunk on kids
autumn sluice
returning a game over a nameplate? lol
full flint
Hello.
Does the new update for Windows 10 any stable for the majority ?
I'm thinking of getting it thru Update Assistant.
Should i really need the update now ? Or that's not necessary ?
smoky flame
seems Ampere won't be 7nm but rather Samsung 8nm
autumn sluice
@full flint it fixes years old bugs apparently
autumn sluice
@smoky flame do u have sauce?
smoky flame
devout remnant
This has been rumoured for a few weeks
Was hoping 7nm
But, doesn’t seem to have held Nvidia back
The cards looks immense
Can’t wait for RTX 3090 Ti Super
smoky flame
lol, I doubt there will be one of those. 3090 looks like it may replace the x80 Ti card. Not sure I'd see a reason for both a 3080 Ti and 3090 card unless either the Titan goes or the 80 Ti goes. 3090 SUPER may well be possible though, at a later date
think I also seen some mention that Ampere starts at 3050. If true Ampere will have a full line up, something we haven't seen since Pascal. 1050 right up to 1080 Ti and Titan Xp (not to be confused with the Titan X Pascal which launched earlier than the two cards I mentioned previous)
smoky flame
makes me wonder what sort of monster GPU Nvidia are about to unleash if there really is to be both a 3080 Ti AND 3090...
full flint
hi
full flint
If it’s Samsung 8nm it’ll be blazing
surreal moss
If you look up the ga102-400 it’s basically a 3080ti but with twice the vram buffer and more cores
It’s sort of a halfway bridge between a gaming card and a titan
Sorta like if you took a titan and ripped the ML and AI parts out
It may also just be the titan
Because it fits the sceme titans usually do. Double or more vram, slightly more cores, vram runs slower than 80ti
GA102-400-A1
5,376 cores 24 GB at 17 Gbps
GA102-300-A1
5,248 cores 12 GB at 21 Gbps
smoky flame
yeah, I can see that being typical Titan and 3080 Ti which unless Nvidia were to rename the 3080 Ti or Titan I don't see how a 3090 is going to fit in
unless Nvidia happen to make the 3090 even faster than GA102-400-A1
smoky flame
so no Titan or has it got some even meaner specs? 😮
surreal moss
That’s sort of up in the air
Because everything is speculation and using very loosely leaked stats
smoky flame
3090 is going to be Titan RTX priced and no way will I ever be paying over £2000 on a GPU
I hope they stick with 80 Ti and Titan
surreal moss
It might be a niche card aimed at like work more than gaming, but without the huge upfront cost a new titan brings
If the leaked stats are true though, you’re not going to get what you pay for with the 3090
If gaming is your use
full flint
What is the best cheap Graphic card
surreal moss
It’s basically gonna be what it’s like right now with the 2080ti vs titan. Extra 10fps maybe under high loads, diminishing effect at higher FPS, and twice the price
Cheap is subjective
What’s your budget for the GPU
smoky flame
yeah, that's the exact vibe I'm getting off those specs you mentioned above
full flint
similar with the 3 different Titan X models
surreal moss
I remember seeing somewhere that there’s a 7000+ core model
But that might be a new quadro
full flint
likely low-end quadro or a titan
surreal moss
Ampere is also their new server architecture so things beyond the ga102 get confusing
full flint
My pc is bad :-(
surreal moss
I’m not gonna recommend any card because I don’t know your budget
smoky flame
Honestly, I'll be happy if the 3080 Ti turns out cheaper than the 2080 Ti did. Will almost certainly get it but that 12 pin connector may still bother me. Getting that GPU then will probably end up triggering the fact I need a new PSU which personally I'm not going to look forward to disassembling my whole PC just to install a new GPU and connector...
surreal moss
A $300 card to me is cheap. To $600 pc users that’s really expensive
surreal moss
If 12 pin is a huge concern you could just wait for aib
I might just wait for asus
Depends on the timing
full flint
Just write ⬇️
smoky flame
it only concerns me that it sounds like it could end up being another one of Nvidia's proprietary marketing toys. Seeing as G-Sync isn't that special now they need something new to tax to the hills and back. This sounds like a candidate. As I said the other day PSU prices with this new 12 pin connector may be pretty pricey. Personally I don't see 6+6 pin working so it almost seems to me that we are about to see a new connector for sure
I'd like to be proven wrong but I have my doubts. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully it is as simple as one taking apart their PC and being able to use this new 12 pin connector with their existing PSU. If every owner has to spend extra on an overly expensive 12 pin connector supported PSU with Nvidia logos and stickers all over it I can't imagine it will gather much popularity
devout remnant
I just hope with this 12-pin, you can just do 6+6
So my 8+8 ones have 2 each that are detachable.
It won’t cause many issues and I imagine people will be the same.
full flint
I can't personally think of a case for PCIe where you couldn't split-pin
surreal moss
Wire gauge
devout remnant
Will soon find out!!!
smoky flame
Hardware Unboxed made a pretty good video explaining HDR on the monitor I have and honestly. It sucks that people have to go and spend double, maybe even triple the price of the Samsung Odyssey G7 just to get what is considered a "true HDR" experience. Though for that price you are getting 4K, 144Hz, FALD and DisplayHDR1000 which now that I understand it a little better now does sound impressive. Just so expensive 😦
surreal moss
Well
That’s what happens when you get used to everyone using cheap, fake HDR, and all around crappy panels
When all the R&D goes into improving cheap panels, nothing goes into making REAL panels cheaper
So when someone decides hey we’re gonna make a real monitor screen that actually does what these labels mean it does
It costs a ton
smoky flame
HDR400 needs to go. HDR600 sounds like it could be considered entry level HDR but HDR1000 is definitely where it is at
think I even seen a DisplayHDR1400 rating which I wonder what that does that even HDR1000 can't
Anyway, I won't be looking at 4K monitors any time soon. Pretty happy with this monitor. Had it over a week and it is quite an improvement over what I had previously. Maybe by the time I'm looking at 4K HDR monitors HDR1000 will have become standard at that resolution and prices will have dropped
devout remnant
HDR and the number normally relates to peak brightness.
