classic

[dense bronze]

@sick merlin @rugged zenith No, feline swiftness is 1 prio
And there is no good reason to pick thick hide while leveling unless you are planning on being dedicated tank in dungeons runs all the way to 60, always pick FA instead

Do not underestimate movement speed

Swapping to travel form between pulls is not efficient, it wastes mana and time and even more time before you get furor (which you won't pick until around 52+ ish)

If you are willing to respec (and waste all that money) then rushing down the balance tree until you get cat form will be a good choice
that scenario will also make think hide a option, but this again means 2 respecs and that is a lot of money you probably shouldn't spend

[royal swallow]

what are some good addons for classic? & for feral tank/dps

[rugged zenith]

something for threat and something to track dots

[sick merlin]

Yeah I didn't go balance like the guide said cuz fuck spending 1 gold on respecs

[zinc shale]

Feral tank in classic 🤔

I remember one time a guy tried to do that with ragnaros back in 2005

He got one shot so hard

[polar vine]

I got free 6 slot bags @dense bronze

Basically a millionaire

[dense bronze]

I don't care

[remote lance]

wow

[polar vine]

Toxic mods

Toxicer admin

[honest laurel]

any good prowl macros for not in cat from?

[rapid wind]

my biggest issue atm is that I want to do a harm / help macro with rejuv and say rake, but since you have to mess with stances not sure how to do that lol or if its possible

[lone bear]

does weapon skill affect in form attacks?

[shell notch]

Do bears/cats have to go humanoid form to white attack to level up weapon skills? Does it still affect hit rating when I'm in an animal form.

[royal swallow]

i just plan on offtanking and maining dps as feral

[rugged zenith]

@lone bear @shell notch nope. Cat/Bear form use Feral Combat class skills to calculate their hit chance (which is maxed out)

[lone bear]

ahh

[rugged zenith]

On the otherside of the coin, we don't get bonus from +Weapon skill gear. And weapons "chance on hit" won't proc. The on-use work, though you have to be in human form.

non-weapon "chance on hit" proc normally from cat/bear attacks.

[shell notch]

dang okay xD noted! thank you

[shell notch]

I figured but some dude was super loud sayin bears need to level up their weapon skills to have better hit rating...

I get my info from more reliable sources apparently lol

[remote lance]

he's wrong

easily testable by just changing weapons

[shell notch]

I've been loving bear tanking in classic! I've always been a diehard bearcat player and oi as soon as I heard they were going to rerelease classic I was like.....uhhhh BEAR TIME! xD

what class do you guys think is the best healer in mid level ranges? or theyre all pretty close?

[rapid wind]

trying out stop macro but not going so well lol. Not sure if I can have form attacks and non form heal or friendly utility spells on the same bind.. 😦

[gilded anchor]

/cancelaura Bear Form
/cancelaura Cat Form
/cast Healing Touch(Rank 4)

I use that on everything

Saves going out of form etc

[fresh jay]

Its actually /cancelform

Will cancel any form

[rapid wind]

I have really good macros actually but as Mattiu mentioned the issue is if you want mouseover rejuv AND being able to hit something with say rake... it's not gonna fly well in a macro since the forms are involved

Here's an improved version of that macro shift08

/stand
/dismount
/cancelform [noform:5]
/cast [@mouseover,help]Regrowth;[@mouseover,harm]Wrath;[help]Regrowth;Wrath

[fresh jay]

I dont like harm help macros

[rapid wind]

just need to swap out whaever spell for whatever spell and adjust per desirability

[fresh jay]

Just bind them to another keybind

[rapid wind]

Well so many binds with druids I kinda like to use my cozy keys a lot....

Just curious. how come you don't like em ?

[fresh jay]

I guess i never used them and ive been playing for 10 years

And as a druid

So if i start using them now it will fuck my brain up

Guess just personal pref

[rapid wind]

of course no worries

i just hate not being able to use abilities right out of form... so i can't like rejuv and a feral abiliti without the macro going crazy

[lone vigil]

travel form, time to get some flight paths

[tepid heron]

CAn you do quests in a raid in classic?

[tidal pond]

hey Guys druid cat or balance is somewhat competitivie in raids?

[midnight fox]

feral maybe
if you get Wolfshead helm

[lone bear]

cant use rip or rake in raid

[verbal cobalt]

So0o i didnt play druid in classic but i'm confused on how tranquility works. tooltip says party but i've only ever seen the buff hit 1-2 other people other than myself.

is it broken or am i doing it wrong

[distant vault]

they have to be nearby

[near mirage]

~30 yards? iirc.

[fierce herald]

not to be massively outdated with my conversation choice, but im pretty sure TF is not worth

maybe on harder bosses where you can snapshot rip, if it even shapshots

[verbal cobalt]

so i just cast trainq in melee range of the whole party out of combat

3 targets

2 no benefit

i'm broken

[fresh jay]

Maybe its targetting pets?

[rapid wind]

I guess we have to do the full aquatic form series huh

[fresh jay]

Did it at 18

[tidal pond]

@lone bear why can't use rip or rake in raid?

[polar vine]

Debuff limit

Ur dots suck they dont want them to take up debuff slots

[lone bear]

@tidal pond theres a max amount of debuffs, everyone else has priority over your lackluster dots

[near mirage]

more important things to keep up

[polar vine]

Big math shit

[tidal pond]

:V

[wary quest]

anyone know how to hide the buffs in the upper right its covering my mini map and cant see questie icons

[near mirage]

any of your addons might have a blizzard frame hiding option. like your unitframes in example.

pitbull has it.

[wary quest]

i have x-pearl and bartender

[rapid wind]

i dunno why i installed luna and it's great so far

[remote jetty]

For classic druids, is bear/cat melee tied to a weapon/unarmed skill? I can't remember

[near mirage]

feral combat.

[remote lance]

no

[near mirage]

always max, weapon skill doesn't matter, it's just a stat stick.

[remote lance]

you're always at "max level"

[remote jetty]

Okay cool.

I knew we didn't get weapon procs or anything.

[lone vigil]

omg

32 is such a big power spike

[hearty ermine]

i went to goldshire on the rp server

i can confirm...its just like live

[velvet relic]

No weapon proc but the crowd pummelers arm in gnomer has an on use that works for feral I believe. It's 50% increased attack speed and I think it works for you in cat

[hearty ermine]

disturbing as fuck

[lone vigil]

BSB?

I'll admit, I haven't checke goldshire yet

You have to use it in caster form then shift into feral

[rapid wind]

They shoulda fixed some quality of life things.... but ohwell

[drifting spade]

is there an addon like ezdismount updated for classic yet

it used to demount you / take you out of forms if you tried to use something that wasn't allowed in that form

because every ezdismount i install it never works

[low steeple]

I saw a weak aura thatsaid it does it

https://wago.io/c6awkXjeW @drifting spade

I haven't tried it though

[drifting spade]

i'll test it now

@low steeple doesnt work

I've installed every ezdismount I've found and restarted my game every time

none seem tow ork

[low steeple]

=/

[drifting spade]

Installed all 3 of these + a weak aura and nothing works

[rapid wind]

can justmake macros

for world pvp while leveling which build are you guys taking get to the feline swiftness asap ?

[winged sinew]

@rapid wind ferocity thick hide

[rapid wind]

thick hide helps that much?

