But molten core, no that isnt "hard"
#classic
whole swan
orchid hedge
not even. rank 14 was a grind and people just account shared
whole swan
Even easier back then because of so many servers
Goodluck getting rank 14 on these realms when theres only 3-4 pvp?
But no, it isnt and wont be hard
orchid hedge
the rotations are so intense though!/s
noble forge
I feel a bunch of people try to get for r14 cause they believe that they just need to farm for a bit 15 hours a day and get it
whole swan
Yep
noble forge
not quite that easy
whole swan
and then realise they are competing against absolute no lifers
noble forge
ye
whole swan
Will be interesting drama though
noble forge
guarantee there will be acc sharing drama
whole swan
On the "big" servers herod/shazzrah
noble forge
cause no way you get it early without acc sharing
whole swan
Cause multiple push groups will fight over it, wont be controlled by 1 like it used to be usually
whole swan
Yeah
but usually you control who gets the rank
more will get it actually with bigger pop
instead of 1-2
whole swan
Its top . % something
So bigger pop gives extra slotss for it
Cant remember exact number
Unless i am remebering it completely wrong, i thought it worked like that
noble forge
you may very well be correct, personally I believed that up to r13 it worked like that and r14 being only highest honor on alliance or horde (so 2 r14 on each server 1 alliance 1 horde) but it may also be top 0.1% or something like that
whole swan
Either way, people really underestimate how hard people can go and play the game
Some people will play near non stop every day in bgs
The ones who get rank 14 will end up putting so time time into it
karmic juniper
there are definitely people who think even molten core and raids in general were harder than mythic raiding
but they're a minority
whole swan
True, Theres also people who think bfa is fun 
proper siren
Cthun was hard.
The hard part was getting 40 people to play well together on a regular basis without drama. And the fact noone knew shit about the game.
remote lance
Cthun was one of the first fights that individual responsibility really stood out since it's closer to multiple 5man groups than a raid
I think these are more fun but are much harder to design
Rank 14 are people that grind nonstop witha group and then quit the game when the entire group are done rotating people
I did that shit to only rank 11 and found it to be awful
karmic juniper
the rank system is horribly designed
remote lance
Wonder how many people did it without account sharing
dense bronze
Bracket stacking was more common
How much time you had to invest highly depended on server and when you did it as well
some servers didn't really have a lot of bracket competition which made the grind fairly easy, this was especially true after they increased how many who could rank in later patches
But yeah, the system could have been designed a lot better than it was
having a PVP system that creates more competition between your own faction than the opposite faction is.. strange..
remote lance
isn't it essentially juts a ladder system of "how much honor can you farm"?
dense bronze
its a bit more complicated than that
remote lance
it just seems like the only difference between that and say, maybe glad, was that its potentially more time oriented than "skill" oriented
dense bronze
for example you can't just say that X amount of honor equals r14
because it depends on the server
remote lance
it definitely depended more on the server
dense bronze
Do you know how the RP system works?
remote lance
what's RP again?
dense bronze
rank points
remote lance
I was under the impression that per server, there is a "quota" on how any Rank X you can have, and then you basically earn the the Rank X based on the amount of honor you have.
of course there is a threshold as well as how many ranks you can improve per reset, so it's not like a person goes from unranked to GM/HWL by being on a dead server in 1 week
dense bronze
You are placed in bracket based on your honor gained vs other players on your own faction, this bracket will determine how much RP you gain per week
RP again determine what rank you will get if any
remote lance
right, that's roughly how i understood it, but I don't think i've seen people jump more than 1 rank past 11 in one reset
dense bronze
Its impossible to get more than 13k RP per week, and you lose 20% each week flat
So theoretically with a perfect gain each week it takes 12 weeks to get max rank (nobody will ever get 13k for 12 weeks straight)
remote lance
yea
dense bronze
This is where bracket stacking comes in, since at the highest bracket you get between 12k and 13k RP
but if everyone in that bracket have the exact same contribution they all get 13k, if you are able to coordinate this it will cut down the amount of hours grinding required by a ton since they don't have to compete (to get highest RP) and that they will rank up faster
The more active the PVP community is the more you have to play to rank up, which ironically makes the winning move to play less
Had it been a fixed amount of honor this wouldn't have been a problem
remote lance
when you say winning move to play less that's more like everyone play less right?
dense bronze
yea
since its based upon gain vs everyone else
if you got the whole faction to agree you could get away with just doing honor farm 1 hour each week 🤷
remote lance
yeah too bad that's not how people work in reality though so you go into a negative competition
which basically leads to lulaccountsharing
dense bronze
Might just be me but seems blizzard have acted more against account sharing recent years than in the past
not impossible to imagine they act against people who overdo it in classic I guess
but beside that I don't think ranking will be a massive problem in later phases once the most hardcore people have already gotten it, still having access to gear and weapon after rank decay was a good change
since now in classic (and later patches in vanilla) all you have to do is to rank up and buy the stuff and after that it doesn't matter what rank you have outside of just showing off
remote lance
yeah pretty much
covert rover
So when is that ama?
Says 7pm
But not the time zone <<
Nvm
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/ct08c7/welcome_to_the_rclassicwow_subreddit_ama_with_the/?st=jzk2h0dk&sh=15c1613f for others as slow as me
static tulip
Feral Bleeds, does Agi increase the damage?
limber hollow
The only winning move for Feral is to Guild Master
I'm only semi joking when i say, you need to be truly alpha to make it work
static tulip
I'm asking for when I'm leveling
dense bronze
You probably won't be fighting long enough for rip to make sense in most fights
rake does not scale as far as I know
vivid wolf
Most guilds will have 1 Feral, I would think. LotP is really only reachable for either Feral Tank or Feral DPS and I can see guilds wanting that buff. Plus, Feral Tank CAN tank almost all bosses in Classic just fine. And Feral DPS CAN be good with the right gear selection and knowledge. Not GREAT, mind, but good.
remote lance
why would guilds want a 5% crit buff for one group
5% crit is like 3% damage at the most for most classes, so let's say you buff 4 other pure classes, you would need to do 88% of their damage to break even. I don't care either way but just being number nerd.
dense bronze
3% crit, not 5
remote lance
5% and the heal is later expansion then, so even worse
dense bronze
yep, 5% is TBC
atomic ivy
Is MCP bis for pvp also? i plan on playing 1/29/21 or something close to that.
