How can you play on live and classic at the same time
#classic
silk fable
just change the game in bnet?
low steeple
it won't let you log onto both at the same time
silk fable
yikes
covert rover
Just have two accounts :)))
remote jetty
You can't log into the same account on both Classic & Live
frosty shore
Thanks for the guide ! I had lost it
Now the real question is, play classic on main account or sub account...
hearty ermine
The team is predicting a fairly steep drop off compared to the interest players are showing on launch day.
duh
Many people have been waiting for this launch for years and are committed to the long haul, but there will also be tons of tourists checking it out at launch.
also duh
violet stag
What Servers are BEst for ALliance players for Raiding?
I want to Play again, but don't Want to play on a Dead Alliance Server
violet stag
Oh There is no information yet on his?
fiery creek
Gnome area, well organized 😂
hearty ermine
on live people would slash each others necks to get to the npc first 😄
lone vigil
yay bear form
solar stream
its bear morphin time
lone vigil
hmm, caster staff stronger still
grave notch
it's easy to oom, you have no choice but to melee a lot 
lone vigil
running through the wetlands yay yay
rugged zenith
i got dc'd because lidl nvidia
but i can log back in quickly before my character actually kicked out of the game and no queue
it felt better than sex
mental crystal
wh
whole swan
Eu servers got shutdown 😄
grave notch
server restart
grave notch
just think of it as an excuse for a food /toilet break
median trail
So someone's telling me that because bosses have so much parry bear tanks die too fast to be able to tank anything, even dungeons.
I'm 99% everything this person says is bullshit.
median trail
Figured that, but she's being obscenely pissy that me and someone else are rolling druid.
arctic jungle
what is he rolling?
median trail
Because druids are "so bad at everything they can't do any content."
She's playing Priest.
median trail
Human, I think Holy?
arctic jungle
lmao
median trail
Whatever WoWhead says is the best for leveling is.
arctic jungle
tell him that if he wants to be so hardcore
maybe he should not be a pussy
and go dwarf
lmao
median trail
Bitching that FFXIV is a better game anyway and Classic is shit and retail is worse.
arctic jungle
u know
ff xiv's endgame
is literally retail's endgame
just ignore him
he is hating without knowing shit xD
median trail
So yeah just making sure this person was as untrustworthy as they sounded.
Oh yeah I've played FFXIV more than her, I'm pretty confident.
That game has FAR less of an endgame than WoW.
Fewer raid difficulties, fewer raids, dungeons don't drop meaningful gear.
Dungeons in fact are just dailies you do for currency to buy raid sidegrades.
cold moth
As resto druid what should be the first spell I buy? any guide someone can link? 🙂
green lodge
Blessed image
cold moth
Holy shit
bright nacelle
cold moth
is it possible to play on retail and classic clients at the same time? seems not to work on same wow account, but I have 1 normal wow account that is egible for classic but no subscription and It seems I can logon and play there. im sitting in a long login q atm thats why im asking first
will try sooner or later
from what I member @bright nacelle feral druids were quite versitale, good dmg for raid and good in pvp. while also able to tank most 5-10man content
maybe some 3rd offtank spot in a raid
cold moth
dang
young latch
I bet you it's something to do with battlenet weirdness
cold moth
money
young latch
It's not money it's probably a limitation of them both being wkw
Wow
And battlenet integration
cold moth
ah okey
cause playing diablo and wow same time is np
well hopefully playerbase spreads out a bit and que times gets better or else think I gotta pass classic
young latch
Yea but if it was a separate button on the left of the launcher like d3 is I could understand
Just play on the oce pve server 0 queue
cold moth
yes everyone says that just play on the low pop
but playing on a server where no one you know plays, nah.
faint frigate
Hey guys im going moonglow build i think
while leveling what points do i put my talents in?
torpid inlet
anyone know if boats are broken?
errant smelt
really? fuck
viscid tulip
How are ferals in classic? Good in both pvp and pve aspects? Any fun?
frosty slate
herd it's below average at dps, but good in open world and pvp
errant smelt
are the zeps broken as well? or just boats
errant smelt
... shit
covert rover
Which realm?
cold moth
gehennas eu
cold moth
some servers has no queues
im just little bit mad that I cant have retail open while queing for classic.
remote lance
Unlucker
fallen kernel
lunar crystal
just play minecraft
whole swan
Woke up to 18k queue at time when most people would have work, Fuck this is gonna suck for weeks 😄
chrome nova
play on a different server?
whole swan
All of the pvp ones have queues dont they?
I know the big 3 have stupid ones and thats where most people are playing
chrome nova
yes thats why they have queues
remote lance
Just deal with queue unless you dont mind dealing with dead server a few weeks down the road
No point in rushing a 15 year old game anyway
You really care about claiming server first on a boss killed 15 years ago?
whole swan
Nope, but some people care cause they are going super try hard
cold moth
i thnk most of us are attached to a server because of friends
some of my frieends hitting 30 soon
drowsy sail
I want to play classic, you had to socialize, enjoy the quests, the scenarios... >WTH is this queue? I want to rush to lvl 60 gogogo allnighter 🤦
well, at least now we have that quest queue meme
cold moth
im in no rush but it sucks, cant play retail while i wait..
whole swan
Yeah thats the problem
Have to sit and do legit nothing
Cause cant sit on retail while you wait
remote lance
I'm sure some care and some would debate that this wf is different than that wf
drowsy sail
well, queues were part of vanila too xD
remote lance
"Posting out for raid need to sit in queue for classic"
drowsy sail
there were some who called going for a 1-week kill for ragnaros 🤷
whole swan
Will still probably get it if they are online
As soon as they get the 5 man groups into dungeon spam
remote lance
Hydraxian rep grind seems like the bottleneck
cold moth
they kill ragnaros before hitting lvl 60.
