rip
#classic
faint frigate
covert rover
it's not a game that is meant to be optimized to the level we do to this day
covert rover
yeeah
i guess that's their kind of fun
i'm just chilling
got 1½ level yesterday .. with half of it being rested <.<
faint frigate
yeah kinda a bit random of a tree
mental crystal
i'm reaching the part of the game where i'm having to ping pong between three different zones to get proper quest progression lmao
covert rover
which lvl are you?
mental crystal
39 
covert rover
man
way way ahead of me
i'm going to get ganked so hard the moment i get out of the safe zones
XD
mental crystal
oh yikes that far back
mental crystal
dw by the time you're in pvp zones most people will probably have given up on classic
👴
covert rover
i had important stuff to do today.. making applepie and oven dried tomatoes and such.. first been able to sit down a moment ago
lol
probably true
solar halo
any1 that knows a addon or wa that makes me see the numbers i heal on my target?
currently i can only see the numbers when i heal myself
would really appreciate if some1 could help me out
covert rover
pretty sure you can eneable numbers on other targets too in the standard menus
solar halo
doesnt seems like it
covert rover
there's a pane in settings showing your numbers on the left side and you can pick other ones on the right side or so
hum
lemme check. .if i can log in <.<
solar halo
thanks hunny
covert rover
whew no queue wtf is this dark magic
solar halo
i got u
covert rover
meh.. looks like it's indeed a later thing
covert rover
no sadly not.. i'm being proper vanilla boye and have zero stuff currently
i'll fix that when i reach a proper lvl
fluid sigil
@mental crystal did they not nerf the 10 man farming thing
or something with the exp being calculated properly now
after 5 people
mental crystal
don't think the nerfs came into effect yet or whenever i was playing
but over the whole weekend
all of LFG was just people desperate for mages
so they could run SM over and over for 18 hours a day
fluid sigil
yea
imagine doing that and not enjoying the game
I did 5 runs and seriously wanted to end it all
mental crystal
i'm doing 1 (O N E) run and that's for the quest
fluid sigil
I dunno what the rush is for some people in my guild lol
mental crystal
fluid sigil
yep
there are mages fully kitting themselves out in full + frost damage gear
I sold some bracers that were +7 frost damage
for 1 gold
to a guildy
mental crystal
i mean im not even convinced it's that much faster than just questing efficiently unless you actually have a proper group
I've been keeping up with guildies who were doing it this week
i can understand our warrior doing it
fluid sigil
nah it is so much faster but it's like yeah
turns the game into ultimate boring grind might as well afk while doing it if ur not a mage
mental crystal
i mean if you're pugging it my anecdotal experience shows me it's not xd
chrome nova
@faint frigate looked managable until you got to the resto tree
fluid sigil
thats the thing as well geo LOL
some guildy was saying that it requires strats and is complicated to do the pulls
"comparable to M+"
were his words
mental crystal
lmfao
i meant just not a group of 10 dogshit r-words
which is probably quite a rare thing to come across in classic xd
faint frigate
where did i fuck up XD?
chrome nova
I mostly just do a dungeon a few times if that even and mostly for gear
You fucked up on the mark of the wild + healing touch
faint frigate
2 in mark and 3 in HT?
chrome nova
yeah the 3 in HT are pretty much entirely wasted
faint frigate
do we not want NS?
chrome nova
the 2 in mark is kinda fine, as it brings something extra too the group
NS is fine
tbh im considering picking up a point
faint frigate
At endgame i wanna play moonglow druid
chrome nova
its nice to have a "get out of sticky situations" spell
faint frigate
be big healer
yeah
but im using the HOTW build to level cause cat form is easier to level with
chrome nova
yeah, well its gonna get expensive to respecc several times, and you are starting to reach some important points in feral, so you could always just keep it like this
near mirage
There's travel in your future.. 🎵
faint frigate
IS?
chrome nova
you keep putting it in the feral tree 5/5 in the 2nd talent there, then you get feral swiftness
faint frigate
put last point in feral aggression?
chrome nova
yeah
chrome nova
then feline swiftness (15/30% MS + dodge in cat) -> (2/4/6% crit in bear/cat form)
faint frigate
pog
waxen kiln
hello guys, trying to feral druid in classic here, currently lvl 20, but went to read alot and its sad, everyone say that feral dosnt work in classic, it is like that?
vague iris
In raids it won't work good
sand raven
anyone know of an energy tracker addon? I can't find any on curse
near mirage
if you manage to do it, report it because it's a bug and shouldn't happen.
young latch
Front shredding is only from private servers it was never a thing in vanilla and will never be a thing in classic @digital badge
royal fossil
they just did rag without any fire res and shitty gear
im pretty sure a feral druid can raid
young latch
Yes. Theresa big butt here tho
sand raven
2 days ago
young latch
That guild has been killing rag every week for the past like decade
sand raven
Feral druids can do as much damage as rogues but need to spend a lot more money to do it
young latch
No they cant
whole swan
Not as if MC was even a challenge for them, They 1 shot everything with only 25 60s
sand raven
Feral tanks are better than Wars but can't do certain fights
whole swan
So many guilds will go through it exactly the same
Its not difficult, its more difficult actually getting to 60
royal fossil
im just gonna go in assuming that most classic raiders are retail rejects 😎
whole swan
MC is basically LFR
young latch
Someone putting in the same ammount of effort on a rogue or a feral. The feral will do at most 50 or 60% of the dps of a rogue. And bears are viable but deffinatly not better than warriors
A bunch of the general public just normalguilds will take a while to kill rag
whole swan
Whats stopping them though, its not like they are mechanically hard fights to learn
If people understand dont use debuffs if you aint assigned, and play properly. The bosses will all fall over
Outside of move out with this, dispell this / decurse this
young latch
Ppl are very very bad at this game
Super just gutter trash
And leveling and playing classic is simple enough that casual guilds in classic will struggle
whole swan
Give it like 2 months or something should be a decent pop hitting 60. Still sitting at 12k queues when i try to log on around mid day which is annoying, worst bit is logging on
young latch
Most ppl are sheep following the herd to PvP relms
Hence the high queues
And the whole not being at the pc and cheating the afk timer
covert rover
🐑
noble forge
a lot are literally botting
royal fossil
ok but afk macro is just shitty game design
near mirage
kind of difficult to design around that without being a pain in there for normal players.
