warrior with my girlfriend
#classic
rapid wind
No faerie fire ?
You put a massive amount of points into NG and you have improved shred which will be useless in most 1v1s... well you can try it but you will spend a lot of time trying to get behind people
little wigeon
why is improved shred useless in 1v1
just walk through people to get the backstab
i'm trying to put together the best duel/arena cat spec
rapid wind
don't think it's the best points spent since it's situational....
little wigeon
seems like a wasted point
sand raven
how
little wigeon
this spec goes into human form all the time
sand raven
yeah & you'd rather not spend like 300 mana on a human faerie fire
rapid wind
you know how much mana is ging to be wasted doing that
little wigeon
o didn't consider the mana
rapid wind
not only casting the spellbut the form shift if i was duelingyou i would simply autoattack you lol
rapid wind
I don't know how it will be a 60 but atm at 32, I would lose every single time to people if I sometimes even make one wrong shift
Many is so critical just to be able to go back into forms
little wigeon
it's another global to use in bearform too
i'm pretty sure i can dance around people to shred all the time
but maybe you guys are right
rapid wind
it's better to be stuck in bear form though than to be stuck without mana in caster form trying to weapon beat someone...(it's happened to me a few time) it's a very unforgiving spec but I guess we shall see how it is at 60 with practice.
Perhaps will be wanting to try to shred also... ๐
little wigeon
have you put together a lvl 60 build?
oh lmao i just realized my link didn't reflect the image
i would cut NG
but shapeshift mana cost reduction is prime
chrome nova
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/01-540202132320014-05542010031
something closer to this, hopefully the int would make up for shapeshift mana cost to some extent at least
would be a whole lot more damage
chrome nova
considering you are planning to be in bear and care about mana, its not the main reason for taking it
little wigeon
only in bear at max ~10s
i rekon the mana gained from natural shapeshifter is much higher
but i see your point
chrome nova
obv havent tried it, but yeah its worth considering
lone vigil
HotW is used for the 20% extra int more than anything else. And 80 AP is nothing to laugh at. The level talent is only 90 AP
little wigeon
so it's really 20% int 20% stam in bear, and 170 AP vs NG+30% shapeshift reduction
i guess 170AP is pretty hefty
faint frigate
is there a resto build i can go while leveling?
like can i just start building into moonglow? or should i stay building HOTW for the cat form while leveling
young latch
Just level as cat you can heal all dungeons as cat no troubles whole leveling
There is 0 point to hybridise while leveling just go full cat nd swap to 30/21 if you wanna do bear,/cat/resto at 60
faint frigate
so stay HOTW Build?
lone vigil
Rake is a bleed? Doesn't show as yellow to me if it's even applying
rapid wind
so many failure players at gnomregan.. dont invite hunters ๐ haha
ocean bobcat
Anyone have any good shapeshifting macros for classic? Just simple macros. Thanks!
ocean bobcat
Okay ๐
cold moth
:(
remote lance
never
chrome nova
tbh reading relationship advice while playing classic with gf is hillarious
tawdry wave
which professions are best for end game content as a druid?
i was gonna level leatherworking and skinning for the extra gold + ability to make my own gear during the leveling process, then go either herbalism/alchemy or something else
near mirage
More or less the only one that actually has a major impact would be engeneering.
if you're going to use all the consumables and gizmos it offers.
noble forge
alchemy doesnt do anything pretty sure
wraith quest
@tawdry wave depends what you want to do. Generally speaking everyone wants engi. Then if you're a tank you grab enchanting until you get your smoking heart, drop enchanting and grab blacksmithing for mith insignia
Not sure about second professions for other specs
rapid wind
How is alchemy not good.. mana potions are golden for us
you can make and farm a ton of useful recipes like shadow prot, frost oil
I get that engineering is probably the most impactful but i love my alchemy and I enjoy the quiet time farming herbs and fighting off gankers ๐
lone vigil
If you want to bear, you'll need to do enchanting to 225 for at least the trinket.
I'm dropping skinning at 60, making it, them going back to skinning
cold moth
Can you link the trinket please
native bear
grave notch
Quiet time and fighting off gankers in one sentence ๐
gilded anchor
Do we know the value of spell damage and healing done effects? Compared to say 1 int vs 1 so etcetcetc
rapid wind
so have two points, mark blood frenzy or primal fury or start doing a few restos or one point in NG geez decisions in life ๐
gilded anchor
What level?
gilded anchor
Yea keep going deep feral
rapid wind
seems great
gilded anchor
Furor after your last talent. Then work balance for clearcasting
coarse mica
I feel like I want nature's grasp before I finish feral
shit's nice when you pull too big
rapid wind
of ir you get jumped
coarse mica
yes
gilded anchor
Is big 2 mobs? 
rapid wind
I am balancing a pvp spec with decent dps
coarse mica
Is it only 1 root?
rapid wind
you cast it and if theyhit you it has a chance to proc
with only one point its like 35%
only outdoors also but if hi land that on any rogue i can get an abolish up and rejuv up and be in bear from ready to tank him
coarse mica
I still haven't bought abolish lol
rapid wind
but with one point in it kinda RNG
though wit how much the rogue hits you its a good chance
gilded anchor
Just war stomp and pray the blind misses
coarse mica
Night elf ๐
gilded anchor
I stand by what I said :P
rapid wind
yeah
with NE you can use shadowmeld after drink/eat since you can't do that in forms in classic so it'snot useless for us ๐
gilded anchor
Leatrix is so good. Doubles zoom our range and with tauren I can see the world now
You can stealth off meld if you're perfect
rapid wind
max camera zoom ?
