I think your numbers may be off Torty
#classic
small sorrel
whole swan
Not sure on numbers I'm sure its top 3 EU realm for pop though
cold moth
Hopping on a flightpath from Dazar'Alor and fps drops, shards fly everywhere people spawn and despawn sometimes
Most of the time it's mostly unnoticeable
small sorrel
wowprogress shows it as number 4 EU pop, with 35k
rigid glacier
Yeah, it used to be easily #1 for cata and mop
main marsh
idk we coulnt even enter the chamber, to start the quests
in bfa opener
for like 2 hrs
😄
rigid glacier
All of the alliance guilds transferred to draenor and TN
The worst release in my experience was WoD
Too many people bought into their marketing I guess
It was impossible for play for a week or two
small sorrel
WoD was by far the worst because of that stupid garrison instancing crap
whole swan
I'm trying to think which release it was that everyone in my guild would log on before work and afk in rfc so you could skip insane queue when you got home
small sorrel
took 6 hours to chop down 5 trees
I had to swap to a low pop to anchor high pop people
whole swan
Server had queue for so many weeks was stupid
rigid glacier
WotLK probably Shift
small sorrel
just so they could play
whole swan
Blizz seemed to fix all that though
rigid glacier
I don't remember queues after WotLK really
whole swan
Never get queues anymore or anything
main marsh
i wonder how long phase gonna take
rigid glacier
I hope not long
main marsh
same
rigid glacier
First two phases seem extremely boring
rigid glacier
Not even that, ZG, BWL, Dire Maul are all a lot better than starter dungeons and MC
main marsh
the record now
is like 5days
almost?
some freaks gonna do it soo much faster
cuz they are preparing for it
for years
small sorrel
I mean once I have the gold/quests for my epic mount done
whole swan
Its gonna be hell to level if you are caught in the zerg fighting over spawns
small sorrel
I'm just gonna do bg's to get my rep for my pvp gear while farming up DS2
small sorrel
ring cloak neck weapon trinket belt boots bracers is a big chunk of gear already knocked out for ya
main marsh
sititng on it
camping quests items, is the worst shit ever, if u want that u need to sit and click the spawn
for a while
small sorrel
I think people are gonna slit their wrists trying to do Guile of the Raptor in Arathi while having to fight for spawns
lmao
whole swan
Gonna see how bad it is come launch then honestly might have to just skip so many quests and just grind somewhere
small sorrel
I mean it wouldn't kill you to wait a day lol
cold moth
Everyday I load up the launcher, and check the dropdown menu, and no beta 😦
whole swan
Waiting would be even worse if you let more people get ahead of you
small sorrel
first thing I'm gonna do is get my bank alt toon to the minimum lvl necessary and run him straight to Orgrimmar
then go back and actually play a toon
small sorrel
so that the wild pack of animals will be ahead of me by a few levels
young latch
Who cares if ppl get ahead of you if 99% of them quit with in 8 weeks
small sorrel
why? you run just as slow as everyone else lol
main marsh
ikr
whole swan
If people get ahead it just makes it worse to level every area you get to will have people camping stuff you need
small sorrel
most people are gonna be inefficient, you'll pass them up
whole swan
At least if you get a decent start you can grab some without competition
young latch
Or every9ne will get ahead of you and your zone emptys out?
small sorrel
I mean as bad as it might be at the start, with sharding and layering after the first 3 days it will all even out to normal
most people weren't around during actual vanilla days
whole swan
Theres bottleneck quests that will keep people in zones that's problem
main marsh
ye
whole swan
Every named mob having stupid spawn time or looting stuff from floor
main marsh
quest items 
small sorrel
so they don't remember spending 5 hours to complete 2 quests because they got caught at the massive world pvp shitstorm in Tarren Mill
whole swan
Layers will be way more populated then sharing though right?
small sorrel
idk, my BFF Jill
whole swan
Only thing I can go by is beta when they stress tested and zones had so many
Maybe they lower numbers idk
small sorrel
I mean even if it becomes a shitshow and you're forced to wait a day or two to start leveling
what's the worst that's really gonna happen
this aint Sword Art Online where your life is on the line lol
young latch
The zones in stress tests tho are specifically designed to over load the servers and STRESS TEST them so they will be heaps less packed than that. The layering was probs turned to a level that stressed the servers
small sorrel
World First 60 isn't gonna happen for probably 5-6 days after launch, and that's assuming the person stays up with nothing but caffeine and cocaine to do it.
