classic

[barren patrol]

so me and my friends do dungeons together where i need to dps as feral - I just have no idea what i'm doing, should i just do single target cat stuff or go bear and swipe???

[cosmic rock]

[hasty mural]

Depends on how many you are up against barkskin hurricane is great aoe rest better to just single target

Aoe trinkets help

[noble forge]

how does the fire dot work?

because 3 ticks in 1 second

seems strange

but I dont know that boss

and lol

that attack

haha

Hand of Justice procc

[hollow blaze]

resto question -- I'm running 0/30/21 HoTW Tank/healer. I've read that generally, resto druid BiS stat is +heal on gear. However, since I'm so heavily reliant on my HoTW, is my new focus INT? For example, my current helm has 28 INT+10 SPI. Is that better or worse than my helm that has 6 SPI + 33 heal?

[remote lance]

Wow recruit this dwarf

Clearly skilled at gibbing people

Plus healing is better even with hotw build. Int and spirit only matter if you go oom even with appropriate downranking to avoid overhealing

[fresh jay]

Classic is dead

[remote lance]

Toxic

[turbid knoll]

Emp actually just has extra attack procs almost like he's using his Iron Foe he has equipped! Honestly both cool and annoying

[little wigeon]

wowdownrank doesn't work right

i did the math myself

[mental crystal]

same

[little wigeon]

crit doesn't apply to HoT right?

[noble forge]

correct

[cloud grail]

can you share this spreadsheet

[rustic yoke]

So I got Slaghide Gauntlets of Defense, is defense any good for bear or should I keep farming for monkey

?

[sick merlin]

Keep farming

I settled for str/stam

Defense doesn't do as much for us as warriors since we can't Parry or block

[viral reef]

sup all

just dinged 46 and i was wondering if its worth to just respec into resto and spam out dungeons

[candid abyss]

I think a lot do tank over heal but you do you. "Worth it" idk, I've been leveling as cat questing with the odd dungeon here and there and is been pretty fun

[tender scarab]

No reason you can't tank with a feral leveling build

[noble forge]

^ basically the big decision is which of the primal things you get first if you actually do dungeons/tank dungeons I'd just get both

cause there arent actually any really great leveling points to fill those to get to 25 points

on my druid this: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/-50500203030221 is my current build and im intending to fill out Blood Frenzy next before Heart

[green zealot]

Just got my Warden's Staff, and have no idea what to enchant it with before p3. I guess +30 SP?

[serene sable]

anyone here any good with macros?

[viral coyote]

iron counterweight?

[cold moth]

do you guys open with pounce or ravage when questing in the wild

[wet summit]

is there a discord dedicated to playing oomkin? there are niche discords like the one for spellpower ret so I'm kinda curious

[candid abyss]

I usually open with pounce, shred, then next tic is exactly 30 energy so I tigers fury.

[honest laurel]

do we gain anything from strength?

[noble forge]

Ap yes Baseline 2 per point

[honest laurel]

so both agi and strength is good

[candid abyss]

agil gives ap, crit, armor and dodge, str is just straight ap, so str isnt bad but agil is better

[noble forge]

is that actually true?

because afaik its not quite that clear

[noble forge]

yes

Im aware of what they do

but strength gives more Ap

your link does not actually state that agi gives ap but pretty sure it dose

[candid abyss]

agil is 1 ap

str 2 ap

can check by removing gear and watching your ap number

in cat form, turns agil to ap

so for pure bear, you are correct no ap

[noble forge]

ive never actually said agi is no ap, thought it gave in bear too

[candid abyss]

im not trying to be combative, just informative. you said you were "pretty sure it does" so i was clarifying for the guy who originally asked. tbh i didnt realize it gave no ap in bear until i just read the tooltip

[remote lance]

i think that wasn't the case for quite a while in Vanilla, which felt super bad.

[chrome nova]

I think the point is rather that 2 *1,2 AP > 1 AP + 1/14th crit%

however I havent done the math on this, but the point is that nothing about this is clear cut as there are crit interactions which may or may not put agil above str, but I kinda doubt that is the case

[remote lance]

extra combo point from critting makes it harder to evaluate using napkin math

stat wise it's basically as you said, and then if you're alliance BoK further makes strength better in that context

[remote lance]

I mean is it even the best heal you have for 2 globals

Because if the question is how do I outsnipe other healers the answer will always be bring as few as possible

sure, so we can try mathing it out. Regardless, lets say it's the best case scenario that it just cost 1 global (since you were going to reapply rej anyway, which I'm not sure if is best HPS spell or not), does it beat out regrowth or not?

i need to know what the goal is, are you trying to maxmizie HPS ignoring mana?

if that's the case then you just look at all the hps of the spells and use them accordingly, it is actually possible that SM isn't used at all

but the best thing to do would still be cutting as many healers as possible; that goes without saying

yeah, so if the goal is just to stablize tank you would keep regrowth+rej on tank (i honestly don't remember if they are worth keeping up though. you can only have one active per target and i don't even think it healed that much) and SM when he spikes. In all other cases you would just spam R4HT and cancel at last second if it's going to overheal

swiftmend is one of those things that are there to save the tank unless you use it to snipe heal, at which point it's pretty much farm and not progress

with that said, did you check if your tank (if warriors) are immune to crit and crushing yet?

because that's a much bigger deal than just throwing healers at the equation

ye, asaik they can push crushing off their hit table pretty easily with 1 point into imp block, as long as you don't have a billion people attacking from the front to parry haste the boss so frequently that 2 block charges is insufficient

[noble forge]

but if the tanks get trucked

why dont you have healers precast

on boss autos?

no need to panic if you just time it based on autoattack of the boss or things like breath fire from onyxia

@remote lance you (cant/dont) go for critimmune

[remote lance]

as a what, warrior? unless you're DW tanking you can get it pretty easily anyway

[noble forge]

pretty sure in current gear its very very hard

and you have insane threat issues if you do

[remote lance]

i don't really disagree with you there, just focusingon ther comment of tank getting spiked.

not disagree with the precast part, to be clear

[noble forge]

from what ive quickly read in warrior discord basically they say that if you want to be crit immune you can just shieldblock and going for defense is (mostly) a waste with current gear

[remote lance]

that's basically what i said though, i never said to actively chase after defense but just maintainig SB

[noble forge]

think the precast part/tracking swing timers as both tank and heal is a bigger thing

[quaint condor]

what do you guys think of glowing brightwood staff for farming

for 50g

rn im using mace and off hand from brd

[noble forge]

why?

[quaint condor]

to aoe farm in moonglow spec

[vague iris]

What is Moonglow?

[remote lance]

The mana reduction talent in balance

[mental storm]

Hey guys what stats do you recommend for each archtype? tanking, feral dps, and healing? Is there a specific one to prioritize over others for each class slot? (Like for healing would 20 int be better than 10 int and 10 spirit?)

[tight wasp]

Anyone able to quickly link me to a Nature's Swiftness + Healing Touch macro that will also shift me out of cat/bear with only one button press? Does such a thing even exist in classic?

[low steeple]

/cast Nature's Swiftness
/cast Healing Touch

[remote lance]

yes, since that only uses 1 GCD

[low steeple]

SHift click the specific rank of ht you want in there

[tight wasp]

Ah, so quite a simple one in the end. Thank you 🙂

[lone bear]

You must not be on gcd for it to work properly tho

[remote lance]

can just spam the button anyway

will be a delay on the HT but not that bad

[sick merlin]

Wanted to level as a Boomie. Should I go for insect swarm first or down the balance tree?

[noble forge]

F

[prime willow]

Guys i have a question, if someone knows the answer id be happy to know, does Tiger's Fury also increase the damage of the bleeds or not?