For “True HDR” you need around 1,000 Nits of brightness.
Which is what HDR1000 is.
So HDR1400 just means it’s brighter.
Which is what the PG27UQX will be.
Anything less than 700-800 isn’t really HDR.
Plus you want HLG / HDR10+
Or the GOAT - Dolby Vision
full flint
600 is HDR, 400 is not
SDR displays display luminance values up to 400-500 nits
higher is better though, for sure
devout remnant
400 & 600 are both classed as HDR but they’re just not enough for HDR.
full flint
400 isn't considered HDR by anyone who uses HDR though
it just has the VesaDisplay HDR seal...which is dumb
surreal moss
Is this LOSs
full flint
LOSs of textures, yes
smoky flame
I got something like that when pressing alt + enter on The Division 2 while trying HDR. Was rather funky, lol
azure flicker
be me
its that time of the year where i need to upgrade https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Fudgekream/saved/qCNxcf
autumn sluice
@azure flicker 1650 better option
whatever version u want super, ti, the new ones coming
smoky flame
@azure flicker why the two 2x 8GB ram kits? 16GB is still more than enough if only gaming
full flint
https://youtu.be/Skry6cKyz50 @surreal moss 🤢
definitely going AMD next-gen.
I'll get an intel chip for Adobe-specific features in photoshop (lol?)
smoky flame
wasn't it another Linus that said Intel were making up instructions to give them an edge and they hoped that instruction dies (AVX-512)
smoky flame
creator or something of Linux. Guy sounded pretty mad
full flint
Torvalds?
full flint
oh, this is a straight up call-out video
he's going into all of the other stuff they've done
smoky flame
if what he says is true and AVX-512 is just some "make Intel look good" instruction then put it to one side and suddenly AMD CPUs look even more attractive for their price. If only they could find a way to reach 5GHz+ like Intel while still keeping costs roughly where they are at. Intel would be in serious trouble then
devout remnant
Intel just had a absolute horrible time trying to get the 7nm done, it’s seriously hurt them with staying ahead.
smoky flame
just by playing a little bit of Forza Horizon 4 and I tried playing it without any anti aliasing enabled (both MSAA and FXAA disabled) and on my 1440p monitor I hardly noticed any aliasing at all
azure flicker
@smoky flame i like to have 36 for 3D art which I want to get good at and It'll help me with big 3D projects.
Wait a minute that's not my list of the things I got. This list is not right at all
azure flicker
Okay here's the right build don't know why it reverted back to an old save but nonetheless here it is
autumn sluice
@smoky flame well remember aa is supposed to recuse jaggies and if u got a higher pixel count the jaggies will be less noticable
past eagle
@azure flicker https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QC88Nq is my build good?
azure flicker
Idk probably i had help getting mine together
smoky flame
@past eagle is that build complete or what you plan to get?
past eagle
Oh wait no , it’s what I’m working on rn. I just need my gpu
I’ll upgrade to the 2080 Ti later on
fierce glacier
My "pc" is an old hp pavilion laptop that runs unmodded terraria at like 5fps at best when put at the lowest settings
I hate it
past eagle
😂
gilded crest
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QC88Nq is my build good?
@past eagle nice flex.
smoky flame
@past eagle I'd hold off thinking about that upgrade. Newer GPUs are incoming in the next few months. 2080 Ti won't be worth it for too much longer. Not that it was to begin with
if you didn't already have the rest of that system built I was about ready to throw a suggestion. Go AMD, wait for Zen3. You'll get so much more CPU for your money. Slightly lower core speeds but if you game at either 1440p or 4K Intel's advantage isn't really there like it is at 1080p. The more "budget" options AMD offer pretty much reign supreme
@azure flicker same advice applies to you I think. Wait for Zen3. I'm not sure it is really worth getting a CPU or GPU at this time unless urgent since new components seemingly aren't that far out. Zen3 is said to launch before the year is out. This on top of AMD launching RDNA2 GPUs too. Intel have some big announcement September 2nd and Nvidia look set to launch new GPUs. If that doesn't spell a bad time to be thinking of upgrading or building your first PC I don't know what is. Could be somewhat obsolete within 5 months
full flint
anyone on pc online
what i do if im having this your account doesn't match your dev environment and it says more but its for ark
full flint
Corsair Keyboard
autumn sluice
Probably spacebar
past eagle
Flex? Wdym @gilded crest
@smoky flame ah yeah I’ve already started the build haha a bit late, I’d love to build an AMD build too
full flint
Is the Xbox Elite Controller Series 2 good?
Want to get it for my PC games like Forza Horizon 4
agile isle
@full flint I have it and I think it's great. But I don't think it would be a must-have for forza. All you really need is a joystick for turning and triggers for gas and brake which are pretty similar for the elite and regular controllers. Unless you want to do manual shifting then the paddles might be good
Imo the best part of the controller is the paddles, so you can use the right joystick while being able to use ABXY. Something like that is mostly useful in shooters not so much car games
full flint
Issue is my series 1 wired cord keeps falling out and it is pain so I need a Bluetooth controller that connects to the PC but has the elite features @agile isle
agile isle
Oh ok well then it seems you don't have much of a choice..
full flint
Ok ig just asking don’t gotta be rude
livid brook
Can about half 2 ish
surreal moss
full flint
Imo vice versa lol, I know I tortured a HDD and 0 bad sectors lol
surreal moss
I literally had one where all I did was unplug it without turning the pc power completely off (pc was off, power supply was still on) and it died completely
Straight up unresponsive paperweight
worldly ravine
Hard Disk Drive is apparently hard to keep track of files
elfin harbor
Does anyone have a rx5700 xt?
livid brook
Have a 5700 but not the xt
cedar smelt
I've totally installed HDDs sideways and just had them hanging out of the side of the case if they were a temporary thing.
