pc-gaming

[full flint]

nothing but they

making promotions to gain more peoples to be on epic games

ok cya im too toxic

[lusty oak]

wait, what?

[full flint]

go to epic games they are loosing players

so they makes promotions so they will comeback

by that logic

Every corporation in the world is “loosing” customers

[plucky marsh]

We need to make that relationship tighter

[full flint]

sorry for my language if i write like idiot

u guys know heroes and generals

[lusty oak]

never heard of it

[full flint]

its ww2 game

prototype servers are open so 999.999.999 cash and gold and credits to test game and find out glitches

[lusty oak]

public test server, nice

[plucky marsh]

Isn't the heroes and generals game that strong P2W game?

[lusty oak]

I get on the ESO test server whenever it's up

[full flint]

yes p2w

but only gold u can grind cash

1 million in one day if u play hard

skechers

[lusty oak]

well, that was an abrupt topic change

[stable dust]

🤔

[full flint]

heyo

moon light spoon light

CEO of nobody like me

[tribal pilot]

Was looking at this website viveport and they do a game pass for VR. There's only a couple titles I recognize So don't know if it would be worth the 13 a month. Anybody use that service?

[full flint]

would any of you buy this as a content creator? or do you think it would need more power
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/14-asus-zenbook-duo-ux481fl-dual-screen-uhd-oled-i7-10510u-16gb-ddr3-512gb-nvme-ssd-mx250-win10

[autumn sluice]

https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/the-new-msi-rtx-2080-ti-gets-16gbps-memory-and-a-shot-at-nvidias-titan-rtx/

[smoky flame]

finally, some news I was waiting to hear. B550 AMD motherboards are coming. June 16th. Most of the B550 motherboards should work out cheaper than X570. Looks like I may be going AMD for my CPU in June after all 🙂

[wise needle]

my pc parts will be here sooner than expected

im so excitedddd

[full flint]

@smoky flame
you can still use b450 motherboards with zen 2 cpus
unless you want pcie gen 4 or some other features

[smoky flame]

that is true, yeah but besides pcie gen 4 unless I was to use one of the MAX motherboards all other B450 motherboards may require bios updates to support a Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) CPU. I'd just rather it works out the box with no faffing around

sounds silly but does anyone here give their PC's codenames or nicknames? I have one for my PC 😄

[lusty oak]

nope

neither my PC nor my car (when I had one)

[smoky flame]

I nicknamed my PC "Project Libra". Balance without compromise.
Basically I like to play at maxed settings and hope to achieve greater than 60 FPS on all games I play

[full flint]

I'm not a balance boi, Graphics>Performance for me

[full flint]

got a tn monitor so anything looks bad to me
well except lego games for some reason

[devout remnant]

@full flint my 2nd Gen TN looks really good, close to IPS.

[plucky marsh]

@vague crescent have you tried playing the game from big picture mode using controller?

[vague crescent]

trying to set up controls for hk on pc but steam is like "oh let's use your keyboard controller binds for dark souls 3 on freaking hollow knight" i know this is the xbox discord but can anyone help? i got hollow knight through xbox game pass so i can't just do that, but steam uses those keybinds

i got it through xbox

if i had it through steam i'd know what i'm doing

[plucky marsh]

Oh, so you're using xbox game pass to play the game? But launching it via steam?

[vague crescent]

launching it right from desktop

[plucky marsh]

Oh, and you're just trying to re-map the buttons?

[vague crescent]

steam just recognizes the controller

[plucky marsh]

Where does Steam come into this then?

[vague crescent]

and uses my dark souls presets cause that was my last game used as controller apparently

[plucky marsh]

If you're playing it from desktop, downloaded from the xbox game pass app, why is Steam getting involved?

[vague crescent]

do you think i know?

[plucky marsh]

No it's interesting though. Can you try and close Steam and run the game?

[vague crescent]

i was about to try that

[plucky marsh]

Not that you should have to though

That's odd, I didn't know Steam automatically remapped controller buttons

Wait, are you using a steam controller? Or a 360/one controller?

[vague crescent]

switch pro

i remapped myself for ds3

it just recognized controller apparently

[plucky marsh]

Oh ok, I haven't used anything like that for Steam.

[thorny cypress]

that's probably remapped at the OS layer then

Steam isn't remapping just within steam, to make it work across all games, it has to do it in the OS

[vague crescent]

well idk

closing steam didn't do much

nothing at all, actually

[plucky marsh]

I didn't know about it doing it at the OS layer. But makes sense closing Steam wouldn't do anything then though.

You'll just have to rebind it using Steam back to how you want it just for HK.

And switch between bindings per game you want to play

[vague crescent]

yeah that's what i expected

won't be too hard

[smoky flame]

have you tried through big picture mode? that's where steam seems to like configuring controller support for games best

[plucky marsh]

Yeah that's what I suggested. Big picture mode seems to fix a lot of issues. But they aren't using Steam to launch the game

Steam was remapping the controller and then keeping it remapped regardless of what game they were playing and launched from where. I thought Steam did it just within Steam.

[vague crescent]

that didn't do it and i tried that

[smoky flame]

that is a bit strange 🤔

[vague crescent]

i have 2 pro controlers

*controllers

i could see if the other doesn't follow the config

[plucky marsh]

Have you remapped the controller again?

[vague crescent]

yes

it didn't do anything

[thorny cypress]

if it's being done at the OS level like I expect, I believe it would apply to all pro controllers

[vague crescent]

well great

[smoky flame]

is there anything happening with the default layout?

[vague crescent]

i don't know

[plucky marsh]

It remapped successfully for dark souls right?

[vague crescent]

if i knew anything about this in the first place i wouldn't have asked

yes that's set

[plucky marsh]

OK, so if you change the mapping to what you want for Hollow Knight, and boot up dark souls lol

[vague crescent]

yeah i don't exactly have that installe

*installed

i said i don't play it anymore

[plucky marsh]

Hmm, I know Steam only works out the key bindings when a game is started.

Have you got any games installed via steam?

[vague crescent]

yeah?

[plucky marsh]

Just open them up via big screen mode with the new button mapping

using your controller. It should popup in bottom right saying controller identified etc

[vague crescent]

so set it to a game i can open w/ controller and use that

[thorny cypress]

did you actually try remapping the controls within Hollow Knight? I just checked, and it's able to remap any control in the PC game pass version

[vague crescent]

well it did that the moment i turned the controller on

[thorny cypress]

that would do it within the game

[vague crescent]

well in the game wouldn't do much it's not using the game's mapping in the 1st place

[thorny cypress]

let's back up a step, what buttons are wrong

and how are they behaving?

[vague crescent]

everything

the only thing that moves is the stick, cause that's the only thing that wasn't changed

the rest do nothing

[plucky marsh]

So if you go to here:

https://gyazo.com/5abb8921aea5f490b7cb5ca2904ec02c

and do define layout, you've set it as you'd expect it to work, correct?

[vague crescent]

yes

hold on though

[plucky marsh]

There's a switch pro layout support too, with "use nintendo button layout", that may overwrite what you have currently too? Then go from there

[vague crescent]

i had that set, might retry that

[smoky flame]

I remember messing with steam's controller support once and honestly now would be a great time to remember what exactly I done but I can't :(

[plucky marsh]

I try and rebind in-game rather than Steam's controller support. I've only ever had weird experiences with it.

[vague crescent]

i'm so tired of this

nothing's gonna work

[smoky flame]

yeah, it can be a bit weird lol

[vague crescent]

whatever's up with it is gonna do what happens to everything else i try to fix and get worse

i'm done

[smoky flame]

don't give up. I'll be on my PC soon. Can check how I set up the whole controller thing through big picture mode and that might find where you (or Steam) have gone wrong

[vague crescent]

just gonna remove the controller from steam

i've deregistered the controller

somehow, not even that did anything

of course my stupid gen 1 xbox controller, the only thing i don't want to use, works great

[smoky flame]

ok, so looking at Steam's big picture controller settings there is a note that reads "this setting must be disabled for Switch Pro controllers to work in games not launched through Steam while Steam is running".
By the sounds of that you have to untick the Switch Pro controller configuration support option any time you play a game not installed on Steam while it is running otherwise there will be issues.

just to be sure I'd make sure all the other controller support options are unticked too as there may be conflicts as to what controller is actually in use

[vague crescent]

i'm just gonna get it on steam lmao already decided on that

[tribal pilot]

Just played dirt 2.0 in vr and it’s a lot of fun. Looks really good and plays well. Works great with controller. I’m thinking about investing in a steering wheel and pedals.

[full flint]

Turns out the tiny line on the front of my cases is an hdd light, and I had the front panel connectors upside down in both computers lmao

[full flint]

interesting

time to test this switch pro controller on steam when it arrives today...

