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MSI Z390-A PRO Motherboard ATX, LGA1151, DDR4, LAN, USB 3.1 Gen2, Type-C, M.2, RGB Mystic Light, VGA, DVI-D, Display Port, Intel 8th and 9th Gen
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#pc-gaming
shadow anchor
is this good
642.02
rotund cargo
Lol thank you guys. @shadow anchor @full flint I might try pcpartpicker. I didn’t know it was a thing till you said something. Like I said I don’t know much about this stuff.
shadow anchor
Dark it does not have the gear I want
and anyways I am good with what I am going to get cuz my dad makes pcs and he says it is good
full flint
it has the gear you want, you just have to know how to navigate it
you can add parts from external sites
smoky flame
no budget you say? I could go mad with that 😄
apologies for the ping but do you use wifi or ethernet? @rotund cargo Throwing up a quick no budget build
some money can be saved if you don't need wifi as onboard or adding a wifi card adds more expense
woops, wrong user pinged. Too early for me on a Sunday but still down to talk pc stuff 😄
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hvq9Gc Here is a mock build. Haven't gone completely crazy with it. I'd say this is a reasonable build
full flint
Budget build thrown together this morning
Should do most modern games at 1080p60. $590
Could probably get 1080p100-120 if you play with the settings a little bit
Hmm you could fit a 1TB SSD somewhere...
@rotund cargo i9 9900KS (not sure about intel enthusiast cpu), 64GB DDR4 and RTX Titan or RTX 2080ti is a starting point...
smoky flame
I was about to get to that build, Kronixio but for the most part most of that would be beyond bonkers, especially if C Monkey is only starting out on PC
full flint
If you are in US intel 660p or crucial mx500 1TB are good, but on higher end builds... Otherwise just go for a 500GB SSD and upgrade later...
As for the UK I don’t know, my PC has a similar storage setup but I would get something else
3600, ditch some of the fans, and 1TB SSD
smoky flame
9900K still does great, paying extra on the 9900KS for not a lot of benefit. 64GB ram is way too much. I'd say go 32GB 3200MHz. 16GB for a gaming system is more than enough tbh and Titan RTX as far as I can tell doesn't perform well in games so better off with the 2080 Ti
full flint
But if you want the best of the best I think intel extreme platform is a choice too
smoky flame
Reason I put the 3600X in the reasonable build was upon looking at AMD's other Zen2 CPUs there wasn't really a great deal of extra performance to be had from 3600X to 3900X. Only additional cores which if we are talking a gaming only system, 6 cores right now seems to be the sweet spot
full flint
Ah for gaming the i9 9900k and 2080ti is fine, if you are doing gaming and streaming I would get more, or you can use NVENC, but that uses the gpu...
smoky flame
9900K and 2080 Ti builds are pretty much the best you'll get at this time
full flint
You also will need a monitor to support the card too, and even the 2080ti struggles 4K high refresh gaming
smoky flame
Big tip, don't buy into the 4K hype
full flint
With rtx off, in AAA games
Wait you are saying the £1000/$1000+ 2080ti is only a 1440p csrd?
smoky flame
4K is best left to movies. Gaming benefits from lower resolutions, especially competitive games if that's your thing
no, it is capable of 4K but at this time 4K monitors are a waste of money even if someone has a butt load of cash to burn
be spending as much, if not more than the cost of a 4K OLED TV if you really want a 4K 144Hz gaming monitor
full flint
I think that is with 4K hdr ones or 144hz, better just get 4K 60 for now, or 144p 165hz... But for singplayer games I would want a 1440p ultrawide
4K OLED tvs I believe are only from lg, sony etc, not samsung and so on... (Not sure why Samsung charge so much for their top end qleds)
smoky flame
yeah 1440p 144hz is the sweet spot for a 9900K + 2080 Ti system. Should easily be able to crank settings up to max and get nice FPS. Ultrawide and HDR are possible too but tax the system further
full flint
Honestly a PC bought in 2019 will not last as long as the PS5/Xbox two depemdijg on lifespan... Look back to a $400 PC bought in 2013 vs a PS4 and see if that will run read dead redemption 2... I find HDR and ultra settings to be nothing short of gimmicky, at least on PC... On console and a decent tv hdr looks surprinsly good
You can get an ultrawide 1440p hdr 10 100hz monitor for around £620 now
no hdr is £100 less
smoky flame
I wouldn't be so sure on that. If one has no budget and can go all out of a system that system could very well compete with the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett for the duration of that generation. Though at this point I'd wait and go one even better when Nvidia launch their Ampere GPUs some time in 2020. Going by rumours H1 2020, will be 7nm so will launch before PS5 and Xbox Scarlett even get their E3 spotlight
smoky flame
thing is consoles can't be compared to GPUs properly. If they were from what I have seen people attempting to compare them to, the 680 or 780 Ti would wipe the floor with them
full flint
But yes a $400 PC bought in 2013 will be dominated by a PS4, which was the same price... I don’t think you see people using non-ryzen apus, celerons and radeon hd 7000 series graphics in 2019
smoky flame
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-4-gpu.c2085 not sure how accurate but base PS4 is roughly 95% weaker than a 680 and 200% weaker than a 780 Ti. Claims to be on par with an RX 550
full flint
I was talking in games, console optmisation is a thing too... I will do 1080p 30fps in rdr2 from what I gather
smoky flame
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/playstation-4-pro-gpu.c2876 PS4 Pro is much better though. 16% faster than a 680 but still 29% slower than a 780 Ti
yeah, there is that
full flint
Yeah the ps4 does 1080p 30fps in rdr2, and if you bought it for $400 day one back in 2013 I would say it is pretty good value... With new PC games being idential price to console releases nowadays
Just an example but I assume cyberpunk 2077 and death stranding will be similar
smoky flame
just for one more comparison when we talk current gen consoles vs 680 and 780 Ti. Xbox One X is the only console to beat both the 680 and 780 Ti and the margin isn't even all that impressive. 10% https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/xbox-one-x-gpu.c2977
full flint
In terms of theorectical performance, not real world.... It is like comparimg an iPhone chip to a snapdragon or intek cpu in geekbench
smoky flame
gives some idea though
full flint
In theory the rx 580 does worse than xbox one x and 1060 6GB better, but from what I have seen in newer games, the rx 580 destroys the 1060... Userbenchmark might give better real world performance, but I am not too sure...
Probably depends on the game
I have a 1060 6GB myself, my next upgrade will likely be ampere since I am stuck with a 1080p 144hz monitor... If I were to get a decent graphics card I would have to upgrade both the monitor and graphics card... Think a 4K TV and PS5 would cost less money upfront, but we will see
smoky flame
most likely. I see people comparing the 5700 XT and 1080 Ti and it can depend on the game with them. Thing that gets me is the 1080 Ti is over two years old and AMD, as of right now cannot beat it outright
full flint
Yeah that card is really solid, although the 2080 super is what the 2080 should have been
we did also have a gap with the 1000 series and 2000 series
full flint
Common excuse of AMD fanboys and fangirls: AMD cards will eventually show it's performance after years. Personally, future is important for me but I prefer to look today
As a person who targets 1080P/30FPS, 2080Ti is more than enough
(Yes I've tested 4K and 144/240hz monitors btw)
smoky flame
My target is 1080p/144fps at maxed settings. Most games won't reach that but it is the target for a reason. 1080p/60 fps again at maxed settings is the minimum I expect from games I play. Occasional fps drops below 60 I'm fine with but if it drops too often said game won't last since I put it down to poor optimisation
full flint
I don't think I've ever seen a single person argue AMD showing its performance later
people don't purchase AMD for raw performance, they purchase AMD for the balance of both performance and cost
full flint
@smoky flame I think that is nearly impossible, especially on games using rtx...