gilded anchor
Yea
gilded anchor
Bagnon master race
coarse mica
Bag addons 
gilded anchor
You have no idea
gilded anchor
/layer exists btw
coarse mica
what?
gilded anchor
There's a layer channel
coarse mica
jezus
gilded anchor
So you can spam layers haha
gilded anchor
Don't worry it'll go soon
coarse mica
"soon"
gilded anchor
They're removing it in phase 2 pretty sure
coarse mica
yes, but how far away is that
gilded anchor
A month
Maybe 2
People need to hit 60 first
Then world pvp
Then bgs
Phase 3 is when classic has content
Imo
rapid wind
I had that one beore i found the port for adi
faint warren
Somewhere between bagon and original bags
rapid wind
So used to it ๐
faint warren
There's something calming about seeing the empty slots
rapid wind
LOL ๐
faint warren
I used adibags for a long time on live tho
lone vigil
I'm using a bag add-on that displays things based on what they are. I kinda like it, but bagnon has advantages too like showing quantities alts have on mouse over
covert rover
What is these empty slots you talk about?
rapid wind
I think he means that inventorium shows empty slots versus a number like adibag does
whole swan
Wonder how much shit like devilsaur leather and ore people have farmed already because of layer hppping
upbeat knot
So does shred replace claw as my filler in dungeons?
young latch
yes
torpid musk
You can but I would feel that if you can't get behind u claw.. If it's going to die before you can pool you finish or claw
upbeat knot
Do you know what level we get bite?
torpid musk
32
upbeat knot
Uggggh
torpid musk
I think.. Or 31
upbeat knot
Ty
torpid musk
Might even be 30 I only go check every few levels haha
coarse mica
Was it 32 we get ravage?
That makes life a lot easier
If that crits you do like 50% health damage
upbeat knot
Yeah definitely seems like skilld are every even level
upbeat knot
Nice crits in classic feel really good
coarse mica
Also gives 2 cp
upbeat knot
Its like not only did i actually get to hit him i did a lot of dmg
rugged zenith
When all that white damage critting,
"Damn, i don't need to heal myself after killing this mob!"
turbid ledge
God i wish blizzard would let us use that cat form in retail again, i miss it so bad.
rugged zenith
There's old cheeto glyph, dunno why they don't add old forms glyph too ๐ฆ
Maybe there'll be a lot of old thing coming back to the game next expac now that blissard have old stuff ready on their pocket
upbeat knot
Did they change tauren cat form?
mental crystal
cat
upbeat knot
Oh yeah still basically the same
covert rover
nelf cat doesn't have silly dingleberries around the neck
upbeat knot
We can all agree on one thing....
low steeple
Must warn the birbs of your approach
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almost 30 fellow gamers
upbeat knot
Bear form is way better now
covert rover
yeah
upbeat knot
Yeah idk what they thought bears looked like when makimg the game
covert rover
bearly a bear-form
digital badge
h-haha
meager forge
did they add diff color of forms based on hair color in wotlk then?
upbeat knot
I think that only applys to troll druids
vernal sand
Anything I should keep in mind if I want to focus on tanking in 60? Having trouble finding advice other than "lol dr00d suck at everything"
rapid wind
Never heard it quite like that.
remote lance
there's nothing you can really do after getting the correct gear
you don't even have enough bear only abilities to fill the bar iirc
shell scroll
for pvp what to spec is recommended?
vernal sand
@remote lance I'm not really able to process what that means. Nothing I can do after I get the correct gear? Nothing as in
remote lance
as in not a lot of things you can try to optimize
what button are you going to hit when your swipe is on CD?
maul is next melee so you queue as much as you can
vernal sand
Aha ah yes, Im with you now
remote lance
and then it comes to mitigation, other than keeping up Demo Roar (assuming shout isn't already being applied), there's also not much you can do
so other than the obvious of not standing in stuff (i dont even remember if there are a lot of ground effects in classic), your gear will directly dictate your performance as a tank. So you make intelligent choices, but past that there is very little under your control, at least compared to retail
vernal sand
So abit like playing mage was, you frostbolt and let the gear carry you, while avoiding stuff
whole swan
Well you spam your rotation, use pummeller and keep threat thats about it
Especially at start, theres not exactly a fuck load of mechanics for you to do
remote lance
Yep. Keep up ff and demo if no shout available. That's really it
whole swan
Dungeons just mong around and keep threat, no real mechanics either
Dont know if druid shout is bugged like warrior one
But warrior shout you can spam and keep aggro cause it gives dumb threat
remote lance
The ridiculous threat yeah
upbeat knot
It gives threat everytime?
Is that the easiest way for warrior to get threat in aoe?