Or you could start being like other crap games that will ban you if you're using autohotkey to control the volume of your media player. Great design. =P
whole swan
Assuming they even catch people for it though, So many are doing it
near mirage
I think that WoW checks for things actually in game, not much in the realm of process scanning anymore.
for the anticheat I mean.. like, if you're moving faster than what you're supposed to, or things like that.
because the false positive from process scanning wasn't worth their time. When I was trying to write an AHK script to use a Microsoft SideWinder Strategic Commander, I went back and forth with support for a while to make sure it was allowed and basically the end answer was that as long as one action resulted in one command being sent to the game with no automation, it was fine.
cyan forum
what tree i do want to go with for leveling?
near mirage
feral, faster running.
whole swan
People are using like remote desktop with click to move and clicking from mobile every x amount of minutes, Dont think they can do anything about it. Its not breaking any rules its just scummy
near mirage
yeah.
some do have ahk scripts to just randomly interact tho. I think that was what it was pointed at. Not sure tho.
whole swan
Yeah people do that, or just keyboard macros
Pressing jump every x amount of mins or whatever, but if you go in random houses you see people sitting there doing it
lone vigil
would I be able to easily use my workshop key to sneak in and kill pummeler at 36?
whole swan
Not solo, but why would you even want it for levelling
lone vigil
it has the most str of anything for a long time outside of a couple BoE
Like I literally almost spent 10g on a Viscous Hammer just to get something better than an 8 str hammer
whole swan
I wouldnt waste gold on shit like that when levelling, you will want all your gold for mount
Idk i never did gnomeregan when levelling, hate that place
lone vigil
as a druid screw mounts
whole swan
It still saves you a huge amount of time
lone vigil
only if you travel anywhere more than 30 seconds. And I was never going to be in a position to get it
I have 15g at level 36
near mirage
one must starfire, you don't understand! =P
near mirage
Yeah, I'm joking =P I literally did 10-20 with just maul
it was tedious. but saved a lot of money
whole swan
Get a friend who can heal, pull loads of mobs thorns + swipe will kill em, better then 1 mob mauling
near mirage
Friends cost more than epic mounts -.-
remote lance
sounds like you need cheaper friends
whole swan
Make some, its classic
near mirage
I'd have to play only 3 hours at night when they're home from work. ç_ç
lone vigil
If you're level 35+ there's no one around
lone vigil
I count myself lucky that I was able to do alterac last night even
noble forge
or elixirs
near mirage
I mean I do have a group to play with, but I'd have to pay them vacation time from their job to have them stay around lol =P
whole swan
Have you been stv yet? How bad was it
lone vigil
STV is easy, but I appear to be on a less populated layer
I need a miner friend to save 2g
bloodstone ore price gougers
rapid wind
There's no way to like put something into a macro where if you are below a certain mana level it wont allow you to shift out of form ?
remote lance
current macro system uses legion system so no
in vanilla you could have those "ifs"
so #notmuhvanilla
quaint fossil
I want the real one button that always does the correct spell experience
rapid wind
sorta redesigned my UI and it looks great now
royal fossil
they kinda butchered the game by not allowing the good and well aged macro system to be abused again
sand raven
^^
dense bronze
@remote lance BFA
wet pasture
There is a way in BFA to do "if" statements
And I think you can in legion/classic as well
dense bronze
Macros in vanilla had little to no limitations (same with addons), you could do pretty much anything
dense bronze
Ahhh remember the whine when it got nerfed
"how am I supposed to decurse people now?!"
remote lance
lel
near mirage
I just wish they'd left some of it, at least the part that you can still replicate with an extensive macro. like check which form you're in, cancel it and do what you needed to, go back to the original form.
or.. give unlimited macro slots so I could write one for everything I want to do. lol.
noble forge
@wet pasture nothing close to old vanilla stuff
like cast decurse if someone has a curse
or pot if you hp is < 20%
stuff like that isnt possible
near mirage
you can get things like.. if you're indoor or outdoor.. if you're wearing a staff or a mace.. things like that.
wet pasture
And if something is on cooldown which can be useful for lazy people
But damn vanilla scripts seem very op
near mirage
when people talk about "play the class with just one button", we're not exagerating.. it was literally like that if you set it up properly. lol.
that's why they had to nerf it, there was the expectation that everyone must have used those addons or had those macro in, or they weren't taking you to raid.
that then most of those raids broke up because they had no clue how to heal without running out of mana anymore, that's another story =P
near mirage
no... you just used to queue multiple skills, and the first that was not on cooldown would fire. Before they blocked that too.
maybe you're thinking about being able to display the cooldown of a skill on the icon ;P
that's, yeah.. lol.
wet pasture
You can check if something is on CD you just can't make it do something like if CD is off do this
You can't make it do anything with abilities
But you can make it say that it's off CD or something like That
near mirage
you can display the cooldown. yes. you can. that's #showtooltip Skill Name.
wet pasture
You can also make it say X if CD is off and y if it's on
near mirage
ok, what's the conditional for that.
near mirage
I can't thing of any unprotected API calls that do that. but I might be wrong.
wet pasture
#showtooltip Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
/script local , duration, = GetSpellCooldown("Incarnation: Chosen of Elune"); if duration == 0 then SendChatMessage("incarnation UwU".."!","YELL") end
/cast Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
near mirage
is it out of combat stuff like just writing text?
wet pasture
(it won't work if you copy it from discord you have to type it in yourself)
Since discord is weird
near mirage
yeah, just writing text.
wet pasture
You can combine it with add-ons tho since add-ons can react to text
near mirage
but why tho.
they can check the same thing.
you still can't take a protected decision (casting anything) based on it.
that's how every buff / duration / aura addon ever works.
just displaying the counter for a cd.
wet pasture
With add-ons that run on your desktop you can
near mirage
and does nothing with protected abilities?
so it has nothing to do with your spells cooldowns.
wet pasture
No but how would Blizzard figure out if you're using a add-on to use spells ?