Farming that weapon and having to use it forever sounds awful
gritty mural
Wolf shear helm for power shifting too
Which is debatably worse
Constantly having to cheese your energy
atomic ivy
That would be annoying in pve, i don't mind doing it in pvp lol
I think i can get away with healing mc etc as 1/29/21
gritty mural
Yea for sure
atomic ivy
its pretty easy, and ill still have innervate brez decurse
gritty mural
Plus you can dps when oom
atomic ivy
True, so what your telling me is that ill be fine ignoring MCP. 😛
gritty mural
If I was rolling feral I wouldn’t farm that wretched thing
cold moth
If I was rolling cat I'd jsut go rogue, pummeler and helm seem like so much bother
I'm hoping bear or healer though
honest laurel
is resto any good in classic?
shy pond
they're okay i think
dense bronze
If you are going feral and not bothering with MCP in raids why should people bother to bring you?
dense bronze
Same goes for helm and shifting which is even more important, if all this sounds too tedious to you then just play a rogue instead
Even with MCP and helm+shifting feral dps is still behind, but at least they are not too far behind the rest
polar vine
Damn up at 5 30 am
Even the birds telling me to go tf back to sleep but i see some non optimal feral chat
The best thing ever is gonna be the dirty ferals tryna take my leather agi gear
balmy spear
I remember back in time I was like 30lvl druid and still had no helmet xD
hoary ember
how about boomy?
limber hollow
Guild Master Boomy meta^^
noble forge
moonkin is probably quite a bit worse compared to feral
near mirage
Good for a second, then you're out of mana? =P
karmic juniper
the main problem moonkin has isn't really mana
as much as the gear it can get sucks
regardless of which you play, druid dps in general is just worse by a decent amount vs the top dps
not that it matters really, the content is easy
the problem is getting people to be ok with bringing you since they see you doing less damage than others
dense bronze
I mean there is absolutely no gameplay reason to bring a moonkin ever, luckily there are other variables that sometimes count a lot more, like social ones
near mirage
aura....
karmic juniper
well of course yea
dense bronze
Aura is never worth it
karmic juniper
if you're being completely optimal you would never bring druid dps really
moonkin isn't really going to run out of mana though, you downrank starfire so you end the fight with as little mana as possible
people just like to call them oomkins 
dense bronze
The aura is not even close to make up for the dps loss that you get from bringing a moonkin over for example another mage, that is just how it is i'm afraid 🤷
Now if you are fine with being the runt of the litter and the guild also is fine with this there is nothing preventing you from doing it
sometimes the social aspects heavily outweighs any other factor
karmic juniper
if your guild is full of good players who don't mind having a dps druid
it's not going to hold you back
polar vine
Im not sure what it is making people think aura is super good
limber hollow
The assumption that it's raid wide (it's not)
polar vine
If you do 50% of someones dps
near mirage
I'm not sure who said it's super good =P
limber hollow
But really, take charge, make a guild and make the rules, that's how you succeed as a Druid in Classic
karmic juniper
tbh good players probably like having you around just so you can buff their damage
polar vine
WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS MASON
near mirage
just a counterpoint (with many .... since it was a joke) to "absolutely no gameplay reason to bring a moonkin"
lol.
polar vine
@karmic juniper okay dont personally attack me k thx
karmic juniper
i'm just gonna play moonkin with my guild and meme around
and we clear all the content ez
polar vine
Just ignore my pocket buff classes so my meter damage looks exquisite
near mirage
Still better than sitting there spamming buffs with a paladin.
polar vine
🤔
near mirage
for the"having fun" side. I mean.
polar vine
Although with the honor implementation in p2 i want to try the feral bg farm
Ill definitely be 60 geared on my main bu then
Damn dyne i thought you were typing an essay : /
@near mirage i think paladin would be fun considering some classes have to minimize apm and paladins can just spam heal and never go oom
near mirage
As a healer yeah. Ret tho? >.>
polar vine
What is ret?
remote lance
if the definition of fun is playing a piano as part of your rotation, it doesn't exist in vanilla
dense bronze
That is up to you Goosy
Personally (and I want to emphasize that this is my personal opinion) I'm not okey with wasting both my own and 39 others time by purposely playing a suboptimal specialization
Doesn't really matter if its hard or easy content, the more efficient it can be killed the better, is it one thing there isn't enough of in classic its time and I value my time
But we are all different in what we value
remote lance
ret is putting on seal of crusader and autoattack most of the time
polar vine
Wow dyne is a filty eu elitist confirmed
Goosey u can join my group and pad my numbers anytime bb
remote lance
but by being shit dps it increases your kill time which lowers your CD uptime which lowers your dps
karmic juniper
well there's nothing wrong with that dyne
remote lance
IT LOWERS MY BLOODLUST UPTIME IN VANILLA
karmic juniper
i'm not even fully sure if i'm playing moonkin anyway, i just know i'm allowed
polar vine
@remote lance doesnt matter ill filter by dmg done and ignore logic like 90% of people
remote lance
90 is such a generous number, i see you have high hope for humanity
i remember back in the day when healing meter didn't ignore overheal by default, and you have priest spamming PoH on trash and then spam drink
funny days
polar vine
Might i ask what class dyne is rolling in classic
Also, random sidenote. The name "assclapper" is not restricted in classic.
dense bronze
I think more people will be more numbers focused in classic than they were in vanilla, we are used to a lot more and better tools today than we had then
Wouldn't surprise me if someone would create some stupid scoring addon to completely ruin everything 
covert rover
yeah.. people are far less forgiving in lfr for mistakes in encounters that is far more complex than they were in vanilla
and it's not like they will forgot that attitude
polar vine
If you dont vote to kick someone in lfr are you even trying to optimize your time and better yourself
covert rover
i never minded doing lfr
it's a nice way to get moving raid dummies
and people don't pester me
polar vine
Dude i will 100% inform you, in all caps, that you are trash, your dps sucks, your mechanics are horrible, and your dog is ugly. I can gather all this information from the first lfr trash pull because of my high intellect and rapid eye movement.
remote lance
i will be rolling on the floor laughing at forum posts come day 1
why wouldn't you do LFR, getting a raidfinder titanforged 455 coral is 100% more triggering than 455 mythic warforged counterpart
if i have both im definitely using the former
polar vine
I imagine someone with good luck has went from lfr to mythic
remote lance
i just want to complete the progression bars on armory because that obviously matters
being top damage as a tank is also hilarious
covert rover
bear - yeah.. always use the highlvl lfr gear over the mythic gear if they're even lvls
proper siren
Woah. Lfr is for tmogs
limber hollow
^^
remote lance
..........
proper siren
Beardless femdwarves 
mental crystal
239 mill playing classic 
remote lance
No dbm. Only ctra please
tall belfry
I would think its plausible. Classic is like only 5 GB no box price. anyone with a modern potato and 15 bucks a month can play it
torpid inlet
239m playing bfa 
lone vigil
So, I'm excited. I said I wouldn't let myself but I am. I can't stand the vanilla tauren cat so nelf it is
near mirage
Oh come on, you don't like the 1 pixel wide waist when sitting?
gilded pagoda
Hit me with your best builds for classic pretty please
dense bronze
Best builds for doing what?
lone vigil
I'm levelling as feral
after nature's swiftness though, is it better to get Omen of Clarity, or keep going down feral?
dense bronze
Are you planning on healing in dungeons?
if not then why take nature's swiftness?
I'm going to assume you ment feline swiftness, in that case its debatable
Far as I know there is no consensus on what order is the "best", some rush down and some go OoC
lone vigil
I did mean feline haha
I figured some had to, cause OoC and 10% more damage baseline are both great things
As neat as lotp is I'm not sure if it's better sooner
covert rover
I go straight for speed and feral charge on leveling
Not the best dps wise but probably the most fun
Means that you’re speedy cat very shortly after you get cat form
After that I dunno really
Because there’s still a week to. Kinda assuming omen but I have yet to decide
whole swan
Doesn't omen end up being a waste it's way better to go down feral if your aiming for speed?
sand cedar
Is anyone even playing boomkin in classic
torpid inlet
@karmic juniper
remote lance
Speed is definitely most important for leveling as you go from mob to mob for at least until you get travel form
So its fine
crimson junco
Guys, any haste procs/talents reduces gcd?
remote lance
Not in classic afaik
covert rover
yeah.. hence aiming for speed at first.. after i got cat charge there's not more of that
and then it's more about what fits best
slate peak
Does somebody know if the classic wowhead guide for feral DPS is reliable?
