I mean, yeah price would be ridiculous but imagine a dev using its all power and making a game
#pc-gaming
full flint
With a strong GPU ofc
What would we get? Thousands of NPC's fighting at the same time without any stuttering for example
ruby spear
30fps in Ark 😂
full flint
Yeah heard that game but never interested. I assume it's really poor optimized?
ruby spear
It was when I played it.
full flint
@hollow elbow It depends what you are doing tbh...
Also what macbook pro
it's gotten a lot better with newer tech
tribal pilot
So I got the 4k pack for my final fantasy xv and my 1080 was not up to the task at all for that.
full flint
@tribal pilot the 1080Ti can only do 1080@30
You need at minimum a Titan Xp for 4k@60
Titan V was the recommended at the time
Titan RTX is optimal for everything maxed
That’s everything maxed though for each. Except the Titan V and Xp.
You’ll get 60 in some areas but dip to 10-20 in more intense locales
smoky flame
Titan Xp isn't that much faster than a 1080 Ti. How that can only do 1080p30 yet the Titan Xp can apparently do 4K60 I don't understand
full flint
Mid-low
I dissected that game. It’s tolerable on a 1060 3gb on mid low at 720-1080 dynamic
On average it’s 30-40fps
You can turn a few things off or remove 4k textures and it’ll run fine though
At the cost of tessellation and LOD
smoky flame
Sounds to me Final Fantasy XV is just a mess of a game. Yeah, I get the usual thing that PC games can't be optimised like console but come on. Expensive, high spec PC hardware should be the best of the best, ahead of its time type thing
full flint
It’s ironically really optimized
They just crammed it full of crap visually for the PC release
smoky flame
ahh, its one of those games
full flint
8k scalable Lanczos textures with included depth maps and tessellation data on top of their normals
Gotta pretty it up for NVIDIA ANSEL after all
smoky flame
lol, I've yet to touch Ansel
full flint
Do it during the food scenes haha
Especially maxed out
It’s very much eye candy of a game
And more intensive than Witcher 3 lol
I think the only one more intense is RDR2
smoky flame
not sure I'd play Final Fantasy XV tbh. Going through a phase just now where I bash just about every game for how it performs at maxed settings. Already uninstalled two games the past couple of weeks because of it. They join my short but growing list of games that just don't want to play nice at maxed settings
full flint
It’s a good game gameplay wise. The story is divisive in the community
But it’s still worth a play. A lot of the graphical settings are for ansel. Like NVIDIA terrain tech and other things like that
Those are the big hitters
Ampere should be able to handle it easily though
smoky flame
Watch Dogs 2, Red Dead Redemption 2 and Metro Exodus.
Three games I own and have played at maxed settings and all three of them disappointed me in how they performed.
I will revisit them some time but yeah. I see no point in devs cranking up those graphics so much to the point no PC for the time can run the game nicely
full flint
Watch Dogs 2 is just badly optimized in general
Metro Exodus is fine maxed out without RTX on a 10 series
I can play it on a 1060 3gb fine without that, but maxed out
Red Dead is both unoptimized and just extremely intense.
smoky flame
I found Metro Exodus had a lot of frame drops in certain maps. Maybe I'm just being harsh with my expectations on PC but I thought it was the place to be for going high end and expecting at least 60 fps even at maxed settings
full flint
Always give a buffer of 55-60
No newer game is going to be a constant 60 maxed out
Especially in more intense situations
smoky flame
yeah, I take exception to some FPS drops here and there but not much
full flint
Ultimately I’ll say it flat out if you want to run games on high for more than 2 years you need to start investing in Titan Cards
Otherwise you’ll need to upgrade to a flagship gamer model every year to other year. Maybe less with the upcoming curve in tech
smoky flame
even at 1080p? That is silly imo. Titan cards are their own thing now. I don't consider them a gamer card
full flint
They’ve never been a gamer card
I was referring to the “xx80” model cards
Those would need to be upgraded basically every major refresh
If you plan to have that mindset and keep up with major releases played at max settings with stable 60
smoky flame
I've done pretty well with the 1080 Ti so far. Two games since it launched that have fallen below my expectations and one that continued to since I owned my 980 Ti before
smoky flame
I only got into pc gaming from mid 2016. Bought the 980 Ti the year before I built my PC. Wasn't a smart thing to do hah
full flint
Moore’s Law is about to enter a new upcurve
Expect everything in the next 5-8 years to be advancing beyond extremely fast.
Even by today’s standards
tribal pilot
I am running at highest settings 1080 and getting 78 fps thats without the extra nivida crap that makes it looke worse. hairworks is cool but not worth the 10 frames you lose. Final fantasy xv is the first game that made me want to get a better graphics card everything else has played well. I plan on getting red dead 2 but might hold off untill I get the 2080 super.
smoky flame
That's good. Just hope prices aren't going to match this upcurve but guaranteed they will
full flint
Don’t get a 20 series
wait for ampere to drop
And get a 30 series
I’m sure you saw this Sub?
That’s in unreal engine. No extra plugins
tribal pilot
I wont be making a purchace untill end of year.
smoky flame
don't think I have seen it, no
full flint
Real-time Ray-Traced lighting is only the surface of Ray tracing calculations. (And also the least intensive)
There’s ray-traced physics, Ray-traced liquids, smoke, fire, etc
We haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of visual tech.
Even what we have now is hybridized with SSR
tribal pilot
but ray tracing does not seem worth it for the money you spend vs reward.
full flint
so technically we have yet to have fully ray traced shadows and light in real time
smoky flame
yeah, early days for ray tracing but exciting. Honestly can't wait to see how things advance
full flint
Ray-tracing itself is.
RTX 20 series is not
It was an early adoption of unoptimized tech
A marketing move on NVIDIA’s part
So that when the tech picks up, who’s the first company you’ll think of when you hear “Ray-tracing”
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tribal pilot
I hope the price stays the same for the 30 series and tyhe 20 series gets cheap. I dont want to have to spend 1300 for a 3080 or whatever they will call it
full flint
It’ll probably be around the price as 2080Ti
Not the super necessarily
But possibly the Ti
Especially if the projected clocks and memory amounts are correct
Higher clocks than Turing, much better performance, and 20gb of GDDR6 on the 3080
Most experts are estimating 30-50% higher performance on both raster AND ray traced visuals
smoky flame
for the time being even with RTX being Nvidia's whole marketing thing I think I will keep RTX off in games that support it. Since I know it wrecks performance. My expectations would keep on failing if I started including RTX as part of the whole maxed settings, 60+ FPS thing I have going
full flint
The new server grade GPUs are 75-80% faster than Volta or Turing (they didn’t specify)
Which either way it runs, Volta-based Server GPU are ridiculously powerful
tribal pilot
I biggest sticking point is price 800 I can do. when you say 1200 then its just not worth it. especialy If the year later another graphics card comes out. Seems like more and more graphics cards are coming out. wasint there a long pause on graphics cards when the 1080 came out. I am new to pc gaming so forgive me for lack of knowledge.
full flint
Typically Ti cards are the year after
2-3 years for an entirely new card architecture
Gaming is a luxury, but you have to budget yourself
tribal pilot
has it speed up? or are graphics cards releasing at the same speed.
full flint
Turing was a smaller bump at launch
The Super cards are an ok increase.
Ampere is expected to blow Turing out of the water entirely
Making the 2080 Super very much a mid-range card
At least. Based on the projections
tribal pilot
so next series is game changing and then the series after that should just be little better.
full flint
I’ll put it this way. The 30 series is releasing with next-gen. So they’re keeping the lead that pc graphics has
smoky flame
some would argue the launch of the Turing flagship gaming GPU (2080 Ti) was too early but I figured out it was about right and if timings are correct we are due a new flagship card really soon (from March)
full flint
It was. But it was unoptimized as far as RTX itself goes
tribal pilot
Is this all to keep ahead of consoles?
full flint
Yeah.
