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#classic
rapid wind
I got an addon that apparently will update player health dynamically but wasn't updated since 2006, called mobhealth3. I can get it installed and showing up i addons but in the game it seems non functional; tried to edit the toc a bit but no go. Anyone know specifically what would cause an old addon not to function in this modern client perhaps can adjust it
faint warren
similar functionality to this? https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/real-mob-health
rapid wind
Yep
faint warren
its on the twitch installer atleast
rapid wind
But apparently that one (and i've seen it in action)will update players health too that you fight
I put a note on curseforge for RMH to add that function so we shall see
but I thought I could hack that older addon to work and it does show up but just doesn't seem to work so there's perhaps some compatibility issues
glossy sedge
Does anyone know what the DPS comparisons would look like if bosses didn’t have a 16 debuff limit? Would warriors and rogues still be on top??
Just a bit of morbid curiosity is all. Wondering where feral would sit if they could Rip and Rake in raids versus a rogue that could use all of his debuffs as well. Edit: autocorrect
upbeat knot
Im not a classic expert by any means but theres probably a reason why other debuffs have priority
glossy sedge
Um yeah I know. Has nothing to do with my question at all
fresh jay
Lmao that reading comprehension tho
royal fossil
rip is pretty shit
upbeat knot
Yeah i mean obviously wed be a bit stronger but still outperformed
rapid wind
Where's a good spot to get some purple lotus? gonna need it for my PS
chrome nova
Other speccs would probably get way more, its not like rip and rake are super efficient free dps upgrades. Which probably means that he answered your question similarily to this.
TL;DR other classes get more
rugged zenith
damn innervate is way stronger than i thought.
More spirit mean more value on innervate
upbeat knot
Does innervate work differently in classic?
mental crystal
compared to retail you mean?
coarse mica
it's very different
mental crystal
it's a mana refund in classic
covert rover
yeah indeed
tell him to innervate you so you can shapeshift more for more bites
then you cycle it on yourself :)))
upbeat knot
Lmao off hes going to love me telling him that
misty marlin
In vanilla it was possible for mods to auto unshapeshift you, e.g. when talking to an NPC or mining. I believe this is now impossible with the modern api, correct?
coarse mica
I read that it became possible in a later patch, but wasn't possible yet in 1.12
so maybe later 🙂
broken flax
I remember switching out to a weapon with high spirit when you had innervate just to get back more mana and then you’d just swap it back out after
coarse mica
Oh other way around maybe 😦
sour summit
Guys how good would druid healer to be leveling with as 30+ level
sour summit
was thinking that 30+ dungeon grinding might be easier with healing talents
remote lance
You can heal with other spec fine. But if you plan on never soloing then its fine to go resto
meager forge
you can make your own groups if your having issues getting into groups
upbeat knot
Whys that?
meager forge
but honestly i dont think most people will really care
rugged zenith
No one actually care what class you're until you reach 55+ lvl dungeons
digital badge
uhmm sweetie uf you arent priest / warr / rogue its inefficient...
meager forge
like i said, most people wont care
digital badge
the entire world channel for SM groups begs to differ maybe thats the eu
rugged zenith
SM groups is aoe farmings pepegas
upbeat knot
Yeah i mean im at 27 and no one seems to care yet
rugged zenith
If you're doing a dungeon for the quest, you just take whatever you can.
upbeat knot
Also i dont think im beimg outperformed yet at this level
digital badge
ill try assemble group for quests but ehh, sad we dont have cat swipe
see you in wotlk
also does windfury totem benefit cat? i get the buff but idk if damage is there
digital badge
ive played on ascension and wf weapon worked fine, but thats priv and custom scripts so
different patch altogheter too
rugged zenith
Nope, one of the thing that i remember fonly is "Tauren druid is worse than NE because windfury doesn't affect cat/baer attacks"
upbeat knot
Do our other attacks ever put perform autos?
rugged zenith
claw, shred, and ravage is based on our auto's damage
well for claw it's instant auto damage + x damage
Auto damage for cat is based on agi, str and AP btw. Not weapon damage
that's only on wotlk
upbeat knot
So basically auto will always be stronger
Do we spread our rake around to multiple targets or worry about just killing tank target?
meager forge
well you lose your combo points when you switch target
i personally just focus down one thing, or if i need to swap i make sure to spend my combo points first
upbeat knot
Rip is trash things die too fast
meager forge
1 level away from bite 😭
i usually do it at like 3 points bc yeah it all dies too fast
upbeat knot
Thats what i was doing it didnt seem worth it
meager forge
meh, im not gonna change what i do when im 1 level away from having something worthwhile to spend my combo points on
upbeat knot
You mean shred?
rugged zenith
can you shred from front?
upbeat knot
Oh well i only do dungeons
meager forge
we're talking about in dungeons
rugged zenith
Well spam shred, rip if it'll last the entire durations
upbeat knot
Do you lose combo points if you leave cat form?
rugged zenith
you also FB only on 35-40 energy.
rugged zenith
No you don't, you lose combo if you hit other target, this hit is including auto attack
upbeat knot
Okay maybe ill get into that powershifting thing then
rugged zenith
5/5 furor, get 2/2 feline swifteness, then get omen
you're set for lvling with only that 3 talent
If you can't handle the slow movement, get 2 feline frist then furor
5 ferocity 5 Thick hide, and you're set to tank too.
Versatile class bby
upbeat knot
Think you need tank gear to tank
rugged zenith
just agi and agi and agi
rugged zenith
you don't need stamina until max lvl dungeon
levelig dungeon is about killing thing before they kill you.
upbeat knot
Ive seen mechanics stun or fear and tanks die very easily
rugged zenith
Tribal leatherworking pretty much the go to right, for that god damn OP helmet.
grave notch
wait oops, i should talent into furor first?
upbeat knot
Looking back i wish i would have
grave notch
i'm late to the classic druid party
upbeat knot
I fully talented into bite and i dont even have it yet
willow escarp
I've been gunning straight through feral to get leader of the pack first. Furor will be the next thing I get after though!
upbeat knot
I think thats the play
willow escarp
Solo leveling, furor doesn't really come into play much since power shifting is so mana intensive
grave notch
yeah i'm solo
i was going to go ferocity -> feral aggression -> feline swiftness -> furor
willow escarp
Yea, Feline Swiftness is nice, that build path will give you 30% move speed (outside) at level 21
rugged zenith
Getting furor and ooc early on has payed me pretty well so far
pretty much only need to cast healing touch every 2-3 mob (and sometime that healing touch is free).