remote lance
And not necessarily the gear
remote lance
Right it needs to be organized
remote lance
Probably
drowsy sail
clearly, now everyone can check up gear, tactics and minmaxing your class... Luckily they disabled those cheat script macros
dense bronze
Disable is probably not the right word, the macro system and addons api is based on BFA, not vanilla
which is a good thing, the vanilla one was way too powerful
remote lance
Yes. You can only have one ignite in classic so the first mage that gets it gets all the deeps and threat
cold moth
feck
remote lance
It was great
cold moth
i think im playing feral anyways tbh
drowsy sail
and the designed hunter who was the only one to use hunter's mark xD
cold moth
or demon hunter
drowsy sail
oh right, what have they done with the debuff limit from vanilla?
chrome nova
I mean its intentional
cold moth
yes but comiung forward like it was something hard for them to do
whole swan
Its instantly 16 instead of 8
remote lance
Better be able to mind vision burning adrenaline off tanks on vael or riot
cold moth
this whole thing is literally free money for almost zero work from blizzards part
they loving it
drowsy sail
mind control + /me to talk with the other faction 
cold moth
and add up to it NO retail or classic client can be running on the same time
coincidence? I THINK NOT.
whole swan
EU had one this morning
main marsh
ok
drowsy sail
I dont know why you cant run both instances of the game... thats weird
cold moth
you can if you subscribe 2 accs
remote lance
I'm sure they needed to do some work but yes I'm sure they are getting much better returns that someone actually trying to make a good new game
main marsh
literally they should make way way more layers, or allows us to play bfa at the same time
remote lance
Imagine paying 15 a month to play a 15 year old game assuming you aren't interested in retail
cold moth
fucking bullshi
remote lance
Because that's a lot of people
whole swan
Just cause u dont find something fun
remote lance
Lol wardened
whole swan
Clearly doesnt mean others dont, look how many played yesterday
main marsh
remote lance
I dont know why you are defensive about that
cold moth
was no discord back then either, delete ?
remote lance
I didnt say people are dumb for paying. I say it's easy money for blizzard
cold moth
#bringbackthottbot
remote lance
Allakhazam had better website
whole swan
Meh, read otherwise to me
dense bronze
Wowhead have a thottbot skin choice for classic
cold moth
all i remember was i checked up a quest and read the comments, to this day I still remember the comment. "longest......corspe.....run.....ever"
you could feel
cold moth
idk man it was a funny comment cause you could feel the feeööling hpow he spelled it out.
i dont f kn care no cthun whatever
prob feralas or desolace
cold moth
also NE female iykwdim
lean sandal
Hey guys is there like a general classic wow discord ?
cold moth
prob some at wowhead
grave notch
there are several classic discords
people have made server specific ones
idk of a general one though
violet flame
is classic on 1.13 or 1.12. cause my client says 1.13
grave notch
1.13
violet flame
initially ppl said its 1.12. but in the end it became 1.13?
grave notch
what's the most accurate server statistics site out there to know the spread of horde/alliance ratio?
violet flame
It is the 1.12 database, but because it’s running on a new server version, and you’re using an improved client, they named it 1.13. It’s still the 1.12 state of the game.
polar vine
😊😊
main marsh
😳
junior wagon
remote lance
you know what the best part about that video is
thaddius enrage warning in 3 minutes when it's already at 10%
violet sky
Lol
stiff furnace
Everything is viable. Unless you’re pushing wf or speed runs just play what you like honestly
People are planning on running 20 man MC groups to gear faster early on. If it can be done with 20 ideal classes it can be done with 40 people playing what they want
remote lance
yeah, one thing that's good about classic is that everything is already known and it is accepted that you can do everything with mostly everything (nothing extreme like 30 lolrets)
exotic walrus
So, I mained a boomkin at original launch and was forced to switch to resto at 60. What do you think the odds are that it will be "ok enough" this time around?
fresh umbra
this queue timers made my day
torn terrace
grave notch
there are no transfers in place at the moment
blizzard are adding them later, not confirmed when
hearty ermine
411 minute que on golemagg
fresh jay
Wasnt the last talent hurricane for moonkins?
remote lance
it was until they revamped the tree a little
cold moth
is it against the ToS to stay online while asleep in order to avoid the queue??
since asmon muted his stream while scheming
covert rover
As long as he don’t do it with automated systems
If he only nap long enough not to get logged out it’s fine
remote lance
napping is against tos in vanilla
cold moth
last thing we heard was using an oscillating fan that hits spacebar every time it turns
then he muted
covert rover
Ferals remover from game 😦
remote lance
rip
dense bronze
While I don't think fans hitting the keyboard is specifically mentioned as not allowed in the EULA I don't think it would be allowed
And beside it would look awfully like a script since the timing will be the same
Blizzard reserves the right to terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason, or for no reason, with or without notice to you.