Among other things
If they don’t release a well-performing RTX card the line will be all but dead in the eyes of PC gaming
It’s basically a high-stakes gamble
smoky flame
I'd say it is more to set the standard. These GPUs are crazy powerful. Usually years ahead of console tech
full flint
That as well. Yeah
Moore’s Law has never stopped or slowed. It’s always working in the background
When one thing reaches the end of life that’s when it transitions into the replacement
Just think about graphics in 2010 vs now.
And then go back another 10, then another
tribal pilot
I am hoping the consoles like ps5 are about the same as a 1080 graphic wise. I know it wont be in the same in power. but consoles do incredable things with graphics they can work with.
full flint
That’s not going to stop or slow, if anything it’s speeding up, exponentially
smoky flame
lets take this current generation of consoles as an example.
November 2013 it started, at that point PS4 and Xbox One had to compete with the 780 Ti in terms of the top performing, flagship Nvidia gaming GPU and I'm pretty sure the 780 Ti destroyed the base PS4 and Xbox One in terms of "on paper performance".
tribal pilot
I think AI progress for games has not gotten better in the last 10 years. because everyone has been focused on graphics. would be nice to fight a AI that actually learned somewhat.
smoky flame
fast forward around 1 year and 6 months from the launch of the 780 Ti, June 2nd 2015. Nvidia launch the 980 Ti which was even more powerful again and console had no answer to it until PlayStation launched the PS4 Pro in November 2016, though even that wasn't a match for a 980 Ti in terms of specs
can't really be bothered to write the rest lol
tribal pilot
Well its a good thing consoles are catching up. Pc can now make bigger and better games beacause they are not limited to what they can also put on console.
full flint
Wait until deep learning takes off in the game dev space
You will hate that you ever asked for more advanced AI 😂
smoky flame
yeah, they are catching up, at least for now but it won't be long before advances in gaming GPUs repeat the trend again. Ampere may even wipe the floor with upcoming console specs before they even launch!
tribal pilot
The best thing about console for me is the game sharing so me and my girl can buy one game and put it on two systems. I mainly use the pc for single player games where I want the best graphics.
full flint
@smoky flame yeah I saw a benchmark of rdr2 with 780ti at 1440p, was around 30fps depending on settings
But if you were to compare a $400 PC to a $400 ps4 in 2013 to now (which imo you shouldnt) the pc would almost certainly struggle to run the games, while the ps4 still works...
Of course comparing a flagship gpu and console (which is basicially mid range or low end) released in the same year would leave the gpu victorius, at least on paper, and sometimes in real world too
A game like rdr2 (also ac odyssey) will run on both systems, even though its 30fps thats impressive for 7 year old hardware.
Although it does show the lack of improves at all, hopefully when the next gen launches we have a better baseline to work with (of course when the og xbox gets axed after cross-gen titles stop).
imagine what the rdr2 equavalent of the ps5/series x will be, and then determine how well the 2080ti/this gens 80ti card will run it, assuming this gen plays out like the last...
smoky flame
I think RDR2 will be a thorn in PC gamers backsides for a while yet and yeah, for the first few years until PS and Xbox ditch last gen there will still be some limitations I think in terms of what the newer console can and can't do. Ray tracing will no doubt be restricted to the new consoles but stuff like frame rate caps can't really be implemented.
I feel the sooner Xbox and PS drop the previous gen console support (after the release of the new consoles) the sooner the devs can really work on more impressive games that both PC and console gamers alike can enjoy without the older hardware holding anything back
full flint
yup
look at watch dogs 2012 vs release for example...
smoky flame
hah, yeah. That trailer and gameplay was quite a bit ahead of its time and the game on release was nowhere near as impressive but that stuff happened too often imo
Even The Division, in 2016 was doing it. E3 vs Retail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjhJ2ILAOM
full flint
I’m not looking forward to advanced AI
The new ai they put in Star Wars battlefront 2 play like real players sometimes and it catches me off guard
Like normal AI will roll/evade away from grenades. Sweaty players will roll/evade in the middle of an engagement to buy extra time, make you miss, and win a gunfight
Well now the AI do that
I don’t mind AI that play like AI. When they play like real people and get creative, that’s when it goes downhill
full flint
Isn't that what advanced AI is supposed to be?
like this
https://youtu.be/kopoLzvh5jY
smoky flame
Had a few people on another server having issues with Radeon drivers. Shame as I want to see AMD do well 🙁
full flint
https://youtu.be/1uynVO4ZXl0
this is the video if you want to watch it
shadow anchor
I need a good/ goated fn player on keys to 1v1 so I can get better (has eu)
full flint
There’s only one situation ever where I’ll recommend an AMD GPU, and that’s a strict $600 budget PC with no plans to upgrade in the future.
smoky flame
wouldn't someone under that situation not just be better buying a console? $600 won't get much in terms of a gaming PC for that money. Even buying used parts
smoky flame
yeah, I guess. Just becomes a bit of a headache trying to configure a decent build for $600 or so. It's not such a problem at higher budgets
smoky flame
I just tried on pcpartpicker and couldn't do it. By the time I got to the GPU I was screwed
still had the case and psu to include
full flint
No SSD, could go cheaper on some parts and fit one in
Swapped to quad core and added m.2. $580
smoky flame
I tried fitting a 3600 into a $600 budget, lol
Speaking of budgets though 🤔 I plan to upgrade my CPU this year and can't make up my mind what I want. All I do know is whatever I get I want it to last about as long as my 6700K has
tribal pilot
its cheaper to get a prebuilt. I saw a i7-8700 with a 2070 super and a 500g ssd and a 1tb hard drive for a 1100 on black friday. Im sure this year around that time they will have some good deals. I tried pc picker but it ended up costing more or the same as a pre built. With the building your pc at least you know its done right when you do it.
lusty oak
building your own really isn't that hard, plus it's easier to upgrade one part rather than replace the entire thing
tribal pilot
you can take prebuilts apart also and upgrade them depending on what you get.
lusty oak
true
full flint
It’s never cheaper
tribal pilot
I started with a prebuilt and half of it is not orignal parts. Im sure in the next 6 years none of it will be. For me its better one part at a time. But if I was looking for a complete brand new pc then I would buy pre built. Just cause depending on the sale or when you buy you can get it about 200 cheaper. Also having a warranty or a extend warranty on everything is good when you over clock your stuff.
full flint
prebuilts usually compromise on motherboard and memory
Prebuilts go 1 of 3 ways
- 80% of the budget goes into the GPU and CPU and you end up with a poor motherboard and ram that die in a few years
- You get all quality parts and pay a premium. This is where you spend way more than you would if you built it yourself.
- You get lackluster previous gen parts that they’re pretty much trying to get rid of
It’s number 1 most of the time
tribal pilot
I agree with all of that but if you wait untill lets say a year after a prebuilt came out you can get some good deals. and yeah you are roling the dice on how good they put it togethor but thats what the warrantys for. If your talking about cyberpower or some of those other companys then hell no lol
full flint
Think of it this way
You build it, or they build it and you pay extra
That’s what it boils down to in the end
They have to make money.
tribal pilot
yeah but they also have to cut thier losses if they have product sitting in a warehouse for 2 years they cut the price even if they lose money. yeah unless you find a good deal then its cheaper to build but if you research keep looking you can find one thats way cheaper then buying the parts yourself.
its like when a 2017 car is sitting on the lot they sale that stuff cheap if they have to get rid of it.
but you are right most the time yes its better and cheaper doing it yourself.
autumn sluice
@tribal pilot i literally just built a pc a month and a week ago. even on sale i built my pc for much cheaper than prebuilt
not to mention prebuilts are usually oem
so cheapest parts possible
tribal pilot
When I got my prebuilt it was cheaper then building yourself that’s pricing the exact same parts the pc had. I even priced cheaper parts and the prebuilt still was less expensive. Now I had a hell of deal and I had been searching for half a year and I got a military discount on top of it. I’m sure right now or right when you got your pc it was cheaper to build your self. Try pricing it on Black Friday or cyber Monday or find some overstock where they have slashed the price in half. But yeah 90 percent of the time yes it’s cheaper to build yourself. But hey if you don’t feel like it and you see a deal that’s incredible why not.
autumn sluice
My friend bought a prebuilt for 400usd.
