Yes
#pc-gaming
full flint
lusty oak
what brand(s) do you recommend then?
full flint
I have asus motherboard
nwarly got MSI as asus was out of stock
waited to get Asus
also NZXT make motherboards?
full flint
People out here buying ryzen 9s for their gaming pc but only getting 2070’s
Lynnsanity
full flint
So what's wrong with MSI,I'm using their 2080Ti lol
Something serious that I should change the card?
mostly with their mobo
their cards aren't anything special, nor are they inherently overly bad. they're considered low-mid bronze/silver
opal bane
oblique ingot
oh
oblique ingot
agreed
smoky flame
2700X and 3800X in the same case? That's crazy!
oblique ingot
Essentially I don’t have to buy another pc because my build can stream/game
About +5 or more fps without streaming.
full flint
You can have two pcs in the same case for some builds yes
@smoky flame
smoky flame
I know
tired vale
Anyone wanna join a Minecraft realm just dm me
smoky flame
I still find it difficult to understand how a 2080 Ti can bottleneck a 9900K. A system with such specs should have no bottleneck. If anything, I thought the higher the graphics settings used the more GPU bound a game becomes. More GPU bound = less CPU bound and that should mean less chance of a CPU bottleneck even happening
full flint
There will always be a bottleneck
But people who say the whole 2080ti bottleneck 9900k spiel don’t really understand how games work
People look at their task managers and see 40% cpu and 90% GPU and go yup my 2080ti is a bottleneck
smoky flame
lol that's no bottleneck
full flint
I think at 1080p yes
When they don’t understand that most games don’t run multicore instructional APIs so they’re gonna sit at like 40% tops with an 8 core 16 thread processor
Or was it 1080p high refresh (and older games)
Does bottleneck mean it will never use 100% of peformance or something else
Sort of. But that’s normal for a beefy CPU when only gaming and people don’t understand that.
smoky flame
ahh so it is really only specific use cases? Not a complete and actual bottleneck? That would have sucked for anyone paying the crazy money for such a system
full flint
With Vulkan and DX12 being more widely adopted, we’re gonna start seeing higher CPU percentages with these octacore processors, but it’s still not going to see 100%. Like ever.
I seen it go that high with games like AC Odyssey on older cpus 😂
Yeah
Because they’re old and don’t have that many cores/threads
smoky flame
The Division 2 appears to like CPU cores
full flint
The 1:2 core:thread ratio didn’t start until the 7th or 8th gen for intel and I’m unsure about ryzen. Seeing higher percentages on older CPUs is normal
smoky flame
full flint
Nowadays modern CPUs have such a huge workload capacity that a game will never be able to utilize the whole CPU
smoky flame
1440p, maxed settings in The Division 2 with a 3900X (12 core, 24 thread CPU) was the link I posted
full flint
Games just don’t need that much CPU workspace
Even when these next-gen Ampere cards come out, you’re gonna have people running games at Max settings 4k at like 200 FPS and still see maybe 40% TOPS on an octocore and people are gonna go online and say 
like “my 3080ti is bottlenecking my computer”
smoky flame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubHdnVQTo0U - another video by the same youtuber but with a 2080 Ti and 9900K. Seems like this is one game that will take the 9900K past 40% CPU usage
full flint
And do you know why?
It’s DX12
A multicore instructional GPU api
It can actually utilize more CPU power. And even then, it’s only using 40%
smoky flame
yeah, I only just spotted that after I posted the message
DirectX 12 support on the Division 2 is terrible though. For whatever reason the whole DirectX 12 thing seems a mess with games unless it is baked into the game from the start without any other form of DirectX
full flint
In a years time people are gonna say “My 3080ti is bottlenecking my i9 10900k”, and that’s when you say “oh wow that’s crazy” and then stop paying attention to what they’re saying because they probably don’t understand enough about computers to even understand the explanation if you were to give it to them.
smoky flame
what API out of Vulkan and DirectX 12 is best for a gaming use? I haven't had the joy of playing many Vulkan titles. They seem pretty rare
RDR2, Rage 2 and Wolfenstein the new colossus I believe are the only 3 games I've played with Vulkan support
smoky flame
oh
full flint
If I had to guess, it’s down to how the game is developed more than anything else
Like even if X was superior to Y, X could still have crap games and Y could still produce amazing games
@full flint might know
smoky flame
yeah, a game is only as good as how it is developed... or something like that. One thing I do know both DirectX 12 and Vulkan have in common is they seem to not have the option to adjust latency which sounds are really big negative imo
or to explain what I mean better. Both DirectX 12 and Vulkan decide when to queue the frame. I sure hope when they do that they have the lowest latency in mind otherwise what a mistake to have made. DirectX 11 allows the gamer to enable anti-lag and low latency options that may provide the older API users an upper hand over the newer APIs
smoky flame
anti-lag is AMD's option and I've tried low latency mode. Ultra seems to be different again. Not sure I like that option
full flint
Have any of you used the new edge browser?
smoky flame
checking it out now funny enough. Think I'll stick to Firefox, although I would like to use Edge eventually since it is a part of Windows 10 and it can work more in sync with my PC than Firefox does at the moment
smoky flame
ok, first time I've checked my Outlook email in a while. How long has Outlook had a premium subscription? I really don't use my Outlook email address much at all to have not noticed this until just now
autumn sluice
@smoky flame TBH vulkan vs dx12 is hard to measure especially when you factor in and cards are more developed on vulkan because that's where and focused their main stuff while Nvidia focused on more widely used stuff like dx
full flint
@smoky flame it is game-dependent. Some are even better on Metal, which obviously requires macOS
smoky flame
thanks guys 🙂
Dark, do you know much on why both Vulkan and DirectX 12 queue the frames? Seems a bit of a backwards step from OpenGL and DirectX 11
smoky flame
was it that bad of an API?
autumn sluice
Opengl was very...basic if I recall correctly
sonic jay
heavy marsh
ahh this is on my list to watch
full flint
so apparently it's the best HDR they've ever seen.
so that's good to know. Windows use for it isn't as easy though
smoky flame
for the price of it I'd expect the HDR to be top notch. Colour accuracy too. Also, isn't that the monitor that comes with a $1000 stand?
ruby spear
It doesn’t come with it, you pay for it separately if you don’t have a mount already
smoky flame
ouch
I'd be telling Apple where to shove that $1000 stand tbh. So much more one could do with that sort of money. I genuinely fail to see how Apple attract customers with stuff like that. Didn't they get laughed at on stage when revealing the $1000 stand?
plucky marsh
It is a lot of money for just a stand to be honest
But I suppose when they have something like that, they can afford to put the price up.
Because nobody else can do what they do at the moment, or at least are doing it.
smoky flame
it exists
full flint
Some say it is better to use reference monitors than the pro display XDR...
smoky flame
won't be surprised to see other monitor manufacturers sell their stands separately in the future if Apple can charge $1000 for theirs...
full flint
Spams no like Darth Vader
$200 for the VESA mount too...
