pc-gaming

[full flint]

is that good or bad

Bad

However

Steelseries often has great sales and you can catch periferals at great value

When you can get an arctis 7 for like $80, you’re scoring greatly

Corsair never does sales and that’s why they suck extra

I'm UK btw
and that mouse was a lightning deal
though 2018

[flint aurora]

I actually prefer my o- over my GPW

Well old GPW that broke

[full flint]

I heare the model D- is coming too

[flint aurora]

Nice

It is

In terms of quality too, my 0- is better than my GPW. Still feels brand new whereas my broken gpw doesn't. It broke within 3 weeks

A lot of chores down the drain

[full flint]

ngl this is pretty cool
https://youtu.be/sRz_9HI93-s

[flint aurora]

Yeah it is actually

It's my birthday in 7 days if anyone cares too yay

[full flint]

think optimum tech did it for the g305
ah cool

[flint aurora]

I'm happy with my pc so I've asked for a Nintendo switch

I have to pay towards it but still 😁

[full flint]

great system imo but wouldnt get a regular one...
mainly because of price

unless you found a good deal

[flint aurora]

My parents said that they won't pay a pound over retail price

[full flint]

£279.99 on argos buy asap

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/grl5in/msi_b550_launch_pricing_announced_starting_at_119/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

May update is available

I'll wait a bit

this is almost poetic

[smoky flame]

you having issues getting the update to start Dark? Mine stops with "Something went wrong"

[flint aurora]

@full flint I'm not buying it oof and I'm not allowed to talk about it

To them

Thanks for the heads up anyway

[full flint]

sold out now anyway

[autumn sluice]

ok so i just saw the posted build. please tell me thats not an actual build being worked on?

like ew

[ruby spear]

It's not. They posted in General that they had been messing around and put together the ultimate PC.

[autumn sluice]

thank god

[full flint]

“Ultimate”

Lul

[autumn sluice]

that pc would faceplant

[trim zinc]

didn’t even use the quadro rtx

sad

[ruby spear]

The unstoppable force contains its own immovable object.

[full flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sWbpYH

There’s your god gaming PC

[keen knot]

problem with futureproofing with the absolute top of the line hardware is it's not cost effective in the long or short term

[full flint]

Pc gaming is not cost effective

You want cost effective you get a console

[autumn sluice]

i mean

it can be

example: 1650 super

[smoky flame]

with a case the size of the 1000D from Corsair you would be as well building a second PC within that case. I heard that is possible. How the experience of building two systems in one case is I wouldn't know. Would be pretty awesome I'd imagine. Cooling would be the only thing I'd be concerned about. 2x the CPU, ram and GPU = quite a bit more heat circulating around the case at any one time (when both systems are in use)

[full flint]

You’re still gonna spend $600 or more in the end.
Or you can get an Xbox one X for $300 instead

It’s possible. And you basically just do a custom loop and do 2 radiators with their own loops for each system, or just do a single loop with 2 radiators as close to halfway as possible

[smoky flame]

so air cooling wouldn't be an option in a situation like that where there is two systems in the one case?

[full flint]

You can absolutely air cool all of it

But you’re gonna have to move a lot of air to be effective

[smoky flame]

yeah, I was thinking something along those lines. Especially if what happened to be part of a dual system or whatever people want to call such a build could be ridiculously powerful. Could make for a very interesting build though

[full flint]

A loop will be much much quieter

[smoky flame]

think I'll mess with pcpartpicker myself and come up with something not so absurd in terms of specs but still really powerful. What other uses could a dual system case have? Ideal for streamers from what I understand but anything else?

[full flint]

The only real reason to use this over just building 2 PCs is to save horizontal space

https://i.imgur.com/yyEwOHK.png

[smoky flame]

wow space for 13 fans on the Corsair 1000D (10x 120mm and 3x 140mm). Can't imagine any single motherboard can support all that

[full flint]

it sure can

[smoky flame]

not without a fan controller or pairing them up though

ok, hold on it has space for up to 18x 120mm fans. That's a lot of RGB potential...

[full flint]

I love how we're discussing the case that I've been talking about for the past year now lol

[smoky flame]

I have been aware of the case for a while but considering price and the sheer craziness about it I've never really looked at it properly

[full flint]

and whose fault is that

:^ )

[smoky flame]

one thing. I'd hate to be the one lifting such a case. Would give just about anyone quite the workout 😄

[full flint]

I think it’s only like what, 40-50lbs

It’s just big

[smoky flame]

is that the weight with two PCs etc built in it or just the weight of the case bare?

noctua still some of the best fans? Going to add 18 120mm Noctua case fans to this build 😄

between the cost of the case and 18 fans alone that's about £1000 and I haven't even got to configuring one system yet...

[full flint]

It’s a flagship case. Meant for flagship builds

[smoky flame]

heh I think I'm struggling to come up with something without going completely crazy. Added a 10900K - Something I personally wouldn't use when messing with pcpartpicker any other time

think I'll give up lol. Might try again later when I'm more awake and with it 😄

[full flint]

I manage to get usb in first time but only if it has that logo

otherwise the 3 times applies

Even if it has that logo it never works for me

then again its for a laptop...

[smoky flame]

wanted to try minecraft RTX beta but it requires an RTX 2060 or greater to allow the RTX features 😦 Had no trouble enabling RTX in games like Metro Exodus and Control on my 1080 Ti before. Performance may have been horrible but it still allowed me a sneak preview

[autumn sluice]

thought:

what if xbox figured out a way to make it so ppl could use whatever cpu or gpu they wanted in the console and based on specs xbox tested, would let you use either low, medium, or high preset in a game. ik its not feasible but it would be cool to say go back to an xbox one nowadays and stick a ryzen 7 and a 1660 ti in there

[full flint]

odd combo imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERSft4HXyrI

[trim zinc]

because then you'd just be making a pc

defeats the purpose of a console

[ruby spear]

And is the opposite of what the vast majority of console users want and will cause unnecessary confusion and complexity.

[spiral gyro]

looks nice though

[full flint]

Like. Ultimately yes. You can install CUDA software and Quadro drivers from GeForce Experience. Why not just add the support for creative software to GeForce experience and rebrand it as NVIDIA Experience?

Creating two separate forks just pulls manpower away, even if NVIDIA has the staff, that’s still resources that could be better spent on actually polishing other software out

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/software/quadro-experience/

Yes. They could have. It’s literally just GeForce experience but with a rebranding for Quadro.

[full flint]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-B460-H470-motherboards-overclocking-asus

[cosmic kelp]

Would anyone mind helping with gamepads ultimate for pc

[full flint]

what do you need help with

[glacial fulcrum]

Intel b460

[full flint]

does anyone like minecraft?

[ruby spear]

It's alright. I can appreciate what its brought to gaming.

[full flint]

ok

[full flint]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sabrent-rocket-q-m2-ssd-8tb

now if only Sabrent made good drives

[full flint]

saw that a while back
qlc right?

[full flint]

gl
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/eve-spectrum-gaming-monitor-hdmi-2-1/

[pastel inlet]

Minecraft Dungeons supposedly only supports KBM or Xbox One controllers according to minecraft.net. Can anyone confirm that only specifically Xbox One controllers work, and not simply any xinput compatible controller?

[autumn sluice]

have u tried google

[autumn sluice]

[ruby spear]

No referral/recruitment links, please.

[full flint]

@burnt siren no advertising or self-promotion. #rules

[full flint]

wow this benq monitor is better than my old asus one
even though its only 60hz

[spiral gyro]

oof

[full flint]

and my old asus one was 144hz

probably cause 144hz is TN

yes
this benq is va I think

[dawn pawn]

So, i want to plan myself a gaming room with a 3D program, but idk which should I use, can someone suggest me one?

[spiral gyro]

depends, to you wanna use building specific program or just learn 3D modeling and do it all by hand?

[flint aurora]

@full flint not always TA

[full flint]

what?

[modern hamlet]

anyone play minecraft

not java editon

[full flint]

@full flint

sold

[trim zinc]

hahahahaa

[ruby spear]

What's the footnote for 'Gamers'? I want to know what their small print definition is. 😄

Oh wait, it's just an apostrophe, rather than a small 1 to mark a foot note.