Rx580, 8gb ram, 1tb HDD, r7 1700x
I built him the same pc for 450$ brand new with an SSD and 16gb of ram
He paid 400$ instead of 800$ because he works at the Staples store
So no prebuilt is always cheaper unless you are buying a 2 year old clearance model or floor model being sold.
And then it's you get whatyou pay for
tribal pilot
Didn’t say it was always cheaper and yeah I said if it’s been sitting in a warehouse for two years it’s cheaper in the comments further up brand new no it’s not cheaper
Lol I don’t have the money for brand new even my pc parts are a couple years old some times
Or even used
autumn sluice
i used to have your mentality
then i realized replacing a pc every year is more expensive
so i saved
save your money build a new pc
tribal pilot
I’m waiting for 30 series graphics cards. Then yeah I’m doing a build. But I’m want something that does 4K at a high frame rate. So I have actually been saving for the last half a year.
full flint
@autumn sluice did you make sure to keep the Hard drive upright this time?
autumn sluice
Look here you
lusty oak
👀
autumn sluice
I asked Kingston I can literally leave the SSD wherever I want
lusty oak
then you should want to leave it with me
autumn sluice
lusty oak
uh, what is that?
autumn sluice
full flint
@autumn sluice you know for a fact the first time you shared it was a hard drive. I even told you SSDs could be anywhere lol
autumn sluice
oh the hdd was sitting flat on the bottom tho
full flint
autumn sluice
yea u said to mount it cause movement could ruin it
full flint
thorny cypress
https://discordapp.com/channels/114211522384756737/585294746453540866/662649131332009984 that's not an SSD in the bottom right hanging out
haha
we both linked it
full flint
jinx
but yeah. ultimately we live and learn from our build mistakes
usually just via feedback...occasionally through expensive....o so expensive..failures
thorny cypress
for example, when building a PC with a brand new CPU generation, update the BIOS before attempting to do any overclocking 😄
full flint
bending a CPU's socket pins
😬
still the most uncomfortable classic in relation to CPUs though
full flint
https://youtu.be/ScAQ5Of1LfE
these types of videos are severly underrated
smoky flame
Agreed on the gimmick part. DLSS will probably be forgotten about in a couple of GPU generations
full flint
I had the cash burning a hole in my pocket, that's why I bought the 2060 fe. It does have some redeeming features. 2 display port 1 hdmi, 1 dvi (capable of sound) and usb c socket.
I've also managed to buos flash it to another card but I flashed it back as I lost usb c support
smoky flame
that's not a smart idea. What card did you bios flash?
full flint
Would have to check my pc as on phone atm. The one was a 2060 but manufacturers overlooked bios
It ra quite stable, so unfkashed it then overclocked it using the same overheads
smoky flame
might have been stable but temperatures would have risen somewhat I'd think
full flint
Yeah I need to get my thrills some how I live in Britain and the extra heat is welcome lol
smoky flame
lol
I have a founders edition 1080 Ti. Does a good job heating up my room. No need for heating 😄
full flint
That's a nice card. Still keeps a hefty 2nd hand resale value
smoky flame
yeah, I still like it. For a while I wanted to get a 2080 Ti but I think I'll wait and skip this generation in the hope that the next generation's flagship gaming GPU is cheaper at release than what the 2080 Ti was
full flint
I'm hoping amd pull something out the bag and really wow us
smoky flame
even if they do I feel their drivers will let them down
RDNA 2.0 with its promise of ray tracing etc sounds good but it all comes down to how AMD implement it. Judging by what I've heard from some if AMD don't get it right Nvidia will be well in the clear and we may soon see an Nvidia monopoly which hurts competition
smoky flame
whenever they are ready. AMD did say they will launch this year but with Nvidia launching a whole new architecture they won't have much time before those GPUs quickly become outdated in terms of performance and capabilities
AMD's only hope is in the form of Arcturus, their next gen GPU architecture but it won't be seen until at least 2021
full flint
@smoky flame i have the name of the bios i used. Not sure if i can post here so can i dm you it?
smoky flame
sure
full flint
@full flint @smoky flame
one could say the same thing for rtx tbh, but this is first gen technology i believe
I think this is similar to what nvidia used with dynamic super resolution; there but hardly anyone uses it
The way i see it, If it doesn't make you go 'wow' and have to actually go out your way to see a difference then its not really groundbraking.
i can tell a difference between rtx on vs off but not rtx high vs ultra, and yes it depends on the games too
smoky flame
rtx is here to stay and only improve. Might be gimmicky but it is Nvidia's new PhysX baby. See how long that technology lasted before Nvidia put it open source
full flint
I can see it being viable in some games but not all; some have dark settings for a reason and rtx makes everything lighter
I think its due to the fact i don't play any RTX enabled games. I am a battlefield fan but hate BF5. I do have anthem installed but is it worth playing?
never tried it tbh
I heard bad things about it, but then never saw actual gameplay apart from the trailers
also maybe its casue i'm too old to appreciate it?
RTX that is
smoky flame
rtx lighting is intended to draw a more realistic picture of how lighting is presented to the player. Our eyes have been too used to other methods used that don't capture the realism. Early days, sure but it is exciting times
full flint
if they get it right in dark settings thats what i want to see
you see light like that but not as bright as it is in some games
in others rtx is really good though
I really only boguht the 2060 due to having the money and wanting to future proof my pc. I did have a AMD 580.
smoky flame
I can't wait to see the first fully ray traced game. Anything and everything that can be ray traced. Likely some way off that though. Daydreaming 😄
full flint
I've had some non gamers look at what i'm playing and go 'thats so life like' (was the witcher 3) i was like MEH could be better lol
smoky flame
lol yeah, I thought Witcher 3 was pretty neat but looking at it now without modding it I'm like "this could be better". Modding it though I kept breaking things so yeah I gave up with that 😦
full flint
I thought metro exodus looked good, but i run 3 monitors as an ultrawide
think all you need is visual mods and nexus mod manager
^^will look in to that
smoky flame
I tried doing it manually. Sometimes I don't trust other programs doing stuff for me
full flint
yeah manually will be way more difficult
smoky flame
Metro Exodus is nice, yeah. Would love to see with my own eyes how it looks with RTX though.
full flint
nexus has been replaced by Vortex btw
@full flint id still use nexus or mod organiser 2
at least for skyrim...
yeah shame they want me to signup for it
you need to have an account for it i believe
(nexusmods)
nexusmods is free but the download speeds are capped I think
i must be looking in the worng place
tribal pilot
@smoky flame I have Witcher 3 on PS4 pro and was thinking of getting it on pc. does it look great and run good on pc?
smoky flame
All depends on PC specs. It can play well and isn't too demanding (at least when compared with games launched in the last year)
tribal pilot
I have a 1080 graphics card and a i7-8700
smoky flame
you should be fine with those specs
tribal pilot
So the graphics mods don’t work well or were you trying to many?
smoky flame
I tried adding some stuff manually and messed up. My error I guess was not using some mod manager in the first place but most mods for Witcher 3 do work fine. Just be sure to read the installation instructions and honestly you can't go wrong 🙂
tribal pilot
Sweet I just watched the Witcher series on Netflix and it made me want to play the game again just with better graphics.
full flint
it's like the third most intensive game release of the decade
yeah i think even a 1060 6GB will do that at 1080p, though not sure what settings and framerate...
you can buy on gog or steam but I would buy the complete edition (with dlc)
turn off hairworks problem solved
hairworks is rarely even used
it's mostly the tessellation and foliage quality
shadows kill it as well
tribal pilot
Hair works looked good on final fantasy xv and metro exodus but I’ll try without hair works.
full flint
Think a 1080 can pull over 100 franes on ultra settings from a video I just looked up now
although it is 1080p...
smoky flame
I don't think it is that demanding. Curious what tops it though Dark
tribal pilot
Wonder if I can play in 4K high settings.
full flint
this is with a weaker cpu and ram too
4K high may be doable but dont expect 60fps
smoky flame
4K will definitely push the 1080 to its limits I think
full flint
oh, yeah. I keep forgetting that people still play at 1080p
It all depends on the game
I just supersample it
A blanket statement isn’t the best
tribal pilot
Some games it works pretty good high settings 100 FPS and others it’s unplayable at any setting.
full flint
you use dsr or something else dark?
occasionally
try witcher 2 with übersampling on (and at 4K)...