Don't be evil, log off and let someone else play while you sleep
If everone would be doing this you would never be able to login yourself if you ever were to DC
royal fossil
guys why is my wrath green
chrome nova
So glad there are no queues in classic
hearty ermine
you know what i think is cool...is people lining up for mobs
wouldnt see that on live
viscid hemlock
Do y’all think the realms that have lower que times will be dead in a few weeks? I wonder if it’s worth spending a ton of time leveling a toon on a server that will be garbage in a month.
chrome nova
They'll open faction transfers at some point aswell, so might be an option, ideally just play with friends
viscid hemlock
I wonder how long this question stuff will last. A few weeks probably
polar vine
lmfao
last bison
What's the highest level so far? I can't get on twitch
sleek shale
theres a 36 hunter streaming, idk what the actual highest is though
wild citrus
well this is pretty weird. there's like 10-20k queue but I cant find ppl to finish an elite quest nice xD
and I barely see anyone lvling around zones
feels like an old private server lol
anyone had same problem?
dense bronze
You might have been placed in a fresh layer
wild citrus
can I do anything about it? all my friends are asleep so cant have any of them invite me to a new layer
dense bronze
You could always just try asking some randoms in general if they could invite you for a second to test something?
dense bronze
Unless they have changed something recently then yes they are all supposed to share it
wild citrus
so either the server is dead or everyone chose to stay away from loch modan xD
chrome nova
Does anyone ever go to loch modan?
wild citrus
dont dwarfs and gnomes go to loch modan?
dense bronze
Well actually, seems I was wrong
global chats should be global (trade, lfg, worldefense), local chats are per layer (per some recent reddit comment)
chrome nova
Well there is a long time since I levelled anything on alliance, but cant remember touching that zone
wild citrus
ah that makes sense I guess
last bison
My experience as alliance back in the day is you always made the trek to level in westfall
fallen yarrow
does blizz frown on trading gold in bfa for gold in classic?
mental crystal
I would imagine it's against their ToS since they're seperate clients
you don't need to tell them you're doing it though : )
uneven dawn
gold in classic is worth 1000% more than retail wow gold, so good luck with that
fallen yarrow
kinda late on this
but classic gold is worth way way way more than 1000% compared to retail
maybe you meant 1000x
even then, I'm skeptical
uneven dawn
While I can't say the correct amount, we can both agree it's worth dramatically more
balmy spear
Since you earn less gold
balmy spear
And spend more on spell
covert rover
Just a healthy amount of people
grave notch
my layer running around silverpine felt just the right amount of people
playing at night also helps not feeling crowded xd
idk what it was like during the day since i didn't get in game til 7pm
cold moth
Mulgore was really nice but I'm going to barrens next
gilded anchor
Hey guys does anyone know if there is an addon to help with power shifting, eg talking to npcs, interacting with loot items etc etc
I know it exists, just dont know its name
lunar crystal
maybe an addon, but I would solve it with macro that cancels all forms with ~ button
main marsh
Yup
whole swan
Might have been called lazypig but I dont know if it's been remade
steady bone
Lazypig is remade, but I'm not sure if it helps
dense bronze
Not sure where you found a remade lazypig
(because there isn't any)
You however have Leatrix plus which will replace some of the features (and add a few new)
But neither will solve the problem
lusty cave
hi, which guides do you guys use? not sure which one to trust the most yet.
coarse mica
Is it easy to heal dungeons without healing talents?
cba respeccing
or do I just tank/dps
near mirage
I got my interface to an almost decent spot, but I'm missing an addon to make the quest log / questgiver window larger.. Anyone has any suggestion on a working one? tried QuestLogEx but that does not change vertical size and still need scrolling to see rewards on most quests.
lunar crystal
if you level as feral tanking is easy too
lusty jungle
what profesions good for feral ?
near mirage
engeneering is probably the only really relevant one, if you're going to use all the things you can craft with it, like the bombs.
near mirage
when they'll release lich king.
=P it's not in classic. it was added later. Same as Jewelcrafting.
spark shadow
are there any rotation addons for feral classic?
young latch
umm
its literally just 5 combo points then bits
bite ???
thats literally it
forever
silk fable
engineering isnt relevant till 60 tho, i would recommend doing either skinning/lw or just 2 gather professions
to make money on the way
spark shadow
is powershifting all the time still a thing for maxiumum dps?
hasty dune
Does weapon damage and skill count in bear- and cat form? Or would a one handed with stats be better then a two handed without stats?
near mirage
only stats until we'll get feral attack power, way later in the phases.
near mirage
that's why the manual crowd pummeler is best in slot forever, with the on-use.
yep, no skills. Which sucks because we need more hit rating.
hasty dune
Didn’t understand that last part 🙂 but ok thanks!
near mirage
and increasing your weapon skill reduces your chance to miss when attacking a target. [Wowhead]
or it goes the other way around? now I'm having a moment.. Do we get 100% weapon skill, or 0% ?
main marsh
Anyone know any script to make insc the range of enemy nameplates?
near mirage
since our attacks don't count as any weapon type. hm.
main marsh
Cuz the old one is not working
lone bear
well we ony need to gear for 8% hit dont we?
near mirage
I honestly don't remember how it worked in classic anymore. It might very well be that it's always considered at max level, so yeah.
lunar crystal
it's 5% for your own level 8% for your level +3
hasty dune
Okay we will have to investigate this. But it’s clear that stats is all that matter in a wep. So it’s better to run around with one dagger with stats then a two handed without any?
dense bronze
@young latch feral rotation is a bit more complex unless you want to be completely useless
young latch
yeah i spose
it is a bit complex
with the power shifting right and all the mcp stuff
dense bronze
I might dare to say that feral dps actually got the most complex rotation
young latch
it has always been a pretty complex spec
thinking about it
its a bit more than just build combo points and spend with bite
fluid sigil
sleepy boi
stoic agate
Blizzard keeps opening servers to get people away from queues
2weeks Blizzard silently increase the number layers on popular servers
Queues seemingly vanish
Paid server transfers open
sterile eagle
What professions would you suggest a Feral?
young latch
@fresh jay,
@karmic juniper is playing moonkin in classic
fierce herald
LW + Skinning is your best bet for an easy experience to level up along with
Just remember literally everyone else will be running that combo too
sterile eagle
Any exp worth alchemist?