realistically most people who no-life grind will take 10-15 days to hit 60
main marsh
wtf bro
dense bronze
@main marsh AOE grinding will be limited use due to lack of good spots which decent respawn
The ability to aoe grind is overstimated due to emulators having dynamic respawns
main marsh
yeah, but was thinking about later dungeons aoe grind
dense bronze
@small sorrel The record in vanilla was 4 days and 20 hours, i'm sure someone will do it slightly quicker this time around
small sorrel
Hitting 60 with a dedicated and motivated leveler who has a clear route pinned out will probably be like ~200 hours at best, however long that ends up taking
main marsh
imo the 60 lvl gonna be pretty damn fast, due to all this try harders
u just need to have a good start
small sorrel
@dense bronze I was just going off a private server number that a streamer/youtuber managed to do recently in only 5 days.
I'll be surprised if 4/20 (omegalul) is beaten
dense bronze
I mean there have been people on emulators doing it stupidily short times, but that doesn't mean they will be able to repeat that in classic 🤷
small sorrel
but will the conditions necessary for the 4 days 20 hour record be repeatable on launch?
main marsh
also the pserver and retail lvling is a big diff, i was watching snutz doin aoe grind - murlocs and on yt video from pserver they were blasting this mobs, but on retail they barelly did it, and it was like 10x harder, cuz mobs werent casting in pserver, and in retail the cast were hitting soo hard
small sorrel
like the guy will not have a bank alt to mail shit to, or bags already made to increase bagspace, and will be fighting for mobs
dense bronze
Why wouldn't you have a bank alt?
main marsh
pre order lvl 60
small sorrel
Because some people are going straight out of the gate
I'm gonna have the bank alt first lol
dense bronze
It takes just a few seconds to create an bank alt
small sorrel
but I also give 0 fucks about racing to 60 so fast I trip over myself
small sorrel
Mailbox holds for 30 days right?
dense bronze
Yes
dense bronze
You don't take the items out of the mail
main marsh
@dense bronze u goin druid?
small sorrel
not for the bank alt
dense bronze
you just bounce it back and forward
small sorrel
for the guy racing to 60
dense bronze
endless bagspace
small sorrel
he won't have premade runecloth bags this time around
to make his leveling/grinding require fewer stops
dense bronze
the 4 days 20 hours record from vanilla was on fresh server
main marsh
but it was pserver
main marsh
mobs on pserver are different
whole swan
Wasnt Joanna's retail?
small sorrel
The record Dyneslott is referring to is from retail Vanilla, I believe.
dense bronze
Joana was retail
main marsh
ah ok
whole swan
Hunt
main marsh
Joanna d’Arc must be pally 
dense bronze
Hunter, nothing beats it in speed for solo leveling
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small sorrel
Warlock comes somewhat close, but yeah Hunter is speedy as balls
main marsh
hunter>druid>lock>all as far as i know?
small sorrel
warlock shits on druid for leveling speed
main marsh
i heard druid is meega fast
whole swan
Feral Is very fast
dense bronze
druid is based on emulators, don't think you will see as efficient leveling in classic
mostly because people abused front shredding
small sorrel
druid won't even catch up until 30ish where travel form will net you time saved, you don't even get catform until level 20
whole swan
You get 30% move before travel from dont you?
