just because it's fun to see how far a lot of these crowd will need to go before they realize they're the most toxic bunch
#classic
remote lance
dense bronze
I think you misunderstood me WoLf
near mirage
It's possible, apologies if so =(
I thought you meant that removing the Addons data channels, we could use chat channels to send the data instead.
dense bronze
Anyway I'm not overly worried about this, I rather wait and see how they plan on stopping it and with that be able to see the full consequence of this change before I get upset
near mirage
yeah.
near mirage
on a different note, I'm trying to remember the name of the quickbar addon I used in vanilla.. and it's escaping me.. I remember I could click the latency bar and it'd switch the right side from quickbar to the bags and menu default interface. https://i.imgur.com/U71siHD.jpg the only screenshot I have left with UI showing.
Does anyone remember it?
near mirage
I'm looking forward to the day/night cycle again =)
near mirage
swiping salmons from a river. should be a thing =P
polar vine
the day night cycle in barrens was to my 14 year old self the best visual experience in wow
near mirage
in case anyone else was interested, I found which quickbar addon it was.. Part of the Cosmos addon collection (I miss that client). PopBar
someone did try to update it to pandaria but abandoned again. I guess I'll stick to Bartender and deal with the nostalgia somehow else =P lol.
dense bronze
Male nelf hunter 
remote lance
male NE only druid. ignoring all the made-up stuff blizzard did to fit others in
jajajajajaja
polar vine
near mirage
nelf druid was the first character I ever rolled in WoW. =P came back as a Tauren later and the horny kitty stuck forever after =P
even tho our classic model was.. anorexic to say the least. =P
limber hollow
Tauren were the first druids!
At least until this was retconned in Chronicles III...
limber hollow
WoW Classic (vanilla) established that the Tauren were first, and that they lost the art over time. Malfurian taught Hamuul to be the first Tauren druid in several thousand years, but not the first ever
polar vine
ah
near mirage
While leveling, and all about comfort more than minmaxing.. Would you prefer casting Wrath faster for pulling stuff from further away (maybe wrath, moonfire, wrath, go cat)? or a "MAYBE I can run away" once in a while button like Nature's Grasp?
pondering which way to go to get to OoC =P
whole swan
you playing pvp server?
near mirage
PvE
whole swan
Not sure cause i never played pve, but if it was pvp i would have said 100% natures grasp
covert rover
you get castable root though
can't remember which lvl.. but no reason to have offchance for roots while being hit when you ust can cast and run
you're also really fast if you have the 30 speed
whole swan
Isnt it 100% chance to root someone when they hit you when you use it? And its not worth the time trying to cast it or anything if your gonna get ganked on pvp
Its well worth popping NG and just running away
covert rover
hum hum. .i honestly can't remember
near mirage
35% base, +4 improved for "increase by 65%"
whole swan
I never go for omen before going deep into feral anyways, never really thought about it much but always took NG
Dont even think i train wrath as a spell, was waste of money
covert rover
aye
near mirage
so you go full cat never cast?
whole swan
Yeah, not worth if
You have no downtime pretty much
Kill stuff, jump out heal, kill stuff back in cat and by time you need healing you have regenned full mana
And i would never level as boomy so no need to cast
near mirage
I remember having to root and pull from away.. but it might be a case of just me having bad gear in too high place.
for groups of mobs
whole swan
Dunno could be depending what kinda zone you are levelling in compared to your level
near mirage
yeah.
could be worth staying longer in a zone for speed of killing.
instead of moving on to stay at level.
whole swan
Depends how bad layers are gonna be
near mirage
true
whole swan
If they contain alot of people, some quests you just wont be able to complete
I can see why alot of people are gonna dungeon grind
lone vigil
lol, wow... the best bear weapon for a year is a world drop epic, oh boy
granted it's legit only decent for bears so probably not TOO expensive at the end of the day, but lol
one of those fun things though once you get one you're set
whole swan
Dont worry you can farm gnomeregan many times to keep getting MCP
Dont think warden staff would be that expensive if you are aiming for one compared to some other boes
silk fable
wanna hear something funny? so im a druid main for all my history in wow, but with this classic release i planned on switching on a fotm spec for once (since druid, especially feral wasnt fotm for ages) so i planned on playing a rogue.. i played it in beta and it didnt feel right, so i rethought... then it came to mage and now i was thinking man mage is amazing i can solo farm stuff and so on
but now classic is 2 days away and im really unhappy with that descision
so i just decided, fuck it ill play the coolest class 🤷
lone vigil
I just want to be able to do everything even if it's not excellent at any of them
covert rover
Shir- I actually took fotm name on a server
And would play feral kitty with it
But ended up deleting it
I can’t decide which stupid name to use but would like one you can pronounce properly at least
near mirage
I'm just going with Wolf as retail.
covert rover
which fits kinda with firemaw >.>
it's defo stupid enough
it will be such a cool name if they expand it to cata - firelands nod nod
near mirage
Oh no. farming fandral's again and have to argue to get it.. please don't make me remember that.
covert rover
fandrals never dropped for us
not once
trust me i were a mad cat
i would have gotten it if it had dropped though
we didn't really have loot fights
near mirage
It dropped once. I had to almost literally fight the hunter -.-
covert rover
lol
near mirage
so much squeeing ensued when it got ruled to me. I kept it in my bags switching at first attack for a LONG long time.
proper siren
@covert rover tauren feral druid named Moofasa
covert rover
that is pretty good for a tauren indeed
near mirage
Oh. will they bring back accidental PvP flagging too?
either healing or attacking a flagged character wouldn't ask for confirmation and just turn your pvp on, back then.. the RP thing made me think of that.
since I could flag for pvp and hide between some pack of wolves. lol.
cloud stratus
So I plan on running either feral Druid or hunter for a spellcleave group and tho I slightly prefer hunter I ain’t sure if it more risky for the job. Does the feral Druid do more than pull all the mobs to the mages or is they something I am missing? Because from the spellcleave video I have watched they pull then once the blizzard hits the feral Druid job is done so could a hunter pet not do this job ?
little yoke
So, everyone seems to be shitting on classic Feral on all the wowhead guides etc.