3 is more intensive than 2
smoky flame
I think 1080p gaming is still fine. All I see from 4K gaming is GPUs struggling unless one lowers their settings. Which annoys me somewhat
full flint
Should I go 1440p240 or 1080p360
720 gaming is "fine"
'fine' is subjective after all
smoky flame
I haven't actually tried gaming at 720p. One resolution I forget but I bet my 1080 Ti bottlenecks my 6700K at that resolution 😄
full flint
1080p just needs AA to be viable for me
4k less so, 8k is basically nonexistent as far as AA Requirements
I used to need 1080p but I need the clarity at distance
witcher 2 runs at under 60fps on a 2080ti, i7 8700k, 16GB ram at 4K if you max everything out, and that came out in 2011 I believe
also thats if you max everything out...
you end up saving performance because AA isn't enabled to max
Aiming at blurry targets far away in a competitive environment is so punishing so I just turn up the render scale whenever I have the option
yerp
Like I run overwatch at 150% of 1080p
No aa
"1080p" is fine if you can enable the render resolution to go past it
tribal pilot
Every thing looks better with ultra graphics with super sampling 1080p vs 4K with my 1080 I guess I just want to see what it would look like and imagine what it looks like with a better frame rate lol.
full flint
i dont play competitive fps so I just leave it at 1080p...
but at that point it's not really 1080
smoky flame
if I ever went 4K I'd have to remember not to use anti aliasing. Just now I just enable everything I see and set it to max (with a few exceptions)
full flint
even games like death stranding
you don't want to play that at 1080p in some cases
otherwise you literally cannot hit certain BT types
at a safe distance
they're too small
also i got a bad monitor I am sure there are monitors out there with way better image clatrity, colour reproduction etc
TN or die
its tn...
Yeah
They look like garbage
Welcome to TN
But they’re fast
240hz gang
i assume you play competive fps right?
Ye
smoky flame
My eyes are too used to my TN monitor too. Really want to see how much better IPS is someday
full flint
high-end IPS gang.
ah I dont...
High textures, 16x scoping, and everything else off/as low as it can go
smoky flame
XLR8 does your monitor do any strange things when you enable the 240hz OC? Mine when set to 180Hz somewhat discolours around the centre of the screen
full flint
Mine runs 240hz native
smoky flame
wait what?
smoky flame
mine requires me to enable a 180hz OC mode from the monitor's settings. Asus PG248Q
full flint
I do have a 4K tv it looks a lot better compared to my old one, even with the inage blown up
I did play halo reach at 4K on there through hdmi on pc but thats a bad example of a 4K game imo...
on the older tv you could barely see any text on the xbox, now I can see it a lot more clearly
Nah mines always 240. Can’t help you there lol
https://www.newegg.com/black-acer-predator-x34-x34-pbmiphzx-34/p/N82E16824011185
Acer Predator/Alienware
Business Dell
thanks newegg....
the only 120hz 4k IPS options
If I turn the overdrive (OC) to extreme then I get a lot of ghosting/artifacting, so I run it on normal OC, which is like 2 steps above off
smoky flame
Acer monitors sound very different
full flint
jesus. it's a quantum dot
wonder how much they had to pay samsung
samsung own the rights to that tech?
What is quantum dot?
samsung MADE that tech
@smoky flame that asus is 144hz native
ah
my relative got a samsung qled 4K thing
ill find the link...
smoky flame
Fake HDR on that $900 monitor btw. DisplayHDR 400
full flint
I mean
If you care that much about visual fidelity, either buy a TV or a $2000 monitor
Samsung LU28H750UQUXEN
think its this
it's not fake, it's a technical HDR. it's just windows
tribal pilot
This is what I have ASUS
ASUS VG248QZ 24” Gaming Monitor 144Hz Full HD 1080p 1ms DP HDMI DVI Eye Care. I know the basics about monitors I’m not familiar with some of the terms you guys are talking about.
full flint
Monitors don’t look that good until you step into the products meant for professional production
yerp
Like XDR stuff
smoky flame
Thought XDR was exposed?
full flint
there's not a single true HDR monitor under $4,000
no. lol
think most use reference monitors right?
If you’re shopping in the <$1000 market for something that looks as good as your $800 TV, it’s not gonna happen
XDR has some issues, but is basically king-for-price
LTT, SnazzyLabs, and some others did reviews on them
it's basically the best HDR put in a monitor
hdtvtest did too
smoky flame
Maybe I was reading what I seen wrong but there was some comparison going on showing XDR vs some reference monitor. Reference monitor showed no signs of backlight bleed while the XDR was visible
tribal pilot
I’m sorry but what does xdr mean?
tribal pilot
Thanks
full flint
it means extreme dynamic range
smoky flame
I think it was some Twitter discussion I read it from btw. Maybe someone trying to call Apple out on a bluff they made. I can't remember now
full flint
ill leave the hdtv test video here, does some pretty good stuff too
smoky flame
anyways, on the subject on monitors. If I was looking for a new monitor (IPS) what should I go for? I know my options are really limited at 1080p so it looks like if I want IPS I have no choice but to go 1440p 😦
full flint
I don't recommend a 1440p IPS
IPS are pretty much geared towards, at minimum, 4-5k
there is 1080p 144hz ips monitors
never said there weren't
was referring to @smoky flame
smoky flame
I know there is but it seems the choice is limited, as I stated
also, why 4K for IPS?
full flint
heres me waiting for better panel tech
id rather have something multi-purpose than just specifially for gaming
I mean a gaming PC is technicially also a workstation...
no
the moment I can get a sub-120 render on a game-oriented machine, that'll be the day I'll call it a "workstation"
wdym no
you dont need quadros or xeons at all...
https://youtu.be/4nVAofnawQk
Workstation is workflow dependent
smoky flame
sub-120 render?
full flint
gaming rigs don't utilize multiple cores
the GPUs don't compare in raw numerical crunching
theres different levels of workststions and gaming pcs
You are talking to someone who's used higher-end quadro and Titan Cards
No
smoky flame
pretty sure every RTX card can be used for deep learning since they all use RT cores
full flint
Deep Learning and raw processing aren't the same either technically
but they're better than prior low-end cards, yes
a content creator who does youtube or dabbles is not using a "workstation"
there is also different types of workstations
Again. You're not getting the point
just because you "work" on the computer does not inherently make it a "workstation"
Workstation itself is a class of computer which meet specific industry requirements
operative word: Specific
smoky flame
I wonder how different a higher end Quadro card is to the flagship gaming GPU equivalent (not counting the Titan as per usual)
full flint
high-end quadros destroy other cards
it's mid-end which are about the same
im not talking about youtube rigs at all, but cad stuff too
smoky flame
I'd hope so for the prices on them, lol
full flint
CAD is a blanket term
I could open up MS Paint and it's technically a CAD Software
theres 3 different defintions of workstation btw
I'll rephrase
You aren't doing architectural engineering on an i5 with a GTX 960
unless you want to have the slowest turnover rate of any architectural firm
why? because CAD Blueprints are not just about the design, it's also about the simulations
let me rephrase too
high-end end and enthuasist lebel (or whatever the technicial term is) gaming pcs can also be consideres as "workstations"
high-end gaming PCs are definitely not
an enthusiast class will typically run a threadripper or i9xe
which are basically what old high-end workstation CPUs met at
also there is 3 definitions, what you are going by is one of them, which os "a powerful microcomputer used for engineering or scientific work"
no
There's an industry definition
which is the definition that it's colloquially referred to as
smoky flame
for the most part I see the enthusiast end of gaming PCs as just a "oh look here, way too much money spent here" sort of thing. Most of these enthusiast builds probably don't get used much besides being showed off at big events
smoky flame
like what use in gaming is an 16 core Intel CPU, 128GB ram and two Titan RTX in SLI (NVLink) for example? All I see is someone showing off. It's not an actual gaming rig when you tear it down. In fact, with those sorts of specs if one was smart enough they could probably split it into two very capable gaming PCs
full flint
When referring to AutoCAD suite, “optimized GPU” refers to the available CUDA count.