[full flint]

yeah, there's no catch here. very consumer friendly and easy to understand 😹

[full flint]

Lol. I'm pretty sure every gamer knows that

[errant sorrel]

The fact that I have to use teamviewer weekly to do stuff like that for friends and family who play games proves that they dont 😄

[ruby spear]

Just take one short trip over to #233805809346150400 and you can see they don't. 😄

[wary oriole]

lol

[ruby spear]

No recruitment, please

[ruby spear]

@burnt siren No self promotion #rules

[burnt siren]

@ruby spear sry

[ruby spear]

And don't tag mods either

I suggest reading the rules mentioned above.

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/H0_NZDSqR3Y

[flint aurora]

When's ray traced Peppa pig out Nvidia hmm

[full flint]

@full flint you have to pay for online with the Xbox each year, so you're actually spending more money in the long run compared to PC

[ruby spear]

Don't tag mods, please.

[full flint]

Sorry

[smoky flame]

downloading Final Fantasy XV on my PC. Want to see for myself just how demanding that game is at maxed settings

[full flint]

dark will say yes

Pc will still cost more

Assuming you’re using your brain and paying for live in yearly chunks, you’ll spend $300 over 5 years

5 years of using a PC will mean your SSD will likely need replaced, as well as your thermal materials on your GPU, and you’ll probably be looking at component replacement all together for the whole setup

An Xbox will still work just as well 5 years later

meant in response to sub

[smoky flame]

so will a PC though. Provided the PC user hasn't exactly cheaped out and compromised on components to last so long there is ways PCs can last just as long as a console generation

[full flint]

I don't know anyone using 780tis in modern times

Xbox works in system wide generations. PC doesn’t.

Every year, something gets left behind.

[smoky flame]

I know for a fact the way I game wouldn't last the duration of a console generation. Maxed settings and all. Only saviour is playing at 1080p but I know I can't hold on to 1080p forever as sooner or later software and/or hardware bottlenecks will appear or 1080p gets phased out

[full flint]

At 5 years, your ram is closing in on being a generation behind. Cpu and mobo 2-5 gens. GPU 2. SSD is nearing end of life operation. Power supplies bronze or standard rates are closing in on failure if they haven’t already. Even if you bought all brand new flagship components 5 years ago, your PC will now be midrange at best and suffer because games and features were continuously optimized for brand new hardware, not your current hardware

Consoles will always have optimizations to achieve the best performance combination, regardless of age

Your 980ti will not

[smoky flame]

that's the thing I don't get about consoles. How can devs optimize for them considering how old the technology is behind them and that the PC equivalent (or as close to) shows some serious bottlenecking in todays games. If devs are making games for newer PC hardware won't it further harm the older hardware found in current consoles? Sure they are far easier to optimise for as opposed to PC but still

[full flint]

It’s not as bad as you’ve been made to believe

And most situations end up being that they don’t have the resources or manpower to design a modular enough engine

Or something of similar theme

Also consoles are much easier to optimize because of set hardware metrics

If everyone on the planet had a 3600x and 2070, pc gaming would be so much different

why not the regular 3600

Things wouldn’t clash with random third party apps, crashing would go way down, they’d have specific efficiency improvements based on the turing architecture, the list goes on

Just picked the two off the top of my head

think windows 10 also plays a factor too
the OS is built for the console I assume, as well as what you said

Xbox uses a custom OS based off of windows. And there’s only one OS

No building games for windows 7, 8.1, and 10

[smoky flame]

Haven't Microsoft pretty much killed off Windows 7 and 8.1 now?

[full flint]

It’s still around

People don’t like change, even if it’s for the better

when steam stops supporting windows 7 it will be phased out

[smoky flame]

hah yeah I can agree with that. I can never seem to adjust to change or it takes me quite a bit of time to adapt to it. Too set in certain ways

[full flint]

for me change is ok as long as it isnt a sudden one
took me a while before I started using windows 10
was 2 years after it came out but still
also was on macOS then so it was different

[smoky flame]

will admit this. I'm somewhat hesitant about upgrading my CPU but I know it will have to be done sooner or later. All the hassle of taking it apart, putting it all back together and downloading everything after a clean install puts me off the whole idea. A classic example of people not liking change

[full flint]

for me it would be a building a new pc fron scratch
depends how long the i7 8700 (non k) lasts

[smoky flame]

that CPU should do well for a fair few years yet. 6 core CPUs seem to be the sweet spot for newer games at the moment. Sweet spot being there is a slight gain to be had over 4/4 and 4/8 core CPUs but after 6/12 the gains somewhat fall off

I want to think I could see my 6700K last until DDR5 launches but I have my doubts about that. New consoles launching with a far more up to date CPU could spell trouble for older CPUs. Talk that those with hard drives may even be in trouble after the launch of these new consoles since their storage solution is much faster than any hard drive. 2021 and beyond could be a game changer is some way for a lot of gamers. Console and PC alike

[full flint]

yeah I am waiting on nvidia launch before deciding what to do with my pc

[smoky flame]

if my 6700K does manage to see me through to DDR5 launch I may just opt to go all out on a whole new system then. 2-4TB SSD, DDR5 ram, flagship Geforce GPU (unless AMD suddenly become very competitive) and of course Intel or AMD CPU. Basically this thing should be monstrous. So much so I may have to consider a monitor upgrade right off the back of it

[full flint]

that sounds like 2022 or 2023

[smoky flame]

yeah and that sounds way too far away to think of tbh

at this time though I'm sure you know my opinion on Intel CPUs right now. If not, my 6700K is Skylake. Might be almost 5 years old now but since none of Intel's CPUs have changed drastically I feel all I'd be doing is a sidegrade from my 6700K. Even something like the 10600K, 10700K really doesn't impress me much. Those cores are still based off 6th gen, 14nm Skylake only optimised 4 times and very likely taken to their limits

Hopefully by 2022/23 Intel will have finally moved on from 14nm and maybe I can consider Intel again

[full flint]

Don't you have to upgrade your console after every generation though?

And why would you have to get your SSD replaced?

And I hope the definition of "console optimization" doesn't mean making compromises such as dynamic resolution scaling

An AMD Radeon HD 7850 from 7 years ago can still run modern games today just as good as the consoles

what about the 780ti

[fluid wind]

could somebody help me? I've been having trouble with the xbox companion app

whenever i try to change my profile picture to a custom one it gives me an error telling me to try again later

[obsidian bobcat]

Custom gamerpics are currently disabled.

They require manual approval and due to Xbox staff working from home, they have temporarily disabled custom gamerpics to avoid creating excessive workload for support staff.

We don't have any info at the moment on when they will be available again.

[fluid wind]

it's been doing that for like a week

ok thanks

[smoky flame]

getting around the mid 80's in FPS with Final Fantasy XV at maxed settings so far. Didn't know the framerate cap only went as far as 120 FPS though

[full flint]

imagine playing at 60 fps

am i right

[smoky flame]

Stopped playing Final Fantasy XV but what I played of it I was pretty impressed. Kept above 60 FPS almost all the time I was playing it. Got as high as 91 FPS at times but it really likes to eat away at the ram and vram. Noticed 10GB+ on both when using RTSS

lucky the 1080 Ti has 11GB vram. Wouldn't have liked to see what may have happened if I was playing it on a GPU with less

[full flint]

1980s?

[trim flare]

😆

[full flint]

You can buy an awesome PC to $3398 lol

[full flint]

@full flint he finally did the video on that effectively M.2 raid card

[full flint]

Holy

Yes. Yes.

It’s very expensive though. But I want one. But it’s not available in the US Yet

[lucid marlin]

Anybody up for some fivem. Dm me i want some people to rp with me.

[obsidian bobcat]

If you're looking for someone to play with, please go to #587074461770186765

[robust root]

yo so im tryna get a pc for like $300 ik im not supposed to expect much. im not tryna stream or anything, can any1 help a fellow looking to become a pc user?

[full flint]

Not gonna happen

[ruby spear]

Do you at least have all the peripherals already like keyboard, mouse and monitor?

[full flint]

I don’t think I could physically build a PC for $300

[ruby spear]

Not brand new, no.

