im gonna go tailoring enchanting while leveling
#classic
gritty mural
im not gonna level enchanting
just de stuff
blood tiger gear looks so good to me /drools
polar vine
@gritty mural blue variant shoulders in stv i think
indigo hull
classic oomkin for the full masochistic classic experience
visual oriole
What's the discord for classic wow warrior? Skyhold?
frigid robin
yes
faint frigate
theres addons in classic right? is there gonna be a quest helper
mental crystal
if you use a quest helper im telling ion
young latch
there are full addons weak auras everythign in classic
heaps of stuff is getting ported to classic
mental crystal
if other people are using addons not in vanilla it will ruin my whole experience 😠
faint frigate
MonkaW
remote lance
if you're using internet better than DSL i'm reporting you
covert rover
I had the cool 2mbit down back then...and 128kbit up ... 
I’ll try to have a genuine experience without that though
remote lance
Love the old slow uploads
polar vine
Dear god
PTSD of my phone ringing
And id be on last boss of some dungeon and im screaming NOOOOO and my moms running cus its probably my aunt and time slows down and im screaming louder and she picked it up and im dead in brd for the 10th time
dense bronze
Dialup or get out, #nochanges
potent hatch
i remember having a PC so bad i lost my first character on the zepplin, the loadscreen would take too long, by the time in loaded you were on your way back
and loading again
mental crystal
absolute banger
static tulip
so I asked a question on Reddit is it OK if I post the link to my question?
So the only Balance abilities I will be using is Moonfire + Insect Swarm then shift into cat and use cat DOTs. I just want to know if that is a terrible idea. I know going pure Feral is the fastest but I don't think leveling this way will be much slower
remote lance
Why not just play feral and then spend 1g respec afterwards. You will get plenty of chances to laser people at max level
static tulip
mainly because I am on a PvP server and I think going this route will allow me to survive more and more easily gank people
also INT Leather should be pretty cheap...especially compared to Agi Leather because of Rogues
polar vine
lol
youre not going to gank anyone
slow down buddy
youre going to run from ganks using quick shift
static tulip
with reduced mana for shifting, more mana to heal and all the DOTs you will survive longer and win fights..even if you get opened on
thats why I think INT is better
noble forge
just go resto for NS
or something
if you really care about world pvp
natures grasp and NS
so you can run
polar vine
with swarm/mf you arent going to out dmg the big dick warrior or mage
or rogue
or warlock
noble forge
especially not with int gear
polar vine
hard cast wrath? probably not you will swap to cat and your INT is wasted
and INT doesnt affect in combat regen
need spirit
rogues can 100% stun lock in classic P sure
since 1.12
dense bronze
Your best defense against ganking is to level faster than the majority 🤷
noble bobcat
Int is also good because it lets you shift forms more
Mana is a big deal in classic and swapping forms happens a lot
Feral Druid’s bring mana pots to raids because of how often they have to swap forms
static tulip
Not talking about end game, only talking about leveling
and I think this build will do well in wPvP while leveling because it will allow you to outlast your opponent. Let your DOTs + Wrath whittle down the Rogue/Warrior while you heal
proper siren
That's essentially what your doing in world PVP even if you spec 0/0/0
So your prolly better off taking the feral talents to speed up the leveling process
But it's classic wowm play what ya want
whole swan
Dont need to outlast your opponent when you can just run off
Chances are if you fight for too long when it releases another ally/horde will show up
remote lance
another horde yes, another alliance unlikely
i'm foreseeing a terrible a/h balance on pvp server in favor of horde (undead rogues)
thick plinth
Where is the best Druid guide living for classic?
silk bobcat
any one know if after everyone hits 60 then form 40 man raids and kill all the bosses there guna release burning crusade or naw cuz that expansion was awsom
covert rover
from what i understood they will keep rolling into tbc.. just promised not to change anything before that point
or.. first 6 phases or whatever it was
silk bobcat
nice
i love gruuls lair
i remember i was a prot warrior and got the shiedl from gruuls lair
covert rover
i mostly remember the super long pvp fights from tbc
covert rover
cold moth
And After TBC we get wotlk?
They could just make a full reboot tho
Like, after BC bring a whole new xpac but old school style yk
dense bronze
Unless something new have been released very recently there haven't been given any clear indications to what they are planning if anything at all
What they have said previously however is that if classic becomes popular they might consider new content for classic or classc tbc/other expansions
Realistically if classic is popular in the long term (i.e worth it for them) you can almost guarantee that they will do something, but its a bit early to start arguing over that now
low steeple
Reboots for the next 15 years, followed by a Classic reboot XD
vivid wolf
WoD would be PACKED. It would be the bug zapper effect. You just can't help but go into the light, even though you know it's death.
lusty gazelle
would they keep going with further expansions @low steeple? 😛
low steeple
Of course
dense bronze
polar vine
Where does dyne get pokemon emotes
warped rover
Does anyone know if the noggenfogger buff works in classic? On forms that is, the questline was too high lvl to test in beta and I can't remember when they removed that (for a while)
dense bronze
Classic does not have focus, nor will it be possible to recreate it with addons. (vanilla did not have focus, but similar could be created with addons since the API had little to no restrictions)
Noggenfogger should works for forms (since it did in vanilla)
covert rover
looks exceptionally casual
i can commit to about 1 hour pr week
and it will be 5 months after release
need to lvl first
mental crystal
Hahaha what the fuck lmao
covert rover
i don't really get the dates
vanilla launches 27th
so i assume that's the month after ponder
mental crystal
Its HARDCORE 😠 don't question it
covert rover
true.. i'm too casual to understand it :<
delicate minnow
I thought it was the 27th for us?
