engie is the only prof that benefits you in combat
#classic
sand raven
cerulean halo
alchemy for raids is always op, hard to decide whats best
sand raven
alchemy only saves you money
cerulean halo
and LW i need for 2 BiS
sand raven
you can buy the LW pieces off the AH for cheap (you're thinking of wolfshead right?)
wolfshead is a PAIN to get legit, & very cheap on ah
cerulean halo
ah hmm
maybe best i reach lvl 60 and then worry about prof xD
any weak auras you recommend for bear
sand raven
the only thing I use is a faerie fire tracker
also use the Buffwatch addon to track the buffs I put on the group
near leaf
So I retooled some gear (~4g on my server) and have +65 Arcane Spell Damage at level 33. More general damage next level when I can wear sm lib dagger.
This balance thig ain't so bad now that gear is more optimized.
Starfire and Moonfire hurt so much I can do 5-6 mobs before drinking
fresh jay
Does thorns benefit form +nature damage?
cold moth
At level 29, what is the skill im probably underusing the most?
feral build, I like to start with faerie fire
Then morph to cat etc
lone bear
you get ravage at 32?
cold moth
ferocious bite you mean?
maiden current
Ravage at 30 and Bite at 32. (I remember ravaging before bitting hope Im right)
near leaf
If u can open with ravage ensure you Tiger's Fury beforehand.
Otherwise it's just faerie fire, rake, claw, claw, claw claw claw claw claw. Throw in Ferocious Bite somewhere i n there
If multiple mobs then Bear, Demo Roar, Maul maul maul maul maul
near leaf
That depends what ur doing ๐ Intentionally aoe farming swipe is good, but if it's like 2 mobs then maul is def faster
lone bear
swipe only hits 3
terse parrot
on some guide i saw maul no matter what solo lvling
i assume its to kill 1 quickly so 1 less mob attacking you
maiden current
Maul can crit for a lot of dmg. Took a rogue down a lot of his health from a maul crit. Felt good. I think swipe does very little damage (at least at 33) but havent tested too much.
lone bear
ooh wolfshead stacks, 60 energy+ 20 tick after an ability
sand raven
i swipe on 2 targets
in dungeons I basically never maul except on bosses
with Maul you're spending rage, with no maul you're generating rage with white attacks to spend on more Swipes
killing 1 enemy at a time isn't time efficient, you want to be AoEing as much as humanly possible. If you have a group of mages & locks ideally every single mob dies at the exact same second, that's how you maximize damage & time
solid kiln
as a priest more focused on PVP, would a hybrid resto druid be a fun alt? I do like healing in pvp, but the war of attrition and mobility is pretty damn sweet as well
it is probably just the lackluster perception of druids in classic that holds me bavk
maiden current
Got to get in there and change the perception!
fresh jay
Tbh druid output is great, healing touch is one of the hardest hitting healing spells in the game
And you will have ns
Only downside is mana
Which in pvp you can get out of combat and drink
So i guess they are decent?
grave notch
they have a bad reputation but they aren't as bad as they are made out to be
lone bear
we have thorns and barkskin, 2 HoTs, healing touch does have a long cast time but if youve baited out their cc then you can free cast. everything is expensive but powerful
ps we have clearcast :3
sand raven
has anyone thought about using Omen of Clarity for a healer druid? You equip a fast swinging dagger & whenever you get the chance autoattack something & hope it procs, when it does that's a free max rank healing touch right there
solid kiln
hm if I have 200 ping, will shapeshifting be awkward or impossible?>
just rolled an alt, but then i remembered that my ping is fairly high
lone bear
isnt there a function that helps out pingy people?
rapid wind
No, just do some research on your macros and you should be fine.
remote lance
Laggy people are blessed with true vanilla experience
rapid wind
Anyone have a good farm spot as a bear I did ok in SM yesterday on my own want to farm gold lol
remote lance
Susanexpress
rapid wind
been beating other players pretty well +2 levels but this rogue killed me pretty fast was 51 to my 44 ๐ฆ
I think I lost so fast simply due to the level variance...
oh well all of them go on the KOS list
I use a macro that prowls cat forms, rakes and pounces ๐
though of course have a separate cat form one also
#showtooltip
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:3]
/cast [noform:3] Cat Form
/cast [nocombat, nostealth] Prowl; [stealth] Pounce; [nostealth] Shred
/startattack [nostealth]
Change shred to whatever out of stealth cat form ability you want in it, i use rake here instead
rapid wind
hibernate is awesome if you are herbing or mining near animals and you can use it as a Cc vs other druids
mint geyser
Is there any way to get floating combat text for healing done to allies in classic?
rapid wind
Can install some addons for that I am sure
mint geyser
Anyone know of an addon that works? I've tried multiple "fixes" and none have worked
karmic juniper
zinc fiber
really enjoying clASSic
rapid wind
You used to be able to manipulate the text with advanced interface options but the last few update seemed to have removed that
noble forge
For leveling id prefer quite a Bit of spirit
rapid wind
@cold moth I don't believe so, as many folks for certain types of spells recommend using the lower ones. I never trained anything past rank 1 of entangling roots
Yeah and well for that type of spell not sure if the mana costs at least at lower level merits using the higher ones
right
the purpose is to get them off you for "Just a second" so lol you will eventually break the damage
One tip for druids is get into pvp situations and focus on keeping a clear mind on execution... it's easy to panic and start shifting needlessly (I am still doing it but getting way better)
i have a video of a sweet revenge kill on this ganking mage, but sheesh I always see how bad my shifting is or how I could have optimized it... take videos of and critically analyze yourself ๐
Never trained starfire, hurricane or tranquility yet lol
rapid wind
One side benefit is if / when I go back to play some retail; I will be a lot better at feral ๐
vague iris
you got a agression problem maybe?
main marsh
Yes, any tips and tricks
vague iris
are you asking how to tank as a feral?
vague iris
whatever
cold moth
guys
anyone familiar with a green staff in the 20-40 range that has 100 armour on it?
