ah yeah think it was
#classic
remote lance
i played as NE so i actually didn't touch most of eastern kingdoms back in vanilla
the quest to get aquatic form absolutely wrecked me because you get the quest at level 16 but they make you run through wetlands, a 20 zone
and the pearl was annoying as hell to find
whole swan
All part of vanilla fun sending you all over the dam world
remote lance
everything was new at the time so it wasn't really an issue. Sending you through potentially skull mobs isn't a great feeling though
looking back i definitely am doubly glad i played on a pve server though
dense bronze
wetlands death march is a rite of passage
whole swan
I think most will just cheese the wetlands run with the graveyard spawn and drowning now though
Nothing like the hell of running all way through getting hunted down by crocs
remote lance
and grass elemental dudes that i still don't know wtf they are
dense bronze
Or just wait until higher levels, not a lot of reason to rush it
remote lance
yeah there's no whale form so who cares
whole swan
Other races have to go straight to NELF starter zone right so they can get tiger mount i think?
if thats why they are doing it
remote lance
speaking of which i hope they kept the bug that you can jump in lava, go aquatic, jump out and not turn back
it was great
dense bronze
That is the way to do it if you want mount without farming cloth for the rest of your life Shift
remote lance
isn't that the essence of vanilla though
whole swan
Just curious now to see how many servers blizz starts with
remote lance
i remember grinding cloth in felwood just because i ran out of quests
whole swan
I think demand at start will be huge ( and a large majority of them will quit when they realise they dont like it )
remote lance
so i was just killing satyrs
dense bronze
Hard to say, i'm sure they have put a lot of thought into that themselves
Getting a accurate amount is critical of the success of the server
remote lance
i had to fund a bunch of people's arcane crystal for naxx because they can't afford it
smh
and i farmed gravemoss in SM monastery for loatheb
dense bronze
They mentioned they wanted to cap the number of layers per server as well, so that should in theory should limit the potenial problem of having too many players on a server once layering is turned off
remote lance
looking back i did a lot of stuff so others don't need to
whole swan
😄
remote lance
you're always the loser when you care more than others
dense bronze
Such is life
remote lance
my guild had a super fucked up DKP system too and it doesn't decay/reset
so veterans are permanently rich, it's great
dense bronze
Ah good old times, one system more flawed than the other
remote lance
and items are arbitrarily priced, which was great for me because all the stuff I wanted (+healing and armor stuff) are super cheap
because people are dumb and only wanted tier pieces
like the healing shoulders from domo chest is 25% the price of Cenarion
why the fuck would anyone want Cenarion pieces anyway
i'm surprised that loot council is actually the norm now given how much people think they'll get fucked over by corrupt inner circles
whole swan
Back then probably just to have full set thinking it was the bis 😄
remote lance
pretty much and it made no sense for me. All of our druids except me and warlocks fell into DKP debt pretty fast because they'll just grab all the tier pieces
and we know that "Felheart and Cenarion dropped all the time"
dense bronze
Really isn't one perfect solution to it, everything have pros and cons
remote lance
for sure. Honestly my favorite way of dealing with loot was when i raided 10 man in cata with a core from my old 25 man tbc guild
we just talked over who would get the most benefit with everyone
whole swan
Loot is bad enough with 20 people right now
Sorting out 3-4 items between 40 people gonna be hell
remote lance
it's fixed for the most part, boss dependant
whole swan
And even worse if theres less
remote lance
my favorite part is always our GM crying about rogue pants not dropping and going "OMG WARLOCK AND DRUID AGAIN"
i think the only tier piece i actually dkp bombed (because i always had the most because all my items were cheap) was for 6 piece bonus in naxx? That's the rej granting resource bonus right?
dense bronze
Best was it when it dropped paladin (if you were horde) or shaman (if you were alliance) tier
completely useless
remote lance
oh yeah for sure. That was also hilarious
i had to take a few items despite not wanting them because people think i'm hoarding
because it's my fault that 1. you price everything i want so cheaply because you're bad at knowing what's good and 2. Blizzard sucks at designing good tier pieces for druids
gritty mural
Can u play boomkin in pve ? Back in the day all druids were resto
I wanna pvp as boomy
cold moth
i remember seeing one or two in casual guilds that did BWL but i think it was one of the worst specs in game
gritty mural
Hm I’ll just save money for respecs and do 5mans one week and pvp the next
gritty mural
I don’t plan on doing anything hardcore mostly pvp and bwl
I don’t even think bwl was released when I hit 60 I remember being in mc for months
lone bear
everyone thought feral was rubbish, didnt help that blizz said hybrid classes were damage nerfed
everyone always asked druids to be healer in dungeon
pearl agate
It was rubbish, there is no thinking
polar vine
Is that still a thing
remote lance
No ml allowed in vanilla only dkp
jaunty hamlet
Feral was worth in vanilla, as dps class? And who was counter in pvp?
pearl agate
No it wasn’t worth
jaunty hamlet
Guess to much effort for not much resoult...
covert rover
sun - no.. it was a vanilla/tbc thing
with the hybrid tax
if that was the question
jaunty hamlet
Fk that, feral druid should be predator
gritty mural
I’m super excited for classic suddenly lol
heady crow
Hasnt feral been proven to be viable dps in classic?
I thought all the PS stuff found them to be viable in a specific fashion
pearl agate
PS =/= classic server
A lot of things on PS were wrong, so until any of it can be done on an authentic server there’s no way to go with any of it
polar vine
Even with smooth brain private server math feral dps wasnt viable
Going from 3 to 6 seems okay except when you realize the top is a 20 not a 10 lmao
peak mulch
The trick to Feral DPS is that you have to farm like 87 Crowd Pummelers before each raid and chain smoke those suckers. At least, that's what I heard.
covert rover
Yeah
That helps
Probably still going to be shit dps
Just not as shit
We’ll see when we actually get to play at lvl 60
polar vine
The trick is being the 1 feral picked for the group buff
Pugs or guilds who kjow they can 1 shot will maximize open slots, 34 or 35. And prolly sell the rest.