[full flint]

Oh yeah well sure

Anything is possible in the used market

But like even if I went on PC part picker and sorted all categories by lowest price first, I don’t think I could make one capable of even running old browser games

[ruby spear]

Funny how there's all those claims about building a PC that's better than an XB1, yet when it comes down to it, there's no building a PC for that price. 😄

[full flint]

When you can secure manufacturing contracts to produce millions of the same set of parts, that price to performance ratio gets reaaaaaal good

This is the cheapest PC I can physically put together that wont be crushed by a console
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TGN83t

I mean an Xbox one X will still best it, and they’re only $300

[robust root]

im not looking for prebuilt, tryna just find parts by itself

aait nvm didnt click on the link

and im not tryna best a xbox one x, just have something that can use a elgato capture card and play basic games without recording/streaming

[full flint]

Do you already have the capture card?

[robust root]

yeah

its my brothers, he doesnt use it and he doesnt mind me using it

[full flint]

Also I can probably do better if you focus on just a streaming/recording PC.

[robust root]

also does it say its $300 for you? for me it says $400

[full flint]

Unless that’s not what you’re trying to do

[robust root]

oh please do, that would be best

[full flint]

Yeah. That’s the cheapest I could build that’s a complete system

[robust root]

im not that smart when it comes to pc building

[full flint]

I won’t build a $300 pc. It will barely function

[ruby spear]

What do you consider to be 'basic games'?

[thorny cypress]

also, none of that includes an OS cost yet 😉

[robust root]

eh minecraft tbh, friends always beg me to play

and terraria, 1.4 update excites me

those games should be fairly easy to run

[ruby spear]

See, despite looking basic, it's quite a demanding game at times.

[full flint]

Can’t go cheaper if you’re gonna game. If you want a good streaming/recording pc, I could remove the GPU and go with a beefier cpu that has an iGPU. But you’re not gonna be gaming on it

It won’t be able to run most games above 30 FPS

If that

especially MC Java

MC Java is an extremely demanding game, especially when you add mods

[robust root]

that would be very neat, yeh i dont think i will be gaming on it tbh, just using it to record my xbox n stuff

cuz xbox recording on the system dont look too great

[full flint]

Down the road you could just buy a GPU and plug it in anyway

[robust root]

yeah ofc

[full flint]

So I’ll make a new build

[robust root]

that would be very nice of you if you could

[grim sluice]

this isnt really pc related but when i play keyboard and mouse on xbox it doesnt register my clicks, for example when i click super fast it clicks about 7 cps

And its kind of annoying and i wanted to know if it was just xbox

but my mouse is fairly new

[ruby spear]

Can you change your avatar, please? Pepe has too many negative associations that we don't want represented here. Thanks!

[full flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xnhhNq

Going the iGPU route wasn’t showing good results

So I went with a super small GPU and bumped up the cpu size

[robust root]

alrighty, sounds good

thanks for doing this btw

[full flint]

Sure thing

[robust root]

well i can save about $90 for buying the motherboard at bestbuy

i can get a mechanical keyboard for that lmao

[autumn sluice]

or save the money and get a generic lg keyboard for 10$

[errant sorrel]

Mechanical keyboards are well worth it in my opinion

Especially if the generic keyboard doesn't have anti-ghosting

[spiral gyro]

yeah

[full flint]

Want it to run 60fps 1080p res in gaming what’s the cheapest possible on pc

[ruby spear]

What kind of games?

[full flint]

Fortnite basically cuz that’s the only thing I play nowadays

[ruby spear]

If you look up the minimum required specs for Fortnite, you can base a build around that on pcpartpicker

[full flint]

What’s the cheapest gaming laptop

[latent yarrow]

I think the cheaper gaming laptops start around £750-800

You would be better off building a pc at that price, especially since you’d have an upgrade path too

[trim zinc]

gaming laptops generally will be less cost effective

the mobility adds a premium and if you don’t care much about that it just adds cost

[latent yarrow]

They usually not bad for upfront costs anymore, especially since they come with a screen and a keyboard, but you have an extremely limited upgrade path so if you want to play more demanding games in the future, you’d be out of luck

[covert notch]

Good morning everyone

[full flint]

$300 is doable for used parts

if you can find good deals I mean

[ruby spear]

If you're aiming for cheap gaming, you're better off with a console. If you want PC, it's not advisable to go cheap because it will not last you long.

At least not for gaming.

[full flint]

tbh it depends on the games you want to play
anything new i.e AAA get a console like series x etc
unless you want to record console gameplay (where you should just use an elgato capture card etc) it isnt worth it, especially for a first build
thats why I am mostly not touching my pc and getting series x
that $300 PC (Used) should play twitch shooters and older AAA games but nothing more...

the gpu is a gtx 970 4GB btw

yes prices have gone up but november 2020 is probably a better time to build
then series x will be out

[snow blade]

why is fh4 from the pc xgp not starting

[flint aurora]

Is it Updated?

[full flint]

uhh

why is the logo rainbow?

[gleaming kite]

Hi

[snow blade]

ye i downloaded it yesterday

[obsidian bobcat]

The month of June is a worldwide celebration of both LGBTQ individuals and the history of the LGBTQ movement. Pride commemorates the Stonewall Riots. On June 28, 1969, the police arrived at the Stonewall Inn, a gay bar in Greenwich Village. The 200 patrons inside didn't just sit down and wait to be arrested — they resisted, then rioted, sending the police a loud and clear message about their frustration with the status quo for LGBT individuals. Love is love, and we celebrate it.

[smoky flame]

looks like I missed quite a bit in here

[full flint]

yes

@full flint YOOO

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-exos-x14-enterprise-st12000nm0008-12tb/p/1Z4-002P-00JV2?Item=1Z4-002P-00JV2

43% off

$285

Im best pvper in pc

Rekt L

[smoky flame]

had originally posted this in #general-chat but I deleted it. Think this channel is more suitable. https://www.techpowerup.com/267925/ I don't get why a trailer for a game would be shown with an Xbox logo when the game wasn't even run on a Series X

[full flint]

the devs stated it would look identical on SX

and have since improved upon it even since then

scorn's been around for years

they also said an rtx 2070 super will do 4K 60 with a mixture of settings

as would a 1080

https://store.steampowered.com/app/698670/Scorn/

Steam

Scorn

Scorn is an atmospheric first-person horror adventure game set in a nightmarish universe of odd forms and somber tapestry.

Release Date

TBD

▶ Play video

it's been on my wishlist since it had its steam page launched several years ago

they used an amd cpu as well

[smoky flame]

what's held them up?

[full flint]

didn't meet their standards

and adding more to the game

[smoky flame]

ahh cool. Looks really horrific lol.

[full flint]

really all that article is, is clickbait for elitests

even the interview is
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/scorn-interview-xbox-series-x-is-a-very-balanced-system-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti/amp/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorn_(video_game)#Development

https://youtu.be/gwyRCptfi5Q

https://mspoweruser.com/scorn-interview-cpu-xbox-series-x-exclusive/
there is also this interview

there's plenty of vids of the game

[smoky flame]

my only gripe with it is the fact it wasn't actually running on a console but a PC. A system that by the sounds of it will have cost around $2000, maybe more. Makes me wonder how many more trailers we'll see do the same thing. It may be "identical" but the specs are not the same

[full flint]

doesn't matter

it'd be running on a devkit otherwise

specs wouldn't be the same

you're complaining for the sake of complaining

for a demo it would be fine
but as final gameplay not as much

and when I say final gameplay I mean what you expect to see when you play the game itself

which is not something that'd be shown now anyway since the game is not near release

don't forget the devkits have only been out for a few months

early gameplay on systems is extraordinarily unoptimized and choppy

even on PC

id say witcher 3 pax east is a good example...

or a game I'm testing currently. a month-old pre-alpha build and a Titan can't get higher than 20fps

https://gfycat.com/fluidflickeringbluebird

or this

don't worry. no NDA

[smoky flame]

I'd love to see what it takes for devs to get their games ready for a PC release. The fact that the PC version can't be optimized like the console version can be. Do devs just release some raw version of that game with some PC specific adjustments or is there a whole lot more going on?

[full flint]

there are PC optimizations

but there can't be fine-tuning to specific and highly optimized hardware profiles like there can be with consoles, even if the actual raw capabilities are lower

[smoky flame]

lol what's up with that gif?