If it's a hard enemey, i spent all mana on powershift, claw that shit to death
lvl 40 (innervate) practically make me able to kill mob after mob non-stop, as the moment i need mana innervate is off cd
willow escarp
that's the one thing I don't have going full feral, I don't really have a "cool down" to kill a big mob with (which power shifting with furor can kinda be seen as)
fickle garden
whats a good addon to see vendor price of items while in my bags?
rugged zenith
yeah powershifting is our "dps cd"
grave notch
'Better Vendor Price' is what I use
fickle garden
thanks!
fickle garden
i'll have a look at both of them thanks for the help
rugged zenith
wait hold on, i actually have "Vendor Price" addon, that might be the one that shows prices for me. Leatrix is for auto sell junk, disabling death/glow effects and camera distance
also auctioneer shows prices.
upbeat knot
I read the wowhead guide for feral do you actually do more dmg in dungeons as bear aoe then cat?
upbeat knot
zinc fiber
@upbeat knot it depends u can do more dmg as cleave but if your group is not set up for it then it can go real bad
if the pack ttk is slow you will run into sustain issue
upbeat knot
Do you think its a good idea to play around the beserk cd?
And switch to cat when waiting for it to come back
zinc fiber
for your specific setup u can just check dmg logs to verify but it sounds like a good idea regardless
rugged zenith
It's not really worth trying to do aoe damage honestly.
Just focus a target and powershift. You will do less damage, sure, but you will kill a target faster which mean less enemy to hit for other aoe class
rugged zenith
Soloed a 43 elite as 42 kat. I told you guys, innervate is bloody OP.
and root too
rapid wind
I started taking furor at 36, it's great if you like to switch, and be efficient
And you will still get invited to groups as feral dps or tank 🙂
remote lance
I dont think furor is as good as ooc or the latter feral talents
rapid wind
I think it really depends on how you want to play
For PVP being able to shift into bear and feral charge right away is clutch...
sand raven
oh yeah is there a mana while shapeshifted WA?
Furor is 100% essential
it's SO fucking good
i picked it up right after feline swiftness
anyone who doesn't taking it is leveling slower than they should be
zinc fiber
im not convinced yet
gray edge
is it best to quest in cat form when you unlock it or stay in bearform
lone bear
Am grabbing furor atm, aiming to get 5/5 at 40 with wolfs head helm
low steeple
psssssh r11 more efficient =p
little wigeon
actually sorry last 3 ranks of htouch beats it
lone bear
Could of weakaura for energy/rage/mana
low steeple
oh two differetn spells lol my bad didn't notice.
alpine kayak
@gray edge pretty sure cat is actually really strong to level
My guidlie is leveling as boomkin and i love it LOL
low steeple
how's he doing with that?
torpid inlet
@karmic juniper
fresh jay
Improved moonfire does shit tons of damage
karmic juniper
@torpid inlet
midnight fox
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577878965385953292/620724388526030858/unknown.png
you got mana cost wrong, Regrowth rank 4 costs 350 mana, not 250
zinc fiber
the number should be 3 not 2 is that really a big enough deal to call someone out on ?
lone bear
Makes a big difference in his claim that rank 4 is best heal/mana
zinc fiber
we are a community idk why people gotta fight cant we all just get along and have a bit of fun chromie made a button that literally takes us back in time & instead of just enjoying it ppl wanna crush others dreams...
fresh jay
Because we are pro gamers
cosmic vector
Difference when saying something as fact and it be wrong than “crushing someone’s dreams”
fresh jay
Rewt is special
grave notch
oh shit it's rewt
frigid robin
rewt 👀
mental crystal
digital badge
i thought i can grind my butt into infinity
but apparently i cant be assed anymore
would rather mindlessly grind dungeons now
it would be nice and all
but ive done it
dozens of time already
not on classic
but in general, across multiple xpacs, on multiple private servers, and on retail
tbh
i was like 13
but sub was too expensive to afford in poland
i think
internet, as in access to all info you need
spoiled videogamers
games*
for me
im all about figuring stuff out yoruself and all
but sometimes i just grab wowhead / google
and go lazy
but the fact that i know pretty much every mob pack in every dungeon
by hand, minus the legion ones
i dont know other things like most of wow lore but i dont care really
zinc shale
Guys did anyone got a random disconnect in wow classic
EU side
And can't log back in
digital badge
nop
wicked hatch
I'm having trouble deciding on my talent points for leveling. I want to be able to tank dungeons while leveling, but still get some extra damage for Cat form for questing. How should I spend my points?
rapid wind
Just spec feral lol
young latch
@wicked hatch the standard feral spec for leveling if you look up any guide. Is the correct one use that you will be able to tank heal or dps any dungeon you want with that build all the way up
remote lance
Genuine classic slowness experience
covert rover
Yeah. Nice for everything. Even if it’s just running away from fights
cobalt oasis
did that just ping me?
grave notch
sorry
grave notch
of course there's someone called demo in a discord as big as this :p
cobalt oasis
🙂
grave notch
my ass is getting beaten by crabs 🤣
zinc fiber
tell me more
lone vigil
Devilsaurs are easily soloed at 60 right?
royal fossil
lul
verbal cobalt
Are the Sunken Temple class quests given at 50 still?