tacit dragon
26th 3pm PST i believe
mental crystal
Tfw NA still won't get a world first 
karmic juniper
your joke doesn't work you feral idiot
it's the same time for everyone
just different days
delicate minnow
My people get world first regardless though 🙂
karmic juniper
dense bronze
A bit late for world first i'm afraid
delicate minnow
How many are going to be able to handle the not looting in forms... I don't think I can
covert rover
goosy - fair enough.. usually blizzard only really tell the na date
karmic juniper
world first molten core where the players know what they're doing
covert rover
so i just assumed that was the na release day
karmic juniper
yea it's weird i agree
dense bronze
*classic first
karmic juniper
i guess it's because it's 27th for the majority
covert rover
usual googling just pops na lanuch time.. and this time it's 27th
dense bronze
@covert rover https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/ui/UI5GHS0013QD1557845843113.jpg
covert rover
XD
karmic juniper
i sort of doubt that but maybe
covert rover
that's a very smooth map
dense bronze
That is the map from the official release news post
covert rover
yeah.. i just like they made it in that style.. haven't seen it before
in all fairness i might have seen it but skimmed over it fast enough to just think it was the usual wow map
karmic juniper
@dense bronze do you think my guild will let me play feral
delicate minnow
Yes... but they might not ever take you to stuff
karmic juniper
to be fair a good feral who can fill other roles really isn't that big of a carry
and if your players aren't dogshit it doesn't matter what you bring anyway
covert rover
and if they're dog shit they won't notice your lack of dps so much
delicate minnow
If that is the case you probably aren't with them
karmic juniper
what do you mean
delicate minnow
I expect you to be with some of the more Good groups
karmic juniper
it's my guild from live so yea
good players
they'll carry me in modern and classic wow
just need to kill azshara before classic or it's all over 
mental crystal
lunar viper
Idk why people still think x class won't be brought. Unless you plan on being in a top 5 server classic guild that's running strict meta you don't have anything to worry about.
People forget you could have like half your raid afk in most of these early raids.
Or the fact some of these raids got freaking 2manned.. but yeah feral won't be brought?? 
Just can't wait til release so all this, you won't be brought false info fades away.
mental crystal
yeah the idea of elitism in classic is actually wild
what's even more wild is that dumb fucks are actually go be elitist lmao
flat haven
being elitist in classic lul
young latch
A majority of the ppl that make it to 60 and are raid ready will be elitist
It's that simple
dense bronze
People aren't saying they will never be brought, they are saying you will have to work harder to be picked for several reasons
Not only that playing as feral will require more of you than lets say rogue in PVE
Its important to have realistic expectations of what to come, nobody benefits from people quitting 3 months down the line over struggling to perform or even get invited because the raids are flooding over with better choices
If you already have a guild ready then this (hopefully) won't be a problem
noble forge
@lunar viper mindset nowadays is different
a lot of people complain because they dont get brought to m+ keys if they play stuff like feral or vengeance even tho they are a lot closer in strength
compared to what the difference is in vanilla
sure with patience you will be able to raid, but its a lot harder
lunar viper
I think comparing to live isn't fair though since there is a a MDI following that pretends you need X comp to do a weekly key.
Whereas classic its been proven you do not need meta comp for most raids, sure some fights you needed a warrior etc. but not all.
restive grotto
Its not about whether its possible or not to do something with certain classes
The fact is that if you have to invite a random person to the group youre going to prefer a good class vs an ok class
Obviously if youre playing with people you know it doesnt matter
polar vine
@dense bronze what u mean by that bruv
got something against rogues
and people dont want to wipe or take chances with bad dps
safer to go with random warrior who can mash 2 buttons for optimal dps then go with feral who may not have farmed a million maces and even if he did he will be middle of the pack
covert rover
bottom dps*
together with the ever so mighty shammy and ret .. depending which side you're on
but you get to point fingers at the boomies 🙂
remote lance
on the contrary, I don't know why people get so personally offended when people talk about unviable specs
what's so bad about laying out the numbers so people can make educated choices if they choose to?
especially if you made a decision that you don't like and hit 60 with it, the amount of time you need to level another main is drastically different than it is right now
kind shoal
Feral is great in pvp, from what I understand the viable aspect only pertains to raids and everything is viable in 5 man's (paladin/bear tank etc)
Correct me if wrong
remote lance
yea, easier content makes gap between specs less obvious and less meaningful for sure
doesn't matter if you are doing 1k dps or 1m dps if enemy has only 1 hp
covert rover
yeah.. though i guess we still get obliterated if a rogue gets the jump on us
polar vine
i dont think feral will 1v1 anyone
kind shoal
Mages
polar vine
youre comparing a bb gun to a cannon
kind shoal
Only mage killing you is a pom mage
polar vine
yeah
kind shoal
Everyone else sure does 1v1 druids. Better for team pvp
polar vine
but you wont kill a mage
the damage isnt their
feral was only viable as FC
they were OK base protectors but warriors did more damage
and by feral i mean you went feral with tank talents priority
remote lance
They are pretty much the same in vanilla anyway
Hybrid 0 30 21 with swiftness
The full feral dps build was what 11 for omen and 5 in furor the rest into feral?
whole swan
What do you mean you cant 1v1 anyone as druid o_o
Think you can outlast/beat most, and the others you can just keep resetting when you need. Theres probably a few hard matchups like spriest or some crap
whole swan
Bgs ur gonna run flags if wsg
But 1v1 druid is strong as fuck
and its not "feral" you dont just play full feral
pearl dagger
is there a way to see how are factions pops on each server atm?