[remote lance]

Lol

[hallow pawn]

@sick merlin I went all balance first. I felt the need to beef up starfire as much as possible because insect swarm damage is too low with the hit chance being pretty negligible

[sick merlin]

@hallow pawn thanks I'll try that

[hallow pawn]

Just know it's slow but if you're like me and hate playing feral do it anyway

Not like there's a need for speed

[sick merlin]

Well my feral is 60, just wanted second druid lol

He's only 10

Basically just Wana run around as a boomkin as BerniTenders

[hallow pawn]

The mana struggle is real

[sick merlin]

We will redistribute the Mana :)

[sand raven]

tiger's fury doesn't buff bleeds cuz they dont scale with AP

[fleet timber]

Are there any addons or wa's to easier see when bash etc misses?

[noble forge]

um

eyes?

if you pressed it and they arent stunned

could have a weakaura to see if bash is active on them

[echo saffron]

Im intrested in a balance lvling talent setup

Could not finde a build

[fleet timber]

I'd prefer wa showing huge text on my screen

Like that

Now I just have to miss with bash to see if it works, I really hate reinventing the wheel

Yay

[remote lance]

Rofl

[hallow pawn]

BIGGER

[remote lance]

But was bash dodged

[strange gyro]

Is there a consensus for moonglow vs regrowth build for raid healing?

[cloud grail]

moonglow for mana help on phase 1

planning to switch to heart of the wild so I can pvp better on phase 2

[strange gyro]

Looking at logs, the top parses have regrowth as their most-casted spell however the fight lengths are around 1 min

[remote lance]

regrowth spam is the highest HPS but yeah rip mana

[fleet timber]

That was for testing, I won't be using that large text and not that position. Moonfire and insect swarm outrange health bars, so you can't see the buff ontop of them etc.

[cloud grail]

on phase 1 you are looking at HPM instead of HPS

and healing touch wins that

[ocean kernel]

Hey guys, does the melee damage in bear and cat form affected by the weapon damage-range and speed ? Or is it fixed and only AP dependant ?

[cloud grail]

no

not affected

speed is fixed, power based on AP

9% hit from gear

[light ledge]

Only thing that affects feral attack speed is the weight and the mace from Gnomer until Naxx

[ocean kernel]

Okay thanks

I get it now why people farm the shit out of this mace xD

[sick merlin]

Farmed 5 pummelers yesterday. It's actually pretty fast.

[dense bronze]

Only 20 more to go!

and then the same thing next week

woo

[whole swan]

What kind of shit guild are you in if you need 25 pummelers a week lol

You can probably get away with 1 or 2 charges per boss if that

[sick merlin]

I tank and not dps

So I don't use them often

Mostly use 1 charge on rag

That's about it

[whole swan]

Yeah its not even close to how bad people say it is, pretty sure you can do all the 5 clears in like 15 mins also so just log on, quickly hit your cap and your done

Such an easy grind yet people cry about it 😄

[sick merlin]

If you Wana be tryhard feral dps you would use it every fight though

I was playing an alt so I would do 5 clears then log off then log back in and do 5 more

[noble forge]

optimize trash clearing aswell

gotta speedrun

[crystal cedar]

quick question, what is better for bear tank? +9 stam, vs. 20 armor and +4 defense?

[sick merlin]

9 stam

[crystal cedar]

ty

[cold moth]

Is 300 the max for skinning in Classic?

Also, if i make a macro to cast a spell, it will cast the highest rank of spell, ya?

[coarse mica]

Yes and yes

[cold moth]

OK cheers

[coarse mica]

for skinning you can increase it with an enchant / the dagger from the Beast

so you can skin onyxia or the Beast himself

[cold moth]

oh ok

[cold moth]

I heard people talking about a hybrid tank/healer spec is that true?

yeah!

Hmm do I wanna give up lotp though

I want to keep tanking but I'm worried about getting no place in raids

so it would be good to heal as well

[cold moth]

With the exception of leatherworking, thinking about another skill to go with skinning but dont want to go back through beginner areas to grind herbalism or mining, suggestions?

[noble forge]

@cold moth what is the purpose of the second profession?

[cold moth]

Money

[noble forge]

well

mining

[cold moth]

Any way to avoid the early area grind

[noble forge]

no

leveling professions from 1 is always a grind

[cold moth]

I might just take leatherworking, can always buy the leather and low level leather is dirt cheap atm

[noble forge]

personally I make decent money with leatherworking but its not "fast"

crafts take an eterinity

[cold moth]

Been so long since I did it

Can't really remember any of it

I might be lazy and just stick with skinning

or maybe go for engineering although I should really have mining with that

[cold moth]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Druids can hold two daggers but no dual wield?

[noble forge]

druids cant hold 2 daggers

[cold moth]

thnx

[noble forge]

wearing 2 daggers would be dual wield

for what ever reason you could do it in legion, and legion only

[cold moth]

It's more that the druids have weapons as stat sticks only and I have orb that I can use off-hand, just trying to consider what combination would give the most stats

my guess would be staves

[noble forge]

You cant wear staff and offhand

Only dagger fistweapon or mace+ oh

[cold moth]

Yea, I know that much

[noble forge]

Interestingly enough on my lvl 35 Druid i Care about the dps of my healing weapon

So i can boink people while healing

[cold moth]

I thought the dps didnt matter

when feral

But you're resto

[noble forge]

dps doesnt matter in form

[cold moth]

That's ok

[cold moth]

I just killed a murloc for making me think he was a herb

[cold moth]

that is also ok

🙂

[remote lance]

wat

[willow escarp]

I think you can level mining exclusively by smelting - if you didn't want to go back to low level areas to farm

Probably can't get to 300 with only smelting, but I think you can get to ~250 with only smelting

[vague iris]

Also disenchanting

[lone bear]

cant smelt to high level

only to something like 150, iron i think?

or mithril

[safe quiver]

does strength help feral cat dps?

[south pine]

2 AP for 2 str in kitty form

1*

Ergh .. 2 Ap for 1 str 😅

[wicked stag]

How are druids in classic? As weak as some people were saying or?

[noble forge]

define weak

weak for what

but basically yes

druids are worse tank than warriors worse dps than warriors/rogues/mages/locks worse healer than pala/priest/shaman but you can still easily clear everything because no content is hard in classic

[sterile crag]

druids are better aoe tanks than wars they also hold threat way easier and druids have the best burst healing in the game with regrowth. Dps wise ferals do about as much as a hunter while boomie does about 30% less than a frost mage

[noble forge]

@sterile crag I just checked logs and no any druid is substantially lower than hunters (mages are also lower than hunters) druids are similar to locks/sps depending on the percentage you check

higher percentage obviously favouring druid a bit more due to higher likelyness of having crowd pummeler

[sterile crag]

maybe right now due to lack of itemization. Druid need crit to work effectively

[ocean kernel]

Hey guys, quick question, do on-hit effects from weapon trigger from attacking in cat or bear form ?

[noble forge]

no

[ocean kernel]

ow ok 😦

Does this mean that offhands that have effects like "2% chance to deal x damage when hit" also don't work ?

[mental storm]

Can someon recommend a good hybrind talent? Want to do healing, for dungeons and PVP. Maybe raid healing

[ocean kernel]

[calm trellis]

Hey!! I am new here! I am in discord

Is there a section about druid classic guides ?

[cold moth]

Is there a macro to go from mount to cat form in classic

I can dismount but needs delay before moving into cat form

[lone bear]

@ocean kernel all on hit weapon stuff doesnt work while in cat/bear. if you arent using the weapon, you no get the on hit. on the positive side, theres a special weapon called the manual crowd pummeler which has an on use of 50% more attack speed (only affects auto attacks)

@cold moth yes /dismount and /cast cat form in same macro with dismount first

[cold moth]

@lone bear Yeah, I managed to find something that works. Just hitting the same key again switches from mount to cat, works well enough

thnx

[cold moth]

Sorry for the daft question but in WoW Classic, are the AH's linked?