vernal sand
Thank you @remote lance you've made me atleast want to keep my druid leveling up. Didnt roll druid until TBC so Im not familiar with the classic version
whole swan
Think when your spell cleaving dungeons the warrior just spams demo shout
And it keeps aggro and he doesnt have to stand tanking them he can just run about
Im not sure if druids worked the same though, tested it deadmines and didnt seem anywhere as good as warrior
whole swan
Try spamming demo shout a few times then see how it works
upbeat knot
She keep saying she needs more sunders
whole swan
Wont help with aoe if people are blasting
Just try shout, threat meter wont work unless full party has it right? So its hard to tell
upbeat knot
Well the other 2 dps are not really paying attention i think
I tried tellinf them to attack what shes attacking that hasnt been working
whole swan
What level you at
upbeat knot
22
whole swan
K so your not quite aoeing dungeons yet i dont think, try that shout thing today if you can, even a couple times to get initial threat then go damage might help. Im not sure i dont really like warrior was just messing around with it
Especially if just sundering 1 target, getting 0 threat on other mobs even healers gonna pull aggro off
upbeat knot
We aoe dead mines sort of
upbeat knot
Healer has pulled aggro several times
We have a hunter multishotting and dotting
Idk what rogue has but he always has aggro but i dont think hes doing a good job if working with tank
willow escarp
Rogues will do that if they aren't paying attention - they have such high burst early on that they can easily pull aggro
upbeat knot
Yeah i noticed i do slightly less dmg and i never pull aggro
willow escarp
I wouldn't worry too much about dps pulling aggro, that's usually on them. Healer pulling is concerning and shouldn't happen though
frigid carbon
I can confirm demo roar / demo shout is ez mode AoE threat. For warriors, battle shout actually generates a stupid amount of threat too but only if it hits all the the players in the party
upbeat knot
Ty for the help tho maybe itll makes our runs smoother
whole swan
Post back later on let me know how it goes
If you try it in a dungeon or something, curious if it helps
remote lance
Spamming shout and tab revenge will give you plenty of threat
stray kindle
well more like heal in pve, is it any good ?
shy pond
yes
sand raven
Feral cats the best spec for leveling
Balance is garbo
Full resto in Feral Gear is decent if you want to heal in dungeons & be as effective as a Balance druid while solo
Feral tank is the best tank in the game, you can solo elites pretty easily & even AoE farm
sand raven
maiden current
Did they use it once per boss? or burn through the charges per boss?
remote lance
i don't think geared bears are better than geared warriors in either threat or mitigation, especially when we consider thunderfury, but early on without raid gear druids outtank warriors
maybe pummeler is so strong that it outdoes TF, i am not sure about the damage department
but yeah, hunters needing ammo is just gold, farming a low level instanceis much more annoying, regardless of the supposedly high drop rate
if only it were a boe
whole swan
Dont really count thunderfury
remote lance
yeah, TF is too extreme and rare
whole swan
But without it, bears should do more based on what people have tested
But not many would wanna play druid when warrior is literally godmode at everything
remote lance
yeah, warrior is also top damage especially if equipped with threatwipestonelul
remote lance
i dont know but it belongs in P1
whole swan
Cant wait for drama when people give leggos to random classes just to meme
remote lance
HuNtEr WeApOn
whole swan
Go full meme and give moonkin sulfuras
remote lance
if we're going to meme at least make it useful and give it to shaman
skillful windfury procs
whole swan
Horde gtfo ๐
fresh jay
How many sulfuras can you get
remote lance
fine, paladin and reckoning bomb people; oh wait it's already removed
fresh jay
I mean in the course of the classic lifespan
remote lance
dunno, depends on your lucker
whole swan
Depends
Some people had bindings drop alot, and the 2nd binding just never dropped
So they had loads of people waiting on 2nd one
remote lance
great loot system
fresh jay
Ah
whole swan
TF was literally legendary
Incentive to keep farming
Doesnt make old raids useless, keeps some progression
remote lance
at least TF is only half of the instance if you really really really hate that place
whole swan
Best thing about how easy the content is, Will be able to find 1 day raid guilds
For people who play both games
Like 3 hours on a night on classic, you should speed through everything
For now at least
remote lance
clearly you just need a rogue and druid guild and just stealth to garr
remote lance
the dogs do
and also geddon needs dispel magic lel
i guess you can zerg him down though
remote lance
molten destroyers just have higher level so bigger detection range
whole swan
With full raid of 60s in prebis and few weeks of MC loot
lone bear
-cower then grabs threat and waits for cower to come up again-
sand raven
Druids are usually much better than Warriors in single target threat, the only way a Warrior can MATCH a Druid is dual wielding with Thunderfury & a dagger while in Fury talents, & at that point you're sacrificing so much mitigation to do so
lone bear
ferocious bite energy cap is 50 or 100?
and whats the conversion?
ah 1 energy 1 damage
lone bear
mm, the extra energy doesnt seem worth to use as
cold moth
I cast it on low health mobs so when they run away they take damage
rapid wind
I use it, as Soup said, of course having it on a rogue is nice as well. Though perhaps not something you would consider a massive priority
rugged zenith
Rake is good for fighting high lvl mob and you can't shred. It ignore armor
also good for fighting filthy rouge
lvl 37, what dungeon should i spam to get to 40?
because right now, the lowest quest i can do is 38 lol
young latch
Do the lvl 38quest
rugged zenith
yes sir
sterile beacon
is there a nice feral macro guide somewhere?
royal fossil
all the good classic feral macros are broken because blizzard said no to the old macro system 
mental crystal
haha yeah hate that i can't bind my whole rotation to one button the fascists
rugged zenith
is there sim for classic yet, Kapp
mental crystal
the boomers will DDOS anything that's made like that
frigid carbon
@sterile beacon here's a big collection of them, mostly for letting you use important abilities without having to manually swap forms: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/totally-pawesome-druid-macros-tested-in-beta-and-ready-for-classic/255251
rugged zenith
idk how it happened, but the lowest STV quest i have is Oranges... now i gotta go to badlands, atleast according to questie that's where most yellow quest for me are (plus there's few quest that told me to go there)
This is classic baby
rapid wind
what level are you now im 35 got a ton of quests in a few zones
@sterile beacon You can also ask in here some of us have worked on our macros and UI and talk about it
rugged zenith
37
lone bear
Am 32 and doing the norther quests in hillsbrad and arathi
Rake and rip are great against high levels due to miss miss miss and lower auto damage
rugged zenith
Is going bear and spam swipe a viable way to do cleave? lol
chrome nova
Rake on different targets ^^
rugged zenith
how about hurricane
remote lance
pretty sure you can only have combo point have 1 target so that doesn't seem that smart
i don't remember if hurricane did good damage, i don't think it did
rapid wind
The problem with going bear and swiping off and on is your going to OOM fast doing that
you can multi dot just not sure how efficient it is with stuff dying so fast
rugged zenith
Someone do the math
remote lance
ye if you're dps i feel like just dropping ST is better than trying to tab dot or do pathetic aoe dps
if tanking you just swipe on CD
chrome nova
I really dont think there is much point in trying to be super efficient with stuff, if its gonna be better to just do what your specc is decent at
remote lance
probably not but worst thing is going out of your way to end up being even worse
chrome nova
^
remote lance
maul is next melee so sure
rugged zenith
Yeah i feel like powershifting is the meta for Cat, which is a huge burst ST until mana ran out.
