#pc-gaming

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full flint
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Yeah

full flint
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Anyone have roblox on xbox?

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and a mic?

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If they did they wouldn’t be asking in this channel

digital chasm
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can i gameshare pc games?

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my friend is poor

gleaming flame
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I don't think so.

ruby spear
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Gamesharing is against the Xbox Live Terms of Service and the server rules. #rules

merry mountain
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w h o a

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a pc section on the xbox dc this is wich craftery

ruby spear
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Considering Xbox Live functionality exists on PC and there are Play Anywhere titles, it makes plenty of sense.

full flint
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Also microsoft and windows 10...

elfin summit
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I wish that microsoft gives deals to Blizzard for crossplatform for overwatch.

ruby spear
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Nothing is stopping Blizzard from adding crossplatform

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They don't need a deal, they can do that whenever they want.

full flint
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Given their previous statements I doubt it will happen

open belfry
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I'm pretty sure blizzard (correctly imo) balances overwatch differently on console and pc.

full flint
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Also hearthstone

open belfry
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If I remember right, an example where that is needed is torbjorn where hes turret is almost useless with keyboard and needs to be buffed and almost unstoppable with a controller and needed to be nerfed

full flint
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I haven’t heard of them doing that

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But I only have it on pc and I play with controller

full flint
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I remember them going into talks about it but they ultimately reverted

open belfry
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Did they? I could be wrong because that article is 4 years old

full flint
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It got backlash or something like that

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Which isn’t unsurprising

plucky marsh
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It's a shame really

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Some stuff on xbox is harder than PC just due to the nature of controllers

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I'll always prefer separate balancing on console/pc.

full flint
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Name one thing besides something like strafe jumping that’s harder on controller

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I’m genuinely curious

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Don't all games on console have some form of auto-aim?

plucky marsh
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They come with aim assist yes, but some of the abilities I mean. Tangeebee mentioned torbj's turret which was a great example.

full flint
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Not all

plucky marsh
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No but most.

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It's always been the way that kb/m will always beat controllers. It's been done time and time again.

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So naturally balancing is different.

full flint
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It hasn’t been done time and time again. Most people are just bad with aiming on controllers

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It’s an issue of complacency, not capability

plucky marsh
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They've done pros vs pros before.

full flint
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again, complacency

plucky marsh
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OK

full flint
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if a pro always uses controllers against controllers, or relies on an assist, that's complacency

plucky marsh
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That's not just the case

full flint
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yes, it is

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idk why but the old halo seems different to the modern ones
also old quake

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I mean the old quake like arena

plucky marsh
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Twitch shots for example

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There's much more to it than just complacency.

full flint
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a game like GITS, it had no controller support specifically in the game, but allowed you to use a controller as a peripheral

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I think quake shots are harder imo

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zero assists, very twitchy game

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controller users play against KBM

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it functions fine

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watch rocket jump ninja he done some stuff on it...

plucky marsh
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I'm not saying controller players can't play against PC players and win.

full flint
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you're saying some things aren't possible on a controller

plucky marsh
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I've seen it done on CS:GO & Fortnite recently actually

full flint
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and that's not true

plucky marsh
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No, that's not what I'm saying.

full flint
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or, I'm sorry

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harder

plucky marsh
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Yes.

full flint
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which also is not true

plucky marsh
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I'm not saying this as an opinion though.

full flint
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nor am I

plucky marsh
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9/10 a kb/m player will win.

full flint
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it's all player-dependent

plucky marsh
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Ok, we'll leave that there then.

full flint
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ultimately that's the only place it can be left, even in games like quake champions or DUSK

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Most console players do game on tvs to be fair

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it's ultimately just an ego stroke or complaint to have them divided that gets thrown around

plucky marsh
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That's not the issue either.

full flint
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and as soon as a controller comes into a game with no assists on it and the player does well, someone complains they're cheating

plucky marsh
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Fair enough 🙂

open belfry
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I dont want to make it a skills argument, I think its dishonest to say the only difference is player skill. Let's ignore the very high levels, theres a reason why CS:Go was dead on arrival on console and why Call of Duty is far more popular on consoles. Game design is better when player input is taken into consideration. It matters that a K&M is snap aiming and controller is drag aiming.

full flint
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there's a large difference in handicaps and design points

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as a number of games allow for snaps or flicks with a controller as well

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CoD has a lower popularity point on PC more because of the issues in networking that they have

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every CoD since 4 has had extreme networking issues on PC, and some even on consoles (Black Ops 1, Ghosts, etc)

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It's just a weak argument, and has been for the entire time frame of 8th gen

plucky marsh
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Fair enough mate 🙂

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I'm not going to say you're wrong.

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Just it's a lot of people's experience, both pro and new, that kb/m will outperform controller players.

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So we'll put it down to different opinions.

full flint
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there's a few pros on teams who use a controller for CSGO

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the argument is flawed

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

plucky marsh
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Like I said, we're all entitled to our opinions and that one is mine. 🙂

full flint
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considering you said it wasn't an opinionthonksmile

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think got his butt

plucky marsh
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Well you say otherwise. I also said I'm not going to say you're wrong, just that I don't personally agree. No need to be antagonistic about it.

ruby spear
smoky flame
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too true, lol

full flint
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Well you could put rdr2 on that now...
Although does the meme still apply?

left schooner
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holy frick i forgot about crysis

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time to reinstall it

full flint
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The og is on origin now right?

full flint
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Wasn’t it always?

full flint
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Origin existed in 2009?
Or whenenver crysis 1 came out

autumn sluice
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Added later...

full flint
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ah

full flint
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But can it run GTA V with photorealistic graphics mods?

full flint
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MAN

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who has steam dm me

smoky flame
autumn sluice
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Ye

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Just built the pc

smoky flame
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Nice, how is it or you not got that far yet?

full flint
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had GPU issues

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bought a ZOTAC

opal bane
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its that a mitx build

autumn sluice
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look it was cheap ok

opal bane
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not saying they are bad

autumn sluice
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And yea it is

full flint
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that was response to me lol

smoky flame
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what CPU you got in there?

autumn sluice
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Ik that I'm gonna probably have to dump the Mobo in the future to really upgrade

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Ryzen 5 2600

opal bane
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why is there a box in there by the way

smoky flame
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ahh, not bad 🙂

autumn sluice
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And had a sale through my retailer so I paid 160$ cdn

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Box is a psu shroud diy style

smoky flame
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that box is the PSU shroud I believe

autumn sluice
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Extra cables under there and helps airflow

smoky flame
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beat me to it there

autumn sluice
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My main issue is I only own really low demand games or f2p ones cause I never thought I would have a pc this powerful

opal bane
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not seen colour cables in soo long

autumn sluice
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I also have like no pc friends

smoky flame
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what games do you play?

opal bane
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how close is that box to the fans on the gpu

full flint
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@smoky flame I use a full desktop as a mobile computer, and it's permanently open-case too

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:^ )

smoky flame
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going to take a pic of my gaming rig. Think I'm being critical of it but I think it could do with some alterations, something I'm not doing until I upgrade though

autumn sluice
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Uuuuh

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There's a good bit of space

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I'm gonna put oles in though

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Holes

smoky flame
opal bane
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it needs dust clean lol

autumn sluice
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Yea

full flint
opal bane
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gaming and streaming pc in one

autumn sluice
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Wtf is your airflow massamo