Or if you're using them yourself
near mirage
also TSM desktop app only supplies the database, does not make in game decisions.
just saying.
wet pasture
Yeah but blizzard can't check up on that
near mirage
Dude, I don't care if they "can't find out".. if you like cheating, have fun.
wet pasture
All I'm saying is that it is very much possible
That was my point from the beginning
near mirage
and.. it's not. because it requires something specifically negated by the ToS.. Otherwise I'm sure you could say that you can fly in vanilla.. Hackers did, and spelled gold selling websites in the air with corpses.
moving on.
wet pasture
No but the difference is that this can be done through "simple" stuff like add-ons & macros
Hope that answers your questions.
near mirage
You had already answered at the "cheating" bit. =P
Everyone has a different morality regarding breaking a ToS. You do you, it's alright. The game in itself does not support that mechanism. which is what was discussed.
you can't use cooldowns in game as meaningful conditionals for scripts or macroes, other than just returning info about the CD.
noble forge
@wet pasture thats like saying its possible to reach lvl 120 by not pressing anything
just boot up a bot
and it levels for you
and pretty sure you talked about a macro
which sint possible
wet pasture
Yeah but the first question was "is it possible to get a cooldown check"
wet pasture
And yes it is
Without cheating as well
We've already discussed thid
The only reason I went over to stuff running on your desktop is because I was asked "is it actually useful tho" and it is for cheaters
For others it's just a fun gimmick
But as I've stated many times @noble forge yes it's possible to make a checkcooldown script
Goodnight
chrome nova
I mean its definitely possible, just get an AI that can interpret WA colours on the screen that indicates an ability coming off cd
Otherwise its always possible to make a machine learning AI that can play the game better than you, the hard part doesnt lie in if its possible, but to actually do it
sweet tangle
quick questions;
- Attack speed on weapons matter at all for bear or cat?
- What stats on weapons do I want for bear or cat?
- Agility or Attack Power?
- What about strength?
sweet tangle
so im looking for pure stats?
noble forge
which stats im not 100% sure I think strength is quite good I believe 1 str 2 AP as feral and 1 agi 1 AP (both without kings)
sweet tangle
yeah double checked, seems like str is way to go, ty
odd question
if i say use a mace mainhand, what do i go with offhand?
just the standard "non-attack offhands" or do i learn dual wield
noble forge
anything with good stats
no
but you shouldnt really wear 1 handed maces
sure eearly on it may happen
but as feral even int isnt useless or spirit while leveling
sweet tangle
ty for help
levelling a druid on the side with my friend who just joined classic, my main is a rogue that i got to 21 with, and even with my old main on retail being a druid, the classic druid feels weird
lone vigil
Druids don't use a 1h mace until aq
fluid sigil
feels like a true hybrid tbh
lone vigil
Bears that are unlucky may use a rubidium hammer with the duskwood off hand
fluid sigil
decent at everything while leveling
sweet tangle
yeah just trained 2hand after the tip
lone vigil
What's the best place and level to grind thick leather and turtle scales. Tanaris?
heady sinew
is there any power leveling method for druids? :x
lavish wing
How big of an affect does the weapon skill have on damage? I have a stave equipped but I am using bear form. Do I still need to level my stave?
fluid sigil
I don't think weapon damage or skill has any effect it's just the stats @remote lance probably knows
lavish wing
Thanks
torpid inlet
Weapon skill definitely doesn’t, idk about damage
fluid sigil
yea after reading up it always counts as max weapon skill, just a stat stick it seems
remote lance
you're only using stats and on use (like pummeler)
procs won't work in forms either
rapid wind
i guess it might matter if you mess up end u oom and out of form and have to melee someone 🙂
Which spells are you guys only using rank 1 of ? entangling roots ? just curious i guess moonfire for the totems and stuff
lone vigil
Bah, tanaris turtles start around 42
Guess it'll be a while before I make my helm
But I'll have to get to 42 fast before the people catch up
But I plan on grinding like 2 levels
lone vigil
Oh well, looking forward to a turtle massacre
wild marlin
polar vine
is there an addon for health % in classuc
whole swan
Think you can do that without an addon in the options
royal fossil
this time the turtle is not gonna make it to the water 
lone vigil
Hell yeah. Blood sacrifice to the god of powershifting. Got to level 38. Still 4 levels away from that.
rapid wind
Do the ranks of regular faerie fire affect the feral version or it's completely independent ?
lone vigil
Two separate spells
rapid wind
Ok thanks
upbeat knot
Druids in classic are a pain in the as...
I was so hyped to get an interupt then i realized you have to be in bear form to use it
lone bear
We dont get skull bash until.. wrath was it? Or was it cata?