[winged sinew]

i dont like the other options so yeah

[drifting spade]

@rapid wind and yes

feline swiftness increases ur movespeed so you're inherently leveling quicker bc of it

• u can run players down

[rapid wind]

alright thanks willhave to respec at 20 lol

[drifting spade]

what have you taken now

avoid respecing man, that's a lot of gold

like a lot

mate

[royal fossil]

m8

[drifting spade]

m8

lad

[royal fossil]

lad

[drifting spade]

i've had to make macros for every single ability

so I can get the effect of retail druid

so I can cast stuff n it takes my out of forms

[royal fossil]

thats pretty nice to have tho

[drifting spade]

now i just need to work out how to make a good cancel form cast bear form cast bash macro

that doesn't take me in and out of bearform when I spam it

[near mirage]

[noform:1]

[drifting spade]

How would that look?

I p much want to make it so

[near mirage]

I don't have bash so can't test the whole macro, but.. /use [noform:1]Bear Form

[drifting spade]

if I'm in cat form I press my 'bash' macro and it
#showtooltip
/cancelaura cat form
/cast Bear Form
/cast Bash(Rank 1)

so would I just replace /cast bear form with the /use

[near mirage]

ok lemme rewrite that for you =P

[drifting spade]

lool

i'm macro plebo

bc with the one I have

#showtooltip
/cancelform
/use [noform:1]Bear Form
/cast Bash(Rank 1)

now

if I spam that to get the bash off it just spams me in and out of bear form too which obvs drains my mana in half a second

[near mirage]

#showtooltip /cancelform [form:3] /use [noform:1]Bear Form /use Bash

not sure if you need the rank on bash

[drifting spade]

maybe

[near mirage]

in case add it if it doesn't work.

[drifting spade]

works perfeeeeeeect

thanks so much

[near mirage]

no worries. =)

[drifting spade]

and I can use this as my normal bash bind in bear form

[rapid wind]

WOn't that one not function if you are out of form until you get the appropriate talents due to rage ?

[near mirage]

yeah it's assumed if you want an instant bear->bash you have furor, otherwise it's kind of pointless

there's no way in 1.12 to use variables in casting, smart macro was before that. =P

[formal wyvern]

Any good speccs while levling? 🙂

[rapid wind]

@wotlf doyou take nature's grasp

@near mirage

[noble forge]

have to say I do enjoy classic

a lot more than I expected

cant even explain why

[mental crystal]

just comfy innit

[tight laurel]

I'm too ADHD to do these barrens quests but I'm getting them done lmao

[rapid wind]

When I look at my target's unit frame it seems to use percentage, anyway to get it to show how much health it is to determine gear, etc ?

[gilded anchor]

The travel time is nice. I've finally caught up on all my tv shows

Can we petition to fire whoever made the moonglade to thunderbluff flight path?

[rapid wind]

I think I have to decide if i want all my feral abilities to activate the appropriate forms, or if i want to be able to share the keybinds. Like say sharing claw and maul, or having separate ones and having it put youinto the appropriate form.. so many keybinds lol

i guess if i had a form macro for EVERY ability i wouldn't need to have an independent bear form ability so it might free up a keybind but that seems wrong

[gilded anchor]

100% have a bar for each form. And bind your forms to something

I use f1 for bear, f2 cat, etc

[summer fossil]

anyone doing quests hmu

[mental crystal]

hey im doing quests

[rapid wind]

@gilded anchor Yep for sure, just have to figure out the bar strategy for non for m heals that i usually like to have on my bar 🙂

They really should just change a few quality of life things..notably not being able to turn quests and stuff in while in forms lol

or quest items 🙂

[royal fossil]

but cats dont talk man

[rugged zenith]

10g seems to be really low dont you think?

[rapid wind]

should i get furor or feline swift first

[whole swan]

feline swiftness, dont take furor for levelling at start

[rapid wind]

okies th

[noble forge]

feline swiftness is prolly the biggest speadincrease talent

[rapid wind]

its just weird i can loot herbs but can't pick up quest items in form lol

[royal fossil]

do these kinda on hit effects proc at all?

[vague iris]

only out of forms

[royal fossil]

rip

[rugged zenith]

correct me if i am wrong here about mp5.
The 5second rule happened after casting a spell. The game consider you\re "casting" something while in that 5second, so your mana regen is stopped.
But, when you're out of that 5 second rule, and you cast ability that have cast time (let's say starfire), during that cast time, mana regen normally right?

The talent Reflection in resto tree, which allow % of mana regen to continue while "casting" mean it let us regen some of our mana during the 5 second after casting an ability?

[whole swan]

Think its just when you finish casting a spell the 5 sec timer begins, So you can keep casting and as long as you cancel the cast before it finishes your mana will keep coming back, not sure how the talents work though

[rugged zenith]

i like it when i change a bit of wording on my google search, i found what i need

So yeah basically that talent let you regen mana inside that five second rule. And "while casting" mean is the 5second rule, and not you actually casting something that have cast timer.

[cold moth]

I keep forgetting combo points reset

[rapid wind]

i want to attack someone but at 21 i have no opener lol

[cold moth]

When leveling as cat should I rip at 3 combos or just claw eternally

it's dead before 5

[misty veldt]

As feral what kind of stats should i be focusing on, just all agil or str?

Also is boomkin viable,

[rugged zenith]

yo wowhead dead for you guys?

[rapid wind]

I would probably not even do 2, i mean it depends on how fast the stuff dies..

[rugged zenith]

even 1cb rip already doing more damage than claw. I would go rake -> rip -> Claw until dead

hmm wait a minute

[remote lance]

Does take even do more dpe than claw? I dont remember except for the fact that it was so bad until like wrath

[rugged zenith]

i forgot claw is Melee attack + x damage

For me right now, at minimum claw do 32 + 27 = 59
rake do 19+36 = 55
Question is, enemy armor.

[rapid wind]

well lemme know cuz if not i wont even keybind it 🙂

[rugged zenith]

bleed ignore enemy armor

[rapid wind]

ah yeah true

plus it's damage that you can be losing or kiting whiel its happening

[rugged zenith]

Yeah if you're going to kite obviously bleeds + Moonfire and start kiting. With 30% extra movement speed, you should outrun most mob

[rapid wind]

the dumb 15 minute diseases shoulda been nuked lol

[rugged zenith]

get a priest to dispell you

[rapid wind]

im a loner 🙂

[rugged zenith]

pug life, even on classic.

[rapid wind]

but some of these disease are like 50% regen 50 % attack speed

[rugged zenith]

elemental immuen to bleeds. Damn you RPG games!

[coarse mica]

When does cat get swipe?

[rapid wind]

I don't think they do

[coarse mica]

wtf how do they do aoe then

[rapid wind]

bear form lol

[coarse mica]

[rapid wind]

I know it's a bit tedious and not optimal and there are a variety of silly quality of life things they should have "fixed" but I am still enjoying it for some reason

[rugged zenith]

The "lack" of something require you to do something to compensate. Which in classic, often lead to something more positive.

[rapid wind]

Like why can't I do stuff in forms, the terrible drop rates, can't cancel flight masters, potions only stacking at like 5.....

[rugged zenith]

You can cancel flight masters though

[rapid wind]

how... i was on one and no option to get off at next stop

[shrewd bobcat]

There is an exit vehicle button while you're on it

[rugged zenith]

Or alt f4

or rather, exit game i think

idk if alt f4 work

[remote lance]

Lol cat aoe

[rugged zenith]

Blizzard left the exit vehicle button for classic, so you can use that too

[remote lance]

Doesnt exist until wrath

[rapid wind]

you really think people gonna fall for the alt f4 thing, lol.