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Mattexx 55

opal bane
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more fans on top of the case

smoky flame
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was about to say I thought I spotted two systems in there

autumn sluice
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That's the older brother to my case dark

full flint
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This is some thermaltake case

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Can’t remember which one

autumn sluice
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Huh

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Looks like the 55

full flint
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It has a plexiglass siding but I leave both side panels off permanent

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I’m pretty sure I lost them tbh

autumn sluice
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I should see if my rig can handle good streaming

full flint
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You’ll be fine

opal bane
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when get case that have glass sides its not really easy to move around

autumn sluice
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I figure but I need to check with my games to see if they need some quality changes

full flint
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Plexiglass isn’t glass though

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So it didn’t make a difference

opal bane
full flint
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I just prefer open airflow and ease of access

autumn sluice
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Mine has tempered glass on one side

opal bane
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one on my case is glass not lite

full flint
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I can slide it out and swap components as I want

autumn sluice
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I would lave open but my shepherd has a bushwack tail

opal bane
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both systems are running off 1200w dual system psu

full flint
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The Corsair 1000D is something I’m going to pick up soon.

autumn sluice
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This is where I say why not buy very good ryzen

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Good at multitask yes

opal bane
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i have 3800 lol

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and 2nd one is 2700

autumn sluice
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But why...

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Streaming isn't that intense

opal bane
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upgrade to 3800 so mitx got the 2700

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it only have ryzen 3 before that

full flint
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some just prefer to offload

smoky flame
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on another server when I asked what I should upgrade to since I feel it is time for an upgrade I was told to go with the Ryzen 5 3600. Coming from an Intel i7 6700K. Seems like it will be quite an upgrade but I'm going one (or two) better

opal bane
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ryzen 5 are really good at gaming

autumn sluice
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Sub really depends

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Guy I talked to at the pc store said ryzen for multitasking and Intel for pure gaming

full flint
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pfff

opal bane
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not true

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its really what game is some are better intel others are better amd its a mixed bag

smoky flame
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I may just wait it out until Zen 3/Ryzen 4000 launches and I go for the 4700X. 7nm+ 8c/16t

autumn sluice
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Ok correction: exact words were Intel is better if you just wanna play the game and nothing else whereas ryzen is better if you want to stream or have other things going too

opal bane
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that person must have been looking at them biased websites for info lol

full flint
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I mean

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if we're looking at single-cores , yes

smoky flame
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AMD are catching up. It has become almost marginal between AMD and Intel now in terms of gaming performance between their top CPUs

full flint
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but at minimum a processor would be dual-core

opal bane
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the normal users not really going to be able to tell anyway

smoky flame
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Also, depending on when AMD do launch Zen 3 Intel may still be on 14nm! AMD have gained some seriously impressive ground on Intel these past few years

opal bane
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intel are bring out 7nm in 2021

smoky flame
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Intel's 10th gen, for example is still 14nm. 11th gen said to be 10nm but we'll see. Talk of Intel delaying the launch of their 10th gen because the TDP is too high or something. 300W or something coming from their 10900K 10 core CPU

opal bane
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price for bang amd got them beat

full flint
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10th gen is a joke

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9th gen is the same performance basically

opal bane
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ryzen 9 and threadripper making intel look like a joke

autumn sluice
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Intel languished at the top too long

full flint
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complacency is a killer

smoky flame
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I think Intel won't see 7nm until 2022 or 2023. They plan to go back to their old tick-tock starting with 10nm which means they launch a second 10nm CPU (10nm+) before going to a new fabrication

autumn sluice
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Also my psu shroud being cardboard is ok right?

full flint
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it'll be fine, just don't let anything spark

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cardboard has a high heat tolerance, but not a high ignition point

opal bane
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be fine if its not a cheap psu

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never buy cheap psu

autumn sluice
opal bane
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have to remember thats the part that powering everything going cheap on it is bad

full flint
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I did tell you to prioritize PSU

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which one did you go with?

autumn sluice
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Uuuuuh good one

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80+

full flint
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doesn't really say anything lol

opal bane
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lol

smoky flame
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the rating doesn't always tell the full picture with a PSU

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could be 80+ Titanium and still have low quality components inside

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PSU I have is a Corsair RM650i. 650W and its 80+ Gold

opal bane
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most of them are built by Seasonic

smoky flame
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Seasonic are a top brand though I have heard some of their PSUs can't handle certain spec systems for some reason

opal bane
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if i recall rmi onces are multi rail onces

full flint
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I mostly stick with Corsair or EVGA for PSU

opal bane
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most of there psu are made by seasonic lol

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corsair evga soo on design them and seasonic make them in there factories

full flint
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yes, but it's a point on the designs that have issues

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Corsair and EVGA's designs don't typically have issues

opal bane
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im using Phanteks one 12 years warranty on it

smoky flame
autumn sluice
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Bleh I'm home now

full flint
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Bronze concern

opal bane
autumn sluice
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I don't got money to shell for gold or platinum

full flint
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I mean, it'll last long enough for you to be fine

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I'd probably not use the cardboard on it though

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Bronze have a life rating of like, what, 2 years? a bit less?

opal bane
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not going to do that much for air flow really if you got good fans it should be fine

full flint
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Quality psus have 7 year warranty
or was it 10

opal bane
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that one i have is 12

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so get a new one in 2030 lol yer no

full flint
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ultimately you'd upgrade one before then anyway

opal bane
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how i build new computers every year yes

full flint
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even on an average case

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typically 4-6 years are the longest use-case unless it's like an OEM

opal bane
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was changed to newer one at the end of 2019 tho

autumn sluice
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5 year warranty

opal bane
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run at a locked 60fps in metro exodus 1080p extreme with rtx on

azure flicker
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That's a lot

hot seal
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yes please lol

full flint
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they're single-platter

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er, sorry

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multi-platter, single-head

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literally useless for desktops and gaming

full flint
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Are those for servers

autumn sluice
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Gonna say that and workstation pc

full flint
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Workstations dont really need it
mainly NAS or SAS

shadow anchor
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I have 960 gtx 1gb, 2gb ram, 222 memory and a 300w power

smoky flame
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a 1GB 960? That can't be right. 960 was 2GB and some models even had 4GB

opal bane
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who uses normal drives on a server anymore we all uses ssd's

full flint
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@opal bane
for data servers/centers

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more space

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SSDs are still expensive even in enterprise markets

tender nymph
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i have an 8gb rog strix rx 580 overclocked

smoky flame
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RX 580 isn't too bad a GPU. 8GB is great even gaming at 1080p. Good choice 🙂

full flint
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@tender nymph
That is better than my 1060 6GB

tender nymph
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i have a 1080p monitor dont need a 4k one right now too expensive more then my card

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i can run anything at ultra 60 fps

full flint
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1440p or 4K is expensive for me, the card even more

smoky flame
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oh 1080p is plenty. No reason to go up to 4K imo

full flint
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@tender nymph
try witcher 2 or rdr2

tender nymph
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i might buy them when i have money and they go on sale

full flint
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Witcher 2 with übersampling on

tender nymph
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what does that do?

full flint
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If you run game at 1080p it runs it at 4K then downscales
And if you run at 4K it runs at 8K then downscales
its like super sampling

tender nymph
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alright

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how does it run for you?

full flint
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would be better to use dsr
I dont run that
or play witcher 2...

tender nymph
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ok

smoky flame
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trying to figure out the best and least time consuming way to find the most stable frame times in the games I play so I can achieve the lowest latency while keeping the highest graphics settings active and so far I'm not having much fun

full flint
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Yeah that is a problem I have faced on PC

smoky flame
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pc gamer problems right? 😄

full flint
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For me is trying to find settings which yields highest visual fidelity nd fps closest too 144

smoky flame
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The Division 2 at maxed setting I drop my FPS almost in half and just about see stable frame times form. Using MSI Afterburner + Rivatuner with graphs for frame rate and frame time monitoring and apparently frame time being flat means they are stable. Eyeballing it every few seconds gets annoying real fast though

full flint
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any one who plays The Forest

full flint
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So you can't actually buy that (it a total of 4 systems)
vs the other which one which is only a max of 2
also that one has an Xbox One X and PS4 Pro

full flint
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@full flint

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they only build one real big-o

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eventually it gets sold for some uber-price

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the others are basically just gimmicky novelty computers

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Ah
So thats the only one?