Not how high it can clock
So again. No, gaming PC are not “workstation” class machines
Because no gaming-oriented cards have the required CUDA count or multithreading capabilities that higher end workstation cards do. Otherwise workstation cards wouldn’t be, well, workstation cards
also gaming pcs are multi-purpose machines at this point, dont see why more people dont see it that way
spending anymore than $2000 on a pc just to play games that look nicer than there console counterparts is a waste of money imo
I gurantee you these same people may or may not own a flagship level phone
and with technology depreciating fast over tine, not sure why most people bother these days... Even in enterprise you see a lot of servers being chucked away...
also the site mentions $3,500 workstations at a high point, which is laughable in comparision to how far they go now
Because there’s still minimum threshold requirements
Can a high-end gaming PC have a RenderMan frame exported in less than an hour?
No
It takes approximately 2-3 hours to render the simulations required for the frame to be exported, but you still have thousands of frames to go to complete a scene
Whereas in a workstation/class system that frame takes about 10 minutes
10 minutes for movie vfx???
That article is specifically dedicated to engineering design
Specifically AutoCAD from autodesk
You know, the thing you were referencing earlier
we aren't talking about movie vfx though
And no. RenderMan is not visual effects
or the levels of cgi or whatever it is
RenderMan is a 3D Animation software.
Don’t backpedal on your prior statement
A workstation is a workstation
It needs to be able to handle the requirements that a workstation is used for
Otherwise: it’s not a workstation.
but a gaming pc can used for more than just games
Doesn’t make them workstations
a lot more in fact
Consoles can be used for a lot more than games too
Doesn’t make those workstations either
smoky flame
these other workloads may also make use of different floating points that gaming GPUs just can't handle.
full flint
https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/workstations/
so you think all of these are lies then?
Lenovo
Instant discredit
all of them do that
Lenovo were the ones who killed the thinkpad
They’re the last ones I’d listen to about a “thinkstation”
Dell usually stuffs quadro cards into theirs
HP, PNY, Dell. The 3 manufacturers who make Quadro and Tesla cards
ALSO
Every single machine on that list has a Xeon
And ECC memory
And the lowest end one is a high end i9
It’s almost like....I said something like that?
Oh wait. I did
smoky flame
wait, so how does Nvidia's GPU tiers work? Geforce: Gaming, Titan: ?, Quadro: Workstation and Tesla: Server?
full flint
So do you have references that don’t prove my point further?
Titan is an Entry level workstation card. It’s a balance really
https://zworkstations.com/products/hp-z6-workstation/
i assume this maxed out is one right?
so you saying lenovo is flat out lying while the other companies aren't?
only the dell precision one is a workstation?
Aimed at content creators who don’t actually need a full quadro
No. I just don’t have faith in Lenovo advertising the very product they killed.
what kind of "content"
Basic video editing and graphic design
Camera footage editing
you dont need a titan for basic video editng
Basic for someone like me and someone like you are entirely different beasts
or camera footage
unless it is 8K raw or something
I don’t just cut and retime. There’s a lot of other things going on
what do you consider "basic" then
Typically for 4k videos the roll you’re working with is at minimum 6-8k
Pan and zoom shots work within the frame margins
That’s just raw resolution at that
There’s other thing like metadata, grading, alpha and beta channels
Exposure
HDR
smoky flame
all this sounds so complicated and way out of what I know. Happy I'm just a PC gamer
full flint
assuming this applies to just gpus surely a "basic" audio setup will be at least $2000
so if 4K videos are "basic" what makes 1080p or lower than that?
The fact that 1080p isn’t used by anyone with a workstation for videos
hdr is optional too
As far as media is concerned 1080p is dead
A majority of people have more cases than not HDR-capable phones
A majority of YouTube views on something like a music video will be from a smartphone
well not according to the several tv channels we get here
i know netflix and amazon have started putting out proper 4K hdr content, but even then not everything is that
Netflix and Amazon also use actual workstations for their production, eventually ship to Blu Ray, have mobile and TV/console apps
etc
The point here is that just because you want something to be called another thing, doesn’t mean it is or ever will be.
yes i believe they also use actual reference monitors/tvs, and not the apple "pro" display xdr as mentioned a while back
Actually Netflix uses XDR
They were one of the first companies to start using them
dont they use reference tvs too?
No
or the master tvs
or whatever it is
Reference TV are only required on extreme budget blockbuster
Because they distribute to cinema
Netflix is ONLY on displays
So they use something much better than standard, but close enough to polish out how it looks on those displays
That is why the Apple display is being acclaimed as far as industry goes
candid wharf
yawns
full flint
Basically, digital distribution = XDR
Hollywood/cinema distribution = reference monitor
honestly cinema looks worse than 4K streamed content, at least the one I go to, which is a waste of money
IMAX and real 4K digital projectors on the other hand...
also I firmly believe anything relating to computers branded as "gaming" is a gimmick...
we didnt see it pop up until the early 2000s I believe.
the one good thing about that cinema I go to is the sound quality
believe the speakers are over 15 yeaes old and they sound better than dolby audio, but thats a whole different topic
IMAX is still cinema
when I say cinema, I refer to the upper end
which is IMAX, and DOLBY DTS
i have listened to dolby 7.1 and it doesnt sound that great tbh
i mean it is loud but not great
to be fair it is aquaman, but still
the BFI MAX odeon in london seems to be a much much better experience
IMAX Dolby DTS is not 7.1
now they definitely use those "workstations"
i am talking about two different places
either way
7.1 is still 7.1
dolby just processed it better, first.
but it does not sound nowhere as good as IMAX based on my experience
also this particular once has IMAX 6 channel + dolby 5.1
the film I saw in the 7.1 cinema was aquaman
in a 5.1 cinema, endgame, ant man and the wasp (i think some others too)
in IMAX (BFI London which is the largest in the country) - all hobbit films, star wars vii, and star trek into darkness
yes some are better than others in terms of both picture and sound, but I believe it depends on the film too (which is also using a "workstation"
some of the other IMAX cinemas have better projection and sound on paper, but from my experience they are nowhere as good as this one
I have still yet to go to an actual dolby cinema though, which I assume must use the best workstations
why are they so low
IMAX Standard is 12.2 channel, minimum
it's also possible that they're using the old IMAX Standard
yes
this is the one
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BFI_IMAX
yeah, that one's on the newest standards
it shouldn't be running 5.1 though
when i went last it was 2015
they probably have redone it then
aquaman of course was 2018
and others 2018 and 2019 respectively
oh. that's why
they're using a compound sound system
what does that mean?
it's old imax + dolby standard
most now run Just run a 12.2 channel system
leaden lintel
Ngl that looks like a modern coliseum
leaden lintel
I've been there november
full flint
the nicest IMAX I've been two was in Charlotte NC
they have pc gaming events too
the Omnimax there
or as it's now known
"IMAX Observer Dome"
the best standard IMAX in the nearest 2 states is in the opposite end of NC in Wilmington
only one screen or they have more?
this is only one screen fyi
omnimax is a dome
those 360 degree/270 degree things?
or something else?
or is it those old buildings converted
same thing.
typically only a few things are shown there
same as that imax too
since only one screen and all
smoky flame
is it a bad idea to enable ransomware protection from windows defender? Only just realised I've had it off this whole time 😐
full flint
smoky flame
I should have gone through those windows defender settings more 😄
full flint
I have one of them turned off, which is controlled folder access... @smoky flame
smoky flame
I enabled that earlier. Probably didn't need to
full flint
controlled folder access?
smoky flame
yeah
tribal pilot
I really like this witcher 3 game on pc. Theres so much detail I hadent noticed before on console.
smoky flame
nice 👍
full flint
nice
you playing on steam or gog?
tribal pilot
steam
full flint
ah ok
think there was an option on PC to carry over witcher 2 and witcher 1 saves but have no idea how that works
you can carry over the saves via decisions, but not sure how it affects the actual game
since I assume you have already played it before you may wish to try that
tribal pilot
Yeah did not mess with that.