grave notch
I recommend this for dungeon quests https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/dungeon-quests-classic-wow#temple-of-atalhakkar-sunken-temple-46-49-51-54
sunken temple quests seem to range from 38-48
ofc going in there at 38 wouldn't be recommended :p
oh u mean this
The Temple of Atal'Hakkar quest chains can be picked up at level 50
sorry xd
druid stuff
royal fossil
i like how people were like ye in classic you have to collect all the quests outside the dungeons
but usually people in dungeons just share all the quests for it inside
grave notch
i collect them all myself, i'm finding myself to be the one to share with people :p
noble forge
cant trade all
and class quests arent druid stuff but Im fairly sure they arent in atm
grave notch
u can't trade the ones with prerequisites unless they have them too
grave notch
which phase are they?
mental crystal
not sure
grave notch
ok
digital badge
so do i spam demo roar as bear in dungeons
for threat
idk how much threat it does
faint warren
i saw speculation that demo roar is currently getting bonus threat the larger the pull is.
rapid wind
I am almost certain that threat is affected by level also as a bear I have not much of an issue keeping threat by same level or lower but as soon as they outlevel me it becomes a challenge
cosmic vector
if your swipe does more than 60% of the threat value its worth otherwise demo is better threat
gilded anchor
@cold moth if you plan on healing dungeons I suggest going the moonglow build. You go 23 deep into balance for 3/3 moonglow, then you go into resto to pick up natures swiftness. Natures Grace in Balance you pick up later on
It will be your best pve/p spec until you're geared
It also allows you to have improved thorns and MoTW
Which is big when aoe pulling dungeons
gilded anchor
Yea I prefer hitting moonglow first since it's more reduced mana on all spells
But yea that's the build
Yea but moonglow affects dps spells too
Can out dps people on bosses a fair amount
I like when a pull sustains and you can drop a hurricane
willow escarp
@cold moth how do you find this build for solo grinding/questing? What's a typical pull look like - still cat form or do you use balance spells?
misty marlin
is light leather ever going to be worth anything on the AH? save it or vendor it?
fresh jay
Why wouldnt you go imp starfire for pvp
rapid wind
i dunno for pvp i want the instant HT for sure lol
innervate is golden once you get it lol
covert rover
i find it hard to imagine a life without speedy catform to get away/catch up <.<
prolly rather go with less stealth
hm.. not enough points in that tree
feral tree must be full :<
rapid wind
btw a small tip try to time your FF when you are low energy and use the GCD at that point to refresh or put it up
@willow escarp but what then, you will have to shift to cat or bear "once you catch up you used the mana plussome anyway
boy i thought shadowmeld would be useless, but it's sure good for eating / drinking 🙂
willow escarp
True - for heavy feral feline swiftness may still be worth it for that reason.
rapid wind
have to say furor is clutch though IF you are pvping or like to be able to defend yourself in a pinch....
at 40ishanyway
bear bash, abolish rejuv ack to bear and you can obliterate a lot of rogues
coarse mica
I can't even kill a shadow priest
they just spam fear me and auto attack me to death
rapid wind
hope it's not an orc lol
coarse mica
was an undead
Idk I can't win vs anyone in pvp
What triggers me the most is that I see a horde dude doing some mob. I run by, start killing my own mob.
10 seconds later they attack me
coarse mica
48
rapid wind
you cannot win most fights if you are attacked first and just start fighting
coarse mica
I've noticed
rapid wind
you need to get away and reset at low levels anyway
coarse mica
This shadow priest that I fought today tho
idk
he had 20% mana and still killed me
I was full mana full health and had the opener
rapid wind
gotta try to OOM them have some LOS I would assume
coarse mica
He was oom
he feared me
and started drinking
by the time i'm back
he's 50% mana
what a dumb fucking ability
it has like 20 sec cd too
it triggers me so much
rapid wind
yeah fear seems to last too long lol
willow escarp
Did you dot him? I'm shocked he could drink if he was dotted
coarse mica
Mind blast hit me for 600 non crit too
what a cool ability
that's like 25% of my health
willow escarp
spriest is one of the scariest pvp classes
rapid wind
gotta bash the mb
rapid wind
Going to be hard to win with that mindset 🙂
willow escarp
I'd say spriest and warlock are the two classes I never want to fight
rapid wind
its also possible he might have geared up more than ou and small amounts of better gear can add up and priests are a bit OP in classic at this point
remember to TF your ravages a few seconds before you hit
coarse mica
I was told that doens't work
celest rampart
That's why I rolled a rogue cause this time I will be the ganker and not the gankie🦈
fresh jay
Thats why i rolled on pve
coarse mica
that's even more boring
covert rover
true.. where will you find the righteous rage from losing battles then?
i would tbh be fine on a pve realm.. am on pvp one but it does nothing for me
karmic lark
How much is wolfshed on your servers? Mine has it at like 90g lol
willow escarp
I've seen it around 50-60... it is still early I think on most servers. So a lot of the mats have low supply
karmic lark
Yeah it seems Bizarre it's so much, but I guess you have to buy or craft it if you want to kitty
I have not seen either devilsaur items on my AH either.
zinc fiber
devilsaur recipes are 99g on my server i dont know why honestly theres always 1 dumb nerd that manages to control server auction houses and get rich off the everyday player i dont know whats wrong with these auctioneers but i wouldnt be surprised if they are in this discord
karmic lark
Maybe lol. Something else I was wondering. Does shadowcraft .5 set work for feral too?
As in the auto attacks give energy
sand raven
anyone have a list of good items to pick up while leveling for a Feral tank?
vital kelp
what lvl can u start tanking as druid in dungeons? straight away or wait a couple of levels?
vital kelp
cheers mate
maiden current
Hit 32 the other day, damn does Bite feel good. And Crits! OMG! getting a crit on ravage opening, crit on claw then a crit on bite. Just melting mobs.
frigid carbon
Crits feel so fucking good here
chrome nova
Probably because you have 2 sources of damage, so when there is a crit its more impactful, vs on live where everything is just a bunch of small damage, which quite quickly adds up to your crit chance
marble walrus
Guys, I am using healbot and currently trying to make it cast healing spells regardless of my current shapeshift.