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yes. it was sold for $15k

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the one unbox therapy reviewed?
who owns it btw

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that'd be like xbox telling someone who owns one of their consoles. it's a standard sale, nothing special

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thought they only had one of those

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doesn't mean they just announce someone who buys it. idk, they didn't say.

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I'd imagine they treated it like a normal sale

full flint
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ok seems fair
although the person who bought it likely sold it again...

full flint
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it keeps on saying we cant sign you in try again later 0x409 can anyone help

ruby spear
slow osprey
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imagine the next xbox being a gaming pc

oblique ingot
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ok

full flint
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Has Anyone here ever played Unravel? Just wondering not trying to intrude.

ruby spear
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I've finished the first one and played a little of the second. I really enjoyed the first.

full flint
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I was about half way through the first but had to reset my Pc, and now i cant reinstall it for some reason i have plans to try and repurchase it.

ruby spear
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Big fan of the first game

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But keep forgetting about the second so I really should get that played.

full flint
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Oh woah! Thats super cool!

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Yeah its really interesting and fun.

remote stone
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hi there. is it possible to connect a xbox 360 controller througfh the xbox one usb dongle?

ruby spear
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You mean use a 360 controller on an XB1?

remote stone
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on a pc but with xbox 1 dongle

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I got 2x 360 wireless controllers here but the receiver broke. so i think about getting a x box 1 controller with the usb thingy

ruby spear
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I don't believe so. I think it only supports the XB1 controller. You need the 360 wireless receiver for that.

remote stone
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thank you

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:)

full flint
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You can also use xbox one controllers (the newer ones) using bluetooth, USB or xbox wireless on PC.

smoky flame
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maybe my PC upgrade I mentioned before isn't going to be so extreme. Decided to scrap the whole "4700X, 32GB ram and 3080 Ti" upgrade and just focus on upgrading my CPU for the time being. Much cheaper. I wouldn't even like to guess how much that original idea may have set me back after it all launches

full flint
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X570? Interesting choice

smoky flame
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mainly just to pair up the 3600 and some of the latest Ryzen 3000 features and whatnot. If A520 and B550 existed I would have opted for a B550 motherboard instead

full flint
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You can use on b450 but via bios update

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Unless you plan on using pcie 4.0

smoky flame
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yeah, well aware of being able to use b450 but I'd prefer not to have to go through any extra hassle tbh. Would like to have it work out the box pretty much

full flint
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Still would be nice if they had b550 boards...

full flint
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X470 is a good compromise?

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Depends on what processor you have

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I run an x470 with my 2700x and it works great

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My 3600 runs great.

opal bane
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im running x570 with my 3800x so no idea

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its really upto how much money want to throw at a motherboard they can really start get up there in price

full flint
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Also cpu and gpu and ram
Speaking of ram
@smoky flame
Can't you use the DDR4 from your old PC if you have it?

smoky flame
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I could but it is older and is much slower. That 3200MHz kit I have listed will be overclocked further to try and reach Ryzen 3000's optimal 1:1 mode for ram - 3733MHz, CL17. Failing that I'll get to 3600, CL16

full flint
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ok fair enough

plucky marsh
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No story spoilers at least.

unique kiln
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I have the best gaming computer

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My gpu is GeForce GTX 780

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and I have the AMD FX-9590

full flint
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what if there was a pc with RTX 3000 Nvidia geforce ?

smoky flame
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Something tells me that GPU will now struggle quite a bit. 3GB ram on the 780 won't really get far with more recent games

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also, the fx 9590? is that not a really hot running 8 core CPU? I can recall reading up on a 5ghz 8 core AMD CPU from the FX era

full flint
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Da bestest computer

full flint
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@full flint

full flint
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Seen that last week

smoky flame
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one think I've noticed with AMD GPU pricing it appears there is a $120 difference per GPU. 5500 XT - $159, 5600 XT - $279, 5700 XT - $399. Going by that, if AMD launch two more GPUs (5800 XT and 5900 XT) their prices could be like so. $529 for the 5800 XT and $649 for the 5900 XT

full flint
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Still cheaper than 2080ti
Also you mean for Navi right?
I think the 5900XT will be more though

smoky flame
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could well be more expensive, no one besides AMD will know until closer to whenever pricing etc is actually announced. $649 would be crazy, especially if it turns out that is the GPU that beats the 2080 Ti in that OpenVR benchmark by 17%

full flint
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Nvidia will likely have 3000 series then

smoky flame
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yeah, for sure. Nvidia could be set to announce their next gen in March at GTC. Some talk going about that we could see Ampere (3000 series) released some time in June

full flint
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That would be early, although I think the 1080 was june 2016 (cannot remember exactly though)

smoky flame
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I hope this time Nvidia don't launch their X080 Ti successor so fast. Launch X050 -X080 first, keep a Titan in reserve then some time after the launch of the Titan launch the X080 Ti. Throw back to their 900 series schedule

full flint
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I think the X050 will have a weird name as the 1650 and 1660 did
Then super cards the year after

smoky flame
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Hope no super cards later 20 series was a mess imo. Nvidia should have launched 20 series with the specs the later launched SUPER cards shipped with

full flint
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Agreed

opal bane
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staying with nvidia the drivers for amd vide cards aren't that great

smoky flame
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yeah, I don't know what's happened to AMD and their driver stability lately. It has taken quite the hit. Hopefully it is something they can sort before the launch of even more powerful GPUs

full flint
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Agreed
the control planel is nice drivers are bad

plucky marsh
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Has anyone found any decent alternative to plays.tv since it shut down? Been using Medal but would be nice for it to record the whole gameplay rather than just last 30 seconds or so.

full flint
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Surely you can use OBS?

plucky marsh
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Doesn't that only upload to YouTube?

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Or rather, exports it to something for me to upload?

thorny cypress
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OBS? No, it's to whatever service you want. I use it for Twitch, Mixer, restream.io, etc

plucky marsh
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Yeah so that's for streaming though.

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I mean recording of clips and saving. Then uploading them to a site.

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To share clips etc.

thorny cypress
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oh, you can just record locally to your PC, and then upload wherever

full flint
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one of them let you record clips forgot which one

plucky marsh
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Yeah so that's the bit I want to avoid, uploading wherever.

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Thanks though 🙂 I'll stick with Medal for the moment 🙂

thorny cypress
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so you want it to auto-upload?

plucky marsh
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Has a nice phone app too to share.

thorny cypress
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I'm confused what you're looking for

plucky marsh
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Not auto-upload as such, but what Plays.tv used to do was record my whole gameplay, then I could grab a certain amount of time and upload it to plays website.