Im playing it on hardest setting going to try and beat it on that
smoky flame
I wonder if any game benchmarkers out there when comparing any AMD Navi GPU to Nvidia's RTX GPUs have bothered to enable RTX on the Nvidia GPUs. Seeing as that is there big selling point I think it is only fair RTX be enabled on supported titles
full flint
https://youtu.be/Oe37xKHlQHM
not major ones but here you go, just an example
heres same cards at 1440p without rtx on the nvidia card
https://youtu.be/ZmlRzGhdWdM
the other video was at 1080p ultra on a 2070 super...
also heres the 2080 super for reference
https://youtu.be/5tWhbLLoc2c
tribal pilot
My Final Fantasy XV game keeps randomly skipping. It will run fine for a little while then start steadly getting worse. I tried all diffrent settings on the graphics card. its kinda irratating
full flint
full flint
atomic roost
@full flint dude, we subscribed to nitro on the exact same day 😱
full flint
hmm 
I got mine as giveaway thing...
stable dust
Man, playing custom CoD Zombies in Pavlov VR is some crazy stuff
When a custom-rigged fan map is better than the game's default zombies mode 😆
full flint
https://youtu.be/_KK3fBWxnEo
nvidia being nvidia
lusty oak
get some purple to go with it😁
tribal pilot
My fan/water cooling closed loop is making a sound almost like slight grinding on startup. After it runs for a minute it goes away. I blew it off and check everything but didint see anything.
full flint
Some make weird noises
full flint
My thermaltake aio sounds like clicking wood when it starts up. My Corsair aio sounds like an electric motor (which I guess is normal since it’s literally an electric motor)
is that coil whine or something else
tribal pilot
I read that when a fan starts up it will start up a full rpm then settle down. So dont know if thats the case with my pc. but thats what made me think that its hair or something. It does the clicking sound every so ofter but thats the radiator or liquid i guess.
I allredady blew out really good guess ill run it untill it dies and buy a new one. Other then taking it apart dont know what else to do for it.
full flint
I think my xbox makes that noise too
And my PC
not sure 100% sure though
tribal pilot
lol my ps4 and xbox make that noise on start up lol but I expect them to
full flint
If your cooler is running well and doing it’s job, I wouldn’t worry about it
tribal pilot
Yeah I wont am assuming the pc would yell at me if it started overheating or just shut down.
full flint
Well not exactly
It will thermal throttle itself before that
Aka throttle performance so it doesn’t melt itself
I’d monitor it using whatever cooler software is made for it, and just make sure you’re not sitting at 80°C all the time while gaming
yeah liquid cooling is supposed to be good right?
Yes
usually quieter as well. But that diminishes as you go cheaper
tribal pilot
I have a gpu temp but where would you see cpu temp in lets say window settings?
Yeah guess you have to download a program.
yeah I found one Im runing at 32c and 45c with gaming
full flint
Those are good temps :)
fallow gorge
gilded gyro
does anyone else have issues running ac syndicate on epic games store?
i cannot launch it. it keeps saying "Running" then going back to "Launch"
tribal pilot
Tried sunset overdrive on pc. Had a green screen flicker that hurt my eyes. Couldint figure out what was doing it and it sux cause its a cool looking game
white flare
i am having problems with logging in
next citrus
does playing MCC on steam give gamerscore, or do you need to pay on windows store for that?
tribal pilot
I deleted halo I thought it would come out with the whole collection at one time. So guess Im waiting on that. Not talking bad about the game Just would prefer all of it at one time.
full flint
it's better this way. trust
not yet
all the games are listed as dlc...
if you bought mcc you get all
and mcc on xbox was a mess at launch
allows them to divide and conquer and iron our issues more easily. so they chose this way to allow people to play without having to wait.
otherwise we'd end up getting Infinite and MCC PC at the same time
full flint
@full flint seen a 2070 super going for 475 do you think that is a good price?
its good for the version that it is as amazon have them priced at £518
tribal pilot
Sounds like a good price just make sure its real and not a rebuild or something else.
full flint
@full flint
its been less than that i think
full flint
MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB GAMING X Boost Graphics Card
MSI would be why it was a lower price point
they and GIGABYTE are typically cheaper variants
so really it's something you yourself would need to gauge
it was only lower using a code
smoky flame
I think I'm finally getting sick of watching YouTube hardware benchmarks. Watched one that compared the Ryzen 5 3600 + 5700 XT to a 9900K + 2080 Ti at 4K high settings and honestly, I wasn't impressed. I think there was only one game on the whole video where the 9900K + 2080 Ti really showed their value
full flint
Unsure what your saying. Not impressed with what? The intel-NVIDIA?
smoky flame
To most the performance is great but the big reminder should be how much a 3600 + 5700 XT is compared to the 9900K + 2080 Ti. I'm more impressed with the AMD system in all but Metro Exodus for keeping within what 30%~ of the Intel + Nvidia system?
I wonder how different results would be at 1080p and 1440p high settings. If anything that is where the 9900K + 2080 Ti will rip the AMD system apart but I just don't think those figures on the video I linked were all too impressive. Pretty sure you could buy three 3600 + 5700 XT for the price of one 9900K + 2080 Ti
full flint
NVIDIA Tax
smoky flame
also, this leads me on to other stuff on 4K. AMD claimed RDNA 2.0 GPUs will "disrupt 4k gaming" based off that benchmark I actually believe it could and if prices are still cheaper than that of what Nvidia and Intel offer then I'll be lost for words
full flint
And then the RTX 3000s will come out and AMD will be buried in the top end once again
This is the cycle
Endless
admittedly though, 20 series was shameful
Eh
I see it as like Xbox vs Xbox one X
It’s not like oh wow that’s crazy
But it’s enough to make me go “hmm
It’s only an extra couple hunnid”
from 10 to 20 series?
Yeah
that's too huge of a price jump to comparison of performance
considering the 10 series only jumped in price due to datamining and chinese gaming boom
smoky flame
if that is the specs for the 5950 XT. Using the clock speeds the 5700 XT has we could see a GPU with almost 20 teraflops (19.5 teraflops to be exact). Though I do know the clock speeds won't be the same so take that figure with a grain of salt
full flint
20 series had the normal 20 series and the super
think this is the first time its been done
full flint
https://youtu.be/wg6pz7YTxyA
interesting video by the tech yes man himself
tribal pilot
One of the usb on the back of my pc broke and its connected to my mother board. Can I use a usb hub on my other usb thats left so I can still use my vr headset Or will that not work? Or do I need to take my computer apart.
ruby spear
A hub should be fine
tribal pilot
Thanks
ruby spear
I use a hub for my VR because I don't have enough USB 3 ports.
tribal pilot
I had 3 now I only have 2.
Some plastic got stuck in my occulus rift and luckly I got it out. I guess my panic attack is averted. I just need to make sure its the right usb hub 3.0 I think.
ruby spear
tribal pilot
Thanks Im going to order it. Well not on the uk amazon but I found it on the amazon I use.
ruby spear
I use that with the regular Oculus Rift, not the S or any of the dev kits.
tribal pilot
Thats the one I have. I want the one that does not have sensors and hooks up to you computer. I dont like calibrating the censors every time because I have a small room and have to move them alot.
ruby spear
That's why I bought a Quest instead
tribal pilot
I dont think there was a quest when I got mine There was a go version and the rift. but its not worth the money just to not have censores and have it upgraded somwhat the rift still looks really good. Maybe if it dies or something way better then the quest comes out.
ruby spear
With the Quest you can also use the Link Cable to connect to PC and play Steam and Oculus VR games, so you still get the high end titles with only a thin USB-C cable needed
tribal pilot
I have two thick cables for a connection on line and it’s a little heavy after a few hours of use.