I'm an Apple fan but that stand is totally extremely nonsense
Who thought this was a good idea
smoky flame
reference monitors cost a lot though
smoky flame
can't see myself renewing the Xbox PC game pass. Due to renew next month but I'm having some really annoying issues with download speeds. Have hardly made any use out of the 3 months ultimate because of the download speeds. Games are taking far too long to download 😦
full flint
I just got the console gamepass...
Not the PC one
for that I have steam/gog now origin as well
full flint
MS Store on PC sucks, that's the first reason I've bought a Xbox. I wanted to play MS games but couldn't tolerate the issues of PC MS store even a little bit
it's fine
it's no different than any other store
it's a store...not a platform
if you want a platform, you have the xbox app
ruby spear
I agree, the download speeds are terrible.
full flint
that seems like a CDN prioritization issue.
because I'm able to get my native network speeds on it.
means they need to bolster the CDN in UK it seems
ruby spear
I've never had good download speeds from the Windows store, but Xbox is fine and Steam maxes out my connection.
Windows store crawls down at times.
ruby spear
And god help me if I need to download something on the Surface. Yeesh, my beard is an inch longer by the time it's done.
full flint
I cap between 50-60MB/s on Steam, but on MS Store I average 80-120MB/s
MB, not Mbit/s
my xbox's download sits between them though
Also sometimes it just.downloads the game nonstop, I know people who saw +230GB of FH4 download
Weird thing is, it never happens on Xbox lol
but going back to the topic of the apple display's stand
Linus made a good point in his video
it's an industrial display, most people aren't going to drop $5,000 on a display to use it with limited movement capabilities
especially since the vesa mount is slide-locked on and the user can use a wall mount or a desk arm
for like, $250
But it doesn't justify $1000 imo
ruby spear
Most people buying those displays already have professional display mounts to use with it.
full flint
considering these are the displays it's directly competing against
not your home-use gaming monitor
in this case apple has quite literally answered everyone's requests for actual pro-hardware
Wait a second, you're saying they made it $1000 so people won't buy it?
That's like... first reason you sell something
and the ones complaining are the non-pro's who'd never either, afford, or buy it
ruby spear
Yeah, most of the people giving Apple crap over the pricing for this display don't realise who the intended audience is and how much of a bargain that display actually is.
full flint
and it's actually apparently the best HDR ever put into a display according to some reviews from media groups I've been seeing
ruby spear
Apple has packed some serous stuff into there for a fraction the price they normally go for.
full flint
I'm actually ok with display price, but stand? Hell no
yes, you can make a deterrent product
that's what the stand is
apple knows pro users are going to have a VESA Arm
So stand is simple for encouraging people buy VESA instead
"The people who would buy the mount would be those who have the money and just want to flex on their friends"
yes
That's now makes sense
the stand is for like, really rich people who just have the money and don't need actual pro-capabilities
ruby spear
Not to mention, Apple will likely have put some quality craftmanship into the stand, the materials etc. Not just put out a bog standard mount.
full flint
Yeah if I had infinite money I'd buy the stand lol
ruby spear
Built on renewables etc
full flint
but honestly, that display....I got to use one the other day
it is......wow
words can't begin to describe it
P3 Gamut and HDR on that textured display
they were meant for each other
RGB is....meh
so far the only video I've seen on it is Linus'
but he has several other major youtube tech-reviewers on there
full flint
Is anyone actually buying the Mac Pro + XDR Display + Pro Stand and not a content creator or anything like that?
smoky flame
there was a post on another server with someone directly comparing the Apple XDR monitor and that XM311K. Some reason the Apple product was showing a lot of backlight bleed meanwhile there was none from the other monitor (was tested in a dark room)
Found what I was after. Took quite a bit of scrolling up. https://mobile.twitter.com/photogrant/status/1214728021556580352?s=19 Point is Apple are comparing their XDR monitor to something almost 10x its price and based off that picture it's not even close
autumn sluice
smoky flame
I find that difficult to believe that we'll see 20GB GDDR6 on a X080 GPU from Nvidia. That will be ridiculously expensive
full flint
interesting
full flint
not...really
16-20 will definitely be standard
Ti/Supers will probably straddle the 24-28 area
With how cheap “memory” across the board is getting, I’m not surprised
full flint
The rtx titan is 24GB I think it will follow
Ampere's shuffling in the next-gen
PC will need to keep it's competitive edge
remember, like I said, it's a game of slinky: Consoles slink up to catch up with PC, then PC shoots ahead of what it was, rinse...repeat.
plucky marsh
When is it typically best to buy a new PC? Soon after a new console release or later on then?
plucky marsh
Ok thanks. I wanted a new one next year, wasn't sure if that was too early
full flint
yeah. 2 years is usually the sweet spot
fyi the 780ti was 2013
and 1080 was 2015
the 900 series released a year after, but the 10 series was a massive performance jump
plucky marsh
Yeah I got my 1070 two years ago and I didn't know much then. It was already outdated when I bought it.
full flint
Thought it was 2016
er, yeah. sorry it was.
completely forgot about the 9 series refresh cards
plucky marsh
I know a lot of people are moving to AMD too so I need to understand their parts too
The naming conventions confuse me
full flint
Most of their stuff maxes out at mid range for now
AMD's GPU are great performance budget cards
but this coming year aren't going to really be where things are wanted for games. CPU's are great though
personally a AMD-NVIDIA combo is killer
plucky marsh
I'm looking at around 3/4k at the moment so I suppose it depends how much it all costs in a few years. I didn't know AMD was regarded 'budget' still
full flint
AMD's cards will always be considered budget, they aim for a mid-range card for an easily affordable price
until they're consistently blowing NVIDIA out of the water or neck-and-neck
plucky marsh
Ah ok cool thanks, definitely something to keep in mind.
I have always just gone Nvidia because was told it was better but not really knowing why
full flint
typically a lower-TDP and better performance
but an increased price as the balance for it
also drivers too
From what I heard anyway (for nvidia at least)
AMD lags behind because they're open
plucky marsh
Oh ok thanks. I'm going to try and do some research so I can try and weigh up the benefits myself, but I just have never been able to get my head around hardware
full flint
AMD has to split between CPU, OEM GPU, and Custom-silicon for other companies (e.g. PS/XB)
NVIDIA just has to focus on GPU
plucky marsh
Might be a stupid question but is there like a website where I can learn this type of stuff?
full flint
you just have to read into it a bit
you gather more knowledge of it over time
tech sites, youtubers, forums. etc
Is that the more in depth stuff or basics
plucky marsh
I'd like to eventually learn the more in depth stuff too. I find it interesting I just don't understand it.
Thanks Dark, any particular YouTubers or sites that have that sort of information? I only know of Linus tech tips
full flint
I have some understanding but still don't know the basics of stuff like PSUs
or a bit more advanced
any from the linus media group, techlinked, jayztwocents on occasion, coreteks, digital foundry on occasion for youtube as well
plucky marsh
Perfect! Thanks for the pointers guys 🙂
full flint
Also bitwit, tech yes city, gamers nexus, hardwarecanucks, hardware unboxed, pauls hardware
I think I am subbed to way more though...
umbral hatch
PC us bad
smoky flame
how so?
oblique ingot
ok troll
frigid pasture
will this work with this case
Case- https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01BLI50WM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
full flint
You’re missing a power supply and GPU
smoky flame
and storage
the case being micro-atx in size means it won't fit the asus strix F motherboard in that bundle since that is an atx motherboard
a few other pointers to consider when getting a case.