small sorrel
so you'll bridge the gap slightly, but once 40 hits, warlock gets free mount and you'll never catch up again
main marsh
i heard first lvl 60 gonna be a warrior
small sorrel
either way, you're playing catch up at 20-40
where as the warlock is faster all the way through
druid isn't bad once you get cat form
small sorrel
but I'll bet my left nut warlock outlevels you
having an infinite mana supply in the form of HP via lifetap is a great time saver
whole swan
Watching a couple lock streamers though they just use imp and face tank the mobs
main marsh
ye kinda
whole swan
No using void and pulling like 3 or so
small sorrel
you can do that sure
whole swan
Cause it loses aggro and u end up tanking anyways
small sorrel
I wouldn't, wanding is beastly dps at low lvls
whole swan
And imp is so much more damage
small sorrel
its impossible not to have a good wand
lesser magic wand at 5
greater magic wand at 13
BFD quest wand at 19
etc etc
you'll always have a decent wand
there's a wand guide somewhere
for both factions
not like I've committed it to memory, but I'm almost positive you'll have a new wand every 6-9 levels
main marsh
small sorrel
yeet
main marsh
iam not rly in rush
small sorrel
yeah the lesser and greater magic wands can be bought lol
but like I said I'm only going enchanting to have mats because I can afford it with the free mount at 40 and whatnot
I'll make the money back later on when I start selling fiery enchants, healing to gloves, and crusaders
whole swan
I wonder if they fixed the enchanting nexus crystal thing
whole swan
Heard you cant use them until a certain phase but because its 1.12 based gear will disenchant into them from launch and make them useless till late on
Or something like that. Saw a bug report about it
dense bronze
Only way to properly solve the nexus issue is to track in which phase the item dropped and only dischant items to nexus if they during and after phase 5
But not sure they currently have the ability to do that
or they could just simply leave it to be useless until phase 5, it would devalue it greatly however
won't really affect most players regardless
brittle thistle
Leatherworking. That’s what I’m doing. 👌
low glade
@brittle thistle Tribal, elemental or dragonscale?
brittle thistle
Fairly sure that’s backwards, but could be wrong
low glade
Yes, I believe you are correct. The confusing itemization got me
My memory fails, I could swear that Hide of the Wild was an elemental pattern...
brittle thistle
The iron feather set will last a long time. Leather Set bonus with spell dmg.
final skiff
Ooh Tip's Skarm interview is out, almost makes bear seem tempting. Sounds like you could really push it if you're serious about it. Get a good swing timer and quickshift to dump engineering items/pop potions and back before the next melee, get rage every time you do so, chew through MCPs like a feral and not have to wait years for your stupid bindings while doing just as much threat.
Almost
low glade
Feral tanking has always been a thing. Now it's even more worthwhile with all the research that has been done
Though, I have to say that powershifting while tanking sounds like a terrible idea, not worth the risk. Maybe you can time it right for single bosses encounters where the boss has a 2sec swing, but if you are tanking more than 1 mob or the boss is a dual-wielder you're screwed
cold moth
Or a rogue decides to front attack and get a parry
final skiff
Oh for sure, and yeah you'd have to take into account parries if you didn't want to randomly die. Super risky. But if you really wanted to push your character to the max seems like it'd be an idea.
But screw dat
solar kite
Lol
lusty gazelle
Good times, I got a world drop worth 500 gold doing that
cold moth
My first char was way over honored when I dinged 60, just ended up farming them for exp for some reason, was nice to find out it became something of a thing that everyone wanted to get it
solar kite
Why not bring back the old av? Lol
cold moth
Guyyyss
How will druid fare in pvp on classic
I mainly want to heal in raids and dungs but also do@some damage in wpvp
whole swan
in wsg you run flags, 1v1 duelling druid is good you can outlast most people and kill them or just run off
cold moth
Tunnel sucks big time, as they are the mobs you are trying to get to like you
@polar vine
They start out agro
subtle elbow
@cold moth druids are very good once you learn to play for pvp.
polar vine
In wsg you get stunlocked as deer
zinc fiber
WHOOOOO ANYONE ELSE ABSOLUTELY PUMPED FOR CLASSIC
polar vine
Yes
Wait have they released the date yet
Only druid who gonna 1v1 gonna be resto tho
cold moth
@subtle elbow still torn about drood or shammy
But i feel that drood gets a better pvp
Shapeshift is a beast
But mana also is a bitch so..haha
polar vine
You should play a class youve never played
You should approach classic like a total noob and just ignore efficiency and speed running 60
That way you get the best possible experience
vocal halo
Most fun part of Classic -- The game is so much easier now that I know how to fucking itemize properly. My hunter fucks shit up, its great.