'As of Warlords of Draenor, all Auction Houses are connected between factions. '

So that'd be no. Shame

[frosty hound]

hey quick question-based on currente gear available, my understanding is we can get to 7 percent hit for feral dps-anyone else have different math (assuming you are using wolf helm)

[noble forge]

Got Leader of the Pack now

And bear at lvl 40 is a beast

[brittle crater]

hi, Just wondering if black duskwood staff (Staff that has a chance to proc 110-140 shadow damage on hit) is any good for cat form, I just got it at level 39 and Im currently using a 10 strenght 2H Mace

[honest laurel]

on hit doesnt affect in forms sadly

[lilac meadow]

What about "Chance to proc if struck in combat"

when in form

[viral coyote]

"If struck"works. Lvl 25 totem of infliction is sadly one of the only worthwhile tank offhands in classic, and it definitely procs

[cold moth]

Why does ferocious bite say it does 490-530 damage at 5 cp but only does 300ish?

[remote lance]

Armor

[cold moth]

ohh righ tthanks

Not sure how a naked spider has armour but oh well wow logic

[frosty hound]

also

on hit works in feral cat form if its via a trinket-for example Hand OF justice can proc off cat white

wryhmheart trink from LBRS can also proc in cat

its weapon on hits that dont do anything for cats

[grizzled cape]

Any ferals tried out the 6p on shadowcraft. What's the proc rate like?

https://classic.wowhead.com/item-set=184/shadowcraft-armor#comments

[sick merlin]

Wish blizzard would fix Mana drain in forms :(

[limber hollow]

Only if it didn't work that way in vanilla

[sick merlin]

It didnt

[balmy spear]

@noble forge well it is a beast ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[molten matrix]

what is a good enchant for a 2hand staff for a feral tank?

[brittle star]

prolly the agi one

[molten matrix]

+25 agi?

[molten matrix]

but I do not think this is available right now. coming with p3?

[willow escarp]

I've heard that but I don't know what the source is for that. I always thought +25 agi was from Timbermaw (who are most definitely in p1). Is there something that you need from BWL or Darkmoon Fair for the enchant?

[dense bronze]

+25 agi isn't included until phase 5

+15 is coming in phase 3 however

[sick merlin]

@molten matrix 9 int is the best enchant you can get atm

@willow escarp it's from timbermaw but the enchant isn't in the game

Argent Dawn, timbermaw etc gets more rep items in later phases

[willow escarp]

Ah - I see

[weak reef]

How about the 3% haste one? Heard that work for feral attack speed?

[viral reef]

is it viable to raid heal as a hybrid spec?

raid/5 and 10 man

[solar stream]

ns is pmuch the only good thing in healing tree besides tranquil/reflection so as long as u have pts in those ur good to heal

[winter willow]

guys

i am thinking of switching from a druid 5 man tanking spec

to a raiding Resto specc

would you recommend Moonglow or HOTW

for that?

i already have 5p T1 and some auxiliary items for resto

[solar stream]

hotw is better for all round game play but moonglow is better for healing

[fierce dove]

how long are the servers normally down?

[haughty onyx]

What are boomkin his shoulders?

Bis

[frosty hound]

pre raid- Burial Shawl, in Raid (MC/Ony)- apparently tier shoulders-here is the website where I found this information @haughty onyx https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/balance-druid-dps-gear-bis-classic-wow

[remote lance]

Uh probably random green of arcane spell damage?

[karmic juniper]

a lot of your bis gear for raid is just arcane wrath gear

but gear with intellect and spellpower are way better for pvp and dungeons

wait

that sheet says

cenarion shoulders are bis for balance

that is so wrong i'm pretty sure

intellect isn't that good in raid vs spellpower/crit/hit

neither is spirit

and those shoulders don't have any spellpower at all

@haughty onyx look for kentic amice/burial shawl/high arcane damage green shoulders

kentic amice is worse, but way easier to farm

[haughty onyx]

Wow head is the main reason im asking here tbh. Because teir just doesn't make any sense to me.

[karmic juniper]

yea it doesn't at all

[frosty hound]

i posted Burial Shawl as 1st item for that reason

realistically the best way to navigate your BIS is to undersatnd what your class needs/benefits from and in this case, your spec and go from there

i.e: wristguards of stability are good for feral dps, but you need hit and its hard to come by-so perhaps the bracers off beast will be a better slot for now.

something were maybe not accustomed to is having to roll with different pieces throughout fights to test them-since certain caps like hit caps are really hard to reach in classic the way they werent in other retail expansions.

[noble forge]

In Classic AS in every other Expansion Testing is a Bad way to determine strength of items

[honest ridge]

Anyone have a good resto/balance build (my guild wants me to heal but I still want to have big starfire crits and be decent in world PvP). This is my current setup (30/0/21):

https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/01415030025513--05510310501

[willow escarp]

I would think that build would be fine for healing 5 mans and raids. IMO the "necessary" talents are Reflection, Tranquil Spirit, and Moonglow.

[balmy spear]

How does the energy rate work in classic?

[noble forge]

its fix

20 energy every

3?

seconds

you can get some addon whcih tracks the ticks

[frosty hound]

if you play feral as well-you can "cheat" a tick with furor by shifting right near the tick end-causing the tick and the energy from furor or wolfshide helm to proc. i use Nugenergy to track and it's easy

[noble forge]

which "cheat"?

you just shift

when you dont get energy tick

you dont get any bonus or something outside the furor/wolfshead

[frosty hound]

its not a cheat per say its just well timed

but you can get to 80 energy vs 60 on shift if you time it before the tick

hence the tracking of the ticks importance

[noble forge]

is it actually

well timed?

[frosty hound]

yes

[noble forge]

I havent tried it yet

[frosty hound]

if you dont time it right before the tick youll end at 60 energy

if you do , youll get 80\

[noble forge]

so the tick gets reset

[frosty hound]

which is important for fights

[noble forge]

if you shift into cat?

[frosty hound]

it gets "delayed" server side and dumps it all at once

[noble forge]

I dont think it does

[frosty hound]

look up Shendodruid

he talks about it extensivley in his feral pve guides

and ive raided as feral so far and found it working

[noble forge]

no what im saying is

I need to get an energy regen bar

but im fairly sure

that energy regen tick

just keeps going

and tick every 3? seconds

doesnt matter if you are in cat or not

is that wrong?

[frosty hound]

right but if you time it well with right before the end of the tick, you end up in Cat at 80 energy-and I believe the tick resets the time (potentially, not sure how the under the hood entirey works) when you go into cat

[noble forge]

sure

[frosty hound]

so if you dont time it when it would reset, you get at 60, and if you do, you get at 80

[noble forge]

but why is it different

compared to you shifting in the middle of a tick

[frosty hound]

because you can shift into cat at 80 without having to wait

im not sure the exact server side code

[noble forge]

you gert to 80 a second later but why does 80 matter

you need 2 globals or sth anyway

[frosty hound]

because you can shred more frequently and keep good white attack autos without wasting swings

with the consistency

[noble forge]

I feel like we misunderstand each other

lets say

or actually

I think your way

is a dps loss

unless I misunderstand the mechanic

[frosty hound]

i think you do

and im not 100 percent sure on the under the hoods

hence recommedning an expert on the matter

[noble forge]

how does energy regen work

[frosty hound]

the tick regen starts when youre in the form

it doesnt happen passively

[noble forge]

really?

[frosty hound]

in caster

ye

thats why furor/wolf power shifting is even a mechanic

[noble forge]

okay if thats true

no

thats not the reason

[frosty hound]

well its a areason

[noble forge]

no?

power shifting would exist without that

[frosty hound]

lol youre awfully combatitive

its hilarious

but its fine

[noble forge]

because you are generating energy by shifting

thats why powershifting is a thing

[frosty hound]

btw

what did you mean earlier when you said "testing" was a bad way to check DPS out in classic and other expansions?