I am excited for new half life game.
smoky flame
yo
smoky flame
hmm a bit strange AMD would launch a second generation Ryzen processor https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ryzen-3-2300x-might-find-its-way-into-etail-in-march.html
unless the author of the article meant to put 3300X
full flint
How’s it going my dudes just upgraded yesterday went from a Ryzen 3 2200g 5704gb to Ryzen 7 2700 Rtx 2060
smoky flame
nice
full flint
does anyone believe this
lusty oak
no
full flint
yeah thats what im saying
Technically yes
The ROG line is like the best line of hardware for Video Games
And most reliable
Adversely, the STRIX line is one of the worst out of the big names
i have seen both rog and strix in the same product, not sure what the difference is
STRIX is a model type
ROG is an entire lineup
ah
so scan is useful for that after all
I have seen £700+ synths on there, is that standard pricing or what?
full flint
Asus is pretty much the top dog in PC land. But everything carries a cost premium.
smoky flame
Asus at one point almost had a whole separate product lineup for AMD GPUs but that later got reversed otherwise we could have seen Asus AMD GPUs launch as Asus "AREZ" Strix 5700 XT
full flint
eh id say that Asus bit is debatable
there keyboards and mice aren't.
Same with AMD gpus
if you see the rest of the email you will see why...
smoky flame
that part about "competition grade" peripherals?
full flint
heres the whole thing may have not done it correctly
@smoky flame
yeah that
the email title is "how asus can make you a better gamer"
smoky flame
I think most gamers could do well with a microsoft keyboard and mouse bundle. No need to spend crazy on some of these gaming keyboards and mouse oh and don't get me started on gaming headsets
full flint
the gpu link is for strix cards too
like this it continues on though
probably should have done it shorter tbh 😂
this is one of the cards featured fyi
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rog-strix-oc-8gb-gddr6-pcie-40-graphics-card-7nm-rdna-2560-streams-1770mhz-gp
the motherboard list is solid though
smoky flame
for the most part the whole "competition grade" thing is a whole load of marketing rubbish.
People see their favourite pro gamer sporting some flashy looking headset, mouse and or keyboard they will buy it. Same marketing works with sports stars and Beats headphones. Not really paying for quality I believe
full flint
agreed
its coming from Scan UK who are reputable too
but then again heres what they said about audio gear
actually a decent heading
smoky flame
synth keyboards? What do these do? I barely keep up with tech outside gaming and audio stuff
smoky flame
I meant audio more in the sense of headphones, amps and dacs
smoky flame
with those sort of prices it doesn't look like audio equipment the average Joe would be using
ok, I partly take that back. Some of the prices are not too bad but like anything it can get a bit mad, lol
full flint
i dont think its for music production either but i could be wrong
I wonder if F5 has heard of it
it is digital i believe
autumn sluice
lusty oak
non-gamers also use Windows 10 though
full flint
"God modes"
and that...is how you know they're blowing air
my comment was supposed to be joke but oh well
autumn sluice
@full flint it's more like name so and so desktop folder this and get access to admin tools
And it's literally called godmode
full flint
imo thats how windows 10 should look
at least for admin users and whatnot
heavy marsh
f5 here whats up?
autumn sluice
full flint
if he means parts does this apply too?
https://youtu.be/FoyF1uAyzSk
oh f5 have you heard of the hydrasynth?
full flint
so pauls hardware says 3 years for upgrades but linus says get a PC now...
my pc was obtained in 2018
plucky marsh
Does anyone want: Frostpunk + The Rifts DLC
full flint
isnt that on gamepass
or gog
plucky marsh
I mean on Steam.
smoky flame
if you can I'd just wait until later this year or 2021 before upgrading
3 years for upgrades seems a bit short though imo
my 6700K (released 2015, bought 2016) is still going strong though I do feel it may be time to upgrade it. 4-5 years on. Definitely don't think I could see myself exceed 5 years with this CPU
full flint
he did mention performance difference for intel was not much
leaden lintel
I already chose frost punk myself, it's a pretty nice game, got geforce now support too so I can actually play it
full flint
autumn sluice
@full flint Linus is just saying that if the virus keeps up part prices will go up and that it's gonna happen soon
full flint
I mean everywhere else in the world business wise is dropping so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s 100% right
round socket
anyone know how to fix xbox play anywhere? I bought Ark on my xbox and am trying to launch it on pc but crashes every time i launch. any suggestions?
full flint
@autumn sluice
yeah that was before i watched the video 😂
full flint
@round socket that’s an issue with the computer install. Not play anywhere
round socket
@full flint so should i reinstall?
full flint
Check and make sure your drivers and OS are up to date. And have no updates in the Microsoft store
undone kraken
Hey guys. What laptop under $2000 can play star citizen with no issues. Please lmk
full flint
I'm gonna be frank
....none.
Recommended is 32GB of DDR4, and a desktop-1080/2080Ti for medium settings
you'd need a titan for high
SSD for the actual game's install drive
undone kraken
So I better off sticking with a desktop
full flint
for Star Cit? yeah
undone kraken
Copy thanks
full flint
elite and no man's sky can run fine on some mid/higher-end laptops though
but star citizen's a very intensive experience
undone kraken
It’s a bummer. I guess I can’t take star citizen on the road with me when I travel. But I’ll save money building a new pc any way
smoky flame
I haven't kept up to date with Star Citizen at all lately. That's some seriously hefty specs they expect from their players
wary oriole
Oops meant to put that in general lol
autumn sluice
SC, the game that will be out during the time period elite dangerous is set in
tribal pilot
Whats a good temp or acceptable temp for a asus 1080 graphics card? I am at 82c at the max. Is this to hot?
full flint
80-85 is really pushing it. You may experience thermal throttling depending on the model.
Some well built cards can push into the 90s but it’s never recommended. Pushing into 95-105 usually results in system shutdown
I would say depends on the cooler type and case airflow
I don't pay attention to temps as much though but under full load that sounds reasonable...
on idle it does not at all
from what i remember i think blower style coolers are the bad ones or at least supposed to be
in theory 3 fans or liquid cooling should be better too but it depends on other factors as well
Usually when you hit 80/85, the GPU will begin to downclock itself. So I’d assess and see what you can do to lower that temp.
Improve airflow, lower the boost clock, that kind of thing.
tribal pilot
Ok so when I had the program scan it the program put it at 82c max. The regular oc puts it at 72c. So I guess I will leave it at the 72c.
There's a way to adjust everything manually buy Don't want to break it. Its a turbo-gtx1080 Dont know if turbo means anything.
I would post a pic of the settings but cant post.
full flint
we talking about something like hwmonitor right?
and msi afterburner for overclocking?
I haven't gone into overclocking myself but may try it at some point...
tribal pilot
asus gpu tweak 2
It came with the graphics card.
I get 10 more frames on my games when I use it.
But thanks Ill keep it at 72 no point in frying the thing. And that gpu tweak 2 is a free download.
full flint
will leave this here
https://www.techpowerup.com/264359/two-unknown-nvidia-gpus-geekbench-compute-score-leaked-possibly-ampere
article is outdated fyi
autumn sluice
@tribal pilot depending on the age and environment the pc is in, you may wanna change your thermal paste. If it's old and hard, new paste could really help
full flint
time to invest in that 360Hz monitor amirite?
uncapped thats actually uncapped. hmmmm
i like how star wars battlefront 2 wont run higher than 200
Warframe is uncapped
but it's usually best to limit that one
oh man,.
smoky flame
Pascal GPUs begin to downclock from around 70°c. I've noticed my 1080 Ti behave that way. Steady downclocking from 70°c, not too significant though
full flint
I saw that doom eternal think in the gameranx discord server
I hope it runs as well as the 2016 doom
the real question is do we really need 1000fps
Yes
will 1000fps get us close to what digital foundry and others claim is "crt" level?
because here I am fine with up to 144fps + freesync
It’s mostly about latency more than a visual thing
full flint
surely there is a point of diminising returns for fps...
i think 1000fps does make sense for VR though...
plucky marsh
Just saw your temps above, my laptop sits at around 90 for GPU and CPU...
full flint
thats high for a laptop imo
if you touch it how hot does it feel?
and if you have one of those infrared heat things you should be able to tell the temps too
plucky marsh
It hurts to touch sometimes. My 'W' keys becomes uncomfortable and I have to stop playing games at times.