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Like the xbox record, but instead of the last x seconds, the whole session. From game start up to shut down.

full flint
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Ah without editing...

plucky marsh
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Then I could pick out from that session what I want uploading.

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and it would upload to a service, plays in this case.

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Which made it easy for me to share clips with friends etc.

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Sorry if that doesn't make sense

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I can use Medal to record the last x amount of time.

full flint
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Does something like that exist already?
game hightlights...

plucky marsh
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But I wanted a start to finish game session recording that I could also easily upload to a service for easy sharing.

woeful wagon
#

i like the new fps cap in the nvidia driver

plucky marsh
#

Most of them only record the last x amount of seconds though

full flint
#

same here I will probably cap at 100 or 120

plucky marsh
#

With plays it recorded everything and you could 'bookmark' the play to check out later.

full flint
#

does nvidia shadowplay do the same thing
or do you mean for xbox

plucky marsh
#

No for PC, I'll look at shadowplay

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Hmm that looks like it is DVR-style and can start recording before a game starts. That might be something more I'm looking for. Thanks will download and give it a go 🙂

woeful wagon
#

does freesync work for you guys in forza?

smoky flame
#

We talking Horizon 4 or Motorsport 7? I have a gsync monitor, like freesync but hardware based rather than software

woeful wagon
#

horizon 4

smoky flame
#

gsync seems to work fine so freesync should too 🤔

woeful wagon
#

i just recently got a monitor upgrade, the screen tearing seems to be worse than gsync

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i had some screen tearing with gsync when i had my old monitor, but its worse with freesync

smoky flame
#

what GPU you got?

woeful wagon
#

1080ti

smoky flame
#

ahh, same as me then 🙂 Yeah, if you bought a freesync monitor you better hope it is gsync compatible. Works like freesync does (software based rather than hardware) but the whole "gsync compatible" thing isn't available on all freesync monitors

woeful wagon
#

i think mine was on the list of compatible ones

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its an msi monitor

smoky flame
#

know the exact model?

woeful wagon
#

msi mag341cq

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yes it is

smoky flame
#

ok, so if you haven't already, you may have to enable it through the nvidia control panel

woeful wagon
#

it is enabled, but i see a new setting that wasent there before

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display specific settings

smoky flame
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hover over it and scroll down to see what the description gives about that option

woeful wagon
#

doesnt show anything

smoky flame
#

hmm strange setting. Guess you could click it and see what it does. Sounds like it could be useful

woeful wagon
#

ill try that

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when i enabled it, the display flickered

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so it did something

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i also capped the fps at 95

smoky flame
#

if you aren't sure though I'm sure google can help as I don't have that option or know what it does. So I can't help beyond that, sorry 😦

woeful wagon
#

thanks for the help

smoky flame
#

what's the refresh rate of your monitor?

woeful wagon
#

100hz

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still tearing, it never worked properly for me

#

even with gsync it would still tear

smoky flame
#

try capping it 3fps below. There is a guide from blur busters I follow called gsync 101. Not sure if their options also apply to gsync compatible monitors but you could try them

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another thing is Forza doesn't allow frame rate capping but there is a workaround

woeful wagon
#

it works with the driver settings just fine

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along with nvidia inspector

smoky flame
#

yeah, I was just about to get there lol. I was going to make sure your drivers were most up to date then say to you to enable the max frame rate option and cap it to 97 FPS. G sync not working as it should is a bit odd though I think

woeful wagon
#

it was only with forza to

smoky flame
#

let me try Forza on my monitor again. My monitor has an LED that indicates when gsync is in use (red light) provided that stays red it shows to me gsync is active and in use

woeful wagon
#

followed the guide, enabled vsync in the control panel along with the 3 fps below the refresh rate

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perfect

smoky flame
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vsync adds some latency but will remove the tearing. The point of a 3 fps cap below your monitor's refresh rate is so that it avoid FPS from hitting the gsync ceiling. Capping it at 100 FPS for example isn't exactly 100 fps and when it goes over that (which it will occasionally) gsync disengages or something. Pretty technical stuff

woeful wagon
#

well the guide said to turn it on

full flint
#

Hi

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Random interjection here

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If you’re gaming for maximum competitiveness, turn off both vsync and gsync

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Ok have fun

woeful wagon
#

well with my new monitor, its not optimal

full flint
#

Doesn’t matter

woeful wagon
#

theres only one really bad thing about my monitor, its the response time

full flint
#

“Optimal” is an opinion

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For me, “optimal” is the least latency possible. Both gsync and vsync introdunce it.

smoky flame
#

another option I think would be to keep gsync and vsync as they were and find a way to eyeball frame time (not possible in FH4) and set it to a level where the frame time is 99% stable. Said to achieve the lowest latency that way, even though it lowers FPS

full flint
#

Also vsync + gsync needed to work sounds like the monitor isn’t built very well

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The whole point of gsync is to replace vsync

woeful wagon
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yeah i know

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that boggled me when i had my gsync monitor screen tearing

full flint
#

Well gsync isn’t a stop-all anti-tearing feature

smoky flame
#

it appears gsync needs vsync though as I noticed tearing once not having vsync enabled even with a 141 fps cap to stop FPS from going beyond the refresh rate

full flint
#

It also depends how well it’s built and what version of gsync it uses

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My 240hz Monitor eliminates tearing from 165fps down to like... 30 I think

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Anything over 165 and I simply get a reduction in tearing

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I have it turned off completely because tearing doesn’t matter to me. I care about the smallest delay possible

woeful wagon
#

most of the games i play sat around 80-120~ fps

smoky flame
#

wait you have a 240hz monitor and can't have it keep tear free all the way up to 237 fps?

full flint
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No, gsync cant do that

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There’s a whole lot of misconceptions around freesync/gsync

smoky flame
#

wow, I didn't even know that until now. So in other words 240+ hz monitors aren't ideal?

full flint
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They can’t work that high

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No they’re still the best in the competitive world

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They’re effective on making it smoother, but it won’t eliminate tearing completely

smoky flame
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yeah but if you can't make use of gsync then what's the point? Premium money spent on a feature that cannot be used and sure competitive gamers may not care for gsync, freesyn or vsync etc but still

full flint
#

It can be used?

woeful wagon
#

some games where it cant hit that and falls in the range

full flint
#

^

smoky flame
#

yeah, I get that part... Somewhat walked myself into that one there

full flint
#

Nobody who cares that much about having a tear free experience is going to buy a 1080p240 monitor

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Nobody

woeful wagon
#

yup

smoky flame
#

by any chance is your 240hz monitor the ASUS PG258Q?

full flint
#

Acer xb272

woeful wagon
#

with my monitor i decided to go more on the visuals than the performance

royal peak
#

is the 60-144-240hz difference that significant.Like from one to the other

woeful wagon
#

i know i was able to tell the difference between 60-100-120-144

royal peak
#

and by significant i mean noticeable

smoky flame
#

60 to 144 is quite significant. After that it sort of diminishes

woeful wagon
#

past that it was hard

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i can overclock my monitor to 115hz if i wanted to

royal peak
#

Yeah thats what i thought

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I dont think your eyes can even see stuff at 240hz

full flint
#

You won’t notice going from 144 to 240. But going back down to 144, you will 100% notice

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That’s bs

woeful wagon
#

the highest ive ever seen was 165hz

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but most of the games ran at like 100-144 fps most of the time

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at best

full flint
#

I’ve been playing on it long enough that I can notice (like it distracts me) once it drops down to like 190. But I have most of my games optimized so it never gets that low anymore.