brittle thistle
Yea I have a nice item list to progress myself. I’m excited to level as a weird spec and do the professions all at the same time and craft my own gear and food etc
dense bronze
What a strange way to describe blackmail Cyous 🤔
karmic juniper
@vocal halo hi it's me your friend
remember that time we made fun of tettles together
vocal halo
I remember promoting you to Reg. I regret not doing it sooner.
karmic juniper
vocal halo
vocal halo
mental crystal
you're making a mistake 
vocal halo
Cyous says: WWW.gold right NIHAO . com -- Come gets your hugs
lusty gazelle
$report
ancient eagleBOT
This incident has been reported to the proper authorities. Thank you for your time.
lusty gazelle
$why
ancient eagleBOT
because cyous...
vocal halo
small sorrel
does drain mana also do that?
heady crow
okay so ive tested it with warlocks
they cant drain mana while we are in form
but if they start it while we are in caster, it will continue to drain for its full duration even if we shift feral
still need to find a priest to test there mana burn with
small sorrel
that's bugged then
I remember in vanilla if I started to channel drain mana on a druid, it would drain until they shifted and then all subsequent ticks would drain 0 mana since the mana bar was replaced when shifting
the tether would remain even if you LoS
but definitely didn't continue to drain
covert rover
Pretty sure it kept draining even when they lossed
Was part of the fun
Seeing them try to get away from it when they first had it on them. To no avail
buoyant summit
Can someone Tell me the FAST SHIFT macro for transforming in an out of feral form in vanilla
dense bronze
You mean classic right?
Because if you want help with your private server macro you are in the wrong place
true sedge
This is a macro i fetched form my WotLK druid's macro list
/cast Cat Form(Shapeshift)
/stopcasting
/cast Cat Form(Shapeshift)
Not sure if it works properly or not, since I can't test it. But I think it works nice. The macro removes root and recasts cat form again instantly. If you want to just remove the cat form you can use /cancelaura for that.
main marsh
if u are playin on beta (not pserver) try /cast !cat form
ecc
as far as i know, classic is on legion version, and most of the legion macros works aswel
dense bronze
Its not legion, its BFA
main marsh
alright
i heard cdew was talking with ppl, when there was duel tournament
and they said
its legion
dense bronze
cdew is wrong
main marsh
so u could actually target totems
with a macro
cuz ppl were trolling in duel, and priest were unable to target
totems
so perma tremor
dense bronze
The demo client was (logically) legion, beta is bfa
Current beta seems to be 8.0.x client, or it could be 8.1 client with features disabled (not that easy to tell)
It will mostly the same client from release on, its not logical for blizzard to have 2 different clients, double the work for no gain
main marsh
alright
dense bronze
We have know it was bfa client since the alpha client was uploaded on the CDN weeks before closed beta
Just the internet keeps on parroting "legion client" crap because that is what was used in the demo
vocal halo
My leveling pace feels a bit off. Level 29 in 41 hours (/played). It's not terrible, but it does feel like taking on level 30-33 quests while level 26-28 was tougher than it needed to be.
Already completed most of quests in shimmering flats, so I guess im headed to Arathi Highlands or farming dungeons for a couple levels until I can start farming SM. C_ C
main marsh
41hrs for 29 seems pretty good no?
vocal halo
no clue lol
i needed 1 bar to level to 29 after turning in most Shimmering Flats quests
was taking down level 35's at level 28
felt slow
that 1 bar, i just killed some 24-26 and got it in like 5min
At that rate, it's about 90min to level
its been taking me ~3hrs in the 20's
(i reached level 18 in like... 13 hours or something like that)
once i got my hunter pet, it really took off, basically
low glade
Not great, not terrible
tiny elm
3.6/10
polar vine
Pretty good tbh
covert rover
you should try druid
clubbing them the first 20 lvls
and being a super shitty moonkin
absolutely highly recommended fun
lone bear
so moonfire and wrath spam til 10, then bear up to 26?