fierce herald
Alternatives are 2 gathering like herb + mining, engineering + mining if you want to PVP, or tailoring and any generic gathering prof
Alchemy isnt as easily lucrative as skinning I would guess, less people leveling alchemy on day 1/2
but you can stash the plants and keep listing them, and at max level you have the major reagent farming game, although there are similar things for most gathering proffs
fierce herald
It can be, but the profitable bits are highly sought after, same thing with Deavilsaur leather for skinning
sterile eagle
What does sought mean
sterile eagle
Enchanting is with bc or not
royal fossil
how much will i hate myself for picking the most complicated class rotationally with one of the least dps
zinc shale
Are ppl really going to roll moonkin
fresh jay
I am
zinc shale
Jesus it's more like oomkin
All the other dps classes will outdps you since the tier set are optimised for resto
fierce herald
Enchanting is too expensive to level early unless you have major backing. Too many green items required that you wont just stumble across. Most guilds will likely have an elected enchanter they feed with the items they need to level it.
if you do want to be an enchanter, get 2 gathering professions and make bank ready for later when you hit 60
grave notch
most profitable gathering? or they about the same
fierce herald
@royal fossil If you mean feral, its really not hard, it seems hard but it basically boils down to having a power shift macro that you think of as "spend X mana to get X energy" that you want to cast at specific times before energy ticks
zinc shale
Also skinning
grave notch
so they are about the same?
zinc shale
But if you are going druid then skinning and herb
Less downtime while leveling
Since you can do that while travel form
grave notch
I'm priest and i'm only going for 1 gathering, I'll keep tailoring. My druid alt will be herb and mining
fierce herald
LW is an exception in so far as EVERYONE will take it, because its 0 effort and you get a lot of yield, means the prices will be lower and there will be more sales competition, but then again, the whole point is you just do quests and skin the stuff you kill, no keeping an eye out for ores and stuff
zinc shale
Also the power shifting will not be great if you have lag, if you got then you are fucked hard
fierce herald
I dont think it will be tooooo bad... as long as you use a macro and dont rely on double pressing buttons
grave notch
power shifting?
zinc shale
It's a way to Max dps as cat form
grave notch
oh ok feral stuff
fierce herald
noone will bother until lvl 40 anyway, and the lag should lift by the time most of us get there lol
zinc shale
There are talents to regain energy while shifting but it requires more concentration
zinc shale
For me I'm going classic resto
fierce herald
I havent even gotten on since release
grave notch
I got on at 7pm yesterday after a 6 hour queue, played for like 10 hours straight
in a 93 minute queue atm
fierce herald
got to lvl 12 in the 5 hours before the servers restarted, slept, had my only days work of the week, got in that night for like 1 hour before another restart lol
zinc shale
I don't have a queue since I'm on a rppvp server
fierce herald
currently in a brutal 7k queue that has lasted over 3 hours and only gotten me to #3000
lofty snow
We have a lot of ppl in our guild that Remote Desktop in to start the queue
fierce herald
I woke up at like 9, should have queued then, instead went back to sleep and got up midday
I needed the sleep though, had just been awake for 40 hours
grave notch
queue and go back to sleep 😛
whole swan
These queues are hardly moving today, Hope blizz does something cause i know quite a few people that are using macros to not log out
grave notch
same
fierce herald
for sure, queues are like, 4x slower today
grave notch
mine's moved like 800 in an hour
whole swan
Been in queue for 4 and a half hours now, by time i get online im gonna have to log retail to raid and it starts all over again >.<
grave notch
i raid tomorrow can't wait to see what queue is like after
rugged zenith
anyone know the proc rate of Omen of Clarity?
balmy spear
@grave notch it depend from déconnexion of player so if they're no life you can never reach the end xD
whole swan
Thats the problem when people sit afk logged in pressing a key every 5 mins they never log
grave notch
it's awful and selfish, everyone wants to get in and actually play the game and there are people afk'ing with external shit for hours. we need to be able to actually rotate players in. people are doing it because of queues, but everyone doing it makes them WORSE
grave notch
they restarted very early morning 2 nights now
young latch
they are a bunch of bloody nerds now
have you seen the shit that theory crafters do these days
rugged zenith
I am going to try some weird melee balance druid build lol
whole swan
If they theory craft a way to skip the queue hit me up
young latch
be on a different servr
grave notch
🤣
young latch
there is literally no need to be on servers that are that packed
whole swan
Dude they all are
rugged zenith
idk, waste all mana, auto attack andy, use proc on starfire, auto attack andy
whole swan
Apart from pve ones
grave notch
a lot will only play on pvp
whole swan
Never play pve its pussy shit
whole swan
Hardly
grave notch
people still love it though
young latch
world pvp isnt real pvp
rugged zenith
bg cross realm, wpvp in classic is fun. But no reward, so no thx. Pve realm it is lol
grave notch
for A lottttttttttt of people it's the main reason they are playing
rugged zenith
Yeah, and that's good
rugged zenith
I think being known in the community is the best reward in classic
whole swan
I know people that switched cause original servers blizz kept saying would be packed and the ones they switched to they cant get on either
Pvp has rewards come next phase
grave notch
like
whole swan
And your gonna have to sit and gank people to hit them
young latch
so being popular/cool is the only reason most ppl play classic?
rugged zenith
Server down on US, ppHands
flat haven
All servers will have queue times. Even med/low pop
whole swan
People play cause its fun. And people find pvp fun? Just because you dont
flat haven
Blizzard did some interview on it
near mirage
Quadzzz not anymore, in theory they changed it yesterday.