@full flint Before ryzen and rx 500 series Intel + Nvidia was the way to go, now you see some getting Ryzen and Nvidia GPUs
Sure the 2080ti may do 144hz 1080p max settings, but honestly if you are getting it for that resolution, it is a waste of money imo. Yet people are also expecting the card to do 4K ultra, which is even more demanding...
I would take a 1440p 100hz monitor with a game at high settings and ultra textures for a balance of everything
and an inclusion of game compatibility issues
You can run some games with black bars
Even older games won’t work on 1080p monitor let alone 1440p
changing aspect ratios does not add black bars, it stretches the game
playing at 1600p for a few years taught me that all too well
or was it 1800. it's been so long now
ah, 1800
You can also do more than just gaming on an ultrawide monitor if you wanted... Or have a two monitor setup, but not many people do that (like swap out the monitor accordingly)
According to the steam survey the most popular gpu is still the 1060, resolution 1080p... I asusme some internet cafes have a part in this but not many game at more demanding resolutions
empty epoch
hey dose anyone play scrap mechanic?
full flint
Uh
The 2080ti can definetly do 4k60
And depending on the game you can hit up in the high hundreds
When I played siege I used almost max settings and played at 4k180
Or rather that’s what I could do, I used vsync most of the time because my game stuttered when uncapped
rotund cargo
Wow y’all sound like you know what ur talking about lmao
full flint
I am talking about in AAA games, not competitive games like siege
I know the 2080ti can do 4K but not in all games, at max settings with 60fps+... Not sure if it will manage that with future games either
Siege is an easy game to run anyway, a rx 570 could get over 100 fps depending on settings
full flint
I think RDR2 is the first game I’ve seen make it unable to do 4k60 max, and even then, you can do it if you turn off anti aliasing (which you don’t really need in the first place)
Even the wonky built borderlands 3 does over 60 in absolute max.
Really if you turn off anti aliasing in any game you’ll get over 4k60.
I used to play 4k60 with it before I went to 1080p240
full flint
AC odyssey? Gets around 60fps but it is not always consistent... Or any game with rtx...
full flint
Well if you have RTX on yeah
I don’t use RTX. I’m waiting for Ampere cards to dive into that.
Ah fair enough. Also waitig for ampere too, rtx 2160 or rtx 3060... Might go for the 70 card depending on price
They’re jumping architecture big time so it’s not gonna be 2100 series. There’s no way
I wonder what will come after 1600 series
They just came out with the supers and they’re very nice cards. They’ll probably be around for 2 years
full flint
I hope this won’t be like the jump from 1000 series to 2000 series
in terms of time to release the cards
plucky marsh
My bro can only run Siege at 30fps gtx 750 TI
full flint
What settings and resolution?
full flint
I won’t be too upset if they decide to jump generations already
I’ll just sell my 2080ti and buy whatever top model they offer.
plucky marsh
Lowest settings, can't remember resolution. Not great though
full flint
I don’t mind spending for performance. Especially when the 2080ti is starting to meet its match
smoky flame
on nvidia there is a way RTX's demand can be brought down. Haven't seen any videos on it on Youtube yet but the nvidia image sharpening (and optional GPU Upscaling) settings when enabled could have someone go maxed settings + RTX max on games like Metro Exodus on something like a 2080 Ti and instead of playing at 1440p they could reduce the in game resolution to 1080p (or lower still) and have the GPU apply upscaling and some sharpening too. Should give some performance gain
sorry for the huge wall of text there 😄
I've tried what I mentioned above on my 1080 Ti on Metro Exodus. DirectX 12 enabled, RTX maxed and ensure all other setting were at max too and fps was almost playable (not quite to my acceptable 60fps minimum). Natively my monitor is 1080p, 144hz but I set in game res to 720p. All I will say is RIP DLSS
full flint
You’re not gonna get good performance on RTX. Ever
The hardware accelerated tracking/tracing is brand new with Turing. The performance hit is huge. That’s not the game’s fault. That’s not games getting more demanding. That’s RTX.
Rumor has it rasterization and ray tracing are their 2 biggest focus points with Ampere, so this should hopefully not be the case in the future.
Even on nvidia control panel setting it to performance wont do amything?
smoky flame
I went and tried all that again and Metro Exodus was playable! On the Volga level the open snowy part of the map was getting up to 80 fps though it tanked to 50 fps or less in more closed spaces. The same settings but with DirectX 12 and Ray tracing disabled I get up to 144 fps so yeah, it is a huge hit on a non-RTX card but at least "playable"
full flint
It’s a huge hit even on RTX cards
4k60 turns into 4k30
All that for what is essentially fancy lighting? (but real time).
hazy cape
lighting makes a huge difference tbh
a lot of the difference between games that look poor and games that don't comes down to lighting tech and design
full flint
IMO sometimes a game may be more atmospheric if it has some shadows compared to a well lit environement
When you go from projecting a cube to giga-ray work it’s gonna be more intensive
You’re not just taking shadows and going one step up above max. You’re changing how the game renders light itself.
But in terms of reflections it makes sense, although I don’t see why you would have a reflection indoors, and with the lights off
Because it’s more than you think
hazy cape
shadows are part of the lighting system, but especially with raytracing, shadows are a direct consequence of the lighting :)
full flint
I did watch the nvidia 2080ti stream and I got confused
Color is a huge factor to ray tracing. Not just shadows
only thing I remember was “it just works”
So think of this
smoky flame
thing is not all games that use Nvidia's RTX or ray tracing for the more generic term don't all use the full array of features. Probably for good reason but if I'm correct in saying Metro Exodus does use global illumination - said to be one of the most demanding types of ray tracing
hazy cape
it just means if there is a light source in the scene, it will automatically cast realistic lighting. there's no lighting design necessary beyond that
(if they are using only raytracing, which isn't that common yet)
full flint
You have a small empty room with white walls. The carpet is bright red. In real life you’ll see the bottom of the walls having a red tint to them because the red is reflecting off the carpet onto the walls. Ray tracing steps into realism like this with reflections and refractions, not just shadows.
Basically
Everything reflects onto everything
Instead of just taking a cube map and using it for reflections like games have been doing for a decade and longer
Do you also need a light source? What if it was a dark room for example, or a dimly lit one?
Well if there’s no light source everything would be black lol
What I’m trying to say is it’s not just fancy lights and shadows. With ray tracing it’s millions of little light calculations being done in real time.
If there’s a red light, it’s gonna make the brown cabinet a maroon color, which will look darker on the ceiling, which will make the room darker overall, etc etc etc
smoky flame
wonder how different the whole lighting addition for devs is using ray tracing over the standard method is. Like is it more time consuming or is there like some preset ray tracing templates that devs use to save time? 🤔
full flint
Whats that thing called which uses captured photos for games? And is it possible to use AI to make stuff like rtx and everything else better?
Captured photos is cube map
Basically
Unless you’re talking about screen space reflections, but that doesn’t use pictures
I think it was something else entirely, forgot what it was
ah photogammetry
I don’t think that has to do with reflections, that’s moreso accurate mapping (?)
Cube map is how most reflections are done in video games
Ever notice how you look into a scope, turn, and you can pan around your whole area’s reflection but you never see yourself or any people or small objects?
It’s using a cube map
Or with some games the scope’s reflection doesn’t even look like the place you’re in
full flint
Oh photogammetry is rendering or something else...