I was o n one earlier didnt see it hmm.. maybe it's my UI

[rugged zenith]

i mean you have to exit the game, so alt f4 seems to be fastest way

or just log out, i am not quite sure lol

[rapid wind]

Anyone know how long the downtime will be

[rugged zenith]

15min max probably, just a server restart

oh heck, i forgot int only increases my crit chance and mana pool. Not actual spell damages.

It might actually be useless for leveling

[rapid wind]

I guess classic wow can't use real health for players, I got some addon to do it for mobs but when i target someone it's hard to tell how geared they are

since it's only % based

[rugged zenith]

look at their gear

[rapid wind]

wowhead seems broken

[remote lance]

Thottbot plz

[polar vine]

@coarse mica

Had a good laugh ty

[rugged zenith]

+spell damage done items mean that my spell do that extra damage rgith? example wrath do 70 damage + 8 from the gear
And for dots over the duration it do 8 extra damage
But how about moonfire or similar abiltiy, where there's 2 damage component?

[royal swallow]

can anyone help me with an addons issue?

currently i have ACP, Details, OmniCC, and Quartz installed and in the AddOns folder for classic, but none of them are popping up in game, nor the AddOns menu

nvm fixed, folders within folders

[noble forge]

@rugged zenith every spell ahs damage scaling based on the cast time

so no wrath wont do 8 extra dmg

with 8 spellpower

[fierce herald]

Anyone got good recommendations for an energy tick timer

[rugged zenith]

How about +Arcane spell damage?

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/95abc8/list_of_spellcoefficients_1121/

Because there's no sim in classic, i had to do math by myself

@noble forge thanks btw. i don't know spell coeff exist

[worn plover]

cant remember from vanilla... but is there a way to make casting a mandatory caster form spell out of animal form and have it auto shift and cast other tahn macros?

like click roots while in bear, and have it shift and cast

[near mirage]

nope until BC

[worn plover]

ok

thanks

couldnt remember for the life of me

[rugged zenith]

Wowhead still down 😠

i got 3 boe before i got the stupid quest item, god i love this game

[polar vine]

Wowhead

Thottbot?

Whats the oyher one?

Elitist jerks?

Didnt wow . Com get integrated into wowhead also during wrath?

[quaint condor]

I recommend hefty battle hammer of the tiger amazing weapon, compared to other stuff, levels 15-25

got it from auction house for 50silver super worth

[covert rover]

thottbot was the one most used back then

fiiiiifty silver?

do i look like i'm made of fucking half a gold!?

[near mirage]

in the meanwhile, been slapping things in the face with no skills trying to save coppers until 20 and cat form .-.

and the long, slow road to 100g for a mount -.-

[rapid wind]

so when to shred vs claw... lol

[lone bear]

when you can get behind, use shred

[remote lance]

you use claw when you can't shred

[vague iris]

anyone got a wa like guiltyas for bfa just for classic?

[near mirage]

I'd like to ask.. for what reason.. but hell with that, it just looks cool I guess.

[vague iris]

^this

[near mirage]

until you get kicked from your raid because rake. =P

lol.

Jokes aside.. I haven't seen an updated one for classic, aside from non-compatible actually old ones.

man.. now I don't remember the name anymore.. we used to have a prediction addon..

https://i.imgur.com/ZvASmvU.png

that was from later on in Wrath.

but what addon was it anymore. >.<

I remember suggesting it as training wheels to new ferals.

[low steeple]

Ovale Spell Priority?

[sterile eagle]

Is it me or dont you see your CP on Feral

I mean on the target

[near mirage]

hmm. no it was not Ovale. Close tho, I remember they were similar in how they worked.

I'm looking up in old posts =P lol.

FeralByNight!

oh god. that was so long ago. that's the one tho. lol.

[gray ferry]

how is feral druid?

[misty veldt]

So far as i can tell, not that great 👍🏻

[remote lance]

you do if it's default. If you're using custom uI you might need to enable it

[faint frigate]

whats the best druid to play? moonglow spec?

theres no boomy right cause mana...

[gray ferry]

@misty veldt whats your lvl?
btw thanks for honest answer

[shy pond]

@faint frigate pretty sure for leveling, ppl recommend leveling in feral combat

[near mirage]

no downtime, faster running.

[faint frigate]

@shy pond shit u still in this dcord man how u been? and im leveling in feral but for max level. i wanna play boomy or resto but idk wats best

[shy pond]

pretty good thanks! ik feral/resto are viable for endgame content, not sure about boomie though tbh

[fallen yarrow]

is my weapon skill not going up while I'm fighting in bearform? or am I losing my mind

[faint frigate]

@shy pond is moonglow the best resto spec?

[crimson linden]

@fallen yarrow Cat and bear form attacks don't use weapons, so no weapon skill gains.

[fallen yarrow]

my attack rating in bearform scales with my staves skill though

and this affects hit % right?

[shy pond]

@faint frigate https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/b8oclk/hotw_or_moonglow_resto_druid/

sums it up in the first comment pretty much

[crimson linden]

that might be a tooltip error?

[fallen yarrow]

ah

ty

[remote lance]

best resto spec is with swiftmend

as far as hybrid build goes, it depends on what other roles you want to fill more, and how gimped you want to be in each role

[faint frigate]

@shy pond this spec. how does it have the most mana?

[remote lance]

hotw gives you 20% intellect

so that's an increased mana pool

[faint frigate]

oh yeah 4 head

[remote lance]

moonglow is better healing though since you can put more points into resto

so it really depends on what roles you want to fill

[faint frigate]

i just wanna heal and be able to cast a starfire without being oom XD

[remote lance]

i mean that indicates you want to offspec caster more than tank/melee

as it's your gear that limits your mana pool more than your spec

good feral gear lack intellcet which is what boosts your mana pool

[faint frigate]

just get intellect and spirit gear?

[misty veldt]

@gray ferry almost 20 but im told it gets better beyond 40. I reckon i will main it heal tbh

[faint frigate]

or that not enough

[remote lance]

if you have intellect and spirit gear that will give you a big enough mana pool to cast with or without hotw

[faint frigate]

yeah so u go moonglow right?

[remote lance]

for you, yes

[faint frigate]

im not trying to prove u wrong btw i never played clasic XD

[remote lance]

i personally went hotw since i tanked a lot and liked tanking

[faint frigate]

im just trynna learn

why im asking questions

so thank u for help

[remote lance]

yeah, if you want to be a spellcaster when you're not healing you go moonglow

[faint frigate]

yeah i dont wanna tank. im leveling as feral atm though and i like it

[remote lance]

i would only change that at max level though

[faint frigate]

but we are spamming dungeons so if i could heal and cause spells as well then thats wat i wanna do

[remote lance]

no reason to waste gold when feral spec is best for solo and as long as you have an int/spi offset you can heal fine

[faint frigate]

my gears all over the place i got 4 set from WC then some agility strength gear like its all over the place

so u recoomend only switching to moon glow/ HOTW at max level or 40?

im 25 atm

[remote lance]

unless you plan on never break grouping, i would keep feral spec while work on caster gear

[cold moth]

Hey guys, I’m running heart of the wild build currently - I’ve hit 30 and got NS and I’m starting to make my way down the feral tree. Is it more effective at this stage when levelling to deck out in full feral gear while levelling and keep my intellect based gear for when I heal dungeons?

Or should I go full spirit int for moonfire/swarm damage

[remote lance]

is NS nature's swiftness?

[faint frigate]

yeah

[remote lance]

so you went full resto first

[faint frigate]

sounds like it

wait wat gear do u want for the HOTW build?

straight int and spirit gear or agility as well?