seems amazing for bear tanks in that range
cold moth
i dont actually think it was that but holy crap
cold moth
is that how much it is?
cold moth
any ideas if there are any others?
im sure i remember seeing something else with armour on it
noble forge
warden staff
cold moth
aye it was green
noble forge
and I think there is a further mace later on
cold moth
so not that
cold moth
I'm a level 33 druid, usually tank but I go cat sometimes, with the dps rotation for cat at that level do you just spam shred?
torpid musk
I shred if behind =nd and other wise claw remember also your cp goes away so if it's gonna die bite or claw instead if you have the energy for that but not shred
Multi dotting upsets tanks
Can go bear for are but it's clunky to get rage for swipe and not have aggro
Anyway feral resto hybrid fight a shaman yet? Not yet for me. Rogues yes try to keep facing be in bear try to and get rejuv bark abolish but avoid stun in caster cat
Ive taken apart higher level mages also
Oh another tip make sure you have flammable macros for shifts to form as you can end up out of form when you push or spam when stun / incap
steady bone
@cold moth there are only 4 Staffs with armor:
Warden Staff (epic)
Staff of Protection (green)
Feral Staff (rare)
Ironbark Staff (epic)
vague iris
llvl 30 onwards, where to lvl as alliance?
noble forge
think low 30s I quested some in hilsbrad and early Stranglethorn quests
did one kraul and one gnome run
prolly coulda gone to desolace
cold moth
Thanks Eddie
sand raven
does anyone know of a similar list for Druids?
amber crypt
normal sleet
demo was bugged i believe and produced more than it should, not sure if they fixed it already or not
tawdry wave
druids have resurrect besides rebirth in classic ,right? last time i checked with my trainer he didnt offer to train a regular resurrect (almost lvl 20 tauren druid)
noble forge
no
grave notch
rebirth is the only res druids have
tawdry wave
ah ok
lone bear
is feral staff a real item? its not got a list of where it drops
rapid wind
I dunno why but when i step off of an area that is considered (inside) a good few seconds before can shift lol
low steeple
@tawdry wave druid didn't get normal rez until lk if I remember right
There was definitely time during bc when we didn't have it
lone bear
@rapid wind you mean to travel form? it takes a few seconds for outdoors/indoors to realise itself
also if you go in certain parts of water and swim a bit, youll change to humanoid form cause it thinks youre outside of water from swim form
lone vigil
Is it typical to use hurricane on CD in dungeons as cat haha
frigid carbon
@rapid wind you can speed it up recognizing if you're outside by stopping then shifting. I have the same problem in retail. If you stay in motion the server takes longer to register where you are.
But soon as you stop moving and shift, its instant
cold moth
L29 dps druid here, how much should I be using tigers fury at this point
fierce herald
Not at all.
fierce herald
Kinda sad but it's complete trash in classic
vague iris
just like in retail ;D
cold moth
ok thnx
vague iris
but with 31?32? you get bite, thats nice
cold moth
yeah im waiting for that, 32 iirc
rapid wind
I use it before a ravage and pretend that its going to buff it so I get a massive crit, it worked against this ganking higher level mage ๐
881 crit not too shabby and he was in panic wrestling mode after that ๐
cold moth
Pounce maybe, that's learnt at level 32
noble forge
just found out I made like 30g with cooking so far
simply by buying food and vendoring the cooked thing
noble forge
currently mostly tiger meat and red wolf
vague iris
bought as in bought from ah?
noble forge
yes
vague iris
recipe from?
lone vigil
so, the wolfshead helm, is it meant to give us 10 rage?
chrome nova
Yes
lone vigil
Ah, tooltip says 5
It's gonna be hard to give it up
At least for dungeons on demand 20 rage is nice
Got the trinket recipe to drop. Once I make my devilsaur and warbear gear I'll drop skinning for enchanting
rapid wind
You might not give it up for a while ;0
lone vigil
What, enchanting? I mean after I make my devilsaur and warbear gear, skinning would be a lot less necessary
rapid wind
wolfshead helm
covert rover
Can buy that off others anyway
wicked hatch
Do pure bear builds ever take Feral Aggression, for the Demo Roar power-up? If not, why? Not good enough?
rapid wind
I dunno... but I wouldn't take it as there area a lot better choices even if I was just going to tank though perhaps I might run out but ๐
near mirage
Regarding earlier travel form when exiting indoors, it works both ways, and somewhat connected to latency. Sometimes you can run (or fly in later expansions) all the way inside buildings for a while before it catches up.
if you stop running, it instantly triggers the switch tho.
at least in my experience.
rugged zenith
It's called rubber banding
I think something about how the game compensate with different latency of players, so the server tried to make everyone register their stuff at same time regardless of latency. (Server Heartbeat?)
noble forge
If you strave you instantly get unmounted
lone vigil
I know bear prefers the Bone Ring Helm for stamina reasons, but I do love more rage
soft crystal
i know dumb question but was bear good for anything end game wise
royal fossil
yea to innervate the priests
lone vigil
Every group I've tanked with has said I hold aggro better and am less squishy than a warrior
Plus I bring mark
cunning nacelle
Subject costs
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rapid wind
@lone vigil Yeah but honestly at this point, it's probably a player skill thing vs. optimal abilities, etc.