[full flint]

extreme vibrations

there you go
harbor boxed did a video
https://youtu.be/MDGWijdBDvM

https://streamable.com/b4p1f

[smoky flame]

far cry new dawn is a pretty strange game. I think it has a limitation as I have seen benchmarks show off similar results for a 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti when clearly the 2080 Ti should be roughly 30% more powerful

why I mentioned far cry was in relation to the video Kronix.io linked and the first game to show was new dawn

[dawn pawn]

Is Ryzen 7 3800x and RX5000 xt a good combination?

[full flint]

Depends what you’re using it for

I just started playing FFXIV

[smoky flame]

@dawn pawn I take it you meant the 5700 XT? There is also the 5600 XT. As for the 3800X I'd say look at how much the 3700X is. They are pretty much the same CPU. Just one has slightly higher clocks and TDP. 3700X Should perform much the same as the 3800X just a little cheaper unless you are lucky enough to find prices almost identical then by all means go for the 3800X but then I'd recommend you get a B550 motherboard when they launch in a little over two weeks (June 16th)

[junior gate]

If anyone wants to play Minecraft duengons with then dm me

[lime veldt]

So I have non x ryzen 7 2700 will that bottle neck my rtx gigabyte 2070 super gpu?

[smoky flame]

shouldn't bottleneck

[lime veldt]

@smoky flame ok thank you

[smoky flame]

no worries. Enjoy gaming 🙂

[paper pilot]

What the... 😅 My Xbox app on Windows has become quite a mess of languages

1. is in Spanish
2. is in English
3. is in Danish

[errant sorrel]

I have the same on Xbox sometimes

I'm Dutch, live in France but my Xbox is set to English. It regularly mixes up all 3 languages 😂

[full flint]

I have some games in Japanese on the companion app.

Every single black ops 3 achievement is in Japanese

[errant sorrel]

Even had my store in italian at some point, no idea how that happened

[full flint]

I also see half English half Danish

[paper pilot]

You in Denmark, Bis? 🙂

[full flint]

Microsoft has Partnered with Duolingo

[paper pilot]

Hahaha, forced learning of languages, now included in Xbox Game Pass 😛

[full flint]

I am

[paper pilot]

Neat 😄 I'm in Denmark as well, though I'm not Danish. Been living here for 10 years (or will be 10 years in August)

[full flint]

Are you going to visit me?

[paper pilot]

I wouldn't be as creepy as to ask for someone's country to visit them uninvited 🙂

[full flint]

I’ll probably visit Denmark if there’s an X0– held there

Can you bring CAT?

Cat would probably throw up in flight

Then don't come!

[paper pilot]

I just lost track of the conversation

Who's CAT? 😅

[full flint]

I have a famously rambunctious cat

Cat is a cat

Named Cat

[paper pilot]

Oh, alright, that suddenly makes more sense 😛

I've been meaning to get a pet, probably a cat. Good company during these times especially...

[full flint]

Yeah!

[paper pilot]

British Shorthair. They are lovely

Camera-shy cat? 😛

[full flint]

No. Just spicy

And loud

Is this a pc-gaming cat?

[paper pilot]

That portrait photo mode 😛

[full flint]

Meow

We had a cat that exacly looked like Garfield in military service

We called him Garfield lol

He's also always hungry like him

And you fed him lasagna

I wish we had lasagna

[paper pilot]

Oh wow, apparently the entire Windows 10 store has gone nuts with its languages 😂

[full flint]

Windows Store is the reason why I own a Xbox

He’s a pc gamer cat

[paper pilot]

English text for "downloading", Danish for the menu tabs on top, Spanish for the game description and "offer" text...

Cat definitely adores that PSU a bit too much

I get it. It's the same PSU I have (I think) 😛

[full flint]

So how you can play games when you have cats? Aren't they hunting mouses?

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-punchline-gif-7320811

[paper pilot]

Some cats are more likely to get scared by mice 😛

[full flint]

Mine is more of a dog

I saw cats nuking dogs, they're not joking when they have kids

[paper pilot]

A friend of mine has a wonderful Persian munchkin cat. Adorable, but will ignore you most of the day until you're about to go to sleep, then she won't let you at all.

But put anything in the room she doesn't recognize and... all hell breaks loose.

I still enjoy taking care of her whenever the owners are going away for a trip

[full flint]

Cat the dog

When is Dark going to play a good MMORPG?

[paper pilot]

Only MMO I've ever really played is FF XIV. I tried a bit of Lord of the Rings Online back when it became free to play but I didn't last long

[full flint]

I started playing XIV 2 days ago

[paper pilot]

Oohhh nice 😄 Thoughts?

I'm in the Twintania server

Recently got a friend from Malmo convinced to join the game as well, so I've been walking him through it a bit

[full flint]

FFXIV is cool?

Can I become a dragoon black mage

[paper pilot]

You can do both 😛

[full flint]

Yeah it's cool

[paper pilot]

Actually the best part of that game is that you don't have to commit to one class from the beginning of the game

[full flint]

Committing one class is my speciality

[paper pilot]

You can change classes any second by just equipping the corresponding weapon, and you retain the level and equipment of each class you acquire

It's still good to have more than one in this case though. You get access to job-specific quests with an actual good story, and it lets you switch things up every now and then when you feel like changing the pace, or maybe help out a group to go through a dungeon when they are missing a healer

[full flint]

Is it like Dissidia FF? I mean, could we talk with Terra and Cecil for example

[paper pilot]

Nah, it's set in its own universe. There's a few cross-overs from different FF games, but nothing canon I think

[full flint]

Oh, well I have a LOT of FF games to finish...

[paper pilot]

Though I could not resist and I did recreate this little FFVI moment in the game...

[full flint]

Finished IV,After Years and 6

You can be tiny

So it's a 10/10 game

Magitek Armors had wings?

[paper pilot]

So I'm guessing you're a lalafell, Bis? 🙂

Uhmm seeing how it's based off FF6 I'll guess yes? Maybe they were too difficult to notice in pixel-art format 😛

[full flint]

Yes c:

And the height slider all the way down

[paper pilot]

Based on original artwork from FF6 I'm going to go with yes, those are wings

[full flint]

But really I hated FFV, job system is brilliant but story is worse than Horse Racing 2016

[paper pilot]

Yeah, I could never make it past a certain point in FF5. Story just wasn't there at all.

[full flint]

I don't like OG artwork of FF6, Terra's not blonde, she has green hair

[paper pilot]

Doesn't help I had played FF6 and bits and pieces of 8 and 9 before I ever touched 5

I'm not a fan of the original concept art of Amano 😛 None of the characters look like they do in the game when he draws them

[full flint]

4, 6 is really awesome. After Years is cool but well || Screw CPU, screw it's 9999 insta nuke attack. I hated it on FF4 and they brought it back with after years ||

Well After Years is pretty much FF4 with new characters but yeah it's cool

[paper pilot]

I mean, how are THESE

Supposed to be these? 😛

[full flint]

Lol

[paper pilot]

Also this... 😛

And I'll stop with the FF pictures now 😄

[full flint]

Apparently Square sent Amano a whole other games

[paper pilot]

It's usually more the other way around I think 😉

Amano draws some super weird complex character art, and then the artists have to try to make that fit into a game

That's how we ended up with green-haired Terra

[full flint]

Tbh, I thank Square for not fully using his art

I saw the og sprite for Terra and it's ugly as hell

[paper pilot]

It's also the same reason in A Link to the Past, Link from the Zelda series has pink hair 😂

[spiral gyro]

I played that game for hours, and never even noticed

[full flint]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/638230/Journey/

Steam

Journey

Explore the ancient, mysterious world of Journey as you soar above ruins and glide across sands to discover its secrets. Play alone or in the company of a fellow traveler and explore its vast world together. Featuring stunning visuals and a Grammy-nominated musical score, Jour...

Release Date

June 11, 2020

a Sony title

Thought I saw it before

probably on Epic.

yeah

is it good for first sony game (i mean more modern ones)

it released on ps3 in 2012

I actually thought it was older

as did I. but it was apparently then

[autumn sluice]

couple questions

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/B450M-HDV R4.0/index.asp

this is my current mobo. i have the r5 2600 and 1650 super. im putting away 1000 to upgrade some stuff within a year or two. am i gonna have to upgrade my mobo and what should i be upgrading first?