remote lance
https://vanilla-wow.fandom.com/wiki/Swipe_(Bear)
this is what i was looking at, cool if it was changed somewhere in between because filling with demo seems so annoying
rugged zenith
yeah wiki and stuff usually using TBC data for whatever reason
rapid wind
The problem with trying to swipe at least at level 35 with my talents is you still have to ramp up rage. I guess this will be different with furor a bit
remote lance
just spam pummeler so you can maul more
gilded anchor
We can't use polearms right?
young latch
we cannot
limber hollow
Wrath
young latch
they consoldated a bunch of weapon things in wrath
lone bear
Still didn't give us dual daggers, even now still no dual daggers
If they changed it then rogues wouldn't be almost the only ones going for daggers
remote lance
doesn't matter now that everything is on PL anyway for retail, guess that's one of their excuses for going personal?
lone bear
Pl excuse was to cut down on stealing complaints
remote lance
all these pug groups that cannot change to ML unless they have 80% loot stealing muh lewts
young latch
@lone bear oyu can pretend to dual daggers on retail just like you can pretend to dual fists
just use legion artifact apearances
rapid wind
Frost oil won't work in cat right ?
lone bear
In classic, equip effects don't work with kitty. Ap buffs do. What's frost oil again?
You mean the frost boss in aq?
lone bear
Gotta do it out of cat form
rapid wind
Well in most cases while levelling if you wait till you are high CP it's dead, and you wasted them ๐
lone bear
For rip, depends on if you'll do more damage than the equiv attack like claw or shred
Rip is over 12 seconds isn't it? 4 ticks then
upbeat knot
Well different combo point do different dmg
balmy spear
@lone bear well we got double daduer prodigious weapon tho
lone bear
Exactly, need enough cp and energy and time for it to be worth it
I meant actually using double dagger and not using legion legendaries
We were expecting dual daggers and fist weapons since wrath or even vanilla
balmy spear
But we can use fist weapon no?
cold moth
one
noble forge
is there a caster fist weapon from maexxna in classic too?
I remember there was one in wrath
if so thats probably the only one which has some use
balmy spear
Imagine cast with bear fist
zinc shale
balmy spear
If I remember well there is a loooooot of different skill in cat form
rapid wind
I think i managed to get a weak aura working that simulates a pounce stun spell ID lol
lone bear
Atm in classic, like how in vanilla, you can hold a single fist weapon or a single dagger, you can also hold offhand stuff like a branch or book or incence holder that just has stats and doesn't attack with
lone vigil
71 of the 112 turtle scales I need
worse is that I'm at 71 thick leather of the 226 I need hah
polar vine
do bear druids need to level weapon skills?
covert rover
nopes
polar vine
so the +10 staff skill on deviate armor set is useless?
covert rover
i would assume so yeah.. feral don't use the weapon skill for anything
it's just a stat stick for us
but you can jump out of bear form and whack it in caster form to make it matter
upbeat knot
So our feral combat skill is what matters when determining if we miss?
covert rover
i'm still lvl 16.. i dunno what skill that one is so i can't answer that one <.<
sterile beacon
does my wep skill effect me in kitty form?
covert rover
nopes
sterile beacon
Cool ty
covert rover
is what this convo started from XD
covert rover
the skill lvl you can get you mean?
sterile beacon
Yeah, like if my sikill is 100\200 i wont do less damaage cause its not maxed correct?
covert rover
yeah.. the weapon lvl doesn't matter at all in kitty form
covert rover
also means your weapons can't proc
so if there's procs on your weapons you'll never see them
on use works though
sterile beacon
Can t wait to get FB
lone bear
Feral proficiency in skills list is what you use in Cat and Bear form
Fb is 32? :3 I haz
covert rover
i can't wait to get cat form
i remember how good it felt back then
up to that is just slow and dull XD
i got seal form last night
so i have that going for me
covert rover
i still use zulian panther and tiger on retail <.<
lone bear
Cat form feels so weird with 15% speed
covert rover
so vanilla fits me in that regard
even worse with 0%
specced straight toward the speed
lone bear
Doesn't work inside tho
covert rover
yeah
remote lance
i have the wintersaber mount on live to show how stupid i was in the past
fresh jay
Or the present
sterile beacon
Any good addons for feral Combo points, and keeping track of our mana bar?
maiden current
I use Shadow unit frames. Shows mana and combo. Has Nug been transfered over? They have nug energy should have nug combo as well
near mirage
Was using dhud in vanilla, went back to an updated version of it now =P it's one of those (( )) huds in the middle and shows anything you'd ever need.