[remote lance]

you want 2 sets of gear, one spellcasting and one feral

moonglow build's benefit is that caster gear and healer gear "can" share

or rather have more synergy than feral vs caster or healing

[faint frigate]

2 sets?

for 1 talent spec or the 2 talent specs?

[remote lance]

ok, lets clear up a little bit of confusion

[faint frigate]

if u go moonglow u only need 1 set?

yes plz

[remote lance]

1. "need" is a strong word, it's more about "optimization", where possible

2. spellcasting, feral dps, feral tanking, and resto all have different stat preference. There's less parity between them while leveling, and spellcasting and resto have more synergy while feral tanking and feral dps have more synergy

so it really isn't about your spec, more than the fact that if you are a damage caster, you want more int/spi (spellpower, but those are very scarce while leveling), if you're a tank, you want higher armor/agi/stam, str/agi/ap as cat, int/spi/(healing power, also scarce while leveling) as healer

[faint frigate]

makes sense

so for moonglow build

u only really need 1 set of gear at max level?

cause u dont need agil/strenth for feral

[remote lance]

definitely not if you plan on optimizing both damage and healing when you change roles

optimized feral tanking and feral dps gear are very different

optimized spell damage gear and optimized healing gear are also very different

[faint frigate]

OHH

[remote lance]

but since there's fewer useless stat on spell damage gear for healing (vice versa), and fewer useless stat on feral tanking gear for feral dps (vice versa), if you don't/can't optimize and can only sustain 1 set, moonglow spec is the more logical way to go, with healing

but that's more about what you want to play, and what your group/raid needs/have too many of

[faint frigate]

that sounds good

thanks

moonglow FTW

[royal fossil]

ive been running dungeons exactly like in retail and its been working out pretty well

apply hots and then go into cat form to regen some mana

[fresh jay]

Im running with friends and pulling 3-5 mobs each pull

That wouldnt work for me

[surreal yarrow]

do you guys think I can ditch Rip after I get Ferocious Bite?

[vague iris]

for raids yeah

[rapid wind]

Would there be a way to create a travel form / aquatic form macro that power shifts and can be on one button together ?

[whole swan]

Wonder how many bosses will die today now that they started raiding

[rapid wind]

Did they include any API's for tracking for classic or will it totally be in game ?

[whole swan]

Dont know just going by the server discord cause people spotted them in mc

[rapid wind]

Just wondering if we will end up with warcraftlogs for classic 🙂 Lol

[potent citrus]

\

[quaint condor]

5 strength vs 10 strength in weapon damage might feel significant difference?

[remote lance]

what's is strength in weapon damage?

also for your question for WCL for classic
it's already there

[torn crypt]

for those that are playing feral dps/tank, are you enjoying the gameplay and performance in classic so far?

[remote lance]

now we'll see all the "hidden gems of hybrids that did competitive damage but people are just too close minded to see"

[little yoke]

I enjoy kitty so far

It has its niche

being underdog is also nice

[rapid wind]

I think i might be able to combine feral charge and bash...gonna test it in a sec

[restive grotto]

When u guys think rag will die

[deep axle]

probably in less than 4hours

[lone vigil]

If I'm feral spec, how okay would healing be with a full healing set and the 20% hotw int boost?

[ornate grove]

do i need to do a specific quest to have ferocious bite, for some reason the trained doesn't teach it ?_?

[lone vigil]

It's a level 32 skill

Don't ask me why we get a talent boosting it first thing

[remote lance]

look at all the healing talents in resto, your throughput will be probably just missing 10 or 20%

but you won't have swiftmend

if even that

[lone vigil]

It's also missing some Mana Regen, but I don't wanna give up omen of clarity

Also,do the talents that boost healing boost before or after healing power

[remote lance]

how are you planning on picking up omen with hotw, are you planning on not getting NS?

all the modifiers are done after healing power

[lone vigil]

I'm asking how bad at healing would I be as a full feral spec with healing bis gear on

[rapid wind]

Yep it works great 🙂

[remote lance]

you can tell from just the missing talents, not really not that much

[lone vigil]

Okay, screw ever respecing then

It's kinda nice having so much power in gear

I did debate 20 points into resto to get mana Regen in combat, but I'll just drink more

I ask cause I've heard druids get their tier gear super fast regardless of spec and I don't mind healing if it's just a matter of swapping gear.

[remote lance]

tier set is garbage anyway

just dont' expect to get feral dps gear with a bunch of competition

feral tank gear is not that bad since nobody else wants them

[lone vigil]

I'm not seeing a ton of druids, feral or otherwise right now

Everyone gets so happy in dungeons to have thorns

[remote lance]

you're not competing "feral dps leather" with other druids but with rogues. I don't remember if leather is bis for warriors and hunters in vanilla or not, but they used a lot of leather in TBC because a lot of stat allocation was lost due to armor class

similiar reason why bis druid healing is largely cloth

this is also ignoring the fact that everyone wants similiar rings, necks and trinket

im talking about mostly raid gear of course, 5 man gear is easy enough to farm and is irrelevant

just remember in raids you're sharing 2-3 pieces of loot per boss for a 40 man raid

[floral night]

A lot of leather was bis for fury warriors

[remote lance]

yeah, this was back in the glorious design where leather gear had both agi and AP while plate lost dps stats to having more armor

[floral night]

Atleast back in vanilla. I dk what’s changed since x years of private servers

[remote lance]

this was the trend until cataclysm where they added the armor class specialization

[lone vigil]

I don't mind competition. It's what you sign up for as someone who wants to dps

That said I won't be upset if I only ever get pre raid bis

[remote lance]

you rolled a druid trying to comepete in dps?

that's a pretty big handicap you're putting on yourself

[lone vigil]

I like the class theme and hybridness

I know I won't top charts

[near mirage]

I'm banking on some day having expansion servers. =P

a BC server we can import our Classic characters and continue the adventure, some years down the road.

[lone vigil]

I work a random schedule in retail so raiding is really not something I can do reliably

[remote lance]

im sure this is something they will do

can you imagine not needing to develop a game (or as much) and having people continuously pay for it?

why WOULDN'T you do it?

[near mirage]

Exactly.

and to be honest? I'm 100% ok with that. I loved the past 14 years of WoW, here's for another 14.

[remote lance]

the fact that most people are careful about paying for a 60 dollar game, but will probably not think much on paying 15 ofr 4 months

already shows that this will be a big success regardless of what happens as long as it last just a few months

[near mirage]

The amount of people that came out of the woodwork for classic was insane. I haven't had so many players online in bnet in.. over 10 years?

[remote lance]

yeah, even if they play for just 1 minute, got bored, and quit, that's 15 dollars they wouldn't have gotten otherwise

[near mirage]

yeah.

if they'll make voluntary expansion servers, I'm 100% sure people would flock to their favorite expansion and double the numbers again.

[remote lance]

this will be trickythough

if they are all stalone people can't carry things over and some wouldn't like that

imagine being forced to restart in TBC

instead of just donig 60-70, on your first char

[near mirage]

they already have the mechanic in place to copy a character to a different set of servers, see PTR and beta.

[remote lance]

i'm aware so that's definitely an option

[near mirage]

That'd be perfect, imho.. Let people start from scratch, or import their Classic character..

so everyone is happy.

maybe world first 70 should only go to a brand new one, so that community is happy as well.

then do the same for Wrath later down the road.. This would be an easy plan for a lot of money to Blizzard..

[lone vigil]

Or only make world first alliance shaman and world first horde paladin the race

[remote lance]

i would say that sonds terrible

[near mirage]

that'd be nice too.. too bad that sucks =P lol.