woeful wagon
#

unless if it was an esports title

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then my 4790k couldent push it

smoky flame
#

my monitor can overclock to 180hz but it introduces some overly bright parts to the screen and can be a bit off putting. ASUS PG248Q

woeful wagon
#

i upgraded the cpu since i sold my old monitor though

full flint
#

I’ll be buying that 360hz one whenever it comes out

woeful wagon
#

i knew it

smoky flame
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lol have fun getting all that FPS

full flint
#

240 is amazing and I can’t wait to push my skills even father

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I mean my 2080ti can hit it

woeful wagon
#

yeah but can your cpu?

full flint
#

I7 8700k

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4.6 clock

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Nvidias ampere cards come out soon. Already have a friend buying my 2080ti. Should be easy enough with the next gen cards

smoky flame
#

9900K and 2080 Ti can be bottlenecked at 1080p so no matter how much fps your GPU can throw out CPU still has to keep up and they generally can't with some games

full flint
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I mean

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I run overwatch at 2k300 and only 300 because that’s the highest the game can go

woeful wagon
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its 400

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you can rig the settings to go to that

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ive always had issues getting games to go that high

full flint
#

Well if you could tell me how to do that please let me know

woeful wagon
#

overwatch always sat around 150-200

full flint
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I use the custom cap and 300 is as high as it lets me go

woeful wagon
#

the ryzen 5 3600 bumped the frames up though

smoky flame
#

I can't wait to upgrade my CPU this year. Moving from Intel to AMD. 6700K (14nm, Skylake) to 3600 (7nm, Zen 2)

woeful wagon
#

i love the cpu

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upgraded from a 4790k

full flint
#

Nice

woeful wagon
#

in fh4 the cpu was at 100% the entire time, getting around 60-80 fps

full flint
#

I have a 2700x in my streaming PC

woeful wagon
#

i can get 120+ with the 3600

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its the first cpu where i was gpu bound

smoky flame
#

I noticed you aren't gaming at maxed settings in FH4. Not that it is a bad but there are options beyond ultra

woeful wagon
#

yeah i know

full flint
#

Idk if I got a really good chip or something but I have yet to have my 8700k bottleneck me

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Usually my 2080ti caps out first

smoky flame
#

I don't know exactly how a bottleneck plays out tbh. Like is it noticable or can one still get really good performance even under "bottlenecked" conditions? 🤔

full flint
#

Bottlenecking isn’t too common for a CPU nowadays unless it’s a quad core, or you’re running a game that uses vulkan or DX12 api

smoky flame
#

brb getting a cup of tea

woeful wagon
#

i was going to get the new nvidia cards

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i think i figured out a good upgrade cycle for the gpu

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just skip a generation

smoky flame
#

yeah, I might be doing the same. 3080 Ti might be a bit much though. Guess we'll see soon though. Hopefully this year

woeful wagon
#

i started saving for it

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i have most of the money ready

smoky flame
#

might be worth looking at AMD too though. high end Navi coming along soon. Likely before Nvidia launch their next gen GPUs and high end Navi could work out cheaper yet still perform better than the 2080 Ti

woeful wagon
#

ill be looking at amd, but it depends on how good the 3080ti will be

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amd could offer something better than the 2080ti, but is it better than the 3080ti type thing

smoky flame
#

well if rumours have been anything to go by Ampere could be as much as 50% faster than Turing. Awkwardly though there was no specifics but I think that "50% faster" will only apply to RTX performance

woeful wagon
#

oh yeah, dying light 2 is supposed to have some RTX

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kinda makes me want to get an RTX card now but i gotta wait

hot seal
#

yep they were going to release the game earlier but decided it would be a cross-gen title which for a game thats releasing Spring is a long wait to see the differences on next-gen.

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may upgrade my PC in the future but no plans right now.

smoky flame
#

I may yet give RTX another generation before I buy into, all pending how well its top end (Non-Titan card) does against the 1080 Ti. RTX performance it will of course blow it away but Nvidia have to remember not every game supports RTX or even ray tracing in general so my main focus in buying an upgrade will still be on the general compute power improvements

woeful wagon
#

hopefully the new consoles change that a little

smoky flame
#

1080 Ti to 2080 Ti did not meet what I had expected (40%+) so I'd like to think a two gen leap may meet what I was hoping but that was hopes in 2018 or whenever the Turing GPUs launched. I feel I have to up my performance expectations further

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+70% (or greater) performance improvements over 1080 Ti in general compute power doesn't sound too ridiculous to expect right?

woeful wagon
#

that would be a nice upgrade for me if it is

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i think digital foundry said 60% performance increase would be the best time to upgrade

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it should be that high, its been a whole gen

smoky flame
#

yeah, I say 70% purely because of the leap in generation and expecting only 40% two generations on from the 1080 Ti Nvidia would be taking the micky for sure, especially if they keep the price the same or up it further. Give me a reason to want to buy that GPU, not avoid it!

full flint
#

And here is me with my 1060 6GB and 1080p 144hz monitor... 😂

woeful wagon
#

still a good setup though

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i went to 1440p 144hz

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then to 3440x1440 100hz, wanted to try out some ultra wide

#

my laptop though is going to show its age this year

full flint
#

Ah you are on a laptop?
Or PC?
Both my devices are already outdated by 2020 standards

woeful wagon
#

i have a desktop and laptop

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i got the laptop used back in 2017 i think, for a pretty good deal

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it has a 970m, 6700hq, 16gb RAM, 128 GB SSD/1TB HDD combo

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it was like $1,400 new, and i got it for $470

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the 970m is in between the 1050 and the 1050ti

full flint
#

Ah nice
Mine is a HP Probook 470 G1 I have
(not for gaming but it does have a hd 8750m)
And of course no Full HD screen...

woeful wagon
#

thats not bad i guess

#

mines an alienware r2 15

#

RDR really shows its age though

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low-med 720p 60

#

pretty much xbone with double the framerate

stiff plover
#

guys is kingdom come deliverance worth it ?

full flint
#

I have the game (actually got it for free) not played it
think it is with gamepass xbox one not sure about PC

woeful wagon
#

it is on game pass

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i love how im outta garage space like all the time

full flint
smoky flame
#

Been playing The Division 2 for most of tonight and I was trying to see if I could fix the DirectX 12 crashes I've been having since launch day and I thought I was onto something but it still crashed. I want to make DirectX 12 my go to API this year since it really does seem there are performance improvements to be had but crashes are having me rethink 😦

woeful wagon
#

i normally go for dx11 if i had a choice

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most of the time dx12 is worse

#

but the newer games are getting better with dx12

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or switching to vulkan

full flint
#

typically both

woeful wagon
#

most of the games ive been playing, are a few years old

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running dx11

full flint
#

I have better performance on DX12, personally

#

across the board

woeful wagon
#

on what games?

full flint
#

across the board

#

all games

#

but my setup is non-standard as well

woeful wagon
#

oh, i usually get the same performance or slightly worse

plucky marsh
#

Including Borderlands? I was worried to use it on that.

full flint
#

slightly better here, nothing groundbreaking

woeful wagon
#

O_o

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well its not on steam yet

plucky marsh
#

Ah fair enough

woeful wagon
#

if i sail the seas i might find it

full flint
#

it runs equally bad across all systems lmao

plucky marsh
#

There is that too, Dark lol.