SSDs are better, but HDDs were not quite that delicate.
surreal moss
Their orientation doesn’t matter as long as it’s not at an odd angle
wheat lagoon
hola
high fern
Hi👋
quaint crater
hello ! Has anyone ever had windows give them random encryption backup prompts after starting to use Game Pass for PC?
past eagle
Just ordered the Ducky One 2 Mini Bon Voyage 
Keyboard
terse sparrow
I got an acer aspire es15 it's like 4 years old but it's still really slow, but I mean the i3 processor is very good.
Lol
worldly ravine
RUF is a car company that makes modified Porsches, last I heard
azure flicker
Okay explain it like a friend who helped make a list of pc parts to his noob friend
I can sortve get the ruf but idk the context here
graceful marlin
Is there any way to configure launch options on Windows Store games on PC? Usually on PC I can do it via game launcher (like steam, gog etc) or worst case scenario I create a shortcut to desktop of the exe and put the command line in the "target" field. How can I do something like that with Windows Store games?
thick moat
lmao no
Or atleast not from the Windows store unless you make a shortcut to the exe
Come to think about it, Maybe if you have Galaxy 2.0 you could in theory set launch options via adding the games executable again but as a secondary one
@graceful marlin
graceful marlin
sadly the exe doesn't start
I've got access to it via WindowsApp folder but can't get it working so I can't do anything with that :/
tribal pilot
Wow GameStop has computer parts and I can trade games and hardware to get that stuff. Did not know this.
lusty oak
Wait, what?
tribal pilot
They got motherboards and other pc parts. No graphics cards so far. But if I can trade consoles in and games and get pc parts it’s kinda cool. Tho I wonder if they will allow you to trade pc parts or PCs in eventually.
Oh they have pre-built pc for sale also tho you have to search for it.
cedar smelt
I dunno how much I'd want to trust a used graphics card. Or other computer parts really, but with graphics cards I think of BTC mining.
surreal moss
Don’t buy used parts from people you don’t know
cedar smelt
Right? That sounds like an attitude I can go with.
And even then, past a certain age... capacitors wear out gradually.
So it would have a shortened lifespan.
smoky flame
I'm still trying to figure out how that AMD FidelityFX in game option works in some games. Mention of upscaling and sharpening but all I see is either a toggle to enable or disable the option or that and a slider that goes from 0-100 for sharpening. Yet to see anything that allows control of the upscaling part of this feature
smoky flame
that's what I've been doing recently. Even games where I had it on, I've since turned it off. Still hasn't stopped me from being super curious about the whole setting. Definitely seems superior to Nvidia's image sharpening option in the Nvidia control panel
surreal moss
NEVER
smoky flame
Nvidia's image sharpening has a higher impact to performance than AMD's fidelityFX (AMD control panel or whatever it is called and in game) and I believe Nvidia also have a freestyle sharpening filter through Geforce Experience that can be enabled on some games that has an even higher performance hit than the NVCP sharpening. So while most of it works the same. AMD's is technically more advanced and carries less of a performance penalty
full flint
FidelityFX lowers the resolution of the output image @smoky flame
NVIDIA's uses ML to actually output a higher resolution image from a lower-res internal
unlike NVIDIA's you're not actually getting a higher quality image
you're just lowering the object resolution
smoky flame
wait, it does? Well now. That is just confusing... The way I read the feature from AMD is that the contrast aware side of it is doing some extra things that Nvidia's image sharpening isn't and I thought Nvidia's offering was just some standard sharpening option. Hardly anyone seems to talk about it. Even when the feature launched with last year's Gamescom driver
smoky flame
yeah, I get that part
full flint
Freestyle sharpening just sharpens the overall image.
also, specifically referring to FidelityFX CAS
which I'm pretty sure some games leave the "CAS" portion out, as I think FidelityFX in general is the CAS
smoky flame
nice 👍
full flint
nice, just upgraded to a Ryzen 3600, but i'm keeping my 1080 till we have a couple generations of Raytracing under our belts.
rigid oar
Is there a way to view steam game captures thru the Xbox mobile app
zenith bay
Is there a way to view steam game captures thru the Xbox mobile app
@rigid oar no but you could just message them to someone and view from there
smoky flame
went and got myself a 5700 XT earlier today. Red Devil model
tribal pilot
nice hows it working so far?
smoky flame
waiting for it to deliver. Should be some time today
rare cosmos
cedar smelt
Is the Ryzen 3600 still a decent CPU for the price or has time passed it by?
I'm thinking about going for Ryzen 3600 (or similar) with maybe 5700 XT.
surreal moss
It’s a good budget cpu
cedar smelt
I'm a budget kinda guy.
£800-£900 maybe a tiny bit more if I really feel I have to.
That's 'budget' for a gaming PC.
I just want to make sure that before I buy it there aren't better options for similar price.
heavy marsh
just bought a 3600 myself 2 months ago. pretty happy with it
smoky flame
I can now say I have experienced both AMD and Nvidia GPUs. My new 5700 XT arrived earlier today and I've had some time to mess with it. A lot quieter and cooler than my 1080 Ti. Performance is much the same, as I'm well aware of but I got this to see what I'd think of AMD GPUs and yeah, I'm quite liking it so far 
cedar smelt
Oh uh, I have a little concern. Apparently some of the Socket AM4 (that's right, isn't it? Motherboards will need a firmware update to use 3600? Is there any way to be sure that I won't have to do that? I don't have a previous Ryzen.
smoky flame
buy either a B450 MAX*, B550 or X570 motherboard if you want to avoid that
- not 100% sure if you still need to update firmware on those motherboards. Some may still require it and if so best bet would be to go either B550 or X570
surreal moss
If you’re buying anything 400 series (b450, X470, etc) it’s hit or miss
Just buy something that’s 500 series
400s were made for the 2nd gen ryzens. 500s for the 3rd gen (yours)
You’ll ensure out-of-the-box compatability and also ensure you have the proper supplemental motherboard specs to use your CPU to its fullest potential
tribal pilot
Ok so to be able to get a pc that plays everything on ultra and get the most bang for my buck. Am I looking at around 1100 to 1200. Or Can I go cheaper then that?