grave notch
people play for different reasons you don't have to agree but respect them
near mirage
now it shows actual live population.
flat haven
Hmm
near mirage
so full is full, queue. high is "almost to queue".
whole swan
Fun is subjective. Theres probably some maniacs who find queues fun doesnt mean I will
grave notch
idk
whole swan
Majority play pvp realms also
rugged zenith
The algoryhm got foked because other realm is 1000x bigger than the next realm.
grave notch
it's actualyl a really really good feeling when you finally get in
flat haven
Have you tried tried it yet @near mirage
near mirage
yes.
rugged zenith
Which cause "max" server to shwon as "med/high"
near mirage
it did work as stated.
rugged zenith
Now it's fixed
near mirage
high pop realms I logged in straight away. Full ones had queues.
grave notch
Eu has large majority pvp servers
near mirage
pearl dagger
i like how the que number goes down at the same rate as the timer goes up 🙂
rugged zenith
Math, Pepega
near mirage
servers are currently down for maintenance.
rugged zenith
should be up in 15min or smth
pearl dagger
im on eu last night was like thanos snapped the people after reset
young latch
everywhere
rugged zenith
dead server omegalul
whole swan
You play pve
rugged zenith
imagine playing in server that have no queue time.
whole swan
What do you expect
flat haven
Ah, that's nice. Thank you @near mirage
near mirage
Np =) It's about time they did change that random flag to something actually meaningful.
whole swan
Imagine just wanting to enjoy the game. And on release originally they only gave 3 pvp realms
Dunno how they didnt expect the hype
near mirage
I'm pretty sure they wanted to avoid the "open 100 servers because people cry for queues day 1.. next week they're all dead"
cold moth
how long can you afk before you get forced to character screen, and then into DCing?
young latch
imagine wanting to enjoy the game but only enjoying pvp in a like 80% pve focused game with a massive grind
rugged zenith
NA serer is up 😄
whole swan
What are you even talking about. The pvp servers will shit on pve servers for pve. Like they always have
You just assume pvp realm people will only pvp? Wut
turbid canyon
Any balance druids in here?
young latch
by what metrics
whole swan
Will be more guilds for sure
young latch
@karmic juniper is a balance druid in classic
rugged zenith
@karmic juniper my man
let's play scuffed spec together, and get benched eternally 😄
turbid canyon
I play ret pally
fierce herald
should have just done a million and one layers and just been upfront about how they would aggressively merge and close layers as people got close to 60
near mirage
Faerlina and Herod are the fastest to High load, everything else is low, some medium =P
whole swan
Meme specs will be fine you just wont get a y gear ever
grave notch
why is this even an argument, don't want to pvp? no one is forcing you it's why there are normal realms. but a lot of people do want to have world pvp on. no need to shit negativity on people that do find it fun. how dare people find something fun that you don't. almost as if fun is subjective
whole swan
Never gonna get cloth gear ahead of Mages and stuff and pally wont get warrior gear
fierce herald
World PVP is like, fundamental to the classic experience
there where no BGs for the longest time, open world PVP was all there was
near mirage
Confirm that Faerlina just hit full, queue kicked in.
whole swan
If your not 60 by phase 2 on a pvp server your gonna have a bad time
fierce herald
(and even then BGS you had to go talk to a battle master in a city to queue lol)
whole swan
When people gank 50+ zones
rugged zenith
There's dungeon, you can grind that shit
grave notch
do we know when approximately phase 2 will be?
fierce herald
phase 2? surely honor is more likely to dissuade people from ganking
rugged zenith
3 month, probably
fierce herald
even blizz said they dont know about phase times
whole swan
Ye like 3 months
fierce herald
they have rough ideas but will play it by ear
rugged zenith
When next big patch on BFA comes, 8.3?
fierce herald
or eye...
whole swan
And best way to farm is to like camp flight paths
fierce herald
isnt 8.2.5 due first?
grave notch
i would expect phase 2 to be somewhere between 8.3 and the next content release of retail, that's a pretty large gap though
they're probably playing it by ear and watching how many people get 60
at what times
etc
fierce herald
Was gonna say I think it will be longer for phase 2, but just checked and its just the new dungeons and honor mostly
whole swan
They need to sort layering first though cause they said they want it sorted down to 1 later fo phase 2
fierce herald
might be 4/5 months though depending on how the real community levels
whole swan
Phase 2 is dire maul and honor only right
fierce herald
like, all very well streamers all being lvl 20-30, I took time of work and practiced routes, and im only lvl 12 because ive only had 5 hours where I wasnt in a queue
very laggy, over filled, fun as fuck launch 5 hours, but still 😛
Dire Maul is why it will get delayed if anything, lots of very good gear in there that can effect MC progression
grave notch
MC "progression"
whole swan
Mc should be over super fast even without it
fierce herald
again... for normal people...
whole swan
Shouldn't put up a challenge. Its literally waiting to get 30 lvl 60s
near mirage
about 12 here too, but I spent a day fixing my addons and watching the herd of cows mow over Mulgore, before starting to play =P lol.
fierce herald
not for the streamers, or the private server crowd
grave notch
even normal people are still better at game than people back then though right?
whole swan
Even normal people who farm pre raid bis and shit it will fall over
fierce herald
... preraid BIS ... consumables ... 40 lvl 60s ... attunement ...