I assume so because the live one is too but I want to make sure
torpid inlet
they're written by completely different people
slate peak
Yeah, that meant more as a "they chose a reliable person for one of them so I assume they did the same for the other too" 
last burrow
um, im pretty sure any kind of leveling that isnt deep feral is less than optimal
dense bronze
Assuming you are solo leveling yes
lone vigil
You just have to look at what going OoC gives you
10% flat dps and then pretty good energy refunds to spam more
And Nature's Grasp isn't that bad
lone vigil
in place of 6% crit, extra combo points on crits, 45 AP, and 20% more claw damage
Well the original question is, which one do you do first?
hah, so improved mark of the wild is 5 talents for 4 stat points and 100 armor, RIP those 5 points. No wonder no one wants to be the slave for that
dense bronze
Again, there are no specific consensus about which way you want to go first
that also includes furor, some argue this should be taken early others say it should wait
https://www.bobo-talents.com/?c=druid&t=z_z.z~z-AazCzDzEzFzGAxIA this should be your first priority anyway (assuming you will be a solo leveling cat)
If you end up shifting a lot furor suddenly also have a lot more priority
But you will be most efficient if you can stick to cat as much as possible
lone vigil
indeed
I plan on mostly being cat and tanking/healing dungeons as needed
No real desire to raid 40 man stuff so that's not a concern for me
dense bronze
If you are planning on tanking or healing dungeons (you probably should pick on of them and stick with it) you might want to go for another spec that includes some more bear talents and or resto talents
lone vigil
the bear specific talents in the feral tree don't seem that impactful for levelling content
dense bronze
They aren't, but if you will be aiming to run dungeons a lot they are valuable
feral instict for example will make your tanking life a lot easier
but you will be sacrifcing cat talents for it
lone vigil
doesn't bear get a pretty juicy default threat modifier regardless?
dense bronze
Welllll that depends on what you define as juciy, honestly you should try to figure out what you want before you start
if you aim to tank or heal in dungeons its definitly worth it but then you kind of have to commit to that
is it possible to tank while not having bear talents during leveling? yes, but it will be harder and messier, especially if you end up in a group with dps that is higher level than you
One thing you really want to avoid is respeccing during level, the respec cost go up a lot really fast
lone vigil
I just know the standard hybrid build you give up feline swiftness
median trail
So would it be more reasonable then to level to 60 as Feral and then re-spec to something else? Assuming you wanted to tank or heal that is.
dense bronze
Yes, that is how you should do it
Leveling as anything other than feral will be... painful
unless you plan on grouping the entire way
median trail
Gotcha. I haven't played Classic, before my time, but the only character I plan on making is a druid.
dense bronze
@lone vigil I wouldn't give up feline swiftness for anything, your biggest "stat" while leveling out in the world is run speed
you have 10 levels in cat form before you get travel form
vivid wolf
Thought it was caster, bear, swim, cat, travel? So, 1, 10, 15, 20 and 30? Or am I remembering that wrong. It's been a LOOONG time since I looked.
Ah, you edited. Okay.
dense bronze
Heh I had a moment of brainfart
mixed up bear and cat levels, my bad 
vivid wolf
No worries. Been a long time for all of us. 😼
But I agree. That 10 levels is forever in Classic. Movement speed bonus is REALLY nice.
lone vigil
I do kinda wish cat form came earlier like it does now
vivid wolf
So many folks have no clue just how difficult it will be to gather resources. This includes gold. So much of that will be dumped into skills and spells and hoarding for the eventual mount and buying mats you desperately need and pots and.......
dense bronze
movement speed is one of the reasons why druid can be decently fast to level
vivid wolf
No, it's good the way it was at the beginning. Bear and Swim is quests. The Swim quest is a lotta fun. Get ready to travel the world.
dense bronze
"fun"
vivid wolf
Haha. Okay, I found it fun.
Course, I enjoyed the Warlock class mount quest in Vanilla too.
lone vigil
I wanna be an orc warlock, but my preferred server is gonna be majority alliance
likely 60-70% alliance
vivid wolf
That's not too terrible. You PvP?
vivid wolf
Then it won't matter for you.
dense bronze
Hope you picked a PVE server if you don't like world pvp
lone vigil
it does if at 60 you're basically playing a dead faction
vivid wolf
Remember, the server numbers are basically 3 times as large at the start than they were in Vanilla. So, I don't think you'll have an issue.
And that's for an old completely FULL server.
lone vigil
yes, but Bloodsail is only a medium right now showing 60-70% alliance
dapper stream
What were the numbers in Vanilla... server cap that is?
lone vigil
3k was vanilla cap
dense bronze
I wouldn't worry too much about early faction numbers anyway, most surveys that have been up on discords/reddit don't have a lot of responses per server vs the actual population
vivid wolf
And you'll have people who will never make it to cap too.
dapper stream
ahh, that is pretty low. I remember soooo many problems the first couple weeks on Kel'Thuzad. It was terrible.
lone vigil
so bloodsail might have 5k characters projected at launch. If 3.5k are alliance and 1.5k horde, and most of the horde quit or transfer to grob when those come out. 😄
dense bronze
Oh, but bloodsail is a RP(PVE) server @lone vigil
faction numbers doesn't matter
lone vigil
it does with no cross server dungeons and raids
lunar viper
that feel my retail druid is geared to the tooth and i dont even have the drive to play it anymore with classic dropping.
All that hype for spymasters for what..
vivid wolf
Herm, I dropped Retail 2 months ago after 8.2 released. I just noped out and uninstalled Retail.
dense bronze
I wouldn't worry at all, faction imbalance will only impact PVP
vivid wolf
He said he's worried about dead server at end game. But I think that's a non issue, really.
lunar viper
Yea specter i should of done same, its just not appealing anymore. its nuts.
dense bronze
and I assume you are looking at the reddit survey @lone vigil
it have less than 300 responses, they numbers you see there are useless at the moment
lone vigil
that also concerns me that while I'll be kinda casual, Bloodsail is looking super casual if people on it aren't even on Reddit. :d
😄
dense bronze
I wouldn't worry at all
vivid wolf
Meh, I don't even do Reddit. Lotta folks don't bother with that stuff.
Not everyone is connected 100%. : p
dense bronze
Yep, a lot of people really don't do reddit or discords
vivid wolf
Discord is about all I do. No Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Reddit, etc.