[full flint]

@autumn sluice if you upgrade CPU then you’ll need a new motherboard which means you could also need new memory

A GPU is pretty independent

[autumn sluice]

i figured as much. but afaik isnt the r5 2600 good for at least a little while?

[full flint]

I mean. It’s fairly basic

[autumn sluice]

rip so its entry level huh

[full flint]

A lower end 3000 will send you much further

Like. 3200-3300

Those are significantly faster

For similar prices

[autumn sluice]

hmm

[full flint]

Honestly a 3300 would last you quite some time

[autumn sluice]

i wonder if it might be cheaper to wait till black friday. sell my current setup and just build a really good pc

[full flint]

But a 2600 may be good for a few years if you’re using it for gaming

That’s something you’d have to weigh in on

[autumn sluice]

yea only gaming and streaming occasionally on my pc

i would think the gpu is the more important upgrade in terms of gaming?

[full flint]

No.

[autumn sluice]

cause im debating on shelling out for the new 30xx series if they are actually really good in price and performance

[full flint]

CPU is almost always the most important thing when gaming

[autumn sluice]

really? why

[full flint]

GPU may render it out into the 3D space

But the actual asset processing and decompression is done by the CPU

As well as the game’s logic

[autumn sluice]

oh

[full flint]

There’s also the numerous other tasks a PC has to handle

CPU and Memory, then GPU

Then storage type

[autumn sluice]

ah i see

well my cpu is getting to 4.0 ghz with its own amd core boost thing and im reading that makes it a little better

another thing i was wondering about. should i go from 16 to 32gb of ram soon or can that wait?

[full flint]

I mean. 32gb is fairly cheap

[autumn sluice]

its ddr4 running at 2933 cause thats all my cpu supports

[full flint]

Ouch

Most DDR4 runs in the 3000mHz range now

So that’s kinda slow

[autumn sluice]

well it can go to 3200

but r5 2600 only supports up to 2933

[full flint]

Yes. Actual support is what matters

[autumn sluice]

yea

[full flint]

I’d run it on 3200

Ryzens speed scale hard

That extra 300mhz could be an extra 10% overall performance

Alright boys

Zen 3 leaks are out

[smoky flame]

ooh

[full flint]

So 10700k or 10900k

[smoky flame]

Zen3 is said to be 5nm and not 7nm. Late change with the fabrication process

[full flint]

Yep

But I’m not seeing a lot of 5nm goodness

I’m seeing what looks like 7nm+ results

I’m also seeing bridge XT models

[smoky flame]

could be early samples not quite optimal. The joys of technology and yeah. I've heard about those XT models

[full flint]

those were leaked ages ago the xt ones
which are ryzen 3000 series

Yeah but they were delisted sells this time

Someone broke their confidentiality agreement

saw that too

[smoky flame]

tbh any improvement Zen3 has over Zen2 (and XT refreshes) in IPC, clock speed boosts etc is going to only make AMD even stronger. I'm surprised they moved onto 5nm so quick tbf

[full flint]

We don’t know

The rumors are contradicting themselves

Some people say they’re jumping early, some say incredibly unlikely

@full flint 10700k or 10900k

I really don’t feel like cooling a 10900k lol

Between the two? Or in general

why not kf

What factors

My gaming pc

I mean

If you’re going intel

900

That think puts out so much heat

[smoky flame]

how big a difference is having a CPU with an iGPU to having one without?

[full flint]

Depends

Depends on use

You can offload some processes to the iGPU in some cases.

isnt a 10700k almost like an i9 9000k though

Such as QuickSync tasks

There’s no difference when gaming

Ya

iGPU is pointless when gaming if you have a discrete

[smoky flame]

yeah, I knew that part

[full flint]

10900k will net bigger advantages with DX12, which is my main focus

only £5 difference anyway
though it was larger between kf and the k

Yes. Do you actually need to upgrade to a 10? Or are you able to wait until 4th gen ryzen

[smoky flame]

DirectX 12 is broken most times though. At least it is whenever I play games with DirectX 12 support. DirectX 12 native games seem fine though

[full flint]

Quantum Break is an example

That’s because third party studios don’t know how to engineer around DX12

The Win10 version uses DX12

The steam version only has 10-11 support

The win10 version has much better performance

And stability

When they try to incorporate the DX11/DX12 choice, it gets screwed in the process

When are these zen 3s coming out

i remember seeing dx9 and dx11 games too

[smoky flame]

before this year is done I'd think

[full flint]

Yeah. Q3-Q4 will be most things this year

My wallet is already crying and screaming

[smoky flame]

hah same here

[full flint]

Likely consumer DDR5 as well

But don’t quote me there

ddr5 i expect 2021 earliest

I’m not 99% on that one yet

[smoky flame]

DDR5 will probably arrive with Zen4

[full flint]

Mass adoption? Yes

But it’ll likely release this year

Cause 10th gen Intel are DDR5-ready

Like I said they would be

[smoky flame]

I was considering going Zen2 (3600), then planning to wait for Zen3 and perhaps opt for something better 4700X(?) but if DDR5 is on its way I may just wait a little longer and go Zen4 (5700X?) and pair it with DDR5

[full flint]

And it’ll be PCIe4 compliant

So that’s already a MASSIVE performance gain

Like. This upcoming generation is going to be absolutely unparalleled across the board

It’s going to be amazing

[smoky flame]

longer I wait the more powerful the CPU I may be able to afford. Probably overkill but if I wait until Zen4 and DDR5 I may be looking at 16 cores

[full flint]

wait intel 10th gen supports ddr5?

It’s capable with a BIOS patch

hmm

Obviously they haven’t stayed on the product sheets because DDR5 isn’t out for consumers yet

[smoky flame]

would I be silly for going with 16 cores for a CPU only being a gamer? I'd probably go bonkers with the ram too. 32GB DDR5. Prepare for when 16GB is no longer enough for newer, future titles

[full flint]

32gb is child’s play

Also it’s very possible that DDR5 will start with individual 16GB DIMM

And not go lower

I don't even think I can take advantage of what some z490 motherboards offer so I won't be jumping onto ddr5 soon...

The performance increase from DDR4 to 5 is rather significant

From what I’ve heard it’s a lot larger than from 3 to 4

[smoky flame]

even sweeter

[full flint]

But that’s in the ECC space

dont think I will gain anything from that
at least not yet

General browsing would see a marked improvement

Overall computer responsiveness

I just want the maximum performance possible. And I have this weird hunch that the 10900k will still peek out over the flagship zen 3

I’m waiting to see

[smoky flame]

honestly, Zen4 sounds like it will be a good time. I may just postpone my planned upgrade. Just hope my 6700K last for long enough

[full flint]

hmm if that is the case I will be seeing more pcie 4.0 ssds and ddr5 ram

SSD are automatically compliant

They use SATA

Or Direct Slot

[smoky flame]

potentially quadruple core count (4 cores to 16), double capacity of ram (16GB to 32GB) and speed going from DDR4 to DDR5. Will likely have gone with a 2TB pcie 4.0 NVMe SSD by then and could have a 3080 Ti by then too. The thought of that without knowing anything on the specs of most of these things really gets me excited for what's coming in the next year or so computing wise 😄

[full flint]

ram I see higher

If you’re going to “go big” on memory jump to 64gb

32gb is rather standard now even on DDR3

16 is considered entry level since it’s the minimum viable amount now

8gb is for economy models

4 is “you’re getting ripped off by Walmart”

[smoky flame]

no reason to. Games won't exceed 32GB. They hardly exceed 16GB still today. I'm just preparing for the day where they will exceed 16GB for I will be at least one step ahead

[full flint]

Yeah that’s what people said about games 6 years ago

Then fallout 4 happened

It was one of the first games you require, not 16gb. 8

It required 8gb

Now look at games struggling with 16gb

wait how does it need more ram than witcher 3

They’re different games

Witcher is GPU intensive

oh right

Fallout is CPU intensive

And Jedi Fallen Order originally recommended 32, but they were able to dial down how it streams assets through the CPU

So they were able to drop the recommended back to 16gb

[smoky flame]

all going well if I manage to get a system like what I mentioned above I will even be ready for when games become more demanding on the CPU. When next gen consoles and their CPUs really have an affect on how they use the CPU

[full flint]