[oblique lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cfKc8U4iwg

[smoky flame]

those cases look huge XLR8

[full flint]

They are

That’s why I bought them

What models are they?

Cougar panzer max

[full flint]

I don't have any cases with the handles
must be easier to lift

I have a video somewhere of me doing upright rows with one

[obsidian isle]

Hey I got a question for all. Can you add Xbox games product codes that's compatible in pc to steam

[full flint]

no

Nope

if they were steam compatible then they wouldn't be xbox product codes

[obsidian isle]

But I bought a game once? And it has a code for steam redeem?

[full flint]

if it is a steam code, then it is not an xbox code

will only work on steam as dark said
not sure if microsoft store games work diffrrently though

no, they don't

[autumn sluice]

Hey quick thing.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_700_1103&item_id=113633

This good?

[full flint]

seems alright

[autumn sluice]

Thanks

O no

They said hey this ones on sale

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_700_1104&item_id=139968

[sacred iron]

I am pc gamer

[valid shard]

dang i cannot afford minecraft .. i use cracked now :/

[thorny cypress]

dang it, piracy is not allowed it

[obsidian bobcat]

ElectricGaming#2033 has been banned.

[dusty vector]

Ex-lectricGaming

[lusty oak]

🥁

[wheat wren]

Hi, how do I add more RAM to Minecraft Windows 10 Edition?

[full flint]

Delete system 320

[quasi storm]

mm deltree

[wheat wren]

I used cracked minecraft version to test on my server on week spots, cheats and etc to make it more secure, its useful for testing (i have silence)

[full flint]

Oh so you illegally obtained Minecraft

[wheat wren]

i have license

actually 3

[full flint]

If you got Minecraft for free, it’s still illegal, no matter how many times you bought it before

[quasi storm]

Someone was literally banned a few lines up from talking about using cracked version lol

[wheat wren]

Well, i dont support piracy

one of the reasons i bought the game

[full flint]

Yet you pirate

[wheat wren]

I used it to check my security on my private server before opening it for multiplayer

found 2 bugs that could've been used for crashing the server and using cheats undetected -- fixed it

If you want to ban me for using it to find security vulnerabilities on my server before I opened it for public -- go ahead.

Delete system 320
@full flint what do you mean?

how that helps with adding more ram?

[full flint]

You were given an answer in a different channel

This is why it’s best to post an issue in one channel only

[wheat wren]

By "adding" I meant allocate

well, whatever, thanks.

[sacred iron]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_N4ws3nj-P/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

something related to pc

[full flint]

Anyone got good Fortnite thumbnail backgrounds I already have skin PNGs DM me

[smoky flame]

Think I've just finally figured out a feature I was curious about on the Nvidia control panel and how it works.
GPU Scaling. Not the one under "Adjust desktop size and poisition" but under "Manage 3D settings" and Image sharpening. Supposedly only works properly with Turing GPUs. Not sure if that includes the 16 series as that is Turing too but there is a superior scaler than what those Turing GPUs offer and it turns out that is locked behind some of Nvidia's most expensive monitors - Their Gsync Ultimate monitors

silly me tried to use this GPU scaling option on a 1080 Ti. Apparently GPUs before Turing only support bilinear scaling or something like that meaning they won't produce as high quality results as someone using a Turing GPU or gsync ultimate monitor will get

[full flint]

It’s also involved in cloning monitors

And it’s been for a long time. But most people that aren’t content creators don’t have a reason to clone input so it’s not widely known

[smoky flame]

at least now I know my current GPU can't do the scaling thing. Nvidia should really make it clearer to people. Annoys me they lock the best of the best behind a product that costs more than say a 2080 Ti. Between someone buying that GPU and a gsync ultimate monitor that's at least £2500 spent - The cost of a Titan RTX ironically

[flint aurora]

I would quite like image sharpening on 10 Series GPUs, becuase some games just dont look great.

[smoky flame]

the image sharpening feature works fine but unlike AMD's version it has a slight performance penalty

[full flint]

I can't remember if I had dsr on by default but I turned that off

[flint aurora]

It looks bad for me

Makes the gmme look blurry

[smoky flame]

I've yet to try DSR since I got into PC gaming and in all honesty will probably never touch it. Increases demand on the GPU and will lower performance since you are allowing the GPU to think it can select resolutions beyond your display's native resolution in games and other programs. Best keep DSR disabled imo

sharpening looks bad?

[full flint]

https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2020-04-21-amd-expands-3rd-gen-amd-ryzen-desktop-processor-family-unleashing

new cpus and b550

[smoky flame]

amazing value quad core CPUs. Between $24.75 and $30 per core

[full flint]

id rather have the 2600 tbh
at £112 I mean

[smoky flame]

yeah that's even more of a bargain considering the 2600 is 6 cores and 12 threads.
I may yet go for the 3700X, B550 motherboard (likely ASUS) and 16GB ram that is Zen2 ready. Doubling my core count for roughly the same price I paid for my 6700K back in 2016. ~£300

[flint aurora]

I may ask for a new cpu for my BDAY

[full flint]

if i buy minecraft on xbox and go to pc do i get the game for free?

[flint aurora]

yes

if you sign in with same account

OR i may ask for a 1440p 144hz monitor

[full flint]

@full flint
only windows 10 version I think

hmmm

[full flint]

@smoky flame
yeah think that is the price as my cpu was or near that amount

[sacred iron]

hi

I am looking for a laptop the conditions are decent performance and need to be capable for gaming mostly for school purpose like study grubs and I have PC gaming

[full flint]

Someone needs to stop these people

[autumn sluice]

It's 100gb

[full flint]

I have the full game

Also it’s bigger on PC. Not sure what platform you’re looking at.

[autumn sluice]

@smoky flame @full flint lmao funny story, I got the 2600 when AMD dropped it to 160$ cdn in January. Wasn't sure it was a good CPU at first and now my mind is absolutely blown coming from years old hand-me-down pc's

@full flint PC. I heard there was a bug that doubled the install size. Lemme see if I can find it

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/11309267/call-of-duty-170gb-171gb-update-patch-modern-warfare-battle-net/

I wouldn't be surprised if it came back with today's update

[full flint]

I just mean the sheer size of the game

[autumn sluice]

Oh yea

[full flint]

It’s not 193 because of a bug. It’s actually 193

[autumn sluice]

I think it's because of the compression method of maps

They want it to laod fast even on bad PC's

I just can't type today

[flint aurora]

I HATE modern warfare

absolute waste of money

[autumn sluice]

I don't think so

[full flint]

Modern Warfare is really fun

Squad did explosions well, but that's a PC only Sim-game

[flint aurora]

I find it boring af. No friends to play with tho.

[sacred iron]

Looking for the fastest gaming laptop becase I don't just stay at my home and I need to game outside home

[flint aurora]

Budget?

TBH it wont last for long.

they lose speed after 1 year dramatically

[sacred iron]

3K$ usd a gift from my friends

I think that is a decent budget

[flint aurora]

how rich are your friends TF

[autumn sluice]

Bruh

Hook me up

[full flint]

Can I meet with that friend lol.

Jokes aside, I remember Asus made a laptop with newest Ryzen CPU (4800HS). People say it's really good

Give me few mins if I can find it

[flint aurora]

Yeah

[full flint]

Well found this, I hope this helps
https://laptopsconsider.com/best-gaming-laptop-under-3000/

[sacred iron]

all of them together gave me and I have a lot of friends

[languid kestrel]

Nice!

also happy birthday

[sacred iron]

by birthday is aug 1st???

going with

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q9L7BY2?tag=httpswww.geeksip.com-20&linkCode=osi&th=1

or

https://www.amazon.com/Zephyrus-Gaming-GeForce-Windows-GA502IU-ES76/dp/B0865VBN6X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=ROG%2BZephyrus%2BG15%2B(2020)%2BUltra%2BSlim%2BGaming%2BLaptop%2C%2B15.6”%2B240Hz%2BFHD%2C%2BGeForce%2BRTX%2B2060%2C%2BAMD%2BRyzen%2B7%2B4800HS%2C%2B16GB%2BDDR4%2C%2B1TB%2BPCIe%2BNVMe%2BSSD%2C%2BWindows%2B10%2BPro%2C%2BGA502IV-XS76&qid=1587587887&s=electronics&sr=1-1&th=1

I actually like this one saving money

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Stealth-Ultrabook-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B07X4BLRKY/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3MYN7WD8PJSAT&dchild=1&keywords=razer%2Bblade%2Bstealth%2B13%2B2020&qid=1587587999&s=electronics&sprefix=razer%2Bblade%2Bs%2Celectronics%2C206&sr=1-1&th=1

[sacred iron]

hi

I have made the max performs pc with all things

here is what I got

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3pq79G

[flint aurora]

No, no and no. Thought you wanted a laptop?