Though for this stuff I think as long as you learn what you can do you can be decent enough
cold moth
Hey, does anyone have an addon for hot/buff tracking on the default raidframes in classic?
rapid wind
Check twitch there might be something there just search for aura or buff. Though not entirely sure what exactly you want to do so it's hard to suggest ๐
I haven't even trained a rank of starfire yet lol
lone vigil
I play tanks on retail so I'm just assuming I have more tanking skill than random people in classic
I actually use frenzied Regen when needed haha
Need to use barkskin more though
limber hollow
I'd be interested in hearing the situations where you felt you needed either
rapid wind
You use frenzied when you want to survive but remember your rage generation will be lower so you wont be able to do a lot of things while its up or as much
a good time to use it is if you or your healer are low mana
Barkskin since its a short CD you can try to break away from a group and pop it up quick with a rejuv and back down into bear form
I thinkwhat will help you with your overall tanking and damage mitigation is not looking for places where you NEED to use them but try to fit them into your situations s much as possible to make you more efficient
lone vigil
probably just a pserver thing
I tried strafing and hitting shred and nothing was happening
fallow folio
I want to make a macro where it goes into Bear Form then uses Feral Charge, but my Wolfshead Helm doesnt take effect fast enough. Anyone know how I could do this?
rapid wind
you can do it but it will take two presses
you can even link other melee abilities to that macro as well since feral charge only works at range
fallow folio
Would that still be in 1 macro though?
rapid wind
wait im getting it for you
fallow folio
Ok ty
rapid wind
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:1/3]
/cast [noform:1/3] Dire Bear Form
/cast [noform:1/3] Bear Form
/use [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Feral Charge
/cast [form:1] bash
/cast [form:3,stealth] ravage; shred
So if in any form other than cat or bear will put you into bear on first press then charge at range or bash in melee
if you happen to be in cat form, it will ravage if stealth, otherwise shred
The FC component prioritizes a mouseover and then a target
less damage yes
but
you can still do some damage but have a ton more mana
I have a lot of str agility gear and "some" int stuff but I am really hating my mana pool lol
I would test it out....I know that for what I am doing I would like a balance so for now i just take the best of what I get and use it and will worry more about it what to keep once I have some gear that's going to last a while
fallow folio
Also do the uses for the Manual Crowd Pummeler ever recharge?
Alright thats what I thought
rapid wind
I dunno I never played anything but feral until like draenor i think lol so not sure how to do balance that well
it's a personal preference thing are you a NE or a tauren ?
fallow folio
That macro isnt working btw
rapid wind
I putone point in as a NE since we dont get warstomp... what i can do is againt rogues or warriors or whatever it can give you a bit of room if it goes off to land some hots to actually get some abilities off
they hit you a lot an dstuff so even at 35% it goes off quite fast usually
But it depends on if you want to push the extra button ๐
I always debate the same thing the last few days. I watched some feral streamers do either. Some like thick hide the other likes the less able to see in stealth. I have heard one guy say he doesn't feel the stealth improvement is that big of a deal. Thea rmor will always help vs any melees though useless vs casters
judgement call
@fallow folio What's the issue with it, been using it all week ๐ I will try to help
fallow folio
It was saying not in bear form or not enough rage
Let me play around with it
1 min
rapid wind
Do you have furor or wolfshead helm ?
rapid wind
It will not only work if you have en ough rage to charge when you hit the button
you should be good
lone vigil
equip: on weapons works in cat form or no?
rapid wind
Only thing on your weapon that matters is the stats for feral in this instance of wow
lone vigil
and equip effects
okay, so yeah, this 1% hit on this one hander ISN'T terrible, but I don't have an offhand to go with it
rapid wind
Seems to work fine testing all the abilitites
lone vigil
I'll just keep my crowd pummeler for now
fallow folio
Yea the macro wont work and i dont know why :(
shell scroll
With what class do we have more problems in PVP?
lone vigil
Hmm, they changed the pre-raid BiS for ferals on the classicbis site
I guess they realized 1% hit and 2% crit was stronger than 29 str
shell scroll
@cold moth ty men
lone vigil
Has anyone been able to get the 20str food recipe?
lone bear
mhm, on equip stuff on weapons like hit and crit work, proc effects dont since we arent hitting the mob with weapon
does anyone know if our rebirth works in combat?
atomic torrent
noble forge
no
mental crystal
vanilla was the real game, people don't know how EASY wow is these days ๐
remote lance
totally jinx
mental crystal
didn't just push one button 
fresh jay
Whats the cat form prowl macro?
/cast cat form /cast prowl is not working like i would like to
rapid wind
basic one is this
#showtooltip Prowl
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:3]
/cast [noform:3] Cat Form
/cast !Prowl
I also include rake, and pounce in that one too to save binds
Another sweet video, I got ganked 3v1 by 2 rogues and a shaman, and then in the aftermath, I hunted one of the rogues and the shaman down and recorded their respected 1v1 deaths ๐
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main marsh
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frigid robin
opaque holly
So I've heard various opinion from hearing "Don't bother" to "It's pretty good".. So I suppose I'll ask here as well. How viable is restoration in the late game? I've heard that they have a lot of utility, but that their healing spells aren't that good? But something about that healing spell thing won't really sink in..
Is it true?
Because I'm sure as hell not playing a disgusting dwarf priest, just to heal
noble forge
Game isnt hard AS a healer you will have a fairly easy time Finding guilds and any guild wants at least one Druid
opaque holly
hehe
Well from what i've seen is that most of the raiding set, if not all, are made for healing druids?
Yeah
Hmm
Sorry if that sounds dumb... What does hotw ns mean?
Ohh
Yeah heard something about resto being a bit mana intensive
But I guess that can be handled with proper micro
rapid wind
HOTW helps a lot with your mana... i have 2 points in it so far getting NS first but then again im feral / resto
Will have my second mini PVP clip done soon lol, I am not a great pvper but find it fun and entertaining ๐
you went my build ๐ lol
ouch is that you ๐ ?
I don't really gank... i play more of a revenge help others thing
Don't like having nameplates ?