[remote lance]

but world first mage on classic probably made 15k and have 20k+ viewers doing the most boring shit possible

so i'm sure people will watch anything

[near mirage]

yeah

[lone vigil]

Cause I know there's no way I'm starting fresh on tbc as anything but a draenei shaman

[remote lance]

i accidentally clicked on his stream as opposed to a video

i saw 20k people watching him aoe farming hearthglen

like are you serious

mount up and group> nova >blizzx2>coc>AE util death> drnk>repeat excellent entertainment

[lone vigil]

Better than ravage, claw claw bite, move on

[near mirage]

but would you pay to watch that?

that's what I don't understand.. bunch of people did =P

[remote lance]

i mean it's just me, but probably something not wow grinding

[lone vigil]

I sub to fitness streamers. Some would consider that boring

[remote lance]

i mean probably if you're just looking at a person pushing PR

but learning techniques, i think that's cool

[near mirage]

Exercising in company, even if it's just someone on the screen, makes it easier for me.

so I understand that much more, lol.

[lone vigil]

I've been good with still going to the gym this week

[whole swan]

Rag dead lol

[remote lance]

hard fight

[lone vigil]

Woo

[remote lance]

i wonder how long it took them to figure out what Rag's abilities are

[lone vigil]

Glad it happened as fast as casters expected

If anything this is a day early

[remote lance]

im far more impressed with the hydraxian rep than the actual raid

i know you only need a few technically

[whole swan]

25 60s and rest lower levels

[remote lance]

i wonder how it felt for the lower level casters

RESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESISTRESIST

[near mirage]

throw the lowies to the fire as meatshields.

=P

[remote lance]

I would totally chase after them on Baron Geddon

[near mirage]

hahaha

[mental crystal]

vanilla hard me boomer

live very easy 😠

[royal fossil]

the kill doesnt count cause it wasnt method

[remote lance]

did people actually expect MC to last more than a day

[whole swan]

Said couple months ago I didnt expect it to go longer then a week. Just crazy they had so many people unaffected by queues and stuff. Must have never logged off with macros

[near mirage]

they did indeed use external programs to prevent being disconnected.

[smoky sparrow]

I mean, it wasn't a very hard call

MC was 100% going to be cleared first week

[near mirage]

which.. is crap. but hey, who's to judge cheaters.

[royal fossil]

these people have had 14 years to practice

🤔

[remote lance]

practice what, rag?

[wild marlin]

They had to have exploited I can’t fucking believe it people have no integrity anymore I’m shaking in anger fucj

[royal fossil]

yes rag

[remote lance]

HIPPO CALM DOWN

[smoky sparrow]

the only thing they can practice is optimizing lvling routes or dungeon farms

[near mirage]

Poor hippo needs a slice of pizza.

[smoky sparrow]

MC doesn't have practice

[remote lance]

im sure 14 years of rag prepared them for this

[royal fossil]

yes

idd

[remote lance]

such a complex fight

[royal fossil]

big fire with hammer angry

[smoky sparrow]

"get knocked back sometimes" <- the mechanic

[royal fossil]

throw water

[remote lance]

very angary

[wild marlin]

I spent four hours in shadowfang keep with a bunch of REAL players they must have cheated somehow hacking their experience and such

[whole swan]

Didnt think mc would be the hard bit was the actually getting 60 and stuff

[wild marlin]

I can’t believe this man I’m so mad

They ruined all I had

[remote lance]

hippo breathe

[near mirage]

Is there a way to add Find Herbs as a trigger in WA? it's not an aura..

Somehow it keeps toggling off and I don't realize for hours -.-

[rapid wind]

https://wago.io/search/find+herbs+classic

It won't automate but will create a more apparent reminder that its not tracking

[near mirage]

yep that's what I was looking for. Thanks.

wait, actually there's no result.

rofl.

[lone vigil]

The most fun I've had so far was doing gnomer as a dps but healing the hellfireing lock on aoe pulls

[near mirage]

Curiosity.. did they have any druid in the MC raid?

[karmic juniper]

you need at least 1

since they min max

prob just 1

[near mirage]

That's fair.

[karmic juniper]

i don't think that really changed anything though

they could of had 7 druids and done that

[near mirage]

yeah =P

just.. perception? I guess.

[karmic juniper]

yea

[chrome nova]

wait which spell

[whole swan]

mark of the wild / faerie fire

They had 2 druids

[lone vigil]

Oh, ff is a nice utility to have as well.

[terse parrot]

what healing spells do druids use? somewhere i read some rank of healing touch being super efficient

rank 3 or somtn

[hearty ermine]

GG apes on rag

[whole swan]

rank 4 heal touch

[terse parrot]

tyty

[dense bronze]

Don't read anything into Apes raid comp, they said on stream that there were little thought put into it and just whoever who was high enough level

And yes, you only "need" one druid

[lone vigil]

you could kill Rag with 40 paladins I bet

would it be fun, no, but doable

[weary wraith]

so how long does it take for everything else to be finished

[whole swan]

Onyxia in about 10 minutes when they pull it

[rapid wind]

so go for furor after i get feline swiftness? great callthough so nice running that much faster 🙂

Also should i bother casting anything other than rank 1 entangling roots ?

for pvp anyway

and when would a feral based druid want to cast starfire, i guess wrath is good when your rooted or somehing gets far away

[dense bronze]

furor is generally not considered a priority, with most builds you will not take it until 52+

[rapid wind]

So just keep goign down the feral one I guess

How do you guys use tiger's fury? I figure we use it almost all thetime with extra energy? gotta find yet another keybind for that lol

[gilded anchor]

Mainly use it with 5 point bites

[rugged zenith]

is 1 ap = 1str?

[covert rover]

are you asking?

[rugged zenith]

i was asking, then change a bit wording of my google search. Previously i got result of wikis that are updated for i think BC stuff? where 1 agi and 1str is 1ap

[frigid quest]

Is restodruid gonna be significant as a pockethealer for my warrior buddy at 60 ?

[inner hornet]

Does anybody know the paladin discord?

[loud plank]

@inner hornet https://goo.gl/hE2n1a

[rugged zenith]

@inner hornet hammerofwrath , they're partnered so that actually the link for invite

[main marsh]

Dont join

[indigo musk]

Is there a good nameplate addon that also shows enemy cast bars?

[shadow patrol]

Any macro experts here? Could use help a bit

How do i add mouseover into these lines

#showtooltip
/cast [nomodifier] Healing Touch(Rank 2)
/cast [modifier:shift] Healing Touch(Rank 3)

[rugged zenith]

@indigo musk threatplates

[indigo musk]

@rugged zenith thanks will check it out

[placid sphinx]

hi guys, is frontshredding still a thing?

[lone vigil]

hah

[young latch]

@placid sphinx no

[placid sphinx]

ok, ty

[rapid wind]

do you guys take at least one point in NG for now? Just wondering how useful it is so far..

[vague iris]

Ng?

[rapid wind]

nature's grasp

[lone vigil]

I will when I go for omen of clarity

Also, holy hell do you need a lot of thick leather if your goal is tribal leatherworking

[digital badge]

give me your patented way to not get kicked out of game during afk

[covert rover]

Professions actually require work to lvl up 😦

Ogar - no sleep longer than thirty mins and then otherwise just keep playing is the best way

[digital badge]

was thinking about something like

when i go to work

[covert rover]

Take time off work

[digital badge]

done

[covert rover]

Yet a problem solved \o/

People staying online is the only reason for queues being so annoying currently

Most servers have none of importance anymore

Like an hour. Can actually eat and such while waiting for it

[shadow pasture]

Playing Feral Tank. After 5 points in Ferocity where should I go next?