whole swan
Dont think so other then the "surveys" discords/reddit have done. But it wont be accurate. Cause no idea how many of them will quit quite soon. I wouldnt think it goes any more then 60-40, should be fairly ok
And blizz now posting that US realm Herod is already massively overpopulated, gonna be fun for any of you trying to play there on launch 😄
pearl dagger
I wanted to know the faction pop to avoid being in a 70/30 situation
as for leveleing best thing to do ishit lv2 asap with a friend and grind lv 7-8 mobs
covert rover
mostly seem to be around 45/55 alliance /horde according to polls
dense bronze
vivid wolf
Pagle has been reported to being HEAVILY Alliance and Mankrik HEAVILY Horde. Other than that, I haven't heard.
shadow knot
How are druids gonna play out in classic? I want to recall that they were pretty bad at everything ; (
covert rover
good at 1v1 and leveling
fairly versatile if you like to do all the roles at same time
but dps is horrible
shadow knot
healing too I guess
covert rover
@dense bronze - might tbh want to pin that link.. so people have a chance to move server
sounds like it will be completely broken
gray bough
so, classic druids are really like vanilla druids? doing everything but nothing real good?
so is is worth even to think about playing a druid on classic?
whole swan
If you want to be the best at something, roll warrior
dense bronze
Overcrowd warning
EU - Shazzrah: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/overcrowded-realm-update/70777
NA - Herod: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/overcrowded-realm-update/255835
gray bough
@whole swan its not about beeing the best, but i startetd playing woth WOLTK and am curios about druids in classic. But if i would have like 70% less the chance to get into groups/raids ... it would be like "why should i do this, if i can't xp anything" :d
whole swan
Dont let someone tell you what to pick based on what they find fun, druid can do pretty much everything, but you will not be anywhere near others as dps. So if all you care about is meters, roll warrior
mental crystal
Warning
vivid wolf
Main reason folks won't move is because they are thinking they want to have a high pop to play with. But... As stated in that post from Kaivax: "Please also note that our realm population estimates of Low, Medium, High, and Full are based on this increased capacity – a Medium realm today already has more characters on it than even the most crowded realms did back in 2006." So there's no reason to be afraid of being on a server without a good pop right now.
dense bronze
Good call Geo
whole swan
Druids get spots in raid, its not like they take 0 druids
polar vine
Warning
covert rover
they try to make up poor logic for why the problem isn't that big
whole swan
Pretty sure resto heals just fine, feral can tank just fine ( apart from a few bosses in certain raids with mechanics that make it not possible ), feral is probably below average dps for putting alot of effort into rotation, and boomy is plain shit
covert rover
"probably below" is about half of proper dps
mental crystal
all my lot are staying with shazzrah too
polar vine
@covert rover eu discord channels are fucking terrible
covert rover
sun - shazz has two
whole swan
Yeah half of a proper dps, but the raid isnt gonna be 25 warriors
Shitty specs will be taken, and you dont need bis comp to clear
covert rover
one that is a disaster and then one that is nice and chill
polar vine
druid tank not fine
whole swan
People keep claiming druid tank isn't* fine, yet none of you can give me a reason
As to why it cant tank outside of fights like maexanna
covert rover
obviously i picked the nice one.. didn't even bother with the other from what i heard
polar vine
i said its not fine
whole swan
Yeah i mistyped, tell me why
whole swan
and if you say "crushing blows lol" you are just stupid
polar vine
druid tanks never had a problem with survivability
whole swan
It hasnt been tested yet at 60 , but threat should be fine if not better then warriors im pretty sure pre thunderfury and shit
Outside of memes like farming MCP
Which doesnt take any time whatsoever
polar vine
yeah some pserver testing showed druid could tank some 60 raid? i think it grobbulus in naxx? but the whole raid was built around him
whole swan
Thaddius you mean?
whole swan
Pretty sure unless its been completely changed, druid has easier time getting raid ready at the start, and if numbers dont work completely differently threat should be fine if not better
But without testing on beta, we wont know
polar vine
Perhaps
cold moth
What professions are you guys going to go with if you're a druid in classic? I was thinking skinning/lw but maybe I should go herb instead of lw for the tauren racial
remote lance
double gathering to fund epic mount and/or fund powerleveling a profession later. I did some stealth farming for large brilliant shards at max level but enchanting doesn't seem that good while leveling unless you're the group's only disenchanter and you play in organized group
not a huge fan of splitting shards with pugs if you don't have a dungeon group
royal fossil
problem with classic is that literally everything is already known
if anything is different than private servers itll be very minor
if you get tank druid going its at most going to be as good as a warrior
cold moth
Okay so skinning and herb?
I might be bear if my guild lets me lol but probably resto
royal fossil
but more than likely itll be just as bad as private servers
remote lance
realistically speaking, you will probably be able to group/raid as a bear just because it's very hard to fill a full 40 man roster. But it's not really like bears are really stronger than prot warriors in areas worth considering, or even than DPS warriors using defensive stance and one hander+shield while they off tank for a short period of time.