Also using Pitbull for the actual unitframes, I find it more customizable than shadowed or perl. That can add combo points to target as well.
had made it look similar to xperl a long time ago when I switched, still keeping that layout ever since. lol.
vagrant hemlock
Anyone here able to make a macro that fuctions similar to retail in shifting?
near mirage
cancelform, use form.
sterile beacon
Blood frenzy, improved shred, or Predatory strikes? which first lol trying to find a leveling guide to tell me whichj to take first
vague iris
merci
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i can also copypaste entire elvui string if you want
its also the one i use for mystic raiding
vague iris
would that change my whole elvui? if so thanks but no thanks. took me a while to make it like i want ;D
gonna use your guide for it.
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you just have to add thecustom text
with text format
what i have there
and it should owkr
and place it where you want
woeful depot
Does the party frames death bug exist in classic?
covert rover
which one do you refer to?
not that i know the answer.. i'm just not aware of the bug you refer to
willow escarp
I've been liking Luna Unit Frames. Can show mana bar in forms and show energy tick/5 second rule tick
mental storm
Can anyone explain to me, or show video, of correct dps rotation in cat form? Currently lvl 33, so explaining what I should be doing now and what I should be aiming for at 60 would be great. So far all my talents are in the feral tree
digital badge
im not smartest man on the planet
but i keep tiger fury buff up and claw when i have spare energy
open with shred if possible
and rip at ~~~3 CP
probably same dps as just clawing but i dont have mathematical proof
fluid sigil
its just claw or shred if behind till 5 then bite
if you have furor you shapeshift and burn your mana to gain energy when you're low energy but thats about it
lyric niche
do our Demoralizing Shout generate threat?
digital badge
pretty suire it does
upbeat knot
It does
zinc meadow
everybody would be terrified if someone screamed at them lul
marble walrus
I'm sorry, is there a macro command to cancel current shapeshift or, even better, to jump from one shapeshift to another?
rapid wind
Well you should be going from form to another... but sometimes you need to cancel to cast spells,e tc.
example:
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:5]
/cast [@party1] Rejuvenation
cosmic vector
My Combo pointโs donโt show on elvui, anyone know what setting? Classic ones different from retail and I feel like I looked everywhere
past grail
I am using my mouseover macro
#showtooltip Regrowth
/cast [@mouseover] Regrowth
How can i make it so that it also works when i am not mouse overing?
past grail
example?
rapid wind
/cast [@mouseover] [] Regrowth
low steeple
Stealing mah thunder =p
rapid wind
Sorry
past grail
What would I put in the [] for it to be my current target?
rapid wind
Just remember you need to cancelforms whenever you want to cast any spells UNLESS you wish to manuallly cancel theforms which is kind of dumb...
low steeple
Yeah
past grail
Still says i have no target
low steeple
Try @mouseover,exists,help
low steeple
=)
past grail
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sick merlin
delicate minnow
rapid wind
it helped me almost one shot this warlock who was going to 2v1 a lower warrior ๐
frigid carbon
I've only heard to use tiger's fury during an opener but not in the middle of a rotation. When else do you use it?
Do bleeds snapshot it?
rapid wind
I still want to figure out how to see the health of a pvp player....I see some old videos ad it shows that in some of them just not sure which... it's hard to tell how geared someone is
digital badge
is omen of clarity
not supposed to proc in cat form
or what
i have never seen it proc
next rock
Any good addon to see Combo points? ๐
cosmic vector
^im using elvui and it isnt showing
dense bronze
https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=7771e648ea53f8e5efc9b1c7b5b8c218&id=24935 is generally well liked
atomic plaza
thoughts on wolfshead helm in pvp?
torpid musk
You can make an easy CP viewer in WA can share mine later..
digital badge
i dont feel good about it but wanted to test damage
same level target
o also missplayed by clawing instead of shred
oak fossil
anyone able to advise if levelling alchemy on an alt will be worth it or will there be things that i won't be able to send back to my main?
torpid musk
As a druid at least for now cant think of anything that helps more than mana potions lol. Might change at 60 not sure if there is a lot of bop important things though
torpid musk
Alchemy herb not so bad but then again I fins herb farming peacceful
gilded anchor
No druids don't have a requirement when it comes to professions. Most will take herbalism as it's easy in travel form. Alchemy pairs well with herbalism. However if you want to take PvP or even pve to an extent seriously then you would take engineering
And yes mana pots are super important as are mana runes
clear badge
Does anyone have a decursive macro
gilded anchor
To do what?
clear badge
for abolish poison and remove curse
gilded anchor
Just use 2 separate keys
clear badge
literally not what I am wanting
gilded anchor
Or shift modifier on the same key
clear badge
Does anyone have a decursive macro ๐
clear badge
Yeah, for someone that has limited hand mobility due to having a stroke.
He can't have a ton of macros
and decursive used to be a thing, and it's what I'm looking for.
gilded anchor
To my knowledge it doesn't exist
I've tried looking
It's like pally power where it played the class for you, they broke it
I'll have another look though
Yea it appears to be broken in the games apl
And macros cannot do what you're asking
You can bind decurse to a button, and the abolish poison to a shift modifier. E.g. I use R and shift R
Druid has one of the most buttons in classic too
So if that's an issue maybe reroll
torpid musk
I use 2 colored WA and a bind for RC and ABP each... I have mouseover in those also in case can frame hover also
Hey and I am sure I will beat some engineers though good chance might drop herb for engineering at some point if it bothers me too much
cold moth
So druids in classic are feral basically right
willow escarp
Canโt you do a cast sequence macro with both poison and curse? The spells fail of they have nothing to remove.... does cast sequence continue if a spell fails?
coarse mica
for leveling yes
lone vigil
I'm staying feral at 60 regardless
gilded anchor
There's a hybrid balance resto spec at 60 with full spell damage gear for pvp
Or a feral resto flag carrier build
lone vigil
I don't even know if I want to raid and if I do, I'm sure a full set of resto gear will suffice through aq 20
clear badge
the issue @willow escarp is the mana being wasted
brazen urchin
@clear badge I donโt know how helpful it is but foot pedal as modifier might be an option just in general?