You want to not have to update your memory for a while? I’d highly suggest 64gb

Because it’s not just going to be next gen consoles affecting it

Games already can have those requirements just based on load alone

i would put that in my current pc but its £300 even for ddr4

Yes. If you want top-line DDR4

You can find balanced DIMM for 170-250

Otherwise you’re spending 300-600

this is for corsair vegenance lpx

Yeah. That’d be why

what do you recommebd anyway

If you’re looking to build for higher end. Don’t do what current “higher end” is because current will be low-mid for next

[smoky flame]

I think 32GB will be fine for some time. No need for 64GB until we see games exceeding 32GB ram usage. Which as I stated already most games hardly exceed 16GB as is. They are getting closer to that and I'm gaming at 1080p maxed settings. 4K maxed settings could very well be a whole different beast

[full flint]

Yes. You think, but you’re ultimately new to the PC space

You can think something all you want but it won’t make it true no matter how hard you believe. Now. If 32gb is right for you, that’s different

You know what you need more than anyone else. But it’s not going to change industry moving into certain spaces

i already have 16GB but not sure if it is more cost effective to go 32GB ddr4 or wait till ddr5 is out and in mass production
and if patriot viper steel will be fine
my next laptop will have 16GB ram and 512GB ssd minimum but for desktop I want a bit more...

If you’re on 16gb now you’re better off just waiting

Even if you end up jumping to DDR4

Since prices for it will go down once DDR5 hits mass market

i am on ddr4
but not on the laptop

Oh. Laptop chipsets are different ballgames

[smoky flame]

how long would you guess it is before DDR5 hits mass market and begins to reduce in price. No doubt at the start prices will be big

[full flint]

this one has an nvidia 750m so its really old

2 years post-release

and i7 4500u i think

That’s usually the trend for it to be a significant difference

3 tops

[smoky flame]

ouch yeah I'm not planning on waiting beyond 2021. If Zen4 launches with DDR5 I'm just going to have to put with whatever prices we get hit with

could always refresh my CPU 2-3 years after this major upgrade and with it get faster, cheaper DDR5 ram. What I pay for early bird DDR5 price could be what I pay for or cheaper but for even faster sticks 2-3 years on but yeah, I'm going to try and not get too far ahead of myself

[autumn sluice]

Wait so if my CPU says it only supports up to 2933 I can still put my ram higher than that?

[full flint]

Up to what the motherboard supports. Yes

[autumn sluice]

Wouldn't that cause issues though?

[full flint]

If you go over what the motherboard supports it can

Otherwise the system will limit it to the frequency supported by the CPU

[autumn sluice]

Oh ok so just crank it. Thanks

[full flint]

Wat

[autumn sluice]

Just crank to MHz up on the ram to the max the Mobo supports right?

[full flint]

No. The BIOS will typically optimize the memory for the CPU

just don’t touch it otherwise you can fry your memory

If you don’t know what you’re doing

[autumn sluice]

Yea when I used the profile it put it at 3000

[full flint]

And you should almost always avoid BCLK overclocking, never BCLK because it’s the single most volatile method of overclocking memory there is

And if you mess that up. You very much will kill the DIMM almost guaranteed

@full flint absolutely beautiful https://www.purestorage.com/products/flasharray-c.html

It should be illegal to make something this beautiful

People reading be like wtf is a PB

I love a PEANUT BUTTER of storage

A whole 5.2 Peanut Butter

[smoky flame]

lol I'm sure most know PB is a petabyte. 1024 terabytes = 1 petabyte or is it 1000?

[full flint]

Depends on if physical or digital

Physical is 1024, digital is 1000

[smoky flame]

ahh thanks for clearing that up

[full flint]

Or. Sorry. That might be backwards

It’s one or the other.

But both

[smoky flame]

oh 👀

is it not to do with that whole "8 bits in a byte" thing or is that broadband? if so sounds to be like its digital

[full flint]

Bits are measurements of transfer

Bytes are measurements of storage

I mean. Effectively. The actual differences are more than that but to most people that’s what matters

[jolly quarry]

Don't logic my parsecs Dark

[full flint]

Haha

[smoky flame]

sometimes I don't like to admit it but I forget that 16GB storage isn't exactly 16000 MB. 16384 would be the exact figure. At least until reserved space etc takes some of that away

by that figure of 16GB does that effectively make 64GB actually 65GB? 64GB = 65536 MB

[heavy marsh]

so like, legit question here. World of Tanks: Blitz. Is there any benefit to getting it on Steam vs the Microsoft Store on PC in terms of performance? Trying to find info on it but can't and am trying to play with my older penguin

thats what i figured

[full flint]

Anyone want to help find me a motherboard for my 2700x that isn’t $300

Because I CANNOT find one

B450, X470, X570

All completely gone

I even looked at msi boards

Sold out or $300, there’s no in between

[smoky flame]

wow, are things really that bad in terms of pc parts stock? 😮

[heavy marsh]

damn, xlr8. i just bought my b450 for $130 about 2 weeks ago

ill tag you ASAP if i find something

[full flint]

wait xlr8 is us?

[empty forum]

.

[ruby spear]

No discussion or promotion of unauthorised modding, please

[hot seal]

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1268557547377549312?s=20

Wario64 (@Wario64)

EA Access coming soon to Steam

Twitter

[heavy marsh]

oooooooooooooooo

[hot seal]

EA added their catalog on Steam now, sale on too

[full flint]

Woah

Take that, Epic

Finally

I'll be more than happy to nuke Origin

How the hell I'm going to move game data from Origin to Steam tho

[hot seal]

just wait for it to launch first I bet everything will be explained

would be cool to get Origin on Consoles for the extra DLC and stuff we dont get

[open belfry]

Neat, is there a way to transfer games we already have on origin🤔

Oh wait it appears it isn't everything anyways

😩 I was hoping this might revive Titanfall 2

[hot seal]

the news only broke today, EA Access still not been full announced, so I would expect more news soon

[full flint]

I still haven’t redownloaded organo from my pc

organo

I’m just gonna wait till BF2 hits steam

[lusty oak]

Oregano.

[full flint]

I found an asus prime b450 plus

One left in stock.

[ionic sluice]

b

[full flint]

@full flint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l06PlYNShpQ&feature=emb_title

Because of course they did

[tribal pilot]

playing gears 5 on pc. Does the game have a icon for when your mic is on or your talking. I cant hear anybody or tell if I am being heard.

[full flint]

Personally unsure. That honestly might be a question for the Gears discord

[tribal pilot]

Ok thanks Ill check that out.

[green kiln]

does anyone play minecraft dungeons?

[ruby spear]

There are some people asking in #587074461770186765

[trim zinc]

Bloodborne on PC rumors

[smoky flame]

over 5 years after it launched on the PS4... Better late than never I guess. Might give it a go if it does launch on PC

[ruby spear]

Slowly but surely, fanboy arguments begin to crumble

[autumn sluice]

lol

[smoky flame]

too bad Playstation couldn't just launch all their games on PC. Most I'd play again tbf but the thought of having to buy them again and at a full console game price potentially somewhat puts me off, even if PC unlocks a lot of features the PS4 version just couldn't make use of

[errant sorrel]

I'm glad Horizon zero dawn is coming to PC, been wanting to play that for a long time but didn't wanna buy a PS4 just for that

[full flint]

i got one for spiderman, uncharted etc...

anyway rip my i7 8700
https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/christopher-nohall/intels-8th-gen-coffee-lake-processors-to-be-phased-out-by-the-end-of-the-year/

[full flint]

Nah, it'll keep up for few yeara

People utill uses their 2600K

[errant sorrel]

My nephew has my old PC with an i7-2600k and he has no issues

Only replaced the GPU from 970 to 1660S

[novel latch]

i have a question,
If i get halo 5 on my pc will i have to pay for Xbox live gold to play multiplayer?

[lusty oak]

Not for PC, no.

[novel latch]

thank you for answering my question :))))

[thorny cypress]

However, Halo 5 is only on Xbox, there is no PC version

[lusty oak]

Oh. I did not know that, lol. My bad!