my personal goal is really just to lay out as many facts as possible so people know what they are getting into regardless of what specs they play, but a lot of people just get super offended by it
royal fossil
ive lately been going over all the healers to see which one to play
remote lance
if you just want to heal priest seems to be the most obvious choice, priest/paladin if alliance
im not overly impressed by druids and shaman in vanilla
royal fossil
feels like blizzard only really cared about good dps stuff cause all the healer rotations are really trash
druid healing touch bot
pally holy light bot
remote lance
yeah, hots weren't really that great, and if im going to spam healing touch rank 4 all day why not just play a priest that can do the same thing
but with a shorter casting time
royal fossil
shammy spam chaim heal and do totems
remote lance
class mechanics are pretty bad in general, not even just healers
it was a exploratory stage then so it's not a big deal, but it really isn't good for anyone
royal fossil
i think the spec that worked the worst in the game was enhancement shaman
the tank lol
dense bronze
@royal fossil " literally everything is already known" classic beta proved this statement to be wrong
dense bronze
There were things that people thought were "already known" that were proven to be wrong, the biggest one is probably hit and weapon skill
Will most likely be more surprises once people reach 60
Some of the information people sit on today is based on emulator data which in some parts are made up, all though at best effort
theorycrafting weren't as good in vanilla as it is today
faint frigate
all my friends are picking classes that are not taurens. gotta level by myself to 15 till RFC
dense bronze
Their loss
faint frigate
yeah im still playing druid!!
cold moth
I can't play anything but tauren
I just love their starting area too much
Ugly wyvern cats unite
dense bronze
Mulgore is nice, all though slightly annoying to run so far everywhere, but still nice
I'm thinking its probably going to be the least congested starting area as well
cold moth
Yeah it's a bit big but it's so nice and relaxing. People seem to be nicer there too
dense bronze
Who doesn't like big friendly cows
cold moth
I'm so excited ahh I need to take a 10 day nap
faint frigate
yeah i like leveling in mulgore
remote lance
on the other hand there will be 2 billion hunters and rogues in Shadowglen
cold moth
I like shadowglen but mulgore is so peaceful
cold moth
I miss this fat bear
mental crystal
oof owie my polygons
cold moth
The cat is even worse
Nelf gets such a nice cat
Nice sleek blue cat and we get ugly ass cat
cold moth
lol
wild marlin
meager adder
No priest pala, screw the light
It's either hunter, rogue or druid
I wish druid wasn't underwhelming af
gusty nebula
covert rover
yeah it's pinned already
limber hollow
Not picking druid is a sin
royal fossil
if im the only druid in the raid
would that be enough leverage that they would let me go feral?
🤔
cold moth
Do it
remote lance
No because you will just get replaced by scrolls
Unless you at least spec imotw
Or an alt logging in and out =x
On a more serious note I think you are fine if of you really want to assuming raid slot is not that competitive
karmic juniper
you can literally play druid at the very highest level in classic if you want
just depends on what your guild thinks
polar vine
thats it
that wil be my niche
ill stay guildless
and advertisement my dps in trade
royal fossil
i honestly feel like a lot of people will just not be competitive at all
everyone is talking about how some classes are really strong and stuff
but balancing honestly feels better than current retail
on retail its just pally healer top everywhere with disc priest doing a bit more damage but way less healing
mental crystal
but balancing honestly feels better than current retail
shut the actual fuck up lmao
royal fossil
well im only really looking at healers
;(
i mean
the only really strong class would be priest
cause if you stack multiple pallies only one will have the healing that the big pally logs show
noble forge
its not close no
young latch
How is balancing of any aspect of the game better than retail @royal fossil
noble forge
retail is a lot better
young latch
What the actuall fuck
mental crystal
balancing is good as long as the spec i want to play performs well 
royal fossil
just as a healer point of view retail is just complete garbage balance
noble forge
classic is worse
royal fossil
at least you have real utility to make up for it in classic
mental crystal
it's not even a contest
noble forge
ye one druid does
mental crystal
lmfao
noble forge
the strength difference on retail is so low
young latch
@royal fossil please explain the specifics of how retail is garbage healing balance
karmic juniper
i mean healing balance in live is dumb
but vanilla is worse
absorbs and damage reduc cds are broken as fuck
young latch
Sorry should have said worse than retail
fluid sigil
https://gyazo.com/68ffd447b1199620719f3488b78b4d02 it's all paladins and priests
cept u forgot about M+ content as well
young latch
What is that screenshot from it has 0 context
fluid sigil
rdruids are still kings in 5 man content is my point
noble forge
the issue of those stats
royal fossil
where does that leave shammy tho
royal fossil
and hpriest is just like youre trolling compared to disc
young latch
All specs in retail are viable for literally all content in the tqm4
Game
Right now
karmic juniper
shaman is still perfectly viable though
fluid sigil
but yeah the top end of raids is dominated by priests/paladins but that doesn't mean other specs aren't going to be played at the top end of something else
karmic juniper
i personally think looking at the very highest end of either game is just stupid
young latch
If you compare retail and live you can't just only look at the very very top end
You have to compare things holistically
noble forge
at the very top people would only play one class even if its only a 1% difference
karmic juniper
people at the very top play the better classes even if doing so is literally a net loss
because they want to fotm their class even if they're worse with it
looking at the top is just useless really
fluid sigil
all healers are viable in live was literally what I was trying to say
it's just I used druid as an example because that guy said it was all paladins and priests
and literally just used one form of content in live
when theres a lot more than that to being "viable"
karmic juniper
oh yea i agree
i was just saying i think looking at the top is useless because i assumed he was saying priest/paladin are best because that's what you see top guilds using
doesn't really matter anyway
you can clear all content in retail because it's balanced enough and you can clear all content in vanilla because it's easy enough
still gonna play feral in vanilla 
neon gull
so how is durid in pvp 
neon gull
remote lance
balance doesn't exist at all in vanilla so that's a very bold claim
heck, I don't even think they cared about spec balance until Wrath
torpid inlet
you mean after they realized DKs were beyond op 
remote lance
oh man, unholy DK tank for the first couple of week was hilarious
good DR ridiculous AoE damage and snap aggro
made 10man 3 drake so much easier
polar vine
dk in classic was op
remote lance
i can't complain about Wrath though, Feral dps was broken as fuck for the first time
until Shadowmourn really
neon gull
i kindly remember the perma slow from cancer wounds as a hunter
and not being able to do anything because of deadzone against ferals in wotlk
lone bear
ferals had the disease slow right?