whole swan
Dont even need that on everyone
grave notch
the attunement is like nothing
fierce herald
Streamers and private servers are very different from the normal player base
whole swan
You need a couple or people to farm the rep that's it
grave notch
people are overestimating it
whole swan
If you can clear heroic in retail you can beat mc easily
fierce herald
the, avoided playing on private servers for 15 years, have a fulltime job with no holiday for wow launch, just want to take their time and enjoy the leveling, playerbase
whole swan
Wont even be a challenge
fierce herald
its not about difficulty. Its about being prepared, and being prepared takes time, and not only do many people not have anywhere LIKE as much time as most people do, they also dont want to rush
Some people are probably not even lvl 1 yet. Queues.
whole swan
Sure they dont. But in a months time there should be quite alot of 60s
fierce herald
Again. Dissagree
whole swan
Nobody that is gonna play casually like you said is even considered for the week 1 or 2 clear
fierce herald
there will be a few lvl 60s, not tonnes.
knotty hornet
hey guys, is druid viable in classic?
fierce herald
LOL no
knotty hornet
:c
whole swan
People are already 40+ idk how you expect none in a few days
grave notch
there'll definitely be some 60s very soon
whole swan
Yeah Peter they are fine. Viable isnt optimal though
fierce herald
world record is 4 days 20 hours, I wouldnt be that supprised if that record is beaten but I doubt it will by a lot, especially considering all the lag. Queues on top and the need for sleep even for the most hard core? A 'few' by day 3 or 4?
knotty hornet
ive heard they are preety bad, something as "jack of all trades but master at none"
grave notch
not everyone is lagging
whole swan
They dont even get the queue because they never log
grave notch
^
fierce herald
A 'few' people, wont have been hit by any queues, will beat the current leveling world record, and wont sleep for 3 to 4 days straight?
whole swan
4 hours 20 could be beat by dungeon grinders even if there was no server problems
fierce herald
I dont see it.
grave notch
underestimating people, overestimating MC
fierce herald
That the guy on Mograine?
young latch
why wont someone be able to stay awake for 3 or 4 days straight
whole swan
Dunno I saw his stream
young latch
its not that diffuicult
grave notch
drugs are bad mmkay
whole swan
You dont even need to not sleep. They are using keyboard macro to not log
And napping for couple hours
fierce herald
I think it might be, guys been going nuts, didnt sleep for the first 30 hours hit like 36 before he went offline
What is the Joana timeline for leveling
like, how long /played to 30
whole swan
4 days 20 hour
pearl dagger
you need atument on one or get a warlock with some people camp the gate until someone opens it
fierce herald
thats to 60. lol
whole swan
You mean from his current level to 60? Not sure but hes pulling ahead so shouldn't have any competition for anything
fierce herald
tbf I dont think attunement is too big an issue for a fully organised group, as long as everyone is 100% prepared out the ass cheeks then they go in through the long way and smash home
pearl dagger
as for consumables they are not necesary at a 100% if people know what they are doing
whole swan
That guide people made for grinding dungeons worked out to around 100 hours
If they ran into no problems
fierce herald
nono, I mean how long it takes him in his speed run to hit lvl 30, so we can compare to current progress, looking now
Seryns group is going for world first running a 4 mage 1 priest dungeon group, lvl 32 last I checked a coupple hours ago
whole swan
Atonement isnt difficult or anything. The try hard guilds will just have a couple guys going for rep while they smash out dungeons for some gear
Did they switch a warrior in now ?
whole swan
Or is it another group. The one on method stream were 38 farming sm
With warrior instead of the caster they stayed with
fierce herald
by my count Janas world record took about 24 hours to hit lvl 32
very crude counting of video lengths but still
whole swan
I mean even if the guy comes close on a retail launch with massive population, queues and dcs
fierce herald
and these are the fastest people in the world, so I think im sticking to my prediction, people might beat it, but not by much
whole swan
then its pretty amazing cause joana did it on empty server or whatever
whole swan
Originally i thought some priv server guild would get it week 1
But cause of queues im not sure on that now, week 2 100% though
fierce herald
Also I think SOME consumables are necessary, no real way of knowing because of the numbers differences, but wow is ultimately a game more about numbers than mechanics, and those numbers are often tight on retail
whole swan
Elixirs and stuff aint hard to farm though
Dont think anyone would flask, maybe the main tank but thats it if someone could manage to get recipe or whatever
fierce herald
will be solidly impressed if a group even partially clears MC first week, going to take skill and such a lack of life that the doctor should get worried
yeah tanks will probably need some stuff
DPS... if you're taking an optimal group... maybe you need less
whole swan
Blizz need to sort this shit man, Go into SW/IF into random buildings theres people hiding in them auto jumping -_-
fierce herald
I mean these groups, they've worked out exact 40 man comps with specs and all
sadness lol
whole swan
Wont even use 40 i dont think
fierce herald
still 2k in queue for me
whole swan
Will take whatever they can manage to get to 60 in time
Molten core can probably be 20 manned by the better guilds as to speed up gearing for next raids
Blizz fixed onyxia hearthing though so that wont work
grave notch
yeah i've heard about 20 manning it
polar vine
lmfao my lil brother watching sodapoppin stream feral in a dungeon so god damn boring
energy regen rate is ass
fierce herald
energy regen in classic is bad lol, hence why the entire optimal build is about scraping as much bonus energy as possible
lvl 40 helmet BIS even in TBC
¯_(ツ)_/¯
knotty hornet
from what i can read i see druid is not any good in classic
thats bad :/
its my main since 2012 ;-;
fierce herald
Just play it lol, I am
knotty hornet
and how does it feel? D:
whole swan
Just play warrior if you want to be the best
But know you will have so much competition
knotty hornet
hahah
whole swan
i mean you say "not any good", It wont be top of dps thats for sure
fierce herald
If you're not going for a hyper try hard early raid clear, you will be fine, there is a lot to learn with feral though, so make sure you know your stuff
whole swan
It can heal perfectly fine, tank fine ( outside of a few bosses because of mechanics )
knotty hornet
i dont want to be top dps
whole swan
Middle of the pack dps as feral
knotty hornet
i just want to have fun
whole swan
Idk boomy, i just think u run out of mana
fierce herald
Not 'hard' just things you do need to make sure you know about that are not that obviouse
whole swan
If every guild went super optimal it would be like 1 druid, 20+ warriors etc
knotty hornet
and boomkin?