We dont get an aoe until legion i think
unless you wanna use hurricane
remote lance
Cata when all tanks get an interrupt
They really tried to make smaller raids work in cata but gave up
upbeat knot
I was saying for cat druid
I just unlocked the tier and i choose the crit talent instead
remote lance
Skull bash also came for cat in cata for the same reason
upbeat knot
So am i going to be expected to swap to bear to interupt then
upbeat knot
Ive only done deadmines so far and there was one thing to interupt
remote lance
yes, but it's not lethal stuff. Vanilla dungeon/raids are not about "if you don't kick this you will die"
in fact you're actually expecting spell damage to go through a lot
if you want to minimize damage to that extent, then yes, you need to go bear and feral charge
young latch
That again only happened with cata dungeons hence all the problems with cata dungeons when they were released
upbeat knot
Im legion baby so i dont know much
All i know is classic can be frustrating sometimes
Like really frustrating
upbeat knot
Ive been running deadmines
And people die sometimes
They have to run back and the trash respawns
remote lance
vanilla dungeons are a joke compared to cataclysm heroic dungeons.
that was when they listened to the people that "wrath dungeons were too easy no skill" and then changed it so cata 5mans are relevant
and the reaction to that was actually pretty funny
upbeat knot
Probably a dumb question but can horde do deadmines?
And can ally do ragefire chasm?
Since they are in the oppodite faction zone
scarlet glade
I think so
remote lance
yes, they can. you will just be corpse running a lot when people pvping you
especially with RFC being inside orgrimmar, but if you can get to the zone in you can do the dungeon
upbeat knot
So basically they didnt?
remote lance
people don't go out of their way to do them, no, but there's no hard barrier on doing them
remote lance
i didn't mind them nerfs or not, but i would have rather them buffing the reward than nerfing the instances
having challenging dungeon is cool, getting 345 gear out of them wasn't
hidden marlin
I played a bit of Classic last week, having played it when I was a wee lad, and yeah... Kinda ruined the rose tinted glasses for me. Just found it more frustrating than fun...
chrome nova
Lol
balmy spear
@hidden marlin someone had to kill 50 alpha wold to get 9 pawn uh?
hidden marlin
Nah, I commit genocide in Zhevra to get 4 hooves 😅
But in all seriousness... It just wasn't as fun, it felt clunky in a non-good way and yeah... Just a lot that wasn't how I remembered it 😅
remote lance
I think it was pretty decent given you're using relevant gear, and you're not bringing like 3 mages
but yeah, it was very idiot, i mean pug, unfriendly
dense bronze
Its not for everyone, no shame in that
Luckily you have retail as an alternative
covert rover
(or nature outside if that is more to your taste)
chrome nova
The gameplay is awful, the mechanics are somewhat interesting though, graphics are starting to be a bit outdated though
covert rover
talking about vanilla or nature now?
covert rover
XD'
chrome nova
I do like classic levelling a lot for its strategical aspects, kinda nice to handle levelling with what you got rather than just having everything
On live you have practically no threat against you, a group of 5 mobs? Just pop some cds and nuke them down. A mob 7 lvls above you? Nvm doesnt exist.
Slight danger? Just pop some defensive or escape ability np
covert rover
yeah.. people help each other for the same reason.. largely at least
fluid sigil
https://gyazo.com/d9696c05abad5c8a1421445a8005b9a3 I cant escape sabertooth in classic either 
covert rover
i've gotten heals thrown at me 50 times over
fluid sigil
guess i'm becoming a big bite boi
covert rover
most times i could deal with it without it. .but still nice
and doing it the other way round too.. on live it's not even a thing because nothing can kill you unless you go full monkey
chips - gotta make it feel like retail
upbeat knot
Could you imagine how long world quests would take if the open world was like classic
zinc shale
chrome nova
Esp if you got some pet to tank for you for shred
hardy siren
Can I get a macro wizard to help me with a lil' something something? Looking to make one for faerie fire that will use the appropriate spell whether in caster form or shapeshifted
same button
ivory forge
for feral on classic is leveling proficiancy with weapons necassary?
gilded anchor
I like the part where I spent 120 energy at 5 combo points because all 3 bites missed
Nah we don't use weapons. They're basically stat sticks for us
covert rover
yeah. .i'm only lvl 14 and it's pretty dull with caster->bear .. it's super nice going to cat form
went from slow and painful to super fun back then i remember
gilded anchor
Ravage crits on opener are nice when you get it
covert rover
rats - neh.. we don't care about weapon lvls
ruby swan
setting up my vuhdo for classic but i am new to the addon, can u change the hp background? i want hp color to be black and the backdropp to be white for the missing hp
can this be done?
royal fossil
get grid instead
royal fossil
technically grid should cause less lag
due to it taking less resources
but idk if that matters in classic
vague iris
Elvui?
ruby swan
can u only use grid2 as blocks or can u make bigger bars?
weak reef
Can you use mouseover macros in classic?
fiery aspen
Do i need to level staff and 2h maces to increase my feral dmg?
upbeat knot
You cant do that while shapeshifted
fleet timber
Does anyone have wa for energy tick and mana regen?
upbeat knot
I beleive the weapon is a stat stick for feral
fleet timber
Yea, I don't think weapon skill matters
fiery aspen
ok ty
gilded anchor
Yea it's elvui
fiery aspen
So how do i decide which weapon to wear? Just the one that gives me the highest attack power in cat form ?
gilded anchor
Alot of add-ons work. Elvui, dominos, prat, weakauras, quartz, shadowed unit frames, etc etc. Weakauras has a classic search feature now too. So you search something like...druid. then select classic in filter
Weapons for us as feral don't matter. They're stat sticks. Since our forms don't utilise weapon damage
But yea aim for agi, str, and attack power
I believe 1 str is 2 ap. 1 agi is 1 ap and some crit.