remote lance
being the 1 feral for people trying to parse in vanilla world that didn't have wol/wcl
because im pretty sure you still have higher DPS without a feral, like in TBC's melee group where it's rogue/rogue/totemtwistingenhshaman/warrior/notaferalprobablya3rdrogue
feral might have been ok in the GoA group with the 3 BM hunters, not sure
dire scroll
decided to roll druid on launch . was curious if the cat weaving playstyle is possible in classic, 5 man groups/pvp. so many different talent combinations available has me really excited.
polar vine
yeah lots of diff talent combinations
arctic nest
dense bronze
I don't see how we are supposed to be able to do that
rancid frigate
Does anyone know if the crowd pummeler actually worked for feral FPS in vanilla?
covert rover
It did
polar vine
@covert rover can u back that info up with p server analysis? 🤔 🤔
pearl agate
covert rover
Pls 😦
Remember a friend using them for additional agro on feral
No way in hell im going to farm that
Then I could as well roll warlock if I want to always grind stuff in for any kind of encounter 😦
cold moth
Friend who mained enha/resto hybrid for raids and did oddball things like using ravager with rockbiter to generate some nifty aoe dps on thrash and p1 nefarian tried the crowdpummeler on a feral alt in Vanilla, but it was the pretbc patch so can't confirm if it worked 1.12
tough edge
It worked in the closed beta that just ended, Sodapoppin used it in the duels he did
gritty mural
I’m just gonna be a cloth wearing boomkin who innervates myself , reeee so much content gonna get done
cold moth
People say having no rez is bad thing. I say its nice to afk after wipe
Or having people try harder to survive else they would have to corpserun
gritty mural
Anyone play Druid in classic? Can I level up resto or should I go boomy
I was a ice wizard
solar stream
@gritty mural feral was best for solo lvling from my knowledge but I'd recommend restoferal if ur doing dungeons aswell
covert rover
yeah.. neither boomy or resto will be fun leveling as
feral is a good spec for it
but you'll see how it would be not leveling as feral for the first 20 levels
because you won't have catform before that
gritty mural
Would it be smart to go skinning leatherworking and feral to tank and dps dungeons to level
solar stream
id say thats a solid combo
but keep in mind if you want to raid realy hardcore you're prob gonna want to drop those 2 for herb and alchemy
unless you wanna lvl an alt
at 60 ofc
personaly id say restokitty is better for leveling
since you can pull a bit more
but 10-20 you're gonna wanna get furor to 5 first i believe then go into boomkin and get omen of clarity
for feral lvling
gritty mural
I plan to go resto end game and try boomy in pvp, but I don’t want to cry leveling so I’ll prbly go feral leveling lol gonna have to farm gold 4 hours a day
solar stream
herbs sell like cocaine from what i remember
covert rover
yeah.. leveling is a huge part of classic so yeah. .you really wanna pick feral
and then swap to whatever you want in the end
gritty mural
Since I’m playing with friends I’ll prbly just spec balance Druid and heal dungeons with an int set just talked to a friend and he’s going feral while leveling
Prbly gonna hate my life tho
I might just spec resto while leveling for the ultimate pain train
gritty mural
Yea I’m not tryna be world first or even raid so I’ll just be a goofy resto Druid
Then at max level I’ll steal all the cloth spell dmg gear from mages :3
vague iris
so you going boomy in the end?
gritty mural
Yea once wsg is released imma try it out
stealth roots etc
I’ll prbly queue with a mage or rogue tho for raw dmg
Coordinated roots and frost mage slows sound like it’ll do work on melee
I doubt boomy will work in pve if I have to innervate the healer
gritty mural
Just read that a guy only did dungeons and had 11 days played time at lvl 44 lol nvm
covert rover
he might be spending time waiting too
honestly can't remember how it was
i did both of it
from 42 or so i just leveled from morning to night to get to 60
bu that was purely questing. .before that it was more mixed
morning to night to get about a lvl pr day dat is <.<
it's just slow leveling no matter what.. especially if you don't know it all
chrome nova
Because the game isnt only about the endgame -.-
dense bronze
Dungeon leveling is only worth it if you have a fixed good group
orchid hedge
looking at the rotation guides for classic shudder
im so interested to see how many people actually stick with it once it launches
covert rover
A lot of people that just are tired of retail is going in with friends that also are tired.. so probably a lot will stop after a little while.. but yeah. .will be interresting to see how many actually will keep on playing
orchid hedge
speaking from experience as someone with a lot of friends who started in wrath, and many who started in legion, they think i'm joking about vanilla and most of the mechanics
dense bronze
It will be quite the change for people who have only played newer expansions
It might as well be a completely different game that just looks some what similar and it won't be for everyone
And there is really nothing wrong with that, we all have different opinions on what we think is a good game
covert rover
yeah.. i like both
but i like a lot of the things that has been implemented later on
but i also miss things taking longer at times.. i miss individual challenges.. things that actualy had to be done in groups in world
orchid hedge
what do you consider more challenging in vanilla than what exists in retail?
pearl agate
Getting 40 people to log on
pearl agate
The game was not harder
orchid hedge
i know but people imply it was
pearl agate
Anyone who says Classic was harder is a fucking moron
whole swan
I mean, technically levelling is harder
orchid hedge
"harder"
pearl agate
Better =/= harder
orchid hedge
it isnt hard though it's just time consuming and the classes barely have skills, and some classes even levelling isnt hard
even as a derpydoo 14 year old playing his first mmo i didnt die levelling my rogue other than when i really overdid it
whole swan
Theres more spells in classic then any other expansion im pretty sure, so i dont agree with that
even though over half of them were useless
orchid hedge
and hunter/warlock etc was easy levelling also
pearl agate
Absolutely there is
orchid hedge
are you counting like, ranks
whole swan
Regardless of ranks, so many spells
pearl agate
Available spells
whole swan
Ill agree with you the game isnt really hard, but levelling to max level is in my opinion harder on classic
pearl agate
Warlock had all their dps soells, utiulity spells, but the rebuffs
whole swan
its more punishing and you have to be more careful
Thats the only thing i can think of
orchid hedge
yeah
whole swan
But like molten core, isnt mechanically hard
Getting 40 people to log on and raid, probably is
orchid hedge
but to be fair, i think especially with most people having another 10-15 years of rpg exp under their belt
whole swan
Some guild even struggle now to get 20
orchid hedge
that wont even be hard
covert rover
poly - soloing things
everything now is soloable for any class in game
while you actually had 3-5 man stuff back then
whole swan
Is there even quests now you have to group for?