I have done a macro that does just that, removes all shapeshifts and then casts healing spells, but... it only casts it on myself, regardless of healbot panels. Mouseover does not seem to work either. Anyone has an idea how can I make it work somehow, to make healbot cast healing spells regardless of my current shapeshift?
willow escarp
I haven't tried using healbot, but I know that mouseover macros don't work when bound to any mouse buttons. For example, binding a mouseover macro of Healing Touch to Mouse Button 4 doesn't work - but if I bind it to a key (like 1) it works fine.
I should clarify - the Mouse Button 4 works if you mouseover their character but NOT their unit frame
upbeat knot
Theres no reason to have mouseover macros on your mouse with healbot
willow escarp
Right - I don't use healbot so I'm not familiar with how it works
but if it uses mouse click events it may be a similar issue?
I know in retail I had used Clique for awhile
marble walrus
@upbeat knot yea, I was just trying to make macro work with frame
@willow escarp yea, everything works just fine with healbot and clique etc, its just I have to cast a number of commands (/cancelaura) before the healing spell
willow escarp
I see
marble walrus
so its ether i have to make healbot cast them before healing spell himself or make a macro that would work on healbot >.<
willow escarp
interesting... I wonder if there's an add-on like easy dismount but for druid forms
lone bear
well.. /cancelform gets us out of all our forms
lone bear
#showtooltip
/cancelform
/cast !Cat Form
for powershifting
if you leave the macro button as the red ? it changes the button to look like the spell thats active
ie
#showtooltip
/cast [nostealth] Shred; [stealth] Ravage
if youre in stealth, the icon shows ravage and shows tooltip
out of stealth it shows shred and its tooltip
marble walrus
but
/cancelform
/cast !Cat Form
if i am already in cat form, it will make me go back to catform?
lone bear
yup
go in resto tree, read furor
then search item wolfshead helm and read its tooltip
marble walrus
yes, i am aware of that all
lone bear
-headtilt-
marble walrus
i will store that for future, as energy gain 😄
marble walrus
yea that makes sense
marble walrus
oifc
lone bear
Jungle Remedy from kurzen medicinemen and the variations in the cave. cures diseases and poisons. only on self
sand raven
ues
lone bear
well, its 20 energy per shift. any str and agi youve stacked, you can get another claw from 2 shifts or a shred from every 3 (i know thats not how it works) but its more damage
marble walrus
kk then i ll get one
marble walrus
aw snap. auto target does... heal my target, lol. not the frame. th search continues
In case anyone is going to search for healbot macros about forms and casting healing or buffs on frame, it should look somewhat like this:
/cancelform
/cast [@hbtarget] Mark of the Wild
/cancelform
/cast [@hbtarget] Healing Touch
lone bear
why dont you @empty owlover?
maiden current
@cold moth Can you set Vuhdoo to cancel form as well?
Oh sweet. I have macros for all my heals, buffs. Didnt know if vuhdoo can access the macro though. Thanks!
I need to set that up then. Lol thanks again.
low steeple
You can't put your hots anywhere you want on the frame =p
bright bronze
I’m pretty new to wow and am thinking of maiming Druid. Could anyone pm me so I could ask some questions?
low steeple
Just ask them =) we don't bite
lone bear
well, i bite loads, but the mobs usually dont last long enough for it
bright bronze
Alright then (: so like I said, I’m a new player and haven’t had much experience in wow in general. I’m not sure what role I’d like to play, so the ability to be all roles on Druid sounds great to me. I also am not sure if I want to do pve or pvp and know they do well in both. From what I’ve read, they seem to be a pretty complex class though and I’m afraid I don’t have the knowledge to play a harder class
lone bear
class knowledge comes as you play a class, find new things you wanna know about it, gather the knowledge about it and so on
so just cause people might say such and such is a harder class, it just means theres a bit more to learn
zinc fiber
Anyone know if respec costs decayed?
lone bear
yup :3 i respecced a load in vanilla cause i always wanted to be kitty but everyone wanted me to heal
lone bear
1g is the lowest it can go
zinc fiber
ok ty
lone bear
its just a gold sink for people who change loads
bright bronze
What about following leveling builds on icy veins or a leveling video? I know it’s more efficient to use a leveling build, but I’d like to play my own way and enjoy learning the class. How viable would a self made build be for leveling?
zinc fiber
yea we definitely needed another gold sink everythings too cheap
lone bear
lol cheap...
@bright bronze theres not much you can do wrong as long as you kill stuff at a pace you like or heal people in the right time
you have bear for tanking, learning threat and taunting
cat for melee dps, positioning on mobs and cd tracking
resto for healing, mana upkeep
balance.. we dont usually see them but roots ftw tho you'd lose out on the bonus thorns damage if you spec it
for pvp there are some half feral half resto builds too
bright bronze
How do they do in duels? Dueling seems like the kind of pvp id be into
lone bear
wouldnt be sure, ive never been much into pvp myself
zinc fiber
besides feline swiftness & furor are there any other leveling talents i should rush?
lone bear
furor pairs well with natural shapeshifter
zinc fiber
thx
lone bear
natures grasp gives you an insta root
but youll really like blood frenzy when you get it
lone bear
im 37 and only just getting it
zinc fiber
kk
lone bear
just get as you go, 1g is expensive
cold moth
Get druidbar classic
zinc fiber
its on twitch?
zinc fiber
ty!
cold moth
I have loads of fun as a druid tho, dominating in wpvp
zinc fiber
are u gonna be in bear form
pastel ruin
Sorry if this has already been asked/confirmed: But is it 100% confirmed that Wolfshead Helm stacks with Furor? I searced for it on the channel but I coulnd't see any proper answer. Wowhead comments also states that this was changed to NOT work with Furor in patch 1.8 something...
lone bear
to not work? uh.. why would they do that?
remote lance
Blizzardtm
pastel ruin
They nerfed it, cause according to comments it was used even into BC. And they dont want that
lone bear
gonna buy it in 2 levels and test to see if it works or not
remote lance
the wowhead comment that says it stacks was December 2006, TBC and annotated with 2.0.1 which was pre-patch for TBC. To me that indicates it stacked for all of vanilla and was only nerfed after it was being used over level 70 items in TBC
rapid wind
17 sta 16 spirit or 9 str 9 stam ; im primarily a pvp bear/cat/resto hybrid
zinc fiber
thats a lot of stats do u ever get into situations where you go oom
rapid wind
It's very easy to go OOM as a druid in classic lol
sand raven
does FFF do any threat?
dense bronze
Yes, use it on cooldown
winged crystal
i'm dabbling in classic. have a question? how do we deal with changing forms? i'm using the normal key bind that i do in retail, but pressing the abilityfor bear form while in bear form doesn't swap me outr
winged crystal
oh. gracias.
just add that to my macro?