Is it as bad as they say? I really wanna play feral, and I don't care for some tier lists
young latch
Depends do you have a guaranteed spot in a guild?
little yoke
I defo got spot, but no clue about how vanilla is related to skill, I am a Cutting Edge player, so I guess I shouldn't have issue doing things the right way
but in classic from what I can see its more about class then skill
young latch
If you have a 100% spot in a guild then feral will be fine
As long as they understand that feral isn't going to be top dps and you understand that too
Then your good
You will do 40% of the dps of a warrior or rogue on a good day
little yoke
That sounds insanely... unrewarding?
But don't I bring like aspect of the pack, faerie fire etc.?
Is not that worth it, or can resto do it too?
it sounds like its fun to have at least one of the ferals
lone vigil
You don't use faerie fire in raids
Warriors sunder for threat
I mean a single feral helps make warriors and rogues look better, but it's not any better than another warrior
little yoke
So, feral is pretty much dead spec with no uniqueness
I assume
And how come you don't fearie fire in raid?
Nvm, just read, so Sunder is basically better Faerie fire.
😄
young latch
Yes
remote lance
are they even mutually exclusive? I don't remember
but if they aren't there's no conflict
little yoke
You have limit on the debuffs don't you?
young latch
Yes
16
#nochanges
Btw I feel #nochanges is dumb but all will be revealed in a couple days
I'm excited for the memes and dumb classic ppl
remote lance
sure, so it really depends on how much it boost by
Sunder, FF, and CoR are all pretty good physical dps boosters
but you don't need a feral to apply FF. I don't even think you can apply FF in form back then
little yoke
You have faerie fire that can be applied out of and in form it seems
remote lance
i know there's FFF, but I don't remember if that was a vanilla or TBC thing
little yoke
Either way, I was excited for Feral druid, but now I am confuse
I thought it might be somewhat useful, but it just seems unrewarding
dense bronze
FF and Sunder stack, but there is no reason to use the feral version of it
You want both FF and sunder up at all times, which is the reason to always bring at least one druid
remote lance
feral brings nothing unique to the raid. 3% crit via LoTP is not worth over bringing another pure DPS
little yoke
And its neither decent in pvp/pve, so might as well skip it then?
remote lance
if you plan on running flag it's good
otherwise there's nothing really niche about feral
dense bronze
If you care about doing good DPS and being the best that you can be you probably should avoid feral
A feral player who invest a lot of time and commitment can be "up there" but you will never be top dps (unless your other dps are bad), and you will always just be a worse rogue that require 3 times the effort
If you don't care about this and your guild is fine with it just play whatever you want
remote lance
tauren cat form also looks terrible so extra penalty if you're horde
little yoke
Thing is, playing something that doesn't necessarily do anything special, is not fun. I don't really care much about doing top dmg, just that I am taken and can do something useful, but at this rate I feel like I will be deadweight if other people perform at the same level as me
so whats the point
remote lance
that was kind of the point. Your throughput sucks normally and if you go for all the gimmick gearing you'll do ok but still not as well. You don't bring extra utility compared to a resto druid, and you actually have worse MoTW since you would pick Furor over it (or give up another 5 points elsewhere so you can get iMOTW)
so overall it's just not a good spec, but if you like the aesthetic or playstyle or whatever the content is known and easy enough that it's not that big of a deal
if you don't mind sinking gold into respeccing druid is a very good class to have as a flexibility CLASS though
going between off-tanking and healing
one thing about vanilla is that leveling another toon is REALLY annoying, so having the ability to go between roles is not bad
of if you don't mind playing as a true hybrid i guess for saving gold (something like 24/0/27 or 0/30/21) but then you truly will be jack of some trades
dense bronze
Like Avermra said, Druid overall can be a lot of fun in classic, it have a lot of rather unique playstyles that you can enjoy
but respec cost will limit the full potenial by a lot, 50g per respec and no dual spec is punishing
Probably starting to sound like a broken record because I feel like we answer this several times a day now
remote lance
you should put up a pin that nobody will read
lone vigil
Druids were the bard of vanilla wow, jack of all trades but 50-75% of any of them
remote lance
healing is closer, but yeah basically and I think that was the aim. The design philosophy really changed each expansion as far as classes go
young latch
@remote lance can you link me the 0/30/21
I like the sound of being able to heal and tank
remote lance
I can when I get home but it's really straightforward talent choice
That's the one thing I feel people exaggerate about old talent tree
young latch
Yeah 0 choices
remote lance
There's a sense of progress per level but choices were obvious for the most part
young latch
It's ment as a hey that's cool I'm slightly better every level and it's a psychological tho f
remote lance
Think that's why people like Poe's giant passive tree
young latch
That's real choice
And even then ppl follow buolds
I think I will level as cat/Bear mostly and then build into resto once I finish out 30 ish in feral
Mabey gearing wise if I'm going to heal going balance/resto is better?
remote lance
Yeah since you go deeper into resto and have better sustain from balance mana talents
I just like heart of the wild for increased int and stam in bear
obviously you have to shift points around based on what other buffs/debuffs your group can provide
solid sinew
Does anybody have a list of gear that are best to pickup while leveling? Like certain pieces that are worth going out of your way for as they will be BiS for X amount of levels.