Did you just make gifs out of your clips? Just curious what you did for that usually I just do simple editing and upload to youtube
yeah same
oh its just a web thing
nice
Just one clip really for this guy i have some videos for others and stuff but not a lot of content yet
Well he was done after the first ravage I don't think he was on offense really though
Well he was emoting me when it was 1v3 ๐ touche
i should probably redo mine a bit
I only have one apologies in HOTW atm
nope not using it that much
2/2 bf 1/2 primal fury
might swap one point out of thick hide into FI though I tank dungeons a lot so idunno
bash is mandatory ๐
The only one iw ould really change up is TH
haven't gotten that far yet only 47
next point is NS
is the instant macro going to be double press or one press.. i forgot
nice ok
but that means ill have to have a few binds... one NS reg , NS er, NS Ht and maybe even some for @party1 lol
don't waste the points on pounce ?
need to get ff up on rogues and druids esp
i guess you mean pounce ๐
yeah since our shifts are so costly
i want to get the opener off and then perhaps as you said IS, and a barkskin OR maybe an abolish if its arogue
I dunno.. i use it before ravage sometimes ๐ not sure if it's effective
this glyhpx thing lets you edit entire videos into gifs ? no cost ?
do you use the raw shadowplay videos or edit them out or whatever
my raw files are 3+ gigs
can edit them down but just wondering whats easiest
I see ๐
yeah i hve 10 mins lol
yeah this last one you would like
essentialy ganked 3v1 and i can show the end of that
then the video shows me like hunting down 2 of the "perpetrators" cat stalking prey style inclluding one who is like 5 levels higher
i just siad fuck it its a shaman and he died fairly easily
they panic wrestle and wander into mobs it's hilarious ๐
Do you use spy ?
need more HOTW for bigger mana lol
i hvae 2400 mana
should be allowed to use that in feral forms lol (NG)
spy has a neat KOS thing on it also so it will be more meaningful on servers like classics than on the generic ones in retail
vestal stump
Hello guys. I have a little question. Why Manual Crowd Pummeler (2H mace from gnomergan) is known as SUPER good feral druid item?
dense bronze
Due to the on use effect
vestal stump
And shoould i level my weapon skill to use it properly?
dense bronze
Weapon skill doesn't matter in forms
vestal stump
Great for me tbh
dense bronze
You shouldn't be using MCP outside the use of the buff, you will want a secondary stat stick for everything else
You have to be rather.. masochist if you use it for everyday outdoor content
vestal stump
So i am supposed only to is it's buff and then switch to another weapon?
dense bronze
It only has 3 charges, so you have to farm a lot of them
thus using it in combat where it doesn't matter doesn't make sense
vestal stump
i want to addmit i have only level 32
dense bronze
Don't worry about MCP until 60
covert rover
do people get constantly DCd too?
this is kinda getting old for me
while it does look good
i kinda would like just to play for 20 mins straight
meager forge
yeah id be pretty mad if i was constantly being dc;d
dense bronze
Male night elf 
mental crystal
covert rover
rest of my internet is working just fine
just in vanilla i go down every 5-15 mins in general
it's a wonder i've only died once to it
lone vigil
MCP is good stats for it's level.
I'm using it at 59 cause I haven't gotten better
I'm not sure if I want the mace from the 7 dwarves or the mace from ubrs more
noble forge
@lone vigil just checked atlasloot which ubrs mace? could only find one with dmg procc
lone bear
feral staff is the best weapon we can get as a stat stick
mcp is..7th on list in phase 1
there isnt a better one in ubrs
lone vigil
Is it lbrs then? There's one that's 30 str
Ormokks hammer or something
Then dm brings us the quest one that's 28 str and some crit
sand raven
i'm 40, still using MCP as main weapon
where's something else good to equip?
lone vigil
Ah, fist of omokk is 29 str
And feral staff may not actually exist
I think in terms of pure dps the mace from brd is better, but I like stacking strength
fallen kernel
Hunter in WoW Classic Be Like:
mental crystal
shy pond
fallen kernel
Druid in Classic
is Like i dont know
Most people who play it and played it
It tries to be everything
but its not really anything
It can heal deal dmg and tank
But nothing is really outstanding there
lone latch
honestly, I'm really missing the fact that I can't spec heal whenever I want, but respeccing in classic is a pain anyway
so idk
mental crystal
bandages 
lone latch
if I'm going to be stuck as feral most of the time I might as well be a rogue ๐คท
fallen kernel
I play Face roll Hunter and Deal More dmg than a 5 LvL Higher Feral druid
(In Dungeon)
lone latch
idk if I'll make it to level 40 even tbh
not entirely convinced that this is a good game
but all my friends are playing
fallen kernel
I mean i have like 1,5-2 Days Played no (Pure Play Time)
And i am 27 ( I Level quite slow)
It is a good game its just harder than normal
mental crystal
what do you mean vanilla is PERFECTION
fallen kernel
thats a lie
mental crystal
the highest echelon of game design
mental crystal
no changes ๐
lone latch
harder than normal? like wasn't ragnaros cleared with a bunch of people not evel level 60?
lone latch
that makes it easy, doesn't it?
fallen kernel
In German we would say "Strohmann Argument"
fallen kernel
because its an argument from 1 Thing But used for the whole game
lone latch
but I know for a fact that none of the raids compare with retail, mechanics wise
fallen kernel
Yeah because its Classic
classic Raids cant have harder or nearly the same Mechanics
Because its MUCH older
lone latch
right, so which part of the game is harder than retail raids?
fallen kernel
classic is harder
Pull 4 Enemys
then we talk again
Pull 2 Enemys 4 Level higher than you
you can
lone latch
that's also a bad argument
shy pond
pretty sure you can
lone latch
because pulling 4 enemys is just a numbers thing
shy pond
leveling in retail has alot of qols to make shit smooth
fallen kernel
No its not
In retail you can easy kill 4 enemys
Not in Classic
you woul die
true
thats totally true
fallen kernel
yeah but first of try to get there
lone latch
also, even in classic, leveling is not harder than raiding or m+ on retail
lone vigil
Slower does not equal harder
lone vigil
Classic levelling is easy as hell
lone latch
it's slower and more grindy, not harder
you just pull one mob after the other and it's easy again
just takes ages
lone vigil
and I challenge a mage to pull more than a couple mobs in BfA zones
lone vigil
not every mage is frost in retail, and slows face DRs in retail
not if you're fresh 110 from legion zones haha
lone vigil
I'm almost 59
it's taken a long time
but has it been more "fun" than retail
I dunno
mmos are mmos to me
I have barely, and I went out of my way to do elite quests
did I make any friends? Not really
mental crystal
was having a blast up to like level 50
now levelling is just suffering tbh
just getting ganked 24/7 by people farming end game mats in my quest areas
lone vigil
grouping lowers your grind exp
fallen kernel
Mage is awesome to grind
wind tundra
Well, i have a question. On Gehennas i have 19lvl Druid, and, can som1 boost me in some dungeon or something else. Thanks โค
fallen kernel
do death mines
rugged zenith
i found something interesting, if you want to farm Thick Leather, incendosaur 46-48 in searing george seems to have bugged spawn rate.