#showtooltip bear form /cast bear form /cancelform?
pine escarp
Is anyone running kitty in Classic, or is it just better to aoe bear as you level?
I've started a mate, but I'm missing my druidy goodness.
*mage
winged crystal
wow there's no icon for bear form so i have to choose something else.
cancel form isn't working @gilded anchor . tried one and two words
gilded anchor
Just go into bear form and manually type /cancelform
I personally use /cancelaura formname
But cancelform works
winged crystal
I copy pasted that except replaced cat with bear
#showtooltip
/cancelform
/cast Cat Form
#showtooltip
/cancelform
/cast Bear Form
low steeple
did you shift click the ability into the macro?
winged crystal
And it puts me in bear form, but when i use it while in bear, just kinda powershift
the keybind is shift mousehweel down, wonder if thats relevant
gilded anchor
#showtooltip Dire Bear Form
/cancelaura Cat Form
/cancelaura Travel Form
/cancelaura Aquatic Form
/cast Dire Bear Form
winged crystal
right. i'm just looking for a macro that will; if pressed, bear form, pressed again, out of form.
gilded anchor
Or you can use that
winged crystal
in retail you just press the button again
gilded anchor
It cancels bear form on same button press
winged crystal
none of that shit is working. its just powershifting me.
Sorry to be fucking annoying lmao. That shit just aint working.
/cancelaura Cat Form
/cancelaura Travel Form
/cancelaura Aquatic Form
/cast Dire Bear Form
winged crystal
#showtooltip Dire Bear Form
/cancelaura Cat Form
/cancelaura Travel Form
/cancelaura Aquatic Form
/cast Dire Bear Form
gilded anchor
Just remove dire
gilded anchor
If you're using mine there's 0% chance it powershifts you
Or you don't know what power shift means
winged crystal
want to see? I can stream w/ discord in discord.
high kite
What about mine?
gilded anchor
Mine cancels all forms that aren't bear. And casts bear. If used in bear it cancels auras and then casts bear form again
Which cancels bear
winged crystal
akavir, its not working ;/
high kite
Hmm
high kite
How often is your scroll wheel triggering the macro?
winged crystal
if i'm out of bear form and i use your macro, i will be in bear. if i use it again, it just does a little poof, UNLESS i'm oom, in which case, back in normal (tuaren) form
high kite
If I scroll
high kite
Then its multiple inputs
winged crystal
I hear you haha. okay ss incoming
high kite
I think its probably not macro related
Could you just put that macro on your bar and press it once?
winged crystal
low steeple
you also have the wrong ivon selected for it to show the tooltip
low steeple
you really just need #showtooltip with the ? icon
gilded anchor
#showtooltip with the ? Icon shows the tooltip
Okay so it works now?
Make that for cat form, aquatic, and travel forms
Now you have live shapeshifting
high kite
Yay
gilded anchor
Yea with scrolling
low steeple
it does work just fine with scrolling.. you're just casting it over and voer
winged crystal
yeah i see. i have to be gentle with the scrolling
tried it with just one tiny scroll and it worked.
gilded anchor
Don't use scroll for forms tbh
winged crystal
time to main a warrior.
gilded anchor
I use f1, f2, f3, f5
winged crystal
Yeah i see how thats an issue in classic.
gilded anchor
But it's personal
winged crystal
in retail its very comfortable. I do'nt want to fuck around w/ my muscle memory.
young latch
Then play retail
winged crystal
but thank you for your patience.
young latch
If you don't want to fuck with muscle memory
winged crystal
I'm not really asking for your opinion latterstyle
don't know why you're coming at me lmao
gilded anchor
Nah I get what Rob is saying, keybind familiarity is a thing. But in all honesty, don't use mouse wheel for forms
But I'm not playing for you, do w/e :)
winged crystal
mhm. I appreciate your patience. I swore it wasn't a mistyping of the macro, but it was at the end of the string + the scrolling i see how that was confusing.
gilded anchor
Yea make sure you spell check your macros
low steeple
that's why I said to shift click it in
gilded anchor
Btw you can macro /stand to spells, let's you cast them from a sitting position
Also I suggest adding /cancelform to your spells. The shapeshift wall is real in classic
Motw, thorns, healing spells etx
I'm balance moonglow spec atm for healing and I got to dps a ZF run
It's just moonfire spam and hurricane haha
winged crystal
i figured. there's a talent in there that makes moonfire hit HARD
gilded anchor
Nah it's just the dots do more damage for mana spent
high kite
Wait moonfire spam is more DPS than spamming wrath or Starfire?
gilded anchor
On 1 target it's not worth, but we're pulling 6-7
high kite
Yeah okay fair enough
gilded anchor
Been running with a bear tank, ask him to innervate you on CD for drinks
5 second drink times
rapid wind
yeah I check out mana bars and dynamically whip it on someone
rapid wind
Well who else: ) What I meant is when someone is low mana either a healer or a mage I throw it on them to keep them going, amazing spell
Sometimes I don't always have ahealer but ifnot usually just use it on myself
noble forge
only if you have spirit
rapid wind
DId we ever confirm if furor + wolfshead stacks in this version of vanilla ?