And yes, I do have a phone. But no, I don't play games on it. 😛
dapper stream
So do any of you have some "must have" macros for Classic ?
vivid wolf
That's a good point. Anyone know if they left in the adjustment to prevent complete scripting of macros? Or is it back to the old way? Hard to see them reverting that even with the no changes crowd screaming, since they have always been against macros that played the game for you.
dense bronze
Pretty much the same macro system as you have in retail
Same goes for addons, same as retail with some restrictions
While leveling I would recommend macroing all your damage abilities without rank, that way it will always use the highest rank without you having to manually update it on your bars
Well that goes for really for everything at any level where you don't downrank honestly, but is especially true for abilities in form
fluid sigil
tryna /cast !cat form
lone vigil
a macro to shift to caster form and cast nature's grasp would probably be useful
dapper stream
So I forgot that in Vanilla you cannot shapeshift while in a form... so should I create macros for all forms to cancel form and then cast form? If that makes sense...
grizzled bane
While leveling im going to spend my points mostly in Feral tree. But if im going dungeons, is it still possible to heal when I have 0 Points spend in Resto? Tanking shouldnt be a problem with points in Feral I guess
whole swan
Feral is the tank tree also so it shouldn't be a problem 🤣
But you can heal as full feral just throw some int gear on to help you out
lone vigil
the only thing you're missing while levelling is healing power, but no one has that early
so your heals are pretty much as strong as a resto
grizzled bane
So basicly you can fill any role thats needed in dungeons without beeing forced to play with a specific build?
lone vigil
all Int does in classic is give mana and a little bit of crit
whole swan
For levelling sure
grizzled bane
Okay, thanks for the answers guys! Even if that might has been a dumb question 😅
lofty snow
Is anyone planning to roll balance in classic? I know they were bottom tier according to everything I have read
tardy niche
who's the most famous druid player of alll time?
also i hope you are all ready for some classic moonfire spamming in BGs
prisma jay
Alamo best durid.
tardy niche
he teach me how 2 cat
noble forge
its obviously 
dense bronze
Moonkin aura is not worth it for raids
noble forge
neither SP nor moonkin will prolly be brought in an optimal comp
storm holly
Way back in the day we used to bring a totally garbage moonkin player just for what we called his "Secret Buff" Was afk half the fights but the good palyers like the aura
I think a lot of people are overestimating the difficulty of raids, with modern MMO training MC and probably BWL are going to be cakewalks
karmic juniper
yea the raids will be easy
but some people don't want bad specs in the raid
spriest is worth it for the buff i'm pretty sure
noble forge
you could just have some hybrid disc shadow do it
dense bronze
Shadow is the best of the "bad specs", i'm not entirely sure on the math on how many warlocks you need before its worth it (if at all..)
but at least there is room for 1 with the 16 debuffs limit
dense bronze
But hey, at least shadow is pretty good in PVP
New realms added in each region and removal of 3 character per account limit (will be removed 5 hours before launch):
EU: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-wow-classic-realms-opening-monday-26-august/73013
NA: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-wow-classic-realms-opening-monday-august-26/263309
lone vigil
I'm gonna be making a druid and a warlock for sure
I just can't do tauren cat form so it'll be alliance
and male nelf cause female nelfs are stupid
in vanilla
I like their new models
fallen beacon
Yeah, but male nelfs have that death: huuurrr...HYAHHH
balmy spear
I don't think there shall be so many ppl that moonkin shall be ostracized
lone vigil
There'll always be someone playing every spec
dense bronze
As long as people have the right expectations there is no problem with that
karmic juniper
well it's viable
but a lot worse than other dps
so you might be looked down upon
and it could be harder to find guilds and groups
dense bronze
Worth nothing that you will have to work a lot harder than anyone else to perform
And you should be comfortable with farming gnomeregan every week
astral badge
Wtb any video about classic druid that doesnt use the phrase "jack of all trades, but a master of none"
astral badge
Thank you. I accept that over hearing the same phrase even one more time. Lol.
young latch
literally druids are in classic the jack of all trades and decent at none
tacit dragon
im pretty sure skarm himself is rolling a druid tank to start classic off with. should say something about it at least
kind shoal
My motto is always play druid no matter how bad it is c:
median trail
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Classic raids, at least the earlier ones, balanced so you can have some total deadweights and still do just fine?
polar vine
you a fool if you think people wont be selling the extra slots
34 MC thats 6 slots
people are gonna level, gear, find out how easy 40 man MC is, then start selling
fluid sigil
i think people will be trade chatting the slots
median trail
So I know I know the answer and I'm prepared for disappointment, but doesn't it not matter then if you play a mediocre to trash DPS spec as long as you at least try to be helpful?
tacit dragon
yeah i feel like i heard a clip in a video saying some bwl bosses killed in like a minute and a half or something like that?
kind shoal
That all depends on the market though, if there are enough guilds desperate to fill slots people won't be able to sell slots. Supply & demand yaddayadda
fluid sigil
i think not a lot of the population are gonna max and grind out entry gear
kind shoal
It could go either way
noble forge
Not really
kind shoal
Everything in life is 50-50. c:<
polar vine
the smart ones are going to accept retail gold to pay for sub time
people sell wow carries brother
sun shines
noble forge
A Lot of people will buy it cause they dont wanna Look for a guild / Bother progressing
median trail
If you're being technical it's a very low bar to pass.
polar vine
gearing and getting into the guild is the hardest part of raiding
thats a huge commitment
median trail
If like, 3 people do it than "people" have done it and it's become true.
polar vine
of time and energy
buddy
i can assure you, with my left nut up to god
within 4 months
your local high pop trade will be flooded with carry offers
kind shoal
Well that's just common sense
polar vine
if u think people are going to leave that mindset with bfa youre delusional
median trail
Now that is a different bar. Technically not higher though, if those people selling carries are super spammy.
polar vine
this guy
median trail
But I'm not saying they won't sell it, I'm just being a shit about how few people have to do it for the statement to come true.
Even if it's unpopular if it happens more than once it's happened multiple times.
dense bronze
@median trail There will always be options for everyone
Just be aware that you will have to work harder and will most likely be turned away at times
but having a guild that is fine with you rolling whatever you want will solve most of those problems
Doesn't really matter if the raids are easy or not, some people will always pick the best regardless
median trail
Yeah I kind of figured. Not planning on doing any raiding in Classic, sounds like far too much time for far too little pay-off, but I figured I might as well ask if having less of a reason to care made people less worried about DPS balance.
remote lance
If you just want to do what you want you probably dont care about performance
dense bronze
Same really goes for dungeons as well mind you, might be less picky in there but definitly will be people who are picky
median trail
Guess I should keep that in mind. But my classic character is mostly gonna be for when other people make me get on than playing it all the time.
dense bronze
(but again, get a good guild for yourself)
remote lance
im not saying this against anyone in specific but this pattern is actually kind of funny/annoying
Step 1: someone ask if X is viable or not
Step 2: gets an answer: no not really or, no you're really handicapping yourself
Step 3: but classic is so easy
Step 4: why are you asking then
near mirage
My take on this... the thing that changed from original classic and now classic is that people (in a general crowd) are much less friendly and accepting of wrong gear, "bad" classes, 0.5% too low dps.
If you avoid the A° of the community, you'll have a fine time. But they're there, and they will be A°
median trail
Well I already knew how viable Feral was, more just asking to make sure if people still cared when it's not as important.