visual atlas
Wrath -> Wrath -> Staff auto attack or Wrath -> Moonfire -> Staff auto attack
After 10 you have to add another spell in there as HP totals go up faster than your spell ranks
But each Wrath rank increase will feel great, knock a cast out of rotation
lone bear
until i stop buying wrath ranks and stick with kitty
visual atlas
Yeah, life gets good after 20
polar vine
I remember that
When cat form was like a gateway drug to expedited leveling
Got you really spoiled until it equaled out 
vocal halo
i just realized i have to level in Desolace
Or Arathi Highlands
on a PVP server
and I hate Desolace
small sorrel
@vocal halo I was gonna ask how you're managing to land hits on mobs that much higher lvl than you, and then I saw you mention you're playing hunter. Lucky duck, not having to deal with spell hit or melee hit bullshit
small shale
you have to deal with hit even as hunter
lunar viper
Hunters have to deal with that and more honestly
vocal halo
@small sorrel I'm playing troll too. And I'm using a bow. I have +5 weapon skill and my strat is to use Cheetah and kite
small sorrel
dat swing timer for the shots to stutter step like a boss too
vocal halo
melee-weaving, ya
small sorrel
@lunar viper he might have to deal with hit rating, but he doesn't have to deal with spell resist
not much of it anyway
I'm not even sure if ranged hit has the same math as melee hit
but I know it's not as bad as trying to land spells on mobs higher level given that there's an increasing 11% chance to miss per level past 2 levels above
add resists into the mix and that hit chance drops even further
small sorrel
at least you don't have disengage yet
vocal halo
disengage was changed to be a jump backwards
small sorrel
oh it doesn't just catapult you 25 yards back?
small sorrel
gross
so what do you do when you get hamstring/crippling poison deadzone kited and can't wingclip them
drop frost trap and pray?
vocal halo
Cant trap in combat. I wing clip and kite.
If I'm BM I run BM/Surv for improved wing clip (5sec root, 20%chance).
small sorrel
Gross, tauren hunter
vocal halo
Goal is to root, feign, frost trap, (flare), mark.
And bait thrown/ranged with aspect dancing (sit in cheetah if safe to), (swap to hawk when they animate for ranged attack
small sorrel
can you aspect swap off the GCD
or is 1.2 during the era where everything has a GCD
vocal halo
No, but hunters shouldn't be using many GCDs
small sorrel
I can't remember when they implemented the universal GCD
vocal halo
I basically just auto shoot and wait for enemies to use abilities
small sorrel
interrupts should be off the GCD currently
but not classic probably
well shifting into a form is on the GCD, and shifting out isn't
but again, idk for classic
remote lance
Psyduck is correct afaik. It was very annoying waiting for casts because you cant hit buttons
low glade
Hunters don't get glancing blows from shots. It's one of the reasons they generate so much threat against higher lv targets, like bosses
low glade
Yes, and hunters can FD anyway
Point is, they do less reduced dmg against higher lv mobs compared to melee
While leveling and stuff
small sorrel
Yeah, it's nutty
cold moth
frostmage was great for whacking higher level mobs, can't partially resist frost spells so it's hit or miss, and even with a high level difference, it always felt the resists were very scarce
mossy garden
So what professions will you go for and why, specifically for PvE or PvP
main marsh
For pvp u always want engi
As far as i know, for clothers u can Craft a lot of pre raid bis from tailo
mossy garden
I’m under the impression that you cannot use most engi devices in animal forms?
main marsh
I will prolly start as mining + enchanting, cuz gonna Play lock so free mount, disenchating in free time, so getting some mats from it + ores from mining for engi that i will swap at max
Yeah cant use IT in form
But still top prof
brittle thistle
Think I’m going to do leatherworking just to try something different
small sorrel
@main marsh stealing my ideas :3
main marsh
:3
frigid robin
nty
remote lance
Lol private server
small sorrel
If it weren't for private server enthusiasts and devs showing that vanilla still had some life, and the subsequent fallout/backlash of Nostalrius being given the axe
We wouldn't have the classic re-release
So while you guys make your jokes and memes about em, don't forget to be thankful
karmic juniper
that is no excuse to come in and be dumb
polar vine
Yeah im good
Im pretty sure someone would have brought up classic re release and we still would be getting it without p servers
polar vine
Because people have been talking about it for a long time without actually playing on p servers
Do you think blizzard is unaware of the players opinion on retail
Its a big dick energy move just think about it
mental crystal
Yes I think blizzard is unaware of a lot of things
polar vine
They make money off a game they slowly make shittier
mental crystal
that's been evidenced by almost a decade of design decisions Cx
polar vine
Propose new idea : classic cus its "harder" and favors nostalgia
Get new subs
For an old game
Its just money baby
lusty gazelle
counter point @mental crystal, you think they're aware of what people want from private servers?