lone bear
Am not 40 yet. Currently with 4/5 furor during attack, I get 60 energy with gcd and skill use timing, got 3 levels before I try wolfshead
Uh with energy ticks btw
rapid wind
I am told it does stack
digital badge
im only level 36
coarse mica
that's very big then
coarse mica
instant 5 cp
digital badge
i like feral in classic
how its designed
minus the fact you lose the combopoints on target change
well and damage could be somewhat higher
digital badge
if im supposed to not have AOE
just make my single target bananas
but thats not classic class design logic
and heres when i thogught im playing hipster
class
i was playing feral on retail for a while
and the cleave / aoe dps was so good
and then you go to this
mediocre single target, non existant aoe
digital badge
really makes you think huh
lmao
but combat rez and tranquilitiyt in pinch
is pretty good
i have to admit
i get what they tried t odo with the balancing back then
but with current playerbase
trying to maximize everything no matter what
you see mdi tier strats
for goddamn ZF
when you pool max energy, and clearcasting proc
lmao what ajoke
coarse mica
yeah idk FB is very very weird
sometimes it hits for 300 . Then other times it hits for 800
willow escarp
It seems like as you level claw up FB gets worse... until you hit the next level of FB then it's good again lol
coarse mica
I don't even use TF
celest rampart
Do druids in classic feel like oprah? Like you get a mark of the wild, and you get a mark, EVERYBODY GETS A MARK OF THE WILD!
celest rampart
Idk every time one runs by me I'm getting buffed.
digital badge
armory run overall 
rogue druid tank and sham all 3 levels above me
and this is damage breakdown for the curious
rapid wind
well I get complimented on my SM tanking the last few days...so doing something wright lol
rapid wind
got a helm for like 5.5 gold total not bad
honestly when i run dungeons, I off heal, i tank sometimes, I don't really care if I am top dps.. and it benefits most groups better that way
sand raven
bears just kinda do a lotta dmg if you're playing right
vital kelp
If i just want to run dungeons, am i best running the Feral Hybrid Tank / Offspec DPS?
sand raven
thorns + swipe big damage
vital kelp
tanking in them dungeon btw
knotty ingot
Pretty sure anything is better than those points into Thick Hide.
vague iris
is there a way to get combopoints with elvui? or how do you guys got it?
narrow knot
Kuo nameplates or icehud
sand raven
this is what my talents are gonna look like at 56, I have 4 leftover points, how should I distribute them? Also, should I drop a few points of Thick hide to max out Feral Instinct & pick up other stuff?
At 60 I mainly want to play fairly casually, tank 5 mans, MC, ZG & maybe some BWL
royal fossil
did blizzard just manage to put a nerf out for druid?
amber mesa
Can anyone explain to me what the intention behind balance druid was in classic? why does wrath even exist?
mental crystal
Imagine thinking thought went into vanilla 
Its just random dartboard design shit for the entire game
royal fossil
the thought process behind balance was budget mage
karmic juniper
it's like that for like every caster
why does any spell exist besides the one spell that happens to be tuned the best
and you spam in your 1 button rotation
and why do you think druid was nerfed?
amber mesa
did they announce that somewhere
whole swan
yes wowhead
vague iris
lone bear
how do you do 900 crit on ravage at 30ish? i just about do 500
maiden current
A bit late but Threat plates show Debuff timer and Combo points. Switched to that after trying out Kui plates (or whatever the name was) Plus in Threat plates it changes the threat type based off of the form you are in.
vague iris
thx
cyan zenith
Honest question: So I've been tanking all the way to 50 with the demo-shout, how are bears supposed to hold aggro on 4+ targets, with the limitations of swipe?
Or are they just not supposed to
lone bear
they wont nerf it to the ground
steel tiger
im at 50 atm and solo leveling feels abysmal, I have to full heal from around 15% after every single pull
will Omen of Clarity make a night and day difference in leveling? or should I just dungeon as resto till 60 : / Feral atm
sand raven
the nerf isn't that bad for druids because swipe spam is super strong already
but lul warriors
also I just hit 40 & I have uhhhh 47g
after buying skills
mental crystal
nice
sand raven
y'all know a good way to make money for mount? I'm Sk / LW
steel tiger
just sell skins
the turtles off the coast of tanaris are a good target
people need turtle scales to get wild LW
they drop greys that sell for 10-25s
I got like 6g off of just greys after grinding for an hour
not including all the scales and skins I coulda sold
mental crystal
o yeah turtle scales are the devil
steel tiger
fucking 5 hours of grinding
to get all my scales
lmao
I grinded an entire level and still didnt get all the scales I needed
steel tiger
thats the way to go
neat zinc
is morgraine's might better for druid then manual pummeler?
for stat stick?
15 str vs 15 spirit
morgraine also has 17 stam
sand raven
wait do i need to farm those scales to get my wolfshead helm recipie?
sand raven
fuck i didn't know that
steel tiger
You need to complete the wild leather quest chain
which involves crafting turtle scale stuff, you need 122 scales I think
and it feels like I get a single scale every 2-3 turtles
so it was soul crushing to complete the quest
sand raven
is the recipie just a "train it at the trainer"
steel tiger
Yes, but I could not speak to the trainer until I completed the chain
sand raven
because fuck man I didn't know there would be this much work to get the recipie
i wanted to earn it legit myself without buying it off the ah
solid kiln
im somewhat tempted to go druid for mostly pvp (my main is a priest) - I want to be a flag carrier and a true hybrid feral, but I feel like people might be way more able to purge and stuff this time around
steel tiger
you on grobb alliance?
solid kiln
compared to 15 years ago
sand raven
ye
solid kiln
will druids still be pretty good?
steel tiger
hrm, I saw like 8 of them for around 7g 2 nights ago
sand raven
yes druids are still the best flag carreirs
steel tiger
gotta remember that WSG is like 6-8 months away though : /
solid kiln
I am also thinking mage which makes sense (earns more money, can flag carry pretty well, more desired typically)
is it really 6 months?
steel tiger
phase 3
solid kiln
i didnt know that
high kite
quick question: I havent unlocked bark skin yet, but can you use that in forms?