I looked into Classic Druid, I know it don't look good >.>
near mirage
at release I remember grouping with warriors wearing spell power cloth =\ was funny. didn't matter. Move on. Now? You'll probably be kicked.
remote lance
the biggest thing about old vanilla is that at the beginning information was fairly scarce and leveling is such a big commitment that it is simply unfeasible to reroll without weeks if not months of time
it's probably true that people are way pickier than they need to nowadays as well, but that's just the burden of knowing everything ahead of time
near mirage
yeah.
median trail
Ignorance is bliss after all.
remote lance
to a degree, if releveling something takes 2 minutes then people would have been way pickier in vanilla as well
near mirage
Which is why my take is play what you feel like you'll enjoy spending your time with.. After all someone somewhere will still insult you because you're not doing what they think it's best. =P lol.
remote lance
i think most raids won't be able to fill with "best classes"
and I also foresee a lot of stepping stone raids
where warriors and rogues get gear and then go to better guilds, assuming there's that many to go around
median trail
If I hadn't learned how bleak things looked for my current spec I wouldn't have joined this server until probably a ways into leveling my Classic character. But I found out how bad I've been doing at the spec and how little my improvement would change compared to other classes so I farmed over a thousand ducking Viper Fish to fund a level boost.
remote lance
smart guilds definitely won't try to field their 30 rogues+warriors in their initial raids, they'll just recruit and/or split
split MC sounds so terrible just for the record
median trail
The way I always consider optimization is I remember how far what even the best people do is from perfect.
Like to be the MOST optimal you'd have to do some pretty painful shit for maximum gain.
median trail
So we're all accepting there's things we aren't willing to do. From there we all decide which things are past our breaking points.
remote lance
@dense bronze STAHP
torn crypt
So I've heard conflicting reports on druid tanking in classic. They range from being garbage to being perfectly viable and strong, just not as good as prot war on certain encounters. What's the real deal with feral tanking in classic
near mirage
you put your face there and hope the healers keep you up. HP Sponge.
dense bronze
Its complicated
General rule of thumb is this: you will do fine in dungeons and as offtank
near mirage
sometimes could be a bit iffy to keep good aggro if the group is derping on different targets, as you only cleave three.
I don't personally remember anything else outstanding.
dense bronze
Bears can produce stupid amounts of threat if done right (and with MCP)
near mirage
I might fault on the lower end, assuming if questions like that are asked, probably it's not that kind of player. But you're right =)
result x effort always had a very steep scale for druids, in my experience. that bit more effort always gave much more results than in other classes.. but also meant you had to go the extra mile to compete.
dense bronze
Fair point
I guess it will create a bigger problem
I doubt most people who will roll feral (both cat and bear) will bother with MCP for example or go the extra mile that is needed to push feral to the limit
which will just create a bigger skewed view of it
near mirage
100% agree with that.
karmic juniper
people in original vanilla were definitely assholes and would kick you if you weren't optimal as well, or if you weren't playing the best specs
it's just more common because more info
near mirage
Absolutely, I didn't mean that it never happened.. just that now, even the bottom of the barrel players will snob their noses because a website says so.
even if it makes no difference whatsoever at the level they're playing. (see "must roll nelf for shadowmeld -> don't even have shadowmeld on bars")
dense bronze
There have always been people like that, but it definitely was far between in vanilla
But then again it was also far between players who played moonkin/feral/ret/shadow etc
some of that was due to earlier patches where those speccs were so useless that you had to be completely clueless to use them, once one by one were slowly getting "better" old views still hung around
for example druid didn't get a revamp until 1.8, before that top tier balance talent was hurricane and feral had a talent that gave 25% reduced cost to shifting
useless talents at that tier
near mirage
yeah.
pair it with the lack of foresight of Blizzard for our itemization, and all the tiers being healer -.-
"nobody plays feral, just put another healing tier in, they'll love it" .. gee.
quartz tendon
Just to let people know, I MT'd alliance MC, most of BWL, AQ20 and ZG in Vanilla 12 years before we knew about MCP. My threat back then was fantastic back then.
mental crystal
ok thanks 
crude laurel
@idle plank moonkin or boomkin?
cold moth
oomkin
lone vigil
It does suck that we need to wait for AQ for feral ap weapons
quartz tendon
It sucked 14 years ago
quartz tendon
For bears, Warden Staff is still king
noble forge
depends if you need more threat
quartz tendon
yeah
kind sandal
Ik hpal and h priest are go to in vanilla but how does druid compete? Would you struggle to find a raid spot? Stuck between rdruid and playing warrior
quartz tendon
there is always 1 slot for resto druid
Brez, innervate, HoTs and someone to give the druid drops to
the hpals will probably roll on leather but it's safe from priests
kind sandal
Overall it sounds like a bad time playing resto? If it wasn’t for innervate and brez we’d probably not even make it into the group ?
quartz tendon
Your skills are invaluable, I don't think people understand that a healing meter isn't an indicator of skill. You will be there to decurse, raid heal, provide raid buffs (Thorns and Mark of the Wild), and every other trick a druid has
If you want to sit there and spam flash heal, that's fine. Resto is a much more proactive style
kind sandal
That’s what I’m looking for I’m also not a fan of playing the more popular healers
quartz tendon
Resto druid is an important piece of the puzzle. Remember though, druid doesn't usually get the glory. If it's an ego thing, druid isn't the class for you
kind sandal
I’m alright being the silent carry
quartz tendon
That's exactly what we do
kind sandal
I mean what , do I play holy priest and flex my overheal
quartz tendon
Manage your mana, innervate the disc priest, DECUSE, don't brez the idiots who can't handle the mechanics, keep buffs up and HoTs where you can
DECURSE
The advantage druids have is when we know the fights, you can pre HoT for raid damage and stuns
kind sandal
Kind of a slap to the face when you’re brought along for innvervate and it’s not even for you
remote lance
What do you mean silent carry
kind sandal
I’m aware but like on top of getting all of the recognition and glory they also want your innervate 🤣
remote lance
Healing meter doesn't matter but druids toolkit just isn't that impressive
quartz tendon
Our innervate is for those who need it. Otherwise it would be a self cast
remote lance
You will bring a resto for sure but that's for buffs and drops
grand musk
If it wasn't meant to be used on yourself it wouldn't be an option 😉
whole swan
Crazy how people think theres gonna be like 25 warriors in every raid
Goodluck with that 😄
quartz tendon
It usualy takes time to get that many warriors and mages
remote lance
Bigbrain method
Why gear your own warrior and rogues when fodder guilds can do it for you
whole swan
true
grand musk
Bully
quartz tendon
Yup. The warriors also don't want to be 16th in line for boots
remote lance
I'm just being blunt and that's basically what happened too
grand musk
Man classic players are dicks
remote lance
Especially for tf people
grand musk
What about wholesome friends and family guilds
quartz tendon
Nah, May. Just progression raiders
remote lance
It's not about classic or retail. It's about people
quartz tendon
There will be PLENTY of F&F guilds
whole swan
People going into classic with bfa attitude is gonna suck though
remote lance
Other than not getting showered in purple it really isnt that big of a difference
quartz tendon
You think world first KT killisn't going to be a thing?