Plus 3950x > 9900k

[sacred iron]

they are all intel 10th gen

[thorny cypress]

and? Your build is terrible. why do you need an external SSD? You should have a NVMe SSD as your primary, and something WAY bigger than 250GB. You don't need a 16TB NAS spindle drive. You don't need a sound card (on board is fine), and you can get 2080 supers for cheaper than that 1080 TI

and you have an ultrawide and regular monitor? that makes no sense too

[sacred iron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GYbGNq

this is the one I was making not that

[thorny cypress]

and still same comment on the NAS drive and video card apply, and you don't have 3 NVMe slots, why do you have 3? Get a single 2TB and be done with it

and you don't need anywhere close to a 1200 Watt power supply

[sacred iron]

I am a idot

how can see 1080 as 2080

[heavy marsh]

are you doing 8k video rendering?

[sacred iron]

yes

[heavy marsh]

part of me feels like you just picked some of the most expensive things and just clicked on them.

oh you are?

what cameras are you using?

[sacred iron]

I was adding on to my friend monester and he as proved me that he is an idote for sure

[heavy marsh]

I would probably wager a threadripper is going to perform better than an i9, especially the 3970x. its like 64 cores vs 16 core iirc

also not sure what the illinois department of transportation has anything to do with this but okie

[sacred iron]

ok

[drowsy grove]

ok

[dire dome]

explain to me why i have to buy the same edition of minecraft twice if i wish to have it on my pc

[ruby spear]

Because it's not Play Anywhere

[full flint]

It’s called money

Companies like it. You know this.

[lament cipher]

it's a bit of an oddity in that most MS-published titles are Play Anywhere... but that one is not

[full flint]

I assume you are referring to the g14? @full flint

[lusty oak]

lol, almost 12 hours later

[full flint]

ok UK models are a bit different

theres this for £1,799 but only has a 2060
https://uk.store.asus.com/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-moonlight-white-ga401iv-ha120t-14-full-hd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-4900hs-processor-16gb-ram-1tb-pcie-ssd-nvidia-geforce-gtx-2060-6gb-graphics.html
also I do agree that pc build is bad...

huh must be a typo
unless the 4900h exists

[smoky flame]

that is quite a bit for a laptop with a 2060

[full flint]

yeah considering 2070 super laptops can be found for only £200 more
but half the storage and a different screen

[ruby spear]

@hard delta I fail to see how that is in any way relevant to the channel. Also, please change your name/nickname to remove whatever word has been filtered out.

[hard delta]

kick me

help

it wasn't me who canged the nick name

[ruby spear]

Well, it's your account, so it's your responsibility.

[hard delta]

ok

boom

please say something

[ruby spear]

No one needs to say anything

[hard delta]

k don't send any messages im too busy playing roblox ride down 999,999,9999999 miles [free admin]

[ruby spear]

Gladly.

[hard delta]

k that was boring

[full flint]

@full flint

[hot zinc]

What?!

[ivory cypress]

What the what is that set up

[magic parrot]

epic

[full flint]

4 laptops?

wait 5

[autumn sluice]

Super wub wub setup

[flint aurora]

Lol I only have 1 monitor

I don't have a big enough desk

For any more

[dire dome]

You could probably get a wall mounted monitor

[flint aurora]

I can't

My desk is facing a windo

Window*

Can't afford it anyway so okf

Oof*

[boreal vale]

the new xcom game aint even out yet and it already has a 50% sale

[wise needle]

i just need 2 more parts before i can put my pc together

[flint aurora]

Nice! What parts? Need any help with it?

[deft saffron]

Hey is a i5 7600k and rtx 2060 pc good?

If someone knows plz @ me ill brb

[thorny cypress]

I mean, you haven't said what you're planning to use it for, so it's hard to say if it's "good"

[deft saffron]

I want to use it for 4k gaming with ray tracing and everything else low settings

30 fps is fine got used to it cause consoles

[heavy marsh]

well, youre definitely not gonna get 4k60 lol

[thorny cypress]

honestly, if you aren't happy with graphics on the switch, you aren't going to be happy trying to run that at 4K, at any frame rate

[hushed agate]

2060 is a little weaker, but it's a good 1440 player

[deft saffron]

That is not even comparable to this situation the switch graphics is worse than last gen consoles I don't care about that console

[hushed agate]

About a 1080 level of perf

[deft saffron]

I want to continue with pc talk now

Would the build handle 4k low rtx on with 30 fps or 60?

I seen benchmark is just said 4k 30 fps

[hushed agate]

4K would really be pushing the bounds of the 2060, wouldn't expect anything above 30 even with lower settings

2060S, maybe

[deft saffron]

Had no idea if that is for low or not

Oh so 4k 30 would still be around the average on low ok thanks

[thorny cypress]

a 2060 at 4K with RTX on may not even get 30 fps on low

that's what we're saying

[hushed agate]

With RTX on? Absolutely not lol

The 2060 would cry at 1080 with RTX on

[thorny cypress]

if you listened to what I said instead of insulting me, you would understand you need a much more powerful system to get 4K with RTX

[deft saffron]

I did not insult I did not want to talk about switch at all because I know the rtx 2060 was more powerful

[main ether]

🙄

[thorny cypress]

My point wasn't comparing the 2060 to the Switch, you didn't even read what I said

but fine, I'm done trying to help you

[heavy marsh]

in order to have a conversation, one must both comprehend and speak, sometimes simultaneously

[full flint]

If you want a as close to a genuine RTX experience as possible, get the 2080 or 2080ti. If you really care about RTX this badly, just wait until the next generation cards from Nvidia and AMD. Nvidia’s is coming out this year, don’t know when AMD’s is. These cards will be built to better handle hardware accelerated ray tracing, and along side the overall increase in performance, will actually run a much more fluid and polished RTX experience.

With the current RTX 2000 cards, you’ll get between 30-100 FPS depending on the game, the card, and what RTX preset you’re using. You could play something like battlefield V on a medium/high RTX mix at 1440 and get around 100 with a really good card (2080). If you try 4k Minecraft RTX on a 2060, you’re gonna get 30 if you’re lucky and probably shave a few years off the card from the heat alone.

[wise needle]

@flint aurora I'm waiting on a rtx 2080 and my 750 watt power supply.

I'm really excited

[full flint]

New parts wooo

[hushed agate]

750W?

[full flint]

I just bought a ton of fans and LEDs for my case. Tired of using stock stuff in both of them

Lemme grab the list

2 phanteks led starting kits
1 extra pack of 2 strips for a total of 6 to be split 3/3 in the cases.
4 silent wing 3 140mm
3 silent wing 3 120mm
2 shadow wing 2 140mm
1 shadow wing 2 120mm

All the silents are replacing all the fans in the gaming PC, and the shadow wings are replacing the case fans in the content pc

I would’ve went with noctua but I can’t stand the look of ugly brown fans

[hushed agate]

Noctua's new black skew looks nice

[wise needle]

@hushed agate yes

[hushed agate]

Why the high wattage?

[wise needle]

@hushed agate well im running a 2080 and a 3rd gen ryzen 7 3700x and since they should both need auxiliary power for full performance thought I'd do 750 just to be safe. I was gonna do a 650 but just incase I up anything I wont need a new powerfully

Power supply*

[plucky marsh]

Has anyone managed to play Valorant yet? Is it any good? I'm looking forward to it.

[full flint]

Nothing wrong with extra wattage, just means you’ll have more efficiency at peak draw

That’s why a lot of enthusiasts put 1000-1100 psu’s in expensive builds when they don’t even hit 600 at peak

Less heat, less noise, happy power supply.

[wise needle]

Cool and good to know as well I like to know as much as I can I am still fairly new to pc

[full flint]

There’s always something to learn.

[wise needle]

I definitely agree

[full flint]

I’ve been learning a lot about fans lately. if you’re on carpet with poor clearance, mount your power supply with the fan upward, but turn an extra fan around to intake so you don’t create negative pressure in the case (if you were previously neutral pressure or barely positive)

If you have ample clearance like a tall case or on a hardwood floor, mounting it fan down will be much better in most situations

[wise needle]

I have my case set on oen of those mats for office chairs

Onej

One****

Wait I can edit my words duh..

[full flint]

The goal is don’t suffocate it

[wise needle]

Yessir ill have plenty of airflow

[full flint]

My fan setup is all screwed up but once all those fans come in I’m gonna fix everything

I currently have my top fans as intake and my bottom as exhaust

It’s all fudged up

My PCs are by a window and my room usually has negative pressure (air comes in forcefully through the window), so my logic was suck the cold air in that comes overtop the PCs. But it hasn’t worked too well since I flipped stuff around a few days ago and my thermals are real sucky.