remote lance
ferals didn't have any slow, just root and feral charge root
polar vine
ye thought it was BC
fluid sigil
used to also be physical 
remote lance
was it? i thought it was alwasy disease
fluid sigil
yeh in wrath I definitely remember it being physical and undispellable
fluid sigil
I dont remember it being that high however I do remember not being able to shift roots anymore or powershift in general
neon gull
it was a talent in cata iirc
and it was 35% per point
or was that rogue's cripplin poison
fuck lol
fluid sigil
crippling was 70% for ages
mystic haven
can't wait to become the biggest annoyance in the open world and wsg 😂
meager adder
So feral is the most viable spec? Maybe resto better but among boom and feral, I guess boom is not viable
old crater
I'm def going resto
Well I'm actually gonna aim to be ready to play any of the specs lol
cold moth
Do you know what - go with what's fun. If you wanna be chicken go for it. I'm probably going to be a bear
covert rover
goosy pls
and yeah.. it's vanilla.. don't try to aim so much for fotm or optimal
just go with what you think might be fun.. as long as you're ok with not all people accepting you
but vanilla servers were smaller too since you only played with people from your own realm really.. so a lot of people just went with nice players because you want those that abide to the general loot rules and such
lone bear
Or rather any people accepting, I have many memories of people going Oh hey! A druid. Healer?
Am gonna be kitty whether they like it or not!
karmic juniper
@covert rover i'm not even joking
i'm literally going moonkin
my guild is letting me
moonkin can heal anyway
in dungeons
karmic juniper
i mean the only spec that is actually decent is bear
by that logic you'll feel bad no matter what
balance resto or cat
covert rover
yeah.. i jsut aim to have fun
karmic juniper
the content is so easy
covert rover
so cat for me
karmic juniper
you can play whatever with your friends and it's fun
covert rover
indeed
karmic juniper
nah
covert rover
aye.. would be rather hurtful
i think i just end up solo leveling
because everybody i know will level faster than me
especially if servers are full
we end up moving outof shazz from the look of it.. looks to be too overloaded.. but they prolly tell that in the ama
sterile eagle
Hi guys, i want to ask about viability of Feral in Classic. i didnt play classic and my friends say that they no one seriously played Feral. Will that be the same now?
young latch
Yes
sterile eagle
:/
remote lance
depends. How many days are you willing to spend living in gnomergan?
whole swan
Doesnt it take 15mins max to hit lockout cap for gnomeregan?
Could be alot worse of a farm
noble forge
And you get on averge Like 3? In the Lockout
whole nimbus
Also going to play boomie, its w/e, juzt have fun guys :D
near mirage
I remember Gnomeregan taking forever, not "15 mins to cap" =P lol.
but maybe now people are skipping the entire place? not sure.
Besides that.. I was feral, I am feral, I will be feral. Got my name saved and ready to suffer all over again. lol
near mirage
I remember not being able to use items while kitty, but I might be wrong.
noble forge
You have to Shift anyway
lone bear
For Gnomeregan, you had 2 entrances. Back entrance was much quicker to get to and from pummeller, also in classic there was no lockout was there? Will that be implemented at launch or?
remote lance
There wasn't at very beginning but 5 per hour was put in fairly shortly after
Because of gathering farming I believe
near mirage
Yep. I just didn't consider farming at max level for something I completely forgot about and thought wouldn't work =P
lol.
the limit to using items in shapeshift might also not be in the version used for Classic.. I didn't get to try the beta, but I really hope so.
noble forge
pretty sure you couldnt use items in shapeshift
arctic rune
Guys the crit% aura from moonkin in your caster group, do you think its worth having? Assume a supportive moonkin that innervates the mage
near mirage
ouch. =\ that's one thing I really don't miss of release. Being unable to drink a potion without shifting back to caster was meh.
arctic rune
But that wont be an issue now
There is a macro for shift potion shift thats nealy instant?
near mirage
energy?
remote lance
No. Auras are group wide and your personal dps loss is more than the buff you give. However that's also assuming people get properly geared
And there probably wont be enough people competing for raid slots for even moderate min max to happen
arctic rune
Ppl just take whatever they can get haha
I do wanna play chicken, but i dont wana be a meme .-. Might wait till BC servers for that
remote lance
They are still bad then
karmic juniper
you're a giant chicken that does half the dps if not less than the top specs
you're a meme
arctic rune
Yer but not a meme like in vanilla tho
remote lance
I just dont think min max in a 15 year old game matters that much
It definitely still is
static tulip
quick question, why don't people treat melee weapons the same as wands? Like on my Lock I DOT up the target then I wand it to death. Why isn't it the same to say I am going to DOT up the target and melee it to death?
karmic juniper
what matters is if your guild is ok with it, because you can very easily do all of the vanilla content with a moonkin
mystic haven
min maxing in vanilla seems absurd to me
mystic haven
just have fun with what you like
arctic rune
It would be fine of the difference was 10% who cares but its not
mystic haven
yeah yeah, chicken is meme, but if you wann ahave fun with it just go for it, doesn't matter
remote lance
It's not absurd if you cant kill a boss. It's just a lot harder to actually reroll
People keep thinking there's no min max back then when that's not the case. You just cant tell someone to make another toon and be raid geared in 2 weeks
near mirage
Orfieus: you totally can staff them to death if you so chose. =P
mystic haven
I have a hard time remembering a boss that you couldn't kill because you had 1 dps that was far behind
near mirage
the two twins in AQ?