fluid sigil
my guild is gonna be 39 warriors trying to build thunderfury vs me
remote lance
People make their own goalposts all the time so why not
whole swan
You will just bait people into the "its not world first it was done x years ago" argument. Not worth
quartz tendon
Classic isn't Vanilla
remote lance
I would ask people why they think regrind gear is fun. Then I remembered arpg exist
mental crystal
I said nothing about world first lmao
But where's there gonna be prog lmao
The fights are already known
remote lance
Like I said. People will make up their own stuff all the time. All the power to them as long as they have fun
quartz tendon
yup
grand musk
Classic progression aka farming for gear checks
remote lance
I would watch that
quartz tendon
Method has 24/7 streaming for the first 12 days?
remote lance
You know what twitch play is right? There will be plenty of trolls to make it interesting
quartz tendon
snowballs everywhere
grand musk
Oh that's what you're on about
quartz tendon
took me a minute too
grand musk
Thought you meant a dude streaming MC "progression"
remote lance
-_-
grand musk
Just say twitch plays to start with smh
whole swan
First streams will probably be huge regardless on twitch
Like 100k people watched him do deadmines....
grand musk
Lmao idiots
remote lance
I said someone should do twitch raid mc at the beginning
Did raid instead of play throw people off that much
quartz tendon
Estimates are between 500k and 1 million viewers day one
quartz tendon
based on BFA viewership
remote lance
Magic crystal ball
whole swan
Complete guesses, but wouldnt be suprised if its huge on release with all the top streamers playing it
All them people watching login simulator 😄
grand musk
Getting mixed signals
quartz tendon
People like Kripp will be streaming it
remote lance
but no, i will not watch anything classic, especially not raids
i've done them personally enough for a life time
watching WF race when you don't know any strategy is fun, for me
grand musk
Imagine watching people level
remote lance
when strategy has been established for a decade, no
whole swan
Alot of it isnt even the content
grand musk
? The fights are highly engaging
whole swan
People watch for the streamer half the time, most streamers do boring shit anyways most the time
grand musk
Some even have a mechanic
remote lance
ok, i will watch Heigan if they dub it with Hamster Dance music, i can't find that clip anywhere anymore
mental crystal
Wild to me enough that people watch retail being streamed
Classic stream is just incomprehensible to me xd
Dunno just find this game reasonably fun to play but incredibly dull to watch
grand musk
World quests are about as interesting as classic levelling
Also imagine calling live wow retail
remote lance
other than WF race, the most interesting thing to watch is maybe arenas. And i don't even like pvp
i really don't see the appeal in watching people play rpgs in general. I like watching Starcraft just to learn new timings and how people micro, but a lot of time people "watch" stuff just to past time
again, not my business how people use their time for their entertainment
fluid sigil
I like watching raiding
grand musk
Some ways to spend your time are objectively dumb 😉
grand musk
Idiot
fluid sigil
silence u play minecraft none ironically
fluid sigil
my minecraft mechanics are bad I feel like a boomer in that game
fluid sigil
until classic amirite
grand musk
Lmao
Classic is the turning point of the century
We're now in bc
Before classic
Next week life will have meaning again
fluid sigil
this is how rose tinters see reality
but its actually gonna be wild and u should definitely play on launch
so you can watch 20k people try and pile into shazzrath
mental crystal
Classic gonna be lit for a little bit
fluid sigil
@grand musk resub now i'll donate weekly key
grand musk
Not playing on pvp
mental crystal
But the fun will die out very quickly xd
fluid sigil
dont matter
fluid sigil
alliance IS the hipster faction now
grand musk
Wasnt it always
fluid sigil
negatory
grand musk
cmonbruh
fluid sigil
my server in wrath and cata had 10% horde 90% alliance
grand musk
Ok but that's server specific
fluid sigil
before blood elves horde was the hipster faction
then the norman invasion of the blood elves took over
grand musk
Idiots
remote lance
before TBC: Blizzard "hey guys faction imbalance, what are we going to do about it? Add BE and paladin to horde. Good idea!"
after TBC Blizzard "hey guys faction imbalance, what are we going to do about it? lol who cares"
eager swan
i heard druid's cant use engineering items in bear or cat form, do we know if this is true?
fluid sigil
I dont remember but maybe there are some that do I bet it's inconsistent and not universal in what works and doesn't in form
covert rover
chips - my guys gave up on shatt :<
so i'm firemaw now from the look of it
i have work. .i doubt i would get to play at all the first two months if the queues are anything like blizzard says <.<
also looks like scandis generally went to firemaw which is ++
fluid sigil
I decided that the best course of action was to not play with my guild
so i'm playing on RPPVP
covert rover
oomigawd
i really wanted that server
but my guys are like "LUL PVP SERVER"
tbh one of them really wants it too
but we're being outnumbered and ending up on firemaw
firemaw is cool name
tbh was one of the largest deciding factors in the end XD
chips -but seems like a good option for you.. you kinda wanted to do that from start i remember
not playing with them
fluid sigil
yep I mean i am playing with friends from my guild just not actually playing in the guild or on the same server
a coup d'etat was formed
and like 6 or 7 couldn't be bothered rolling on a pepega server
covert rover
yeah.. i'm at work on launch :<
well.. not ATlaunch.. but i don't think i'm going to pull an allnighter just to kill myself at owrk
and yeah.. it's not like you'll be able to play on that server anyway
it's going to get even worse than it is now because people sitll join that server and think they can ride it out <.<
fluid sigil
❓
median trail
Question. If I'm only ever gonna do quests and occasionally dungeons with friends, would I go kitty Feral or bear Feral?
fluid sigil
probably bear feral but its the same anyway you cast spells until ur oom then shift into something and auto attack/cast whatever u can
median trail
Oh I wouldn't even be in form the whole time? RIP.
covert rover
it's same thing
i'm going kitty feral
because we have a tank
but i'll tank too and heal too because we can do it all
well.. tank, heal and tickle mobs
crude laurel
Hi I love all my fellow druids. Thanks
covert rover
likewise
druids are charming creatures
especially feral
and for vanilla i'm going to expand that to feral bears too
near mirage
The amazing feeling of going bear, popping cooldowns and save the last 0.1% from a wipe when you're the last one standing. That's what kept me hooked =P .. well, until they gelded us into 4 specs, but that's a far far future from Classic =P
kind shoal
That's what I like about past expantions was more about being the class than a spec.
covert rover
wolf - yeah.. i did that a ton in cata
near mirage
yeah. Trade that 0.05% dps into 10% reduced damage and crit reduction (later on)? I did. was beneficial.
covert rover
was such a good feeling
one of our tanks would always die on omnitrons
so i would go bearform and tank
and i was the only combat resser too
meaning i had a hard time ressing him for a while
just loved that XD
near mirage
my guild first Deathwing kill went like that. I think I'm still internally screaming in excitement. =P
covert rover
we stopped raiding that tier.. towards the end
none of us liked it so we took a break up to mop
so never got to kill that
near mirage
kept dying on the tentacles at the end.. "wipe it" .. barkskin + SI was still like.. 70% damage reduction at pop. went through =P
I miss that. a lot.
covert rover
yeah
near mirage
the silly "you're not optimal ... wait, are you slowing the valkyries just by attacking them? ffff... I love you"
covert rover
tbh wasn't very happy with heart of the wild
near mirage
just by switching one talent that was not "you must take this"
covert rover
removing BT for it didn't feel good
doing shit dps for occasional chance.. meh
i did have to take it on scorpion
to get tranq running
that is something i'll enjoy in vanilla
having tranq
near mirage
yeah.