Some CPU coolers can be huge. Be sure you have enough space between case and cooler.
Cooler being huge can have another affect too, be sure there is space for ram. Primarily ram would be fitted in slots 1 and 3 but can be placed in slots 2 and 4 if the CPU cooler obstructs slot 1
wait, just noticed there are 4 sticks of ram. Honestly, it might work out cheaper buying that whole bundle separately (with a change or two thrown in). I'm checking that out now
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2GMXxG same bundle just with 2x 16GB sticks of ram instead of what would have been 4x 8GB. Works out almost £100 cheaper than that bundle on Amazon (£773.72 vs £869.99) which with that saving you may want to consider a better CPU cooler
full flint
Interesting its one of those bundle things
uneven prawn
anyone here that want xbox gamepas for pc
full flint
@full flint oh my god
I saw the announcement a couple weeks ago
I’d never make use of half that board’s capability
smoky flame
are EVGA motherboards good?
full flint
Eh Creative audio gets instant pass for me (Even if I had the money to buy that)
full flint
Steam Lunar Sale live
full flint
plucky marsh
Saw this, good load that sell to Epic Games did...
plucky marsh
I have a feeling it's to get it ready for the move to EGS
full flint
likely.
ruby spear
EGS supports Mac
full flint
but some of their 'cutting edge' stuff as it were, might not
meager trout
i got a quick queion about upgrading laptops
full flint
Shoot.
meager trout
i found my other laptop im want to up its RAM to 16, i found the right components for it im just curious on intallation
and since i think this laptop has 2 ram slots does that mean i have to buy two 8 chips
full flint
I would refer to the manual
Also I believe so yes
meager trout
so im guessing this is what i need https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/envy-x360-15m-ds0011dx/CT14838137
full flint
Mobile memory is usually different than desktop. Refer to the manual and make sure the pin count and clock is within parameters
meager trout
gotcha
earnest trail
Anyone know how to get the recordings (that i use the xbox app to record clips) to record my voice, it records people in game and my buddies in discord, but never my voice
On pc obviously
full flint
enable mic
earnest trail
I believe i have
full flint
it's disabled by default, there's an icon on the bar if you want to do it each time, there's a setting for always enabled, and you have to set the default input
earnest trail
I do the "record the last 1 minute" clips
Ill look at it in a sec im in a game
Thx
earnest trail
@full flint in the setting on the app or in my pc settings
full flint
PC settings
earnest trail
Capture settings?
full flint
should be there, yes
full flint
german player for LoL ?
ruby spear
native ember
As of today my game bar seems to have broken. I use it all the time, and now it refuses to work. I've 'repaired' the program, reset it, and checked all the settings, none of the hotkeys work. Win+G does nothing, Win+Alt+print screen does nothing, Win+Alt+G does nothing. I have no idea what the problem might be at this point.
full flint
have you tried seeing if it has any updates?
full flint
Hopefully when ampere launches I will finally be able to afford RTX card....
Unless there is ampere RTX which is better than current gen one for same price
(by that I mean 3070 better than 2080 super and so on)
full flint
if ampere releases to spec, it'd be kinda worthless to get a turing card
just save up and get an ampere card instead
Hmm
So that, ps5, xbox series x, ampere, and new monitor + games
decisions...
Also nintendo switch
Will probably get ps5 first depending on when everything releases
Which means xbox series x will likely be 2022...
autumn sluice
full flint
What I am saying is I have plans to buy all those, but not enough $$$
or £££ in this case
smoky flame
personally I have a much easier choice and I've been thinking about it. Especially since the news that PS4 exclusives are heading to PC. Which must mean PS5 games will be too. So I see no reason to buy a PS5 if indeed true. Just a matter of waiting.
As for Xbox exclusives as long as play anywhere remains, like the PS5 I see no reason to buy a Series X.
Think my biggest focus this year will be upgrading my PC. I feel I am somewhat lacking in the CPU department
full flint
I will be playing spiderman ps4 on ps5
and others
Rest depends on xcloud and a bunch of othet factors
also the nintendo switch stock
oblique ingot
same sub, my pc is good going into this year might upgrade my processor and graphics card though I am still buying the Series X.
smoky flame
Could be by the end of this year my system has new CPU, ram and storage in it. On top of the CPU I plan to go 32GB ram and 2TB SSD. GPU, I'm waiting to see how this year's GPUs stack up to my 1080 Ti. If nothing really impressive launches I wait until next year and who knows? 2021 I may turn my attention to a higher resolution monitor but that's 2021
oblique ingot
Yeah, also looking to see how GPU’s come this year. I mean if a decent mid-tier one comes up I’ll definitely end up buying that over the rx 590.
astral glen
My xbox elite controller right bumper is broken it feels like im pressing it really fast feels like the day I first got it but the clicks are not registering so I have to click harder when I press the edge of rb it works fine please help me solve this did not want to waste 150$ for nothing.
ruby spear
Don't post the same thing in multiple channels, please.
They already posted there, otherwise I would have told them to. Just let mods handle things, please.
oblique ingot
@smoky flame As for a CPU though I’m mixed between the 2700x and the 3600. Might end up buying the 2700x as I’ll be streaming a little
smoky flame
yeah, for streaming you may want to go for the CPU with more cores. In this situation that will be the 2700X. On the other hand though. Performance improvements with Zen 2 makes the 3600 a solid choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5YxqzEsJs - 2700X vs 3600. GPU used is an RTX 2080 OC
oblique ingot
Yeah I know the 3600 leans more towards just gaming.
full flint
Get the 2700x
oblique ingot
Saw that review too, Odyssey runs pretty good on both considering how badly optimized the game is on PC
But then again that’s on a 2080 card, wonder how it would run on mid-tier cards
But yeah the 2700x is a definite buy for me.
smoky flame
that same youtuber also done a video showing how games perform with SMT on and off. That video is a bit older than the one I linked above but to no real surprise SMT off performed better than SMT on. Multi threaded games are still pretty rare to find. That and using DirectX 12 or Vulkan would be where SMT on really shines
SMT = simultaneous multithread. AMD's equivalent to Intel's hyperthreading.
full flint
because it hasn't been sold yet
unsure honestly.
oh, because it's "For PC"
@mint oriole that's a physical item
it's the physical pc release, simply distributed by microsoft as a retailer
mint oriole
physical item?!?!
mint oriole
I haven't bought a physical pc game in like 15 years lol
I just wanted to put it in my MS library vs Steam tbh
full flint
yeah, there's no Win10 variant, if there was it'd be on the Xbox store
that being said, idSoft could make a variant for it in the future
it's likely via bethesda launcher though
and not steam
mint oriole
👍
full flint
wait doom eternal has a physicsl pc version???