i literally just killed one, skin, few second lather another spawn on top of it
It might be connected with a lot of people also killing it, which increases spawn rate of a mob, but that only happened in first few levels i believe.
fallen kernel
My Hunter Brings all the Girls To the Yard
lone bear
the 20% increased int?
whats the proc rate on omen of clarity in cat form?
mm.. proc is once every 30 seconds
remote lance
it's on ppm, so probably 2ppm if your testing is correct. I don't think OOC's ppm is different for different forms
i am unsure whether it was modified by "haste" or not (there are limited number of speed increase in Vanilla), and I don't know if people want to burn pummler testing
lone bear
pummeler isnt haste. specifically states attack speed
rugged zenith
ppm is attack speed + instant main hand attacks / 60.
so if you just auto attack, according to wowhead comment, it should proc every 30s or so. But combined with claw and shred (which is basically an instant weapon swing that do extra damage) it should proc a bit more than every 30s.
whole swan
Ehhh what's this about dungeons and raids being layered so you can abuse groups to respawn bosses
rugged zenith
Layer basically also work in dungeon for whatever reason, which i don't think intended and tied to layer being basically a sharding of entire realm... including instances.
i think it happened to esfand once and MC bosses respawn, and then a druid that farming pummeler tried it to replicate it... and voila. it's a real thing.
sand raven
i'm not sure that works
like sure you may be able to respawn raid bosses
but gear lockouts should work similar to how they work in retail?
i really have no idea tho
lone bear
classic didnt really have lockouts did it?
but even if it does in raids, the fact is it works in dungeons which is current content
dense bronze
Are you sure it works in raids with a lockout? I've only seen people saying it works in dungeons (that doesn't have lockout)
The bug basically just resets the instance and aborts the teleport
The reset is fine, but the lack of teleport is not
rugged zenith
It also doesn't incure the 15min/dungeon thing.
noble forge
@cold moth it doesnt
rugged zenith
only 10% movement difference
polar vine
lol
does it remove stun in retail?
no
it was
too many weebs copied me
yeah
u fuckin weeb
nah
didnt try
i got armswarrior
no im a mage
nice
remote lance
be the best mage you can be
don't break the frostbolt button and make sure you get to know your priests
polar vine
what is pve
sand raven
Arms Mage is my favourite spec
frigid robin
neither
polar vine
slap me daddy
frigid robin
remote lance
Wtf
dense bronze
I guess thats why all EU servers restarted without any warning
Good that they were so quick to fix it once it was publicized everywhere, bad that this bug have been there since the start
Seems you answered your own question
Wait until you hear about enh shaman 2 hander
They have to talent to use 2 hander, and everytime they the respec they have to skill up the weapon skill again
or at least used to have to do that in earlier vanilla, might have changed in 1.12
Ah, was changed in 1.11, lucky shamans in classic
balmy spear
Can someone explain what layering is?
Please ๐ธ
I mean in the context of the exploit thing
cold moth
Wonder if that world first guild exploited layering
balmy spear
Probably
opaque holly
Any tips for healing dungeons in classic? I see that the fact that We only have a brezz could be a problem. Any way to be as mana efficient as possible? I mean informing the tank so that he knows could help a lot with the brezz thing.
coarse mica
healing touch 4 
balmy spear
You can take a shadow priest or a shaman or a paladin(if you suck and you're in alliance ;)
torpid musk
I have binds for both
main marsh
@dense bronze u are 60 yet?
coarse mica
I was thinking about speccing into resto and farm dungeons in the last 3-5 levels
cuz you need shit from them anyway
torpid musk
I wish I was good at video editing lol just no patience haha
dense bronze
Yes
heady kite
I've altered a weak aura for classic wow that shows how many times you can shapeshift before you are oom, so you don't have to look at mana bar addons since we cant normally see mana in different forms.
looks like this, @ me or dm for the import strings
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253206574787461120/623130416722870273/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615010622823858186/623141290586144808/unknown.png
remote lance
close your mouth dear god
main marsh
dense bronze
Getting stuck in caster because you misjudged your remaining mana is the true vanilla experience
rapid wind
It's nice but I'd rather look at my mana bar so I can dynamically decide on what to do ๐
torpid musk
I try to consolidate
Heal barking perhaps if low an innervate
Whats a better pvp duo rogue / druid or druid pally for classic? I was thinking rogue druid for the coordinated shadow attacks
chrome nova
Its amazing dyne, dont know how many times Ive fucked up with that one
Sometimes it was the right choice though
formal pilot
mental crystal
good question
sterile ermine
You mean "oomkin"? lol ... "boomkin" didn't become a thing until bc/wrath cause of the nuke capability of balance then.
sharp jetty
upbeat knot
Let em play what they want
gilded anchor
So by your logic why would you play a mage? It's just 1 spell
sterile ermine
Touche!
hearty ermine
covert rover
they said they would ban people for it?
vague iris
what for an exploit?
covert rover
changing layers constantly to farm things
vague iris
that one, alright..i read about it but not that they ban for it
covert rover
me neither.. hence i asked
vague iris
@covert rover there is an exploit to do the same laying methode in dungeons/raids. So changing groups to constantly farm in the noirmal world isn't banable, but if you do that in a dungeon/raid to ignore the id limit it is
covert rover
ah.. thanks
vague iris
and i can agree, that is definitly an exploit
rapid wind
@cold moth new video up ๐
sand raven
they're DEFINITELY gonna ban people who exploit layering in instances, that's obvious
i can't see them banning anyone for doing it in open world
also anyone know some good weapons to pick up while leveling? I'm 42 & still using MCP as a main weapon
rapid wind
nay my stuff is just random neato pvp feral stuff.. lol
torpid musk
Another tip as a druid if you get jumped ranked killed avoid the emotional rez as out of stealth no buffs up and low health we are useless and just end up dying again. Get away and get ready if you will avenge :)
sand raven
@torpid musk what does it mean
lone bear
@sand raven the stats on it are more or less the best until next phase.. maybe
sand raven
the stats on MCP? MCP is like 7th bis in p1
green zealot
What wep enchant do we want as stage 1 as feral tank?