gilded anchor
If you're playing feral I've heard that the gnomeragon weapon is bis endgame
Or it's well up there
rancid elm
not necessarily its only BiS cause of the charges which will deplete after 3 uses so no point in going for it while leveling
solar stream
wolfshead helm is a must have
idle plank
@crude laurel boomkin moonkin
astral badge
Yeah you need like.... 16 of them for a raid or something stupid. Its bis sure, but gonna suck to farm
balmy spear
Uh enshencement shaman didn't have 2 1h weapon?:0
young latch
Enh shaman weren't forced into using 2 one handed weps in vanilla
noble forge
You cant use 2 one handed weapons
remote lance
Nothing beats skillful windfury proc off ar or sulf anyway
polar vine
No one realistically farmed the gnomer mace
For repeated use
Every single raid
They saved it for when they got to end boss and had high chance of doing it finally
You simply did not get enough maces unless you farmed professionally in between resets
It also does not make feral dps even close to "competitive"
fluid sigil
thats what u think i'm gonna have BAGS full
i MUST beat @terse parrot in EVERY aspect of feral
mental crystal
vocal vortex
!classic
solar stream
tbh i wouldnt reccomend ppl playing feral till aq
feral doesnt start pulling anything noteworthy till aq
unless you legit worship gnomergan as ur lord and savior
fluid sigil
why do you have a HQ picture of soda as your picture 
fluid sigil
i'm not just gonna fill my bags im gonna fill my bank with them
solar stream
and as a feral most of ur time will be farming wolfshead helm first
fluid sigil
ye i look forward to it
solar stream
and hoping your guild gives u some agi gear instead of the rogue thats topping the meters
whole swan
That's what's nice about bear you dont compete for same gear as dps on the few pieces you would replace in mc
And realistically if your just wanting to play cat you wont end up with any of the good pieces for a long ass time
near mirage
Be the guy that farms food, potions, scrolls for the entire raid, give them a reason why to keep you around =P
proper siren
Strength gives more damage than agility anyways
covert rover
you have about 50 bagslots with big bags
maces are 30 secs.. so you can have about 25 mins use if you just fill that up and nothing else
\o/
i really look forward to see how many that actually use those maces as much as they talk about ehre
near mirage
did engeneers already have a portable mailbox in classic? I don't remember. =P
noble forge
dont believe they did
near mirage
all the mcp you'd mail yourself otherwise.. lol.
silk fable
Agi>strength
Ull use approx 1 mace per boss zokis
Also feral can compete with rogues and warris in the early stages
Check shedo‘s videos if u dont believe 🤷
terse parrot
@fluid sigil i have u beat on retail gonna be a rush to fill bags on classic
fluid sigil
alright it's on
covert rover
XD
And yeah. Ferals gear is easy to get
So it starts ok and gets worse when others get new gear
lone bear
@near mirage just use the vendor bot, vendor some maces so you can unvendor them later in the raid
or was vendor bot added in tbc?
near mirage
Lol =P
merry dune
classic launches this week, no?
astral badge
lone vigil
So, is bear or caster form faster from 10-20
solar stream
for?
bear is most likely faster
due to the increased armor and hp
just pre hot go into like 2 mobs and slowly kill em
noble forge
being in bear still regens your mana
as long as you use your mana / dont cap mana no reason to stay caster
remote lance
Imagine actually playing a full druid where the optimized way is to use all forms
A dream never realized
vivid wolf
I did. That's why I got the game 15 years ago. Yet to see imagination realized.
remote lance
Aye. I'm sure a lot of us started druid wishing to play the way they did in wc3
Too hard to balance for mmos I guess
vivid wolf
I dunno. I've played a game or 2 where they seemed to get it almost right.
Large part has to do with staying on message. The rest is about not letting the customers see the underpinnings of how the game works. I think that's where Blizzard went wrong. Let folks actually put meters on things and suddenly, even if it's only a couple dps less, there's a "better" way to do things outside just gameplay.
noble forge
@remote lance druid of the talon talon form was of questionable use 
remote lance
air is more niche i think
but im not super into WC3 competitive play so i definitely don't know the meta
the most b.net games i played was RoC when mass talon with undispellable cyclone and heroes doing normal damage was completely stupid
noble forge
talons arent really played basically at all anymore and talon form ye was hyper niche
remote lance
its ok baers are the superior race anyway
merry dune
ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
lone vigil
ooof
Our BiS tanking trinket is a BoP enchanting thing?
I guess once I hit 60 I can drop skinning for a bit and get enchanting up
lone vigil
oof, and the other one you need to give up one of the best cat trinkets before phase 3
okay, yeah, there's other cat trinkets close enough
agile basin
Using all the forms to be optimal as a druid is interesting but would need a radical shift in how druids are played. For example you can't be a tank/healer/dps all at the same time, so they would need to move the forms away from being tied to those roles and instead have them function in a very different manner. Something like old EQ bard song weaving. Where abilities are tied to forms and automatically activate those forms, then the form has an effect that lasts a set period of time after you leave it.
So for example with Healers maybe cat form increases your haste or crit, and bear form adds a small absorb or DR to your heal targets. Then have set spells that activate those forms.
For tanks maybe cat form increase your threat and bear form increases your survivability. Then, again, different abilities activate those forms as part of their function.