steel tiger
no you cant
sand raven
no
steel tiger
you cant use any spells at all in a feral form
sand raven
you gotta shift out, barkskin, shift in
high kite
That.. kinda sucks
high kite
Does it trigger gcd?
sand raven
think so
steel tiger
buy yeah, my wolfshead dream died when I realised how awful powershifting is pre 60
sand raven
either way you can't powershift
steel tiger
2 cat forms and im oom, is that 4 extra shreds worth it for an entire manabar : /
sand raven
@steel tiger yeah that's fair I don't think i'm gonna be powershifting much while leveling anyway
better to use that mana on more healing & pull faster
steel tiger
damn they are up to 12g now
still feel worthless atm
not necessary till halfway prebis i think
rapid wind
It's not really that worthless if you get jumped by a rogue or whatever
I got mine for 4 gold plus a small 1.5 gold tip
lone bear
do you not spread out the powershifts to use up all available energy?
clear hatch
anyone know a mod that shows dot timers?
class unspecific preferably, so i can use for lock and druid
chrome nova
omnicc might do it
maiden current
Ive been using threat plates
dense bronze
nugrunning
chrome nova
dyne*
clear hatch
thank you druids
clear badge
What is it called where if you re-cast rejuv it gives it a longer duration
remote lance
It doesn't. Closest thing is pandemic
chrome nova
Definitely called pandemic, its from MoP, not sure if it was global before WoD though
rapid wind
so go for nature's swiftness first or nature's focus
chrome nova
Should be swiftness first
The focus is generally something you pick up when you need to fill the points needed for next tier of talents, as its okay but not super necessary
zinc fiber
is there something like QELive for classic?
chrome nova
Pen and paper
vague iris
does anyone got a good hybrid tank/feral (leaning more to tank as cat though)
marble walrus
Any way to combine dismount and shapeshift in a macro that would work?
vague iris
is this one usefull for a hybrid spec? https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/014005001-5050501313122151-05
marble walrus
I think this one is standart levelling talents guide
vague iris
na for lvling you take feline swiftness for the 30% speed bonus imo
30% speed starting from lvl 21 is a huge boon
marble walrus
ah ye this one
is not that, its something else, weird, looks like a tank
or rather, just looks weird 😄
vague iris
its a hybrid between tank/feral, leaning more to the tank side
marble walrus
well dunno, certainly not an expert here, but I think i would go with feral agression over Thick hide
cold moth
feral cat dps here, ive a couple of questions
In the simplest of terms, how is damage calculated and is it better to go single handed weapon with off-hand or two handed weapon?
gilded anchor
For druids our attack power converts to our damage. Weapon damage is irrelevant so weapons for us are stat sticks.
1 str is 2 ap
1 agi is 1 ap, with some crit
Spirit helps with energy and rage regen levelling
And stam is health
zinc fiber
what about attack speed on weps does it matter?
vague iris
weapon matters 0
zinc fiber
for hot and dot ticks or bleeds etc
vague iris
only the stats on the weapon
cold moth
Oh right, so it's about the attributes, OK, that's clear enough
vague iris
nothing else
cold moth
for feral it's going to be strength and agility?
zinc fiber
agility and strength
rapid wind
well also depending on what you are doing
you want some mixed stats int and whatever if you intend to pvp
cold moth
Nah, I think I'll be mainly PVE
rapid wind
without a lot of intyou will limit your shifting
vague iris
then some int for mana so you can shift for energy
rapid wind
shifting is kinda a big deal in classic
cold moth
so 3/4 str + agi + 1/4 int?
gilded anchor
Depends what you're doing. If you're solo cat you want ago and spirit. If you're tanking dungeons, probably stam and str/agi
It doesn't really matter since your talents will dictate most of it
cold moth
I'll not worry about it
in terms of weapon, since it doesn't matter, wouldn't it be better to go weapon/off-hand for the stats?
gilded anchor
Probably
Whatever gives most stats aka attack power
A 30 attack power weapon is equal to 15 str etc
cold moth
So for a general rule of thumb look at attack power when changing weapons?
noble forge
pretty sure there are no agi offhands
gilded anchor
I don't mean weapon damage when I say attack power
noble forge
or practically none
gilded anchor
Separate stats
noble forge
so usually 2 hand is better
vague iris
either 2h with high str/atk or staffs with both atk/str
noble forge
atk means attackpower?
Im not sure if that combination actually exists but ye
just some 2 hand with stats
cold moth
Looks like what ive been doing is the right thing
gilded anchor
For tanking it doesn't matter anyway, the mages are gonna tank for you :P
noble forge
but for dungeons with randoms I'd be careful rolling away 2 handed weapons from warriors or palas
cause its simply a statstick for you
cold moth
I'll keep that in mind
I'll look at the stats of my current wep before I roll
Thanks for the help
gilded anchor
@vague iris If you're gonna tank id structure your spec more like this https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/014005001-5550001303002151-05002
cold moth
Nah, I'm goig to stay dps
vague iris
not complete tank shift
gilded anchor
Yea but taking 1/2 in certain points isn't as much worth even when swapping back and forth to cat form
If you're off tanking with another. Focus more on a cat dps spec
vague iris
like?
cold moth
my problem with partial spec is I feel like im going to be master of no trade
vague iris
is thick hide seriously such abad talent?
gilded anchor
You don't need armor as a cat
vague iris
but for bear?
gilded anchor
Furor and clearcasting are default picks. Then you talent your feral tree for either tanking or dps
A hybrid build will perform worse than 1 or the other
Bear form gives a shit tonne of armor
It's threat from damage that will cripple you most times
I see lots of people skip feral aggression for whatever reason. 15% bite damage is no joke
Do you wanna play starfire crit or hybrid with swiftness?
cerulean halo
What is the recommendet weakauras fro druid?
rapid wind
@cerulean halo Depends on what YOU want to do or see. I made all my own for classic. I have a few reminders about nothavingthorns / motw debuffs on target, combat/on off, some what spell i abolished / decursed. lighting up my frame green for poison / purple for curse
cerulean halo
for now guardian then after lvl20 feral
cold moth
Can druid use on hit effect like cobalt crusher ice blast from 2h mace
rapid wind
no
well you can use the weapon but the only time you will see it proc is when you are meleeing out of form
You want stats on your weapons..