Anyway rtx + AI + neural engine would be amazing, not sure when that is coming though, or if it exists already
full flint
Probably with whatever TITAN ampere introduces
Neural engines don’t have much application in gaming because it’s all for machine learning stuff like autocorrect habits or unlocking your phone with your face
full flint
Digital Foundry finally did a video on RDR2 PC
full flint
Apparently the Xbox One X settings for RDR2 is the same as low on PC...
wow
That explains why RDR 2 wants really good system configuration
I already figured it'd be insanely higher on high/ultra
but low = xb1x settings? that was unexpected
really futureproofing that game for sure
According to digital foundry
I expect we'll see better visuals on Scarlett and PS5 for sure then
Nvm there is a screenshot, found in this article
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-what-does-it-take-to-run-red-dead-redemption-2-at-60fps
Scarlett version (if R* applies an enhancement patch): PC High-Ultra?
probably not that either honestly
it's such a demanding game
Ultra at what resolution? I doubt this will happen considering the 2080ti struggles at 4K
even by PC standards
From what I misinterpreted some of the Xbox One X’s settings are low and lower thsn low PC equivalents, not stuff like texture detail, and geometry level of detial (which is on ultra PC equivalent) while some features like FXAA, MSAA are nowhere to be found.
lime mauve
Note: Some of Xbox One X's effects appear to be hybrid versions of low and medium, or medium and high - From the article. So it is a mixed bag, but considering the CPU from this gen was outdated when it launched I'm surprised it runs as well as it does on X.
full flint
console optimization's no joke
unreal frost
Ik
I wish they would do that for pc
Like making 1050ti on the xbox run at 4k 30 and then duplicating the frame to make it look like a smooth 60
That is on the xbox one x
full flint
duplicating the frame wouldn't be a good idea as fabricated interpolation can cause significant latency issues
full flint
I think the X is 4K 30
smoky flame
has there been any in depth performance reviews on RDR2 and how each of the graphics settings impact performance? Whenever I do get the chance to get RDR2 I hope to play at maxed settings on 1080p with my system and achieve no less than 60fps
full flint
digital foundry has one, hardware unboxed has part 1 of one
smoky flame
worst case scenario I use the nvidia upscale + sharpen feature. 720p will mean I regain some performance and it may just be enough to get the game to a point where it is (in my eyes) playable
full flint
I think the game has a render resolution scale, and there are ‘optimal’ settijgs which is basicially a mix of high and medium + ultra textures
That will yield 60fps at 1080p on something like rx 570 or rx 580
But max? I am not sure
broken link again
smoky flame
Watching the hardware unboxed video. So far performance hit isn't as bad as I thought
full flint
thats the digital foundry one btw
smoky flame
omg lighting quality night hits heavy 😮
reflection quality too! Those two settings alone low to ultra looks like I'll be losing over 60% performance 😱
definitely won't be enabling MSAA. FXAA or TAA will have to do
full flint
I think digital foundry has the exact settings which will give you xbox one x visuals (linked in both eurogamer article and videos)
I think far too many people expect to max out the settings in games and get high framerates with their video cards, that is where the problem lies... Some of the comments in the eurogamer article also agree
smoky flame
well it can be done, maxed settings and high framerate gaming. One needs a very powerful rig to achieve that on some of the newer titles though and I'd go as far as saying if you want to target said settings best forget 4K exists as no GPU could handle 4K maxed settings and high framerates. 1080p and 1440p the way to go
Personally until 1080p meets the same fate as standard definition I don't see myself upping my monitor resolution any time soon. PC specs could go quantum for all I care but as long as 1080p remains relevant in gaming I see no reason to spend more on a screen that ends up makes things more difficult when running games at the settings I want
full flint
SLI TITAN RTX HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
barren knot
After going to 1440p and 4k I don't want to go back to 1080p
Images are just noticeably crisper.
full flint
SLI titan rtx is not a single GPU, and I beleive RTX uses Nvlink...
Same concept
It’s a bridge
One just superseded the other
I don’t think the Dual Titan RTX will use the full performance either, as games don’t scale well and most motherboards only have one PCIe 3.0 x16 slot...
Unless Nvlink does something I am unaware of
warm ice
is there a support channel here?
Windows GameBar had the option to broadcast, it's missing now... how to re-enable it
thorny cypress
full flint
Seemed like a 180 decision until I read the whole thing
full flint
Does anyone know if on Steam on Windows 10 you can install games without administrator or do you need an Admin account to install games? Like having a standard user be able to install and play steam games on windows 10... (Not sure if this can be done for microsoft store games too)
full flint
steam installs as an administrator-level application
Ok but what about the games once you have installed steam? (And have DirectX and all the redistrutables)
That works the same or slightly different?
smoky flame
woo got to love new updates. Looks like Windows 10 November update (1909?) is available as is Nvidia 441.20
full flint
Will update windows 10 later, nvidia I will probably do soon
smoky flame
Some news on Intel and more security vulnerabilities...
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-will-be-addressing-77-security-vulnerabilities-this-month.html
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-‘zombieload’-variant-flaw-hits-intel-cascade-lake-processors.html
smoky flame
yup
full flint
-sighs-
smoky flame
Makes me want to move to AMD and upgrade my CPU tbh. Lost all confidence in Intel. Sure, the vulnerabilities may not likely affect me but the fact they are there worries me. Worse yet, patches could result in yet more performance loss
full flint
AMD's been making some pretty bad moves lately marketing wise
5700X was marketed at NVIDIA Prices, ultimately dropped down to normal prices, then discontinued
their upcoming entry level threadripper 3 is $1,400
their higher tier one is $1,999
no gaming benchmarks
smoky flame
wait 5700 XT discontinued already?
full flint
marketed ENTIRELY to "Intense Creation"
yep
they aren't distributing to AIB anymore
smoky flame
wow
full flint
so they can introduce another card in the original price range they wanted to sell it at
fun-fact, it's not the 5800X either
that's likely coming later, if at all
AMD's pulling Intel/NVIDIA marketing moves in the realm that they have no footing
smoky flame
tbh Threadripper 3 is to go further than even Intel's Cascade Lake in terms of CPU core count right?
full flint
they have a new socket
meant for future scalability
but
just...idk
they're marking complacency about their largest demographic
zero marketing on threadripper 3 to gamers
entirely mentions "content creation"
it's like Xbox One with the "TV/Sports/Video" thing
smoky flame
Won't be surprised if AMD start to see that their CPUs not being so vulnerable, unlike Intel CPUs means they could charge a premium - on top of the superior core count over rival CPUs
full flint
yes, but those are prices that aren't fitting
they're too new in the power market
2k for the 3970X
why not just go for that one EPYC chip
that has like
64 or so cores
it's only 4k more
smoky flame
oh yeah, now I see what you are getting to
full flint
which is significant when it's nearly 10,000
it's like a $7,500 chip
how much do they plan to mark a ryzen 3990 or such at?
2500? 3k?
smoky flame
plus we are only talking 3970X. AMD probably going to launch the real monsters later. 3980X and 3990WX? Bet the WX will be like $4K
Could be early bird prices then AMD drop those prices after the announcement and release of the other two CPUs I mentioned
smoky flame
Looked online to see about 5700 XT being discontinued and only thing I found was talk about AMD discontinuing their reference cards. AIB partners are unaffected
full flint
I don’t think threadripper is even meant for gamers, like intel extreme platform...
It’s not
Only thing even close to gaming that could actually utilize that much CPU headroom is heavy duty streaming + recording
We talking streaming at 4K? Also doesn’t stuff like NVENC exist?
There’s more to streaming than just resolution
You can make an i9 9900k cry if you learn advanced stuff
Like bitrate and those layers and whatnot? But I find it uneccessary if people are only going to watch on a mobile device or something like that, unless you are playing esports...
lament cipher
there's also... well... badly-written games
or stuff that was designed for single-thread processors and didn't really scale >.>
full flint
That’s not really related but there’s a big factor called x264 preset, which you can continuously lower to provide better video encoding at exponential cpu demand increases. There’s a reason big streamers put X series and threadrippers in dedicated streaming PCs
You know NVENC also exists? Why don’t people use that?