Definitely.
Bring yourself, not the 0.5% extra damage =) my view. Quick thinking and good reactions, planning with non standard talent trees, could change the fight for everyone else.
covert rover
i'm not going to raid there.. i'm just going to play with old friends and have a good time doing dungeons and making our group work
we tended to do m+ with full melee groups, raids with full melee groups, challenge mode with ferals/rets and such
we never really were good at going with good specs for the situations
part of the fun is to have it work out anyway
near mirage
most likely will be the same for me, the old group I ran with is all gone with families and work schedule that can't allow so much time to be invested in a game.. So I'm just planning to enjoy my time and see how it goes =)
covert rover
yeah.. tbh vanilla kinda often required more time put into it.. but i'm just going to chil lwith it since i've already done it before.. so i don't have any goals i need to reach
near mirage
yeah. also things will probably be much different too.. I really can't see 4 days a week, 6 hours a night to raid MC now.
as it was with hardcore guilds back then.
unless you somehow manage to get there with a guild that has no access to internet and doesn't know anything about the fights =)
whole swan
Can probably raid 1 night a week on classic and be fine
flat haven
MC will be cake compared to back then
covert rover
dunno.. a lot of vanillas "hard" stuff was people needing enough gear to get past it
near mirage
all the knowledge, (plus DBM) is there for everyone now. Yeah, I don't think it would take much longer than a day, maybe two if really casual.
covert rover
which was slow as fuck
near mirage
oh absolutely, that'll be a time sink from hell.
covert rover
but yeah.. much easier for people now since they got a lot better
whole swan
Now people mostly have decent internet, with 40 below average people it should be a cake walk
And the farm isnt even that bad
near mirage
even tho we're getting the 1.12 treatment so a lot of gear and mechanics are already better than what was through actual progression
covert rover
tbh i don't really have a clear idea how bad/good people were in my raid
we cleared mc in 4 hours
which was fine back then
but i don't know how much the gear really mattered
if people just learning to hit their 1 button would have changed it?
near mirage
The best part? a good chunk of those 40 people actually never even understood what was going on because they had 10fps. lol.
whole swan
Yep
near mirage
just follow the mass of people moving, press your buttons, done =P
covert rover
i played quake on pretty high lvl with 13-14 fps
it's npnp
does it look better with more.. sure.. but you can play most that way really <.<
most of it were to follow omen
don't hit the top
near mirage
That is true =) it's mostly a joke because really some people could barely walk because of their computers being e-machines.
flat haven
You literally had people assigned to only dispelling
covert rover
yeah.. our raid were pretty solid overall.. not a lot of DCs nor terrible computers
flat haven
that was the hardest mechanic in MC
covert rover
we even had a feral.. and he loved playing feral so much
near mirage
I had 500ms average latency because "oh I'm going to play with my US friends, it'll be fine" ;P and learned to live with it. All the way to pandaria when they magically fixed oversea connections.
covert rover
he were so hyped in tbc when they gave him more dots
near mirage
now I only have 160ms =P
covert rover
i think i have 29 or so
but tbh i don't notice it before i hit 300 ms
wow is pretty gut-feels in that regard
near mirage
After they added spell queueing, it was much easier.
near mirage
I used to raid with a stupid latency meter displayed from Recount, as it would make a difference if I was under 300 or over.
covert rover
from about 0.2 secs before i start spamming the button up to it triggers
near mirage
in Wrath
covert rover
lel
yeah
i've always been good at not having all that shit showing
like fps, latency, load on harddrives etc
near mirage
it's annoying when you think you hit your finisher so you start spamming your builders, but latency decided you didn't, so you're eating your energy.
there's a point when it gets so high that you're basically guessing what'll happen next and try to hit it before it goes on your screen.. or you're a second behind.
covert rover
yeah indeed
near mirage
Hopefully will never have to deal with that again.. if they bring my latency back as well for classic, I'm done.
covert rover
that's the point i hit about 300 ms
not that i've had it for quite a while
is 2 providers ago i could end up there for real
while downloading and such
shitty router couldn't keep up
and it won't
it's basically new game
you have things like being able to remove cloak and helmet too etc
spark plinth
Just have to ask about addons. Is there some one making a addon like atlasloot. That looks more modern and dont have the issues it used to hav? Items not loading in the data base for instance
Allso if there is some addon list you have with newly made addons i'm all in for it
near mirage
atlasloot-classic
spark plinth
@near mirage that is a new one or sale as they have used pn private servers?
near mirage
most of the addons have been released already, some will come as the servers are open since the devs didn't have access to beta / time to play around with them.
No clue about private servers, it's on curse.
spark plinth
Specific place or is it in twitch app/curse
Hmm thanks alot
The allso helped me with last question hahah
near mirage
Also, keep in mind that it seems that Classic will use some of the modern interface API, so there's a good chance that new addons might somewhat work already without specific changes.
depending on which kind of addon it is.
I'm waiting to see if ICU will work =) probably not, but here's hoping.. my most missed addon from release.
targeting list from humanoid tracking was so damn good.
dense bronze
Classic uses BFA API with some restrictions
spark plinth
Ouh yeah that seems handy
covert rover
btw dyne
spark plinth
Will dungeon grind to 60 with some friends first week. Any suggestion (will tank myself)
near mirage
find an area with fast spawning and just sit there instead.
covert rover
are you going to change your avatar to an hyped avatar with faster eyebrow-raising come classic launch?
a*
near mirage
dungeon xp in classic is terrible.
dense bronze
Not really, its slower than a very efficient route
but with a good group it will be fast, very fast
but to make it fast you kind of have to build your group around it
covert rover
dungeon grind to lvl 60 the first week
i like dungeons.. but it's a loooot of dungeons
and not like you just queue up to them
whole swan
No competition though
and with a melee cleave you can zerg through them
Means you avoid the shit show of contested zones
near mirage
four bears and a resto. lol.
dense bronze
Just take your time unless you are aiming for speed, do what you want at your own pace
Especially if you haven't leveled in vanilla before, there is a lot to experience
covert rover
if you do go that path you can avoid it anyway
since you just play past everybody the first day
whole swan
Even if you get 10 levels ahead
whole swan
You go back to stv to do higher quests, a group of the other faction can just destroy you
And i expect every single zone to be packed
near mirage
Everyone on horde will be over at the valley of trials, cause screw getting kodos, I want my wolves.
better start working on that rep.
dense bronze
Good luck with that
near mirage
yeah =P lol.