I think it’s just naturally being counteracted by the fact that heat rises, so the top fans just kind of stalemate with rising heat, and the bottom fan is pushing out fresh air meant for the GPU

[hushed agate]

Well, efficiency curves are one thing. It'll still produce the same amount of heat as its lower-end counterpart, but 750 at a 400W power-draw can be more trouble than it's worth depending on upgrade pathways. They mentioned that they might get higher-end equip which is fine, but getting anything more than 900W for efficiency curve reasons is a bit of a misunderstanding on how power is transformed. It's why power-efficiency ratings are so important

[full flint]

from the convo in #general-chat
https://youtu.be/n0z3R2exRPQ

ah there is titan rtx too

[deft saffron]

Hmm I only seen 2060 one

Okay so Im just looking for the lows?

[full flint]

wait what pentium was it again?

[deft saffron]

G5400

I just don't see the issue at all with these videos some pc players would scream about bottlenecking if they seen this

And the worse I saw was me trying to do 3200 x 1800 and got 15 fps

[full flint]

most who get 2060s probably dont have pentiums with them either

I would definitely recommebd at least a quad core or better these days though

[deft saffron]

I don't have one Im just trying to find more info on bottlenecking and things

I was told bottlenecking could cause low fps and won't use gpu to full potential

I noticed in video you sent a small skip when witcher was riding horse

That was it as far as I can tell

[full flint]

think thats more at 1080p, but higher res not as much
then again it depends on how the game runs

[deft saffron]

But I just bought a i5 7400 and rtx 2060

Feel confident after seeing that video

[smoky flame]

7400 has no hyperthreading (4c/4t) so just look out for games that like to look for extra threads as that CPU may very well sit at 100% usage most times in those games. 2060 is decent. Will apparently get the job done at 1080p 60+ FPS

also, looking at the price of the i5 7400 you could have got a Ryzen 5 3600 for roughly the same sort of price (unless you bought it used). 3600 would have given you 6 cores and 12 threads along with much higher core clocks and likely overall better performing CPU than the 7400

[autumn sluice]

AMD>Intel for CPU nowadays

In certain cases Intel has a couple better chips but only a couple

[smoky flame]

only thing really saving Intel just now is the higher frequencies on some of their CPUs. If you were to put that to one side and have CPUs from both Intel and AMD run at the same frequency I think it would be very difficult to pick Intel over AMD. At that point core frequency is no longer the deciding factor, it would be the cost of both CPUs and I don't think I could see anyone picking a £467+ 9900K* over AMD's £259 3700X or £318 3800X - Latest prices shown on pcpartpicker.

• 9900K requires the purchase of a CPU cooler further adding to the cost while AMD's CPUs come with a cooler out of the box

[autumn sluice]

I love the wraith hypercooler

[languid kestrel]

picked up a cheap gaming laptop today

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-asus-tuf-gaming-fx505dy-bq009t-fhd-ryzen-5-3550h-8gb-ddr4-256gb-nvme-ssd-4gb-radeon-rx-560x-win1

[full flint]

welp if things go accordingly I should have an amd ryzen pc by 2022 with all SSDs unless the market changes
monitor I will have to find one on sale...

[smoky flame]

if all goes accordingly? By 2022 we could have DDR5 support for Ryzen and potentially require a new socket to support ever more powerful CPUs. Even GPUs in 2022 could turn out to be more expensive

[full flint]

yeah thats why I mentioned the market changes

if thats the case ill end up with series x for the time being

[smoky flame]

tech market changes don't seem to be too bad so far. Prices aren't flying but I'm not monitoring them live or that. Day by day at best

[full flint]

I'm not either but there has been some price creeps

[full flint]

found the nvidia link
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-gtc-2020-keynote-with-ceo-jensen-huang-set-for-may-14

[autumn sluice]

[full flint]

Finally

Gonna put my trumpbux to good use

[autumn sluice]

YEEEEP

[silver river]

Anyone have any PC servers for like helping people build PCs

[full flint]

@silver river watch YouTube videos

[silver river]

Bruh

Did Navy SEALS watch Youtube videos to learn how to fight in war?

No, they trained anddid it them selves

I want 1:1 feedback to learn how to do it

[full flint]

no im pretty sure they used discord to learn how to fight in war

[ruby spear]

reddit.com/r/buildapc

[silver river]

Okay thanks

[full flint]

I’m almost certain they used reddit to train

@silver river the best way to learn anything about computers is to install gentoo

[silver river]

Its all good now, I had a professional look at a list I made and he fixed it a little and so I have a good list of parts to order and build

[full flint]

Anyone could be a “professional” at building pc’s

It’s like LEGO but with more wires

[quasi storm]

And learn about IRQ channels!

[silver river]

He has a certified job at Best Buy and works in the PC section

[ruby spear]

Ah, so someone who learned from YouTube videos?

😄

[silver river]

?

That makes no sense

[quasi storm]

You don't even need an A+ to get that job

[full flint]

:I

[silver river]

So? At least I know he actually has knowledge of PCs and that I get 1:1 feedbCk

[thorny cypress]

there are literally zero qualifications required to work in the PC section at Best buy

[silver river]

Well the all the other people agreed with his list...

Its better than watching a video without help

[thorny cypress]

we're saying that working at Best Buy isn't a qualification

[full flint]

do you know how to build legos

[silver river]

No

[lusty oak]

I built my PC using a guide from a magazine

[thorny cypress]

watching someone from YouTube like JayzTwoCents, who has built hundreds of PCs, and does walkthroughs and lots of really good educational teaching of building, is a good source for learning how to build

[silver river]

I thought your talkong about Best Buy, also I mentioned the 1:1 feedback for commentary and direct help

[quasi storm]

The thing is mainly the qualifier of saying said person is a professional because of Best Buy. Of course if you go into a store with a list they're going to advise some things changed to stuff they can sell so that they earn money. Now if had just said it's a person I know that has built PC's before and they were giving you some ideas it would have been a different reaction

[silver river]

"Other people agreed with his list" I said that, so its just not one employee trying to scam me.

[quasi storm]

You didn't say who the other's were, for all we know it's other employees

[silver river]

No we actuslly dont

[quasi storm]

For example, I could go into any electronics store and ask their "expert" on networking equipment something simple like what piece of equipment would work best for vlan usage and I guarantee that they won't be able to just answer it

[silver river]

Umm, okay?

[lusty oak]

the guy you talked to, he works on the floor, in the PC section?

Finn?

[quasi storm]

Point is, we've given you some ideas on stuff to look into which will net you better advice and results

[silver river]

Nah I said it was solved, your telling me "assumed" examples of things that you think would happen. But the ideas are appreciated.

@lusty oak he says he works in best buy and usually helps people in building PCs

I gtg, Im done with this conversation

[lusty oak]

lmao

[full flint]

That sounds more like geek squad than Best Buy

Since Best Buy doesn’t build pc. They, at best, help someone pick out parts

A professional is not the same thing as an expert, don’t forget

[silver river]

(Thats what Im guessing what he meant)

Anyways gtg

[lusty oak]

he's a salesman, not a tech

[full flint]

More experts post on YouTube

[lusty oak]

I trust the employees at Micro Center more than I do Best Buy

[full flint]

Even geek squad isn’t really all that knowledgeable on PCs

They’re the Genius Bar of Best Buy

[silver river]

(When the entire server is based off of PCs and guides to building Pcs, and surrounded by thousands of experts and when I said other people agree with him...)

[charred rock]

anyone can provide tech support if given a script and regimented list of steps to follow

[full flint]

Experts you say? Some big names that are co side red experts?

[lusty oak]

what's Genius Bar

[full flint]

Because “expert” carry weight

@lusty oak Apple store’s Genius Bar

[charred rock]

Genius Bar is in Apple Stores... and are staffed by... wait for it... Geniuses... that's their title... Genius

[silver river]

"A professional is not the same as an expert" -Darkhullahan

[full flint]

A professional is someone who gets paid to do something. And makes a living off it

An expert is one who knows most if not all things regarding the subject field

Example. A tutor is a professional, a professor is an expert

[silver river]

Then why continue the conversation when we concluded most of this tooic

Topic*

[lusty oak]

I see, I have never actually been inside an Apple Store

Finn, we can converse among ourselves, ya?

[silver river]

Uh huh, but leave me out of it

[full flint]

I thought you had to leave Finn. The topic was continuing on without you

[lusty oak]

nobody mentioned you

[silver river]

Uh huh, well anyways bye

[lusty oak]

I'm about to buy a lifetime sub to Nexus

[full flint]

It’s only like what, $100 for a lifetime thing?

If we’re talking about nexusmods

[lusty oak]

$61

[full flint]

Ah. Even better

[lusty oak]

yes, nexusmods

[full flint]

[lusty oak]

what reviews

[ruby spear]

Yes, but there were changes in the law and T&Cs that they need to state when something is sponsored, so more will make that clear now.