Spirit isn't half bad. But tbh int for the mana works out well
fiery aspen
ok ty for the insight
upbeat knot
Cant scroll down in shapeshift form
jaunty meadow
is there anything I can do to prevent taunts from being resisted as a tank druid in classic? or is it as it is.... take a few seconds then let dps to jump in?
lvl 19 druid tank
mental crystal
stack spell pen 
remote lance
"Growling at a critter sometimes causes the critter to run in fear instead of coming to you, though certain ones will attack you (such as frogs)."
now i want to resub just to spam growl on critters
low steeple
Why would that make frogs attack?
remote lance
also, Growl/taunt is a spell, so you can improve it with spell hit, but it's not worth it. I don't remember when they changed Growl from just giving you a lot of threat to a true taunt
I don't know, frogs are jerks
sand raven
only way to reduce chance of taunt missing is Spell Hit
either way you're a low level druid
unless you're playing with overleveled players you shouldn't need to taunt
indigo holly
Anyone want to give me feedback on this talent build? I'm looking for something that will allow me to tank OR heal dungeons at 60.
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/-505030130302215-05502300501
remote lance
looks like standard 0/30/21 to me, it's fine
rapid wind
i can't get quartz to show target bars for some reason...
near mirage
no target casting in classic. you can see it on nameplates tho.
rapid wind
Anyone share a working travel/ aquatic form macro ? mine doesn't seem to work lol
yeah i have it on luna
seems ok just kinda like to make it a bit more obvious
@sand raven Taunt is great to use against hunters so that if you get trapped the pet breaks you out 🙂
remote lance
until they scare beast you and you're just sad
rapid wind
haha yeah... the being cced is so weird compared to retail lol
rapid wind
how do alliance get to gnomereegen again
vague iris
if then walk?
willow escarp
@Midian what kind of macro do you have in mind?
next rock
fallow folio
Does front shredding work in Classic?
vague iris
Nope
fallow folio
Damn money back
remote lance
Toxic
silver kraken
maiden current
Some of the guides I've been reading says str=agi. Is this true / false ? I normally wear whatever has more of the one.
near leaf
While leveling it doesn’t matter. I prefer agi personally because crit. Lucky crits make leveling that much faster.
remote lance
that's another argument people like to make for agi
because while strength gives you more ap it won't help you kill faster unless you hit certain "breakpoint"
while if you crit you will hit that "breakpoint" some of the time
near leaf
My weapon stays full strength. Much as I can get. I feel like that’s a good trade off. Then go piss off the Rogues for their agi leather.
crude hawk
anyone know if Feral Faerie Fire has a threat modifier like it did in Wrath?
maiden current
Getting that fat crit feels so good. Maybe because combat is slower, mobs more difficult but I really feel it when I get a crit.
remote lance
no iirc
sweet tangle
do cats benefit from attack power?
as in the stat that happens to come on some gear
karmic juniper
yes
rapid wind
@willow escarp I got one that works ok now but for some reason if i try to add cat form to it if indoors or outdoors doesn't seem to work
atomic torrent
Is there a way to change the shapeshift bar? I want to edit bear form into a macro to cancel my other forms and then cast it but it wont let me drag it in
sweet tangle
./cast Bear Form
dont work?
atomic torrent
lame
maiden current
@sweet tangle Heres a list of macros that someone put together for classic. I've tested most of them and they seem to work. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/totally-pawesome-druid-macros-tested-in-beta-and-ready-for-classic/255251
maiden current
Ah lol sorry. I just glanced at discord and it seemed like you were asking a question.
sweet tangle
#ContextMatters xD
torpid musk
He wanted ro be helpful and. Get kudos lol I posted that a few days ago lol
I wish they would make it so that if you cast a spell it will auto cancel the forms. I cannot heal harm any feral stuff with non because of that.. Cry
sweet tangle
isnt macros a workaround of that?
torpid musk
I think a lot of them do it automatically I have Luna Luna and you have to activate and customize >t but it's greatt
Tried a few stomachs but none worked so far....I use voiceovers also
Check the near bottom of kyjins thread I'm asking about it there. Someone posted some stuff but won't activate...
noble forge
@sweet tangle he asked about hiding the macro in the regular bars
which you can hdie
torpid musk
Blizzard is protruding the form stuff so those auto stand up and whatever add-ons won't function for that... maybe they will change their mind
Was hopeful as there is an add-on called letmecast lol
sweet tangle
DragerToday at 12:32 AM
Is there a way to change the shapeshift bar? I want to edit bear form into a macro to cancel my other forms and then cast it but it wont let me drag it in
?
How is this related to hiding a macro in an actionbar?
noble forge
torpid musk
@sweet tangle you seem angry and ready to debate with everyone today haha :)
sweet tangle
Im not, Im on the spectrum so what I say might seem blunt or "direct"
knew it, the "a word" is banned here too even if im using it the correct way :/
(the word was banned/filtered on ravenholdt too, since from what I heard its just put in the filter since its used more as an insult than as a fact of people who have it)
anyways to the point i tried to make
from the context of the situation earlier, it was implied what Drager wanted to hide was the shapeshift bar, from his responses to us trying to help him
Logged off due to it being too late so editing in a response here, no its not "asshole" its the term used to describe someone on the spectrum, someone who is not neurotypical, starts with Au ends with M (or T)
sand raven
a word? Asshole?
sleek shale
rapid wind
Got the feral faerie fire... trying to decide if i want one point in NG or keep going in feral or start putting a few in resto lol
rapid wind
Currently using it when I am chasing something... energy a bit pooling
sand raven
remember, rake is a bleed so it hits thru armour
hitting high armour mobs / anything higher lvl than you its gonna be much better than claw
also TF doesn't generate combo points
sand raven
yeah
digital badge
and of course this will float around with numbers
as i go higher in levels
wheres my sims
rapid wind
i rip at low cp
digital badge
its actually not bad
its really energy efficient
but once again, napkin math and might not be true for higher levels
digital badge
but for some reason rip is doing more damage than tooltip says so not sure whats about that
just AP scaling?
i guess they just dont update like o nretail
zealous wraith
how do you do aoe as cat? multi dot?
rapid wind
no aoeing as cat and yes you can dot up a few not sure at this point how optimal it is
just make sure to get the points used becausethey go poof as soon as you swap targets
note that you can shift in out and the points stay
near mirage
I might be totally wrong, but.. if things die before you have a chance to rip, I'd say "it doesn't matter" >.>
ruby swan
is front shredding a thing in classic?
ruby swan
i know
but in vanilla and some private servers you can do a trick to be able to shred from the front, by standing on top of the mob and strafe back and forth
near mirage
vanilla never had it. it was a bug.
related to having really high latency, it would mess up the position with the server. Basically, something only private server players have made use of.