[full flint]

3 and 4 arent even officially on the mcc on pc as far as I know

and microsoft never ported 5

[full flint]

I’d like to further clarify

by official i mean released

like to play to masses

Halo 5 is on PC, however it’s only forge, custom games, and the customs browser. It’s ported to be an advanced forge tool, so you won’t have access to campaign, arena, or warzone

oh yeah forgot about forge

free too

[full flint]

Hello

[autumn sluice]

Halo 5 isn't on pc YET

[surreal moss]

Halo 5 is on PC, however it’s only forge, custom games, and the customs browser. It’s ported to be an advanced forge tool, so you won’t have access to campaign, arena, or warzone

this is me. new account

[autumn sluice]

Wut?

[daring glacier]

n\

[full flint]

Which graphic card brand is better these days. Nvida or AMD?

[autumn sluice]

nvidia imo

theyre just too big compared to amd

[surreal moss]

Nvidia

AMD is only good for sub $150 GPU

Mostly because nvidia doesn’t make a sub $150 GPU

[zenith briar]

: l

[full flint]

Hello

[zenith briar]

what-

[full flint]

What

[zenith briar]

uwu

[surreal moss]

I’ve put plenty of 470s and 570s in budget builds. They’re nice for that purpose and that’s about it

I’m talking like the whole build was $600

[full flint]

Ok

[full flint]

What about CPU?

[surreal moss]

AMD for 90% of situations

intel if you want the most gaming performance possible, and dont care about money

[full flint]

intel is more expensive than amd cpu?

[surreal moss]

Yes

[tiny crag]

Makes me upset that SLI/CrossFire is abandoned

[full flint]

I mean. It’s not really abandoned.

NVIDIA still technically supports it

But it would have had to have been adopted in the first place to be abandoned

Windows natively supports SLI Scaling now so as long as you have a connector bridge it’ll function

[keen knot]

744 indie games for $5
https://www.reddit.com/r/GameDeals/comments/gxh1bj/itchio_bundle_for_racial_justice_and_equality_pay/

[full flint]

I mean, buying 2 2080Ti looks more logical than Titan RTX

But, a big but is not all devs giving support

@smoky flame I’m going to tell you now if that’s your opinion of someone for owning multiple GPU then you have no place in the PC space. It’s very asinine and petty

[plucky marsh]

I didn't know games could support two GPUs at the same time

I'm learning it's more common than I thought

[full flint]

Very

I remember the 4 x gtx titan setups...

Because, unlike what sub thinks (-gasp-), it actually does have uses in gaming

[plucky marsh]

I don't really fully understand how it uses both at the same time, trying to google it

[full flint]

I'm still confused by gtx titan quad sli to this day...

That’s usually for extreme workloads or pushing 4k@60+ before GPU we’re capable

[plucky marsh]

I genuinely thought having multiple GPUs were for having different games open at the same time using the different ones lol. Oh man

I couldn't have been more wrong lol

Every days a school day 🤷‍♂️

[full flint]

Even to this day you need to use SLI to run Star Citizen at max settings in 4k for even 60fps in some cases

isnt it called nvlink now

It doesn’t matter what it’s called

you could call it pGPU and it’d still be accurate

NVLINK functions for multi-CPU as well

the nvlink bridge itself is probably how much my gpu is worth now

They start at $60 iirc

i seen some £80 those are the ones I mean

might be half of what the gpu is worth then

[full flint]

Considering a single 2080Ti isn’t enough for several games maxed out who are you to tell someone they can’t run a game at the highest specs

What you consider fine is not an objectively great example

If someone has the money and wants to built a rig capable of whatever they wish then you have absolutely no right to demean their decision

It’s an exceptionally prickish thing to do

I’ll even go far as to assume and say you’ve seen very little of SLI in action.

Until you use it in person, or have extensive experience with it, then keep those comments to yourself

[full flint]

speaking of that last sentence
clickbait title
video is good though
https://youtu.be/xnXJetr1Y1s

[smoky flame]

happy with air cooling tbh. Does well enough. May be noisy but I'd rather have a fan or two to replace than a whole system from a water cooling leak or having to keep up with the maintenance involved with a water cooling build. No maintenance required with air cooling besides some dusting now and again

[surreal moss]

Water cooling is usually taken up by bigger budget builds

Which also means parts will most likely be replaced more often instead of every 5-6 years

So the whole issue of maintenance takes care of itself

People on a budget just buy a ryzen and use the stock cooler for how many years

[tribal pilot]

So what do enclosed units have. The ones were you never change the liquid? Guessing some sort of coolant.

[surreal moss]

Yep

Other than changing the thermal paste after 3 years, there’s no real maintenance to do. It’s a sealed AIO (all-in-one)

[tribal pilot]

I need to change mine. Dreading it cause I have not done it before. Allways worried I will break something.

[smoky flame]

custom loop water cooling or whatever people like to call it requires quite a bit of maintenance seemingly. That or a few people I know with such builds are making it sound a whole lot worse than they really are

[surreal moss]

@tribal pilot It’s very very easy. Just look up a how to install video for the cooler you have. Just do everything in reverse to take it off, and you’ll know how to put it back on

Should also look up how to apply thermal paste to your CPU. There’s a different way for each CPU family.

Loop cooling is not something I will ever do

When I work on my PCs I like to tilt and shake and move them all around in the chassis. Loop is a death sentence for me.

[smoky flame]

me neither. Looks so much hassle to maintain. Heard some horror stories that would probably have people with even the deepest pockets think twice about a custom loop

[tribal pilot]

I am going to try next week. Going to clean it also. Need to research it bit. You will know if I mess up I will be in here crying that I broke my pc lol.

[surreal moss]

Lol

If you need help just ask here

Tag me or @full flint

[tribal pilot]

Sure thing thanks

[smoky flame]

I have an aio for my 6700K, H100i V2. Probably overkill for the CPU I use but at the time I wasn't all that aware. Didn't have Discord or the knowledge I have now. Can't wait to see how much my next build changes. Will still be following the high end of Geforce but AMD could tempt me. Will be going AMD for the CPU for sure

[surreal moss]

I’m waiting to see what zen 3 is

I’m going for 8-12 cores but with high frequency. If they don’t hit or break 5ghz I’m going 10900k

[full flint]

so 10900k and z490?
but what z490

i think the asus rog maximus xii extreme is the highest end
or most expensive

nvm the aorus xtreme waterforce costs more

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-xtreme-waterforce-intel-z490-s-1200-ddr4-sata3-3x-m2-sli-crossfire-10gbe-ax-wifi-bt51?

[surreal moss]

Probably just the basic ASUS z490-E

Or H I think

I’ll choose when we get there

[full flint]

ah ok

if i was going for a 10900k build id be getting the maximus xii extreme formula (or similar)

[surreal moss]

Nah

That board isn’t meant for enthusiast gaming

That’s mean for LN2 overclocking

That’s why it comes with all sorts of shrouds and board protections

And why it’s like $500

[full flint]

the aorus extreme waterforce is £1300

and asus rog maximum xii extreme £850

[surreal moss]

Oh wait

The extreme is for loops

The Apex model is the one I was thinking about

[full flint]

ah

[smoky flame]

I wonder what the best B550 motherboard will turn out to be

[full flint]

my motherboard supports 9th gen cpus with bios update just found that out...

[smoky flame]

what motherboard?

[full flint]

asus strix z390-g gaming
https://www.asus.com/news/q2o0z6f9okrfrdji
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13179/asus-adds-9th-gen-core-support-to-300-series-mobos

unless its changed since then

found it nvm
https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-Z370-G-GAMING/HelpDesk_CPU/

says all there

[tribal pilot]

Is there anyway to get rid of cortana on windows?

[smoky flame]

Intel revised their CPUs with 8th gen and 9th gen so I guess z370 support with 9th gen makes sense. Same happened with Kabylake and z170 (Skylake) though how well these CPUs operate on older motherboards have me wonder at times

[full flint]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/winaero.com/blog/uninstall-and-remove-cortana-in-windows-10-version-2004/amp/
only for the newest update
@tribal pilot

[tribal pilot]

Tried it and it did not work. oh well lol thanks for the info.

I can hid it but it keeps poping up in my task manager.

[smoky flame]

I managed to uninstall Cortana with the steps in the link. Make sure you run powershell as admin when doing the command

pretty sure Cortana was already suspended or something on my PC as it was pre 2004 update but now it is uninstalled. Shouldn't even be showing in task manager now

[autumn sluice]

whats the depreciation on gpus?