[covert rover]

I don’t know that. I’m just a kitty 😦

[cold moth]

Is it worth it to go full bear while leveling?

if I wanna do dungeons

or just go hybrid

[young latch]

Just go full cat while leveling and you have PLENTY of bear talents to make it work

Classic dungeons aren't hard

[quaint fossil]

Blasphemy

[rapid wind]

The hardest thing is getting all your stuff working on cozy keybinds but I am enjoying it now

[royal fossil]

im quite sure there was a macro to prevent you from getting afk kicked

[covert rover]

Against tos though

So you might get a well deserved ban for it

[noble forge]

those macros/other similar methods are a reason for a longer queue too

[meager granite]

Hey everyone 😃 Need your advice on a belt (50armor, +5 def, no stats), is it worth to keep it for tanking ? (sorry for my poor english...)

[rugged zenith]

+5 def, that's juicy

[rugged zenith]

Entangling root is fucking broken, holy shit.

[glacial ember]

Anyone else have issues with chat? When people leave/join/decline party it doesnt show in chat, and neither does the info when I shift click people's names

[chrome nova]

@rugged zenith whats so broken about?

[rugged zenith]

@chrome nova i soloed lvl 32 elite as lvl 30, simply just using root

there's 1 druid on WF molten core. Poggers?

[chrome nova]

its necessary

[rugged zenith]

Innervate

[chrome nova]

right

[rugged zenith]

Hey, if they only need me for innervate. I can go do some weird shit with my talents lol.

[noble forge]

@rugged zenith nah not innervate

faerie fire

and motw

[covert rover]

i were confused for a bit with that name

also the world first wasn't much of a complex group setup

more of gathering whoever was high enough lvl

[slow ledge]

WF Ragnaros only had one druid because they only had one druid at level 60. They beat the boss with 34 players lol

[main marsh]

not everyone was 60

[split tundra]

Does anyone have a decent weapon suggestion for kitty around level 30? I'm still using level 18 mace <.< or does weapon ilvl really matter while playing feral?

[fresh jay]

Im doing dungeons and my tank pulls 5+ mobs each pull, multidotting with moonfire im finding that its my top damage. Is it worth empowering it with improved moonfire in this case?

I just multidot and then go into cat, but spells cost so much energy i feel like its not doing much as a cat in aoe

[noble forge]

@slow ledge thats a reason for the setup, doubt you can argue having more than one druid being optimal

not like you need an optimal setup but druid is optimally a one of

[fluid sigil]

currently at least on my server

people are taking bodies

just the highest levels

[frigid carbon]

@split tundra At level 30 you should be able to do Gnomeregan for the Manual Crowd Pummeller: https://classic.wowhead.com/item=9449/manual-crowd-pummeler

Just don't blow the on-use charges until you're 60 and able to solo-farm it for more

[split tundra]

@frigid carbon thank you 🙂

[rapid wind]

So easy to die to people when you are 25 so far they only seem to attack me when I have no mana or am fighting mobs that are almost killing me on their own lol

[rugged zenith]

These raid kills remind me of wotlk

[rapid wind]

im reading some guides , so i should stack some int gear for feral world pvp to avoid running out of mana ?

[rugged zenith]

Here's the thing about int/spirit/mp5 as feral. You have to ask yourself the questions "How long is the fight?" "Alright, on average it'll always be this long" "So, let me get this amount of int/spirit/mp5 on my gear"

More int mean you can abuse Furor more often and more frequently, you can ignore the 5s rule more often for more bursts damage, by extension you can also free yourself from root/slow more often.
More spirit mean, when you're able to get out of combat to reset stealth, you can restore more mana (and health) before going back to combat, mean you can get out and in of combat a lot faster
Mp5 is just flat out better, but idk if there's a lot of gear with agi together with mp5.

But that's just my take on it.

[rapid wind]

nice thanks milk

I just realized you can bind feral charge to all your "melee" attacks and there is no real downside to it

[rugged zenith]

no 0.5s gcd like in BFA.

[rapid wind]

right

saves a bind 🙂

23 mage down, 26 rogue down too killed him in bear with 2 mobs on me lol.. he attacked me... geez

[rugged zenith]

The only time i died from pvp is when i buff someone with pvp flag and randomly a lvl 40 rogue popped my ass.

[rapid wind]

sharpened claws or predatory strikes first...

I got killed 3 times by higher levels, and when I was fighting other mobs.... I am pretty bad atm with the forms management but getting better

[rugged zenith]

what's the point of increased crit chance if you do no damage? but then again Blood Frenzy is pretty strong

[rapid wind]

I hope they port clique to classic

Yeah just trying out how to go next as i am sure that at these low levels there are some that are better thanothers

Happy though that I have scored my first few pvp victories 🙂

Is feral faerie fire on the GCD or can I like macro that with other stuff

oh wait there's a cd so maybe wouldn't wanna do that

[royal fossil]

its already been ported

ive been using clique since release

[torpid musk]

Really it's not on curse.. I'll have to find it .. Curseforge

?

[royal fossil]

nah just look up wow classic clique

and just pop it into the folder

[torpid musk]

Ok thanks

[maiden current]

Anyone have a link to a good feral dps talent guide for leveling? Ive found some contradicting stuff and trust this place the most.

[torpid musk]

Shoe tips early on if you het jumped don't panic.. And don't overshoot... better to stay bear as long as possible shifting blows through mana fast and u dont want to be stuck out of form with no mana

[lone vigil]

Holy hell I'm going to have to grind like 3 levels worth of thick leather eh?

[torpid musk]

Yeah skinni g. Was fun in classic lol

[noble forge]

skinning is op!

[torpid musk]

I took herb alc and probably will regret not taking engineering

[remote lance]

no skinning in forms lawl

[noble forge]

@torpid musk planning on skilling engineering later on

too much expenses early on imo

have skinning/mining on main atm

[low steeple]

ro/

oops

[torpid musk]

Shit doesn't generally sell well though can chip away with selling some herbs

[noble forge]

Making okay Money with leather

And meat too

Not bad

Bronze sells for 30 odd silver a Stack too

[remote lance]

you just want to rush mount as fast as possible and then you can farm more efficiently

(unless you want to play the AH)

[torpid musk]

Herbs not as good as that flooded atm

[noble forge]

Havent checked herb prices

But only at Like 15g at lvl 28 so Not Sure when i get the mount

[torpid musk]

Isn't travel form good enough for the time being haha :)

[remote lance]

for leveling for sure

[torpid musk]

Yeag I have 6 gold or spo

[remote lance]

but epic mount is still a lot faster obviously

[torpid musk]

Level 24

[remote lance]

i really wouldn't worry about gold while leveling up that much especially as a druid since travel form isn't much slower than regular mount

[noble forge]

Im a Warrior im a

[remote lance]

oh you're playing best class of classic

[noble forge]

But ye travel Form in a Lot of Situation is faster than mount

[remote lance]

dps warrior tanking taking enrage talent actually seems super fun

[noble forge]

Cause its instant

[remote lance]

you can probably hold aoe aggro DW and do most damage

i really don't think 5 mans hit hard enough that you have to use a shield

[noble forge]

Im Arms atm for leveling

[remote lance]

and parry haste is lel

[noble forge]

I tried 2 Hand tanking i really noticed getting trucked

[remote lance]

is arms better than fury for leveling?