covert rover
which you only soloed as hunter/lock
whole swan
Like back then it was part of the mmo experience, meeting people and grouping up for harder quests and shit
covert rover
indeed
orchid hedge
i understand that
covert rover
that was a thing i liked
orchid hedge
like i remember having all the quests in i believe it's called jin'thalor in hinterlands
which was basically like a group open world area bit
orchid hedge
i believe so
covert rover
or getting guildies to help.. which made me happy and they were helpful
whole swan
Different mind set for alot of people aswell back then
covert rover
but mostly you could get people to help
whole swan
I was playing enjoying everything, not racing to max level
Just doing whatever i could having fun on the way
orchid hedge
i mean.. blizzard could make end-of-quest-chain mobs in current content take 3-5 people but keep them mechanically the same just buff numbers
dont think it would really be that gripping tbh
more of a bottleneck when levelling when others are not
covert rover
it's very easy to do. .but overall it's seeping through the game that it's made to be a solo experience
if somebody asks for help now they get a bunch of messages that it can be soloed
orchid hedge
i disagree, i think it is more that the floor has been raised in terms of accessibility but also the ceiling
covert rover
because nobody wanna help one that is so fucking bad that he can't even solo soloable content
orchid hedge
playing alone or seperate to a core group is doable and the top tier content is not doable with randoms
whole swan
I wouldnt even want that kind of stuff in the current game
Retail / Classic will have a different appeal
orchid hedge
people in vanilla also had no fucking clue what they were doing
covert rover
yeah.. i like both of games
zero clue
one of the best players of mine started hercarreer as a warrior
orchid hedge
i really do think that the modern mmorpg player who can handle actual mechanics etc
orchid hedge
will literally be like wtf
orchid hedge
i also think a big factor is that many people who played in vanilla are at a completely different point in their lives
orchid hedge
back in the day i just skipped school and spent 18 hours a day playing with friends in no rush chatting on ventrilo
covert rover
yeah i have zero intention of raiding there.. outside of once or twice
i already did it
orchid hedge
i'm 28 now, i can't and don't want to sit being like lfg in cities
whole swan
I think the modern things will change how stuff plays out though, you know theres gonna be addons / discords etc
To find groups and shit. Nothing can really stop that
covert rover
yeah..i'm not going into the game with dedication
i'm going in to have fun with some of my friends
even retail is too much work for me
despite me usually being able to only do it in 10 hours pr week includingraid
but it always amounts to more because i want the best gear
orchid hedge
people make that argument about oh there was more to do than raiding but i mean realistically with all the achievements, transmogs, etc, there are more things to do now than then
covert rover
defo.. tons and tons more
orchid hedge
and considering many specs were objectively dogshit
dense bronze
There were addons in vanilla as well Shift, but all they did was looking for keywords in the LFG channel for you (or post your LFM message)
Addons that recreate any more automation than that will be prevented
orchid hedge
there was more than that
covert rover
true. .there was the master-addon that made you pick your talents in the tree without actually putting them there before yo uaccepted :oooo
whole swan
Yeah of course, i just mean now i wouldnt be suprised if theres addons that completely automate it and just match you with others looking for same
dense bronze
That will be blocked by blizzard
orchid hedge
b-but wasting time literally waiting for groups is fun /s
covert rover
the way we did it was talking with each other
sometimes for hours
while waiting for the group to get going
it was fine
we just socialized more with the pugs
because what else were there to do?
farming herbs and such too.. but ye.. chatting with them
dense bronze
LFG is a key factor for the community feeling
orchid hedge
if i log on to wow im not logging on to not play the game tho
whole swan
I honestly think its gonna be insanely busy on launch, shouldnt be hard to find groups for anything to be honest
covert rover
you would be going with them again if they were good. .so you wanted to be on friendly terms with people in general
whole swan
So many people will be looking, maybe tank shortage will be the problem
dense bronze
If you don't like it you are not forced to do it Pylo, just play retail instead (or not at all)
covert rover
they need to hurry up a bit <.<
well.. i have a great tonk
and i'm going to play feral
so i'm going to do whatever i can to get aggro in catform
and lol at him for not being able to keep it off my shitty dps ass
whole swan
When was the worldwide stress test meant to be?
And still waiting for realm list, so can actually organise which servers to avoid / play on with friends
pearl agate
They said realms would be released a week or so before creation goes live
dense bronze
Think they just said "before" name claim, not any more specific than that
pearl agate
Only for a week
Them everyone will quit
I think I’m just not going to play at launch
School starts the week before
So I may wait a few weeks
dense bronze
Well you are assuming the "big streamers" will quit after just a week?
I'm sure they can milk it for longer :)
pearl agate
No just the peons
whole swan
You are still gonna have the ones who dont quit and im sure they will have big numbers
dense bronze
Those that are there for the streamers will remain there as long as the streamers are active
But this is mostly a potenial US problem anyway since most of the "big streamers" are there
pearl agate
That’s true
covert rover
yay for eu being safe from that shit
dense bronze
Picking servers will be a bit of a gambling regardless, its near impossible to know which server will be "good" and which won't
I would recommend searching around a bit as soon as the realm list is released to see what type of people who seemingly aim for specific servers
Ending up on the "wrong" server could ruin your experience
covert rover
my guys sadly want a pvp realm
which is annoying to me
never enjoyed it much
were fine being pvp flagged practically at all times
but when i had things to do it's nice to be able to turn it off
not that it matters a lot for a druid. .but still >(
dense bronze
If you that's what you think go ahead
karmic juniper
the exact opposite
playing on the same realm as a streamer sounds horrible
especially since they'll all likely play on the same realm
so if you're playing on a realm where like 20 streamers play together
it's going to revolve around them
polar vine
ah yes
the downsides of a healthy and active economy with easy pugging and a community that isnt dead as fuck
karmic juniper
every server has a risk of dying
a server where most of the population plays because of a streamer
dies when the streamer quits
polar vine
thats kinda dumb way of thinking tbh
karmic juniper
assuming classic isn't a complete wash, there are going to be non streamer servers that are perfectly healthy
polar vine
not everyone is going to circle jerk the streamer
they are going to bring numbers to a realm which is good in every single way
polar vine
if its not a wash
im betting on there being a small group of super popular realms
and the rest just backwater wastelands after 3 months
who knows
karmic juniper
yea it'll most likely end up like that
but who knows what servers will end up the popular ones
most streamers will probably quit have clearing molten core and playing a bit more
polar vine
the ones streamers/BE pve'ers go to
aside from those 2 groups, people will only go to X realm by word of mouth, friend, guildie, family etc
karmic juniper
there's nothing wrong with playing on a streamers server
i just think it wouldn't be fun
polar vine
then you will have the late comers who say "if u want q quiet slower community go to X realm"
yeah big guilds who plan to roll str8 classic will either go 1 or the other
youre either going into the competitive scene and chaos or chilling and going to realms that dont blow up
karmic juniper
i don't think hardcore guilds would want to be on a streamer server
dense bronze
Not if they are aiming for scepter
whole swan
Apart from the bug grinding for scepter, what can others screw you over with?