Any place you check recommends +15/+25 agi, but those enchants doesnt come out until p3/p5
willow escarp
I thought 15 agi is in.
lone bear
timbermaw rep
whole swan
That and dropping in molten core i think
remote lance
you always prefer +healing where you can get
because you can save mana through downranking
healing isn't so cut and dry so it's pretty hard to say how much X = Y, but +healing can give you both throughput and longevity (through downranking) while spirit and int are basically just longevity
lone bear
does int not affect damage?
remote lance
Not without certain talents that I dont know if are in vanilla or not
near leaf
Back in the day I just stacked +healing and spammed Healing Touch Rank (3 or 4 forget which) basically the entire raid. Cast, mp5 tick, cast. Iโd last a while. Went 0/30/21 so I could still tank dungeons and stuff.
I doubt much has changed.
rapid wind
@cold moth You wanna see my nest installment? I have another clip also haven't edited it... I beat this rogue, although I make some mistakes... the third one I might actually do a walkthrough of what I should or shouldn't have done. LOL we shall see
Cool its short
I fucked up on that one when i got the clips
and had no sound other than the ambiance so sorry about that
lofty ridge
had to mute the video
rapid wind
What's funny is they seem to try SO hard to kill you 4v1 and then when its 1v1 they just wanna get away now of course
There is the facts that I usually set up my 1v1s so that it's over in the first few seconds... but all of mine are retribution ganks....
Though currently it doesn't seem to matter that much as long as you get FF up haha
but yeah i got you... get that shit going asap so you don't have to shift out
since shifting is such a a bunch
I got blinded byt was lucky he was FFed and aggroing lions haha
the next video i have a brain fart and "opened" with FF lol almost cost me the fight... I can tell he has better gear and was a decent player despite being an absolute dick
Well he sure fought spamming LB on me earlier when I was fighting the rogue
I don't have it ready yet just got it will do i later ๐
So much fun to avenge ganks though if you know what I mean
don't have it uploaded it yet
Can you share it PM if its ok ๐ ?
I watching that video with the rogue I do some good things but didnt get hit my NG which would have probably caused the fight to be much easier
This guy had engineering .. he hit me with an iron grenade.. (the rogue)
But i managed to win the fight despite being bad and landing zero dots, and zero opener lol
Won with great bear mechanics and slipping in a regrowth and hit a clutch healing potion....
BUT still need to improve would have been an easy fight with a pounce rip rake moonfire swarm opener
rapid wind
Sharing a macro tip i just figured out
/cancelform [harm,noform:5][@mouseover,harm,noform:5]
This allows you to spam abilities that you normally would shift out of but without a target harm or mouseover it keeps you in form ๐
Thanks flash
better one
/cancelform [@target,exists,noform:5][@mouseover,exists,noform:5]
Indeed now if you are in cat form or travel running after somone to moonfire
and you are too far away
well it will still do it if you are out of range
but wont allow you to shift if you don't hvae a target or mouseover that can be affected
I probably need to test rebirth
not sure if that one will consider a target as "existing" if someone is dead lol
man that helps ๐
Just thought of trying that now for shits and giggles didnt expec tit to work lol
green zealot
Every place I'm looking says +15 agi from Timbermaw is not until P3, though
then +25 from P5
lone rapids
^ was just thinking that
rapid wind
yeah in my guild there are rushers dungeon slobs... i refuse to just grind dungeons for levels I will do them for quests and fun butnot just to get up as fast as possible.. ugh
lunar crystal
I have been trying to do BFD two days in a row, couldn't find a tank because everyone and their mom are in SM. Skipped it for now. Too bad I have my warlock quest in it.
tall belfry
Does rebirth rank 1 share a cd with the other ranks?
tall belfry
you can cast all the other abilites at lower ranks. but those dont have cds. was trying to decide if its worth getting the upper ranks while just leveling. guess not
remote lance
must be nice being the only ret in the world getting highest all star while doing like, 40% dps of the good dpsers
rofl
chrome nova
Definitely depends what youre aiming for -.-
rapid wind
I am surprised some company didnt come up and take over the "fun immersive" wow experience that classic has/had versus the sit in org and queue or hit up lineups for worldquests and dailies and world bosses...
Imagine and optimized dynamic more comprehensive version of classic ๐
cold moth
Cute wolf
lunar crystal
Derp wolf
near mirage
Marion =P (from WolfPark)
plucky spoke
Is it worth holding onto the weapon ardent custodian if Iโm playing feral tank or will it get replaced quickly. Iโm currently only level 40
tacit sedge
@plucky spoke if you can sell it, pick up a warden staff
plucky spoke
Yea I know warden staff is bis and currently I have ardent on the AH just wasnโt sure if it would be worth keeping till I could get my hands on staff
tacit sedge
It'd be better to sell it to pick up the warden staff. Its BiS for Prot Warriors for a while
plucky spoke
The mace is?
tacit sedge
It's pre raid BiS for sure, I don't keep up with classic that much, just remembering from vanilla
tacit sedge
Well no one knew anything back in vanilla :D
noble forge
I mean for curreent warriors
tacit sedge
Im sure some sap will still buy it thinking that XD
remote lance
People that can afford it now are probably not saps
rapid wind
got an amazing clip of well this warrior and mage were 2v1ing an alliance priest.. I couldn't save the priest if I would have tried to "heal" i woulda just been oom and owned...