I know- trust me.
NVENC is entering based on what GPU it’s running through, and is also non-adjustable beyond the standard “quality”, “max quality”, etc etc
X264 can exceed NVENC encoding quality. NVENC has a set limit while X264 can be turned up to the point where modern top of the line CPUs fry.
They should support stuff like x265 if that is even a thing, or intel quicksync for steeaming or whatever else they use...
X264 can be custom tuned if you learn the coding.
There’s no need to support others because x264 is pretty much the universal standard
I would if it means better performance on lower hardware or something else like that...
The encoding method isn’t what determines that
The encoding method dictates what happens. The computer parts do all the work. If your cpu can’t handle a ton of lossless keyframes at the same time, then it can’t handle that. Changing encoding methods won’t change that.
You also need good upload for streaming games too right? I believe I have seen people stream some games from a laptop (on twitch) or even some games from their smartphone (on youtube). Not sure how mixer would handle streaming though
“Good” is opinion based
From my perspective, you only need 10mbps up to maintain the top possible quality stream with good overhead. If it’s mixer you’ll want 15-20 for top quality.
Yeah I get nowhere near that... I think I cap around 9. Also I think gamers nexus made a video a while ago about streaming with obs, will watch it too...
Your streams bitrate is basically what it pulls from your upload
You can do a top quality with 9
Well not for mixer
You can still get a good quality stream with 6000kbps, it just won’t look amazing like all the mixer parters with their 10,000kbps stream
6000 is the max for twitch and they’re all fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
My upload is 13.5 my bad but that is to a UK seever. not sure how much it would be for a different one... Also everyone uses OBS right?
It’s preference
I use streamlabs, which is basically simplified OBS
It’s built on top of OBS
Some people use stream elements
Or the elgato capture/stream software
oh thats what i mean i think streamlabs and obs is the same thing now
It’s not
OBS is OBS
or is it streamlabsobs
It’s called streamlabs
But you’ll see Streamlabs OBS/SLOBS a lot because it’s basically a user friendly interface built on top of OBS
https://streamlabs.com/streamlabs-obs
like this one?
Yeah
When you run streamlabs on your computer, you’re actually running streamlabs + OBS
Streamlabs is only like an extra 1-4% depending on your CPU
full flint
AMD Ryzen 9 3950x benchmarks are out I think
full flint
Yeah they are out
smoky flame
Just by playing the new Fallen Order game and it is really good. Visually stunning and plays pretty well
obsidian bobcatBOT
@crimson cargo
From: Xbox
full flint
@crimson cargo nice one
crimson cargo
it may have been a nice one but it certainly wasnt a friendly one
untold tartan
anyone wonna play cod mw new one kids only tho
ruby spear
Please keep it to #587074461770186765
And specifying kids only sounds really sketchy, gotta be honest.
full flint
@tribal finch we don't allow self promotion or advertisements here
full flint
Hello
vast rampart
hello
strong quiver
Does anyone play nfs heat
ember venture
Does anyone knows how to connect the elite 2 via bluetooth to a PC?
modest gulch
Guess you'll want to clean up the language.
obsidian bobcatBOT
modest gulch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wicked hearth
bruh moment
smoky flame
why the emotes spam?
full flint
yes, please stop spamming emoji
full flint
ツ
that also includes kana
and other emoticons
who is kana
the japanese alphabets are referred to as kana
ツ is a kana
dusty vector
Oh my god, I just realized why people keep sticking “tsu” everywhere, it’s a smiley, isn’t it
(Is dum)
keen verge
shadow anchor
I need help on something pls help me on community support someone
obsidian bobcatBOT
full flint
how do i get my series 2 elite controller to work on my pc??
ruby spear
Plug it in, or sync it via bluetooth if your PC has it
full flint
ok
full flint
who wants to play flee the facility on roblox
long glade
strong walrus
anyone have any game suggestions for roblox
frigid pasture
full flint
@frigid pasture id say custom build.
8gb of memory gets stretched dangerously thin nowadays
And i5s cap out pretty quickly
ruby spear
😄
full flint
people could just save the trouble by reading rules first
obsidian bobcatBOT
funny_boy#0477 has been banned.
ruby spear
Not even going with warnings for that one.
left heart
I play PC
atomic hound
Yeet iPad is better
full flint
No platform wars @atomic hound
obsidian bobcatBOT
atomic hound
Ok
strong walrus
any want to play MM2 on Roblox
strong walrus
full flint
I'll get a PC soon and i wanted to ask what you need?
full flint
@full flint Parts or something else? If you are getting the PC make sure to get some form of wifi adapter, monitor, keyboard and mouse...
If talking parts:
CPU
RAM
Motherboard
Solid State Drive/Hard Disk Drive
GPU (Designed for gaming)
Power Supply
Cables
Case
Copy of Windows
Anything else is optional, but pcpartpicker.com is a good site to check for compatibility...
Thank you
There are also sites like logical increments and hardware revolution to help pick parts based on your budget (how much you are willing to pay)
smoky flame
what sort of budget do you have to work with?
old trail
a
tough latch
@full flint if you need to help looking for a good PC I gotchu, dm me if you need me to help pick you out a pc.
I know all the stuff, CPU, GPU, Ram, Cables, motherboard, disk drive, etc.
strong walrus
any want to play mm2 on roblox
ruby spear
Try in #587074461770186765
full flint
@smoky flame idk if you saw, but AMD's basically pulling another Radeon 5700X
this time instead of being an NVIDIA, they're trying to pull an intel
smoky flame
Don't think I have seen this, no 🤔
full flint
the Entry Level Threadripper 3
is $1,400
none of them are marketed towards games
"Intense content creation" is literally AMD's own words
smoky flame
of course not
smoky flame
Could even say the 3900X and 3950X are a bit excessive for gamers just now
Threadripper is a whole different kettle of fish again
full flint
threadripper was originally the content creator AND gamer's sweet spot
3950X is still behind Intel in terms of game performance on single-thread
but either way you cut it
smoky flame
now it is workstation for Threadripper right? 8 cores and beyond I'd say is gamer + content creator realm
full flint
this is ridiculous for their main market point
for workstation AMD has their EPYC line
they're alienating the original market point that threadripper hit
smoky flame
oh yeah. So what falls under the "intense content creation" bracket then?
smoky flame
now I see what you are getting at about the poor marketing. At first I wasn't too sure what you were on about
The cache on both those CPUs though. That's huge! 😮
smoky flame
tbh though in terms of strictly gaming just now. 6 cores and 12 threads seems the sweet spot for recent games that make use of multithreading. Gaming + content creation users I guess could make use of up to 16 cores and 32 threads though I do think 8 cores will be enough for most. I wouldn't know though
full flint
the thing is, TR3 is supposed to be the ones with the higher single-core performance for games
the one that finally crushes Intel in that regard
Speaking about specs,mine is GTX 1080 SLI,32 gigs of DDR4 RAMs and i7 Kabylake.