I'm trying to look for a cooling dock but not sure it would help
full flint
i tried one of those on an older machine i had
compaq presario cq56
they dont work at all
i had to get rid of that then get a macbook
plucky marsh
Oh that's a shame. A bit worried my laptop isn't going to last too much longer at those heats
full flint
now im back to windows
i have a hp that can play some games not all though
the amd 8750m is ok for what it does tbh
plucky marsh
I really don't think I could afford another gaming laptop right now so I might just limit my use for a bit
full flint
same here but for a gaming desktop...
if i want to play newer games ill have to upgrade my 1060 at some point
but i do have a backlog...
plucky marsh
I only have a 1070, it runs most things good enough
I'm expecting it to run HL:A well too, but definitely not at high settings
Might take it apart before that though, give it a good clean out
ruby spear
full flint
people will find workarounds i am sure of that...
this applies to the steam release too right?
ruby spear
Look it up and see. I know what's in the article.
full flint
im still confused by the half life crossover content...
ruby spear
What's confusing about it?
full flint
it's 505, of course it'd be Denuvo
the half life crossover event
didnt know they would have... crossed over?
it's not an event
it's literally just cosmetic items
ruby spear
I still don't see what's confusing about it.
If you read the article(s) it tells you exactly what it is.
full flint
NieR and FFXV both had special Valve items for early-purchase
oh
So thats only on steam I assume?
I won't be interested in them at all tbh...
any kind of cosmetics you get for pre-ordereing is a huge pass for me
obviously it'd be a pass if you don't preorder
🙄
amother factor being the game is £54.99
thats more than ps4 physical I believe
and same as digital i think
yeah i wouldnt have bought any of those
it's full price on NA release, for both
regional pricing has always varied. take that up with 505
if i do get death stranding it will probably be the digital deluxe but when its on sale
Steam games have gotten more expensive here
they are starting to creep the £59.99 mark
about $76.72
including tax though
taken from techlinked
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/ampere-33-tflops-gpu
kinda old news though
yeah its techlinked
they had the show on monday...
that was a few hours ago
this is news like a week old now
plucky marsh
First I've seen that. 🙂
full flint
https://store.steampowered.com/app/782330/DOOM_Eternal/
says you need bethesda.net account may change though
full flint
Sigh I wonder when a system like Live come to PC. We need that so bad
Bethesda account, EGS Account, Battle.net account, Steam account, GoG account...
dont forgot those for the games like smite and so on
also does anyone know a good 1440p 144hz freesync monitor with either height adjust/tilt or a vesa stand?
scan UK seem to be better at narrowing things down but I will be buying from amazon...
and dont ask about the gpu i have i can always upgrade later...
if i have to spend more for a good panel I will
autumn sluice
Honestly a good idea would be to have a sort of program that autofills for you
full flint
even on pcpartpicker there isnt enough filters
autumn sluice
Kronixio#7261 have you tried youtube
full flint
im really feeling the pixio px7 prime
having to look through a ton of videos will be a lot...
ok i think im sold
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07WGXXV55?
full flint
Oooh that's really nice @full flint do you ever look at a website called hotukdeals? I always check it before I make a purchase on anything just incase a good deal on things have been posted.
Also before purchasei toy coukd use one of those money back sites and get back up to 20%
prisma lion
I have a question I just bought a new headset and I never had one I have no idea why it doesn’t let me hear in it someone knows why
plucky marsh
Anyone looking forward to the Half Life VR environments tomorrow?
full flint
Pulled this from the alpha gaming discord
Somebody spot the problem
WHY @full flint
WHO DID THIS
Some dude named ssdq
Incredibly cursed
full flint
is it bad i dont see the problem...
all i know is there is pc on top of top of another pc
plucky marsh
Is it that they own minion clothing? Spotted on the right there.
full flint
Look at the motherboard
I mean there’s plenty wrong but this one made me stop and stare
yeah i just noticed 3 ram sticks
full flint
full flint
tech jesus with words of advice
https://youtu.be/OiHPVD05hgY
this was similar to me building a pc in march 2018 when i could have one later in the year for similar performance for way less...
full flint
I just build one last week, didnt pay anything extra and didnt even think about what could come
full flint
first build?
or had built one before
autumn sluice
Well just gonna point out that a lot of ppl are saying if you are gonna upgrade do it now not go buy parts cause we say so
full flint
think he is saying if you were going to but not now, wait a bit...
especislly as there is stuff like e-waste and such
suprises nobody mentioned selling old gpu if you do upgrade or something like that
yes the title is sort of clickbait but the video actually makes sense...
And yes pc gaming is a commodity (based on economic definition)
for businesses it does make sense, but not if your main purpose was to game imo
wait i got confuses
is a commodity like water and such, or something else?
lucid spruce
Sup
full flint
full flint
oh thats vr stuffs
I'm begging to God for this being real
Like HL2EP3 being a real thing
well its eurogamer
digital foundry is closely linked to them
tribal pilot
What pc games is everybody excited for coming out this year? Im excited for cyberpunk and outriders.
plucky marsh
The home environments were pretty cool
Outriders and HL:A
The 2 environments were interesting but didn't give away much from what I could tell
Which is good 😁
Hope my laptop can handle me playing VR and stream at the same time for my brother 😅 he couldn't get the time off work to play.
tribal pilot
I saw some gameplay of outriders. Have not seen any gameplay for HL:A Vey optimistic about both. Been playing the forest on my vr headset and that has been alot of fun. Would probly be more fun with another vr player.
Other then the trailer for HL:A that showed some gameplay. But I want to see a random person playing it. That way I can see if its as good as they say it is.
plucky marsh
There's some IGN gameplay.
I thought controls for the forest in VR were annoying so I didn't play much VR in that
full flint
for pc games I am not sure
think most were delayed or in early access
or not announced yet
If I had to pick I would say cyberpunk2077, halo infinite and probably some unannounced games
full flint
New El Capitan Supercomputer is expected in 2023
Will be powered by AMD
https://www.amd.com/en/products/exascale-era
full flint
yes raytracing uses microsoft DXR 1.2 or whatever it is
plucky marsh
I have Moss + Superhot VR steam keys available for anyone who wants them.
Just one each.
I also have these games available still too:
https://gyazo.com/de9874396604c30032a54853ca78d8ad
https://gyazo.com/3a946cce6088a666ea297958fae49495
https://gyazo.com/39882ea354566b80af58d67992607d19
If they don't say gifted, someone is welcome to have it. 🙂
shy gorge
Can you still do the Game Pass Ultimate trick to get it for 3 years?
tribal pilot
Wait you have vr game keys please do tell? I have a occulos
plucky marsh
I have Superhot VR and Moss
tribal pilot
I would play either or dont have them.
full flint
doom eternal requirements posted
full flint
full flint
i5 but which i5?
looks like the 2500
which is interesting
unless theres a newer i5 I cant think of
full flint
Yeah I looked at the wrong thing
Judging by the 3.1 clock it’s a minimum of a ryzen 3 1200
autumn sluice
Oof 1650 super barely over minimum specs
grim latch
Sorry
ruby spear
And don't spam it in multiple channels either
grim latch
Ok
full flint
SSD Recognition
and GPU Temperature in Task Manager
I remember these was added long ago
GPU one at least
nope. not on 1904
visual wave
let's play mc
full flint
Chromium edge is 10/10
dusty vector
It is actually very good
full flint
it still has the other limitations of chromium, but it is quality, yes
full flint
for 2 decades id say thats pretty good
i still have this dell it works
(its not this exact photo but a similar one)
full flint
did they fix rdr2 cause I see higher fps on this card
or was it always like this
https://youtu.be/6naXgZk4DfQ