[lusty oak]

the talk was about using YouTube guide videos for building your own PC

[smoky flame]

yeah, my bad. Sunday morning me...

[lusty oak]

heh

[smoky flame]

best advice I can give for building a PC, probably not relevant now is simply follow the manuals. Buy new and enjoy the experience.
First time I built the gaming PC I use today I really felt like crying. It was, in my eyes an achievement. Even today looking back I feel happy I done it but be warned. PC gaming may eventually take you away from console gaming. That's what it did with me. At one point I went from owning a PS4, Xbox One even a 3DS to now only being on PC 😄

[lusty oak]

I built my gaming PC around April 2013

in November 2013, I bought my Xbox One

since then, it's been maybe 65/35 in favor of the XB1

[smoky flame]

June 2016 was when I built mine. Took me roughly a year to save up for all the parts though and when I got all the boxes together my first thought going through my head was "yeah, this looks a lot tougher than I thought..."

[lusty oak]

I bought all my parts over the course of 2 months or so

but even with a $2000+ gaming PC, I still prefer console most days

🤷

[smoky flame]

I feel I made quite a few mistakes with my first build. Hence why it took me so long. I was saving up for quite a few premium components that may not have been needed and I could have saved a bit of money on and still got much the same system

motherboard I have for example. Asus maximus viii hero alpha. Can't remember exactly how much that cost me when it was bought but I seem to recall it being somewhere in the region of £200+ which going by today's Asus Hero motherboards (X570, X299, TR4 and Z390) is a steal! 😄

[full flint]

mine was overpriced
Think xbox use didn't get good until I got a bigger tv
now I have a switch...
I did get my pc in march 2018 though...
also the PC I didn't buy only the peripherals, wifi card and 1TB SSD...
If I waited a month I could have got a zen+ pc but then again ryzen was new and I had no idea what everything should be worth
Almost went with an i5 8400...
Also mine is a prebuilt from scan 3xs but I have opened it to install things which are pretty easy tbh...
(except maybe the extra drive)

[flint aurora]

i built my first pc in i think 2014

i was 8 or 9 i cant remember fullu

[smoky flame]

wow, you got into PC gaming really early

[full flint]

I used to play half life at that age
might have been earlier cant remember

[flint aurora]

@smoky flame Yeah

[tribal pilot]

playing metro exodus and it keeps opening in windowed mode and for the life of me cant figure out how to fix it.

[full flint]

Exodus is really finnicky

wait, they added windowed mode?

to my knowledge Exodus never had a windowed mode

[tribal pilot]

No there’s no way to adjust that it just opens up in windowed mode lol

[full flint]

yeah. try alt-ent

cause I know for a fact the game only supported fullscreen, so something's bugging out

which isn't all too uncommon with 4A, vodka and duct tape after all

[tribal pilot]

Tried that. Looked up online and it says delete my config file for metro tho o don’t think I can access that since it’s a game pass game.

[full flint]

the config file should be stored elsewhere

[tribal pilot]

Ok That’s good I’ll look

Deleted the contents it was all my settings and I did a disk clean up so far it’s working very weird.

[full flint]

%LOCALAPPDATA%\Packages\DeepSilver.ProjectWindfall_hmv7qcest37me\SystemAppData\wgs

for MS Store version

[tribal pilot]

Guess there is a way to make it windowed tho don’t know how I did it. Well not really windowed more like taking up half the screen and you can click off of it.

[full flint]

you broke it windowed

basically

[tribal pilot]

I installed some dlc maybe that did it. Or the game got mad at me for not playing in a month.

[full flint]

Try repairing the app from windows settings

[full flint]

think I fixed my monitor settings

[full flint]

I’ve discovered I have by far the worst keyboard in existence

It’s an atrocity to electronics-kind

And this somehow makes it indestructible, meaning if I wait for it to fail, I’ll be waiting forever

[full flint]

what keyboard? probably havent heard of it...

[smoky flame]

from the short time I spent with Metro Exodus (Windows 10 version) on my brother's PC I found it to be a whole lot more annoying than the Epic version. Steam version seems fine too, from what I've heard at least but Windows 10 forces DirectX 12 and with it a whole lot of instability. Better off sticking to DirectX 11 in games that have the option to pick between DirectX 11 or DirectX 12 as it seems they just aren't built to work together or devs should consider dropping DirectX 11 support and look to making their games DirectX 12 native

[full flint]

It's like, easily the cheapest offbrand keyboard that money can't buy

I'm sure it was intended to use a membrane design, but this is going too far

huh
I'd rather have some dell oem from a few years back

[smoky flame]

OMG, first time seeing this 😄 https://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/20-series/geforcer-rtx-super-series/galax-geforce-rtx-2080-super-ex-1click-pink.html

[full flint]

I assume you have seen the pink razer gear too?

not fuchsia enough for me

[quasi storm]

There needs to be more purple stuff

[full flint]

purple's alright, fuchsia is supreme

😛

[quasi storm]

[smoky flame]

yeah, I've seen the pink gear from Razer and even ASUS republic of gamers (ROG)

[modern hare]

I want to build a gaming pc but like I have no reason to do it

[smoky flame]

no reason?

[full flint]

[full flint]

Galax makes all sorts of goofy stuff

They have huge 2080tis with LCD screens in the side

[smoky flame]

yeah, I forgot what Galax were for most of the day until I looked at their HOF 2080 Ti GPUs then it reminded me... That thing has 3x 8 pin connectors!

[flint aurora]

omg the Hall Of Fame 2080ti :000

unbinned if i remember

[smoky flame]

I don't really know all the juicy details to it besides the already known 2080 Ti specs and price but it sure is crazy. 2080 Ti was already crazy enough but some of the stuff these AIB partners do take it even further

[flint aurora]

Yeah.

If you look on benchmarks, HOF 2080tis are ALWAYS on top. Some people have stupid OCs on them.

[full flint]

https://twitter.com/GOGGalaxy/status/1254707765882347526?s=20

GOG GALAXY 2.0 (@GOGGalaxy)

Update 5 is live!

We're happy to announce that displaying & managing games owned from subscriptions, among other cool new features, are now a part of #GOGALAXY 2.0

Download now 👉 https://t.co/aZZHMpb6dL

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[full flint]

@smoky flame
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/galax-intros-geforce-rtx-2070-super-ex-pink-edition.266295/

[smoky flame]

that's what I seen earlier just I ended up going on Galax's site and linking their 2080 Super instead lol

[full flint]

https://twitter.com/XboxGamePassPC/status/1255164883257028608

Xbox Game Pass For PC (@XboxGamePassPC)

Our new PC rig is a BEAST. Who else is loading up Tactics today? https://t.co/bpM9mbjhZ3

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they weren't lying...

[smoky flame]

core i7 That's so 2017! 😄

[full flint]

It’s a 9700k though. Best gaming focused CPU out there that’s not $500

Easy 5ghz

[smoky flame]

9700K has no hyperthreading and still costs more than AMD's Ryzen 8 core offerings that do have hyperthreading (SMT) and even a cooler thrown in

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/WtyV3C,qryV3C,QKJtt6/

[full flint]

Which is why I clarified gaming focused

They cut threads to cut costs and still allow a 5ghz overclock on most of them. AMD chips in general are good all around purpose.

You’re gonna get more frames with an OC 9700k than a OC 3800x

This is the niche selling point that intel fills

And why they’re not wiped off the market yet

personally wouldn't drop that much just for higher frames (talkin about 240fps 1080p or
better)
unless I was a competitive esports player or something

most of the games I play aren't fps eiher maybe thats why too

A lot of people wouldn’t either. But there will always be people looking for the maximum performance possible, and intel will always be around because of that

If you’re building a 3 grand pc, you probably don’t give 2 shiz about the “best value for your dollar”

You just want the best.

And that’s where the 9900k reigns supreme

never went that high
and most will probably get that cpu

Mine was 2800. Only went with an 8700k

idk if they are the same people who had i7 8700k and 1080ti pcs though

Got a 2080ti instead because a 8700k/2080ti will outperform a 9900k/2080

I can't see myself spending over £1000 on a gpu as well
then again does depemd on the monitor you use
most of the pc games I have seen on ultra probably look better on different monitors but then again haven't gone into the enthuasist level hardware at all

[smoky flame]

I'm the sort that looks for maximum performance but at the same time very hesitant to touch another Intel CPU. Without that 5Ghz Intel seem to really love marketing since the 7700K Intel would be in a whole lot more trouble right now I think

IPC and prices on AMD's Zen2 CPUs make AMD suddenly very competitive and I don't even think Intel's 10th gen desktop CPUs will save them. Zen3 is likely to launch later this year with further improvements before Intel can even move away from 14nm. No way will 10th gen hold Zen3

[full flint]

my first pc could have been a i7 8700k and 1080ti but it was quite expensive at the time...