thats new
no? most AAA PC games have physical releases
i meant on pc
I did specify PC, yes 🤔
i thought it was codes or something
it usually is
if you got from third party
some games have discs, others have codes, some have discs and codes
quantum break did that
digital code on steam, and an install disc that installs it on steam, but uses the disc as the source for the files
interesting
i have gone full digital on pc and hybrid on xbox
I saw a copy of fallen order on sale at walmart for $40
was tempting, but I have it on xbox already
full flint
Good ol' CD's
full flint
I got lego batman and lego star wars complete saga on disc still
PC one
full flint
I can’t decide wether to go 1440p240 for my next monitor, or get the 1080p360 that’s coming out
The whole reason I’m on 1080p240 was because the 1440p240’s weren’t out yet, but the 1080p360 wasn’t announced yet
and here is me wanting to go 1440p 100-144hz
Fundamentally, I should go 360. But sometimes the jaggedness and lack of distant clarity of 1080p really sucks
worthy nymph
full flint
no 2080ti?
oblique ingot
Brought the 2700x, should be here tomorrow. Don’t know whether I should look for another GPU or not
smoky flame
what motherboard you got just now?
oblique ingot
My build is actually based off this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K6Rrmvjy2k just changed a few parts.
smoky flame
overclocked my 6700K for the first time. Was used to setting it up to make use of Intel's turbo boost on all cores which would have given 4.2GHz. Manual overclock and I have achieved 4.5GHz at 1.3v and it appears to be stable
smoky flame
if there is any the gain is small, hardly noticeable 😦
full flint
ah ok
autumn sluice
Pc
full flint
thanks will do
ssd should help too
full flint
from what i heard the powercolor red devil/liquid devil is best
asus being worst
and drivers being bad
at least from youtube vids
oblique ingot
just a thought
full flint
for me i will get a new nvidia gpu and monitor for my current pc
then go full amd if trends continue
full flint
its not out yet
ASUS is far from the worst
Have you ever owned a zotac GPU 
i meant for amd
at least some rx 5700xts
autumn sluice
If amd can do something to make their gpus on par with Nvidia for a good price amd will be a massive competitor
oblique ingot
amd’s gpu’s are fine they don’t need to be a competitor nor are they looking to be competitors
full flint
they are fine software is lacking @autumn sluice
cpus are solid though
They need to work on encoding technology. AMD is dead in the streaming world
oblique ingot
comparing amd to nvidia is really pointless anyways
one is more better known and has better software than the other.
full flint
the nvidia control panel is dated
i had a 7300gt with the same thing
Not reason to update it
It’s a system panel
the intel one even looks different
but i guess it works
also that 7300gt pc i believe had a pentium 4 cpu
so you can imagine
I dont care for streaming even though my pc has nvenc encoder
think quicksync too although idk how good it is
oblique ingot
Apparently the 5700xt performs almost the same as the 1080ti, so that canceled out itself
full flint
NVENC is the only good streaming encoder on the market right now
Especially with Turing cards
smoky flame
NVENC + Turing almost kills the need to have a second pc built specifically for streaming or so I've heard anyway
full flint
Very debatable
NVENC has downsides
If you’re competitive, you want 2 PCs. If you’re pushing your GPU hard on a game like RDR2, you want 2 PCs. If you want the highest stream quality possible, you want 2 PCs.
You get the point
There’s a reason big twitch streamers use 2 PCs even though they could get a threadripper and a 2080ti
If you’re some casual dude playing minecraft at 1080p60, then yeah, NVENC 1 PC is all you need.
That whole NVENC eliminates the second computer is really only applicable to a very casual demographic of gamers
smoky flame
ahh so it was more nvidia marketing at play, again...
full flint
Moreso a very casual claim by nvidia that got pushed way too far by people that aren’t educated enough.
I've never had issues using Intel's encoders
They’re all good for recording
streaming
I don't record
since picarto's one of the few streaming services that can natively broadcast at the streamer's source regardless of what it is
I mean it’ll get the job done, but the NVENC new is just unmatched except by X264
When you’re doing something like twitch where you’re constrained to a low bitrate
I typically use h264 or h265
smoky flame
I take it with nvenc new the higher end the turing GPU one has the better that hardware encoder will work?
full flint
I’m not sure what you’re asking
It doesn’t get better with the higher priced cards
the new NVENC encoder works on all post-pascal architecture
A 1650 super and 2080ti will encode the same
smoky flame
I thought it would have since the higher end hardware has more cores etc to work off. So someone with a 1650 (lowest end Turing GPU?) will get the exact same quality as someone with a 2080 Ti?
full flint
you're overestimating just how much work an encoder needs to function
a 1050 will encode the same as a 2080Ti on the encoder,
the higher end card simply allows for more to use the GPU
e.g. games
meaning you won't have to turn down settings if you're trying to stream from a single card
smoky flame
probably yeah, honestly I don't plan to stream any time soon so it doesn't concern me too much. I just like gaming and think I'll stick to the simplicity of gaming
full flint
cant you use an elgato 4k60 s+ or something?
what good is that going to do internally
record to sd card
wait
we're talking about streaming from a computer
gpu does not need to do anything?
or do you still need for card
anyway imma sleep now
not sure what you're asking there
when i game its 1080p high anyway
think twitch, youtube is 1080p tops too
although not sure what quality is like compared to native
youtube has 4k
smoky flame
I game at 1080p maxed. Sometimes I regret gaming at such high settings but I feel if I was to drop my ways now I'd have a bigger regret paying £700 on a 1080 Ti back in March 2017
full flint
if i had a 1080ti i would be playing at 1440p
but thats me
and not tn or va 1080p
anywat my next upgrades are monitor and gpu
everything else can wait
still need to try skyrim with stuff i dont think i can mention here
for me it would take a while to setup though
smoky flame
I still don't get why people talk so highly of 1440p. Like sure, if you don't game at maxed settings or care to get 60+ fps in all games you could probably go with 4K on a 1080 Ti but 1080p to 1440p does reduce performance and further again if that monitor also happens to have HDR support
full flint
it's a dying aspect ratio
16:9?
the only reason people like it is because it's not as intensive as 4k, but higher than 1080p
I’m back
oh you mean resolution
It has to be a 1650 super. The regular 1650 doesn’t have the Turing encoder chip
most 1440p screens run 16:10
smoky flame
that part I can understand but they are still losing out on performance
full flint
not 16:9
i think 10 series can use nvenc
also what?