[noble forge]

testing isnt accurate

[frosty hound]

depends on how you test

[noble forge]

you cant do enough tests to properly decide the difference between items

[frosty hound]

if you just go on one fight then yes id agree

[noble forge]

do you by chance have an addon to track energy ticks? couldnt find one quickly on twitch

[frosty hound]

but if you use data collection from large samples sizes or simulations (particularly in expansions, like raidbots/simc) then testing is critical for preformance

im not at home atm but i believe the one i use is called "Nugenergy"

[noble forge]

ye seems to be the correct one thanks

but sure yes testing in that way can helkpo

help

[frosty hound]

not just help, its critical for improvement-if you participate in higher end raiding in retail or even in past expanisons like Legion it was a corner stone way of guilds pushing the hardest content was testing

not sure if it matters as much as classic, im not sure if simming is in classic atm as im not taking it as seriously lol

[noble forge]

but when people say they test gearsets what is usually meant is they take 2 different gear sets and compare the performance which outside rare stuff, like specific trinkets or anything which realistically performs or can perform different compared to simulations

isnt too helpful

[frosty hound]

it can be helpful but the work it takes for it to be helpful is unrealistic (large amounts of fights, accounting for variability, randomness, etc)-things that simulations do but again im not sure if sims are really around yet for classic or if they ever will be.

[noble forge]

btw when you said

shifting into cat resets your energy timer

it doesnt do that

its constant

[frosty hound]

"shrug"

im going to refer you to Shendo

hes one of the best feral pve druids out there and has the knowledge that i dont have regarding why its important to tick track for pve dps

[noble forge]

@frosty hound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9a-DLHmtFI

is that the guide you refer to?

[frosty hound]

thats one-hes also actively playing classic and has some written guides (he has two episodes for reference and some spreadsheets for gear as well)

[analog copper]

Cant find a tribal leatherworker with thorium rep. any tips on finding one?

[noble forge]

trade chat

[remote lance]

What

[analog copper]

ive been in trade chat for days and they all just have devilaur 😦

[balmy spear]

@noble forge thanks :

[noble forge]

btw I think I should put it here if someone read the discussion there is no reason at all to shift right when the energy tick happens, have to pay attention to your gcd tho

[frosty hound]

so its easy to not watch both his guides and believe that

so ill let him correct you

https://youtu.be/P2t7qG9SrVI?t=307

that link should be at the time stamp he gets into it, ohterwise its 5:05

he explains and demonstrates the way to hit 80 vs 60 energy-there is some taken for granted assumptions in the video i think but

and that will be my leave on the topic, people who read and watch his part 2-please watch both to get all the info 🙂

the tldr: if you power shift right before the tick, the server registers you getting the 20 energy per 2nd rule in cat form (source: icy veins for how energy works) and adds that extra 20 at the end of the shift for a total of 80-if you do not wait for the tick, it will go to 60. this matters when mathing out talents like imp shred and clearcasting procs for more enregy dumps in the GCD pre feroicious bite:

Source for Icy Veins on energy and power shifting: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-classic/feral-druid-melee-dps-pve-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
feel free to DM me for anymore questions

[noble forge]

this triggers me because its literally not

how it works

maybe it worked like that on private servers but its really easy to figure out how energy ticks work:

energy ticks are on a static timer (now that I got the tick bar I believe its on a 2 second timer) if you are in cat or not isnt relevant, the timer does not reset if you swap into cat which means the only thing which matters is that you are in cat form when the tick happens, if its start or end of the tick does not matter at all

(that is actually also what that icy vein source says)

and its not what that guy said in his first video

@frosty hound

so I do agree with your source

and there is no advantage to having 80 energy instantly or having 60 and getting 20 a second later because your energy dump is a 48 energy shred

[frosty hound]

I wouldnt call it neccessary Glyph but considering how boring a lot of Vanilla is difficulty wise for pve content its nice to add a layer to it

[remote lance]

there's nothing wrong with simming to make sure you are using highest dps stuff

[frosty hound]

and depending on the content -even in vanilla (i.e.,, speedrunning) you may want to-but in retail its defninitely mandetory for most guilds in heroic or mythic content

[delicate crane]

any good weakauras for resto in classic?

[frosty hound]

What are ya hoping to track appeli

[grizzled cape]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/totally-pawesome-druid-macros-tested-in-beta-and-ready-for-classic/255251

[thick verge]

Aloha Everyone, has anyone tried DM Tribute runes Solo? i got the Boss with crap caster gear (Main Feral) and just got demolished by the boss, either i fucked up the kiting or i dont know what i should do. any tips? 😄

[dense bronze]

Don't think it will be possible at current gear level, at least not efficiently
Even geared hunters are having issues

[quaint condor]

i can do tribute runs with 2 rogues 12 min a run 50g per person for one hour

guys does hurricane not do damage to lashers???

[karmic juniper]

nope

[frosty hound]

not do damge to lashers

nope

im confused-that sounds lik ethey are immune to nature damage, correct? 😛

[karmic juniper]

@frosty hound yes

[frosty hound]

Rip

private server difference i suppose-at least I may be able to stealth run for thorium

[sick merlin]

Glad lasher's are nerfed, fuck mages

[frosty hound]

well druids cant do a great aoe farm of lashers if their immune to hurricane?

unless we just bear swip eem

[noble forge]

thats why hes glad

[karmic juniper]

it's probably not even worth it as a druid but idk

[frosty hound]

it was in pservers

but yeah im leveling a mage alt to farm my gold lol

[karmic juniper]

well yea of course it was worth on private servers

because our abilities hit them

[frosty hound]

yeah im suggesting it may be worth it if we can kill in bear form at a decent rate-the only change i know of is hurricane damage, but you still went into bear on pservers to finish them off so it may just take longer...how much longer is the question for testing

[karmic juniper]

i doubt it's worth it at that point

[frosty hound]

likewise

prob takes too long

ill test it out all the same

[dense bronze]

Technically it wasn't nerfed, it was just private servers having a lot of things wrong in DM

[quaint condor]

is there a phase 2 raid bis

dont know if i should use verdant footpads or cenarian boots

[tacit sedge]

I'm sure it's on wowhead @quaint condor

[quaint condor]

i found some just wanted to know if we had a better one here cause i have found some differences between alot of guides

[remote lance]

for pve resto get highest +healing for balance highest +arcane damage

if pvp maybe one of the two you mentioned

[frosty hound]

hey hey yo quick feral question for those killing it in Molten Core-is losing wolfshead worth getting closer to 9 percent hit with Mask of the Unforgiven? My instinct is no, but wanted to craft it out. I'm parsing well on fights (75-85) averages but want to see waht i can do to close the gap

[karmic juniper]

probably not

that helm is literally used even in tbc

[frosty hound]

no i know

i just hat emissing shreds

[upbeat knot]

ping?

[rare herald]

what's the best gold farming spot for a druid? mara or some secret dm farm?

[tough nimbus]

I get about 10g a run in ZF

[rough ginkgo]

@tough nimbus doing what?

[mental crystal]

@rough ginkgo when you find out pass the information on to me friend

[grizzled cape]

Hand of justice work in feral/bear or not?

[lone bear]

trinkets work

weapon effects do not, apart from stat.crit/hit

[grizzled cape]

thanks

[fickle garden]

Is there a flight master in darnassus?

or only in rutheran

[remote lance]

rutheran, but that's only a little bit off

[sick merlin]

@rare herald I've been doing duo tribute runs with a rogue. Pretty good gold.

[frosty hound]

what spec are you to solo the boss at the end?

[rare herald]

@sick merlin and what exactly is "pretty good gold" ? 🙂

[sick merlin]

you can sell the hit chance ring for 50-100g each to other people. As well some as some of the other blues people want. But just vendoring stuff its like 10-20g per run you can do like 4-5 runs in an hour

[frosty hound]

my favorite part about playing a feral druid in classic is having a loot council with 0 feral represenation (or any druid representation) try and tell you how your class works with 0 experience on druids

anyone else get a similar frustration? ;p

[sick merlin]

Lol what are they telling you.

I'm mostly tanking so there's like 4 pieces of gear I need total from MC so they usually just give it to me or roll with other tanks.