Who knows man

We’ve already seen 6ghz clocks on the i9

They could drop a line of 5.5-6ghz boost processors and AMD would still be trying for 5

The niche would still exist and intel would still make a ton of money

[jagged cedar]

My i9 9900k can hit 5ghz on all cores but throttles so dropped it to 4.87 or so. Hoping I win the silicon lottery next chip I get

[full flint]

Pretty sure I won the 2700x lottery

Right now with an ok motherboard I’m getting 4.35ghz

That’s with 3400mhz being the board’s max OC and some 3600 cl19 ram paired with it, running at 3300mhz

If I got an x570 or a tomahawk max and some 3600 cl16 I could probably break the cinebench record

The record was set at 4.4ghz

[jagged cedar]

Nice. That was one thing I should have done was went with a better MB and I could probably hit the 5Ghz mark without throttle. It was stable and didn’t crash but I’m not down with it throttling lol

[smoky flame]

can't wait to move on from my 6700K. It is going to happen this year... sometime, just no idea when

[jagged cedar]

Right now I’m running the i9 9900k @ 4.87, 2080ti Kingpin at 2200 MHz locked and stable, 64 GB of ram @ 3800 MHz and 970 pro m.2 drives

Cannot wait until the 3000 series comes out. If the 10th gen Intel was a nice step up I would have moved over to that but not enough of a jump from a 9900k

[full flint]

wow

then again speed isnt everything

[flint aurora]

dayumm that must of cost an arm and a leg

[jagged cedar]

Honestly no idea. After I decided to buy a Kingpin I stopped keeping track

[full flint]

If you have all the reciepts should be able to tally up costs

[jagged cedar]

Yeah I have them. I got a lot of stuff on sale and pretty good prices between Newegg and amazon

[deft saffron]

Sub zero should I return it?

[deft saffron]

@smoky flame

[full flint]

gonna leave this here
https://www.techpowerup.com/266316/amd-to-support-ddr5-lpddr5-and-pci-express-gen-5-0-by-2022-intel-first-to-market-with-ddr5

subject to change of course

[smoky flame]

@deft saffron hey, sorry for not responding.
In terms of the CPU you have, as I said earlier it is pretty poor. The i5-7400 can't be overclocked and is locked to a turbo core frequency of 3.5GHz, not sure if that applies to all cores or single core but that is very weak.
Unfortunately though, it gets worse. Your CPU is quad core but it has no hyperthreading meaning it is a 4 cores/4 threads CPU and in some games( particularly the newer ones) that can be a problem since the CPU may end up reaching 100% usage more often and you may end up with reduced performance as a result compared to CPUs with more cores and threads.

[deft saffron]

So I got robbed and should return to get better cpu? I like games like Assassin Creed Odyssey and Cyber Punk I don't stream and next gen games are going to be more demanding next year

[smoky flame]

Assassin's Creed Odyssey your CPU will definitely struggle. I play that game at maxed settings and my 6700K hits 100% usage quite often and that is a 4 cores/8 threads CPU. No idea how Cyberpunk will turn out so no point in trying to make guesses on that

if you can, try and get the AMD Ryzen 5 3600. Similar cost to an i5-7400 but that is where the similarities end. You would end up with a very nice increase of 2 cores and 8 threads over what you have already plus it can be overclocked but from what I've heard what it runs at out of the box tends to be solid for most users

[full flint]

a lot recommend the 1600af

its a 2600 for $85 or was

[deft saffron]

Ok thanks I will return I got robbed ouch

[lusty oak]

idk about robbed, it was just not what you expected 🤷

[smoky flame]

1600AF is another great choice. I just recommend the newest CPUs and with B550 coming soon, Zen2 CPU owners no longer have to part with the premium prices set on X570 or compromise on a B450/MAX motherboard that may not provide all the Zen2 features

Zen3 won't be too far out either so look out for that

[deft saffron]

Ok thank you

[mighty mist]

Hey guys, I have recently been introduced to building my own pc and I’m very abruptly being put to a stop in this process by a problem.. I tried turning on my pc after putting all the parts on my motherboard, and now I’ve gotten this orange solid light? Some people have told me it could be the wiring, but that’s just it, I have no clue how to wire my pc or organize the wires.. I feel kinda lost here and I’ve spent a lot of money on this personal build, what do you guys have to say?

I’m trying to switch from Xbox one to pc gaming and it’s hard to do when I don’t even know how to put my custom pc together with regards to my wires 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣

[deft saffron]

Thats y im scared of building pc

[smoky flame]

best advice on that. Be sure to follow the manuals. Read them as many times as you need to. I found the wiring to be the worst part too when I completed my first build but just take your time. There is no real rush, even though it is very exciting to get a PC up and running successfully

[deft saffron]

They said its like legos but lied

[smoky flame]

btw, King are you US? Just comparing CPU prices just now and it may actually be a bit worse than I thought...

[deft saffron]

Yes I'm from US

[mighty mist]

My anticipation was so high to put this big guy together and I thought to myself hey quarantine aint gonna be so bad for me! I’ll have a brand new pc to play when my job gets shut down. Boy was I wrong loll

I’m US as well but I don’t think that’s relevant information lolll

[smoky flame]

ok, check this out... (King) https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qnM323,9nm323/

that 7400 is over $35 more expensive than a 3600. I had to look twice to made sure I wasn't seeing things. WTF

[deft saffron]

Omg wow

Y did he use old one then same price? Weird

[smoky flame]

yeah, Keiran. Just take your time. What specs you got? Sounds like a pretty powerful PC you are building 😮

[mighty mist]

Uhhhh hey thanks 😂umm I gotta look at the list I can’t even tell which is which cause my friend just put a list together for me

Give me a couple minutes and I’ll have a list to give since I can’t sent photos here

[jagged cedar]

where is the orange light you are getting? On the motherboard by the post code display assuming it has one?

[deft saffron]

https://m.bonanza.com/listings/Custom-Gaming-Desktop-PC-GeForce-RTX-2060-Core-i5-QUAD-Windows-10-SSD-HDD/802192387?goog_pla=1

What type of robbery is this

Y can't people just make a decent pc that fully matches the price then charge a extra $100 to profit

[smoky flame]

umm the CPU to that system you linked is even older than a 7400

[deft saffron]

Ik its insane

[smoky flame]

the GPU is probably the most premium component out of that whole system and unfortunately it will be held back somewhat by the CPU and DDR3 RAM

[deft saffron]

Y do they do that? Just make something reasonable and profit off $100-150 as extra charge

[autumn sluice]

Because it's for idiots who think big number means good

[mighty mist]

First PC Build List

Frame: Phanteks Eclipse P300A High Airflow Full-Metal Mesh Design, Compact ATX Mid-Tower, 120mm Black Case Fan, Black

Motherboard: ROG Strix X470-F GAMING Desktop Motherboard - AMD Chipset (rogstrixx470fgaming)

Hard Drive: Seagate BarraCuda 2TB Internal Hard Drive HDD – 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM 256MB Cache 3.5-Inch – Frustration Free Packaging (ST2000DM008)

Graphics Card: MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 2080 8GB GDRR6 256-bit VR Ready Graphics Card (RTX 2080 GAMING X TRIO)

Windows 10 Pro

Ram: G.Skill TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin 3600MHz (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C17D-16GTZR

SSD CARD: Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-76E1T0B/AM)

Desktop Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7 GHz (4.3 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 105W YD270XBGAFBOX Desktop Processor

The orange light is bottom right below my graphics/video card

On my motherboard

I can also send links but I didn’t know what was preferable

[smoky flame]

👍 very nice PC. You will have a ton of fun with that once finished I'm sure. Just hope you have a nice monitor ready to pair with it

[errant sorrel]

Worth seeing if you can get an m.2 SSD (if your PC supports it)

Not that an 860 EVO wouldnt work well, far from it

But if the difference in price isnt huge, m.2 SSDs are well worth it

and yeah get a sweet 144hz (or 240) 1ms IPS monitor with that

TN panel is fine too but IPS is definitely a lot nicer

[mighty mist]

Right now I have a smart tv I was gonna plug it into 🤪😅🤣

But I wanna get the monitor

Just so much money

[errant sorrel]

TV's really arent made for PCs man, huge input delay

Depends on the game you wanna play but id never ever play FPS games on a TV for example

[mighty mist]

Gotchaaaa

[errant sorrel]

144hz 1ms monitor can be found for around 150 euro nowadays I think

[mighty mist]

Yea I don’t know any of these things so I’m all ears

Ah but you see your money is worth stuff, I’m american bahHaha

That was a strange bahahaha pardon me

[deft saffron]

The world will be a better place if we had more people that charge to build pcs than make crappy pre builts