I think it could have been a more interesting way to design the druid class. However that isn't the path they took. And it's really hard to have a druid use all their forms and not be "the master class" or "the useless class" with the direction they took it outside of niche situations.
lone vigil
But there is a super hybridy spec
It's hotw with 21 points in resto
Especially once we hit aq and some weapons have feral ap and spell power
agile basin
being able to do multiple things is not the same as doing them at the same time. Sure any druid can pop bear/direbear form and taunt if the tank goes down and something is almost dead. But that will never be the plan to have that happen.
If you are a dps/healer using bear form is never the plan. If you are a tank/dps casting a heal is never the plan.
Though, those instances can be great clutch plays, and are the original reason for the hybrid tax in vanilla.
However it will always be non-optimal and the exception that falls under "niche situations" not the normal operating procedure.
lone vigil
Except pvp
agile basin
right, a niche situation in a pve game
analog bridge
any druids in here can answer some classic questions who have played vanilla or private server
im still debating warlock or druid
young latch
@analog bridge what questions? Just ask them here
analog bridge
I play a druid on retail and i really love it. i play mainly balance/resto and i love the fantasy of a druid etc. Im hesitant with classic because i dont want to constantly be respeccing and worried about questing solo at lvl 60 and world pvp since i will be playing on a pvp server, also getting into raids. I know i will be resto and im happy with that but how many people really need a resto druid
young latch
No one really really needs a resto druid but you will be useful and taken to raids
A couple druids at least are nessiccary for raid and you shouldn't have to respect, with a normal resto spec you will be able to quest and PvP at 60
lone vigil
I just am more enamored with bear the more I see it and the insane armor they get
young latch
Bear is good
We are totally viable the crushing blows shit isn't even anywhere near as bad as everyone makes it out to be
lone vigil
do most bears just level enchanting as they level?
yeah, there's too much joy in being able to make my own gear while levelling too much, plus some RP reasons to be a leatherworker
I'll drop skinning at 55 for a bit to get 265 enchanting and drop it for skinning again
main marsh
How long till eu relase?
covert rover
About 14,5 hours for real world
I think they open the new servers six hours earlier though
Not certain on that so might want to lol into it if that is important to you
Look
frigid robin
lone vigil
It's global
We only get it on the 26th by virtue of timezones
Do druids get bear swipe at 16 or 22. I hope 16 for deadmines
silk fable
Regarding to ur question earlier, 10-20 leveling you basically want to wrath >wrath>mf>bearform @lone vigil
As already said, never let ur mana cap
cold moth
It gets much easier with cat form at 20 right? I had fun levelling to 15 though
silk fable
Ur probably not gonna use catform at 20, if u follow the optimal leveling talents
More like 23-24 ish
cold moth
I'm not gonna rush to 60 or anything just level slowly and enjoy stuff
Oh right, I'll look at the optimal talents before tomorrow
silk fable
Yea thing is, u dont wanna put a whole lot of points in furor before hitting 20.
cold moth
is furor the extra energy one?
silk fable
Yup ^^
young latch
@cold moth you playing on our PvP or non PvP server
cold moth
non pvp
young latch
Same
cold moth
I'm gonna be called Soup
young latch
I'll be leveling a called latterstyle
silk fable
Non pvp servers are easy to take your time wholr leveling
young latch
A tauren
cold moth
Going with a friends guild
silk fable
But on a pvp server u wanns be ahead of the pack kinda
cold moth
I have a class at 10:30-2:30 rip
young latch
You alliance?
silk fable
I got the name Feraldruid 
cold moth
Well I played with them in retail where there were about 30 so hopefully close to that
They don't raid in retail anymore and I'm trying to get peopel from my current guild to join
cold moth
Yeah we're just chilling and taking our time
They were veeery casual in retail
I think I might keep raiding in retail but I'll probs get behind with my neck and stuff
young latch
What prog you got in retail right now
As bear is there any specific peices as I'm leveling that I shouldn't bin
honest laurel
any1 got best talents for rdruid
karmic juniper
icyveins/wowhead should have a guide
classic druid discord would too
i don't recommend leveling as resto though
north dew
Is boomy as bad as everyone makes out in vanilla?
karmic juniper
well it doesn't go oom instantly like people think
but yea it's not even close to as good as the best dps specs
you can definitely clear all content as one and still be useful, the biggest problem you'll face is the stigma against boomy
north dew
Cheers for the run down. I’ll stick with it and guilt my friends into taking me along
balmy spear
They did rework the balance ? They just trow vanilla without rework?
remote lance
nobody has a crystal ball to tell you
north dew
Is there a druid classic disc?
near mirage
Just for curiosity.. For those that are going to follow the "burn 15 mcp a night" philosophy, are you planning on enchanting every single one of them? =P
or enchant another weapon and switch to the mcp only for when you really need the extra push just for the use?
north dew
Ah the classic google aye
ancient flax
As somebody who is really undecided what to play in Classic, how viable is druid as a choice?
young latch
near mirage
Number wise... as viable as how many friends you have that will take you to the raids, or your ability to make yourself useful so people will chose you over literally anything else that will perform better.
And you'll have to put a lot of effort in if you want to perform at the level of other classes.
ancient flax
I'm not going super hard, just want to be able to chill out. Enjoy the 1-60 and then be fairly competitive @ 60
near mirage
Enjoying getting to 60: check.
Being competitive (pve?): denied. =P
near mirage
The only thing we're competitive at, is warsong gulch =P
That aside, the class is fun and with some work you can be a valuable asset for a group of friends. Just don't expect easy invites to random raids.
main marsh
I heard the tank druid can be rly rly good and competetive
young latch
it can be
but has a stigma
and will get crushing blowed
but it is viable
its not competative really just viable and has bad publicity just like all druid specs
near mirage
many points to. just "top raiding" is not one of those.
ancient flax
What class would you suggest?
near mirage
melee? ranged? healer? what is your role.
will you play in group or want to solo to 60? there are so many variables in what would be the best choice for you, it's difficult to give a suggestion. Warriors and Rogues will probably be 70% of the population of every server tho.
coarse mica
Does anyone know how the queue will work exactly?