smoky flame
what resolution will you be playing at?
errant sorrel
Also what currency are you talking about?
tribal pilot
2k or 1080. Also dollars.
looking at getting a pc for the wife but just shopping for now still going to wait for end of year to see when stuff starts coming out hopfully.
past eagle
My build is just about done @smoky flame I just need to order my gpu and assemble it
smoky flame
nice! 👍
smoky flame
smoky flame
better to build a PC rather than buy pre built
fleet vine
I’m only 13 so I’m not able to at the moment and don’t wanna risk it that’s why
@smoky flame can I send you a link to a pre hilt and can you tell me if it’s good?
ruby spear
Maybe see if someone can help you. You're not going to get much for $800 in a pre-built.
fleet vine
Want the link to the one I’m looking at?
autumn sluice
@fleet vine i was in your position in january about building my first pc. linus tech tips does a really good pov pc build that i watched on my tv while i built mine. came out perfectly. its better to learn now because eventually youll need these skills
warm palm
any one want to play some game pass games?
autumn sluice
jade sphinx
@fleet vine building a PC is not hard at all trust me. just watch a few tutorials on youtube and memorize the steps and be familiar with it
jaunty obsidian
Guys, please, help(
I got the Elite Series 2, but it's switching off by itself while playing
Via Bluetooth
jaunty obsidian
Have no idea, what to do...(
full flint
is it fully charged? and is the firmware up to date? as well as your bluetooth drivers?
jaunty obsidian
is it fully charged? and is the firmware up to date? as well as your bluetooth drivers?
@full flint Yes, yes and yes!
spark viper
Hey guys, I'm thinking of getting a pc. I'm not one to dwell on graphics but I don't want a potato. I just want it to run smoothly and decent graphics. I play games like brawlhalla, minecraft(online and offline), rocket league and racing games like forza. What are internals/websites would you guys recommend?
stable dust
PC Part Picker is a good place to start
I would recommend a mid range computer, nothing high end
spark viper
Thx, what process would that end up in?
bright ravine
I recommend a GTX 1650 Super and a Ryzen 3 3100 if you wanna save money.
dusky harness
Does anyone know if you connect Xbox one controller to pc via Bluetooth if audio and mic will work with a headset plugged into controller ?
spark viper
Does anyone know if you connect Xbox one controller to pc via Bluetooth if audio and mic will work with a headset plugged into controller ?
@dusky harness it should work, try it
I recommend a GTX 1650 Super and a Ryzen 3 3100 if you wanna save money.
@bright ravine sorry I meant price
dusky harness
@spark viper I don’t currently have a windows pc at home 😩
I’ll have to try at work
spark viper
Oh ok thank you for responding so fast
meager trout
hot seal
think its still that while in Beta but could change.
full flint
Hello all, I have a strange question. I bought this few years back, did me good https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01691M0QA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Now the RB button is stuck, tried cleaning it and everything still won't work. So it's been neglected and I'm using my Ps4 controller on PC.
I was wondering if I bought just a normal xbox one controller online, I won't need to use the dongle and just connect it to my pc through bluetooth right?
Appreciate the help, tyvm cuz tbh I prefer to use a xbox controller for pc. To me it just feels better, the grip is more comfortable.
ruby spear
Yes, you can connect via bluetooth
full flint
so if buy a controller for xbox one it will work for pc via bluetooth right?
ruby spear
Yes
The original model of the controller - and the Elite v1 - don't have bluetooth, but unless you're buying pre-owned you're unlikely to get an original one at this point.
jaunty obsidian
https://i.imgur.com/i9490os.png
@ruby spear I was sure, that everyone already knows it...
spark viper
I didn't
grand wren
I just found out how to make ur wire headphones mic work on a wireless controller
tame terrace
😑
dusky harness
@grand wren Do you mean with the xbox one controller connected via bluetooth to PC?
smoky flame
think I just seen the most amount of ram taken from any game installed on my PC. 13GB. That's getting a bit close to the 16GB I have for my liking. Just as well for my CPU upgrade I'm considering getting a 32GB kit
full flint
They say FFXV consumes much more
graceful marlin
do you get the annoying bug of games don't starting when you press the play button on game pass PC app?
full flint
yo
wise swallow
Most recently happened to me with gears V, @graceful marlin. I just Uninstalled and re downloaded the game to get it to play
rigid verge
I have a semi potato pc
past eagle
No harm in upgrading to 32gb, I went with 32gb ram when building my pc just because I have multiple programs I open at once @smoky flame
smoky flame
only thing that bothers me is I'm considering upgrading sooner than I wanted to which means if I upgrade in the near future (Around the time Zen 3 launches) it may be my next upgrade after that will need not only a new CPU and motherboard but new RAM too since it won't be that long before we see DDR5. One thing though. Zen 3 + 32GB of RAM should do a good few years so there is that. I clearly can't make up my mind and my current CPU, Intel i7-6700K has been around for nearly 5 years now 😦
smoky flame
don't know when it went live but Horizon Zero Dawn preload is live. Doing it now. Showing as a 67.1GB download
errant sorrel
Oh let me see
wanton junco
So I have a question. I used to play Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six siege on console and now play on pc. However I want to use my controller settings I had on my elite on console on pc but I cant get the game to recognize them. Any suggestions?(edited)
I have taken to the internet to no avail as well as the Steam forums and Microsoft forums
smoky flame
download the xbox accessories app on the microsoft store and that should recognise your controller and from there create a profile for that game
full flint
If anyone wants to be Monster Hunter World buddies PM or add me :)
full flint
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1364020/__BOUNDARY/ looking forward to this one
graceful marlin
Man, it sucks that Darksiders Genesis and Man of Medan aren't available on PC Game Pass... I thought that MS was starting to be even on the releases from now on but doesn't seem the case :'(
open belfry
I mean we got Gears Tactics and Flight Sim Early
🤔 I imagine Microsoft has a harder time making deals on PC since there are more competing market places
full flint
smoky flame
yeah, seems like my concerns were true. Hopefully some of these things can be fixed or is this very much a take it as it shows or leave it thing now?