dense bronze
Unhealthy community, uneven PVP
Problematic population that might fluctuate depending on when the "big streamers" are online or not
whole swan
big problem will be queues
if you go on like asmongolds server
its gonna suck to get online
dense bronze
Are there many streamers that can cause major impact? no not really
but there are some that could potentially single-handedly ruin a server
native shell
i would suggest never going on a streamer server, gonna be toxic as hell
whole swan
i think theres quite a few streamers rolling on the same realm also
So that realm will be hell
whole swan
Should be a fun few weeks at least on release
dense bronze
Looking forward to salty forum threads with old school ninja looting
remote lance
So it will be fun forever
whole swan
and thats only needing 3k on each realm?
whole swan
😄
dense bronze
We shall see Avermra
If Blizzard believed classic would completely die out any time soon after release they wouldn't have bothered to do it
karmic juniper
@dense bronze are you eu
dense bronze
That depends on what you are
karmic juniper
dense bronze
:-)
pearl agate
I’m naming my Mage Goosykillerx
covert rover
yeah.spare me from streamers
fine with fanboyes thinking streamer servers is going to be any better off
but i don't want that garbage
young latch
I want to be as far away from all that garbage as possible
polar vine
yeah thats what im saying
you will have popular realms due to hardcore well known streamers and some due to well known pve guilds going there
and then everything else will more than likely be close to empty/low pop
dense bronze
If that's what you think it will end up like why even bother playing?
polar vine
Becuase i never said i disliked large toxic pvp communities 
Cmon now i know its early
dense bronze
Its afternoon
I'm not really sure what "well known pve guilds" you are talking about either, really no first world race in classic
covert rover
yeah.. most that go to vanilla is to chill with it
oh yeah
that word
not to be noobs going for world first
cold moth
sit in front of raid entrance and prevent any world first
balmy spear
I wonder how ppl are going to manage 40man raid since the population is ... Not that good... In some server going 20 man for a mythic is amazing
whole swan
How can you tell population isnt that good when its not even out yet 😄 ?>
noble forge
and getting 20 people for a raid on live isnt an issue at all
getting 20 people which are decent is an issue
mental crystal
mood
polar vine
Only need 34 or 35 competent players for 40
mental crystal
only
polar vine
@dense bronze no world first but think of when or if method has players roll on classic for fun. People fanboi them just as much as pvp players. Asmongolds guild, other huge pve guilds with 400+ active members.
dense bronze
asmon counts as "big streamer"
dense bronze
his guild is viewers...
polar vine
The guild he is in*
Did he leave that pve guild
Didnt know
Sounds u like watch too much asmon thats not healthy
dense bronze
I don't watch streamers
dense bronze
Asmon is the prime example of how bad it can be
Mostly because he have been the biggest one for a while now
polar vine
I think being on a realm with a popular streamer has pros and cons
Lot of money to be made
dense bronze
You are assuming a "streamer server" will be only ones with high population
It won't
marsh herald
@polar vine method already stated they were going for world first in classic
covert rover
as somebody cleverly noted earlier.. they're way too late for world first
pearl agate
They won’t get classic firsts unless then buy private server teams
polar vine
I dont think i said they will be only high pop ones
Its going to be like retail ok
Lot of dead
Little of aoive
marsh herald
@covert rover you know what i meant...
dense bronze
Logic dictates that Blizzard will battle dead servers aggressively, it remains to be seen if they do so or not
But they have stated they are aware of such problems. After all this is one of the reason why layering is there on launch
Retail doesn't suffer much from dead realms since there are systems in place to fix that, vanilla however was quite sensitive to it and so will classic be
remote lance
have they stated how many servers they are starting with
because it makes more sense to start with something small and then expand and offer free server transfer
than to start with 5 thousand and having them ded
and you can't do server merge because NOT MUH VANILLA
marsh herald
free server transfer ? you know we're talking about blizzard here right ?
remote lance
yeah, they had free server transfers to low pop or new servers
and in that case it would be MUH VANILLA
pearl agate
Not knowing Blizzard does free transfers all the time 😂😂😂😂😂😂
mental crystal
cross realm?
dense bronze
Yep, cross realm solves the dead realm problem for everyone except high end
If you are playing high end a server transfer isn't going to be a problem for you anyway really
For vanilla we had both free transfer and paid transfer
polar vine
that solves almost nothing
because you can group for almost everything
it doesnt change having a shitty economy
or lack of active players therefore less guilds who push any content
people on those realms solve problems by utilizing btag not crz
source:i am people. its me
crz also brings worse problems, like the BE 1-20 zone. multiple zones are like that.
dense bronze
Nobody said it was a perfect solution, but it solves the modern problem with dead realms
The goal was to make you see people out in the world and they have done that
There are plenty of people who don't enjoy cross realm including me, one of many reasons why I prefer the classic style over retail
chrome nova
I disagree heavily that for high end transfers arent a problem, sure you can cover a lot of it with gold, but if you are trying to enter high end and require several alts without having the gold to cover the transfer for 3-4 chars its gonna be quite expensive, extra if you need faction change aswell
dense bronze
If you are going up in the high end raiding you are most likely already considering a transfer to a better guild
There have never been a point in WoW where every server have had good high end guilds
But If you simply consider high end just entering mythic raid then you won't really have a problem anyway 🤷
chrome nova
But for high end server transfers/faction changes would be best solved through package deals, but yeah dont think that will happen any time soon
polar vine
they did offer realm swaps for free to low pop if u want it
if u want t xfer off for pve reasons its not really their responsibility
remote lance
they don't suffer as much, if you want the statement to be more correct
i've never played on a dead server so i can't relate
marsh herald
Yall are aware that literally no one take the free transfers to dead servers right ?