brazen urchin
No problem, could make a lot of things easier if they can use foot pedal + key that is easy for them to hit
gilded anchor
Omg foot pedal is next level
That's like 15 extra binds
Naga mice can be good too
9+ buttons on your thumb
torpid musk
Yep I use a g600
So if anyone figures out to get enemy player hp on target frames let me know :)
gilded anchor
There's an add-on for that
@torpid musk
Don't think it can read players though
gilded anchor
You'd need something that can read a players 100% and immediately update when damage is taken to work out the mathematical theoretical health
torpid musk
Ywah I see it do rhat I think
digital badge
did anyone ever see an omen of clarity proc
ever
LMAO
now i see it
you actually have to cast it
i feel so dumb rn
royal fossil
young latch
@digital badge your living up to classics opinion of retail raiders
vague iris
it is, but you need to cast it before it can proc
atomic torrent
when you're casting a spell and get meleed how much cast time does each hit cost you?
digital badge
@young latch its fine, ill just live in confidence im still better than them anyway. standig still and casting 2abilities doesnt really make for exciting raiding experience
wheat lava
I don't use it at all feel the same way
Don't even have it on my actionbars
Although I did find out recently it adds flat dmg not %
So rank 2 might seem decent
lone vigil
If you aren't going to get 5cp I like tigers fury. It's a noticeable increase to your auto attacks
dreamy atlas
Druid 60 can do crazy stuff as balance for pvp since mana becomes less of an issue to shapeshift
surreal crest
You can cast tigers fury in stealth, so itโs can be a nice little bonus to your opener while trying to sneak up on a mob while it changes the way itโs facing 45 times in 6 seconds
And then eventually just walks over you and smacks you with itโs staff
dreamy atlas
You will do a lot more damage if you stealth and ravage
surreal crest
Iโm saying it doesnโt break stealth, so you can cast it while positioning, and then open with ravage
dreamy atlas
i guess you could wait for a energy tick, tigers fury and ravage
druids are really fun in vanilla
surreal crest
Also probably wouldnโt waste the energy if I wasnโt capped
rapid wind
I did thaton some warlock who was trying to gank a friend crited him for 90% of his health lol ๐
near mirage
I remember doing that on a sitting mage in original classic =P it just.. made a noise and was flat. =P
torpid musk
So anyway early on not sure about how efficient it is to remove rogue poisons but be prepared for a lot of gouges and stuns try to sneak in a rejuv and NG / abolish but gotta stay iin bear or you gonna die fast... around 30s pvp . Setting up my own wa timers also for both debuffs and enemy buffs as well
Gotta decide at 37 now to get heart or start on furor
At this point don't care for being good at ave.. Just want some edges in PvP so dunno haha
vague iris
is there a way to add mouse over in classic?
like healing the player your mouse is about, not you if you got the enemy as a target ?
rapid wind
yes
just use @Mouseover macros
The macro system is actually the live one with a few omissions due to those options not being in classic. (Like @focus)
vague iris
thx Midian
rapid wind
#showtooltip
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform
/cast [@mouseover,help][] Remove Curse
This will take you out of form, and cast on your mouseover, if not then your target
Note that some spells will take you out of form but won't cast unless there's a reason to cast. (Like remove curse and early cure poison)
noble forge
@mousever is equal to target=mouseover
and second bracket is default use
so with selfcast on its target >= you
vague iris
thx Ente
raven oar
what should I use for feral dps, manual crowd pummeler (assume no active) or the rockpounder
have no idea how to judge the value of crit vs AP
gilded anchor
If you guys are healing dungeons. I suggest going deep balance, pick up moonglow then spec into resto for natures swiftness later on. My healing and mana usage has improved and you can also out dps people on bosses
Plus having improved thorns and motw is op
4 hours of Cath runs and my thorns was tanks top damage by double
lone bear
does your int affect thorns damage?
gilded anchor
Nah
rapid wind
@gilded anchor For feral would you start furor or keep going to Heart of the Wild? I generally tank / dps dungeon and pvp
gilded anchor
To my knowledge most ferals go 31 into feral to get heart, then furor, then work towards clearcasting in balance
Your feral spec is based on whether you cat or bear
For threat gen etc
lone bear
fail a claw or shred or rake, lose 10 energy, fail rip, lose 10 energy, fail FB lose all
sturdy escarp
is this sacrilege?
lone bear
no durid is 4 fite liek katt
sturdy escarp
ah i see you too worship the same god
cold moth
@raven oar
raven oar
that doesn't really say how much dps each gives, 20 agi gives 1% crit but 1% crit isn't equal to 20 agi in dps since 20 agi gives 20 AP+1% crit
chrome nova
Crit value isnt static
tulip kiln
raven oar
of course but how can I evaluate the value of it for myself
remote lance
sim or napkin math base on your breakdown
raven oar
you can sim?
cold moth
The classic Druid discord has all sorts of sim spreadsheets and gear sheets
quaint condor
gilded anchor
1 str is 2 ap so yes?