Been with this rig for 2 years now.
don't randomly and/or actively attempt to divert or derail an ongoing conversation
you can ask, but don't try to shift
it's extraordinarily rude
That's not what i meant but sure.
smoky flame
Well yeah. I have no idea what AMD are thinking. Crazier still there is no word on the 3980 or 3990. How on earth are they going to market them? if they even exist and what sort of user needs access to what looks like it could be up to 64 cores and 128 threads? AMD have messed up badly here is what I can gather
full flint
it's just an Rx 5700 again
they originally announced it for $320-350
then dropped the price to the 200s after backlash due to comparability to the NVIDIA Card
smoky flame
I didn't think AMD would be trying stuff like that. They were keeping prices reasonable for so long 😦
full flint
it gets worse technically
because they wanted to mark it at 330+
they're introducing a new GPU they can slot there
but not just that, they discontinued distribution of the 5700's to AIBs
smoky flame
that's 5700 pricing though no?
full flint
so effectively discontinued, and the only ones left will be the 330+ model
they're artificially inflating the prices
smoky flame
strange stuff this. Confusing me too. AMD need to sort this out. This was their chance to really take the market to nvidia and it looks like they have blown their chance
full flint
here, hold on.
smoky flame
Nvidia lining up Ampere next year and AMD likely having no response has me worry Nvidia will keep the high prices after all
full flint
NVIDIA will always keep the prices high if they can
smoky flame
Just by trying Red Dead Redemption 2 with Hardware Unboxed settings. Still looks really nice and better yet, it performed really well. I think this may be the beginning of me not gaming at maxed settings on PC
full flint
expect that trend to continue the more and more studios use photogrammetry
wicked hearth
Should I get a GTX 1060?
full flint
honestly no
I have one and the way games are going, it'll be obsolete in 2 years
if that
smoky flame
Main reason I opted to play maxed settings originally was silly reasons tbh. Back when I built my PC in 2016 I pretty much made it my goal to play every game at maxed settings and expected fps to be equal to or greater than what consoles could achieve
wicked hearth
Is amd better?
full flint
subjective. in terms of sheer performance? no
smoky flame
In terms of pure performance Nvidia GPUs are better but AMD is worth considering
full flint
@wicked hearth I have a 1060 6GB you would be better off with a rx 580 as a budget card or maybe 1660 super or 1660ti
smoky flame
Went and applied Hardware Unboxed's settings in another game. The Division 2 and fps went up by quite a bit. Previously, at maxed settings I'd get around mid-high 60's in fps after exiting the White House to the Left. Got over 100 fps after sorting the new settings. Very impressed now. Could get used to this
full flint
What resolution? @smoky flame
Also what are the hardware unboxed settings?
smoky flame
1080p. Here's the link to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekZQcGK3Prw at about 15:55 is the summary of the settings. I used HUB Quality
full flint
Ah best of performance and visual quality
soft niche
hello anyone know how to connect xbox game pass pc to steam
full flint
Game pass is only for the windows store
ivory crest
that vid is in 4k
obtuse mauve
hollow plover
Hello gamers
reef lodge
Hello gamer.
wicked hearth
Should I buy a Mac and put a 2080 ti in it?
dreamy quiver
why
full flint
How is that possible?
drifting quest
joe
untold tartan
cod mw anybody
full flint
@wicked hearth Even if you did do that newer versions of MacOS and Nvidia cards do not work together
@full flint that's not true at all
macOS supports newer NVIDIA GPUs as well
Is that Mojave and Catalina? Or are we talking high sierra etc
all newer ones
they ship with eGPU support
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208544
no mention of Nvidia cards anywhere here
they support NVIDIA cards. apple still distributes NVIDIA drivers as well
Source?
the fact I have a mac and NVIDIA card?
Which mac and which card?
I have a 1070 plugged into an eGPU chip on a late 2015 MBP
Yeah the 1070 will work fine assuming you have something like high sierra for example...
a colleague of mine runs a 2080 super on a 2018 imac
But something like a rtx card and mojave will not work
smoky flame
Sounds to me like gaming on a mac is a whole lot of trouble
full flint
it's not as hard as you think
mac doesn't officially support eGPU on bootcamp either
but you can set that up fine
benefits of it being a unix-based system
You can use windows on mac with egpu but not native MacOS support on newer gpus as far as I am aware...
apple does not support eGPU on bootcamp
you have to bypass the setup
There aee probably workarounds to getting it to work but certainly not native support
It's safer and easier to do a workaround on mac than it is on bootcamp
that's for certain
smoky flame
I have so much to learn about MacOS 😦
uncut moat
THERES A SNAKE IN MAH BOOT
obsidian bobcatBOT
ruby spear
You had enough warnings about spamming and have contributed nothing else since joining. Take a break.
full flint
@smoky flame Yeah same here and I own one...
(But have never tried anything since it is not that powerful)
full flint
yo can you use a desktop power supply for a laptop
is that possible
no. well. not safely
ah
full flint
starting price $1500
I'm still going to wait for the 3080 series
the 2080's just not there. as we discussed the other day Sub
Ampere should be promising
So basicially ampere? Hopefully it launches earlier in the year but my guess will be August or summer 2019...
I said ampere 
Did not read the last line
lofty charm
Do you all like the FE cards?
full flint
But will it be as good as the jump from 900 mobile to 1000 mobile?
@lofty charm Only the rtx ones
lofty charm
i guess thats what i'm asking.. is it worth the extra money for the FE
I currently have a RTX 2080 XC
thinking bout stepping to the TI
lofty charm
yeah i think so
full flint
Is the XC the EVGA one?
full flint
Never satisfied? You probably won’t be satisfied even with a 2080ti because to play AAA games at 4K and high refresh or 60fps at high detail settings you probably will need to upgrade every year...
well...that's kinda logical
2080Ti's not capable of playing every AAA game at 4k@60
it's only marginally better than the 1080Ti after all
smoky flame
the performance increase was never really there with Turing. I'll definitely be waiting to see what Ampere brings. Though I'm not sure what would be considered an upgrade big enough to ditch my 1080 Ti
full flint
keep an eye on ampere for that one
lofty charm
i went from a gtx1080 to the rtx 2080
full flint
would you really say it was worth?
full flint
yeah. a 1080 to 3080 would be a more valued bump
lofty charm
small boost in performance
full flint
the issue is there's only 5 games that use RT cores on it
some games with Ray Tracing don't even make use of them, they use DXR instead
Even tech deals himself said if you want 4K 60fps high for the next 3 years for AAA games nothing is worth it, not even a 2080ti (you would be buying a card every year)
yep
unless you went with a titan
lofty charm
yeah and I game on a 4k TV mostly
lofty charm
i'm not paying the titan price
and at this point don't have the cpu for it
running a 7700k at 4.9ghz
full flint
it's more mobo than CPU
Rtx titan is probably the only card, and the quadros are not meant for gaming even though they can...
Also with next-gen consoles coming out we will have to see if navi 2 is as good as it is otherwise we will be stuck with slow upgrades in gpu hardware
titan's aren't meant for gaming either
low-end quadros don't perform as well as an actual gaming-optimized card or titan
but the high end quadros are good for everything
like that rtx one? The 5000 or whatever. It is really expensive though
smoky flame
I hope Nvidia sort out their GPU naming a little. No need for all the GPUs they have launched lately imo
smoky flame
not worth it
full flint
no
lofty charm
lol
full flint
save up for ampere.
lofty charm
deal
full flint
The rtx quadro 8000 is more than twice the price of my setup...
maybe 3 times even
it's also a 7-10 year card
smoky flame
Looks like I will definitely be eying up the 3080 Ti
lofty charm
does the quadro work with gaming drivers
full flint
Aren’t the higher end quadros meant for deep learning etc though?
@lofty charm I would stick to whatever the next 80ti card is
quadros have their own drivers
smoky flame
I might even need a new CPU to maximise just how good Ampere may be
full flint
if they keep it up they're probably going to do a Super line for ampere GPUs
lofty charm
i know i'ma have to step up
smoky flame
I'm on a 6700K. Planning to upgrade but that plan may be put into full swing real soon
full flint
funny though
out of all of those
the 1070 is the most powerful
Intel 10th gen naming is confusing from what I have seen (mobile side).