mystic haven
plus now people are more ''advanced'' bosses are way easier
remote lance
It always depends on what gear level you get there as
arctic rune
Well moonkin also does buff the caster group, its not entirelly without point
mystic haven
yups
remote lance
Remember the cthun math meme? Imagine being a bad dps spec in that situation
arctic rune
But this dmg increase is nothing like a windfury right
karmic juniper
you realize the bosses die in like 60 seconds right 
you doing bad damage doesn't matter
just caring about the raid group and showing up is what matters
remote lance
Yeah. Attendance
karmic juniper
from what i've looked at
you can keep up your mana for quite a while assuming you have consumables and stuff
and with good downranking you can 100% keep your mana going
remote lance
Moonkin scaling just sucks with or without mana
arctic rune
If it was 60 seconds truly all specs would be great, shaman dmg too
karmic juniper
no
arctic rune
Cant be 60
covert rover
good thing feral have rake
karmic juniper
because your damage is still just worse than others
covert rover
with its superior vanilla scaling
karmic juniper
even if you don't run out of mana
covert rover
:)))
remote lance
No. Your damage still sucks just that the shorter a fight is the less it matters
mystic haven
if it's worse and he doesn't like being so slow dmg, he'll specc hismelf in feral
covert rover
1 min fights defo helps on that
near mirage
Oh I thought you were going to make a joke.. we have rake, so we can clean up the feathers all boomkins tear off their heads trying to dps..
remote lance
.....
karmic juniper
of course but i won't make you comparable to a warrior rogue or mage
mystic haven
I dunno, this is the perfect opportunity to enjoy the game however you want it
arctic rune
Well but those classes dont offer brez either
They cant be comparable wouldnt be fair
karmic juniper
a brez is nothing compared to doing half the damage of another dps
but it's not like it matters either way
you can do the content as anything you want
arctic rune
I mean yeah its not a real argument ur right ofc
near mirage
depends on how good is the top dps at staying alive. Maybe they tunnel bad and die.. you bringing them back up is worth more than your missing 50%?
arctic rune
I do wish community perception was more on point tho bcos chickeb would be fun
mystic haven
you wanna have fun? roll what you want. you wanna be competitive dmg? roll something else, that easy
near mirage
in some guilds that is a thing >.>
remote lance
Why do people always want to assume a God hybrid vs a bad pure?
If anything the person that's really good probably want to play a good spec to further that contribution
karmic juniper
right
assuming everyone in the raid is playing really well
you want like 2 druids max
and they wouldn't be dpsing
assuming you have the perfect raid comp with perfect players
but actually doing that in reality is just dumb
mystic haven
this ^
karmic juniper
the content is easy
play what you want
if you have guildies who you're friends with you can do all the content from level 1 to naxx
i don't know if i'd recommend playing moonkin if you don't have a guild you're comfortable with though
arctic rune
One issue u cant bypass through that is the gearing though
Cos gearing chicken would be lols
karmic juniper
what about it
yea you might be one of the last to get gear
so what
if you won't have fun because you think you won't get gear
remote lance
Gearing moonkin is the same clothies
karmic juniper
then don't play moonkin
remote lance
Yep
karmic juniper
my guild is going to have 2 ferals and a moonkin
we'll be fine
just there to have fun
near mirage
iirc there was no bonus to wearing the proper armor class until way later, right?
karmic juniper
yea you can wear any armor type
and no bonus or disadvantage outside of less armor
arctic rune
Im quite on the fence about it, i also imagine chicken isnt that awful in dungeons
And there wont be that many raiders either
arctic rune
U cant heal in the owl form tho right?
remote lance
No
polar vine
?
young latch
@main marsh how are you getting it a week early?
near mirage
Random... I was thinking what professions to take, had a squee "omg lifeblood!" moment, then made myself sad when I realized that was in Wrath, not vanilla ç_ç
many years all packed up in "once upon a time", it's difficult to remember what was when. >.< lol.
noble forge
in wrath lifeblood was shit
mystic haven
agrreed, I thought infected wounds was a vanilla talent 😂🤣😂
torpid inlet
i just remembered dire bear form was a thing
near mirage
Eh, running alchemy+herbalism, the free haste to pair with your burst window was nice. shrugs To each their own I guess.
also tauren druid getting on everyone's nerves while gathering because we'd beat everyone at picking, that was fun too.
but yeah, it's not in Classic so won't have to worry about profession perks for a long, long time =P lol.
noble forge
lifeblood did not give haste
near mirage
In cata it did. Correct, sorry.
again remembering things mashed together from years ago.
At its best, it was a chunk of heal + haste buff.
and it gave flowers growing around you which was neat anyway =P
covert rover
ye.. the optical was pretty nice
polar vine
looks like feral might be decent in pre-60 bgs for early HWL/GM
if you can do the right quests
whole swan
Isnt pre bgs be a bastard and camp flight paths all day?
Just farming people in the 50 zones. Will be absolute hell for slow people
polar vine
on toxic realms yeah
dense bronze
Oh you better make sure you are at 60 already when phase 2 launches
polar vine
for what
dense bronze
50+ gives honor
not going to be fun trying to reach 60 on a PVP server during phase 2 because of that
vocal halo
greys shouldnt award honor
remote lance
Well 48 will give 60 honor
So
I doubt honor farming will change thatch though. World pvpers dont do it for the honor anyway
fallow wasp
@arctic rune Chicken is fine, but sucks for Molten Core. Its completely great for all dungeons, but you will be outclassed by most, but its still competitive enough. Raids you are gonna do like 40% of most peoples damage. Less than half. But Chicken value is very high after MC because mages go Fire. Ignite stacking is why you see mages at massive DPS, when in reality they are the same as warlocks, heck even hunters do more damage than mages in MC. Your very low dps now inflates mages massive epeen for topping the damage meters, and only makes you about 25% less effective of another dps, which is made up by your utility that you bring for situational cheese.