[frosty hound]

they just keep forgetting hit rating is really tricky for feral without talents for it

so they dont take tha tinto consideration with loot distrubition

and it kills me

[quaint condor]

Aster for druid name male tauren

nah or fine

[frosty hound]

lmfao

Aster is a good name-although it feels more femanine to me and for a tauren, feels a bit too delicate

@sick merlin they dont appreciate that for example, i may swap our QSR for two elvish bands until i get truestrike shoulders to make up for the lack of hit rating

instead they were like "RIP Warriors"

[quaint condor]

cat form dog

[frosty hound]

when they gave me QSR first week and we didnt know when P2 would drop or Elvish would be available.

i actually think thats a challenge councils are struggling with-is that with no knowledge of when gear becomes avaialble, how to project properly the swapping of gear when new things come out and the time it my or may not take

[sick merlin]

Well fury warriors can get evlish ring too

And QSR is really good for feral

[noble forge]

like sure but warriors do more dmg so they benefit more from gear assuming same attendance and player skill

[frosty hound]

@strange girder agreed, again the problem stems from i think a lack of druid respentation on the loot council

which has frustrated me enough to consider finding a different guild

if they dont fill it -it will be a month of raiding without one lol

[sick merlin]

I guess but if they are letting you raid as feral then they need to let you roll on feral gear

[frosty hound]

well the first ony kill they didnt let me roll on the head (at first, i had to advocate for it pretty hard) becuase it wouldnt be used by us well

and last weeks kill they gave it to a hit capped warrior

who pre neck was sitting at 11 percent hit

there is alot of misundersatnding or potentailly anti feral council bias lol-or again, just a lack of representation

[sick merlin]

Just sounds like they don't want to give your gear over warriors.

It's not hard to understand that all meele dps need hit chance

[noble forge]

why would you roll on a head

as a feral?

a proper loot council would not allow that ever

so ye

I think you shouldnt be allowed to do that

[sick merlin]

Why?

[noble forge]

you never use any head besides the leatherworking head

[sick merlin]

It has agi crit and hit chance

[noble forge]

so what

[sick merlin]

Ony head

The neck

[noble forge]

oh

the ony head

eh

[sick merlin]

Yeah not a helmet lol

[noble forge]

isnt that tank prio?

[sick merlin]

Yeah it should be

But after all tanks get it

[noble forge]

I guess it depends

how much you wanna min/max

[frosty hound]

lmfao this guy

our tanks arnet rolling on it anyway

anymore*

and its bis till Nefarian

for most physical dps classes taht need hit

[noble forge]

sure

but the "issue" is

[frosty hound]

if your feral druids are preforming well (which i am, have data to prove that)

[noble forge]

how bis is it

ye ofc

that matters

[frosty hound]

its better on me then other classes in the sense they can get relaible hit rating throguh talents that i cant get

so getting 9 percent hit on a feral druid is really hard

[noble forge]

you dont need 9% hit

[frosty hound]

compared to other physical dps classes

[sick merlin]

I'm pretty sure it's bis till BWL for all meele

[noble forge]

nothing magical happens at 9% hit

[frosty hound]

except your yellows can barely if not at all msis at 9 percent hit

so you know

small detail

[noble forge]

they cant miss at all

[frosty hound]

im not gonig to argue with you

@jolly yacht yeah it is

the only difference is other melee can get hit rating easier than ferals can through talents

and im beating a lot of our melee dps on fights lol

[noble forge]

warrior has no hit talents

[sick merlin]

I wasn't allowed to roll on QSR either but I'm tanking 90% of the time

So usually never dps

[frosty hound]

yeah i wanted to tank originally, then heal, then they were like-all full so they let me in a feral but

im doing pretty well as feral

[sick merlin]

Just talk to your GM if they don't want to give you gear because warriors do more damage

Find a different guild

[frosty hound]

i may have to

the GM is a bit aloof and is obv on the council too

but ill see how the next couple weeks go

[sick merlin]

You getting resto gear at least?

We never have druids so I end up picking it up

[frosty hound]

also @noble forge i believe rogues/hunters do, and weapon skill reduces the hit cap for melee dps that ferals cant benefit from because "unarmed" doesnt count towards our hit

and not really-we have 2 resto druids so i will or i do when theyre not in raid (rare) or once they have it all

im not really worried about getting gear-its more of an irritation that the council has very little idea (it seems) on how the class works and yet theyre making decisions

[noble forge]

yes rogues have 5% and upto 5 weapon skill does matter quite a bit

think reduces it by 3% for human/orcs with right weapons or others with edgemaster

[frosty hound]

human warriors need about 3-5 percent

[noble forge]

pretty sure its 6

[frosty hound]

5 without edgemasters i believe

[noble forge]

edgemaster is useless

[frosty hound]

pretty sure the guide i just read said 5

[noble forge]

for human

https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/fury-warrior-dps-stat-priority-classic-wow

according to this its 6%

[frosty hound]

aye right

[sick merlin]

Yeah only the first 5 weapon skill is really OP

Gives you 3% hit vs bosses

[frosty hound]

got a couple top 2 feral dps kills on my server for MC bosses

[meager falcon]

Why is it when I have my self cast key set to Alt everything works other then Natureswiftness healing touch macro

[ruby swan]

Still levelling my Druid to max but have any of you found good results with HotW spec in raids and dungeons?

[frosty hound]

im assuming oure going 0/40/20

we have two resto druids currently in that spec and we downed rag last night without fire resistance lol-the spec is really versitile and will likely be decent for pve content until AQ/Naxx-and even then depending on your other healers you may be able to make tiw rok

[ruby swan]

ok ty

[frosty hound]

by fire resistance sorry i mean without FR pots-our tanks had FR and some of us bothered in the dps/heal role, but yeah

[sick merlin]

@meager falcon selfcast modifier usually doesn't work with macros unless you add the modifier in the macro

Or you have to write it differently

Not sure exactly

[noble forge]

selfcast modifiers work

just have to properly write the macro

and not double bind that spell

as in not having lets say alt 3 bound somewhere else

[sick merlin]

Well I know my /cancelform /cast rejuv doesn't work with alt

Every non macro spell works fine

[noble forge]

with auto self cast enabled

or did you macro it?

[sick merlin]

No I just have alt bound to self cast in wow

Don't use alt Mods for anything else

I think you have to add alt selfcast mod in the macro itself

[noble forge]

actually just tried it

ye

weird

but it would work if you would write it in a macro

instead of the selfcast on alt thingy

I expected that to work tho, weird

[sick merlin]

I think the /cancel form messes it up

Not sure how

[noble forge]

just logged out so cant check

wonder if a /cast rejuvenation macro

would work

as in literally only that

[sick merlin]

Yeah I gotta fix my macros before pvp

But too lazy

Is there any add-ons that will just cancelform on every spell?

[frosty hound]

No Gerados I don't believe so. I've had luck with mouse over macros in classic but that's about it

Haven't tried much else tbh. I do have cancel forms but I got so used.to playing without them that I don't use then lol

[noble forge]

quite sure the alt for self cast isnt classic special

probably happens the same in retail

just almost no one uses the alt for selfcast option

[calm trellis]

Yo!! Can u recommend me any balance druid player to ask some things? come im little confuse

ok i will ask again tomorrow.. if some1 answers... just tag me

[night trellis]

@karmic juniper

[sand raven]

what rank of roots should I be using?

for reg roots & natures grasp

[mild delta]

Hey, I’m having trouble with threat generation as a feral in classic. Any idea with why this is happening? I am using cower on CD. Do Ferals just generate a lot of threat? I’m not using any talents that generate more threat.