Shame since Death Stranding runs so well. I had expected much the same
full flint
KojiPro did Death Stranding's build, Virtuos handled HZD
Virtuos is known for crappy ports
smoky flame
I see. Well, I just hope it doesn't cause too much issues. This is a game I was looking forward to seeing come to PC. A bad port, provided it isn't catastrophic isn't going to stop me from playing it
full flint
it doesn't seem to be a horrible port
just not what you'd expect quality-wise given how good Death Stranding's was
eternal birch
waxen thistle
guys, i just installed the new Xbox app the beta one. Do i still need the old companion app? im new to this
full flint
depends on what you're trying to do
some features aren't available on the xbox app for windows yet. as the console companion still acts like a companion for the console
waxen thistle
i don't have the console but i play few Xbox titles
full flint
there's still some features that it can do, but won't matter if you don't have a console
waxen thistle
ok thank you
smoky flame
I keep forgetting Steam's unpacking takes so long 😦
all this wait better be worth it after all. Been seeing more people talk of HZD's poor port and I don't like how it is sounding. Fingers crossed this game doesn't go from being one I've waited for to one I refund the same day it launches all because of a really poor port
full flint
surreal moss
surreal moss
I’m planning on getting a new mobo/cpu with mine so I’ll probably just go for the second best
All depends on cost
full flint
an arm and half a leg
smoky flame
that 24GB must be a Titan class replacement, not a 2080 Ti. Honestly I don't believe in any of these rumours any more. Waiting for the actual products to launch
surreal moss
It wouldn’t be a titan replacement. The current already has 24gb
smoky flame
wow, well then. It is safe to see we'll probably see a 2K non Titan GPU and the new Titan RTX is going to cost 4K then. I can't see a GPU with 24GB sell for less than £1500
full flint
They'll probably push it to mark around 1300 for the 3080Ti
smoky flame
we'll see. Nvidia going from 11GB to 24GB would be huge. This will most likely be GDDR6X too
full flint
You have to think of everything people will need to start pushing in a couple of years
For when games actually do start looking like the UE5 demo, but also add things like Ray-tracing while playing at 4k
NVIDIA is focusing on 4k@120 as their next big thing for rasterization. But also want RT performance to be up to snuff
full flint
wait until the XT models
tender cosmos
Guys how can i play nba 2k 19 on my laptop since im grounded from the xbox any way?
ruby spear
Buy it on PC
full flint
So Christmas is coming soon and I’m getting a PC for it and I don’t know what to do I’m only 13 and I’ve read many articles about pc's some say to buy some online some say to get a pre-built and most of them say to make your own pc but I’ve never built any
ruby spear
Building your own, or getting someone you know to build it for you, is the best option. You will get better hardware for your money.
Pre-built PCs are either under-specced for the price, or hugely overpriced.
full flint
But how do I know which piece goes where and my friends don’t know how to make pcs they’re all on Xbox or PS4 and I don’t even know where to begin with but also matter the fact I’m still 13 so I’m barely educated with technology
full flint
But if I’m building my own there is no manual, my parents aren’t really into technology, they only technology they know are IPads and phones from 30 years
ruby spear
Yes there is a manual. Motherboards come with manuals for where everything needs to be connected.
As do other parts.
full flint
First of what is a motherboard and what other parts do I even need to build a working functional pc, therefore I also know that if I mess up Once the whole thing could go BOOM
ruby spear
Either do some research, or buy a pre-built PC
full flint
Most people say just buy a regular pc and slowly make your way up or build your own, they say pre built isn’t worth buying because you can make your own for cheaper amounts of money
ruby spear
You can, but if you don't even know what a motherboard is, then it's not going to be easy.
So you need to commit to it, learn what things are, research, watch videos, read manuals.
full flint
Well it’s a long while till Christmas I can probably fit in the time to do all the research I need
ruby spear
Otherwise, you'll have to pay more for a prebuild.
full flint
Well I have spoke with other Pc accounts on socials about what is the best pc to get, “they say don’t buy a pre-built it’s pointless buying one because you can build your own for cheaper and more graphics, or you can buy a regular working pc and slowly make your way up the top!”
But i guess I can still do my research it’s a while till Christmas anyway
ruby spear
Like I said, it's possible. You just need to at least have some knowledge.
It's cheaper to build a table with some bits of wood than it is to buy one, but if you don't know what a saw is, you're gonna have a pretty crappy table.
full flint
I know what a saw is. I’m not that stupid and I’ve used a saw to help my dad build tents and sheds
ruby spear
Completely missed my point there, but okay
full flint
Oops
surreal moss
Learn to build your pc
Because unless you feel like having someone come to your home, or sending your pc out for repairs every time something doesn’t work (which is going to happen), you’re gonna need to know anyway.
What happens when your ram needs replaced because you need more? You’re gonna look up how to change it. Or you could’ve just done that in the first place and built your own
What happens when your GPU ages and you want to buy a new one in a few years? Or your CPU needs upgraded, which means you need a new motherboard as well? Or you buy an extra HDD and need to learn to format it? You’re gonna learn how to do everything anyway.
Unless you feel like buying a whole new prebuilt every 4-5 years
In which case have fun burning money
autumn sluice
also 90% of prebuilt pc's power supply is a literal ticking time bomb
full flint
hey guys
full flint
The Horizon Zero Dawn PC experience®️
Pretty rough
I hope they can get it fixed soon
errant sorrel
Luckily no issues for me so far
full flint
I hope last screenshot is Dreams version lol
You imply the Dreams version would look that bad
They could get help from Kojima , I guess. I hope it'll get fixed
azure flicker
Be me
I haven't encountered anything off about HZD
Oh and finally got my free copy of assassin's creed Valhalla
full flint
Kojima already helped by actually optimizing the engine and adding compatibility for current GPUs with the help of NVIDIA and AMD
and breaking the 30fps engine limit
surreal moss
Making games with double digit limits in 2020 
surreal moss
Understandable
sterile thunder
Anyone know off hand which gamepass games are 32-bit?