so waited when they returned to ZF entrance and opened on the mage he run away with some dots and swarm onhim then sat down outside to drink, bam 900 ravage crit, dirtnap
remote lance
Baited
turbid pewter
try to build ut druid in twithc ๐
full flax
stupid question, but how do i activate heart of the wild or is it a passive
near leaf
passive
full flax
ty
lone bear
@rapid wind whats your level and ap to do a 900 ravage crit? am only hitting 500-600
rapid wind
48 ?
chrome nova
Im doing 6-700 crits at 36-37
rapid wind
Actually hit an 881 at 42
on Luciant the ganker mage after he 1v3ed me ; he then got weighed, measured and was found wanting 1v1 ๐
Though I do admit that the 1v1s i generally tend to have are usually rigged for me to win lol
timid pawn
cool ty
rapid wind
Wondering if i should dump herbalism yet for engineering... def help to have iron grenades...just kinda like having herb haha
Already got going on getting all the mats required justin case most arecheap
I think for now want to keep alchemy... im helping someone with the transmutes.. but to get engineering to grenades is pretty cheap atm
why is +7 resists so much of a big deal anyway...i have at least 3-4 pots of each school that I have available...
chrome nova
You say you're a balance druid and need it to do significant dps once you're oom, or that
lunar crystal
but Sulfuras is a druid weapon
hollow folio
Isn't sulfuras objectively worse than thunderfury? Also what spec actually wants sulfuras? With a bit of talking you can make yourself seem the best option at the end of the day Leggos are given to the most active players in the guild and tanks cause tank privilege
remote lance
start your own guild, take the first eye when it drops, server transfer afterwards
Sulfuras is pretty mediocre for pve for the most part assuming everyone is in BiS, but i can see random lolret or lolenh get it
dense bronze
enh > ret
That way you can make a cheesy PVP video of windfury procs
Like unbreakable
remote lance
FROST SHOCK
narrow knot
Good morning. Does anyone remember when they made druids unable to be mana burned when in car/bear? I had a felhiund in blasted lands mana burn me in cat and I distinctly remember, at least in BC arena, not being able to mana drain(lock) or mana burn(priest) druids in forms that didn't show mana.
dense bronze
True..
remote lance
Bigbrain
dense bronze
Hmm I could have sworn this wasn't the case in vanilla ๐ค
dense bronze
Another thread, this one from beta: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/beta-bug-list-report-v2-druid-concerns/197719
nobody cares about druids it seems
:)
stone crystal
F
near leaf
Yea cause that's actually pretty big in pvp, lol
zinc fiber
if you need mana to kill something then your entire druid mindset is wrong all you need is the confidence that teldrassil and the cenarion circle have your back & no matter what happens you're always welcome back in darnassus
vague iris
@digital badge stupid question. after an update of elvui the manatext is showing my energy or rage , but not the mana of the casterform
does the same happened to you?
digital badge
cant tell because i dropped classic
vague iris
ah sahem, thanks ^^
balmy spear
@digital badge how weak
digital badge
sorry i dont have time to spend on game im not enjoying
when im working 2 jobs
๐คท
rapid wind
Imagine if they had actually optimized the classes, races, specs and gotten rid of all the stupidity like low drop rates, silly nuances like not being able to do things in forms. #wow
zinc fiber
heresy
rapid wind
took me 1.5 hours to get a laden dew gland lol ๐
coarse mica
Are you buying all the spells?
coarse mica
yeah you're trolling
sand raven
?
vague iris
He can buy them, he didn't buy them yet
sand raven
those are the spells I skipped
sand raven
ye i found decent use in pvp
coarse mica
I bought it too after 40
coarse mica
why did you buy 3 ranks of starfire
sand raven
good question
chrome nova
The fuck do you need mount for as a druid anyway?
vague iris
60% =more as40%
sand raven
60% > 40%
zinc fiber
60 is not better than 40 if you're going by golf rules read a book for wonce
cosmic vector
Yeah, read a book for wonce
zinc fiber
If ppl would just educate there children the world would be a better place
mental crystal
amen i blame the vaccines
torpid inlet
high kite
question
I have warden staff on my druid now, but what enchant would be the best on it
feral tank
cosmic vector
natural selection will kick in sometime soon
sand raven
well the staff isn't for threat, just for defense, so probably whatever the best defensive weapon enchant
remote lance
Rofl
sand raven
so what's a good weapon to use when you're not popping MCP
dense bronze
A one with good stats
ornate grove
Hey guys, is it possible to "front" shred? like strafe in a way to shred a mob in 1v1รจ
noble forge
no
sand raven
no
zinc fiber
is anyone else leveling a mage i am trying to aoe with arcane explosion but i always die or go oom before packs die
coarse mica
afaik they do ye
arcane explosion is way too expensive to use in solo content
You can finish them off with it
remote lance
You cant facetank a bunch of mobs in classic
so you either go standard frost aoe spec to kite, or you single target.
rapid wind
anyone know if enchanted thorium / leather has a market at least in the short term ?
lime locust
I would guess yes in the short term, and then probably dying off once progress picks up
rapid wind
got 259 now
rugged zenith
1 agi = 1ap, but agi is better than ap until i am crit cap right?
green zealot
I still canโt find any information about BIS weapon enchants in p1 (and no itโs not 15 agi or 25 agi โ itโs not in the game). Does a lot of the on-hits work? Like crusader and fiery wep?