Cuz no one wants to play on a dead server
dense bronze
Who said they would be doing it that way? During vanilla player base was increasing all the way through and free transfers was a way to move players away from older high/full population servers to new fresh servers
Its doubtful that classic population will grow over time
pearl agate
You are aware that someone not using the option doesn’t mean that the option doesn’t exist right?
polar vine
I used the option for realm first back in wotlk
I went from shitty drenden to shitty nesingwary
Lul
marsh herald
what are the best dps classes in classic ? purely based on dps output
top 5 in order
mental crystal
what a fantastic question!
polar vine
Warrior mage rogue warlock hunter i think
Idk order
Hunter sucks until later tiers i think
Death knight good dps too
wicked ravine
Well that any deathknight wasnt a thing in classic. Hybrid classes received a dps tax off the top.
remote lance
Thunderfury, igniting stealing mage warrior， rogue, warlock with.a priest on debuff duty
Yes tf is it's own class
remote lance
Tf warriors die too but your star dps get soulstone
Rogues just laugh and vanish assuming it actually works
God I love vanilla and all the memes
remote lance
Well not everyone has access to secret class so
polar vine
not everyone prays to the good lord lich king
pearl agate
Lock was kinda low for awhile too
polar vine
yeah wasnt 1.12 big buff patch
for rogues especially
the funny part will be people grinding for tier pieces and still wondering why they are being beat by some dude in quest greens and blues
remote lance
locks need shadow vulnerability from priests to do well im pretty sure and you need to spec i think 20+ into shadow for that?
not that it really matters that much
whole swan
Will pretty much always have that debuff anyways, even if not a spriest you just have a holy priest get it
remote lance
yeah, holy priest needs to spec something like 0/x/20 to get it, I don't know how much those few last points affects holy priest throughput
inability to get meditation from discipline tree for combat mana regen would kind of suck though
polar vine
a noble sacrifice for the dps increase
dense bronze
Warlock is limited a lot by threat
remote lance
yeah for sure, so were warriors but that's why you soulstone them, so warlocks shouldn't compete for soulstones even though they are the ones casting
i always love the fact that TF warriors had equip: double your repair bills effect on them
remote lance
yeah, the class had pretty much no comparative advantage. Having one for MoTW was really all that's needed
Battle rez had30 minute timer so it's kind of meh
pearl agate
Resto was the only spec you could argue for
hasty dune
I only dinged 60 like a month before BC came. So never really played Classic at max level. But I do remember having a bit of fun as feral in BG's. Did not do many dungeons. But was Feral really a viable PVP class and could Feral do good in dungeons?
tight topaz
I'm just struggling with the concept of vanilla. Classes were broken back then (looking at you Ret, SP, druids) because the game was new, everything was new so they didn't really know what they was doing yet. Fine. But can they really launch classic and let it go completely knowing that exactly the same will happen again and half their classes and specs will be trash because they didn't know what they was doing the first time?
Just makes me wonder if there will ever be classic balance patches even if it's just tuning damage by 5% or something small just to pad it a little bit
vague iris
That's what people want caeliah, the broken game from years ago
tight topaz
Oh I get people want the querky broken fun game, I started in mid vanilla and I have fond memories of it all. I just don't see the reasoning for keeping things like Ret broken for the sake of it. Would a 5% damage buff really ruin everyone's nostalgia? Not really. Would it make people who enjoy the class tolerate it a little more? Probably. Then again I got what I wanted from vanilla so meh
dense bronze
Because if they changed things it wouldn't be vanilla
Balancing "broken" specs would completely change the meta and it would be a slippery slope
There is a good reason why they have gone to great lengths to even re-introduce literal gameplay bugs back into classic
tight topaz
I don't get that statement though, and for the record I'm not for or against vanilla. I just hate the "any change = no vanilla" argument. It's hyperbole and just isn't correct. If ret did 5% extra damage they'd still be bottom of the DPS meters. Every single mechanic in the game would be unchanged, other than paladins doing 5% more damage. How on Earth would that make it "not vanilla". I just can't wrap my head around the notion that half the game needs to be binned and made unavailable for the sake of it being nostalgic. And I get your point about the meta and I won't be playing vanilla purely because of time restraints which is a shame as I'd love to play it again but I just struggle to see how minor pure number buffs would effect it. I'm not speaking of 20-30% swings. Just, to me, feels like everyone's going to be rolling a Mage and rogue trying to 360noscopeQT YouTube montage people and want no competition
dense bronze
So lets say for the sake of argument that buffing ret with 5% wouldn't change the meta (it would, but that is beside the point)
Who is to say that they now shouldn't buff balance? feral? elemental? enh? or any other low performing spec
Why shouldn't they fix bugs?
If they were to ONLY change ret it would be unfair to everyone else, and its hard to argue why they should ONLY change 1 spec out of many
tight topaz
So buff them? The meta is going to change, you can't stop that. You're going from a time people were playing on old family computers, with dial up internet, absolutely zero learning material to hand and generally younger and therefore less understanding - to generally overkill (for vanilla) PCs, twitch and YouTube streams galore, ridiculously better internet and much older and adapted to games. If you're telling me now that things will be the same I'll call that out straight away. It won't be.