All I've found so far is Minecraft lol
worldly ravine
Crosscode
worldly ravine
because Bethesda made the original Quake free, it is also DRM-free, because it is single-player and doesn't require internet, meaning you can also delete the launcher
smoky flame
Horizon Zero Dawn at 1080p, maxed settings (minus motion blur) and Radeon Image Sharpening enabled
full flint
full flint
@surreal moss @smoky flame
looks like it's happening
Sept 1st though, not late aug
which means we might see a December/January launch
smoky flame
yeah, quite excited to see what is announced. People can soon put these rumours to bed
depending on price I may got back to Nvidia otherwise it could make me breakfast, lunch and dinner for all I care but if price is too high (remains the same or higher than 20 series) I will wait to see what AMD brings to the table with RDNA 2 which should work out cheaper and more than powerful and impressive enough for its value
full flint
it'll definitely be at least the same as the 20 series
since unlike 20 series it has the same tech, but much much higher specs
errant vigil
Hi so companion app isnt working properly .My mic works fine on Discord and other services, but for some reason the Xbox Companion app isn't working. I've tried changing the audio settings both on the Xbox app and Windows to other devices, made sure my privacy settings allowed my mic to be used on the Xbox app, hard resetting the Xbox app, restarting my PC, plugging my headset/mic out and back in, messed around with my mic settings on Windows and the Game Bar. For some reason, my microphone, specifically in an Xbox One party chat using the Xbox Companion app, doesn't seem to work.
Both the Xbox app and Windows is up to date. Like I said before, the party chat is picking up my mic evidenced by the flare when I speak, but my friends can't hear me and I can't hear them. I've looked up and tried almost every troubleshoot option online and nothing is working,
It says sample rate is not support for like 3 secs and then disappears
if anyone could help it would make my day
obsidian bobcatBOT
Please refer to #233805809346150400 for support related issues. People will assist if/when they are able to.
autumn sluice
anyone know a simple driver manager?
full flint
Device Manager
autumn sluice
full flint
I wonder price
old loom
new GTX 1660 Super vs used GTX 1070
the 1660 super will be like $15 more
I don't plan on keeping it too long, just until RTX 3060 comes out
old loom
I hope the RTX 3060 is launching this year but idk if it will. GTX 3080 for sure
old skiff
fickle mural
@old skiff if your gonna build it why not a Ryzen 7 at least? Seems like your going big on the rest and for a tiny bit more you could go up to the 7
smoky flame
I'd drop the AIO cooler. Air cooling can do a fine enough job, even with Ryzen CPUs. You might want to test how the cooler provided in the box does. If you aren't happy with the temperatures then get a better air cooler. Hell of a lot cheaper either way
also that ram. Try and find a 2x 16GB 3600 MHz CL16 kit
for the GPU, maybe consider the 5700 XT over the 2070 Super. 5700 XT should work out cheaper and in terms of performance they are similar
full flint
I’d hold off to see what NVIDIA drops on us
Unless you can find a decent condition preowned for cheap
smoky flame
yeah, that too
jovial crest
Man I tell you guys what, I loved playing Perfect Dark on the xbox 360 when it re-released back in 2010, wished Microsoft would release it on Windows 10 now! haha
Anyway I can ask Microsoft for a request 😉
tribal pilot
So when the new graphics cards come out are they all going to be around the same price point as the previous generation? Or are they going to be exponentially more expensive?
smoky flame
no idea as yet. All will be revealed soon though
lunar wave
holq
surreal moss
full flint
laughs in disable express boot
surreal moss
laughs in 3.9s boot
full flint
But seriously I must celebrate the genius who thought bypassing BIOS enter sequence entirely on launch is a good idea
stoic shadow
pp gaming
worldly ravine
?
ashen mango
i am having an issue with the xbox game bar overlay where i can't resize the spotify tab you can have on there, wondering if anyone has a solution
tribal pilot
Trying to delete the game save for shadows of mordor to start a new game. Any ideas?
full flint
Anyone play fall guys
full flint
Hey guys, i have minecraft on my xbox one, can i play on pc without buy again?
surreal moss
No
However you can crossplay if it’s the newer Xbox version or the win 10 version
(Both are bedrock edition)
snow swan
fall guys is fun as hell
woeful kettle
@full flint Yes and no
If they have owned a mojang account before 2017 they could claim a free version of windows 10 edition
full flint
Is Microsoft Flight Simulator easier with a controller or keyboard?
ruby spear
Use a combination of the two.
Analogue controls are always better for flying or driving games, but Flight Sim has a lot of buttons so keyboard is useful for other stuff.
full flint
Okay
full flint
Or spend money and buy one of those ultimate systems where you're literally inside of cockpit
native grotto
Can someone show me what they pc setup look likes because I need help
full flint
such as?
cedar stone
did anyone else have an issue with installing Flight Simulator? Installed fine but the content download (~91 GB) stops at 27GB. Not to mention how LONG it takes to download and I have a pretty good internet connection.
ruby spear
Yes, several people did. You need to restart the game to give it a nudge from what I saw.
cedar stone
Alright will try that. It stopped twice at 27GB after which I restarted the installation, but im fed up after the third time.