1070 Founders Ed.
Titan X Maxwell
970
1060 3GB
Titan X is from 2014 or 2015 right?
smoky flame
1070 is on par with a 980 Ti so the Titan X Maxwell is slightly better than the 1070 though may vary
full flint
oh the titan x is from 2016? must be thinking of something else then...
2015
the pascal model was 2016
Ah there is 2 variants
yep. it's
dumb
Yeah they should have just had the Xp
smoky flame
see, had Pascal to Turing offered similar performance increases to how Maxwell to Pascal did (on top of the RTX features) I think they would be monstrous GPUs and very likely would have justified their prices tags more than how Turing turned out
smoky flame
fingers crossed. If that is the case I expect to see something like a 40% improvement between the 2080 Ti and 3080 Ti
stack that on top of the differences between the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti (30% was it?) and my next upgrade could be real nice!
full flint
honestly. even in that department
I'm expecting a 40-50% bump in RT performance and DLSS performance
smoky flame
I think DLSS is dead
full flint
it's not. it's just basically a turing-only tech
Whats the AI-enhanced upscaling in the new nvidia shield tv pro then?
smoky flame
Nvidia added image sharpening and GPU upscaling. Tried to get it to work on my GPU but I don't think I ever got it right but how it should work is user enables image sharpening globally and ticks GPU scaling then I believe in game, user would set the resolution to one of the scaling options and from there it would apply a sharpening
Some say it is just like making use of games that have an in game resolution scale where resolution itself is set to 1080p (for example) and the scale option could then downscale or upscale by so much
full flint
I’m more interested in integer scaling for retro games or whatever it was called
smoky flame
Heard Halo MCC is capped to 60 fps is this true? Had hoped framerate would be uncapped but I can understand if there is problems with having an uncapped framerate. Some games can be like that
full flint
Halo reach at launch, not sure about the others
smoky flame
ahh
full flint
All of the games except 2 Anniversary were designed with the xbox 360 in mind anyway, and even the Xbox One version of all the games only supports up to 60fps (Console MCC)
I would check halowaypoint for updates though
smoky flame
I'll do that, thanks. Haven't really bothered keeping up to date with it until now tbh. Almost time to see Halo make it to PC. So hyped 🙂
wicked hearth
Who's better, Nvidia or amd?
smoky flame
for pure gaming performance nvidia usually come out top but AMD GPUs are worth considering especially if on a budget
wicked hearth
Alright
full flint
@wicked hearth Nvidia for performance amd for price
wicked hearth
Should i get an external storage drive or get an SSD?
smoky flame
SSD, they are pretty cheap these days. Don't need one too big. SSD + HDD still does well to this day
wicked hearth
I found a 1 hundred dollar one with 1 tb is that worth it?
smoky flame
Pretty good price though with the size of games I'd go SSD + HDD. Small SSD, something like 250GB would be more than enough for the operating system, game launchers etc and a 2TB HDD basically gets you far more storage for your money
wicked hearth
I have a 1tb hardrive already filled
But I'll look into it
Turns out I have a 128 gb ssd
smoky flame
I play some Xbox play anywhere titles on PC, yeah
wicked hearth
I have an Xbox and I'll play state of decay 2 and stuff on pc
strange needle
@smoky flame dms
smoky flame
nice, well you are set hoi4. 128gb + 1tb not ideal but is good. Manage your games better I think you'll be fine
full flint
@wicked hearth Do you have a laptop which you can swap the drives?
wicked hearth
No i might buy one during the black friday sale
smoky flame
scares me really that RDR 2 alone can take up over 10% of a 1TB storage and soon we are talking 200GB games that'll take up 20% 😱
wicked hearth
Jesus, is it any good on PC?
smoky flame
very demanding but looks beautiful
full flint
I have seen the game run 60fps + on cards like rx 580 (desktop) but that is with 16GB ram, ultra textures high everything else
before patch too
smoky flame
I tried setting the game to maxed settings and yeah, not very smart of me. Was "playable" but not to my liking or expectations and that is on hardware that in most other games I could max out settings just fine in and achieve 60+ fps
full flint
I plan getting a 1TB ssd for my PC too, not sure if it is worth £93, if there will be additional sales or if I should aim for 2 TB... (looks like 2TB is still expensive here)
smoky flame
either RDR 2 is terribly unoptimized or settings are built for hardware and specs that simply cannot be met, even by today's £750 CPUs, £1200 GPUs and £3000 PCs in general. Scary really
full flint
The game I think has 8K resolution support, wonder what games like cyberpunk 2077 will be like... Also, £750 for a CPU?
smoky flame
3950X
full flint
CPU is fine
The game I think is more GPU demanding condering it can run on the custom AMD Jaguar CPU found in both the PS4 and Xbox One...
smoky flame
I don't see why any gamer would need a CPU with so many cores. Content with my 6700K at the moment though judging by how some of the newer titles optimised for CPU usage make use of more than 4 cores I may opt to get myself a 6 core AMD CPU in the not too distant future. 6 cores being touted as the sweet spot
full flint
Don't kill me pls but I think 7700K is still more than enough
A rtx titan can run rdr2 just fine at 60fps
Also about 6 cores, games like AC Odyssey do benefit from it
smoky flame
yeah, 7700K should see another year I think. My 6700K though it will see 5 years next year and I'd consider that long enough for any CPU
full flint
I'm using 7820X in my PC, don't think I'll have to change it for a very long time
smoky flame
nice. 8 cores. You should be fine for some time yeah
full flint
I can always get a 18 core beast if needed
smoky flame
maybe 5 years after the launch (Q2 2017) of your CPU Intel will have finally got the 10nm fabrication working for their desktop CPUs and we finally see 10nm desktop CPUs from Intel 😄
so yeah, stick with that CPU. Should see you through nicely
full flint
There is the i9 10900X and others
The naming scheme is not as bad as 10th gen mobile though
For example i7-1065G7
We will have to see what CPU they put in PS5/Xbox Scarlett, I assume whatever number of cores that has is what developers will work with, maybe more depending on the game
pearl linden
I need more storage on my pc. Built it last year.
full flint
typically newer consoles run octacore
pearl linden
Any suggestions?
full flint
Micron SSD
Crucial MX series
I got one of those in my laptop (MX 500)
can get a 2tb one for around $180-$200
How much is the intel 660p?
pearl linden
I would like at least a few tb
full flint
pearl linden
for that i was thinking Seagate BarraCuda 8TB
full flint
I wouldn't
pearl linden
need it mostly just for gaming tbh
full flint
Seagate's large storage hasn't been up to par with their smaller drives, so they're still in the unreliable dept. there
pearl linden
so the ssd is probably a better option, no?
full flint
SSD's more stable and faster
Micron's silicon's also the hardest to kill
so I try to go Samsung or Micron on Storage and Memory
pearl linden
just sucks that the storage is smaller
brisk tartan
i wouldnt say their smaller drives are great either =/ WDs seem fairly reliable tho
full flint
yeah. but the reliability is
pearl linden
i hate wd
full flint
WD's lower than SG
pearl linden
spoke to them way too often for work
brisk tartan
ahhh fair enough,
smoky flame
I have an older Crucial SSD. MX200. Hope that is Micron too
full flint
reliable and faster
brisk tartan
oops died xD maybe be lucky so far then but yeah SSD all the way. got a 5TB WD for xbox which has lasted well since i bought it about 4-5 years ago now
pearl linden
guessing i'll probably need a mounting bracket and sata to usb cable with this one
full flint
I want to switch my PC to all SSD in the future
smoky flame
same
full flint
oh, were you looking for externals?