Basically: if you can do it, report it because it's an exploit of a bug.
rugged zenith
Combination of bad script, spell batching, server heart beat and bad latency (on both server and players) would allow you to Frontstab in Private Servers.
I am one of those guys that dig through Vanilla videos like mad man, i have never heard any mentions about Frontstabbing, Rogue PvP is pretty popular, so i think if there's a way to do Frontstabbing consistently exists, it'll be known back then.
But so far Frontstabbing only happened consistently in Private Servers and "sometimes" in actual Vanilla wow back then when it was >lagging<
near mirage
yeah.
rugged zenith
and even when frontsabbing happened back then, they'll alwasy pass it out as "lag"
near mirage
As said, if you manage to find out a consistent way to do it on Classic, report it right away. It's one of those things that Blizzard actually will punish players for if they abuse it.
rugged zenith
God i am 2lvl higher than this stupid ass Trolls in STV, but the shaman blasted 30% of my health with their stupid flame aoe
and the warrios enrage smashin' my teeth in
can dots crit in classic?
near mirage
I do not think so?
rugged zenith
shit, dots don't crit until Cata. And in wrath there's talent and glyph that let dots crit
cold moth
I was so happy that I almost kileld a levle 29 mob at 24
and then he healed to full >.<
covert rover
Gotta bash that green cast
pallid spindle
what should i look for in a weapon as cat form druid?
hard cairn
Any balance build to leveling
coarse mica
Go cat
balance is shit
@pallid spindle just stats. So anything with agi/str/att power. Damage/Speed on weapon doesn't impact cat form.
pallid spindle
ok thanks!
balmy spear
Is agility boost our dommage as cat too or only force?
balmy spear
Ah
whole swan
for levelling or what
molten wren
just in general
whole swan
Frost for levelling, Frost for starter raids and fire at endgame raids i think?
molten wren
oh okay thanks man what about pvp taking it frost
whole swan
or PoM pyro
you probably need a bit gear for that to 1 shot people tho
Never really play mage so i dont know that much about it
molten wren
yeah lol never played vanilla or mage before so i have been watching stuff and mage is menna be the best in the classic for i have seen anyways and yeah
mage and warlocks r menna be the best in wow classic dont know if its true but i know there annoying to pvp against
thanks anyways dude
whole swan
no worries, depends what you mean, 1v1 / bgs etc
molten wren
there menna be the best in all what ppl have been saying and what i been watching and reading
whole swan
If your in group pvp id rather be a geared wariror with a personal healer slave
You just shit on people
molten wren
yeah i guess but what u talking about here classic or retail warrior
whole swan
I assume u mean classic cause its classic channel
molten wren
yeah
mages r menna be better in classic than retail but there still so good in retail but better in classic
thanks anyways back to the grind
whole swan
np gl
coarse mica
Are you only going to do dungeons?
If you want to waste the gold on a respec right now
Then I wouldn't
cold moth
Anyone quite exp with druid classic here?
covert rover
Just ask the question and somebody that knows usually answer
cold moth
1: are rdruids suitable for dungeons at 60. Do ppl pick you over a priest for example.
2. Are druid cats quite good in dmg?
3. Are druids fun @ 60. 🙂 ;).
4. Are there viable builds to go with druid?
Me for example likes to heal. Been healing as a hpala from legion till bfa. But want to start another class @ classic for another exp
noble forge
- yes druids are totally fine for dungeons, no you wont be picked over a priest
- not really but content isnt hard so it doesnt matter too much
- fun is always up to you
- define viable you do need a druid in a raid
whole swan
for 1 its not like bfa "resto druid or nothing for keys", people will need to spam dungeons to get gear and healers will be in demand. You are a healer? Nice heres your invite its not really as much of a this class only not this class for dungeons
noble forge
there are big reasons not to take druids tho
whole swan
Not having a res sucks
covert rover
Pls
whole swan
But doesnt matter that much, done plenty without a real resser
covert rover
Just don’t die
noble forge
so having a druid and no priest/pala/shaman is an issue
whole swan
I mean if you die and have no resser its not the end of the world
You just run back
If you have a full wipe, your running back anyways
cold moth
True
covert rover
Yeah. Not like it’s timed like m+
cold moth
But druid heals are fine?
whole swan
ye
cold moth
U go for healing done incr?
whole swan
You can heal half the dungeons as wrong spec, its not gonna matter that much
Sure you will see ferals with int gear on or spriests healing, doesnt have to be full healer spec the content isnt exactly super challenging
cold moth
Ahh:)
whole swan
And viable? Sure. Optimal? No
cold moth
Aslong its fun and fast
whole swan
Can you clear MC with a really shit raid comp, yes, a guild just did it with 25 60s
covert rover
More about finding people you like to run with really. Those not grabbing all gear etc
whole swan
Having a weird spec isnt gonna make you fail
covert rover
Yeah. Just look at all of us going feral :)))
cold moth
Nice
whole swan
The fun thing is down to you as a player, i would say druid is more fun but thats my opinion
Pally auto attack to lvl 60, zzzz
whole swan
well its a long way to go, and stuff is different at higher lvl will change a bit
remote lance
lol you're comparing the worst leveling class to a druid of course druid will feel better
whole swan
Pally aint that bad, have plenty of time to watch netflix and shit while you auto attack your way through mobs
😄
cold moth
Well i wanted to choose between these 2 so:p
remote lance
paladin is better for healing while druid is mediocre in most roles
im just saying that paladin leveling is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz in classic
whole swan
100%
cold moth
Hehe
Thnx again ppl:)
Will hit the help button soon enough when i play again tomorrow
lone vigil
I just healed uldaman at level 40. That was stressful
Archaedas dropped an str/agi ring, I really wanted it, but the paladin tanking it deserved it.