Thanks though
slate thicket
full flint
@slate thicket yes.
vocal cargo
Has anyone got the new flight simulation and is it worth the over 100GB download?
surreal moss
Yes
full flint
Yo
umbral meadow
Okk
So to refresh the question I need the best build for around $1,500 USD, it can be a little more just need sum to work with
Preferably Amazon parts but it doesn't matter too much
smoky flame
do you already have stuff like keyboard, mouse and monitor or is that budget to include that too?
umbral meadow
Exclude those yea
smoky flame
ok, I'll see what I can come up with. Now isn't a great time to build a PC with so much stuff coming out soon. Nvidia have an event in less than 2 weeks with everyone expecting the announcement of their next GPUs. AMD will also have new GPUs and CPUs on the way by the end of the year. Just some stuff to keep in mind
umbral meadow
Would that make current parts cheaper?
smoky flame
it might but current parts may not offer performance all that great to what may soon be available
what resolution are you planning on gaming at?
umbral meadow
Ok well as long as it's in the $1,500 USD budget range or a bit higher that's my only worry, I'm not building till November or so I just want a bit of planning some for what I can do now
And whatever will fit best in my budget tbh
smoky flame
yeah, best wait then and see what comes out. Busy next few months ahead
umbral meadow
Ok great thx
unique quartz
does anyone know how a i5 9400 8gb ram gtx 1650 would run fs
ruby spear
thick haven
does anyone know how a i5 9400 8gb ram gtx 1650 would run fs
@unique quartz it will
autumn sluice
Ofc they will
astral flame
does anyone have terraria :(( i just got it on my pc and need some materials
full flint
does anyone have terraria :(( i just got it on my pc and need some materials
@♡stormy♡#9839 go into the terraria discord server
And ask them
full flint
worldly ravine
Oh they're definetly going to celebrate that https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/hitman/standard-edition
Confirmed next free game
full flint
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-08-20-epic-snaps-up-hitman-3-as-another-pc-store-exclusive
they're serious?
I swear IO Interactive is slowly forgetting what is being customer friendly
There's no way I'm buying it
I won't purchase H2016 and H2 again to access legacy content
smoky flame
Doesn't bother me. Epic are doing free games. Don't see Steam do that often. For that I'd say Epic are pretty... Epic. Already got a library of games on Epic that makes my Steam library jealous so I'm not complaining. Just tha backlog continues to grow with every passing week 😄
full flint
don't see steam do that often? you must not be paying attention
of my 240 games, I've only bought 50 or so
the rest were free
a lot are games I may never touch, but free nonetheless
full flint
Sub, problem is Hitman III would normally give legacy content for previous game owners. Now that it's 12 months Epic exclusive I have to wait for Steam release, invaildating one of their promises.
I'd still buy legacy packs just to support them but it's really a scummy move and I'm tired of their nonsense
smoky flame
yeah, it is likely I don't pay attention but at the same time I sure don't see these seemingly mythical Steam freebies. Knowing my luck I've missed out on something good at one time or another too :(
G-Man, I'm sure they will add some sort of Steam integration where you could sync the progress of previous Hitman games you own on Steam to this new one on Epic and it would still award legacy content etc. Just becuase the game (Hitman 3) is exclusive to Epic doesn't mean to say they have forgotten about their fanbase I'm sure. Epic just seem to offer deals devs can't refuse so they take it. Probably something to do with the lower cut Epic takes compared to Steam but I'm sure there is more to it than just that
lean finch
Your stuff still carries over from hitman 2 on steam even with 3 being on the epic store
surreal moss
smoky flame
sure hope that isn't real. People probably going to need to buy a new case
would like to see even a reinforced pcie slot keep that thing straight
full flint
it was always rumored to be larger
don't count on it not being real
Ouch it really is big lol
smoky flame
at least Nvidia have moved on from blower style coolers but that design sure looks interesting. There's another fan on the other side right?
full flint
I mean if that's not troll then F for those who have small case
full flint
you're not buying a 3090 for a small case anyway
full flint
at the least you'd have a Full-ATX
with a good bit of room in management
Makes sense but what if that's standart size for all cards?
but that's pushing it
there's always aftermarket cards
surreal moss
They’re not gonna make them all that size
smoky flame
yeah, oops. I should have compared it to my 5700 XT Red Devil. That thing was quite a bit bigger than my 1080 TI FE was. Somewhat afraid it may end up sagging
full flint
besides, traditionally the x90 cards have always been dual-gpu cards
smoky flame
I don't think this will be dual GPU. Why would Nvidia suddenly return to dual GPU? I've looked up SLI/NV link more and I still stand by what I said in the past on it. Like it or now. Dual GPU has little use for gamers. Less and less games are supporting it and worse still multi GPU support in the likes of DirectX 12 games seems too much effort for devs to even bother with so if this 3090 or whatever it becomes is dual GPU it clearly isn't a gaming GPU. Rather, some over the top monstrosity
full flint
They always return to dual GPU
it's independent of SLI
it's literally two GPU die on a single PCB
surreal moss
The card in the picture does not have a bridge
full flint
I mean, if nVidia decided to update SLI I don't really think they've entirely left dual GPU solutions
surreal moss
They’ll never toss multigpu support because gaming isn’t everything
They’ll have the titan 3000 and that’ll have bridge support
Not everyone has the money for server accelerators so Titans are the gap closer
Well technically quadros but yeah you get the point
smoky flame
Dual GPUs still need to recognise each GPU individually no? Some games may end up detecting two GPUs as multi GPU which if they lack support for only one may work and the other one ends up in an idle sort of state or something odd like that
full flint
Still, there's stuff that works well with SLI/NVlink/Dual GPU cards
surreal moss
That’s what happens if a game doesn’t have support. But there’s still games releasing with support
With 65” high refresh monitors releasing and 8k around the corner, SLI/crossfire will be utilized on a case to case basis instead, kind of like how it is now
smoky flame
and yeah, I get that gaming isn't everything. I read something just yesterday I think it was that Nvidia's "Geforce" gaming division is no longer their biggest earner
surreal moss
It’s only really going to be developed when needed. The main reason it’s not dev’d is because it’s just not needed and cards are getting good enough alone. If you build a game with a 300fps limit and a $600 card can do 250, you don’t need to waste the dev resources
You tell people to suck it because nobody is going to SLI 2080tis for Fortnite
full flint
Dual GPUs still need to recognise each GPU individually no? Some games may end up detecting two GPUs as multi GPU which if they lack support for only one may work and the other one ends up in an idle sort of state or something odd like that
Depends on how NVIDIA treats them
They could use them in tandem instead of the traditional form
Or, it’s a coprocessor
Which offloads all of the extreme tasks like BVH Calculations and ML
smoky flame
similar to how PhysX used to be?