I just don't see the harm in a few minor % tweaks to make trash specs a LITTLE less trash
dense bronze
Latency won't really change anything, there is a 400ms window
So it plays basically the same as it would be on dialup
And no if you buff them all it won't be the same game anymore
and the whole point of classic would be lost
Now, if classic is popular and remain popular we might see changes once the phases are over
In the form of new content, it would be logical to make minor balance changes at that time
tight topaz
I just think people are scared that one change will lead to drastic changes. Look at old school RuneScape. They tweak balance constantly along with new content and it's killed the actual RuneScape. It's flourishing. I completely see what you mean and totally get your point of view I just physically don't see how minor flat % changes will cause major meta swings when the said classes will still be in their respective tiers, just less bad to play
dense bronze
Majority of people don't want changes, they want vanilla
Like I said once the phases are over we might see something similar to old school runescape, they are open for this option
polar vine
Iirc jagex makes more $ off mtx sales in rs3
But majority players on osrs
And yeah some classea sucked but people still played them
Not everyone cared about raiding or being optimal
wicked ravine
Yeah. There were people that stayed relevant just by running around farming and world pvp. Vanilla had one thing going for it if nothing else. Variety of game play choices.
hearty ermine
The team was blown away by the passion shown from beta testers. They expected people to come in and try things for a small amount of time, but people were playing for long hours night after night even though they knew these characters were going to be wiped eventually.
its almost like...people care
polar vine
Or people want to get as far as possible and compare stats for efficiency
remote lance
The goal is to make vanilla wow not reboot wow and expand from there
They can change that later if they want but right now that's what they promised
wicked ravine
WC3 remastered with custom maps > literally everything
remote lance
yeah, im looking forward to playing that
hasty aurora
Yo, is there any point of playing late game dudu in classic when I don't want to heal? 🤔
pearl agate
No
hasty aurora
that's what I thought.
pearl agate
If you enjoy it is the only reason
karmic juniper
be feral and use faerie fire
noble forge
or pvp
polar vine
Battlegrounds
Solo gameplay
Roleplaying
Moonglade
4 good reasons
Bgs is meh
3.5 reasons
dense bronze
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-pre-launch-test-11-00-a-m-pdt-august-8-and-minimum-specs/239621
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-pre-launch-test-8-august-8-00-p-m-cest-and-minimum-specs/65918
polar vine
wish i could react to that
dense bronze
polar vine
youre evil
fluid sigil
fluid sigil
i really wanna participate in these tests but i don't think euro boyos get in 
dense bronze
EU is included in this
dense bronze
Our global pre-launch test of WoW Classic will begin on Thursday, 8 August at 8:00 p.m. CEST
mental crystal
why are they including minimum specs lmfao
dense bronze
People have asked for it
fluid sigil
some people are booting up their toasters for nostalgia purposes
i actually wanna experience the wpvp so much
it's something i never got in retail because i came to late
dense bronze
Pro-tip: you might want to spend some of the test time to setup addons, that way you can avoid wasting time on launch doing this
mental crystal
karmic juniper
??
i'm actually playing vanilla 
gonna be my guilds druid 
apply faerie fire and afk
dense bronze
You mean innervate bot?
karmic juniper
goosicle is my main alt
mental crystal
a spec befitting of a goose brain
dense bronze
A lot of rotations are rather.. dull..
Not due to lack of abilities though, just not worth casting most of it
So I guess Goosy are in luck!
Ironically cat have one of the more complex rotations, all though you could macro it
dense bronze
If you want to rank high you got to do a bit more than that
dense bronze
Same with hunter and shot timing, and totem twisting for shaman
polar vine
its like
pearl agate
And frostbolt spam big skill
dense bronze
well frost is probably the worst example there is
whole swan
You dont even get to use agony or corrupt i dont think
polar vine
well, you have 1 corrupt
pearl agate
Only 1 Lock gets to use dots iirc
polar vine
^
once MC on farm status locks with spirit who spam bolt are gonna be high on dps im p sure
not above mage or warr or rogue
but a respectable amount i suppose
i wonder if that all druid reddit guild will roll on classic
dense bronze
If you want to parse you got to sneak in shadowburn
polar vine
thats what it is
doesnt demo still have that
look at this, me and dyne having an intelligent, gentlemens conversation.
alternate reality
remote lance
flagg running as feral hybrid is pretty fun
until you run into one of those stalemate games
polar vine
scroll up @cold moth
remote lance
Thunderfurry
hasty dune
What does feral-hybrid look like on the talenttree, @remote lance
polar vine
Same as every other feral
remote lance
0 30 21 with nature swiftness. It's not really a dps spec since no lotp and no omen
lone bear
do we aim for atiesh for dps? 😛
lone bear
Also, Enchanting or Alchemy?
pearl agate
Druid DPS 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
lone bear
feral kitty with atiesh :3
noble forge
big doubt that any druid will get atiesh at least not in a reasonable time
remote lance
Just start your own guild and default atiesh to yourself
Gl not getting drama though
gaunt quail
Atiesh isn't bis for feral. if you're even considering feral dps, you farm up the maces from gnomeregan with on use +50% atk speed for 30 seconds.
lone bear
I know, 50% haste trumps everything since it adds on to energy regen, attack speed and so on
I'm gonna be farming a lot of the damn things
pearl agate
and still not doing dps
noble forge
dont think it adds energy regen
polar vine
Yeah long after. Lasi
Classic
If youre looking to play feral dps just be content with liking your class and not striving for huge dammies
lone bear
eh ill just be happy bringing 3% crit along to raid
wish it were improved version of wotlk tho
noble forge
you only bring it to your group!
remote lance
GoTW rank 1 is 50, rank 2 is 60, they are drops though
dont know why i remember this
probably because priests were crying about Fortitude being expensive and I bought GoTW pretty cheap thanks to druids being scarce
polar vine
yeah
thats from the books right?
you get those in dire maul still
just a grey item now
remote lance
World drops. Dm specific are the librams for leg(?) Enchants
I know rank2 can drop in raids
cosmic rock
Soo, how shitty was feral back in classic?
covert rover
aah
XD
that said i'm going to play there since friend of mine do.. and i play feral
because i'm not planning to go tryhard.. i just want to have fun
and feral is fun to lvl
after lvl 20
hallow yew
I didn’t realize feral was viable at all in vanilla?
covert rover
i wouldn't call it viable
i said it competed with tanks on dps and tanks did terrible damage back then
it's better for pvp due to the heals and speed
hallow yew
Gotcha
covert rover
ok
i have resto question omg
how was resto druid for pvp?