16:10?
there exists 4:3 and 16:9 1440p monitors though
i thought it was 2560x1440 standard
only if it's WQHD
10 series can use NVENC but not NVENC new
If you try to use new it will just yield the same results
you'll see very specifically stated: WQHD, on 16:9 1440p screens
oh do you mean 2560x1600
2304 × 1440
that's standard 1440p
wait what
confusing
2560 x 1440 is WQHD 1440p
which is 16:9
i always though it was 2560x1440
then there's 2160 × 1440, and 1920 × 1440
Disgusting
which is 3:2 and 4:3 respectively
smoky flame
I'm considering a 1440p monitor but only after I upgrade my PC. Not sure I'll bother with HDR
full flint
doesnt only the macbook 12 inch have 2304x1440
no clue never owned one and it was discontinued.
at this point i may have to get 3440x1440
100hz
the only 1440p I believe in is 32:9
smoky flame
ips definitely the panel type to go for?
full flint
5120 x 1440
IPS is the best panel type on the market
TN for competitive, IPS for everything else
3440x1440 exists i believe
ember widget
how good is the ryzen 5 2700x and 1080 ti
smoky flame
might have a look around just now at the 1440p ips monitors then. To get some idea what I'm looking at
full flint
Not Ryzen 5
ember widget
my bad
full flint
just wait and hold off for a while honestly @smoky flame
smoky flame
1080 Ti is awesome 👍
ember widget
so i can stream and game pretty much every modern title right
full flint
1080Ti is a good mid-range card
ember widget
mid-range?
smoky flame
mid range lol what?
ember widget
confused as to how it’s mid-range when it’s over $700
full flint
actual capabilities
It’s highly subjective based on what game you’re playing and what stream settings you use but sure, it’ll work
this monitor any good? just example
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-EX3501R-Curved-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B075JGKX59/ref=asc_df_B075JGKX59/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310865028479&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2664132809424142455&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045936&hvtargid=pla-402137809566&psc=1&th=1&psc=1
you can play any game, yes. but you aren't playing a lot of newer ones on high/ultra
definitely not at 60fps
yean my 1060 6gb is low end now
1080ti is mid range, if not bottom of the high class cards
might be entry level
ember widget
so what would be an ideal card to pair with the 2700x
full flint
1080Ti is an entry-level high-end
ember widget
is the better question
full flint
that's a better way to phrase it
the lowest performance necessary to qualify as a high-end card
If you’re gonna single PC stream, and you’re looking for a card, go for a 2070 or higher. Something with at least 8gb vram
i mean that monitor without hdr
so a 3440x1440 100hz ultrawide
how good are they
smoky flame
can't wait for the 2080 Ti to be called mid range once 30 series comes and destroys it 😄
ember widget
2080ti will never be mid range at least not for a while
full flint
for streaming?
also dont forget upload
it'll probably be mid range within the next year
smoky flame
people pay over $1000 for that thing. Call it mid range and it would probably offend them 😄
full flint
2 max
@smoky flame I mean, we saw the reactions when rumored series x performance in that area by digital foundry and others
ember widget
ok thanks xlr8
full flint
randomgaminginhd will probably make a video in 5 years on that card
people got so upset
smoky flame
brb getting tea
full flint
also i believe that the 2080ti is not a 4K card
at least according to techdeals (a youtuber)
will it do 4K high/ultra in AAA games for the next 3 years is what he said
spoilers: answer was no
obviously
no card ever lasts 3 years on bleeding-edge settings
ever
the only examples to date of cards doing that
i mean even at 4K
are Titan V and RTX, and the QUADRO GV100 and RTX 8000
those are the only NVIDIA cards that can do bleeding-edge visuals for more than 3 years
and even the Titan V's having issues with some now
you would need to buy a new card every year for 3 years if you wanted to play all the latest games at high or highest settings
and thats the 80ti card
idk why people spend so much tbh
also for those people who want 4k 144hz ultra they wont be getting it for a while
its unrealistic imo
seems there is diminishing returns when you xan enjoy games vs enjoying hardware after spending so much
unless you stream of course
I'd never buy 144hz
240 maybe, 144hz no
there's too many games that do not like multiples of 75
50/75/144hz
vs, 30/60/120
then they say if i cant get 4K ultra at 60 or more at least
the game is unoptimised
also id prefer 120 too or 100
i think i have capped fps at 120
games have issues compensating at 50/75/144
and it leads to horrid gamebreaking issues more often than not
hence why even a lot that have 144hz monitors limit it to 120
unless it's a comp. FPS
smoky flame
I'm pretty happy with 144hz, worst case scenario one can drop the refresh rate to 120 for games that act odd around 144hz and multipliers. How did 144hz actually come about anyways?
full flint
im glad you can do it from nvidia settings now
just experimental tech really
i thought 120 would be the standard
144hz was introduced in a time where displays were still coming 75 standard
it is
144hz is still outlier tech
but it was the fastest panels we had
so everyone appraised it
what about crt
smoky flame
so it is better to use 120hz in games to avoid potential issues then?
full flint
very few CRT support over 100hz
but they exist
i mean in terms of smoothness
digital foundry did a few videos
idk if its true though
one is titled "was lcds a big mistake for gaming"
smoky flame
I'm going to give 120hz a go. Seeing as it is a multiplier of 30 and 60 games should be ok with it all around. I know Fallout 4 is said to not play nice if frame rate isn't a multiplier of 30 or 60 fps
full flint
havok phys will break regardless
but it's not.....as wild
-flashbacks to the starting horse carriage in skyrim doing loop-de-loops-
smoky flame
lol
full flint
and by carriage, I just mean the horses it was attached to
oh yeah tried og skyrim above 60fps
not good at all
casually plays siege at 1080p400
well the monitor can only do whatever you got on it
at least output
Yes but there are advantages to higher frame rates
Especially for me with a 240hz monitor
smoky flame
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Fallout_4 here's where I read about Fallout 4 and high frame rate issues
full flint
id take smooth consistent 30fps over high fps like 144fps
especially if you get sudden frame drops
smoky flame
"Going above 120 will cause some major physics issues at higher frame rates. You may experience some between 61-120, but it's much more rare. If you must go over 60, lock the frame rate at 120 with something like RivaTuner"
full flint
now nvidia can do that
oh, Fallout 4
for some reason I read the statement as FO3
with 0.1% lows being a thing you can have a huge range in the fps
for me the more consistent the better
have you played the gog version of 3?
nope
smoky flame
been a while since I played Fallout 4 tbh. Was just when we were talking refresh rate and multipliers that it reminded me of an issue in Fallout 4
full flint
thats supposed to fix lot of issues
also the unofficial patch
smoky flame
time to give 120hz a go anyways. Applying the gsync 101 guide tweak as well so effectively frame rate is getting capped at 3 fps below the refresh rate (117fps) and that is just to avoid the gsync ceiling. Driver level vsync enabled too, disabled in game
full flint
i have freesync
idk if i should enable vysnc too though
smoky flame
btw, with 120hz I have the option of ULMB take it it is a bad idea to enable it? disables gsync with my monitor
smoky flame
freesync is software based I believe while gsync is hardware based (exceptions being gsync compatible monitors). I'm not sure how different, if at all, freesync behaves to gsync once it hits the ceiling. I find it a bit strange there is no freesync 101 guide unless it can also apply to freesync users too with no issues etc
full flint
i have a gsync compatible monitor
its not part of the program
and it works
i tested spotify hardware acceleration
a thing which said g-sync popped up
smoky flame
first game I'm going to try 120hz on is the division 2. Think it is one of my favourite games, even if it crashes a lot with DirectX 12 😦
hot seal
might be a silly question but, why are all the files appearing fine in quick access on windows10 but the regular folders are empty. i.e Pics,Docs,Video etc
fixed it.
full flint
They seem to link to onedrive?