Will there be a queue before char select so I need to guess when I get in about 25 mins before servers open?
near mirage
queues are usually at login server, or at server select.. Not sure if you can be already logged in and waiting, if they'll take the servers down or anything.
coarse mica
Even if they don't, you DC after 30 mins in char select
so if you get through the queue and are on login at like 23:25
you'll dc right before the server opens
near mirage
I'm probably just going to let the crazy herd mow through the starting zones then log in. It's going to be not playable anyway =P
Planning my run from Mulgore to the Valley of Trials, so I can get rep with Org for the wolves. Screw getting kodos. =P
remote lance
Have fun grinding to exalted
near mirage
Yeeeeah. Reason why I want to start from the beginning =P
if I remember correctly the quests give less rep if you do them at a higher level.
it's going to be a lot of cloth to turn in anyway -.-
remote lance
Sounds like a very expensive wolf
near mirage
Wolves are worth it =P
coarse mica
main marsh
anyone using Twtich.app for addons?
is there an option to show me only addons for classic?
harsh agate
vague iris
Considering addons in classic were even more braindead as now...
lone vigil
I have my bartender, atlasloot, I'm trying to find a bag add-on that's up to date
lone vigil
Still torn on if I want leatherworking while levelling or not. Being able to make your own gear is a great feeling, but as a wannabe bear, I need that enchanting trinket
whole swan
You can level enchanting later on, make trinket then unlearn the profession
Dont waste your gold and time on enchanting while levelling. Not worth it at all
lone vigil
that's what I was thinking. Drop skinning around level 55 get enchanting to 265, make my trinket, and then get skinning back
noble forge
my plan is
skinning/mining for leveling
and just drop both if I have gold or just skinning and get engi at max lvl
main marsh
@noble forge which server u on
whole swan
Skinning is alright but people put to much focus into herb/mining and lose levelling speed trying to keep the prof up to date
Its easier to get to 60 and then go back and power level it with mount
lone vigil
I'm honestly just doing lw/skinning cause odds are you'll be able to make some really nice upgrades while levelling
near mirage
herbs and alchemy. Potions for days every 2 minutes in combat.
lone vigil
I'm so looking forward to that thing
I have a question about the Warbear Harness, does it stay so strong just for all the stamina it has over other pieces with more armor?
karmic juniper
it just has decent stats for pre raid gear
lone vigil
except nothing replaces it in Molten Core which feels strange
that said, Bear only replaces 5 pieces in molten core from pre-raid BiS
lone vigil
yeah
karmic juniper
there's also the epic chest you get from a wintergrasp quest
that thing is way better
but very expensive
actually idk if that's a thing in 1st phase
but if it is
that's your pre raid bis pretty sure
remote lance
MC has like just Dark Iron Ring for armor?
near mirage
new servers open in 2 hours, right?
lone vigil
I'm learning about the gear cause I was a pleb in classic and never hit level cap
I'm ready to get my warden staff and never replace it
remote lance
and live in gnomergan because threat also matters
lone vigil
I haven't heard of many threat issues for bear with all their modifiers
whole swan
Because of that mace
But its not hard to farm it, people act like its insane
Takes 15-20min to clear 5 times
near mirage
yes, and then you have to repeat that x 20 times, every time you want to do anything =P
lol
karmic juniper
i honestly don't know how that other chest would beat this one
for pre raid bis
whole swan
You dont go through that many maces
karmic juniper
maybe you can't get this one in phase 1 idk
whole swan
Your not gonna be raiding 7 days a week using 10 on every pull
near mirage
if you see what some of those people are saying, they expect to =P lol.
fluid sigil
goosyFERAL?
whole swan
Yeah but some people have no idea and never even played, they just keep repeating rumors they heard
near mirage
yep.
remote lance
lets see. first of all it wasn't that serious, and second of all what is the expected drop number of clearing it 5 times?
near mirage
The issue is that those people will also be those that rule if you get invited or not, if you're not running with friends. shrugs Expectations based on skewed "actually this is 0.001% better" are going to be annoying.
whole swan
Not aimed at you, it happens non stop in here
and i think you average between 2 and 3
per 5 clears
remote lance
it has a 40% drop rate?
remote lance
then sure it's not too bad
whole swan
Yeah its really not
fluid sigil
karmic juniper
playing without friends in an mmo is complete aids no matter what tbh
idiots will deny you unless you're the best class/spec
near mirage
Truth.
fluid sigil
u can make friends by buffing people in vanilla and /pat as you run by
remote lance
my biggest issue with the whole "classic is better because there's social interaction" proponent is that most of these people are like the anti social people by being antagonistic, especially reflected in their response to people that don't have as much of a hardon for classic
to such a degree that they need "social interaction" forced upon them
whole swan
Mmorpg should have interaction with others though
and in bfa it means nothing
You auto get grouped and more often never see them again
near mirage
I don't remember much social interaction in vanilla, other than /rudeing people that stole your mobs or wouldn't loot beasts for skinning.
whole swan
Maybe cause servers were alot smaller back then
near mirage
lol.
whole swan
but community meant something
remote lance
i really feel like this whole queue system is a consequence of them refusing to merge/connect more servers
at least, one of the factors.