(For feral tank, that is)
vague iris
On hit nope
noble forge
I just realized
as a feral druid you gotta enchant all your crowd pummelers preraid
to optimize
noble forge
gotta minmax!
started playing my druid and considering to respecc for extra threat in feral instinct
getting aggro back is even more annoying
compared to warrior
vague iris
and still be bottom dps, fighting with the tanks
dense bronze
vague iris
but can't fight with the tanks if you are one of them
upbeat knot
Hey you leveled that far knowing it was going to be like this
vague iris
tbf i am quite shocked. i am running dungeons a lot and at 30 i am still keeping up with the other dd's
near leaf
I top 1 out of every 3 pulls as Moonkin! By a lot! Then I'm drinking the other 2 pulls.
vague iris
is oomkin really a thing?
near leaf
Honestly kill time is faster than Feral, and can dish out damage. Like ele Shaman. But oom too fast.
so u spend 20s drinking while kitty has already killed another 1-2 mobs
dense bronze
If you level as balance I strongly believe you are a masochist
why make it harder than it has to be
Go balance at 60 instead of you insist
near leaf
I view it like priest leveling. Take Natural Weapons, Omen of Clarity, improved Thorns. Hit stuff with ur stick like a priest would wand.
melee caster!
Benefits from Windfury ๐ฎ
upbeat knot
Windfury?
near leaf
id recommend going into resto for reflection and insect swarm till 40 though, then hitting oomkin hard!
Or just be a sane person and go Feral....
lone bear
Where is our power curve do you think?
cold moth
Does anyone have any good resto druid pre raid bis list?
thin moth
Either the Tribal or Ele pre 60 set most likely
viral yarrow
who the hell goes around moonglade camping lower level druids? wtf
rapid wind
Some people play the game differently. I was being killed by a 60 rogue (I am 50) in SG and he was laughing and clucking around like he was accomplishing something ๐ Some people get a kick out of simply being an attention focus point or feeling like they are accomplishing something.
The actual "facts" or "accomplishment merit" is pretty much a non-factor to these sorts of persons. The good news is that it's fun to take em out ๐
viral yarrow
can't wait for dhk to get added in the game so skulls stop doing that
sand raven
i remember in legion
there was this forum post because this druid couldn't get his artifact weapon
he couldn't get it because all the moonglade NPCs were hostile because he spent all of vanilla killing lowbies in moonglade
low steeple
lulz
cold moth
Lmao I remember that
remote lance
good, he deserved it
dense bronze
Well in vanilla you can just farm rep in silithus to fix it
rapid wind
yeah some higher level druid was fake casting on me i guess he was hoping I would hit him or something
rapid wind
anyone check their AH for price on how much i should sell a "Heaven's Light" mace for ?
cold moth
@sand raven
do you remember what the result of that was? did he get his weapon in the end? lol
limber hollow
Blizzard patched it, sadly.
lunar crystal
anyone actually farming Manual Crowd Pummelers ?
coarse mica
Who the fuck plays feral dps
lunar crystal
some masochist i presume
rugged zenith
Why +1 agi bracer betther than +9 str?
coarse mica
What do you mean? Who says that?
rugged zenith
for enchant, the guide in icy veins use +1 agi
coarse mica
Link the guide?
rugged zenith
coarse mica
I mean you're playing fucking feral dps
if you wanna optimize yourself you're not even playing the right class
rugged zenith
Then why this channel exists? 
coarse mica
Resto druid and feral tank are decent
dense bronze
Taking +1 agi over +9 str?, or +7 str for that matter
1 agi is 1 ap and 0,05% crit, while 1 str is 2,4 ap (with hotw)
coarse mica
sick guide
misty marlin
is tiger's fury worth using when solo leveling?
tall belfry
maybe i don't know how to classic cat but over half my dps is from auto attack so stronger auto attacks makes more sense to me than 1 attack that is likely to get dodge parried blocked or some other inconceivable avoidance that renders it useless. o-o
lunar crystal
all melee classes relay more on AA compared to classic
rapid wind
what level can i start doing brd
hallow glade
Are weapons like this impacted by SP at all? for the nature damage
hallow glade
why wouldn't i be hitting with it
hallow glade
But that's not the question...
coarse mica
Ok you're asking if spellpower increases this damage?
hallow glade
Correct.
coarse mica
How is that relevant
you're not proccing it anyway
are you gonna melee in human form
hallow glade
Ofc
coarse mica
hallow glade
It's just a general question really, does SP increase the damage of coh effects, it doesn't matter if i'm in cat form or bear form, just asking if it impacts the dmg from the nature / fire / whatever school damage from the coh impact
coarse mica
afaik it doesn't
hallow glade
Thanks
dense bronze
nugenergy is fairly popular
coarse mica
Naglering
ruby olive
Is there any working WA for Omen of clarity?
ruby olive
either not working or my shit is bugged and I am not getting procs
details isnt showing any buff up time on it either
low steeple
Might be an obvious one but did you cast omen on yourself?
It's a buff you have to put up in classic, not like retail where it just exists
low steeple
=)
zinc fiber
@low steeple Might be an obvious one but did you know ur neat ?
maiden current
@low steeple I never knew that....
lone bear
how to dismount in macro?
maiden current
/dismount
lone bear
/dismount in /cast cat macro just dismounts and need to click button again for it to work
low steeple
@maiden current tbf I didn't either lol I just saw it mentioned in here awhile ago
honest ridge
Would a moonglow build that focuses more offensively be viable? I want to go something like 37/0/14 but not take moonkin form since I will be offhealing a fair bit
I just wanna throw out huge starfires and use healing touch rank 4 on people lol
torpid musk
Any tanking tips for bad? I'm 52 but seems tough to holds aggro when there 56+ on the group
barren plover
sand raven
ironical you're gonna have that problem a lot
if you're 52 trying to hit 56 mobs against 56 players you're never gonna hold threat
if you're 52 hitting 50s you should be fine
rapid wind
So better to vendor the gear
Thanks folks
Trying to figure out how much to vendor this heaven's light for. I don't see others here
rapid wind
Is it a bad idea to try to barkskin packs or nah
wintry ravine
on cat or bear do we have to skill the weapon for the hit cap ?
ruby swan
so what build are you all running so far? i am looking to go the heart of the wild build on my way to and at 60
chrome nova
@wintry ravine no, its basically unarmed without wep skill
chrome nova
If you're planning on healing shouldnt you get NS first
ruby swan
not if still leveling
rapid wind
Idols not yet available right ?
lone bear
til phase 5 or something