full flint
#

for some reason the Volumetric Fog in BL3 is just......not optimized at all

plucky marsh
#

But I couldn't run it using dx12

woeful wagon
#

most of my friends already played it, so i might not even get it

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i wasent buying it on the epic store

full flint
#

nor was I

plucky marsh
#

Personally I preferred 2, but I enjoyed it still.

full flint
#

my roomate got it

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and since he has a slightly older gaming laptop I just let him install on my dekstop

plucky marsh
#

I don't regret getting it on Epic Store but I understand why a lot of people didn't want to.

woeful wagon
#

i like how gog galaxy 2.0 manages the games better than the epic store

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i can see all the games at a glance, like steams way of doing it

full flint
#

I like the multi-plat integration

woeful wagon
#

i do to

#

the best part is the multi platform friends list

plucky marsh
#

gog?

woeful wagon
#

its the DRM free storefront

full flint
#

Good Ol Games

plucky marsh
#

Oh cool, not heard of that before.

full flint
#

CDProjekt's storefront

#

the owners of CDPR

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Galaxy 2.0

plucky marsh
#

Ah that'd be why

woeful wagon
#

i was going to get cyberpunk 2077 on it

plucky marsh
#

Looks cool though. I usually just add stuff to steam

#

Might not end up using it as I don't have platform specific friends but it looks nice still

woeful wagon
#

i can see that i own xbox fitness with it

full flint
#

these are the out-of-the-box integrations

#

also...Origin irritates me

plucky marsh
#

LOL was about to say

full flint
#

because it displays me with 2 usernames

#

I am BOTH DarkDullahan and TheDarkDullahan

plucky marsh
#

The origin name is only different one (ignoring Steam that you can change any time)

full flint
#

I need to contact them to get that fixed

plucky marsh
#

I have that issue on origin too

smoky flame
#

hmm can I launch games from GOG and it won't open that game's original launcher?

plucky marsh
#

I think it's just a platorm thing

#

I am Albzi and BeatAlex somehow

#

Yeah that's a good point

woeful wagon
#

it supports the rockstar launcher to

plucky marsh
#

Although I assume it will

full flint
#

that must be a new integration

plucky marsh
#

Uplay launcher is needed for siege for example

#

So I guess it jst opens up those launchers?

woeful wagon
#

just search it in the connections menu

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comes right up

full flint
#

it can launch through Galaxy2.0

smoky flame
#

😮

full flint
#

I wonder how many other hidden ones there are

woeful wagon
smoky flame
#

downloading GOG now

plucky marsh
#

I'm not on laptop anymore, does it support VR games too then?

woeful wagon
#

i think you need to be invited for 2.0

plucky marsh
#

Or will that have to launch Steam for SteamVR?

woeful wagon
#

think of it as a launcher for launchers

glass pelican
#

wewe is good

obsidian bobcatBOT
#

KNSBBan ioi#2148 has been banned.

smoky flame
#

says it is in open beta so I should just be able to download and install, no invitation required

full flint
#

yeah

#

it's finally open

#

there's all the integration possibilities

woeful wagon
#

neat humble bundle is there

plucky marsh
#

Hmm, if it ends up opening other launchers I'll probably remove it so hope it's good.

full flint
#

I think it only launches them if you install from it

plucky marsh
#

Oh, so I have to uninstall overwatch/siege

#

Then reinstall?

full flint
#

no lol

plucky marsh
#

Oh sorry I don't understand

full flint
#

actually, it does use the other launchers

#

but that's not the purpose of it

#

it's an aggregator

plucky marsh
#

Oh

full flint
#

so you can just do it from one location

plucky marsh
#

I just use Steam for that

full flint
#

it basically has that function that steam has, but on a broader level

#

since it supports UWP

plucky marsh
#

Oh, well for me probably not worth it then. Thanks though! Still looks cool

full flint
#

it's still WIP, so hopefully in the future

plucky marsh
#

Yeah I'll keep an eye on it

full flint
#

I understand why it opens the other launchers, they have to verify licenses

#

so that makes sense

woeful wagon
#

cyberpunk is coming up quick

plucky marsh
#

Yeah I get that, wouldn't mind if it was silent maybe

full flint
#

it's the only thing that allows you to see all of your libraries in one though

#

so less scrolling and manually opening each launcher

#

since it does it when you click play

#

it's just a convenience factor

plucky marsh
#

I have it all on Steam anyway, even the uninstalled games

full flint
#

I think it has PSNow support

#

but I could be wrong

woeful wagon
#

most of my games are on steam anyway

full flint
#

I know they were talking about it

plucky marsh
#

I'll definitely keep an eye on it

woeful wagon
#

nothing really worth mentioning from ubisoft or EA

plucky marsh
#

Siege I play a lot

woeful wagon
#

90% of the time i use the rockstar launcher or the windows store

plucky marsh
#

Smite kind of has its own launcher too, not sure how that works. And FFXIV. Not tried to launch without steam

#

Maybe I'll give it a go and just use it for a few days, see how I get on.

woeful wagon
#

i used to have steam on startup, till i realized i dont play to many of my games off of it

#

oh yeah the overwatch launcher

#

i forgot about that

plucky marsh
woeful wagon
#

for some reason, that launcher uses like 40-50% of my cpu everytime it has to update something

#

i just looked at some of the release dates for some games

#

coming a lot sooner than i thought

#

well i remember saying, that life is strange 2 is going to start 2020 for me

#

it did

woeful wagon
#

i would like to build a linux gaming pc to try it out

full flint
#

I too throw away money

smoky flame
#

I could definitely get used to GOG. One thing needs to happen to really get me on board with it though. Silent integration. Basically have games show that are installed on the PC and be able to launch games without having the launcher where that game is installed open with it

woeful wagon
#

or i could install it on my laptop

#

something secondary to try it out

#

i have an i3 550 i think sitting around

#

buy like a $40 gpu and there

full flint
#

@smoky flame license verification

#

it'll always require those launchers

#

especially for their online functionality

smoky flame
#

hmm could be it has launcher launch first time to verify beyond that (and updates) the user could have the option to run completely silent

full flint
#

not exactly possible

#

as that'd require offline mode

#

or those platforms giving GOG access to their license verification

smoky flame
#

yeah, there is that 😦 Maybe some day

woeful wagon
#

i doubt it would ever happen

smoky flame
#

as much as I like GOG I think I prefer keeping to one launcher tbh

full flint
#

ultimately by using several launchers individually you're doing the opposite of just that

smoky flame
#

yeah but I'd never have them all open at once. GOG means I effectively have two launchers going on anything that isn't Xbox or bought from GOG itself

woeful wagon
#

or three

#

or four

#

if you dont close them

#

5

full flint
#

it automatically opens them and launches the game, which can be beneficial for me since I don't have to scroll a mile in my start menu to find them

smoky flame
#

Only reason I stick to one launcher at a time was since I bought the division on steam back when it launched I wasn't aware I required uplay as well and that annoyed me since any time I wanted to play The Division it would have required having both Steam and Uplay open at the same time. Never had that issue since

full flint
#

all uplay games are like that

woeful wagon
#

yup

#

its worse now since they switched to epic

#

i think the game installs twice if you have the epic version

full flint
woeful wagon
#

you download from epic, launches uplay, then uplay downloads it, plays game

smoky flame
#

yeah, back then I wasn't aware though. I was still learning a lot about PC gaming and all the stuff. Safe to say I think I have come a long way in a pretty short space of time (4 years in June!)