full flint
ah. I was confused cause you mentioned SATA to USB
pearl linden
i wonder why amazon suggested the sata to usb
full flint
basically the same cables internal hard drives use
smoky flame
Annoyingly if I go SSD only I feel it would be best to get one SSD that covers all things. Games, operating system, launchers etc but doing that means that I may need a bigger storage. 2TB may not be optimal
full flint
Is the sata to usb thing for cloning drives? I have done that before...
pearl linden
but usb
full flint
Sub can hook you up with those links...right Sub -quickly delegates-
pearl linden
2tb just doesn't seem like much
full flint
SATA to USB is just to use an internal as an external
@smoky flame I seen some people with editing PCs that have all SSDs
depends on if you plan to have 40-50 games installed at once
smoky flame
wait what?
full flint
a 2tb can conmfortably fit 20 large games that average 20-70gb
and a few 100gb+
can you link some drive cables @smoky flame
@smoky flame Wait not just editing but main rigs... the editing PC has hard drives probably for storing large files
smoky flame
I worry about games that will soon creep into the 200GB territory. That's roughly 10% of that 2TB SSD gone in one go. Could say in a flash
pearl linden
don't spook me
full flint
the reason games are getting larger is because hard drives are a thing still
smoky flame
not sure I can link some drive cables
pearl linden
i wanna just go ahead and buy this but black friday/cyber monday is so close...
full flint
I'd wait a bit, for sure
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-3-Pack-Straight-Black/dp/B018Y2LCEI/ref=sr_1_4
No idea how good these are
pearl linden
mhm. thank you for helping. at least i know what I want now thanks to you all.
smoky flame
my list is getting bigger on stuff I want to do. Proper desk being top priority. Upgrading CPU is somewhere in there, as is going all SSD
GPU upgrade could top it all off. Provided Ampere does launch next year
full flint
@smoky flame If games do become 200GB there should be options to install parts of the game at or at least be able to compress game files further
Especially if digital is the future
My case came :)
Panzer?
Cougar panzer max
I have a second one on the way to swap for my Corsair 750D because this case is heckin ugly
Ah its a £200 case
smoky flame
yeah, tbh I feel all games with the option to play online or solo should have the option to install that part of the game rather than one full game package that gets crazy in size. For example, RDR 2 and GTA 5. Of the capacity in storage they take up just how much is taken by their online modes?
full flint
Wait its no longer avaliable here
It games like that the difference is usually super small
Like 95gb vs 100gb
@smoky flame yeah why do you need to install gta online/rdr2 online if you only plan to play singleplayer anyway? And why do online games even need to be installed to the disc? Makes no sense to me imo
Disc is license verification
Not actually storing the game
I meant the drive not the disc
smoky flame
I thought compressing files was bad so I'd say devs should avoid that where they can. Especially if they want to talk bringing high quality (lossless) audio to games
full flint
Lossless compression exists, but probably not to a scale where games are small in file size for example
smoky flame
True but why call it lossless compression considering the whole point of lossless is to be uncompressed? It's not lossless in my eyes if it is compressed if that makes sense
sorry for derailing things a bit here btw
atomic hound
Yeet
full flint
Loseless is just without information loss. So the original data can still be reconstructed from the compressed file I think.
A major example of this is FLAC
full flint
@smoky flame I am not sure but I think studios use stuff like LPCM
topaz patio
what would be the xbox one s gpu equivalent for pc
full flint
@topaz patio The X is rx 580, not sure about the S... If you want to get same framerates as consoles on newer games, it also depends on settings too. The consoles use APUs anyway, so I am not sure if the ryzen 5 2400g or similar would be better
topaz patio
ah
willow tiger
hi
full flint
@ruby spear sorry!!
night pasture
anybody tried nfs heat?
native gust
not really my brother has tried it
night pasture
it's good?
native gust
yea it looks really cool
night pasture
i mean is it even close to NFS MW 2005?
night pasture
i need to try
native gust
yea
night pasture
ty so much
night pasture
on mobile yes. U can share me nfs heat 😉
native gust
only Ark
night pasture
oh i dunno that game
night pasture
im not sure, but i play ark survial on mob
native gust
lol
i can send you aa link to play surviv.io with me I played with another dude on here and we won first game
night pasture
lemme try send me
native gust
okay
night pasture
i play on mobile data. If it's a huge game.... Imma have to go download it from mmy friend's house
night pasture
im there
night pasture
lol
native gust
i died
night pasture
maybe xd
thorny cypress
@night pasture Gamesharing is against the Terms of Service
night pasture
oh sorry
native gust
lol
smoky flame
Tried gaming at 60Hz for the first time in over 9 months and yeah. I definitely could not see myself go back to 60Hz gaming. Way too used to 144Hz now
full flint
Was that on a 144hz monitor or 60hz monitor? Wonder what a console + tv setup would be like for you...
I used xcloud on a phone with a controller and I was fine with that...
But with regular windows use and also gaming yes agree 144hz is very responsive, especially with stuff like mouse acceleration disabled
smoky flame
was on my 144hz monitor, yeah. It has a HDMI port that is locked to 60hz so I decided to use HDMI instead of Displayport just to see the difference. Changed back pretty quick 😄
full flint
Does your monitor also support freesync/g-sync? that might also help too
smoky flame
gsync yeah
full flint
I wonder what 60hz with gsync would be like on a 144hz monitor or if it is basicially same as using hdmi
smoky flame
HDMI without screen tearing - at least until fps exceeds 60 anyway
only way to stop the screen tearing beyond 60 fps would be to cap fps up to 3 fps below the refresh rate and to enable vsync. That is how I have my PC set up at the moment (but with 144hz) 144hz monitor refresh rate + G-Sync + Vsync + 141 fps cap through Rivatuner
full flint
I mean can you use displayport, G-Sync but have the refresh rate at 60hz instead of 144hz? Or do you need both G-Sync and V-Sync enabled
smoky flame
gsync should still be active at even at 60hz
something that is beginning to annoy me. Games installed through the Microsoft Store deny access to their file location so I can't use Rivatuner to cap fps to the 3 fps below as I mentioned previously without setting it on the global profile
then there are games like Destiny 2 and Forza Horizon 4 that flat out block MSI Afterburner/Rivatuner from showing up altogether
full flint
Wait Destiny 2 and Forza Horizon 4 blocks that?
autumn sluice
Yes due to 3rd party hacks
smoky flame
I wouldn't say they are hacks. On Forza Horizon 4's case I think it was some sort of updated Microsoft Anticheat service they rolled out that detected the hooks Rivatuner uses and stopped them. Possibly the same for Destiny 2 but idk I think they blocked it manually
Last I remember Forza Motorsport 7 allowed the use of Rivatuner and even Forza Horizon 4's beta allowed it so it is strange imo
arctic cosmos
lol
ruby spear
@full flint No
full flint
k
void helm
pew pew pew, let's shoot some bad guys.
vestal stream
60hrz is not enough when ur sniping a enemy XD
i watch that vid its the monitors not ur PC
u did shoot the enemy right but the monitor dely ur bullet to ur enemies
devout remnant
PC gaming best, can I post a vid of my build?
ruby spear
Not really, as that would fall under the self promotion rule, sorry.
ruby spear
Sure
devout remnant
Aha can’t post pics yet I guess 😅
ruby spear
But you'll need to upload elsewhere and then paste the URL as you're not currently a verified member, so don't have image permissions.
devout remnant
Gotcha. Just read them. Ok. I’ll do a URL link instead as I’m proud of my build 💪
smoky flame
oh my... That is some build. What's the specs?