coarse mica
Well if youre healing you shouldn't have prio on it anyway
surreal crest
Having to explain to warriors and palys that feral druids need strength has been...an experience
whole swan
Dont care about that, if its useful for you roll for it. You think any warrior that tanks isnt gonna roll on a good 2H if it drops
coarse mica
I got scolded really hard for rolling on a int/spirit staff when tanking so
whole swan
Wouldnt care about it, its useful for you so go for it
Hunters and shit will roll on everything
Gets even better at 60 when you tank cause people are desperate and you can reserve shit
lone vigil
Between 2 tanks, and he was able to equip it right away and I can't, I'll be patient. Now pre raid bis like naglering I'd have been all over
It's uldaman loot, not brd. Reminds me, I need to get that tanaris quest ring soon
noble forge
@surreal crest had a hunter roll on strength melee weapons on my warrior
that was a bit annoying
surreal crest
#hunterweapon
noble forge
had to talk to him so he didnt roll on corpsemaker he did roll away the dagger and axe in kraul tho
which was kinda annoying
remote lance
it's not authentic vanilla experience unless hunter rolls on every weapon
#hunterweapon
rapid wind
If you play your class well you can beat other classes 1v1 quite nicely 🙂
Best profs are subjective to the player and goals. For PVP I would say no better prof than engineering with the trinkets and stun bombs...
I am alch herb though..
ALso you can be blacksmithing unti l make that one trinket then dump it
I haven't planned to do that yet though 🙂
cold moth
Hmm
whole swan
I wouldnt level as healer but if i did i would take it for extra damage
Level as feral and save yourself the hassle, you can heal every dungeon when levelling as full feral spec
royal fossil
resto tree is really shit so you dont get a lot from leveling with it
torpid musk
It has s^me great PvP synergy but you need most of your talent points for it to be fruitful
midnight scroll
edited for clarity*
is there snapshotting in classic?
coarse mica
You mean if there's snapshotting?
midnight scroll
yep
coarse mica
I wonder the same thing
whole swan
Rake doesnt scale at all does it? So wouldnt worry about that one at least*
upbeat knot
Are druids able to learn polearms?
whole swan
Dont think so
rapid wind
There's a lot of bad information available about classic these days 🙂
There are so many so it's hard to just talk about one. What exactly do you want to do
well i use separate for power shit then regular (binds) but you could do the power shift one in one
Basic powershift macro can be
#showtooltip
/cancelform
/cast Cat Form
it does but you could separate the macros or use the [noform:5} or whatever you want....
This is my regular cat form macro
#showtooltip Cat Form
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:3]
/cast [noform:3] Cat Form
Some abilities I bind to make sure that if they are pressed it will switch me to the appropriate form
like feral charge / bash
#showtooltip Feral Charge
/stand
/dismount
/stopcasting
/cancelform [noform:1]
/cast [noform:1] Dire Bear Form
/cast [noform:1] Bear Form
/cast Feral Charge
I actually put /Bash in that macro too you can put feral charge in all of your bear form macros since you would only cast it if iyou are far away
Youcan put /bash after feral charge and it will bas if you are in melee if you are not, feral charge, handy to save some binds
You have to decide in some cases if you want the convenience of "sharing" a form macro with an ability from cat, bear, etc... or having it go to that form instantly... since I have actual form macros on top of that I have a few shared abilities... like my tiger's fury activation in cat is my debuff roar in bear
You will 🙂 Most people don't like to have the same hot key for cat / bear abilities.. I do in some cases 🙂
But that would be impossible to do it on one key if you also had it shift to a specific form before doing an ability 🙂
Put this in front of your casted abilities or you will be told you can't do it if you are shapeshifted
/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:5]
coarse mica
Idk why it has to be that hard
Mine is only this and it works perfectly
#showtooltip Prowl
/cancelform
/cast Cat Form
/cast Prowl
coarse mica
It can
coarse mica
Nope
noble forge
but you use cat form mana
coarse mica
it doesn't shift out
noble forge
that doesnt make sense
coarse mica
Yeah it's weird
noble forge
cant check it cause I dont have a druid but that seems quite impossible
coarse mica
but it works
coarse mica
yes
karmic lark
Is the BIS weapon for feral druids actually Manual Crowd Pummeler at all stages/phases or is the wiki not fully updated?
karmic lark
Oh because they only have 3 charges or something right?
rapid wind
you need the charges from it to make it bis and well not everyone is going to want to do that
noble forge
yes
karmic juniper
i think atiesh might be better
karmic lark
MH/OH with a shield would be better for pvp anyways right?
karmic juniper
but good luck getting atiesh
steel arch
Atiesh isn't better than pummeler
You want to use the best stat stick you can get, and then swap to a fresh pummeler for the boss
whole swan
Wont be suprised to see druids get it, By the time anyone actually manages to get it wont really matter probably just end up getting given to loyal players that have stuck around forever
coarse mica
As I said
it doesn't
I don't know why
but it doesn't
It really doens't
I'll capture a GIF tonight
or try it yourself idk
hasty dune
Feral: do i shred from behind og claw from wherever?
upbeat knot
So you just stop using claw once you get shred?