private servers have been a thing forever, if they actually cared, they would've done it a long time ago
polar vine
We are all sitting in this channel talking hype about a 15 year old patch in the game. We got got
And the quality of people that have come in here from private servers clearly shows they are smooth brain. Very little life tbh
Like maybe 3% of a human being left give or take
mental crystal
man imagine deluding yourself into thinking that classic will have any better of a demographic 
it'll just be the people from that same group but those who can actually pay a sub
polar vine
Yes
They can pay a sub
Already a step above mentally
Wow has a shit demographic but our players dont read idiot approved guides for classes (most) and the broader tc playerbase gives feedback/comments
Pointless debate really
remote lance
Thankful about a 15 year old game being recreated without any improvements for the nostalgic people? Sure I guess.
I can be thankful about wc3 reforged though
polar vine
I actually know tons about private servers
Because i played the real game
Except i also passed math
small sorrel
I mean blizzard is very aware of a lot more than we assume they are. They just literally don't give a shit.
$ is the bottom line, they give 0 fucks if their player base is miserable or hates them so long as they continue to generate enough revenue
low glade
The Nostalrius incident was free advertisement for the WoW IP. Blizzard was wise to ride the hype train generated instead of trying to stop it
young latch
@polar vine thank you that was exactly what i was looking for quality entertainment
❤
main marsh
Hold up boi, dont touch my bf 😳
young latch
But he asked me too
main marsh
😡
whole swan
Pretty sure they used to before all the blizzard shutdown drama
covert rover
Nostalrius is said to have had 15k right before shutdown during peak time
dense bronze
This isn't the place to mention or discuss any active emulator projects
main marsh
what was the longest av, u played in your life?
proper oracle
heh about 3 hours long.
tiny elm
back in my days AV would last for months, even years... what a dark time it was
dense bronze
Pretty sure that would be in violation
polar vine
Lmfao
bleak cedar
@main marsh I had one where I got in an played for ~45 minutes and then went to bed, got on the next morning before work and it was still the same game. Some of the same people were even still there. Was hilarious. I miss Azgalor.
main marsh
Loo
arctic nest
Guys in theory
If I got high warlord right
In the patch that classic is released
Do I have to maintain high warlord to be able to use the weapons
covert rover
From what I recall you only need to get it once
noble forge
you need to be high warlord in order to buy them
once you have them you can do what ever
(maintaining high warlord is, practically, impossible)
covert rover
Yeah
dense bronze
It was like that after 1.6, prior to that you had to maintain your rank to equip the gear
(fun fact of the day)
dense bronze
1.12
arctic nest
Yikes
dense bronze
I mean its the most complete and logical choice, don't really see how that is yikes
arctic nest
Nah I’m just wondering about how exactly the honour system will function with rewards
dense bronze
For the majority of vanilla after being introduced the honor system was unchanged, so its pretty much the same regardless of what you read about the pre 2.0 honor system
noble forge
you can check their post out
you wont have honor at the start
I think?
after that only world pvp until bgs open
dense bronze
You can see it in the pinned message, the honor system is being added in phase 2
First BGs is being added in phase 3
noble forge
I dont want connected flightpaths
im getting my map out how to get from point a to b
honest ridge
Happy Daddy's Day 🍆 : 🍩
mental crystal
huh
frigid robin
formal iron
wild marlin
small sorrel
can't even be bothered to use an apostrophe
arctic nest
Yea but like during launch we don’t get the pvp system but once pvp ranking system is out is it going to be maintaining the rank = able to use the items or once I hit the rank I permenantly unlock the item
dense bronze
Again, it will be rank to buy to them not to use them
Just make sure you can afford it before you hit the ranks
polar vine
Wat
cold moth
The goldcost is really something you need to consider, repair costs from going for high rank in pvp will be a bitch to maintain, and then to have enough gold left to buy the items when you get the rank...