Convenience at the cost of building social network in-game is obviously one
near mirage
but see, it's the same reason why they removed have group will travel. (the summon from guild).. "but my world pvp!" .. then everyone proceded to ignore it anyway.
people think they want others to be forced to interact, then find a way to avoid it themselves.
whole swan
Still think blizz has way underestimated the release hype
Isnt every server full now? And not taking into account people who will resub today
near mirage
Blaumeux is medium, a few high. rest full.
near mirage
rp and rppvp are high.
lone vigil
Skeram is High, and Blaumeux is medium
near mirage
I'm surprised it even got to high for rppvp, to be fair >.>
lone vigil
I'm curious if Old Blanchy will even get to Medium
You have some streamers that went Grobb
near mirage
what a sore mistake it'll be if Blizz will enforce it like at launch =P lol.
lone vigil
enforce what?
near mirage
the rp part
whole swan
Are general chats just your layer? Or all of them
near mirage
you were getting warnings if reported from people for "playing normally"
near mirage
Avermra: oof my back!
covert rover
they better enforce that
was part of it back then
people that don't want rp can fuck off to other servers
remote lance
i went from shadowglen to dolannar like that, it was hilarious
covert rover
i don't play on a rp server there
near mirage
I agree with that Zokis.
lone vigil
I fully plan on reporting non RP names
near mirage
but can you see an entire twitch chat chasing them around being .. well.. idiots.
I think Blizz now will ignore it, and it'll suck for those who actually picked the realm because they DID want to rp.
covert rover
yeah.. i haven't seen them say anything in that regard
my guess is there will come some huge posts on forums about it and they'll go "in hindsight we realize this was part of classic experience so we'll enforce it a bit more"
near mirage
It would make sense. Otherwise the server selection could just be all Normal, toggle warmode and move on. like today.
vague iris
Warmode?
near mirage
I... really wouldn't want to be the poor soul stuck on that job -.-
covert rover
ezzmode
just delete all stupid names that get reported
i'm never going to learn that redacted is getting removed
near mirage
and having to read all the ... questionable.. rp logs being reported in open chats =P
rofl.
remote lance
No stream also part of classic experience right? Atstreamers
covert rover
eu don't have big streamers anyway
lone vigil
Trying to pull 365lbs sumo for the first time. May not get it haha
Needed straps, wasn't pretty, but woo
I sorta wish you could be a kul tiran in classic. Thiccbois like me
abstract ridge
lone vigil
Is swipe 16 or 22?
main marsh
16
serene granite
Being forced to play resto feels badman
sleek shale
you don't really need the resto talents to heal early dungeons
serene granite
Been told the only raid spot for druid is tree. Maybe if I farm tree gear I can give boomie a go, but not getting my hopes up
whole swan
If what people claimed was true every single raid would have like 28 warriors
serene granite
Nah they'd have 20 warriors and 8 mages
whole swan
Theres gonna be so many people playing, if your active and reliable you will get into raids as pretty much any spec im sure of it
Just cant play a meme spec and turn up with 0 prep expecting a full carry
sleek shale
there is no "tree" haha
lone vigil
I'm on BSB. It's the casual server. Idgaf
main marsh
"Q: Will Joana speedrun on !Classic launch?
A: Yes! I will be speed leveling for Classic WoW launch and beyond. I have been full time on Vanilla/Classic WoW (since January of 2018) and im certain I will beat my 4day 20hour time. Auto looting alone will save 5+ hours. There is much faster routes than what was used in the 420 run. I am also more skilled at the game. Classic launch is going to be amazing!"
-5h by auto loot?
LOL
sleek shale
joana can't hold a candle to any pserver nerds lol
whole swan
Will be some dungeon grinding groups that smash it also
Not sure how accurate stuff like that is, but apparently what they are aiming for time wise
main marsh
lol
gleaming mulch
poor people whose vanilla experience will be crushed by private server nerds
remote lance
how dare you
lone vigil
Thus why I bought a token on Saturday night
Made a few more characters
Got a human mage named Budd on Incendius
remote lance
wow forums better fix itself. THat's the most important part of classic experience
mental crystal
as long as barrens chat works im good
remote lance
also true
silk fable
rate my names
covert rover
not enough catnames shir
stole one of my names even wtf is this
tbh i delete most when i've decided what to go with as name
no reason to keep it just to keep it
upbeat knot
You delete the character then make one with the same name
covert rover
XD
yeah. .just grabbed them
two accounts so i can just swap them when i want
in first place i just wanted the names
swapped around a bit ago on firemaw at least
fluid sigil
i logged in on mograine 1 second before it came up
cat was taken
idk how i got yeeted
mental crystal
owned
covert rover
chips - i logged in
and took cat
but
blizzard fucked up the new name cap
:)))
so i had to log out and delete instead
and wait in queue
i still think we play on firemaw
but i want a backup serve that isn't full
.. yet <.<
looks like they hit a fine number of servers by now
with people probably trying to move a bit around after hitting biggest queues
covert rover
yeah.. high pop still
i had to ask people why the fuck people liked that server
i just thought it reminded me of migraine
thought nobody would pick it
obviously i were wrong and apperently a lore noob
median trail
So somebody tell me if this is stupid reasoning or not.
Every raid group wants at least 1 druid right? The first one is valuable enough for their buff?
vague iris
so they pick a heal prob
median trail
So every group that's looking to optimize will take one druid in their healer list.
But as has been established several times over, druid is shit and nobody who wants to join an optimized group should play druid.