[tribal pilot]

Ok I copy and paste it and hit enter and nothing. Does it say uninstall or do something?

What directory path do i need to be in?

I tried just windows and just c drive cant find the directory they have listed on there.

[full flint]

@autumn sluice you imply GPU’s deprecate at all within 3 years of their release

Jokes aside it’s usually 10-20%

[autumn sluice]

so if i bought one for 200 itd be wroth about 180?

[full flint]

if it were a brand new GPU, roughly

you could probably swing 190

[autumn sluice]

now what if ive used it for about a year?

[full flint]

usually around the same

150-180

[trim zinc]

lol

[autumn sluice]

#587074461770186765

[surreal moss]

GA 102-200 and 4352 CUDA Cores

[full flint]

those 3080 photos look like engineering samples, early production or whatever
posted in 2 other servers that one

10GB Vram and 320-bit bus also

[smoky flame]

4352 cuda cores. Isn't that how many the 2080 Ti has? 3080 sounds like it could be really powerful. Makes me wonder how many cuda cores the 3080 Ti has. Past few x80 to x80 Ti GPUs have been quite far apart in these cuda core counts.
980: 2048 980 Ti: 2816 - 768 cuda cores difference
1080: 2560 1080 Ti: 3584 - 1024 cuda cores difference
2080/SUPER: 2944/3072 2080 Ti: 4352 - 1408/1280 cuda cores difference
Based off the above the gap between these two GPUs is widening every generation. 3080 Ti could have as much as 6144 cuda cores opposed to the 3080's rumoured 4352 cuda cores

[full flint]

wait until the official announcement from mr huang
aka it just works

[smoky flame]

lol yeah. I'm waiting I just like to see if I can notice a trend, which I have with each generation

[full flint]

anyway for those who didnt get the reference
this is from the rtx reveal stream
https://youtu.be/4u0NRgMyzEM

[full flint]

Is Raspberry Pi pc gaming?

[surreal moss]

Asus is making bank with a huge supply of B450s in the middle of this motherboard shortage

450-f is now the best selling motherboard on amazon

And it’s still in preorder

In stock on the 17th. Mine comes on the 11th

[smoky flame]

a week tomorrow and B550 launches. Wonder how those motherboards will play into current times. Will stock be fine or limited?

[full flint]

Same as the 3300x and 3100 was I think
with some of the prices x570 is cheaper atm

[junior warren]

Asus is making bank with a huge supply of B450s in the middle of this motherboard shortage
@surreal moss I just ordered a TUF gaming MATX MoBo a couple of weeks ago for like £50, how are Asus the only manufacturer to still have stock?

[azure flicker]

Be me happy to finally be able to play satisfactory in steam.
Logs in to see a 10 hour wait time
Lol wut

[worldly ravine]

Is Raspberry Pi pc gaming?
@full flint Errr not really

[full flint]

What is it then?

[full flint]

its more of a hobbyist type thing I think
can do a lot with it too

[full flint]

Pi gaming

[worldly ravine]

Well you can Emulate and use steam link on it

[surreal moss]

@junior warren they’re the biggest motherboard producer in the PC market. They can make enormous amounts of boards in very little time.

[junior warren]

are they the biggest?

[surreal moss]

That’s why every other company has maybe one or two models slowly coming back into stock, and asus already has stock going out for several models and more models on the way

[junior warren]

fair point

[surreal moss]

There’s like 2-4 models each of B450, X470, and X570 all coming back into stock. On top of all the Z490s that are out and the B550s on the way

[junior warren]

yep

[full flint]

Hello everyone

[surreal moss]

Meanwhile gigabyte and msi are like yeah I have one preowned board, take it or leave it

[junior warren]

I just realised how expensive case fans are

[surreal moss]

They’re not depending on what you get

If your waste your money on RGB fans, sure

But if you get normal fans built for functioning well, they’ll only be 15-25 a fan

The 7 fans in my case cost me like $120 total

[full flint]

the rgb ones are pricey
you can get be quiet for way less

[sterile thunder]

anyone have the problem where they can see in the dark on Minecraft?

im pretty sure im not supposed to be able to.

[surreal moss]

Did you turn your in game gamma up

[sterile thunder]

@glacial pecan I ignored your discord invite you DM'd me back in April, why send me another one. You should probably not be DMing people random discord invites.

[dusty vector]

Seems like they've not been a real contributor to the server at any rate.

[sterile thunder]

Sent me a DM to a sketchy discord lol

i can set the brightness on my Minecraft to 0 and still see in dark caves

[surreal moss]

Brightness is not actual brightness like TV

It’s basically the light range

Turn it the whole way up, stuff will be super bright and colorful in full light

Turn it down, everything is softer and dimmer no matter what

If you want actual brightness, adjust the gamma

Think of the brightness slighter as a saturation slighter, but for light

[full flint]

gamma's not brightness either

Gamma adjusts the color curve

Brightness decreases the range of lightness without changing the starting dark point.

Gamma changes the luminosity difference between the light and dark

basically, games should have brightness and gamma as separate sliders, but they don't and it sacrifices visual quality because of it

it's also my biggest gripe with Unreal Engine

[surreal moss]

I know that’s not how gamma is

But that’s how he’ll understand it

[full flint]

but it's not even remotely accurate lol

[full flint]

Hello everyone

[surreal moss]

But I guarantee he’ll understand it lmao

Blame Minecraft for making brightness into vibrancy

[full flint]

vibrancy/luminosity is closer to brightness than gamma

[surreal moss]

TELL THAT TO MOJANG

[full flint]

I don't recall vibrancy ever referring to gamma

[clear patio]

Ok

[full flint]

https://twitter.com/Atlus_West/status/1270097883954507776

Official ATLUS West (@Atlus_West)

We've got some exciting news to share at the PC Gaming Show, this Saturday, June 13th!

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[full flint]

https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/the-pc-gaming-show-returns-this-saturday-with-more-than-50-games-and-a-few-surprises/?__twitter_impression=true

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/zCllBRdyEXA

[surreal moss]

2080

Didn’t even have to watch

[smoky flame]

4K gaming for now will be all Nvidia since their GPUs past the 2070 Super all perform better than AMD's 5700 XT and these same GPUs also have DLSS to further increase performance in supported games.
2060 and 2070 can use DLSS too but I really don't think that will help those GPUs in 4K.
2080 Ti and Titan RTX owners may even be able to make use of RTX features, again in supported titles

[surreal moss]

Nvidia has owned the crown for generations now.

And AMD has owned the budget zone

Even that’s hard to argue with 1650 supers coming down to $150 at one point

[autumn sluice]

^

240cdn for an evga one

Thank Christ I got a budget card that's good

[full flint]

@surreal moss https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-velocity-rgb-nickel-plexi

hhhhHHH

[surreal moss]

Not a loop guy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full flint]

such an odd fellow

[full flint]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-SN750-High-Performance-Internal-Gaming/dp/B07M9VXSXG/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?
£322.99
one with heatsink is £324.99

[surreal moss]

I should really invest in a PCIe SSD cooler

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/xSP8u4iiLEg

[full flint]

https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen-3xs-horizon-zero-dawn-free

[full flint]

i need some help

im trying to play sea of thieves for the first time on my pc, im getting invites but when i click the tick to accept them nothing happens

[hexed carbon]

Can any recommend a good monitor 220 or lower price range

[ruby spear]

Already dealt with it

[autumn sluice]

Cool ty

[flint aurora]

@hexed carbon a CFG73 is great, I have one and it's really nice

[primal ferry]

so I have a pretty powerful pc (3.50 GHz) but it's slow af, how do I make it faster

[ruby spear]

3.5Ghz doesn't really tell us much. That could be a super old processor still with other old hardware.

What are the full specs?

[primal ferry]

CPU: AMD A10-7800 (3.50 GHz)
GPU: AMD Radeon R7 240
Motherboard: LENOVO Bantry CRB (K15 IMC)
RAM: Dual SK Hynix HMT451U6BFR8C-PB (800MHz, 4GB + 8GB)
Storage: ST2000DM001-1ER164 NTFS 1.8TB

[spring wolf]

that's old..from 2013-2014 ? No wonder it's slow

[ruby spear]

The mismatched RAM may also be contributing to that.