dense bronze
There were a few stories about people who ranked but couldn't afford the items back in the days 🤷
cold moth
Aye, had to loan money to a friend after he got HWL
Dude played nearly 24/7 for the last three weeks to get the rank
brittle thistle
I was in a guild that farmed the ranks. We did premades with a list of who needed to get what honor each week
Mostly wsg, with the occasional ab. I ran a lot of flags and spent lot of quality time at the mine
polar vine
I dont think people are going to be as poor this time around @cold moth
Were going to efficiently clear raids and dungeons and in turn get tradables faster.
cold moth
tradeables yes, but vendors won't fork ah prices for them, and the only income of gold into the game is from monsters, the money won't come piling in that much faster
less wiping will reduce money leaving the economy via lesser repair amounts, and faster kills will mean more money in per minute of gameplay, but well, it still won't be a downpour of gold
polar vine
Perhaps
brittle thistle
Big brain over here
brittle thistle
I had a buddy back in the day who would just run diremaul and sell greens on the AH
Dude had like 10k in vanilla which was insane
polar vine
Yes but hes implying people wont have the gold to buy everything they want
Which is false
Watch how fast someone hits gold cap compared to anytime during vanilla/bc
covert rover
yeah. .i had 1k and i were considered a rich boye
gritty mural
feral druid seems really hard to gear in classic
all of the dungeon sets are +spirit/spell dmg
whole swan
From what i remember you only need a few items from MC
all others is pre raid shit until bwl
gritty mural
well i don't plan on raiding i have a job
how good is boomkin in pvp classic
i'll just go feral i just have no idea how to gear tank/ dp
dps
whole swan
pvp is more of a multi spec thing, or in bgs you just run flags
covert rover
yeah.. so in many ways it's easier to gear feral
but you need to run dungeons
wierd set. .but we'll see what is bis when we actually know more
right now nobody really knows
it's all taken from other servers which has changed settings etc.. this isn't going to change anything
solar kite
Level up leather working for now
But yeah most of your endgame gear will come from dungeons.
I had a list but it's not accurate
covert rover
don't think any have .. people were clueless as fuck back then
we'll have to wait and see to we actually can get to lvl 60
solar kite
Yeah the list I have is a rough idea of bis but I agree we will have to wait and see
dense bronze
Slighly curious to why EU was excluded from the test, I think Blizzard probably should have clarified that point
But oh well 🤷
tiny elm
EU players had troubles logging into the first stress test, while most US guys did it without a problem
don't know if that's related
maybe their backend suffers too much
tiny elm
my guess is they are about to bring up EU realm(s) online for the next one
dense bronze
No point in guessing honestly, i'm just saying they would probably have gained from being more clear about their reasoning
tiny elm
think about this though - they aren't getting good data from testing EU players connection to US located realms
dense bronze
But still more useful data than OCE players :)
dense bronze
OCE and US is the same region (technically)
But OCE is further away than EU is.
I'm just saying that your argument doesn't make a lot of sense
tiny elm
if realm servers are located in the US and people from OCE will continue to play on them after release it does
dense bronze
But see Ren, by using that logic then long distance testing from EU would also make sense
tiny elm
but we won't be playing on those realms after release 
dense bronze
Highly doubtful OCE will as well, there are servers located in Australia
Same way there is west coast and east coast servers
tiny elm
I just checked though, it looks like the servers are in different location
maybe that's just the only way they can separate people, by region
dense bronze
This whole conversation just loops back to my first point, I just wished they would have had clarified the reason
So people don't need to make up theories
covert rover
dyne - we're always denied
aaaalways denied
we're the 1%
and we always get denied
tbh friend of mine went into the stress testing and he had tons of fun and no real issues
often been endless issues for EU to be able to import chars on test realms long after US has it working
maybe those administering EU servers are just clowns and US can't be arsed dealing with them 
polar vine
Yes i brought hot dogs
brittle thistle
Still a ways away lol
covert rover
yeah.. mostly making fun of them having it up already
but i guess it's nice for testers
polar vine
Havent played runescape in like 2 years though
Still active sub. Cant lose out on that original members fee
potent shard
How are ferals in wpvp in classic
I played one but cant rem, gonna level on a pvp shard
timid hinge
feral is pretty shit in pvp
silk stream
feral is basically unkillable in world pvp
weary narwhal
shit or unkillable?