Weapons for us are stat sticks
All your damage is built into forms
wild marlin
this is SO sad
gilded anchor
What level? 
wild marlin
40
gilded anchor
Mount?
gilded anchor
:(
vague iris
just hit 5g, down to 1g due to spells/jobs
gilded anchor
Sad face
fluid sigil
+53 healing spells very descriptive 
wild marlin
quit boomin
vague iris
isnt it the only aoe spec we got as a druid?
gilded anchor
The mana regen is so good
mental crystal
imagine calling someone a boomer while unironically playing paladin in classic
peepee loaf
wild marlin
fluid sigil
@wild marlin UwU axe
main marsh
disgusting alliance scum + paladin
noble forge
@raven oar no stats are static, AP isnt crit isnt hit isnt all stats scale with each other
just not that simple to say
vanilla is simpler compared to live because there are (realistically) fewer stats at least for feral
stiff vortex
are the servers down?
wild marlin
im gonna SMASH everything man this rock elemental had 300 hp
i just know it hadmy quest item
regal mason
any good gear manager addons?
...not that i have the bag space or the gear just yet...
lone vigil
hmm, is anyone else having issues with lotp dropping if you repeatedly shift forms? Someone posting about it on mmo-c.
covert rover
pretty easy to check.. they clam some of the servers are down
solid kernel
Hello , how i know if the npc have armor?
wild marlin
freedom
stoic jungle
so servers getting raped was true?
covert rover
dunno.. noggenfogger is fine for sure
i haven't really seen any in here complain about servers being down as they claimed
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
stoic jungle
i cant get into rattlegore and i get msgs like "world server is down"
near mirage
Keep getting dc'd from Mankirk, other servers can't even get to the selection screen.
in situations like this is amazing to watch the Latest Tweets feed @blizzardCS. so much hate and stupidity going by.
covert rover
I have no doubt
near mirage
well he needs a better aim then =P
Jokes aside, I just hope they'll get bored / run out of credits soon.
near mirage
it seems fine now? I see most servers getting to high / full again.
rapid wind
Not fine just woke up and trying to get int... not going well lol
Ok I lied got in now.. lol
drifting spade
How would I go about making a macro that lets me use farie fire feral while in feral but also allows me to use farie fire
would it just be a simple
/cast Faerie Fire
/cast Faerie Fire (Feral)
since abilities don't take you out of form it should just run through the macro and cast whatever one is available?
low steeple
/cast [form:1/3] Faerie Fire (Feral)```
I'd think would work, though you'll probably need to check the form numbers for bear and cat since I'm not actually sure of themcat should be 3
low steeple
updated it; thanks
though I dont' actually know if that works XD I just think that's what it should be
rapid wind
I don't see what it wouldn't work ๐
remote lance
that's basically how that works, especially when it's using BFA macro system
near mirage
you can put it in the same line.
mental crystal
tanaris
near mirage
/use [form:1/3]Faerie Fire (Feral);Faerie Fire``` should account for boomkins. (do they exist?)for the one-button-faerie macro from a bit earlier.
mental crystal
tanaris
wild marlin
my wife..
ah yes.. stuck in the ocean from dcing on a boat
surely this was intended
near mirage
true to classic.
young latch
@wild marlin #nochanges
mental storm
As feral druid what stats should I pr]ioritize?
whole sleet
strength, agi as dps, and agi, stam for tank i would guess
remote lance
Crit>mastery=haste=vers
mental storm
@remote lance i meant classic
cold moth
well that was mean
vivid wolf
It was. But Hippo not wrong.
Level 24 and down on health. You run. Or get eaten. As in the above example.
rapid wind
Nah... most horde alone dont attack me solo.... around same level anyway
dense bronze
Only way hippo can win PVP with playing a paladin is by attacking poor kittens 20 levels below
tsk tsk
cosmic vector
oof
main marsh
My favorite thing in classic, is killing warriors paladins with rank 1 frostbolt
rapid wind
My favorite thing in classic is the same as retail, taking out the disrespectful, overconfident emote spammers ๐
torpid musk
Got a few points in furor... omg when it works it's so quality of life I'd you like to shift
main marsh
Na still getting ddosed?
narrow knot
Shifting is getting so mana intensive at level 43. A regrowth and back in cat for puts me below
50%. Rough...
wet pasture
do you have the talents that makes it cheaper?
rapid wind
You have to go into balance for that ....
I dunno i have a choice to make a variety of recommended specs
wet pasture
its worth it for feral dps
rapid wind
I might avoid nature's focus improved enrage and g down balance a bit
I guess it depends on how much you care about shifting and mana which I do a lot. I am going against the recommendations atm and taking furor over heart of the wild but don't regret it.. sure i miss out on some damage and some mana but I get to do stuff faster when I switch forms
wet pasture
it also depends if you are going for the wolfshead helm
wet pasture
leatherworking
rapid wind
I guess it will be expensive to make ๐
wet pasture
these 3 talents in the balance tree are really good for feral btw
rapid wind
Yeah though would have to sacrifice some PVP stuff in resto ๐ฆ
NS heal is awesome
I guess it depends on if you pvp and how you pvp, and if you want to raid more
wet pasture
im not sure which is better for pvp
i imagine you shouldnt go those talents in the balance tree for feral pvp
rapid wind
i might put 5 the 5 points in NG and just get 3 natural shapeshifter.. we shall see...
i like being able to shift more
but would have to sacrifice a few things ๐
hallow aurora
is druid tanking as bad at 60 as some of these guides state (constant threat probs, poor gear itemization, always OT)?
remote lance
no, they're fine as long as you know which pieces to get. The issue is really convincing people, as well as warriors eventually catching up and pass
hallow aurora
that's good to hear - i just enjoy the feral tree more than warrior, so that's good to know. ty
karmic juniper
hallow aurora
where do they become the worse option then? i see it in several places and am just wondering (/hoping) if it's hyperbole
remote lance
when warriors get better raid gear
someone here insists that druid is the better tank all around, he shows up every now and then and you can discuss with him. I don't know vanilla numbers enough to agree/disagree
but i believe you can hit armor cap with a minimal amount of raid gear, at which point your scaling plateaus
hallow aurora
i appreciate the info
gilded anchor
How much value does 1 spell power/healing hold?