At original launch I rolled a nelf druid, and I remember waiting a few hours to be able to get ONE grell count for the first quest... Fully expecting this to be the same.
whole swan
Im worried about the servers at launch, never mind the start levelling
near mirage
I have some hope for that, not much, just some.. that Blizzard wouldn't want to lose face that hard again..
mental crystal
on the stress test it was far better experience than that tbh
hoping that layering is strong enough that it'll manage proper launch
polar vine
#tauren master race
near mirage
Not expecting minute 0 to be able to get in, but at least in the first hour should be playable. I guess.
near mirage
I want that Wrath server.
dense bronze
You think you do, but you don't
covert rover
XD
near mirage
but my armor pen kitty.. my unheeded warning..
near mirage
Unheeded procced ArP before they dropped all those secondary stats.
or did it, wait I think my memory is playing myself again -.-
fluid sigil
are you thinking of deathbringers will
near mirage
You're right.
whole swan
Deathbringers will was amazing
mental crystal
near mirage
The more I talk about those years, the more I realize end of BC-wrath-half of cata are blending in as a single mess in my memory -.- Classic is making me feel old, in the alzheimer kind of way -.-
also I still have it in my void storage, for whatever silly reason. https://i.imgur.com/lCrkXr3.png
covert rover
i saved my chtun dagger for many years
but ended up deleting it in the end because i lacked bagspace
wait no.. chromaggus
talk about messing things up
but yeah. .i agree.. hard to remember things that far back <.<
near mirage
Memory is what it is.. we have too many items in there =P lol.
polar vine
@dense bronze can you explain the HWL grouping thing again when u get a chance
calm dirge
@remote lance ever piece of armor I’ve ever gotten from anything in case I need it for some reason
And every potion herb and mat
cold moth
Guys when i hit 60 Im basically going to gank lowbies and do open world pvp. Would a druid be as good for this as a rogue?
Seeing as druid has stealth as well
polar vine
yes
cold moth
Well I am old as fuck 🙂 Cheers! Will prolly roll a druid then
dense bronze
You can play as whatever you want if you are aiming to gank lowbies
but rogue will outperform druid in pvp overall
mental crystal
you make me feel physically ill lmfao
dense bronze
Someone got to keep the STV memes going
And how will the other faction earn a burning hatred for you if you don't gank them while they are weak?
cold moth
Haha, Its basically the best part of classic.
This guys a legend http://liquidcode.org/~lostman/wow/dkeserver.se/stuff/angwe/
cold moth
Well anything is better than personal loot
young latch
I like personal loot
It would be better tho if the trading rules on personal loot were more refined
cold moth
Very true 🙂
I mean, I get that people like it. Just let my guild disable it on a full guild run
It sure has its place in pugs
young latch
It has a place in guilds too
mental crystal
personal loot gave me the argus mount when i was essentially getting a free boost so that was nice
young latch
It simplify gear distriburion hufely
cold moth
Sure, I mean if some guilds like it thats fine. But why make it mandatory?
mental crystal
I mean it's pretty obvious
it's just another measure to keep you playing for longer
cold moth
😦
dark juniper
how much are dudus gonna suck in classic?
low steeple
Some would call them dudu ;p
velvet talon
Some would call them dodonts
gilded anchor
*links video of balance druids 1 shotting people in vanilla
junior wagon
i just want to play the spec i want in vanilla while also being able to do atleast some endgame content
karmic juniper
you can literally play anything and clear everything
covert rover
.. just need friends enough
gilded anchor
What are these friends you speak of?
covert rover
dunno personally.. just goosys guildmates that will carry him through anything because of the deep love for him
cloud stratus
Is 1 feral Druid 1 Resto Druid good for spellcleave groups?
whole swan
Druid for tank would be fine, you just screw yourself if someone dies though without a proper res
median trail
Are there any particular areas with quests or dungeons I should target as a druid in classic just playing casually? Like, a quest reward that's really good or a dungeon that's not too hard and has a good drop?
noble forge
The Powershift helm
dense bronze
The helm is leatherworking
median trail
Hmmm, would skinning/letherworking be useful then? Assuming I don't get another character for more professions?
dense bronze
Depends on what you are planning to do at 60
median trail
Most likely just questing and the occasional dungeon.
dense bronze
You should do some research about professions in classic and then find the one that fits your plans the best
Once you pick you most likely won't be swapping
median trail
Gotcha.
near mirage
tauren herbalist, just for that emotes they'll all throw at you when you pick the flower off their hands =P
also travel form + 0.5s picking timer = if you time yourself correctly you can just run through most the mobs and pick between swings.
Considering gold being a somewhat more relevant resource in Classic, a good gathering profession will go a long way. In my opinion =)
near mirage
so why my tauren always picked herbs faster?
noble forge
And Gnome racial is Instant there
Blood Fury No heal debuff
Those are modern tooltips
Read what is written
noble forge
The tooltips are Changed because its the Same spell id
near mirage
there is no changelog for the racial unlike others, so where was it changed? I'm 100% sure I had it already by BC because there are tons of threads on every forum crying to nerf it because people stole "tapped nodes"
median trail
I mean I guess if you just scoop up the dirt too and pick it apart later.
near mirage
and I kept stealing them from my group =P
median trail
I always rationalized all the profession racials as being used to something more than good at it.
dense bronze
near mirage
At some point I'll wake up and realize I'm in a different timeline or something. Apologies for messing up, but I was 100% sure I remember running through hellfire peninsula at level and having that -.-
near mirage
I still find it weird that they didn't list the change. Every other ability lists what and when got modified. 
dense bronze
Wowheads history is not complete
noble forge
Will of the forsaken Changelist is also wronf
dense bronze
But yea memory is flawed, it all gets muddled together over time
near mirage
Now half of my plans are tossed up =P as it was my reason for staying herbs+alchemy.
young latch
Herb alch is still good money
steel swift
near mirage
That is true Latterstyle =) I'm planning to play with two friends and we're trying to pick combinations that would make sense to not have to rely on external, but I had claimed that slot because of "being a cow". lol.
polar vine
did tauren have a wep skill>
noble forge
No
polar vine
humans had swords right?
limber hollow
I'm legit pretty bummed out they just confirmed they were gonna trash LFG addons. Was looking forward to that
near mirage
The worrying thing is that for the sake of making the few "qq my old experience" players happy, we'll probably lose addon chat.
like Gatherer won't be able to add nodes from guild and party.
polar vine
why do you need gatherer
near mirage
No strong feelings either way about the "cheat" LFG copy, just.. don't break the API for the sake of something silly.
Why do you need (anything)? =)
also, it's an example. change Gatherer to DBM.
polar vine
the nodes in classic are easily found and they have guides
near mirage
a lot of addons have behind the scenes communication, if Blizz cuts that because of ClassicLFG, it's going to be a sad moment.
you're 100% missing the point.
dense bronze
Probably should wait with the complaining until we know exactly how they are going to break it
And yes, losing data channel would not be fun for QoL but then again its not something that existed in vanilla so 🤷
near mirage
Yeah, agreed =) It's just the usual sour feeling when an API might get gelded because of a niche use of a function.
dense bronze
I mean they could simply just remove the channel option, addons would still be able to communicate with raid/party/bg, guild and whisper
near mirage
That would be annoying for everyone else that doesn't use them tho, making them super spammy and people would complain more.
Dunnos yet, will see how it will go, and hopefully it's not a destructive change for everyone else.
remote lance
i'll take any drama i can get