waits for the horde of resto druids to answer
polar vine
Not bad
On top of being difficult to lock down i think resto had less mana problems in prolonged (av) fights compared to holy
I guess that depends on gear thi
remote lance
were there actual resto druids for pvp though
i thought they were mostly moonglow 24/0/27 or feral hybrid 0/30/21
going hybrid meant you missed out on 10% healing which probably wasn't huge given the other utility you gain, and innervate was purgable i believe. I'm sure Swiftmend is really good but not sure how good compared to other healing classes, and hybrid druids
covert rover
baer - i actually don't know.. hence i asked.. friend of mine that has a hard time deciding on class to play and resto was one of the options
remote lance
if he actually wants to heal and pvp without respeccing I think either moonglow or feral are completely fine
in a raid setting with 10-15 healers I really don't think SM is that essential unless you're really fixated on sniping those meters
covert rover
yeah.. most of us isn't bothering with raiding.. we're just going to chill and see if we get bored within the first week or two
only 2 of them that wanna raid
remote lance
then you definitely go feral for leveling and then transition into a hybrid spec
covert rover
so more pvp/dungeons
remote lance
im not touching classic at all, but if I were, it would be something i would play on and off like a single player game
covert rover
yeah.. pretty much same deal for most of us
except we play together for the dungeons/pvp against whatever i guess
remote lance
yeah, of course
covert rover
i played it back then.. don't really need to play it again XD
remote lance
don't need the pain of pugging
remote lance
exactly how I feel. It was fun but that has a lot to do with it being a "first time"
you can't relive that "first time"
covert rover
would just be talking in groups while waiting for the last 2 people or so
but today i don't think i have that kind of patience
whole swan
Nobody would have played private servers though if it was just a first time thing
remote lance
i didn't say that was the thing for everyone Shift, just for me
some people don't mind playing it for the nth time
whole swan
Yeah of course. I just think theres alot who will still enjoy it. Alot won't though
covert rover
yeah.. we're just talking about how it is for us
covert rover
vanilla required more time than live.. at least for me
whole swan
Should be enough to support active couple k on servers hopefully
remote lance
ultimately i don't think I can, or should, tell people what they like and don't like
covert rover
but now i'm going to spend less time on it than i would on live
whole swan
It depends live is a huge grind atm
covert rover
because i'm going to slack with it
remote lance
but at least I feel like if we debate for a reason, some of the reason would not make sense for me
covert rover
not a needed grind though
whole swan
Raids in vanilla you could raid 1 night a week and be done I bet
covert rover
if you want.. sure
covert rover
but i generally just did the minimum on live and got my gear plenty fine still
but i wasn't ready for world first race.. i grant that
whole swan
Guess it depends what you do game wise
remote lance
like gravemoss for loatheb
covert rover
MC raid took us 4 hours to clear
when we were just clearing it efficiently
then there was bwl afterwards
remote lance
yeah, i remember doing MC in 4 hours was a feat and then eventually cutting it down to 90 minutes
covert rover
my own raid on live was 5 hours pr week
remote lance
when i say feat, it wasn't, it juts felt that way to us at the time
because people were bad and/or irresponsible
going afk on trash, before pull, etc
covert rover
yeah.. people were far more slack
whole swan
Bad PCs. Disconnects everything
covert rover
most lfr groups are better than raiders back then
remote lance
i fortunately didn't have to deal with many people with bad PCs
whole swan
Think It will be cut down alot now though
remote lance
and then you get to Razorgore and you think some hunter is a god for being able to kite a few mobs up and down the stair
remote lance
Vael and his legendary meme domino cleave
whole swan
Depends. It's harder to be picky when you need 40
remote lance
that cleave style i thought was hilarious
whole swan
Yeah. Not like its gonna be 30 warriors in a raid. Too hard to gear
covert rover
yeah.. it's a good mechanisms with chained cleave
shift - yeah.. not an issue for me.. i'm just going to meme around
remote lance
and then you get to Broodlord Lashlayer and you finally realize that 2 of your 5 tanks are absolutely shit at building aggro
covert rover
XD
i had corruption privilgue
but i would always be right below tanks on aggro
both tanks i've tanked with all the way up to legion
one was good imo
the other not so much
remote lance
thta's normal though because warlcoks didn't have threat modiifer
i think rogues were the only one that did, and hunters had FD
remote lance
that was the only expansion where alliance shit on horde because blessing of salvation was such a big deal
whole swan
Think they did
remote lance
and then everything changed in TBC
remote lance
obviously paladin is juts suprior to shaman
but i think THE most important thing was actually salv if you have good players
because the biggest bottleneck was threat
if you had shit dps then salv is the most useless buff
whole swan
Well depending on how the numbers go if bear can build big threat might see them pop up
remote lance
in a few raids when we only had 2 paladins, I had to tell people "Might and Salv the warriors, not kings"
and people would get confused
and then there's the warriors that would ignore me and whispercast to get kings over salv instead
and die 20% into pull and wonder why
covert rover
XD
whole swan
😄
covert rover
sounds vanilla man
remote lance
it's juts funny that you'd think that if you're good at hitting buttons, you'd be sensible enough to know that you're threat capped
covert rover
yeah.. everybody at us had omen
only one ignored it
some just failed it a bit
and dieded
remote lance
we had a really good dps warrior and we would just soulstone rotate him
but we didn't pay for his repairs, sorry
polar vine
Ya resto was not bad healing
If u didnt take the 10 percent buff does it matter when you can outlast the other healer
remote lance
that's an optimistic way of looking at ti
the pessimitc way to look at it is your heals take 2 years to cast so you won't outsnipe another class of equal skill
whole swan
How long was rank 4 heal touch
remote lance
2.5 after -0.5 second cast IIRC
rank 5+ take 3 seconds to cast
regrowth is 2.0 but LOL MANA
paladins on the other hand spam fol and go afk and come back with full mana i think
whole swan
ye
remote lance
objectively speaking im not sure what resto druid's niche is, if any, back in vanilla other than 30 minute brez and innervate for the priests
covert rover
aver - we had an inspirering way to heal the tanks at us
lining the healers up on a line if possible
and then have them cast a heal in cycles on the tanking tank
and break it if he was full enough
having that long ass cast of 3½-4 seconds depending on talents
our resto never really got to cast it through.. just broke it every time
whole swan
druid only does curses right
remote lance
for healers yeah
covert rover
doesn't it sound fun?