woeful wagon
#

i remember it being an issue with the division 2

#

i fully switched to pc back in like 2015

#

moved over from xbox

smoky flame
#

I only made the full switch to PC gaming last February. Was on PS4 before getting into PC in 2016. No idea what possessed me to stick with PS4 for a little over 2 more years from getting my PC though

woeful wagon
#

i kinda drifted back a little bit

#

i bought a ps4 pro last year to play some exclusives

#

i think i put more than 300 hours on it since i bought it

full flint
#

"Think"

#

lol

#

that bad, huh?

woeful wagon
#

well i had to add it up from the games i played

#

the dashboard doesnt track the hours

#

for some reason

smoky flame
#

I put over 2000 hours into Warframe on PS4. It was pretty much the only game I really played on it and it sure wasn't going to be enough to keep me on PS4

woeful wagon
#

the game i played the most on mine was gta online

#

i bought a year of psn + for red dead online a month before it came out

#

i dident really like it so, instead of wasting the year, i got gta 5 for like $15 on sale

#

after going threw the settings, like 90% of the features are locked behind psn+

#

like updating games automatically

full flint
#

Death Stranding's my big one this year

#

but that's coming to PC in august

woeful wagon
#

yup, was waiting for the pc version

full flint
#

even though I already beat it

#

def buying it again

#

well. "getting" it again

woeful wagon
#

the 3 exclusives i bought for my ps4, eventually came to pc

smoky flame
#

how was Death Stranding? I may pick it up on PC too some time after it releases

full flint
#

it was good, really good

#

most fun I've had on any game in quite some time

#

though, it's a slow burn at the beginning

#

@lean finch promised he'd continue it, and hasn't been heard from since

smoky flame
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same old Kojima ways of really long, unskippable cutscenes?

full flint
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you can skip them...I think

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they're long though

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but you'd be...bluntly....kinda an idiot to skip them

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as the information given to you is kinda important

lean finch
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Funny is dead, this is remaining subconscious

full flint
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play the game subconsciously then remaining subconscious

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I can't discuss the game with you until you do anyway

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it only takes about 20 hours to beat if you're moving quickly and only focusing on the main objective

woeful wagon
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does the game have multiplayer?

full flint
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not...exactly

woeful wagon
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i remember someone saying theres a hub world or something

full flint
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it's similar to how NieR does online

woeful wagon
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with a bunch of other players

full flint
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no

woeful wagon
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never played one of those games

full flint
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no hub, you can't see other players

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they can leave items in the world, and they show up in yours

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or items they drop

woeful wagon
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oh ok

full flint
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they can also give out contracts for you to deliver, and vice versa

woeful wagon
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that makes sense now

oblique ingot
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sorry for the ping mate, but is a R9 380X Nitro Sapphire 4 GB good @smoky flame

woeful wagon
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how much are you paying for it?

oblique ingot
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it’s the graphics card i had, just wondering if I have to replace it or not

woeful wagon
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its ok, depends on what you want to do with it

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if you wanted to do 1080p med-high settings 60 for modern games i would upgrade it

oblique ingot
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hm ok

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thanks

full flint
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I'd say mid

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newer games have some problems on high with it

woeful wagon
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i think it would start to show its age this year though

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its more powerful than a 1050ti, on par with a 1650

oblique ingot
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@woeful wagon

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actually nvm

woeful wagon
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its pretty good

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try to get the best you can with the money you have

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if you can save like another $100 you can get a 2060

oblique ingot
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My build can play most modern games at 1080p 60fps even at high settings so I’ll stick with that

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maybe in the future

woeful wagon
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yeah it would be fine for now

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its about 20% faster than my laptops gpu

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RDR really shows its age

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if games are going to be like RDR this year, its gonna suck

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my laptop is able to run rdr, its just i have to drop the resolution to 720p

oblique ingot
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I have rx 580.

woeful wagon
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i thought you had an r9 380x

oblique ingot
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separate graphics card

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r9 was my first one

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that was a $300-$400 ish build

woeful wagon
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when did you build it?

oblique ingot
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Like mis 2017

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mid*

woeful wagon
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thats pretty good

full flint
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XLR8, you play Quake Champions?

full flint
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No

full flint
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Are any of you still on windows 7?

tender nymph
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i upgraded last year

autumn sluice
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I'm on unactivated w10

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ran outta money for windows in my build

autumn sluice
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Uuuuuh

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Regarding anyone running Windows 10 on their device
The NSA has released an official, public statement urging everyone to update their Windows devices as soon as possible. An exploit has been identified in the current version of Windows 10 that can allow malicious software to be automatically installed on your computer, under the guise of approved Windows updates. This means that very soon, hackers will be developing tools to be able to take control of and install malicious software to over 900 million PCs worldwide, with little to nothing that can be done to stop or remove the infected software due to the system believing it is from an approved Windows Update. The NSA and US Department of Defense urges everyone on Widows 10 to update their computer IMMEDIATELY, as a fix for the exploit has already been released. Again, failing to update now will put your machine at extreme risk in the future. Links to the OFFICIAL NSA statement and a detailed news report are included below for you to read.

https://media.defense.gov/2020/Jan/14/2002234275/-1/-1/0/CSA-WINDOWS-10-CRYPT-LIB-20190114.PDF

https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-windows-10-vulnerability-disclosure/

Wired

In a shift toward transparency, the National Security Agency announced a bug that could have left over 900 million PCs vulnerable to attack.

full flint
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thanks @autumn sluice

livid brook
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sounds like NSA released their new spy software and need us to install it asap lol

full flint
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could be taken either way tbh

oblique ingot
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sounds sketchy to me

real quiver
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How come Microsoft hasn't released an official statement 🤔

full flint
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Everything is sketchy in security stuff lol

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The funny thing is the security flaw was discovered by the NSA
Just looking at articles now

buoyant skiff
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Didn't heard of this until today

woeful wagon
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microsoft knows how to make a great operating system!

woeful wagon
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well im updating all my computers

smoky flame
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wouldn't say Windows 10 is great. It works but it could be better imo

full flint
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You use pro or home?
@smoky flame

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Pro is slightly better IMO
but not worth the extra price

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Or just buy Windows 7 then use the free upgrade offer lol

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If it's still active I mean

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I think it is
but do not get home premium...

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Why?

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Isn't it just advanced version of home basic?

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No it was limited to 16GB ram I think

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professional has more

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I think home premium support ended in 2015, professional in 2020, which is why you probably see every device with that OS...

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Yeah mainstream was 2015 extended 2020

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I see people either use Ultimate or Professional here

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And Starter if their PC is potato as hell like my old laptop lol

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Win 10 is 128 by default DANCE

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To my knowdelge 64 bit processors can adress up to 64 exabytes of RAM or something?

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Not that we need 64EB RAM but just asking

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Something like that
32-bit had a max of 4

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I remember 3,25

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I believe the professional version of windows 7 has more max ram capacity than the standard of windows 10...

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Also 10 Pro currently is 2TB
Yes they bumped it up

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Because of Mac Pro, in case of someone installing it Win 10

smoky flame
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Kronixio, I have Windows 10 Pro

full flint
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what in the world has Corsair been doing

ruby spear
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Drugs. That's what Corsair has been doing.

full flint
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I had a discussion on this case the other day

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Nobody is going to want this

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A chassis full of PC parts is heavy and dangerous to just be sliding around

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Somethings gonna break. Either the case or a water cooling tube or power cable or something

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hahahhahahahaha

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Idk if you looked into that case

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people want this

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It’s a chassis inside of a case

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Yes. I did

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It’s so dumb

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and a lot of people want it, despite that fact

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I love cougar cases

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But not this one

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My cougars xlr8liHeart

full flint
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@smoky flame
Nice

full flint
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for the PC portion of friends

ruby spear
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You got a Steam account, Sam? 😉

wary oriole
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Wow

plucky marsh
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Fine I'll buy it.