[smoky flame]

welcome to PC gaming. Expensive but well worth it in the end (imo at least) 🙂

[errant sorrel]

Generally ASUS, BenQ monitors are good

144hz, 1ms is what youre looking for

[mighty mist]

I think I honestly will adore this thing once I can get it to work guys because I rlly worked for it

[errant sorrel]

Itll make everything wayyyy smoother

[mighty mist]

Noted also

[errant sorrel]

Stay away from 60hz

https://www.144hzmonitors.com/best-24-inch-monitor/
Decent list

I can personally vouch for ASUS and BenQ monitors

[deft saffron]

No point of 144 hz if you aren't getting 120+ fps

[errant sorrel]

With that setup you should be getting good FPS

and even if you dont get 120fps, 144hz is still going to be smoother than a 60hz screen purely because of input delay as well

No point having such a great build and then getting a crappy screen or TV to play it on

It would be like buying a Ferrari and getting 5euro wheels

[smoky flame]

I highly recommend not going for any 4K monitors. Your system is powerful but 4K, unless you plan to play at a mix of medium to high settings will test your system right to its limits. 1440p 144hz and IPS would be a better choice

[errant sorrel]

Yep

144hz 1ms IPS screen should be affordable now I think

Even 1080p is perfectly fine

Personally use a 1080p 240hz screen cus i play competitive FPS games

[smoky flame]

I keep getting told 1080p is bad these days, lol

[errant sorrel]

Probably by people who use 4K 60hz screens and have screen tearing all over the place

If you can get IPS instead of TN though, its so much nicer

[jagged cedar]

I’m loving 21:9 monitors if you can get a good 21:9 1440p @ 144hz go for that imho

[errant sorrel]

My laptop has an IPS screen and the colors are so much better than my TN panel on PC (BenQ XL2540)

[smoky flame]

widescreen has a little extra impact on performance - worth keeping in mind I think

[errant sorrel]

I dont like ultrawide monitors personally, it looks odd to me

Also hurts my neck

[deft saffron]

Freesync is so nice

[jagged cedar]

A little bit yeah it does.

[errant sorrel]

Had one at work and i had to turn my head so much my neck actually hurt after a few months haha

[mighty mist]

Thanks for that monitor link btw, sorry, I’m having dinner w family atm

[lusty oak]

no phones at the table!

[smoky flame]

I really ought to get a new monitor myself some day but I feel I need to upgrade my PC too. Can't decide what to do. Not got the luxury of being able to do both at the same time though I do wish I could. Combined cost of a new monitor and PC upgrades could end up setting me back as much as £3000, maybe even more in these uncertain times

[errant sorrel]

No worries, if you find a monitor that you think might be good, you can DM me and ill let you know (going to sleep now so id reply in about 9 hours)

[deft saffron]

I think I will just keep that pc sub and wait till my pc builder is back open then ill upgrade cpu to rdna3 or so

If i can play next gen cpu demanding games at around 40 fps ill be fine

[smoky flame]

rdna3 is a GPU architecture that doesn't even exist yet

[deft saffron]

Wait what was the next cpu one i forgot?

[smoky flame]

Zen3, Ryzen 4000. Not to be confused with laptop Ryzen 4000 CPUs, they are Zen2 I believe

[deft saffron]

Yes Zen 3

[smoky flame]

they may launch some time this year. Rumours suggest September but we'll see when the time comes

[full flint]

CABLE

MANAGEMENT

LETS GOOOOOOOO

Still waiting for half of my new fans

[tribal pilot]

looks really cool.

[jagged cedar]

Very nice

[tribal pilot]

Playing gears of war tactics and it is really fun and looks great.

[full flint]

here 1440p 144hz IPS is around £400

starting

I have an asus monitor myself would definitely trade it for sonething else

[full flint]

if any of you have missed it this is the current requirements for ms flight simulator 2020 (on the website)
this may change when it officially launches

[full flint]

yeah, it's not changing

pretty demanding for the higher end I'd say

[ruby spear]

You've seen the game, right?

[full flint]

if anything that's not even high, high-end

that's just recommended base

[plucky marsh]

It's a lot higher than a lot of PC users will have. Its minimum is pretty fair though

[full flint]

It's surprising though

they were able to drop the bottom line so far with how the game looks

but LOD is a magical thing I guess

[plucky marsh]

Yeah, I'm definitely going to give it an install, but I imagine it's not going to look great on my laptop

[full flint]

I thought AI in the cloud was doing most of the work..

it's an always-online game

there's a lot more aspects to what the AI will focus on than that

weather patterns, animal patterns, erosion if applicable and wear and tear on the world

AI is not going to handle rendering

that's all local

with some other tech mixed in

my pc can run microsoft simulator x thats about it I think

[smoky flame]

why are those ideal specs recommending a Ryzen Pro CPU? Better yet do the Pro CPUs do anything different to the standard CPU?

[full flint]

hyperthreading

or well

the AMD equivalent

I'm sure AMD has some special form of SMT that they enact

[smoky flame]

thing is the 2700X (non Pro) already made use of SMT, both are 8/16 CPUs so I don't get it

[ruby spear]

@silver trellis No self promotion

[silver trellis]

@ruby spear No problem

[full flint]

If you're registered through ID@Xb you could see if they could tweet it out

[silver trellis]

@full flint I am

Let's see if that happens 😉

[full flint]

Good luck. 👍

Looks like an interesting title, I'll keep my eye out

[silver trellis]

Thanks!

[fluid wind]

does anybody here know if a Ti GPU is better than a super GPU?

i am very new to pc building

[smoky flame]

what Ti and Super GPU are we talking?

[fluid wind]

ok so my friend is looking to get 1660 Nvidia GPU

and he can't decide Ti or super

the GTX 1660

[full flint]

Ti are always stronger

Super are a newer line that are between normal and Ti

they usually offer near enough performance, but for a significantly lower cost

[fluid wind]

ok ty

[full flint]

if you want bleeding edge graphics, Ti

[smoky flame]

I was looking at their specs then going to look at a video. So far, on paper they are very close but where it truly matters is how both GPUs perform head to head

[full flint]

I only reference performance metrics

on paper they're close to identical

[errant sorrel]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1660S-Super-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1660-Ti/4056vs4037

Not sure how accurate this website is, but they seem to be more or less similar

[smoky flame]

yeah, I can see that. Ti has more cores but lower memory bandwidth and a few other things

a video comparing them both around a month ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqUjJLZPglw

[full flint]

turing series just isn't worth it imo, regardless

I'd suggest to your friend to wait and see what NVIDIA unveils on the 28th

since the next gen GPU for both NVIDIA and AMD are right around the corner

[smoky flame]

28th? don't you mean May 15th?

[full flint]

they moved it up?

it was originally scheduled for the 28th

or, no. that might be business-end solutions

[smoky flame]

basically what I gather from that video I linked is performance between the two GPUs is around 10% of a difference and going by techpowerup's database they launched at around $50 apart. $229 and $279 respectively. That's over 20% if my maths is correct

[full flint]

the 16 series are a lot closer of a price-to-performance metric

the 20 series are where the price:performance skews

[smoky flame]

yeah, looking at the whole 16 series line on techpowerup it looks pretty saturated

GDDR5, GDDR6, Ti and Super options all in one group so close together. Pretty messed up

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/?generation=GeForce+16&sort=generation

two different GPU chips too

[full flint]

the GDDR6 is a refresh model

they just updated all of the new models to use GDDR6 a few weeks ago

[smoky flame]

Couldn't they have just launched it with GDDR6 from the start? Would have meant no reason for Super refreshes. Also, seeing a TI GPU that isn't the almighty 2080 Ti is just odd. I know Nvidia have released plenty of non 80 Ti GPUs in the past but I thought it would be like some sort of status to people looking at Ti cards. Ti really should be set apart from the rest imo

1650: TU117 chip, 4GB GDDR6 128 bit
1660: TU116 chip, 6GB GDDR6 192 bit.
Two GPUs would have been a lot more simple than the six Techpowerup's database shows

[full flint]

you're asking NVIDIA to make consumer-friendly decisions and lower their bottom line?

how brash

think we will see 30xx and 30xx super too

[full flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk3bmPTZ_AU

absolutely bonkers

nice my 1060 can run that game at 1440p 60 if I wanted to

[flint aurora]

thats good

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/Op0YkiMm8TQ

[tribal pilot]

Is star citizen playable yet? Or worth checking out?

[full flint]

intel comet lake s is being announed today

10th gen desktop processors

[full flint]

I'm surprised people still talk about intel, AMD's been killing it. so we'll have to see where intel goes

has been leaked already so will see if it is real

[full flint]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-04-30-intel-announces-full-line-up-of-10th-gen-desktop-cpus

10900k benchmarks out

leaks were right btw

[smoky flame]

those prices won't be right though or are they?