So amongst people looking to heal raids, priest will be several times more common than druid right?
stone socket
this all tracks
atomic ivy
Most raids are gonna struggle to consistently fill, i don't think its gonna be an issue =/
median trail
So even though druid has a lot fewer spaces in optimized comps, there will be a lot fewer druids.
restive grotto
Most guilds raids will be 20-30 guildies and fill with pugs
median trail
So as long as druid is considered shit and nobody should play it, resto druids won't struggle for a spot. Because there will be just so few of them compared to the amount of people playing priest.
stone socket
as long as 40 man is a difficult fill, anything could in theory get in
the reasoning that you should play an unpopular class because it's unpopular doesn't really add up though
restive grotto
Getting into raids wont be hard generally you mat struggle finding a spot in dungeons but if you can find 4 friends youll be fine generally
stone socket
play what you like
median trail
Not trying to reason that people should play druid over priest, just that the people who do choose to try to raid with druid won't be as screwed as people think.
restive grotto
If youre trying to pug constantly as a druid youll have issues but thats solved by joining a guild/making friends
median trail
Because as long as it's unpopular, there will be an amount proportional to the niche.
stone socket
I think that in the modern era, people struggle to get 20
40 is so far beyond that - if you know what you're doing, you can almost certainly find something for yourself
regardless of setup
median trail
(Also for the record, not planning on raiding or going resto. Just talking about like, overall trends.)
stone socket
druid is also not going to be unpopular on the whole, the quality of life is high and the levelling experience is pretty good
it just doesn't scale to end game that well
median trail
Valid, but I imagine that most people looking to create optimal comps for raids will focus their class choices on end game.
stone socket
but even right now, beyond the world first race, people of all specs and comps find opportunity
its even more open when your raid size doubles
I think you'll be fine
median trail
And anyone not creating optimal comps isn't going to care in the first place, making the whole point moot.
stone socket
all valid points, I guess we'll see how the social psychology plays out
atomic ivy
individual people are greedy, innervate, and party crit buffs can land you a spot also.
i was a druid that swapped specs in a pretty good guild in vanilla and while not optimal people frinking loved me
median trail
Oh yeah, I definitely don't think most raiders will actually care that much.
devout nebula
does anyone know what time zone Old Blanchy server is in?
median trail
Once people realize how many slots they actually have to fill class balance is gonna seem a hell of a lot less important.
Hell my heroic raid group never even reaches 20 people on retail, we couldn't do mythic without pugging if we tried.
last bison
Yeah i dont envy the classic raid leaders that are gonna Have to regularly wrangle 40 bodies
near mirage
@devout nebula Old Blanchy is on Pacific
https://i.imgur.com/HoLM67i.png they forgot the ™ there >.>
near mirage
eu?
silk fable
yup
near mirage
weird they have two different messages.
it was 2 hours for me too, before it went to Soon.
so.. are they off with the timer? O.o
silk fable
the 30 min kick rule isnt counting for me also
im on character screen for over 40minutes now
near mirage
might be because you're active?
unless you literally just left it there without touching =P then dunnos.
silk fable
u should get kicked even when you're active
i just risked it
and relogged
says soon for me now aswell
near mirage
same hour, up since 9 tho.
silk fable
but too pumped to sleep
main marsh
no point to log in before 11:30
silk fable
tian the 30min kick is not happening right now
covert rover
Usually people start leaving around 5
silk fable
yup
i thought about missing launch but getting up at 4 am
which would be more efficient if you count /played to 60
but fuck it, i wanna get some launch xp
silk fable
LUL
covert rover
Which realm?
covert rover
Not bad
That’s nothing if that keeps up like that
Almost 8000 queue on firemaw currently
:))))
covert rover
Yeah if that’s all it’s npnp
main marsh
i can go q do my shit, and when iam back iam rdy to pump
but more then 1hr
kinda rip
last bison
Damn if that's the q at like 130 pst
What's it gonna be like when people start getting home from work
covert rover
But we’ll see how the queue actually is when people start playing
runic ruin
young latch
How long till it drops
lilac crypt
Hi Everyone. May i ask you a quick Question?
I want to give Classic a try and i want to play a Druid Healer and as there are no multiple Specs i have to go for Damage to level at an fast rate right?
The Question is am i able to heal Dungeons if i go : 14/31/5 Talents? I got that recommendation in a Youtube Video.
young latch
Yes
You can heal dungeons just fine while leveling with 0 talents points spent anywhwre
Then just respec at 60
But you don't have to go feral for leveling and it's only faster if you are leveling solo
lilac crypt
Ok i will most Likely Level Solo, so i think ill be Fine then. I am really excited to play druid for the First Time tomorrow
Thank you already
whole swan
You could level as anything, you just save yourself time / hassle by levelling as feral
main marsh
or make a worlock
autumn knoll
anyone know the queue on whitemane
main marsh
🙂
lilac crypt
I am still thinking wether to go priest or druid heal :x
autumn knoll
@whole swan what server has a 20k queue? 😮
whole swan
One of newer eu ones, firemaw or something
main marsh
i heard shaaz is on 18k q too
whole swan
Shazz was 15k
jade gyro
Is druid worth leveling to 60 in classic? I have heard rdruid is the only viable spec and isn't very in demand end game
Is feral tnak at all good?
lost sail
has anyone mentioned what the current queue is on EU shazzrah?
lost sail
at what time was that?
autumn knoll
whitemane is ~15k right now
fallen yarrow
how much of classic content can be cleared with only-druid raids
young latch
All
fluid sigil
LETS GO
vocal halo
near mirage
https://i.imgur.com/dtyLa6X.jpg Soooooo many cows
main marsh
remote lance
lawl
mint dust
the servers are kinda getting fucked
mental crystal
noone saw it coming
mint dust
i guess thats what i get for wanting to play right at server start
not getting in anymore 
remote lance
faithfully reproducing day 1 experience
mint dust
hearty ermine
hydrax has no que
firemaw has 23500
wait
is that ronda rousey in that vid
it is lol
tight root
OCE is only letting one player in at a time i think!?