remote lance
(spellpower) times (base cast time)/3.5, instant casts count as 1.5
it's really hard to draw stat conclusion like that, especially when you don't have a lot of downranking option available early on
noble forge
@cold moth you cant that easily define that depends on fight duration etc and especially low level downtime / drinks matter too
lone bear
whats the macro for do auto attack?
low steeple
/startattack I think
fluid sigil
yea /startattack
lone bear
perfect, thanks
lone bear
i just put it on my shred/ravage button
noble forge
fuck brd
pallid spindle
druids cant use polearms?
remote lance
nope
vague iris
wotlk thing
pallid spindle
hmmm
noble forge
where there even good polearms
in classic
found only one decent one from AQ 40 and a hunter one in naxx
and the dogshit one in MC
hardy remnant
hey anyone who can help me with the powershift macro ? got a weird problem..
hardy remnant
So leader of the pack wont activate every second time when f i use /cancelform /use catform?
its gcd related?
swift trout
Is there a recommended weapon type for feral to use, since polearms aren't an option?
chrome nova
Literally whatever gives you the most stats
swift trout
Doesn't matter if it's 1h or 2h?
And I forget, but weapon dps has no effect on feral, does it? Just attack power + other stats?
swift trout
So ideally I probably want to find a good agi staff if they exist
noble forge
and yes weapon speed or dmg
is irrelevant
could argue a bit early on that you may sometimes want to auto in human form
but its rare as fuck
swift trout
I thought so, ty for confirming. Working through the mid 30's now, but I've been using a lvl 29 green staff
tawny acorn
is there a functioning version of the Alamo durid addon for Classic?
digital badge
what does it do out of curiosity
nameplate scrolling text on classic is top comfy
make crits bighuge
tawny acorn
says one of Alamo's lines when you enter a form
digital badge
lmao
noble forge
why would it be wrong?
lone bear
thought pounce was usuall equal to ravage but cant crit
noble forge
ravage is reduced by armor
oh
I
bamboozled my self
but ye ravage is reduced pounce isnt and pounce stuns
lone vigil
Pounce will be lower damage. You use it for the stun opener
I got to tank zf yesterday. Was fun
upbeat knot
hey does snapshotting exist in classic?
noble forge
think so
wild marlin
it existed in wotlk for locks
and mop for others
iirc
dont think it works in classic
dont quote me though
sand raven
for just spamming roots on someone you should use r1 right
rapid wind
i didnt even train anything past rank 1 yet
because I just assumed the above and trying to save a bit of coin ๐ lol
Sucks how far away highlevel players can see you in stealth...almostn o chance to get away from high level tard warriors
remote lance
lolwowworldpvp
sand raven
anyone have a macro that uses Faerie Fire in human form & Faerie Fire Feral in cat/bear form?
near mirage
/use [form:1/3]Faerie Fire (Feral);Faerie Fire```thank you!
fallow folio
Quick question, is Cat form with dash faster than travel form? It seems like it's the same speed but I just want to make sure
jaunty skiff
yes dash is 50%, travel form is 40%
remote lance
dash is faster, especially outdoors when you are reasonably comparing the two
mental storm
@hallow aurora I dont tank so I'm not 100% sure, but all the guides I saw say tank is bad for druid because it's hard to keep threat on multiple targets. Also you don't dodge or parry or something like that, so some of the really hard bosses have crushing blows, and they hit you hard enough to cause wipes. Warriors can dodge or block or parry or whatever it is to stop that
@fallow folio Yse dash is 50% speed, so it seems similar beca;use it's only 10% difference. But dash also has a 5 min cool down. Might save you in tricky situations or PVP, I like to save it since I play on PVP server
I only use it if I'm going to a town and I'm going to afk for a few minutes to use the bathroom or take a break
chrome stone
can someone answer a druid question for me
Well basically im looking for a good powershifting macro, i have one that works it takes me out of cat and back in but for whatever reason when i do it, it drops leader of the pack
noble forge
@mental storm its defense cap which druids cant get
but from everything ive heard its not really important anyway
chrome stone
but it is intended?
like its not the macros fault?
because i can shift shift by clicking and it doesnt drop?
ehh nvm
i cant
noble forge
I dont have a 40 druid so cant replicate
but doesnt seem intended at all ive heard that happen from others too
mental storm
Like I said, I'm really not a druid tank expert. But most players say it's bad, most of the high profile websites say it's bad, and since people are going to be following those websites guides and recommendations, they're going to pick other classes over you to tank. If you go tank druid you'll probably have a hard time trying to convince people to let you do it. It is a game and perfectly acceptable to play the way you want, you just gotta think what kind of game experience you want
At least for raiding. With smaller dungeons it's ok,
chrome nova
@chrome stone read something earlier, might have something to do with some gcd or icd or something, could be worth testing out some timers etc.
And that you dont do it mid gcd
lone vigil
i haven't tried macros, I can't replicate that just by clicking
maiden current
Hey guys, dumb question. Does cat druid get swipe?
I dont see it in my book or my trainer
covert rover
In bear form
maiden current
Ah so we dont get it in kitty. That sucks
rapid wind
Any tips on holding threat, I am spamming swipe, the debuff, and putting fF On targets tab and swaping to attack yet anyone 1-2 levels can generally pull threat over me... what am I doing wrong ๐ ?
rapid wind
yeah i seem fine with just about anyone who is my level and lower
coarse mica
That's why I usually do dungeons at a bit higher level