Its very hard to judge the power of a class in vanilla based on raw numbers, which is what lots of people will mistake. Even though chicken is completely fine to take, since you dont need the added utility in the top 0.1% because the utility is more "I F*d up" based, most people wont see the value in one because the top of the top dont need one.
noble forge
Most dont See the value in one cause moonkins are worse you Take one if that Guy is reliable and you Like him Not because its worth it
faint frigate
So are druids not that good in classic? I see everyone saying they can dps tank and heal but they don't excel at any?? I wanna play boomy/resto hybrid is that even a thing??
faint frigate
Ik boomy in general isn't a thing
noble forge
Sure you can clear content but you will Be a lot weaker
faint frigate
But u go like 33/27 or something
noble forge
You have 51 points
noble forge
For PvP you can prolly Play stomething Like that
Would have to Change stuff but probably fine to Go moonkin With ns
But for pve it Looks Bad
faint frigate
Wat i play for pve then? I never played classic only hear storys
But I don't wanna touch tank. Or don't really wanna cat. Something with resto/boomy
But no boomy so idkkk
I can look when I play others will test stuff as well
noble forge
Not Sure what proper resto build exactly is
But some resto moonkin Hybrid isnt very good
faint frigate
😥
I'm excited though
Should be fun
What are druids good for?
Nothing??? Haha
Is swiftmend not good?? Bottom of resto talent tree?
noble forge
I think it isnt too good no
Druids are okay you have a buff only class with Battle rezz
One Druid is mandatory in a raid
faint frigate
I'll be that dudu
noble forge
Gotta Put Up faerie fire!
noble forge
Your dots are too weak
faint frigate
Yeah rip
noble forge
Nah
faint frigate
As in no dots haha
young latch
I kno2
noble forge
No rip
faint frigate
Wat??
faint frigate
So wats the point of playing 1??
young latch
Then heal a dude with tank 2 healing touch
So that you can help others
That's all druids are good for then after nd
Mc
After mc you a fire mage crit buff
That's all you are
young latch
Molten core
noble forge
Every class has a very Basic Rotation and Skill set
young latch
Cause fire doesn't work in mc
noble forge
Druid isnt special
noble forge
Mages for example only use frostbolt in mc with some situations of dispelling curses
faint frigate
Fun Haha
noble forge
But not really anything Else your only dmging spell is frostbolt
young latch
You know I want classic with some changes is that so bad
One big one is debuff limit
faint frigate
So we don't Have a full resto build or full boomy build where u spam wrath and Star fire. And weave in some staff melees ?
young latch
Druid is the jack of all trades and master of none
young latch
And that moonkin is working dam hard for what warriors and rogues just shit out
faint frigate
Yikes guess druids bad
noble forge
Nah
noble forge
Ret enh ele Arms are the same basically
Resto is the best Druid specc but Not Sure how the Talent Setup exactly is
noble forge
Ehhh
faint frigate
I love druids
noble forge
About that
faint frigate
MonkaS
noble forge
The best Druid specc Not best healer
faint frigate
Priests win that
noble forge
Shamans palas have a lot better utility
remote lance
Resto shaman also suck compared to any paladin spec at healing
faint frigate
horde though
remote lance
Because lol paladin
noble forge
Pala is imo best healer
remote lance
Only expansion where alliance is better than horde at raiding
They are by far best st healee
They have zero aoe healing though
noble forge
Blessings are op
faint frigate
Rshammy?
noble forge
Just salv alone
remote lance
Resto shaman are ok
But paladin and priest so much stronger
Bonus points for priest call on nefarian
dense bronze
Priest are usually considered better overall, but paladin is stupid efficient and can just stand there spamming
You want both
remote lance
Yeah. Even ret spec paladin without illumination can last for a long time
limber hollow
Druid ofc
faint frigate
Does anyone have a druid gear list?? Ik there's a lot of gear we can pick from. I found 1 but idk if it's legit
And pre raid gear aswell
dense bronze
Healing is probably the most balanced aspect of vanilla, you want all of the healers in your raid as they are all decent in their own way
faint frigate
good point!
idle tinsel
Will guardian/feral be viable in classic. I only started playing druid in tbc. Been one ever since and wonder if I should play it so I have played feral in all raids
faint frigate
Hahaha
fallow wasp
@idle tinsel Feral is "viable" at naxx, but its still less than half the damage of a warrior and like half the damage of mage/lock/rogue. Its straight up not viable pre naxx unless you go tank, which is actually very good at, but raid bosses are not possible due to getting 1 shot.
fallow wasp
Yea it wont get 1 shot once geared much, but in first progression its very sketchy
Its better than warrior tbh for dungeons and stuff cause it causes more threat
karmic juniper
it is viable
because the content is so easy
you can get away with a guild having some specs like feral
whole swan
Tanking raid bosses is possible even early on. Dunno where the 1 shot thing comes from
balmy olive
do you have to keep the pumeller equipped for the 50% attackspeed buff?
i mean im almost certain you do but i cant find the info anywhere
rare anchor
I didn't try it on the beta as I didn't have access but private servers had to keep it equipped.
finite berry
Anyone who leveled a druid in vanilla that can help me out here? Gonna level alongside some friends and gonna be the main healer of the group, do I absolutely have to spec into resto while leveling, or can I afford to spec feral and just keep some spirit/int gear for dungeons?