That's what happens to mine after a fresh install
weird i get two lots
full flint
USB C works on rtx right?
full flint
@full flint the only USB-C on RTX is for the SLI Bridge
full flint
Most of the cards have USB-c but it’s designated for VR
oh yeah, I forgot that they added that functionality with Turing
full flint
They have that
Nvlink is different right?
yeah, the bridge uses a slot
I remember them talking about it utilizing the Type-C port as well for something other than VR though
plucky marsh
External drives?
full flint
what is this video
https://youtu.be/DC8cnTjN9YY
plucky marsh
It's a shame usb-c is being used for VR because the index uses display port and it's the most frustrating thing
full flint
doesnt it have virtuallink?
or do you need a seperate cable
it'd need to have a thunderbolt-3 to be able to use USB-C for Valve Index just due to the data rates
plucky marsh
Not sure to be honest Kron. Yeah it's super annoying. I had to get a mini DP cable adaptor for my laptop
full flint
yeah, ultimately VR is not designed with laptops in mind, since very few can reliably run it
smoky flame
heh 6700K + 980 Ti... Was my first custom built pc and it was awesome. I still remember crying a little after the system booted up for the first time. I was just so impressed
autumn sluice
smoky flame
took me a little over a year to buy and build that PC. 980 Ti in 2015 started it. and got the 6700K and the rest of the parts between the 980 Ti's launch day and late June 2016, where I finished the build. Wasn't very well off so done a lot of saving up just to get it done. Probably shouldn't have but it was what I wanted with my own money and I got it... Eventually.
full flint
yeah same as my first prebuild (which was early 2018)
had I gone 1600 + 580 would have been cheaper
smoky flame
the knowledge I have now I could have saved quite a bit of money and probably finished the build a bit sooner than I did but I knew very little back then. Got assistance off someone on Twitter. While helpful I do regret it somewhat
full flint
and of course custom built
yeah same here
zen+ was the month after, rtx was in august of the same year
dont build/buy in march...
smoky flame
hah yeah. I was targeting every 80 Ti launch. £650-700 every two years or so didn't sound so bad... Until RTX happened and the 2080 Ti killed any hope of me buying it
the jump in performance between the 980 Ti to the 1080 Ti was very impressive. I felt it in every game I played and still to this day I'm impressed by how well it does in games, even if I'm only gaming at 1080p
oblique ingot
1080ti will definitely be obsolete in the next few months
smoky flame
yup and I will have to prepare to upgrade it. On top of my already planned CPU upgrade. While unnecessary since I only game at 1080p I do game at maxed settings and I feel that balances how I upgrade somewhat
oblique ingot
i’m looking into a new gpu as we speak
full flint
think all I need is gpu and monitor upgrade
if not I will build new pc 2022
play on ps5 2020 series x 2021
smoky flame
my simple thinking maxed settings = more GPU bound so the higher end I go, the better but I still need a CPU that will attempt to keep up with what the GPU throws at it
oblique ingot
I have the 2700x and while it pairs well with the 1080ti I don’t want to game at just 1080p
full flint
think high refresh is cpu bound
also are you the top comment in that jayztwocents video
smoky flame
huh?
full flint
the avatar looks similar
smoky flame
what jayztwocents video? I rarely watch youtube tbh
smoky flame
ahh the panda avatar. Nah, not me
the whole panda avatar thing is from a Twitch streamer called AdmiralBahroo. His server is loaded with panda emotes and I love them 😄
full flint
ah
oblique ingot
seems like optimization is a challenge for ubisoft.
aren’t the right prices either
full flint
yeah thats why i said ignore
full flint
Speaking of optimizations/Ubisoft
They’ve started testing Vulcan with R6S
Spock?
Or the minigun
*Vulkan
Autocorrect
Ive disabled that...
cursive pivot
Yo
plucky marsh
I use Vulkan on R6S for the dynamic resolution
plucky marsh
For those who want to do it you can do this:
C:\Users\<user>\Documents\My Games\Rainbow Six - Siege\<random numbers>
Then change the gamesettings.ini file. You can change Dynamic Resolution to 1 and get a min/target/max fps
full flint
Nope, the curse called DRM causes heavy stuttering and FPS loss
Denuvo+VMProtect I mean
full flint
What I am confused on is how exactly that affects performance
oblique ingot
Can’t be true because as I said it runs fine on high end cards.
smoky flame
I don't think Assassin's Creed Odyssey's poor performance has anything to do with DRM. If anything it is optimization or rather the lack of that really hurts the performance in game
full flint
I dont think its high end cards either
a 1060 or 580 can run it well but you need an 8 core cpu or something
full flint
it was either that or origins im thinking of
oblique ingot
I’ve seen way too many benchmarks of the 580 running Odyssey to know.
smoky flame
want to see something really scary with Assassin's Creed Odyssey?
oblique ingot
wonder
smoky flame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q44Sn_3MCx4
9900K, 32GB ram and a 2080 Ti at maxed settings and 1440p in the link
To think, that sort of system costs what? £2000+ and it even struggles to achieve fps expected of it
oblique ingot
oh wow
full flint
thats an old vid could have easily patched it
look at rdr2 for example
also the 2080ti is not a 4k card
smoky flame
not that old really. As far as I'm aware it hardly gets any patches now
the engine Odyssey uses was built around console and 1080p, 30 FPS apparently and that is unfortunately its downfall. I know devs are under enough pressure as it is but surely Ubisoft could have have a whole separate team of their devs work on the PC version to ensure it was of a really high quality and not a mess
full flint
In the PC gaming space I would consider it old
i think skyrim was also 60 too
the og one anyway
oblique ingot
Some guy just tried to argue with me that the 2700x is bad for gaming/streaming, that gave me a kick.
smoky flame
lol
oblique ingot
“The 3600x is better”
Like ok I’m not spending an extra $200 for a little more performance
oblique ingot
On Amazon it’s actually pretty cheap?
full flint
nah thats the 3700x or was it the more expensive one
oblique ingot
smoky flame
$400 is more in line with 3800x or 3900x prices
full flint
its the 3800x yeah
oblique ingot
Well guess I was mistaken
But still wouldn’t buy the 3600x now
Maybe another 2 months
smoky flame
even if you did you may want to look at the 3600 price and compare it to the 3600X then ask yourself is it worth paying the extra. Most times I see people recommend the 3600 over the 3600X
oblique ingot
Maybe I’ll put my 2700x into a seperate streaming pc and have one for gaming one for streaming. I know XLR8 has two pcs.
smoky flame
cheapest 3600 is $179.99. Cheapest 3600X is $204.99. $25 premium for effectively the same CPU just with slightly better clock speeds
full flint
you can OC the 3600 i assume
also are you looking on amazon or pcpartpicker
smoky flame
was looking through pcpartpicker
full flint
cause pcpartpicker gives questionable stuff at times
smoky flame
and yes, 3600 can be overclocked
One neat thing I really like about AMD CPUs is the fact that they are all unlocked. Same can't be said for Intel where you require a CPU to have the "K" suffix at the end to be able to overclock
oblique ingot
Amazon Kronixio
oblique ingot
I don’t buy all the parts from Amazon lol
full flint
yeah could have checked newegg too
although dont think they are always cheapest
@smoky flame you ever bought pc parts from ebuyer or aria pc or something
nvm it was ccl
smoky flame
not that I can remember but I'd think they are trusted
full flint
I keep an eye on pc part drops
2080ti for £1085.47
evga black
including shipping
normal price on scan is £1079.99
i wonder when it will drop under a grand though
nvm msi one is
Is it possible to follow price trends on specific parts
like price drops and such
oblique ingot
even if the 2080ti did drop under a grand would never buy it
full flint
it's not worth it
500-700? I'd say it's worth that
but not 800+
thanks imma wait for 3070 or 3060
smoky flame
I was hoping the 2080 Ti was going to be priced at 650-750, would have kept it in line with flagship Ti GPUs generations past but unfortunately that was never to be 😦
£1000+ could be the norm for the future and if that is the case I can't go on with Nvidia
full flint
hopefully the 3000 series will be cheaper but depends on next gen prices too
full flint
even if it's overall cheaper to produce, NVIDIA will still keep the markup on it
it's just like Samsung with their memory and storage
and apple and well, everything...