[calm trellis]

Yo!! Can u recommend me any balance druid player to ask some things? cause m little confuse

[dense bronze]

@karmic juniper will probably be able to help

[stable vine]

Goosy

[calm trellis]

ty ❤

[remote lance]

@mild delta get a better tank 😐

Cat form actually has threat form reduction built in. I don't remember if this is there for vanilla but you definitely don't have threat bonus in cat form

[noble forge]

Also what content are we talking

In Low Level Dungeons pulling Aggro is totally fine

[willow escarp]

While I agree with everything else said here - at the end of the day pulling threat means you're dpsing too soon or too heavy for your current tank

So if you're concerned about it you'll want to make sure you have a threat tracking add-on, and if you see your name getting close to pulling threat you'll want to stop going all out on your rotation

[noble forge]

And possible Check what the tank hits

[sand raven]

you can just skip out on fero bite altogether & just use generators

just spreading rakes or shreds etc

[sick merlin]

No one is gonna be able to hold aggro if you back to back shred crit 1 second into pull

[lone bear]

if youre getting threat, just cower and youll be fine

its only single target tho. and does cost 20 energy but during dungeons it doesnt matter

if you decided not to buy it.... shame on you

its very useful for survival

[noble forge]

Or you Go bear and swipe!

[sick merlin]

"I'm the tank now"

[remote lance]

should have been that way to start

[zinc fiber]

i would never cast a spell named Cower

man the fk up

[pale plank]

I have a question

So I’m a rogue. And I got obsessed with the rogue dps spreadsheet. And figured out that 6/8 Shadowcraft and 2/2 devilsaur is actually better then most bis pages I find. But it got me thinking. Does it actually work for ferals too? It procs quite often for me as a dagger rogue. I wonder how it would be for ferals

[ruby swan]

Looking to play HotW/NS build when rading and doing dungeons at 60. But I have a question about gear, should I still be looking for +healing gear or just gear with a lot of intellect?

[remote lance]

+healing

int doesn't do anything for you other than max mana, which you won't need given current fight length and with proper downranking

[ornate current]

for anyone here: have you ever been asked as a druid in classic to innervate a shadow priest as a feral in MC? this came up and I had not heard of it being a thing. does this make sense as a strategy to you all (didn't play original vanilla)

[noble forge]

Is He in the loot council

But If No one Else needs innervates sure

[ruby swan]

@remote lance but dose that apply to HotW spec as well? sense we get 20% more int from sources wouldn't it be just better getting more int for more spell crit and bigger mana pool?

[solid kiln]

can a 60 druid be used to powerlevel? would the thorns and heals be noticeable?

[lavish mist]

How many MCP would you recommend bringing to each raid?

[frosty hound]

@lavish mist really depends on how often youre going to use them. some fights are really bad MCP fights and some fights you may be asked to heal or decurse. I think Shazzrah is a good example of an MC fight I don't bother with-but I use one on Magamadar, Golemagg, and Garr. It also depends how quick your guilds clears work-I'd say bring about 5 or so and see how a night goes

until you get a better feel anyway for how your guilds kll speeds are

[lavish mist]

this is for someone who is looking to tank not dps aswell

[frosty hound]

ooo

you get more mileage out of MCP as a tank

because you typically just need to use it on the opener for high TPS

and then can save the charges afterwards

[lavish mist]

so 5 use it in open then swap to wardens

[frosty hound]

yeah

[lavish mist]

Aight

[frosty hound]

so that would give you 15 charges

so youd have room to use two if threats an issue

[lavish mist]

Ahh cool thanks

[frosty hound]

of course np

nice job on the warden staff, i settled for hte undying maul from DM North tribute

[remote lance]

@ruby swan not really. Mana pool is irrelevant unless you run out which you dont right now. Even if you were spi mp5 and proper downranking gives better return. Just because hotw gives 20% more value doesnt necessarily mean you stack it

[verbal cobalt]

running around open world as feral would you value briarwood or counterstrike lodestone more (thinking wpvp)

[frosty hound]

would depend if i feel i have enoguh +dmg in spells or other stats

gratz on a loadstone, i havent had one drop yet

[ruby swan]

@remote lance okey so even if i play HotW i should go for +Healing and downranking? becas i dont want to go full resto or the moonglow spec

[remote lance]

yes, +healing is generally your preferred stat for pve healing (pvp is different since you actually can go oom in short burst that having a bigger mana pool is good), within reason

giving up 50 int for 1 healing is probably not the best of idea, just to make an exaggerated example

[ruby swan]

okey

[spring dome]

which specc/talents would you suggest for a fresh 60 resto druid with a few t1 pieces for non-specific raid-healing (i.e. not MT healer etc.) and dungeons

[frosty hound]

Nature swiftness HOTW is good

good for pvp and pve healing

[cloud prawn]

does melee hit work on growl? is it 7% for cap?

[jade flicker]

hi, what would be the best stats for feral when leveling? and i will be able to heal on dungeons 40+ as feral? or it would be easier to tank?

[frosty hound]

you can heal dungeons till mid 40s without any healing gear

but youir tank gear wil double up

and agi/str pieces are really good for raw damage

[jade flicker]

oks, so what greens should i buy for my feral, agi/stam or str/stam ?

[willow escarp]

I found that around ZF it starts getting difficult to heal as feral spec. Even with healing gear, your heals take a long time to cast and without reflection you really need to pay attention to the five second rule. It can be done, but you’ll need a well geared tank and you’ll need DPS to be careful about pulling aggro.... especially since you can’t Rez them

[frosty hound]

Agi over STR

so agi stam or gear with agi /str both

[jade flicker]

cool, thanks for your advice ppl.

[noble forge]

there wont be any issue healing 50+ dungeons in feral specc

the hotw specc is practically feral specc

obviously need gear to swap to tho

[blissful wharf]

leveling up is hard

especially when i can't find people to do quests with me

[solid kiln]

i am powerleveling my druid with a 60 priest - should I spec into bear or cat?

[remote lance]

cat talent, you can still tank fine as bear, just a bit less damage

[blissful wharf]

so a feral druid is good?

[noble forge]

For leveling yes quite good

At max Level its okay

[frosty hound]

im doing pretty well so far in raids @blissful wharf Aconites on Grobbulus is the name-feel free to look at logs and ask any questions bout cat form or tanking in MC ;p

[blissful wharf]

okay 🙂

[solid kiln]

@remote lance yeah, I was thinking that with a priest healing my druid, i could aoe pull.. not sure if that is better than killing faster as a cat though

[blissful wharf]

gave up on some of the quests in darkshore as they’re hard to do alone so my friend got me to go somewhere else aka iron forge and other places to quests for easier ones

[shadow forum]

Any1 has a good feral classic wa set?

[river locust]

is there a nice feral leveling build tweaked for wpvp in mind?

or any feral classic pins/links?

[frosty hound]

one of the best parts of feral pvp for leveling is 5/5 furor and brutal impact for increased stuns

[noble forge]

Dunno i feel Like tweeking more for world PvP really fucks with your dps as in getting furor early

[willow escarp]

IMO there’s not a great wpvp feral build. Furor and Feral Charge would be the extent of it but it really hurts to be 5 levels slower to Leader of the Pack

[noble forge]

ye pretty much my thought too

Natures grasp too

nice but getting it that early hurts

for like lvl 39 twinks im sure you can do some stuff

[frosty hound]

i definitely leveled with 5/5 furor and and with Omen and didnt feel the LOTP too much

but its personal preference-getting brutal charge was really helpful on an active pvp server

[noble forge]

not only leader also heart is missing

[polar verge]

Why is it
that all the beasts I fight can parry my attacks, but I can’t parry theirs? :(

[remote lance]

Bears are true beasts

[spring dome]

Hey guys! Anybody got some Healbot Continued Skin which I can use and can get inspirations by or somebody know where I can geht some decent WoW Classic (Druid) Healbot Continued Skins? much love ❤

[proven zodiac]

Any other max level feral druid raid dps out there?

[frosty hound]

Meee

[blissful wharf]

is the lupine vest of the money good as it has +4 agility and +4 stamina

monkey

[verbal cobalt]

I'm 1 item away from BiS as a feral cat for raids. I only pretend to know what I'm doing.