smoky flame
hmm I could see the coprocessor thing being what it is rather than dual GPU
full flint
That’s less speculation
Most likely is it’s just NVIDIA making sure that they can say they have the strongest card
Just in case AMD pulls out something nearly strong
Wouldn’t be the first time
smoky flame
I doubt they will but you never know. Even then, as everyone likes to joke. AMD's drivers will likely let them down while Nvidia "just works"
surreal moss
I assumed a 2.5
smoky flame
nice so that image of what I thought was some over the top monstrosity isn't so. Just looks it when compared to a 2080 FE
surreal moss
No
smoky flame
2.5
surreal moss
The 2080 fe was just 2
smoky flame
it was?
smoky flame
and here I already have a triple slot GPU 😄
full flint
inb4 nvidia trend with just adding a slot with each flagship based on the series
40 series will be a 4-slot
surreal moss
6090 looks like a cpu air cooler
full flint
but longer
smoky flame
so that image above is pretty much on par, or close to triple fan design GPUs but with two fans
full flint
you have to buy a personal GPU-server but it's actually just your card
surreal moss
Everybody becomes a dual pc owner
full flint
eventually everyone has a personal data-center but the floor is actually the PCB
it'll be like old hard drives all over again
smoky flame
still over a week until this event 😦 Rumours etc going crazy. Worst one I seen was a GPU with a $2000 price tag. I sure hope they meant Australian Dollars lol
full flint
they meant US
I saw one theory that it could just be a marketing stunt
then they reveal it as $1300 and everyone's all "that's not so bad, thank god"
think it was Linus's channel
smoky flame
yeah, see I hope that $2000 USD doesn't come true then. If that is a non Titan card priced at $2000 I'm done with Nvidia. Who on Earth in these times will seriously pay that sort of money on a top end gaming GPU?
full flint
AMD pulls cards out at 1300
what then..intel?
I'm sure the Xe graphics will be out...eventually.
also
if you're paying for top end gaming...you're forking out the cash
if it's a consideration that you're going top end
you may look for sales, you may wait a bit
but ultimately you're still paying more than a majority
1080Ti vs 2080Ti launch
prime example
smoky flame
I didn't mind buying a 980 Ti that at the time could beat their Titan X at nearly half the price. Same with the 1080 Ti. Simialr prices, $649 and $699 then all of a sudden, out of the blue 2080 Ti comes along with $999* price tag
full flint
the 980 never actually beat the maxwell titan
paper specs were similar
but in-use performance was not
smoky flame
but still, double the price for such little gain back then
full flint
It wasn't really all that little. depending on what you were doing
smoky flame
even now, 2080 Ti to Titan RTX is much the same but the 24GB memory on the Titan RTX may just be enough to justify such a price, along with the extra performance it gains over the 2080 Ti being a full Turing GPU idk though
full flint
also on higher end games, the Titan pulls ahead by leaps and bounds in performance
2080Ti struggling to run Star Citizen, MS Flight Sim, Witcher 3, and FFXV at 4k 60 maxed out? the titan can take over from there
even during the 10-series in its prime, a 1080Ti couldn't max FFXV out, the only ones that could pull ahead were the respective titan cards, Titan Xp and Titan V
FFXV got DLSS though, so that's moot there admittedly
wait...I wonder if it upgraded to DLSS 2.0
smoky flame
but will it really improve much? If so something else must be at play. 11GB on the 2080 Ti should still be enough, even at 4K
full flint
on a lot of games, sure
at those games? it's the difference between 30fps and 60+
even star citizen still has hitches with a Titan though
occasional frame drops/stutters
smoky flame
Star Citizen sounds a mess. With the budget it has from fans I'd have expected it in a far better state by now
full flint
a lot of focus is on tech
which, is where no one has complaints
the weather and damage systems are amazing
if they can polish out the FPS combat a bit more to feel either CoD-like, or even like Crysis, it'd be great
the sheer scale is still breathtaking
smoky flame
yeah, sounds good and all but if people with Titan RTX, 10980 XE and 128Gb ram are the only sorts of people that can seemingly enjoy the game with a proper PC experience I'll take a hard pass on touching that game. Maybe get it when i can finally run it at maxed settings >60 FPS and 4K on a system that won't cost the equivalent of a new car
full flint
we're talking about a game that had a bundle package that cost $15,000
people build entire rigs around the game
full-vr cockpit rigs
or drop $800 on a new luxury ship
smoky flame
sounds crazy futuristic and expensive
full flint
not many games try to be as detailed as possible. even at the expense of fan ire on their single-player campaign
smoky flame
a game too far ahead of its time. Ambitious but I feel a great deal of risk is involved. Like what happens when the money from fans dries up? Not everyone has pockets like Elon Musk. Does this game suddenly die?
full flint
it's been around for...8? 7 years?
smoky flame
its only going to keep getting more expensive to develop. What started 7or 8 years ago to what it costs now I bet are complete opposites. I bet even some of the devs have to pinch themselves at what they are working on and the scale of it
really is pretty though
full flint
and also fun, relaxing, intense.
just go land on a moon and sit and watch the planetrise
smoky flame
is it playable at all on lower end hardware or not a chance?
smoky flame
6700K, 16gb ram and 5700 XT
surreal moss
LOL
full flint
uhh...5700XT?
hmmm
you could get away with low-mid
won't always be the smoothest
but you'll average 50-60
full flint
no one's hitting 360hz in that game lol
surreal moss
Halo infinite
full flint
one of the best feelings is doing an entry-burn though
until you come in too hot and explode and die >_>
smoky flame
damn. Yeah, as much as I want to see this properly for myself now I think I wil wait a little while longer. By that I mean probably a whole GPU generation Next, next gen. 40 series and RDNA 3
full flint
the city-planet is..
special
and I don't envy whoever's laboring over mapping it out either
but it's cyberpunk as hell
smoky flame
hah yeah, actually thought that was a Cyberpunk image for a moment
does Star Citizen have ray tracing?
full flint
nop. not yet
smoky flame
omg