hearty ermine
Due to extremely high demand, we’ve established the following new WoW Classic realms in this region:
Stonespine – Normal - EN-EU
Noggenfogger – PvP – EN-EU
another 2 realms..god damn
hearty ermine
athene is playing wow again
wow
he looks like charles manson now lol
did eu classic just go down?
hearty ermine
blame athene 😄
near mirage
if so I missed it.
hearty ermine
imagine the rage if people got put into que's after being knocked off
firemaw eu
remote lance
lel
cosmic vector
remote lance
10 hours, pretty reasonable
hearty ermine
what server
whole swan
Thats probably herod or some US one
exotic veldt
@stuck locust log on
cosmic vector
stalag :/
glacial ember
Grob was supposed to be medium 😮
remote lance
how are the streamers doing
mental crystal
anyone else in 2004
noble forge
I believe in the minute
covert rover
How is shazz queues?
Or did firemaw actually end up biggest?
I’m trying to sleep. For the past four hours but too bloody warm
whole swan
Still not in yet, been in queue since servers came up
covert rover
How big is yours shift. The number in queue?
fallen yarrow
is there pandemic window in classic wow?
covert rover
Oh that’s nothing
remote lance
No
noble forge
im in shaz q
covert rover
One at more than 17000 at firemaw
timber dome
noble forge
shazz is longer than firemaw for me
covert rover
Oh. Single layers can crash?
covert rover
Derp
whole swan
Yeah, friends are horde and said UD starter zone has gone down
A few times
But other races are fine
young latch
Can someone create a toon on the oce pve server and tell me if there's a queue
remote lance
Unlucker
covert rover
My guys crashed at firemaw
remote lance
Undead rogues killing each other
whole swan
Tokens have risen like 71k now >_<
remote lance
Lol
young latch
To 71k or by 71k
young latch
On us or eu
whole swan
EU
remote lance
Pretty good
remote lance
Instant gold flip
cosmic vector
heres my updated queue
whole swan
Its gonna be just as bad tomorrow right when everyone comes on from work and shit
All the people who cant stay up all night like now
near mirage
waited for 30 minutes in queue, to "World server is down" after picking the character. yey =P lol
remote lance
Pretty good recreation of day 1
near mirage
yeah lol =P
remote lance
Just need servers to stabilize and have loot bug
cosmic vector
waiting for the boomers to come in
hearty ermine
well people wanted no changes
cosmic vector
"told you classic was shit"
remote lance
And we will have good day 3 recreation
covert rover
13700 on firemaw
2900 on morgraine
8700 on gehennas
8000 on golemagg
12000 on shazz
CONGRATS ON FIREMAW FOR WINNING THE GAME
remote lance
What are all these bad names
whole swan
Friend has told me main city wont spawn npcs
remote lance
If you have a name like sylvanas you would have 50 million queue
whole swan
Like ironforge/SW
remote lance
Nah that's worldwide
covert rover
excuse me
remote lance
Lol blizzard read
covert rover
they read US forums
they just don't don't do anything than saying "we've read what you say on forums and are blown back by your passion" :)))
other than*
also don't have an OCE account so can't check there
covert rover
nah.. firemaw came in third round
remote lance
Lol
last bison
I feel bad. Must be a real hard problem to handle the crazy hype today but also be ready for the mass exodus in like a week when ppl remember what it was actually like
covert rover
i don't mind it
remote lance
I'm waiting for more forum posts
covert rover
not like i meant to play today
remote lance
This is great
covert rover
i'm trying to sleep. .but can't
a looot of people will stop playing anyway over time
remote lance
Ye I'm just killing time until bed in an hour
covert rover
when people realize it will take them 250+ hours to reach lvl 60
last bison
And then your choices are raid or...start over i guess?
young latch
@covert rover why would you need an oce account
Oce is bq
Na*
It's on the na server list
??????
remote lance
Actually server queue is all a hoax
covert rover
well just one that asked for that. .but yeah.. na
remote lance
They just want to bait people to play bfa while waiting
covert rover
XD
remote lance
Fuck everything makes so much sense now
covert rover
have been considering just making the vanilla one on second account
so i actually can play while waiting
remote lance
Lol
covert rover
on the other hand i can get shit done while being in endless queues 
young latch
No queue on the pve oce server get rekt scrubs
remote lance
Oceanic aren't real people
young latch
Rood
last bison
Seems like a fair trade for needing to be on oce
remote lance
I'm just going to bed early all queue qqs are boring
Whatever if I end up waking up at 4
covert rover
sleep tight o/
come on
mental crystal
hehe same
good times
apparently you can just brute force it to log in eventually
according to friends
covert rover
vrocas - hax
covert rover
sounds more like something crashing and them being super lucky
than them magically bypassing the entire queue
while it's still running
whole swan
Finally finished queue, And login servers are down 😄
covert rover
XD
remote jetty
I found & uploaded the 1.10 WOW leveling guide druid forum sticky that Jaegor wrote. If any of you plan to level druids, this old info might be relevant. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QFfis6ZnflWhr7V_ebUXTQKbv9wpXFp7HpWuG4P9eDk/edit?usp=sharing
coarse mica
ye I got in
covert rover
ah nice XD
congrats on the win
shazz is still 9k queue right now
firemaw still wins with about 11k
cold moth
New oce PvP realm