@cerulean halo Well make some that show demoralizing roar and faerie fire on your targets, well all your debuffs unless you just want to use the target frame....
gilded anchor
Personally going into feral for charge really isn't worth it in the long run. You'd be better off dropping those points into deeper resto for natures swiftness as PvP boomy. The instant healing touch or entangling roots can change a battle
@cold moth
cerulean halo
Ah ok thought there was something
gilded anchor
@cold moth something along these lines for PvP https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/514050000150135--50510310231
Although starfire talent is a thing too. And once geared 3.7k+ starfire crits are a thing
You can take furor if you want over motw, but it's rare to go into bear outside of a desperate stun
Most times you're kiting with dots and healing. Then bursting them when they don't expect it
gilded anchor
@cold moth oh I completely forgot, this build also exists for bgs, it's less dps focused and more focused on dotting and running away. It's the 'boomy' version of the feral flag carrier spec
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/014350330200135--35500310031
noble forge
that specc seems real weird
gilded anchor
It's not designed as pure damage or healing, it's to get away from people and sustain
But I agree the feral version is better for fc
It's crit damage not crit chance
Because it's not the purpose of this build. The other ones I linked earlier you would since they're more damage focused
You pick up the utility stuff instead
For running away yea
It's a flag carrier build
gilded anchor
Yea
If you ever ran that you would have people around you. So you support with heals and dots. And extended range rooting
Exactly
It's not better, but it's there
Guaranteed root vs low chance to root
In live or die situations you want that root to go off
limber hollow
Hot Hot Hot nerf coming in for Feral tanks! Blessed blizzard
rapid wind
It's a nerf to both warriors and druids... but if it was broken, who cares lol
gilded anchor
It's not really a nerf as much as a necessary fix
Warriors had to sunder spam in vanilla anyway
But it cripples bear threat
Anyone know the threat that moonfire generates?
Whether moonfire pulling in and then shifting is worth
lone vigil
Yay, got a rubidium hammer my first BRD run. No warden staff, but it'll suffice until I get one
coarse mica
Why
near leaf
Change of pace. Played Feral Druid literally from 2005 to BFA now.
sand raven
anyone know what lvl the turtles are in tanaris?
i'm 40 & I heard its a good place to farm turtle scales
lunar crystal
druids are getting so much bad PR it's insane
that is the reason behind druids being least represented class in game too
gilded anchor
The oomkin meme isn't wrong though, were just better players now so its manageable
willow escarp
@sand raven Looks like there are two kinds - Steeljaw Snapper are 42-43 in the northern part of the eastern shoreline. Surf Glider are 48-50 on the southern shoreline
sand raven
oof thats too high level to efficiently farm, where can I farm turtle scales efficiently at 40?
or should i just wait
near leaf
I'd say kill time for Moonkin is definitely faster than Feral. Buuuut it's offset by the need to drink. It's not so bad, still faster than say priest/warrior leveling
noble forge
priest leveling isnt bad at all
warrior prolly have to chose mobs/quests very conservative
near mirage
social and parties/raids.
lunar crystal
does Spirit stacking help for oomkin leveling ?
near mirage
nothing else.
cold moth
Ah thhnx
near leaf
learning how to fish/cook ur own mp5 food is a must 😛
lunar crystal
sounds intense
near leaf
My next project once boomkin is bis tier 1 is Enhancement Shaman tank. Which I plan to tank UBRS with and that'll be the end of his career
lone bear
Spirit only works if you don't cast Spells for 5 sec?
noble forge
if you dont spend mana for 5s
sand raven
passive mana regen doesn't start unless you haven't cast in the last 5 seconds, spirits buffs the amount of mana you regen
lone bear
What will balance druids do when out of mana? Shift to cat and start thwacking the boss on the head?
noble forge
nah
not shift
just whack the boss I guess
but pretty sure they just have to make sure not to do that
sand raven
huh so there's some 36-37 turtles in dustwallow, good to know
noble forge
people in the comments of that said it had shitty dropchance tho
lone bear
Been quite happy doing engineering even tho there's not much to sell apart from ores
sand raven
killed 20 of the dustwallow ones, got 5 scales, droprate seems to be 20-25%
lone vigil
I did tanaris turtles at 43
frigid carbon
@sand raven way back in the day I farmed turtles off the north coast of Azshara. I dont know if the drop rate is significantly better but there'll be no competition because nobody has any reason to be there (no quests sends anybody there)
But I cant remember their level range so at level 40-ish they might be tough to kill
sand raven
which one should I use?
willow escarp
I'm certainly not an expert but I'd use Wolf Rider's Wristbands. It's less Attack Power, but the agility contributes a little to Crit which I like
maiden current
Thats what I was thinking too
lone bear
I'd go ap since you'll gain so little crit from the agi
willow escarp
that's also a fair point. It's certainly less than 1% Crit, probably less than .5% Crit I think?
whole swan
20 agi is 1 crit right?
remote lance
ye
the counter argument to that is that one extra ap or two isn't going to let you finish off a mob faster when you are leveling, whereas increased chance to crit can
willow escarp
does agi give any ap?
remote lance
i think the difference is pretty much negligible and is just humoring it from a strictly theoretical point
yes, agi= 1 ap, 0.05% crit, str= 2ap
willow escarp
gotcha - so from a damage perspective the choice here is 8 ap vs .05% crit
remote lance
vs 0.3%
willow escarp
right - math... 😉
remote lance
i would jts take the agi because of the "breakpoint" argument i had earlier, in addition to also more dodge
cerulean halo
Recommended weakauras for bear im lvl 17 at the moment
except leather workiing what a good second profesion for druids
cerulean halo
leather working is first
sand raven
skinning then