devout remnant
@smoky flame
Corsair 1000D Case, i9-9900K (all core 5GHz), 2x 2080 Ti’s (CPU & GPUs on Custom Loop Cooling), 32GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM, ASUS Formula Motherboard, Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 SSD, Corsair 1200W Power Supply
Monitor is the ASUS PG27UQ, Mouse is Razer Mamba Hyperflux, Keybaord is Razer Huntsman Elite, Chair is Steelcase Gesture, Speakers are Kef X300A Digital.
smoky flame
yeah that is crazy and real nice. Why two GPUs though? Considering how dead SLI/NVLink is these days
devout remnant
Worked well for Gears 4. I was on 4K 144Hz locked at Ultra settings.
smoky flame
ah
smoky flame
my PC build isn't anywhere near as fancy 😦 Corsair 400C case, i7-6700K (all cores 4.2GHz, AIO cooler), 1080 Ti FE, 16GB DDR4 2666MHz ram, Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha motherboard, Crucial MX200 250GB SSD + Western Digital Black 2TB HDD and Corsair RM650i PSU (Most of that is from 2016 when I built it)
devout remnant
Still Solid though ^
I’m just waiting for Next Gen Intel CPUs and Nvidia 3000 Series Cards. Then full rebuild.
full flint
@devout remnant You have a nice setup but storage is lacking... Don’t know why people gimp on that especially at the very high-end...
devout remnant
@full flint how do you know my storage is lacking?
My M.2 is literally one of the fastest you can buy ....
devout remnant
According to who 😅
full flint
-looks at 12tb of nearly maxed storage-
devout remnant
Yeah, I’m no where near that, not even 4%
full flint
typically I'd always recommend Boot+4TB
because media and games stack up quick
Yeah with games becoming close to 200GB, The Evo Plus alone may not be enough... (It also depends what else you got on your PC too)
If I had that setup, I would also have 4TB Sata SSD or something crazy like that...
However, if you also have something like a NAS I can understand why there is only one fast drive, but I mean that case can fit 2 systems in there...
they did say that they had a 2TB WD Kronixio lol
Wait where? Subzerogamer did I believe
EnVii
What SSD do you remmend I pick up for my setup? Currently got a similar storage setup to sub zero gamer... The Sandisk 1TB SSD Plus is £88 but there might be better options...
Also is the Sennheiser HD 599 a good buy for £90?
(I also want other stuff for my PC but at the moment probably storage)
how much storage and what are you looking for
specified case, or general storage
So the SSD is for a gamedrive, the HDD I have I will use for other things (I also have a 2TB external drive but both are seagates so I have no idea how long that will last)
As for backups I may just get 128GB Sandisk ultra flash drives since they are really cheap. (£15 each)
(Storage is as much as possible) Max budget £250
then my go-to recommendations for Micron Crucial MX series SSDs stands
Ah the Crucial MX 500?
one of them
Ok, £93 for 1TB, over £200 for 2TB, would be nice if the 2TB SSD would be cheaper...
they're tanks of drives though
Micron Chips 🙌
Might pick up something else during the sales too
Hmm why is there is 1650 super out?
because NVIDIA
Speaking of Nvidia I found an RTX 2060 super for £350 new not sure how much they would be in the US
The MSI Armor only problem is I got Asus motherboard... (I believe it has RGB via mystic light)
wait for Ampere
devout remnant
I don’t need more than 512GB
full flint
that's what we all say until we're trying to figure out how to fit this extra 50gb game on the hard drive that only has core documents and photos on it
devout remnant
Not me 😅
barren knot
I'd go with 500gb nvme, 500gb sata ssd and a big hdd for other stuff
Depending on which games you currently play, you can move them between hdd and ssd
full flint
Which games benefit from the faster load times?
all of them lol
so why bother with hdd for some games?
just because of cost
cost per gig
barren knot
How many games do you play at once?
full flint
@barren knot Ah fair enough. Although it would be nice to have a selection if games to choose from especially with limited internet speeds, saves having to redownload games or moving games back and forth...
barren knot
With 1TB of SSD you can install a few games
devout remnant
@full flint I only ever have 2-3 games on my HDD that I actively play, I don’t just keep them there or really want to go back once completed
barren knot
and moving games doesn't take too long
devout remnant
Right now it’s Gears 5 that I play and then will have Halo Reach PC.
full flint
Ah I have problems sticking to one game at time
devout remnant
A lot of games I play are on PlayStation.
The only real MP game I play is Gears 5.
And soon Halo Reach.
full flint
can't wait for halo reach tbh
devout remnant
@full flint Same.
full flint
tidal comet
Is there a way for me to get notifications on my computer from the Xbox companion app while i'm playing? I keep getting invites to join the voice chat but i don't see them until I'm done playing and check the app on my compute (also posted in community support, i am not sure where to post exactly)
lusty oak
rule 13
full flint
@opaque pond Lol
full flint
Have any of you used the GOG Galaxy 2.0 client?
no invite here 😦
Ah I got the invite...
smoky flame
Heard good things of GOG Galaxy 2.0
gilded gyro
any promising games coming to game pass soon on pc?
gilded gyro
anything else
full flint
others are kinda only announced before being added
yakuza series is special since it's the first time it's coming to xbox, and also releasing on the gamepasses
there's a list on TrueAchievements of all the upcoming game pass games
gilded gyro
not really my types of games tbh but I’ll wait for E3 next year
haven’t even touched halo, idek if I should, people say it’s similar to gears of war which is one of my faves but i don’t really like the gameplay of halo
full flint
eventually, all of the 360 FPS titles will be
on PC that is
they're adding them staggered to allow people to play them sooner rather than later
since they aren't doing ports
gilded gyro
all 360 titles will be coming to pc???
full flint
all 360 halo titles
gilded gyro
oh got me excited for a sec
full flint
we were discussing halo so I referred with that in context
gilded gyro
true ye my bad
full flint
MCC's plans for release and how they're being handled are posted in the MCC Dev updates over at http://halowaypoint.com
as well as insider flight sign ups
and inside-looks
full flint
scarlett's coming out next year with all the same capabilities and more
if you're more on the PC end of things, that'll be an easier transition
since they're focusing on 4k@60 among other things
full flint
uses the index base station and knuckle controllers
Pros: 4k^2 VR gaming
Cons: You look like Genji
full flint
Huh a 3rd party vr headset using valve stuff
Wow it has 4K?
it's also $1800 for the nice headphones
full flint
Ah cool. Expensive but for a 4K vr system it seems cheap, although you also need the PC too
smoky flame
Revisiting a game that is very special. One that I think was ahead of its time. Crysis 3. Still looks and plays beautifully today. I went and applied maxed settings in the game through some cvar file from Crytek to up the settings beyond the in game stuff
full flint
what settings?
smoky flame
https://imgur.com/a/8fFHDXs This is the cvar I talked about. I set everything to max in game then I opened this (after closing Crysis 3) and from there I made sure to set all the values to the maximum minus a few personal preference options I tend to disable on sight (motion blur, depth of field and chromatic aberration)
Surprisingly after setting all this up my PC still handled it all very well. The game might be over 6 years old now but I bet weaker PC hardware will struggle with all this still. Lowest FPS I noticed was in the high 80's but for the most part my system was pushing well over 100 FPS
full flint
weaker PC's still have issues running Crysis 1
full flint
Even the AMD Athlon 200GE?
Unreal 4 is about the same system hit as CryEngine 3 visually
full flint
Pros: you look like Genji
full flint
the professional con
tame brook
dm me if ur good with pcs, pc specs
full flint
The 1650 supers are $160 
4gb tho
even if GDDR6, that's still a deficit, so primarily temp/budget builds or low-end needs
I mean it’s great to see nvidia with a card under $200 for once lol
it's also a significant bump in performance from the 1650
something like 53% more powerful?
Clocks are in the 1800s too
1700s
I was looking at the 1660s
Genius
oh