[noble forge]

Prolly too risky at that point

Think you can do both

But doing Dungeons too sweeping strikes will Be nice

[remote lance]

ye and imp OP is actually really good for leveling

charge gives more rage too, so probably yeah arms is better

[noble forge]

Ye you can Charge rend

With talent

Without you need an autoattack

To rend

[sand raven]

Travel Form is only surpassed by a Mount if you're moving for 24 seconds or longer

[torpid musk]

I had some stuff last night where I panicked and died as every pop encounter was a bank attempt and ended up mom fast. Then had two to elemental on my rogue attacked by quick reiuv back to bear strafe kite maul and he died with both mobs still one me

If I'd try to swap out I'm sure I'd be dead lol

The level 40 mount is how much ?

60 is 100 ?

[remote lance]

100, 90 with honored rep, iirc

[torpid musk]

For the 60 epic is 100 ?

[remote lance]

60% mount is 100g, 100% mount is 1000g

10% discount at honored

actually, i'm not even sure if the 10% discount applied to the 1000g mount

[velvet relic]

im 99% sure it does

i was in southshore earlier as ally and the 100% speed mount was 900 gold and im honored with SW

[silver skiff]

Anyone know if wolfshead helm is stacking with furor in the current phase?

[torpid musk]

Someone said to take 2 points in furor and go down to form shift talent in balance for levelling ?

[silver skiff]

that sounds awful

[torpid musk]

Which

Furor would be nice though might suck since its ng till 5 points... NS and IS are a must t|ough my levelling build would be more world PvP focused

[silver skiff]

2 in furor feels a bit too rng

I went balance til 20, NG and natural weapons, then respeced over to full feral to pick up feline swiftness and the good talents that come beyond that

[torpid musk]

What are those :)

I can't wait for faerie feral

[dense bronze]

If you are focusing on leveling you won't be picking furor until 52+

[torpid musk]

I'm levelling but I like destroying gankers as I'm doing it :)

[cold moth]

You can skin in forms btw

[balmy spear]

What are relics by the way?

'cause I never found one

[loud plank]

Relics were slotted in to legion artifact weapons to increase ilvl

and other things

[balmy spear]

In classic I have a slot relic

[loud plank]

oh sorry I didn't see which channel this was

lol

my bad

[balmy spear]

XD

[faint warren]

these are the items that go in that slot

https://classic.wowhead.com/armor/class:11/slot:28#0+14+18

idols = druid, librams = paladin, totems = shaman

[dense bronze]

Relics are not in until phase 5 by the way

[balmy spear]

Oh thanks

What is phase 5?

There is not much choice

[lucid ingot]

what talents to choose first ... liek from 10 to 20 go Balance for Omen of Clarity or go feral ferocity first into feline swiftness fast

like 11 points in Balance then go feral talents ? .. or its better to take feral talents asap

[dense bronze]

Cornedru: you will find a post in pinned messages that contain what each phase contains

[balmy spear]

@dense bronze thanks

[lone vigil]

so tempted to spend 10g on a viscous hammer

What level would the Crowd Pummeler soloable?

[sterile beacon]

IS there a way i can macro shapeshifting out of bear\cat to cast a revuj?

[lone vigil]

cause ugh, not many levelling weapon options

[cold moth]

/cancelform
/cast [@player] Reju

?

or cancelaura is better

[sterile beacon]

i can try it

[cold moth]

/cancelaura Blessong of Protection

o = i

[sterile beacon]

so /cancelaura bear form

/cast Rejuv?

[cold moth]

if you want specific aura to be canceled ye

i cant spell reju

correct

[sterile beacon]

me neither

ill shift click it

[cold moth]

(y)

[sterile beacon]

it worked!!!

thank you

[cold moth]

if you play ally youd want a cancelaura blessing of protection cause it will make you lose all threat instgant then you cant atack during the aura so its an easy way to be able to attack fast again with no threat

bear or cat

[sterile beacon]

Right, right. thanks

csame would work for warstomp yes?

[cold moth]

yes i dont think there needs to be a castsequense

[sterile beacon]

Cool thanks

How do i get it to show the war stomp picture? i dont have all the time to go through this whole list haha

[cold moth]

the first thing you write in the macro is then #showtooltip War Stomp

then go to next lane

like press enter

[sterile beacon]

Gotcha! thank you

Yey!! All works!

[cold moth]

this is an good macro also , can be modificed to cat etc.
#showtooltip Maul(Rank 1)
/startattack
/cast Maul

you are caster form pulliung with spells then enter a form

i kinda was hyped a bit for classic but after a week sitting in queues not being able to play retail while queueing and last night see ape shit on MC and onyxia made it very hard to motivate putting any effort into this, just my thoughts

since its 1.13 client everything is so nerfed and classes buffed

[mental crystal]

or it could just be that vanilla was dogshit easy as a whole

and people just have views clouded by nostalgia

[cold moth]

I wouldnt say that, but patch 1.13 changed the game. it was the prepatch for tbv

like I mean if it wasnt for 1.13 people would still need to farm some resistance gear etc

mechanics stil easy yes

but essentially the journey isnt in classic, since all the nerfs

naxxramas is also nerfed in this patch so those last few guilds that werer stuck on 4 horsemen could do it and get kel before tbc

(my guild)

[mental crystal]

1.13 isn't TRUE vanilla 😠

[dense bronze]

1.13 was not the prepatch for TBC

[mental crystal]

the fact of the matter is regardless of nerfs etc the content would still be piss easy because the player base is so much more competent even disregarding hardware etc upgrades

really gives that yummy schadenfreude having all those rose tinted morons being put in their place about the difficulty of the game tbh

[limber hollow]

2.0 was the true pre-patch, and that's how it's always been since

[cold moth]

ok maybe its noit the pre aptch for tbc but my point is still right

everything is nerfed

[dense bronze]

Everything is as it was in 1.12

[cold moth]

yes

-30% hp on bosses, onyxias core abilitys nerfed also ragnaros

änd naxx

[mental crystal]

yeah i'm sure all those differences would've accounted for months more progression

/s

[balmy spear]

There is date for each phase?

[mental crystal]

i'll give you that they might not have one shot it

[dense bronze]

I can't recall any raid nerfs in 1.12

[cold moth]

Im not arguing against you @mental crystal im just saying they have created a easier version af wow vanilla

[mental crystal]

Easier than something that was already incredibly easy

grind =/= difficulty

[cold moth]

whatever i think it sucks and blizzard blew it

[mental crystal]

lmao you knew it was going to be this patch for what, at least half a year?

doesn't really seem like blizz's fault that it caught you off guard

[cold moth]

im not crying a river over here dude

slow down

[dense bronze]

@cold moth I'm curious to what exact raid nerfs you mean?
because naxx came out 1.11

[limber hollow]

Got any proof of those 1.12 targeted raid nerfs?