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17/17 reviews are negative. Good start.

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You're not getting out of it so easy though, Dark.

full flint
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Same lol

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I bought it immediately

cinder rune
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bruh apex legends muted me, you will accept me right? pls

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i just wanted to make a friend

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the story of my life

lean finch
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Grain of salt

plucky marsh
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Interesting that they use platform-agnostic but still not release it on xbox...

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But I suppose that doesn't technically include the xbox. It would just be nice.

smoky flame
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omg please be true. I'd buy Horizon Zero Dawn in a heartbeat

full flint
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Duh just release all gam... oh I forgot exclusives are only reason to buy PS lol

full flint
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and some japanese only ones

woeful wagon
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nice

oblique ingot
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oh

woeful wagon
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its making my ps4 pro purchase more of a mistake

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well if it does come to pc

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i will learn for the next generation

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wait till the end of the generation for the games to come to pc, and get them cheaper i assume

woeful wagon
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bonnie is no longer broken

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O_O

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i wonder how far i can get

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getting like 20-30 fps

full flint
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Both Horizon: Zero Dawn and Death Stranding use Guerrilla Games’ Decima Engine, and both are coming to PC either confirmed or rumor, doesn’t seem coincidental

ruby spear
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It could mean we see Until Dawn make it to PC as well, as that also uses the engine.

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And Man of Medan was multi-platform, so Supermassive may expand.

full flint
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Possibility of the newer killzone, but that game wasn’t as well received as the earlier ones

ruby spear
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Yeah, I was thinking that maybe they'll skip that one

full flint
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I personally hope they don’t.

ruby spear
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But who knows. Interest in PS4 exclusives on PC enough could carry it.

full flint
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Yeah

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That’s what I’m hoping

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If Sony finally uses PC as the neutral territory on the console competition, then I’m all for it

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PC as a neutral territory makes so much sense

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It’d also mean that Nintendo would be the holdouts on that same ideology. But they’ve always been a bit behind in terms of changing business practices, which isn’t always a bad thing.

ruby spear
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They would be too scared of piracy on PC

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It's rampant enough on their platforms as it is.

full flint
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That and it doesn’t use x86

full flint
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I genuinely hate msi

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I really wish I would’ve went with a different mobo brand

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Incredible

full flint
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Horizon on PC is a start, but Microsoft is still a long way ahead of PlayStation making a serious move to a platform agnostic future. Argue your games are worth more than slapping in a sub, sure, but the future is everyone being able to access great games wherever they pl...

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Horizon will be followed by others down the road - you don't need to Dream too hard to guess. But Xbox is already well-established launching games on PC at the same time, and eager to explore Switch...

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ruby spear
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With the capitalisation of 'Dream' in there, are they referring to Quantic Dream, which are already know about, or perhaps hinting at Dreams coming to PC?

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Because PC is a perfect platform for Dreams.

full flint
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I think that's what it's alluding to

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Quantic Dream doesn't have ties to sony anymore, and already announced they were coming to PC

ruby spear
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Yeah, that's what I thought, it's not much of a big reveal for news we already know about.

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Dreams on PC would be perfect, though. There's tons of modders and game makers on PC that they could make some amazing stuff.

full flint
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yeah

ruby spear
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What we're seeing from console users is already pretty amazing, so in the hands of experienced game makers and mod developers, that could turn into something quite special.

ruby spear
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While I've no interest in playing it myself, they need to get Bloodborne out on PC. They'll go nuts for that one and it will sell very well.

smoky flame
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I wonder if and when more playstation exclusive titles make there way to PC, presumably through the EGS if that will mean PC gamers who maybe already owned them digitally on PS4 could link their PS4 account and have a sort of cross save thing going on

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That talk of Horizon Zero Dawn coming to PC really has me excited. I might even be open to giving God of War another try if it too comes to PC. Maybe the extra performance PC can offer is what these games need to really shine

full flint
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Don't get your hopes up, the only reason Xbox games coming to Windows is they owned by same company. There is no way big games such as GOW and TLOU coming to PC. It's just... against the politics of PS

ruby spear
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We'll see.

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Sony said it themselves, they can't afford to get complacent.

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While not always 100% dead on, Jason Schreier has some pretty decent sources and tends to get a lot of info.

full flint
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Ofc, I'm more than ok the idea PC being a neutral area and get all exclusive stuff. But Sony can't convince PC users to buy a PS if that's the case

ruby spear
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Considering MS and Sony make a loss on the hardware, getting PC players on board for a handful of exclusives doesn't benefit them that much any way, Those people don't get invested in the subscriptions and stuff, they just want the exclusives.

So why try and focus on selling them a box that they make no money on when they can just sell them the games on another platform that they already have?

full flint
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Software and Subscriptions are where profit is made

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selling game software to an even larger market is a heavier profit margin

ruby spear
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Even more so if you can get a subscription out to a second market, like Microsoft did with PC Game Pass.

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If Sony get more of their games on PC, it will help them to push whatever their next streaming service is.

smoky flame
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reading all this gave me the biggest smile on my face in a while 😄 I like how it all sounds. The potential is most definitely there. Just the good old waiting game, which isn't so fun 😦

full flint
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Same lol, waiting however...

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Why there's no time skip

full flint
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It feels like horizon if true will be on epic store first...

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very doubtful

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the only case of an SIE game on EGS is ReadySet Heroes, and that was due to Robot Ent. having a deal before the game got picked up by sony

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Sony's 1st party games are AAA, EGS Exclusivity exempts AAA games

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which is why Death Stranding, Cyberpunk 2077, and others will release on there, as well as on other platforms

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What about detroit becone human?

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Quantic Dream detached from SIE entirely

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they're now multiplatform, and independent.

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ah

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thats the first I heard of that

autumn sluice
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Borderlands 3 is AAA...

full flint
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also rdr2 2 when it was egs exclusive

full flint
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@autumn sluice BL is more in the AA market

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RDR2 was never EGS exclusive

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it released on the Rockstar Launcher before either EGS a week later or Steam a month later.

autumn sluice
dense edge
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Howdy folks. Anyone know how to force a game to upload saves from one machine to the cloud? Cloud saves worked when I went from my desktop to my laptop for The Outer Worlds, but it's looking like it just refuses to go backwards.

full flint
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is the game services updated?

dense edge
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How can I check?

full flint
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open the microsoft store and check for any app updates

dense edge
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Game is the same version on both machines, updating the Xbox app on both now to be safe.

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...somehow doubt this will help, though, since cloud sync worked once already.

full flint
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game services isn't the game

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it's the core functions that allow XBL Connection

dense edge
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don't see any updates for that on either machine

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so I'm assuming it's up-to-date on both

dense edge
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I ended up just uploading the save file manually to onedrive and replacing it on my desktop 🤷‍♂️

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Is there any place I can file a bug report for this, though?

full flint
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feedback hub

dense edge
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Thanks, and sent.

lusty oak
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dark, why avoid MSI?

full flint
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@full flint can tell you all about that

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The poor soul made the mistake

lusty oak
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I've had a MSI mobo in my PC since I built it

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back in 2013

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should I replace it with something else?