whole swan
But thats not gonna happen
fierce herald
And if you want to top dps meters you farm as many MCPs as you can carry between every raid night
Also feral is more viable alliance side with paladin buffs
Aka, who the fuck wants to play as a cow
knotty hornet
XDDD
whole swan
Im not sure for boomkin but i think you need to farm a shit load of mana pots/dark runes
So you dont run out of mana, but even then your dps wont be anything special, probably even lower the middle of pack
covert rover
what paladin buff makes feral more viable?
fierce herald
Boomy doesn't get much or any cleave in classic right?
covert rover
kings?
whole swan
blessing of kings
covert rover
that buffs everybody
vapid sparrow
So like starfall in retail? Lul
fierce herald
BOK
dense bronze
You won't top meters (unless you roll with shit dps) @fierce herald
MCP and helm just makes it "ok"
covert rover
doesn't mean anything for feral in particular?
whole swan
Horde gets windfury which does nothing for feral
Ally gets kings which does work, so think thats his point? Not sure
covert rover
yeah. .but doesn't really make feral more viable
fierce herald
It's not about what you play with, it's who you play with. Play with shit players, get top dps, easy
covert rover
it just means they get a bit more dps on that side compared to horde side
but they're still behind those they're surrounded by
fierce herald
Yeah.. While on hord they have... Windfury... Which doesn't work in shapreshift.... Great
covert rover
the margen is far bigger in vanilla than live
fierce herald
So yeah, better on alliance.
covert rover
live we whine a lot about 30% diff between top/bottom
whole swan
Content isnt even that difficult for it to really matter, It will get steamrolled to no shock of people
fierce herald
Main point is on classic it doesn't matter. Guys got 40 slots to fill. Got your consumables for the raid? Grats you're in.
dense bronze
That highly depends on the guild
whole swan
Even if pop stays a fraction of what it is now, shouldnt be a problem to find a guild
Wont be shocked to see MC pugged even
covert rover
yeah.. i just don't want people to have too much illusion about their dps
a lot care about that
dense bronze
Of course it will be pugged
whole swan
Then they should roll warrior if they care that much
covert rover
and if you're that shitty player that need fotm to even be midpack and your ego rely on it
whole swan
To top meters
covert rover
then you're going to have a bad time rolling feral dps in vanilla
fierce herald
Ferals time will come.
whole swan
Why does it have to be #1 though for its time
covert rover
feral is nice on retail
whole swan
Like, play the game and turn up for raids and be active. You will find a spot in a guild
covert rover
shift - i don't care
fierce herald
When we hit 4hm at the very end of the expansion. Who you gonna call, feral dps tank hybrid, that's who.
whole swan
Thats just when you poach all the warriors from other guilds
covert rover
because not all have that mindset
whole swan
Who are already geared
covert rover
and if you've spent 250 hours getting to 60
then you would prefer liking that part of the game
not like you reroll overnight
whole swan
Sure but thats why i tell people in here when they ask
Druid is viable, its not optimal
fierce herald
lol I plan on playing in a 'casual' guild, just want to clear shit before next tier is out each time
whole swan
If they wanna be the best, pick warrior and dont worry about being average on ther druid
fierce herald
Don't think a guild like that will be poaching gears tanks
fierce herald
Pick warrior and set yourself in for 40 levels of pain before it gets better lol
dense bronze
You need 1
next rock
When does Druid become easier?
fierce herald
Masaybe 2 although I can't remember why now
whole swan
When you get cat form
young latch
easier @next rock
next rock
soooon
fierce herald
20
young latch
??
whole swan
Then you get 30% speed fast after that
young latch
what do you meann exactly
dense bronze
But no real harm in bringing a few resto
next rock
Do i have to weave in auto attacks?
young latch
yes
polar vine
10-20 you use bear form
next rock
ah
fierce herald
20 get catform and feline swiftness, 21 get second point in swiftness, 22 ger feral charge
polar vine
20-60 you use cat form
whole swan
Soon as you ge your bear* form, youll have no real downtime cause you can kill stuff in bear, hop out and heal and ur gonna be full mana from regen when u need it again
young latch
beam form
fierce herald
Rest ain't bad tbf, people just tunnel vision over certain picks like holy paly
remote lance
Beam form is fine
fierce herald
If I could, I would join an all druid guild, if there was a good one actually doing raids, just for classic lol
covert rover
hearts - you have it super easy even in casterform
try a warrior
they die all the fucking way to even lvl mobs
if they pull a secondary mob they're dead for sure
which you survive plenty fine
but yeah. .lvl 20 is where it gets fun
whole swan
Even that its not that bad now, if you stand and face tank the mob its dumb
covert rover
having caster form is boring
whole swan
You just strafe fight them now and take so much less damage
fierce herald
Seeing some warriors level as prot, or atleast with a shield, semi successfully
whole swan
Dont even think im gonna be able to play, got 2 hours till raid so i have to reset queue 😄
6 hours gone rip
whole swan
Well if they fixed people afking with macros wouldnt be so bad
fierce herald
1500 in queue after 5 hours myself. Before you go to sleep you should just log off, try to log back on, by the time you're back up the queue will be done
whole swan
But ive been able to go out do stuff, come home and it hardly moved compared to other day
covert rover
think my warrior levels as prot actually
but he's going with others
well.. protish
not like you have as clearly defined specs back then
shift - ouch to that queue <.<
fierce herald
It's nice to be a druid again tbh. Been too long that I've just been a "feral"
whole swan
Started like 12k @ 11am
And im at 3500 now
Friend said he just signed on and has 19k queue, so yeah
Fun fun
jolly cradle
Can you 10man RFC?