full flint
apple's prices are inflated because intel and samsung
like, there's apple markup, then there's Apple Markup + Intel & Samsung
think they were switching to ARM or just a rumour?
no
it's a yes but no situation
they're still using intel on macbook pro, imac pro, and mac pro
atm yea
but they use amd not nvidia
because AMD's an open-source company.
ah
Apple were the ones who developed the Vega Pro series
Thought it was just under a different name
no and yes
the ones used only in apple products were, yes
Ah okay
smoky flame
https://www.techpowerup.com/263456/ quite a nice game bundle AMD tend to do. Bit strange the 5600 XT isn't present though
full flint
interesting
daring finch
Hello
i have a problem on my xbox one s controller
after i updated it, i can't connect it by Bluetooth
can you help me please
lusty oak
is the bluetooth adapter in your pc properly connected?
daring finch
yes
lusty oak
idk, I've never tried to connect my controller via bluetooth
I usually use the wireless dongle I bought
sorry I can't help, try asking in #233805809346150400
smoky flame
is there any differences with A Plague Tale: Innocence - Windows 10 to other versions?
ruby spear
Achievements are in both versions
full flint
I mean one is steam one is othet
ruby spear
It's on the Win 10 store, which is what I would assume they're referring to with the mention of Windows 10, rather than specifying Steam.
full flint
ah
i believe its included with gamepass too
full flint
Can anyone recommend a chair for PC gaming between £100-£200
any that you find comfortable in that price-range really
ah looks like ill have to shop around
any brands to avoid?
🤷♀️
full flint
You’re buying the same metal and foam regardless until you get something higher in price
What about the fabric and others
or leather/mesh
Again you’re not getting quality polyleather until you hit $300
Just find one you think is cool.
I dont like the gaming chair look
the racing look
also I am 169cm
You don’t have to get a gaming chair
Try looking for an executive chair
Dont know any good ones which arent leather and have the features I want
Say in a leather chair a long time ago was bad
is the ikea markus good?
candid wharf
@full flint Did you find a chair yet?
full flint
no still looking
candid wharf
How about the Staples Hyken? It's on sale this week too I think.
full flint
off
true epoch
any body want to play minecraft?
ruby spear
full flint
I will always appreciate ASUS making nice backplates for GPUs.
I absolutely hate the look of exposed PCB
oh neat, snazzylabs did an exposé on the Apple XDR
woeful wagon
@full flint i like this chair, had it for a few months
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C3QR8Y1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
smoky flame
downloading wolfenstein youngblood from the pc game pass. Going to try and not get too annoyed at how long it takes to download 😄
full flint
@woeful wagon thanks still looking tbh
smoky flame
that didn't last long. Downloaded, played a little of Wolfenstein Youngblood uninstalled it shortly after. Performance was fine. Just not sure it was the sort of game I fancy playing after all
full flint
downloading PSO2 so I can get my friendcode
(on PC)
judging by the notification on the xbox version, it references established players, so here's hoping 🤞
and their twitter did confirm there's no NDA.
nice
smoky flame
ohh an update to Metro Exodus. 7.92GB on Epic. One thing I've noticed, it doesn't get updated all that often. Hopefully for good reason. I prefer one quality update over X amount of poor updates (and hotfixes)
full flint
wonder what it was
full flint
welp this new laptop I want is more than 2070 super
or around same price...
what to do
desktop
its to replace the failing one i got
unless i can find a cheap one thats reliable with similar or better specs to my old one il use that
any brands to avoid?
plucky marsh
I don't have space for a desktop so laptop is prime. They are usually more expensive though 😦
full flint
This is to replace my old hp probook 470 g1
(the laptop)
i got a macbook air 2015 and ipad mini 4 i still need to sell anyway...
(I need windows btw)
errant sorrel
If you dont plan on moving around a lot, always get a desktop
plucky marsh
I don't have room for a desktop
I have to pack away my laptop ever evening after I've finished playing.
So much better for me
errant sorrel
Great idea until I realised my PC case weighs 9,5kg by itself
full flint
You should see my case
Or cases rather
It’s like 15 something KG
Cougar Panzer Max-G
Amazon says product weight is 30.7 pounds
full flint
I need laptop for portability also the fact I use it wherever
The desktop is stationary
The case alone weights 4.5kg but I wouldn't want to haul it around at all (may not seem like much)
Maybe a m-ITX PC but even then I have never owned a laptop with 1080p ips screen, which would be nice to have
If I could use something else and access my desktop from anywhere that would be neat too, although I am not sure if therecis any security issues in doing so
full flint
What nvidia gpu manufacturers to avoid?
and the best ones
think evga is good but idk what gpus are better
?
Like Ik what u mean
But nvidia is good in my opinion
like asus, msi, gigabyte, evga etc
Ooooohhhhh
I like evga
Me too except their gpus dont look that good
OEM, Asus, EVGA
PNY is good too but lesser used
MSI and Gigabyte are lower tiered
Zotac have fan issues but are otherwise fine
oblique ingot
Gigabyte low tier Lmao what
full flint
When you’ve had to use hundreds of GPU models for various things you learn these things
Gigabyte is a budget “gamer” card
You’ll literally not find them anywhere else but in “gamer” rigs
oblique ingot
Gigabyte is definitely not low tier in that case it’s mid tier
full flint
No. It’s pretty bottom of barrel for the big names
Obviously there’s the unheard of’s
But nobody’s heard of them
So they can’t be brought up
oblique ingot
LOL
smoky flame
don't forget too AMD GPUs have some manufacturers Nvidia don't have too. I wonder how they stack up compared to the big guys
full flint
I figured we were talking about NVIDIA GPU based on the previous topic
full flint
That’s literally why I said
*what
Gigabyte cards typically have a shorter lifespan due to Hynix memory as well
But that might have changed in recent years
They have plenty of other issues. Coil burnout and whine. Fan failures. PCBs melting in extreme cases
Ive seen more failed gigabyte cards than zotac fan failures
And that’s saying something
PNY are good. But they mostly make Workstation cards. So their normal models are geared more towards content creators, but are still fine for gaming
smoky flame
I remember my 980 Ti reference card had quite a bit of coil whine to it but that's before I learnt about capping frame rates. Some games and their uncapped loading screens showing 1000+ fps 😄
full flint
980 and 1080 Ti models had coil whine issues
unsure about 2080Ti, other than the hundreds of RMA lol
looks like I am looking for evga next
even though i got asus motherboard
smoky flame
some brands use custom pcbs that are different to the standard one found on Founders edition cards. I believe EVGA is one brand that does it with their FTW cards
full flint
are they good or bad
smoky flame
from what I've heard in the past EVGA are good. Lots of praise but this was during 10 series. Haven't heard much on EVGA with 20 series so it is difficult to say but I'd think they are still good
full flint
ah ok
my card is only a single fan one it should fit in my case though (dual fan)
although dont know if my psu can handle it
smoky flame
what PSU you got?