remote lance
sounds like your healers were practicing for loatheb before loatheb was thing
covert rover
yeah XD
remote lance
honestly though
i wonder if you can juts 5 heal MC
now that people know what they are doing
RELATIVELY SPEAKING
covert rover
i have no idea.. it will tbh be a bit funny to see what people will do
remote lance
definitey should not need more than 10
covert rover
coming in with an entirely other mentality in a super simple raid
remote lance
15+ back in the days was just overkill
dont worry idiots will still wipe on the first firelord
covert rover
yep XD
remote lance
or assholes that get it and los on purpose
covert rover
i'm still annoyed to this day about how hard people had it with the dogs that needed to die at the same time
remote lance
to be fair that window was not that small
covert rover
it was a great deal for us when we some time managed to pull 3 packs and actually got them down
the 2 other packs only got pulled because people had the big dum
covert rover
oh we did
one of ours will go hunter
so i can keep the tradition alive
he better fucking not take my weapons >(
remote lance
its too bad theyy are going with 1.12
i want that token ret paladin since bok was 31st talent until they moved it
that was our ret's excuse
he healed but really wanted to melee
he was proficient though so i think he did get our first sulfuras
covert rover
tbh i don't remember before 1.12
played druid shortly on alpha
and then didn't play it for a little while before a friend of mine forced me into it
so i think i first really started after 1.12
dense bronze
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/reserve-your-name-in-wow-classic-on-august-12-at-3-00-p-m-pdt/242723
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/reserve-your-name-in-wow-classic-on-august-12-at-22-00-gmt-august-13-at-00-00-cest/66877
We will release details regarding realm names and realm types later this week so you can coordinate with your friends on where to begin your adventure.
in before sunday 
polar vine
Resto druid pvp niche was rejuv
remote lance
Nah travel form
polar vine
@dense bronze lets roll on a realm together and play as best buds
I dont remember paladins being ez mode they still died
And not every paladin was good
remote lance
They hearthed
polar vine
Does knockback interrupt shielded cast?
remote lance
Nothing touched bubble in vanilla
remote lance
Lol
polar vine
Thats inevitably going to destroy your team
remote lance
Ap pom pyro doesnt need that much mana
polar vine
you get the point
as i sip my glass of chardonnay after a nice long day at work, i often contemplate the finer things in life, like how im going to enjoy stunlocking again
remote lance
Enjoy green whelp armor
polar vine
i dont even get it
remote lance
Green whelp armor was an body armor that procced a 40 second sleep on attackers
It was hilarious before nerf
remote lance
But as a rogue you also dont want to touch people with it
polar vine
up until last patch of BC you could still 100-0 same level players in stuns
you think people will be privy to that info in a common world? and be smart enough to continue wearing it after they level past the required level
i for one, do not.
remote lance
4/4 glaives rogue and 4/4 shadow priest with skull of guldan
polar vine
i bet 75% of players will swap gear simply because of higher level requirements and more main stat
remote lance
My favorite 2v2 arena comp
I doubt green whelp armor will be in it's original state anyway
It's too funny
jade tangle
Any advise for someone going rdudu when classic comes out
pearl agate
Learn to spam healing touch rank 4
polar vine
have fun
cursive rampart
remote lance
take improved mark of the wild
polar vine
I love these private server players on reddit
Saying they will beat method to world first on classic
And that they do mc with 20 people
Actually reeeeeeeee
wicked ravine
The real raid bosses of classic were The Loot Ninja, Asleep During Fights, Filling 40 Man Raid.
whole swan
They will beat method though 100%
Doubt with 20 but I wouldn't be surprised if a guild does it first week probably depends on servers
dense bronze
I think week 1 is unlikely, but not impossible
There is enough crazy people out there to try to pull it off at least
fluid sigil
how long did leveling end up taking in the end? was it around 5 days played time?
noble forge
no
fluid sigil
a lot less or more?
noble forge
more like
20
unless you really optimize stuff
think fastest ever time is around 3 days but
thats knowing everything
fluid sigil
is MC open from the get-go or naw
people who blast 60 first will probably be the world first then, if it's open from the start
fluid sigil
well i mean in live it's like
they add the buffer for people to get max level, then open the raid :p
noble forge
the guild which gets like 30 people at 60 the fastest
will clear the raid the fastest
(assuming its open)
fluid sigil
ya
wicked ravine
They did that for classic too. Stratholme and scholomancs, BRD and UBRS / LBRS were the “raids” with 10 people at the start to gear up
noble forge
you could run those with 40
polar vine
If method plans on doing first clesr
You think some band of private server smooth brains who have "been killing these bosses for years" (on a private server) are going to beat professional gamers
People who get paid to play versus jobless kids and adults who have to do chores
Ya seems legit
remote lance
15 year old race that is dependant on people grinding for days and have a degree of luck in pretty raid gear
Seems fun
cursive rampart
@polar vine it's pretty comical lol
I'm definitely a classic boi over retail but let's be real... retail mechanics etc. are infinitely harder to master and the Method guys are second to none there
polar vine
Its not even mechanics its just efficiency and quality of gameplay
polar vine
They do shit in a militaristic fashion when they go hardcore and dont dilly daddle.
Thats why they get paid lmao
cursive rampart
Ya. If they really want to press for WF, the private server dreamers won't have a chance
Just comes down to their choice really
polar vine
Of course not they need to do the dishes and set the table
polar vine
No adult group of players with a job can offer competition for a game where you need to invest 15+ days to hit 60 then get raid geared
So its funny af that these people are getting offended on reddit by being called what they are
remote lance
i think it's funnier that people want to race for something that is already very well known, is somewhat luck/gear dependant, and requires very little execution
like I enjoy watching people race old games from time to time, but these are races that only last a few hours at the most that even a few frames might make a difference
im sure Method would race just for the money/viewership, but i really don't know how I feel about the fact that this probably would have very high viewership