covert rover
isn't it 5-man?
jolly cradle
idk I'm hearing mixed answers
fierce herald
What servers ya'll on
whole swan
Dungeons you could take 10, like deadmines and shit
jolly cradle
I'm on Mograine
whole swan
But theres no point
covert rover
valid - noggenfogger
fierce herald
Eyyy morgraine too
covert rover
left mograine.. was our backup server
jolly cradle
have a guild if ya wanna join
covert rover
but it's super full
fierce herald
Considered switching to Nogg or ashbringer but gonna just stick here
whole swan
How long do you think the first major drop off is gonna be
Cause atm its just getting worse
fierce herald
Queues are lower but takin way longer
whole swan
I dont even know how blizz can stop the people hiding in city with macro
Other then people reporting
But even then, theres so many doing it
rugged zenith
auto attack dealing half of damage of life tapping warlock
covert rover
also we have one big issue
we don't know how many times the population number blizzard have put into layers
we don't know what they believe to be the dropoff
maybe there will be 3 times more when layers needs to fall
and queues will spike to double
whole swan
😦
covert rover
🙂
whole swan
School starts again for kids soon at least
covert rover
it's entirely possible actually
whole swan
So hoping numbers drop a bit
covert rover
i wish we knew the numbers
fierce herald
5k a server or layer maybe
jolly cradle
carrying dps so hard 
rugged zenith
i really think atleast quarter of people will stop playing half way phase 1
and another spike on phase 2
fierce herald
Smaller Spike on phase 2
rugged zenith
Just get good internet and pc, and never log out 😄
whole swan
Originally i thought like 90% of people who made a char would stop
But idk, even alot of friends that were just gonna play to test on day 1 havent stopped and are really enjoying it. They are the kind of people i thought wouldnt care for it
rugged zenith
dude, i thought i would do stuff for like few hours after i am done with doing stuff on retail... i ended up just paying 2nd sub so i can multibox
It's oddly addictive
whole swan
Zokis the servers that have 0 queue, they are all RP / Pve ?
whole swan
Dreadmist, hydraxian, netheragarde, skullfalme and ten storms? i dont recognise them
fierce herald
Hard to burn out on something when you can't even fking play it
whole swan
Did they just open? i never even saw them other day when i looked
covert rover
hydraxian waterlords is the pure rp server
fierce herald
Skull flame is a shitshow
covert rover
i was pussled too
whole swan
I know noggenfogger just opened and that has 5k queue..
whole swan
Estimated wait time - 1010 minutes
flat haven
Ten storms was added
grave notch
ashbrigner was added yesterday and it had queues as good as instantly
covert rover
yeah. .noggenfogger opened day after launch
and my guys moved there
noggenfogger went to high in 10 mins 🙂
grave notch
flat haven
I love classic
grave notch
👌🏻
flat haven
I cant wait to get home at 4 and sit in queue for 4 hours
fierce herald
Realm?
vague iris
had the stupid to log out to install an addon..4 hour queue
fierce herald
Eyy so many morgraine peeps
whole swan
Position in queue: 3341 , Estimated time: 104 min. Yeah sure
flat haven
Mine was 2 hours at 9 am on stalagg yesterday
grave notch
you have time when u log out to update addons to keep your spot
rugged zenith
don't log out, just launch the game again from the Bnet
grave notch
i've done it loads of times
whole swan
Do they just randomly estimate the time, cause it never makes sense
grave notch
u need to do it all instantly to be safe
fierce herald
5 mins I think but it's been acting up
flat haven
I got dc'd yesterday doing WC and I almost cried because I thought id have to wait in queue
fierce herald
Like asmon got dcd and didnt get his 5 min relog grace
rugged zenith
3 gold profit on 1st day selling stuff on AH. ez money.
flat haven
Yeah so he sat for 4 hours
whole swan
Other morning we had people waiting forever to get on. They get on and server restart warning appears instantly 😄
fierce herald
My selling game is poor rn, got like 60s by lvl 12
fierce herald
Hard to know what sells, there was no market when I was on
whole swan
Just skip all the crap you dont need
flat haven
Ye
whole swan
Skip wrath, starfire all that crap
fierce herald
When I listed by linen, there was a single other listing for 1, sold a bunch for 1s each
covert rover
even though they logged in about instantly
grave notch
I'm selling all my cloths on AH atm
covert rover
i sell everything
grave notch
nearly 1g
covert rover
too costly to mail
celest pagoda
any noggenfogger cats around?
whole swan
Lucky guys who get 60 fast with skinning, farm up as much devilsaur leather as they can
fierce herald
theres things I know are valuable like crawler meat but I dont know when people will start needing it or how much it will be worth at a fresh launch when people are skint
covert rover
indeed.. i don't have bagspace enough to worry about that
celest pagoda
im <1min in queue... exciiiited - got raid soon tho... sadness
covert rover
i just sell it now
rugged zenith
Buy drinks
Didn't use drinks because "i can just wait the mana to regen, i'll just wait it"
pepega
whole swan
Cant you make like 40 raw gold per hour farming mara?