full flint
corsair tx550 or something
if i have to touch the psu at all ill just get a new amd pc at this point
smoky flame
and you are looking at 2070/2070 SUPER GPUs right?
smoky flame
does say the suggested PSU is 550w for the 2070 SUPER. 450w for 2070
so judging by that your PSU should be ok to power a 2070
smoky flame
where you trying to get this GPU from?
full flint
scan UK or amazon
overclockers delivery is £9.90 i think
smoky flame
scan tend to do a delivery fee too
full flint
its £5.48 i think
also depends on what you get
full flint
looks like its amazon then
smoky flame
nice and that is a 2070 Super too so you should get some pretty neat performance out of it
full flint
the ftw3 one or a different one
smoky flame
full flint
ah ok
it should fit the focus g mini case i got
now what to do with my 1060...
and monitor
smoky flame
ehh 1080p is fine imo and that monitor should be gsync compatible so the 2070 SUPER should be able to make use of gsync without buying a whole new monitor
full flint
yeah i can use it already
i tried it with spotify and some games it works
although id prefer va over my tn tbh
smoky flame
I want to some day go IPS but that means going 1440p and I don't think I want to. I Just see no reason to go higher res when it will impact performance somewhat but annoyingly it seems once you reach a certain spec going higher res may be the only way to mitigate a bottleneck
full flint
they do make some ips 1080p 144hz monitors
but they are rare
full flint
threadripper 3990x embargo is lifted
smoky flame
oh boy, a friend on another Discord server was having issues with their new 5600 XT GPU. Making me rethink the whole idea of getting an AMD GPU if things aren't all that stable with AMD's drivers
full flint
things have never been stable with AMD drivers lol
full flint
Which type of rx 5600xt is it?
also the rx 580 seems to be stable now
after idk how many years
smoky flame
think it was a gigabyte 5600 XT. Not sure of the exact model
full flint
ah
for amd the xfx ones and sapphire one seem to be the best in terms of hardware
for software drivers arent good at launch at all, and for some weird reason performance goes up after a while
oh, that'd explain it
full flint
fallow gorge
If I were to upgrade my gpu would it be worth it to try and use dual gpu or just replace my old one
fallow gorge
Alright, I don't reckon I'll upgrade in a while but it was a thought I had
I'd like to at least try to wait a year
Now that I look i don't think I have the space for it either
full flint
Waiting is the wise choice
Ampere is coming out soon
Should I get a dual fan or triple fan card if I do upgrade
atm I actually got a single fan one...
Depends what card it is
Don’t really need a triple fan 2060
fallow gorge
Yeah imma try and wait and get a 2070 and hope they go down
full flint
like 2070 super or ampere equivalent of that when it cones out
fallow gorge
I have a 1660 ti and it works really well
full flint
i got a 1069 6GB but would like to jump to 1440p
fallow gorge
i had a 1050 ti and its really been the jump from 60 fps to 144 fpz
i couldnt care less about resolution rn
full flint
Here’s a thought
Turing encoding is almost as good as x264 medium. It’s like right between medium and the option above it
Imagine if ampere comes out and the encoding chip is as good as x264 slow
Imagine the market disruption
People would be building streaming PCs with quad cores and ampere GPUs instead
You mean that nvenc thing?
full flint
XLR8 would that mean the client side technology would be there but would the bandwidth still be Gigabytes per session? Or would it mean smaller internet requirements and that even the unfortunate people with internet caps be able to enjoy the streaming expeience?
full flint
It would mean the encoder would throw out less information per frame
Encoding preset doesn’t really affect any of that
I suppose as the streaming technology matures they even may invent their own form of encoding to make it be less bandwidth intensive?
They already have
Again not really bandwidth related
NVENC is nvidias own encoding method
The required bandwidth to watch a stream has to do with bitrate
I was more responding to the claims that google stadia, to have a 4k experience, would mean 20gb per 1 hour session?
not that i have stadia, have access to xcloud and Geforcenow which i have to test out
Oh I’m not talking about game streaming
I’m talking about streaming and recording like twitch and YouTube
oh right, sorry, with the buzz of game streaming i thought thats what you were on about
smoky flame
I tried geforce now and didn't like it 😦
full flint
@smoky flame how so?
smoky flame
cloud saves or something. Was hoping to be able to try some games with ray tracing and set them to maxed settings etc. Every restart ended up resetting any adjustments I made to graphics settings in game
full flint
even with the £$4.99 founders account?
smoky flame
yup, tried it with Metro Exodus a few days back
full flint
ok, well i'll try it tomorrow and see how it goes
Not sure if i have a ray tracing game on steam though apart from quake
tender stratus
can we copy installed windows game to another pc?
full flint
@smoky flame Does ray tracing make a difference on GeForce Now?
glass ridge
getting pc in a few week recommended games and friends
full flint
for games whatever is popular
depends entirely on taste though
smoky flame
from what I played of Metro Exodus with ray tracing set to high it wasn't all that noticeable to my eyes but I think the real effects come into play when ray tracing is set to ultra so that may be why
blissful pelican
I’m trying to optimize my pc to make Minecraft not crash every 5 minutes, can y’all help?
vagrant blaze
@full flint yeah ray tracing is a graphical effect
@glass ridge if you're a shooter guy try out stuff like csgo and r6 siege
full flint
it's not an effect, it's a process
vagrant blaze
you get my idea lol
full flint
it's the difference between vectors and rasterization
vagrant blaze
yeah true enough
full flint
since it's mathematical it can be used for fluid simulation, physics, and fire as well
vagrant blaze
👍
tribal pilot
Ok so I got a new ssd and I want to transfer some games over to the better drive without losing all my save data. And the games I am transfering are on xbox game pass pc. But I cant find the games or ever access the windows app. So does xbox game pass have a cloud. I am most worried about final fantasy xv losing that save.
tribal pilot
nevermind
smoky flame
AMD's Arcturus architecture has apparently been spotted... Thought we weren't seeing this until at least 2021 https://www.techpowerup.com/263743/
full flint
sounds like vega...
autumn sluice
smoky flame
wait, how is that possible considering the 3990X has no iGPU?
ruby spear
If only the article had been posted instead of a screenshot...
hollow elbow
Dunno what to doooo
Get a Macbook 16" (for my business) or i7 8750H + 2060 Laptop & i7 9700K + 2070 SUPER for the same price
full flint
Software rendering of course, but can imagine graphics quality is very bad. But considering "Can it run Crysis" meme this is a real deal imo
autumn sluice
ruby spear
It wasn't me who wanted the info. I saw it long before it had been posted.
full flint
Add that to Series X plz
ruby spear
But that would not be good for gaming