steel arch
@Dree#0799 no you use it if you miss a a powershift/energy tick
Situational
Our to avoid over ticking energy
upbeat knot
But your combo points dont build between targets
hasty dune
I don’t have bite yet. Just rip and most mobs in dungeons die to fast for it
coarse mica
I feel like I'm doing a lot of damage in dungeons but no AOE is so scuffed
steel arch
Yeah, use rip on bosses and ignore it for trash during leveling
fluid sigil
I dont think resto is that amazing outside of furor but idk
probably go down balance for moc + natural shapeshifter
coarse mica
oh no 
you fucked your tree
Unless you keep healing dungeons till 60 you wanna go feral
fluid sigil
probably just would go for double combo point crits and crit chance in feral first
oh idk then
i'm not healing at all i'm tanking most of the time
coarse mica
I feel very squishy as tank early
I haven't really tried since but I just got frenzied regen
so I could try again
fluid sigil
I feel really solid tbh
fluid sigil
tanking in classic is a subjective experience because you can go into dungeons severely underleveled
remote lance
You dont need any points in resto to heal 5 mans
coarse mica
True lol
remote lance
It's not even a big improvement
fluid sigil
I've been doin massive pulls in the dungeons I ran for quests
using target dummies and 3 second stun grenades
but i'm goin into them at like +2 levels over it
so my spells actually hit
steel arch
I tanked cathedral at 38, only slight hit issues at the end for aggro
coarse mica
what level is cathedral mobs at
I never know when to go to dungeons
especially with monastery
cuz there's like 4 instances
remote lance
38-41?
steel arch
Last boss is 42
steel arch
Lies, I hear the next expansion is all about demons and illidan
coarse mica
I wanted to warn everyone about what's gonna happen in like 5 years
remote lance
Before jaina put on 100 pounds
coarse mica
she's thicc now
upbeat knot
Jaina is fat in classic?
remote lance
Lies
gilded anchor
How are you guys dealing with tanking? Are you holding rage for next pull or is it painful ?
I've been healing
gilded anchor
40 or bust 
remote lance
Thanks for sharing your taste
gilded anchor
I like vanilla
coarse mica
She's 40+ in BFA
gilded anchor
remote lance
Are we assuming anduin is the only one to age properly
coarse mica
No anduin is the weird one
gilded anchor
Thrall lost 10 years
coarse mica
he looks like 5 in Vanilla
remote lance
Anduin is also a dargon confirmed
coarse mica
and he's 18 in BFA
royal fossil
she has white hair in bfa tho
remote lance
It's the only explanation
gilded anchor
But Jaina is a dreadlord
royal fossil
that has to be an indication
coarse mica
She's had white hair since the theramore bombing
it's not natural
the mana bomb discolored her hair
remote lance
When did frozen come out
coarse mica
2011
remote lance
Cata?
coarse mica
theramore bombing was in MoP
upbeat knot
That was a very quick response vro....
coarse mica
wait I might be wrong about frozen lol
remote lance
Pretty sure theramore was cata
coarse mica
Between cata and MoP
was a pre-expansion event
for MoP
The book is definitely after deathwing died
coarse mica
yes
remote lance
Wonder how that went
gilded anchor
Ask Varian
coarse mica
They're still together
remote lance
Hurry up and throw thrall in there
Good wow soap opera
Everyone forgot aggra anyway
gilded anchor
Who?
remote lance
Right
gilded anchor
*nods
remote lance
Orc dargon human love triangle nice
coarse mica
Or did she appear in Legion
coarse mica
Was she pregnant already then or did she already have them
gilded anchor
Saurfang is Anduins love rival
remote lance
You mean for wrathion
remote lance
He went into hiding because of all the publicity
gilded anchor
Wrathion doesn't hide
gilded anchor
He just does things
gilded anchor
Plot twist
remote lance
Rofl they made a new server name deviate delight
remote lance
Good choice
upbeat knot
How do you not pick the rppvp server
remote lance
If all server names are lame go after the funniest one
You pick regular rp so you can erp without being ganked
upbeat knot
The rp people in classic are hillarious
rapid wind
hmm bf or pf for my next point hrm... 🙂
shell scroll
What would be the most recommended professions for druids?
vague iris
leatherworking probs
frigid carbon
You can make a bunch of BIS pieces from tribal leatherworking but they're all BoE so if your guild already has LWs you can do whatever you want really
gilded anchor
Engineering if you can afford it too
shell scroll
okay ty
raven stone
can someone confirm that front shredding is/not in classic?
It looks like it was only a thing on pservers, just confirming
vague iris
never got it to work, both front shred/front stab
timid skiff
it was a Pserver lag thing that made it possible there. Wasn't something we could do in Vanilla (that I recall, anyways).
raven stone
thats what I'm seeing, thanks all =]
won't waste points in shred talent and have to respec l
vague iris
if you are going in a group its good dmg since you can attack from the back
raven stone
true, which I might be
ill have to consider it
theyre goign to be doing a fre server transfer soonish, right?
or am i making that up
timid skiff
How are the Feral Tanks doing? Seeing a good amount of them lately, and it's making me happy 🙂
vague iris
only from certain server to certain server
raven stone
awesome thank you 🙂
raven stone
dang so it looks like I wont be able to get on the same server as some friends that way
rip
vague iris
yop
digital badge
wrong chat LOl.
timid skiff
Was wondering, lol
little wigeon
hello fellow druids
i'm working on a more aggresive pvp spec than the usual resto build
questions to answer:
- Improved Rejuv vs Reflection
- Where to put the last 2 points?
- How great is swiftmend really?
main marsh
f33d spec
low steeple
KInd of looks like an attempt to make a classic version of resto catweaving
noble forge
kinda debating if I wanna start leveling a druid for FCing
but
already leveling 2 chars 
main marsh
what u lvling