[cold moth]

maybe my memory is off and stuff but 4 horsemen got that change that was in wotlk also where 2 tanks could handle it. 1 on each side, and also you couldnt farm rep to be attuned to nax like you can now in this stage

[mental crystal]

idk i'm just really tired of the crowd that's spent all this time whining about the superiority of vanilla, then when finally blizz tries to replicate the game as close to as it was them just moving the goalposts instead of accepting their delusion xd

[cold moth]

Im not one of those that said vanilla is superior, I was certain they would go in before level 60 and down mc etc

[dense bronze]

I think you are remembering wrong

[cold moth]

but actuallly also see it made it true

[dense bronze]

Far as I recall naxx remained pretty much unchanged until it got removed

[mental crystal]

just wanna see boomers admit they were wrong yfm

[dense bronze]

But here is the thing

[limber hollow]

pretty much

[dense bronze]

If you don't like classic

Don't play classic

simple as that

[mental crystal]

I'm having a tonne of fun with classic don't get me wrong

just there's so much shit that's awful about it lmao

[limber hollow]

Galaxy Brain Take: Playing Classic AND admitting Classic is far superior to Vanilla

[cold moth]

I dont think I am

stats where changed in 1.7

etc

[dense bronze]

naxx wasn't out in 1.7

🤔

[mental crystal]

like I've actually been having a blast with group content way more than any point in bfa

which kinda says a lot about bfa

[limber hollow]

Ehh, Classic is great fun for chill gameplay

but nothing compares to the thrill of high m+

[cold moth]

scratch classic, develop new content on a monthly basis in retail.

[limber hollow]

nah

[mental crystal]

fuck new content fix the classes first

big yikes

[limber hollow]

All the classes i play are mostly fine

[cold moth]

why are you even playin gwow lotp

[limber hollow]

sucks if you're on the shitlist though

[cold moth]

youi dont seem to enjoy anything

[mental crystal]

?

I literally just said i'm having loads of fun with classic

my point was I hate it when people treat vanilla as if it wasn't some dysfunctional flawed pile of shit

even though it can still be fun

I haven't played live since ghuun rekills and the 8.1 feral rotation massacre

apart from getting flying

[limber hollow]

Feral has been buffed every patch since launch though

[mental crystal]

Did I say anything about numbers :0

[limber hollow]

I love it because it's closer to 7.3 goat

[mental crystal]

they took the core gameplay aspects out of that spec and now it just feels fucking limp

couldn't care how much damage it puts out if i'm fundamentally not having fun playing it

also it's really not like 7.3

[limber hollow]

i know, but it's closer

[mental crystal]

like it's simpler sure, like 7.3 was

but there's way different things to focus on with the two iterations

tl;dr blizz decided to murder my spec and now i'm unironically having more fun autoattacking on a hunter in 15 year old content

[limber hollow]

They murdered it for you to make it more fun for me

just an example of not being able to please everyone

[mental crystal]

i mean sure the changes were completely catered to casuals

but it's pretty embarrassing to even call that spec feral anymore

if you find pushing bite over and over fun i'm not gonna contest that

it's just there's a class called rogue that already did that xd

[limber hollow]

Being a huge lion is unbeatable fantasy, and feral has more going on than that between maintaining the dots and balancing the 3 energy cds to ensure you don't starve

[balmy spear]

@limber hollow 3?

[mental crystal]

ok keep telling yourself that xd

[balmy spear]

I count only tiger fury and berserker

[mental crystal]

also energy starving

xd

[balmy spear]

@mental crystal damn right

[mental crystal]

pooling hasn't mean fuck all for like a year and a half now

[limber hollow]

In any case, our discussion is just an example of how they can't ever "fix" the classes for everyone, when different players on the same class value different things

[mental crystal]

no but there's no point completing flipping the design philosophy on a niche spec that's already chastised by the community so people don't wanna play it to appease like the 10 people who'll now pick it up as an alt

reversing a design philosophy that's been in place for what, at least 10 years?

also this is even assuming it was a design philosophy and not just complete incompetence and laziness on the talent rework and balancing :0

or imbalancing if you ever do a full talent compare :)

daily reminder that 8.0 3 wfr feral had at least 10 builds within <1% sim variance :0

anyway this isn't for classic, you can ping any orange in the feral channel if you wanna hear more xd

about the great 8.1 feral massacre

[limber hollow]

If that's a massacre i hope i get massacred in real life, lol

[mental crystal]

weird flex but ok

[lucid ingot]

.

[faint frigate]

@remote lance what do i do for damage wise while leveling? do i go HOTW and just play cat form?

i was running some dungeons last night with a lock and mage. and i was doing less damage than the TANK XD am i bad or are druids really this bad??

[remote lance]

well, if things die before your dots tick or when you're out of energy your damage is going to suck

as far as talents go you definitely go feral first until you get feline swiftness and feral charge, but im not sure if it's better to go all the way to hotw first or go down balance for ooc first

[cold moth]

I just go cat form for leveling, it feels a lot faster

Feral is the best spec apparently, and you can tank dungeons which makes getting groups easy

[faint frigate]

ooc?

[vague iris]

Omen

[faint frigate]

and hotw build doesnt go down balance tree does it?

[remote lance]

omen makes you go down 11 into balance, if your're feral you ultimately spec into omen regardless unless you really want NS

it's just the order of things

[faint frigate]

I SEE IT

so u want to get omen then just do HOTW build?

[remote lance]

i don't know which order is better and i think it's debated too, since nature's grasp is 5 points of fluff unless you are on pvp server

[faint frigate]

yeah and u cant use NG in dungeons

[remote lance]

ultimately it probably doesn't matter too much as long as you get feline swiftness first since you spend most time leveling on travelling

[faint frigate]

Ok thanks ma dude

[cold moth]

insect swarm is a resto talent what?

[fluid sigil]

@remote lance how do i escape moonglade

do i just hearthstone

[covert rover]

gryphon master thingy flies you out

[remote lance]

lol

yeah, there's a grif on the southwest side of the village (the village, not the entire map)

alternatively you can run through the furblog cave

[covert rover]

good luck with that <.<

if it's from the bear quest

[remote lance]

dont be afraid of level skull furblogs

[covert rover]

just gotta get neutral /friendly with them with abit of work

[faint frigate]

i think i need to reset my talents

im 29 and there all over the place haha

[chrome nova]

What does it look like?

[young latch]

@faint frigate don't reset

Resting is to expensive

[faint frigate]

i havent reset yet

id only reset now and then at 60.

id have to send 3 ss but dont wanna spam this chat

[remote lance]

1g is fine, just plan better when you do it

[faint frigate]

haha yeah

[fluid sigil]

@covert rover yea it was from my quest i've not done that since wrath

actually enjoying druid so much more than i thought I would

it's just so much more fun than warrior

bleh

[covert rover]

yeah.. i have no intention of playing warrior for sure

one of our guys are warrior by heart though

he's certainly enjoying himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqPObgZoqZ0&feature=youtu.be

i'm only lvl 12 .. been busy >.<

i'm looking so much forward to hit 20 ..ree

[severe ledge]

So i‘ll spend my first 5 points (lvl 12 yet) in Balance tree for natures grasp thing?

[fluid sigil]

I think it's best to always go feral tree first

simply because at 20 and 21

you want feline swiftness

for just running around real quick

30% movespeed is pog

[mental crystal]

imagine not having 36% extra movespeed tho

o i am LAFFIn

[covert rover]

wait.. 36?

[young latch]

@faint frigate send a screenshot it's fine

[covert rover]

but yeah.. i've gone straight for the movementspeed.. been the plan all along

[mental crystal]

aspect of the cheetah with talent

[covert rover]

even if it's not optimal it's more fun to me

[faint frigate]

boomy tree

[covert rover]

prolly going with the longer stuns too really because.. i just want it to be enjoyable .. not nessesarly optimal

[faint frigate]

sorry guysss

[covert rover]

wow wtf is that

[faint frigate]

my tree atm

[covert rover]

is that even a tree?

[faint frigate]

hahahah

[covert rover]

a druid tree???

[faint frigate]

new to classic

never played it

[mental crystal]

true hybrid

[covert rover]

is fair enough.. just pick what you think looks fun

[faint frigate]

hahaha