[blissful wharf]

found a hat i like but not in the 50s

wanting to be a feral healer

[mental crystal]

first learn how to take screenshots

[blissful wharf]

i know how to i took it to show my friend..

[frosty hound]

Plus healing items are dope as it scales really well with fast fights. Mp5 is a trap stat once you get involved with good groups clearing things quickly

[proven zodiac]

what my bank is starting to look like

https://i.imgur.com/yCAlXz7.png

[agile basin]

does improved rejuv make swiftmend heal for more? I have read that it doesn't until 2.0.1

[sick merlin]

@proven zodiac oh baby

[jade glade]

😄

[hushed willow]

as feral dps, 24str or 15agi+4str ?

[tender scarab]

Agi my man that's .75% crit as well

[frosty hound]

yeah its 20 agi =1 crit

and crits make a world of difference due to the bonus CP they give

[shell rover]

anything special bears should be doing for p2?

[frosty hound]

for pvp?

yeah dont play bear spec

[noble forge]

I find that unlikely that 15 agi beats 20 strength

[ocean kernel]

It depends on the current stats imo

Feral needs both str and agi

And also cat gets +20%str so it’s 15agi vs 24str. Pretty sure str wins it

[sick merlin]

Str slightly beats out agility from stuff I've seen

Taladril weighs each point of str at 2.4 and agi at 2.1

[willow escarp]

from a pure theory craft perspective that's true (and thus likely from an end game raiding perspective also true). I will say though that if you're not 60 and you're still leveling, agi likely beats out str every time. 1 or 2 extra attack power will not reduce your time to kill a mob, but a crit certainly will.

[noble forge]

unless you ever press bear

in which case strength gets a lot better

[willow escarp]

also true

[noble forge]

and im also not sure about that theory with the crit thing

I have heard that before but it sounds wrong

its also like 40 AP

and not 1 or 2

[willow escarp]

well in the example at hand its 48AP vs 15AP + crit. so 33 AP difference. Every 14 AP increases your DPS by 1, so it boils down to about 2.5 DPS increase flat from the pure AP perspective

[noble forge]

eh

no

not really

[willow escarp]

How so?

[noble forge]

because im pretty sure the 14 ap to 1 dps means on your character sheet

not actually 1 dps

because your ap obviously scales with your crit

so its not a flat dps increase

[ocean kernel]

Yep the dps is the weapon dps on the sheet

It translate to more than 1 or 2 damage per sec

[noble forge]

it also ignores abilities

because of that

[willow escarp]

Do any feral abilities actually scale with AP though? I thought Bite/Claw all just did flat bonus to your normal damage

[noble forge]

which means they scale with ap

bite doesnt do your normal dmg it just scales with ap

but "your normal damage" thats ap scaling

[willow escarp]

true true - I guess I meant additionally, since if it's just an AA reset it's not really additionally scaling

[noble forge]

its a special ability

not an aa reseet

that would work different

[willow escarp]

fair, but my point is that it's not an additional consideration for dps calculation

[noble forge]

but it is

[willow escarp]

Well it's moot because the only difference is the "white" damage. So far we have white damage and bite that scale with AP

[noble forge]

and yellow dmg

actually not sure about bleeds

if they scale

shred and claw does

[willow escarp]

Claw bonus damage does scale?

[noble forge]

no?

but base damage does

[willow escarp]

fine

I'm just trying to simplify here. We can remove the nonscaling part and Claw boils down to white damage... which is already being discussed

[noble forge]

kinda sure

but that means the 14 dps is wrong

and has to be increased

[willow escarp]

I guess we'd need to sim it at this point because it seems I'm not actually clear on how AP effects this stuff. I'm pretty sure it's not 1:1

aka 1AP is not the same as 1 DPS

[noble forge]

shred is 225%

claw is 100%

so same as auto

[willow escarp]

bite is unclear "scales"

Shred is also very conditional

on being in a group

[noble forge]

kinda hard to find bite ratios ye

ive heard somewhere it has same scaling on 4 and 5 CP

but no idea which

[willow escarp]

oh interesting

So, I guess I also can see where AP would scale better than the "weapon sheet dps" too since cats get essentially dual wield attacks

[noble forge]

yes if we would only assume claw and lets say a claw is cast every 3s (im aware thats too often) that would already be 14+ 14/3 dps

and thats ignoring the claw talent for example too

[willow escarp]

So I guess I'll amend my original statement to be - at least think about time to kill from a leveling stat weight perspective. It seems that it may be easier than I thought for Str to impact that. Also, for end game content I absolutely agree that str will often outweigh agi. You want reliable dps and Shred scales incredibly well off AP.

[noble forge]

I think the crit vs ap is really hard to say, and originally afaik thats more for warriors

which does make more sense for them cause of 2 handers

[willow escarp]

right that makes sense

[sick merlin]

Was tanking MC with full buffs last night. So much fun

Wearing full cat gear + pummelers

Was like 40k threat above everyone

[quaint zephyr]

During the leveling process, should I be able to heal dungeons at least through BRD as Feral?

[sick merlin]

As long as you have healing gear you should be okay assuming your group isn't being dumb

Just bring lots of water

[wise scroll]

Hey druids, how do you manage to farm Gold efficiently as restoration? I just hit 60 a few weeks ago and my plan to farm lashers in DME obviously doenst work.

[wheat hemlock]

Dm north, first boss + bug farm. Ebbnflow has a good vid on it

Is doable as deep resto, much better with a balance/resto build

I normally respec between raid nights if I’m planning on spending a significant amount of time farming, but definitely doable without respeccing every time

[dense bronze]

got to be farming for quite a while to make it worth it
100g just in respecs

[wise scroll]

Thanks! Whats the g/h with this method?

Is "no skinning" a big issue since the bugs are skinnable

[wheat hemlock]

I get 20-30g an hour with no skinning, not sure how much you get with skinning

Yeah, the time i save probably only just makes up for respec costs, but i just find it more fun to farm as balance

[wise scroll]

Seems worth a try, i didnt find any good method until now

[wheat hemlock]

Would definitely recommend watching a video on it if you’ve not seen it before, its not complicated but just requires jumping on/off a ledge to kite

I’ve heard maraudon is good too but not tried it personally

[frosty hound]

you can farm Mara princess runs

as resto

not bad gph, more if yer a herbalist-either vendor or offer to carry stealthies for the hit ring at the end for gold

you can do princess and the goblin for sure-some people say theyve been able to do rotgrib but his bleed is pretty deadly-i think the idea is bash and kite back a bit to let it drop off when it becomes unmanagable.

[sick merlin]

@wise scroll find a geared rogue and duo tribute runs

Should be fairly easy as resto

[frosty hound]

yeah you can kite the caster by stnading ontop where the ghosts are and have the rogue zerg/burn chogall

erm king gordok lol

wrong ogres

[ocean kernel]

Saw duo rogue/resto run dm east too

Requires herbalism and miner to be efficient though

[sick merlin]

You're propably better off running with warrior or prot pally for those

Don't need stealth for jump runs

I'd be interested to see how rogue and druid does it though. Those bosses hit pretty hard

[wheat hemlock]

have any of you been able to duo tribute runs? when i've tried the rogue just gets two shot by mortal strike into auto

might just need better gear but her gear isnt bad, i'm expecting there's a good chance we're just overlooking something

[sick merlin]

Most of the videos ive seen the rogues have pretty good gear.

They just evasion tank and druid heals then through

https://youtu.be/1GrSZdrrZ74

[remote lance]

bloodfang for classic is fakenews right now

reported for false advertising video

[sick merlin]

Lol

Clickbait pictures

Rogue is wearing a nightslayer helm in video

SMH

[wheat hemlock]

what i'm hearing is just blame the rogue when she dies

Might give it another shot at some point then

[sick merlin]

I do it as feral/rogue so can't give you many tips

[remote lance]

That is correct. He should have DODGED

[sick merlin]

I watched another viseo, rogue was wearing full BWL gear and he was dropping very low anyway

Ghost strike seems to help a lot

[dense bronze]

Don't trust private server videos

[thin moth]

Been trying to find a good “one size fits all spec” that uses HOTW. Any suggestions?