[full flint]

we'll have to see

boards
https://youtu.be/1Z8z7x-4AJI

[smoky flame]

either way, going by those prices there is still a premium to pay and as such I will continue to recommend AMD over Intel

[full flint]

agreed
think some will buy the i9 10900k though

10 core 20 threads up to 5.3ghz

[smoky flame]

they will and I can't stop them since it is their money but for a similar price AMD do offer the 3900X

[full flint]

all motherboard vendors have promotional videos up too of course

for z490

[smoky flame]

z490 said to cost similar to AMD's X570. Starting from $200. If that is true then not only do buyers have to put up with premium prices on these CPUs but even the motherboard prices have gone premium too

[full flint]

the msi meg z490 godlike I think will be the most expensive
or one of them

https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/leo-waldock/intel-z490-preview-first-look-at-the-motherboards/
heres written review

[smoky flame]

going by X570 motherboard prices for some idea as to how much (part of) a build could come to $488 on the 10900K from that leaked image Dark posted above and I'll use the price of the Crosshair VIII Hero, which is $360 ($500 for the wifi model!!!) according to pcpartpicker right now. Still got to factor in a CPU cooler too. That's easily a $900+ upgrade.

[sacred iron]

what are you guys thinking about the intel 10th gen desktop chips

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_my5U_AQuJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[smoky flame]

the figures on paper don't look that impressive imo. Will be interested to see how they actually perform in varying tasks but their price may be too much

something I'm a bit curious about. Intel KF CPUs, the ones without Intel's integrated graphics. Since that is gone should that not open up these KF CPUs to better overclocking results since there is no added heat from the iGPU?

[full flint]

we will see based on price

also I am not sure about the KF ones either

[full flint]

I’m interested to see how hard they can be overclocked

Won’t surprise me to see 5.5+ all cores

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/processors/core/10th-gen-core-desktop-brief.html
here you go

[jagged cedar]

I can’t see 5.5 on water alone. I could see that on ln2 though.

KF ones generally have OC’ed the same if not lower.

iirc. I would have to look at some scores again but from what I recall they have been roughly the same as K

[full flint]

I mean people are getting 5 all core on 8700k with water.

On a chip intended for 4.4-4.1 across cores

[jagged cedar]

right but that is a 6 core CPU

[full flint]

Hell they did 5.5 on water with the 9900k

that was like the best bin anyone has found

So I don’t see 5.5 on most 10900ks being an issue

On a chip .3ghz higher single core

[jagged cedar]

wow that's impressive 5.5 on water for a 9900k I know most can hit 5.1 but throttle and needs more than a 240

[full flint]

A 420 with some good fans will change everything

Or even just a 360

[jagged cedar]

yeah a 360 would work

[full flint]

I run a 360 on my 2700x and have a stable 4.35ghz with lackluster supporting parts

I get 4.7 with the 8700k but haven’t pushed it

I think a delid 10900k will hit 5.5 stable for most chips. Not all, but most. It would shock me if 5.3 all core was the limit

[jagged cedar]

my next build I'm running a 360

oh delid for sure will hit it.

I cannot see many people doing that for their cpu though unless you are serious about OC

[full flint]

I have a feeling more people will care

With vulkan and DX12 being rapidly adopted

[jagged cedar]

maybe a lot do delid idk, just hard to imagine many people doing that and running more than a AIO

[full flint]

I don’t delid. But I think 5.5 will still be hittable without it.

[jagged cedar]

one would hope. If they do and it can be done with say a 280 they are in good shape

[sacred iron]

geforce 3000 leaks came out

[full flint]

dont post here

[dusty vector]

We don't discuss leaks here.

[autumn sluice]

So my friend would like to know if he should upgrade his rx580 now or wait to

[full flint]

wait

Finally done

7 silent wing 3s, 4 140mm and 3 120mm

And a cablemanaged to hell

My GPU is starting to sag and it makes me laugh honestly

[modest gulch]

Needs moar cowbell.

[full flint]

^ this tbh

RGB?

no.

see

I've got a feever

and the only prescription....

RGB.

is more cowbell

cowbell

RGB

https://tenor.com/view/cow-bell-fever-guees-what-gif-8044196

[plucky marsh]

I'm not a fan of RGB

[full flint]

Faster RGB

[plucky marsh]

Looks mad off putting

[full flint]

RGB? lame

monocolor....fuchsia specifically

[smoky flame]

is it even possible to go completely RGBless with a PC these days?

[full flint]

yes

[lusty oak]

just give me two colors... purple and yellow

[full flint]

fuchsia and black

vantablack

but only in certain areas

I don’t have it plugged back in completely so the cpu and GPU are color cycling

that, good sire, does not look like Fuchsia

you'll see the light one day

blame Razer for my abhorrent obsession with fuchsia

it all started with green

I didn’t realize that was a real color

.....

you know

I never thought about it this way

it's a perfectly symmetrical color

There you go cowboy

FF0 0FF

255| 0 |255

goalz

You know

I just don’t like the look of tubes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

normally I don't either

but the way they have that emissive

in contrast to the black

it's just....so good

it all started in warframe

Moar color

many years ago

non non

[smoky flame]

fashionframe is crazy

[full flint]

that build above is a tribute-system

to that character

well..her non-avatar form

[plucky marsh]

When I eventually get a pc I am buying rgbless stuff even if it's not as good

Can't stand the lights 😅

[full flint]

can always get a case with no side panels

[plucky marsh]

Yeah, as long as it doesn't leak any light then I'll be happy with that

[full flint]

like one of these
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/fractal-design-define-c-mid-tower-computer-chassis-atx-matx-mitx-w-sound-damping-moduvent-technology?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7-X4pIOR6QIViLPtCh2z7QNCEAQYAyABEgLdpPD_BwE

[flint aurora]

@full flint looks a bit like mine kinda

[plucky marsh]

Yeah I like that a lot

[full flint]

@plucky marsh non RGB stuff is usually better actually

That’s why all my fans are non RGB

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/z8OPabt767U

not that demanding
seen a 2080ti do 4K 100+ fps can anyone confirm?

[full flint]

Well I can do that in warzone so

[plucky marsh]

I'm still hitting 40-50 in warzone at times

[full flint]

I run 1080p at 200% render with highest texture resolution then everything else as low as it goes and get between 80-200. It’s super variable

[plucky marsh]

When I start the game it's always bordered windowed and at 66% render

I usually full screen it and 100% render but if I keep that at 66%, should my FPS increase? It looks a bit fuzzy though

[sacred iron]

hi

Looking for a laptop for my friend got to have a big screen and the budget here is $500 for his birthday a gift for him

[full flint]

Mine goes 66% borderless after every update

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I ought to just lock the config file like I did to overwatch

[autumn sluice]

@full flint I approve the Kuroyukihime build

[full flint]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2893767/pc-gamers-wont-pay-to-play-xbox-live-games-online-and-console-owners-are-furious.html

[dusty vector]

Boy, that sure has gotten traction in the past five years

[full flint]

@dusty vector ikr

[modest gulch]

I said that very thing once. Then after spending 4 hours on the phone with Sierra Online, slogging through BIOS settings to get a game to run and then spent 2 hours trying to figure out why a match wouldn't connect. Shortly after that, I tried Live and realized the only effort I needed was to put a disc into a console and was already online.

Few years after that I was spared getting off the couch to put the disc in.

[full flint]

Can i run ray tracing on my 2010 dell

No

[atomic tangle]

is party chat not working for some people using Xbox Console Companion?

[full flint]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15752/displayport-alt-mode-20-spec-released

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion-5-with-AMD-Ryzen-4800H-is-now-customizable.463396.0.html
needs better gpu

[full flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2rnTh5keD0&feature=youtu.be

[deft saffron]

Is DLSS the same as dynamic resolution?

[full flint]

no

[deft saffron]

So which is better?

[full flint]

that's not how that works

[deft saffron]

K

[full flint]

DSR dates back to maxwell which is around 2014 if I remember

DSR is not Dynamic Resolution

they're very different things

https://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/technology/dsr/technology
2014

wow you can use dsr on a gtx 470

long before my pc gaming journey began

https://www.dsogaming.com/screenshot-news/here-are-some-4k-max-settings-pc-screenshots-from-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-remastered/

once again, DSR is entirely unrelated to what they were asking

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/kt6Vd2rqs88

still not 4K 60 at higher settings but can reach it

I mean. At best it’s as intensive as black ops 4

oh

It’s using the old engine

It’s not going to require much to run

[full flint]

Scan UK mentions the perfect gaming setup but no mention of a desk or anything 😂
looks like more promotional stuff anyway may get a monitor soon from them if prices are decent, otherwise amazon it is

why would they mention a desk

its part of a setup no?

monitors still expensive