I understand the necessity to have the mana regen while casting talent, but it's available pretty early on
karmic juniper
you don't need resto spec to heal dungeons
young latch
@finite berry you can heal dungeons quite effectively with 0 talents all the way up to 60
finite berry
Thanks guys, will make my leveling less painful
young latch
Live your best life
balmy spear
Geez
young latch
Also you healing once you hit 60?
balmy spear
I forgot about that single spec thing
young latch
Lol
whole swan
Good luck with ressing though if you have no priest pally sham in dungeon group 😂
young latch
It's expensive to change specs too
finite berry
one of the guys is gonna be a shaman, so that is covered
young latch
Noice
finite berry
yeah I'm thinking of going full resto at 60
gonna read up and watch a bunch of videos, I recall it being pretty nuanced and easy to fuck up
finite berry
ok, but I still need to look up what the ''correct'' rank of HT is for whatever gear level
whole swan
Rank 4 or something when you get the gear for it
Dont think you use max ranks unless it's for natures swiftness or something
finite berry
even at full tier 1 and 2 people still just spam rank 4?
whole swan
Tier sets are a trap also for most. It's not likely best for ya
You get x amount of bonus healing or whatever then your ready and just sit and spam healing touch and give the priests innervate. Ayyy
finite berry
huh, neat
my time in classic was very brief and apart from Upper Blackrock, didn't get to raid
I love dungeon healing as a druid, but I'm thinking I'll get bored in raids now
upside is, it will likely be underplayed at first, because people will want the most viable classes as their mains, ie warriors, rogues, priests and mages
so more chances to receive druid gear in raids
noble forge
@balmy olive not sure if you do but I imagine you would have to equip the next one quite fast
finite berry
any idea if faceshredding/facestabbing gonna be a thing in classic?
young latch
It will not be a thing in classic
It was only a thing in private servers because of weird lag stuff
It's never been a thing in live wow
dense bronze
front shredding was due to a bug in a family of emulators and not a intentional design
limber hollow
In Classic Feral being strong is a bug, not a feature
remote lance
Toxic
limber hollow
dense bronze
New English PVP realm added in EU: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-realm-coming-for-wow-classic/71864
New east/west coast PVP realms added in NA: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/new-realms-coming-for-wow-classic/259109
covert rover
Hype
hoary ember
im thinking of playing boomy
slate pecan
remote lance
Do it as long as you know what to expect
gritty mural
@hoary ember if you heal PvE and PvP as boomy that seems fine to me
You could go moonglow spec
wooden abyss
arctic rune
I have a feeling that ppl are overemphasising these, what 2 mechanic raid bosses
So many ppl are rolling raid-performing classes, but even all the meme specs can feel OP in pvp
Not to mention the raids wont actually need a perfect comp right
And even then ppl will probably like ur moonkin making them parse higher with the crit like
Do it, ive decided on it
young latch
its just the accumulation of 15 years of memorys on the game and the way the game is now compared to before, no matter how the game actually is the social side of things means ppl will decline meme specs and you will be less likley to have as much fun in the game if you want to raid as a moonkin for example
if you dont allready have a guild you are pretty fucked if you want to play most druid specs
arctic rune
Many of my guildies are going to play, but we arent 40, its just that ppl are specifically talking about these raids
And these raids are kinda faceroll from what ive gathered
Atleast untill later
young latch
even if they are faceroll
even if they are super easy
most guilds will still deny a moonkin or feral
arctic rune
Oh i get u like ppl are just like that, outside a guild envoronment
Haha i know that XD
young latch
because they "allready have a druid or 2"
and you dont need more than that
and it dosent matter at all about how the game really is its opinionsn that matter
half of balancing and game design is managing opinions
tall belfry
Should set up an all Druid Guild for classic. Who needs class buffs. Just 80 man the Raid Rebirth spam. ;D
arctic rune
I wonder how many ppl will be available for the raids, if there arent enough ppl attuned, noone will decline u :D
Best to lvl fast
karmic juniper
literally any raid that people pug in either version of wow
is easy as hell
people still decline specs they consider bad regardless of the player themselves
because people are dumb
they think class matters more than skill
honest laurel
noble forge
@karmic juniper to be fair If you invite random Players you cant really judge Skill and especially for dps you usually have a bunch of Options May aswell Take better speccs
karmic juniper
@noble forge yea ofc
but i just mean like
if someone is raider rank in a good guild or links you high level achievements
and you decline them from heroic or something
noble forge
People for sure Tunnel way too hard on speccs
karmic juniper
that's prob the scariest part of vanilla wow
how the hell are you going to know if someone is good
sure the content is easy but dumb people will find a way to make anything hard
noble forge
just ask them how they'd feel about glyph of stars in vanilla
and if they want it you dont take them
karmic juniper
i'll ask them what they think is more difficult
mythic azshara
or molten core
if they say molten core insta decline
polar vine
🤔 🤔 🤔
main marsh
There are big dragons in mc 
noble forge
are there?
main marsh
graceful turret
proper siren
I mean that's most fights in mc. Add one or two "if your the bomb debuff, gtfo" and uh...what focus the healing mobs first? Bam, thats MC
whole swan
Do people even claim MC was hard? People aint playing classic cause its hard
noble forge
some people claim raids are hard, however havent heard that MC was hard yet
whole swan
Show me people claiming it was harder lol
It clearly wasnt, getting rank 14 was something i would consider hard
orchid hedge
they're all over the place, ingame, on classic general chat(s), on social media