[alpine kayak]

Hotw/ns

Is a go to usually

[frosty hound]

what Brewtank said

i will say though as 11/31/5 i'm able to do pretty well in tanking/dps (its a pve talented feral dps build) and off healing in raid content. pvp will be a little trickier but that can be off set by really good or half decent pvp pieces.

for example i got bone ring helm recently off scholo which is a 30 stam and multi stated helm everywhere else..and lots of little gear like that with some +dmg/healing will make any build better as you can play the hybrid role

[thin moth]

Is there a variation that’s useable without NS?

[frosty hound]

you coul dgo without NS but its a really good talent if youre going to dip that far into resto

depending on the content youre doing and the role you want to fill really shifts things up to-one of the charms (for some) in classic is the need to respec and tinker builds for differnet content. and understanding you have to sacriifice some elements of what you want to do (in terms of doing it "as well") to do well in other areas. otherwise, the HOTW/NS build is a good overall build with some master of none, jacks of all trades play styles.

[thin moth]

Ah. I was playing around with an 8/30/13 build but wasn’t sure if the 15% regen would keep my healing high enough to work. I usually end up having to tank. I’m not expecting to excel in any aspect I really just want something that “works” for PvE but is a lot of fun PvP/wPvP without paying for respecs

[sick merlin]

@frosty hound you can also just run like half feral gear and throw on some cenarion pieces

@thin moth yeah hotw spec is what you want. Some people pick up ldr of the pack others grab nature swiftness

Just depend what you're gonna be doing more

Pvp oriented you're gonna want NS

Pve oriented you'll want ldr of the pack if you're tanking/dpsing a lot

[thin moth]

@sick merlin Is there a middleground HOTW where you sacrifice NS and Ldr? I just want to be able to apply actual pressure in feral more than truly dps. And the reason I’m asking about avoiding NS is so I can keep (resto side) imp MOTW, Furor, Reflection and (balance side) Natural Shapeshifter

For instance is something like this actually viable?

[sick merlin]

Yeah I would drop imp motw

Imo

Usually it's just 31/20 or 30/20

30/21*

And you really want insect swarm for pvp

You're gonna be kiting a lot

Etc

@thin moth https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/0140002-540202130320215-0550031

Maybe something like that

Only thing is you might have threat issues without threat talents

But should be fine for dungeons

[thin moth]

Ah ty

[sick merlin]

Yeah don't think imp motw is worth it if you're already spreading out so thin

The healing touch cast reduction is gonna help a lot more for healing etc

[thin moth]

Yeah I don't really spend enough time in bear form during PvP to warrant it

[sick merlin]

I'm full tank spec atm and it's so bad for pvp

[thin moth]

You might still give rogues a hard time lol

[sick merlin]

Yeah it's not too bad just sitting in bear form vs rogues/warriors

But not having decreased shifting cost really sucks

[frosty hound]

Yeah Gerados I got some Cenarion and similar stated pieces for my pvp gear even as deep feral build. Especially good since I get the 5 percent hit cap from my.gear while also having tons of Stam

[sick merlin]

Is 5 the cap for pvp?

[frosty hound]

aye

[frosty hound]

Yeah hunters in dueling give me the most trouble if they're not total garbage...they hit so hard I can get then to about 1/4 hp. But my gear is incomplete and he was in 5 or 4 piece tier 1, raid gear, and best in slot weps. The biggest thing was the stam so I think I've off set.that a bit because dps pve gear isn't good for dueling lol

[sick merlin]

I don't think you can beat good hunters

Until Mana drain is fixed

You need to be able to ignore viper stings by going into form.

But they can just drain all your Mana while you sit in bear/cat form

It's gg

Patch 1.4 - Viper Sting - This spell can no longer be used on warrior and rogue targets. In addition, while it can be used on a druid target at any time it will only drain mana when the druid is in caster form.

[frosty hound]

yeah thats pretty bonkers

if i even go to caster to get a heal i get blown upb y multi shot crits too

its fucking bonkers

[frosty hound]

@sick merlin what do you think of this pvp build

https://legacy-wow.com/vanilla-talents/druid-talents/?tal=01400300000000005302021323202151050500100000000

[noble forge]

doesnt seem too great

[frosty hound]

i didnt ask ya

[noble forge]

🤷

go ahead and specc insect swarm as full feral

seems amazing

if you wanna use stuff like that going mana regen seems no brain

Also you know that you can dm someone

There are some amazing technologies Out there

[frigid robin]

[frosty hound]

maybe i wanted his and people who are knowledgable about druids opinion on a quick home brewed spec ^_^

[karmic juniper]

why would you post it in a public channel then if you weren't ok with others opinions

[solid tendon]

Hi, I have a question about druid tanking in vanilla. I have people telling me that I need the 9% hit cap for tanking, but is it possible to get away with a lower % for more mitigation? Say, during MC, is 9% the end all, be all or can I go with like 6-7% and still be viable?

BiS guides are very unclear about this, and I tanked in vanilla and never focused on hit as a druid. So it's a bit of a change.

[pliant inlet]

what is our BiS pre raid and P1 BiS list

i cant find a list anywhere

[wicked ravine]

Being hit capped negates the chance to have your taunt fail.

[zinc fiber]

@karmic juniper hi is it ok if i DM u a question?

[gloomy delta]

hey guys what do u think of the build plz
basically i want to go full bear without sacrificing "Natural shapeshifter" and "Feline Swiftness" , so i put 4/5 on "Thick hide", "Feral instinct" and "Furor"
80% change to generate rage/energy is pretty good, and i can always shift out/in if it misses.

[noble forge]

@gloomy delta whats the purpose of that build

so pvp/pve/pure tank?

[gloomy delta]

@noble forge pve and potential raiding

[noble forge]

so whats the point of natural shapeshifter or furor if you want to purely tank?

or feline swiftness

or is it a leveling specc?

[zinc fiber]

@gloomy delta lol what is your discord icon? is that a cat? it looks funny

[sick merlin]

@wicked ravine taunt is spell hit not meele hit if I remember correctly

[gloomy delta]

@noble forge for some side pvp, i know i have to sacrifice something, but im trying to do an all around medium build

[noble forge]

if you are interested in pvp, I dont think 4/5 furor is acceptable pretty much have to go 5/5

[sick merlin]

^

[noble forge]

would prolly fully drop thick hide

[sick merlin]

That would suck when. It doesn't work lol

[noble forge]

ye

[sick merlin]

And you try to bash or feral charge

[noble forge]

also not having the extra CP in cat form seems hard

[sick merlin]

If you want to skip on something you should get rid of thick hide

If you have good gear it's not too bad for tanking without

[gloomy delta]

ok ty guys, so of what i understood, the best thiing i can sacrifice if i want to keep this build is thick hide, do u guys in your experience believes feral swiftness to be a better utility than thick hide for every day playing

[noble forge]

basically why I asked before it depends on what you do

for tanking obviously not, for pvp/cat stuff ofc

[north canopy]

does anyone know ... if this weapon works in cat form? I know hoj does .... https://classic.wowhead.com/item=9423/the-jackhammer#dropped-by

[karmic lark]

No.

You have to hit something with the hammer, and in classic cat form attacks are their paws, not the weapons

[fallow folio]

Does anyone have any gear recommendations for pvp? Wanted to go Resto

[wheat hemlock]

generally just anything with high int/stam

i dont know of a specific setup, but t1 is pretty good in general i believe if you have the chance to get that

[fallow folio]

Full 8/8? Cause I was thinking about using just 5 and having some other stuff

[sick merlin]

5 is propably good, some of the pieces are really bad like bracers

[fallow folio]

I was gonna use the bracers just to get set bonus

But not sure yet

[uneven tangle]

how much healing per 1 mp5 is it for classic druid?