lusty gazelle
Yes
dense bronze
- A good druid is basically unkillable in world pvp
Minor correction
And that doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to kill your opponent
tiny elm
depends on the situation as well, I doubt you would survive rogue's stunlock if he gets a jump on you either
small sorrel
10s engineering helm stun omegalul
but I was just thinking
a hunter spams concussive shot on you to keep you dazed while you force shift every global
and someone else just wails on you
eventually you oom from shifting and rejuving
polar vine
Has anyone leveled as.prot on test realms?
young latch
If I don't level as bear I'll level as prof. Since I'll have my misses who will be healing
Probs on preist or something like that
tiny elm
@dense bronze turns out all my wild speculations were true
polar vine
🤔
chrome scroll
🇪🇺 time for testing
hearty ermine
wait i thought our test realms were still hosted in the us lol
polar vine
I feel like ur wild speculations were pretty on point and very obvious. Why would they test eu people on na servers
hearty ermine
Well the servers ive been on for beta with wow has always had like 100 ms
which is the same ping i had when playing on us servers
even the ones marked eu were like 100ms
like Brill(EU)
tiny elm
@polar vine I also thought they were quite obvious, but some people disagreed
should've put "wild speculations" in quotes, that was implied
hearty ermine
are the classic servers up at the mo
polar vine
I generally agree with everything dyne says because he is a large brain
But u two were on opposite sides of the argument and i feel like you both had the same conclusion 🤔
young latch
wait so is the current classic stress test a thing ?
quiet plover
wait what?
young latch
is it out yet is what i ment
sullen garden
I think it's out tomorrow
You should have a download on launcher that says live classic and that's the stress test for tomorrow. At least, that's what the forums are saying
young latch
does the fact i dont but also have an active wow sub mean anything
i am on the na server group but im located in australia
polar vine
Straya
young latch
i dont have the thing on my drop down
polar vine
Can i get a winnie
polar vine
A cigarette
young latch
sorry noone calles them a winnie
winnie blue is a brand but noone will call it a winnie
polar vine
Nah
young latch
sorry to burst your bubble
polar vine
They do
I played with guys from australia in bc they spoke like rednecks
Winnie. Thongs. And the C word
16 year old me was traumatized
young latch
lol
polar vine
I thought they meant underwear for the longest time.
young latch
a ciggie or a F A G or other such names are more common
polar vine
I envisioned grown ass men walking about in thongs for far too long
polar vine
Yes i know that...now
Thongs in NA=womens underwear
I can't remember the slang for a beer or whatever brand they drank
chrome scroll
"Authorised by the Australian Government, Canberra"
river locust
anyone know whats up with the servers? just got classic and all realms seem to be fking offline :/
remote lance
Reliving day 1 vanilla experience
tiny elm
it's a bug, you didn't get classic
remote lance
Cant wait to see if they can reproduce loot animation bug. I like kneeling across two zones
shell notch
omgawd I forgot about that one xDxDxD
frigid robin
fair rock
dim sand
young latch
this druid will not be a backup or a plan b ????
young latch
if i play and im consistant being an offtank is fine to me ???
young latch
i did
polar vine
Earthwhisper
dense bronze
polar vine
@dense bronze are you...throwing shade at 7 am?
pearl agate
How dare you post evidence private servers were wrong
solar kite
But but but....
covert rover
Messy
shell notch
still going bearcat in classic. w/e meta P: I'm a hardcore casual, I make it work xD
low glade
The official forums are entertaining to read sometimes. It's funny how there's always people complaining about every decision Blizzard makes
In the case of this european realm structure, you have some Germans and French complaining that they won't have their own servers while Russians complain that they feel excluded for having Russian servers
It's amusing to read that stuff
last bison
Everyone speak English problem solved
low glade
Yeah, that's another funny thing. German people saying they can't write English while writing an entire English post without any major mistake
I gather people love to complain
"I WONT PLAY CLASSIC! Not without a german roleplay server. Period!"
polar vine
That was the sauciest and sassyist diss ive ever seen and he didnt even say 1 single word
🙇 🙇 🙇 🙇
bleak cedar
The only reasonable name for a guardian druid is Bearfucker
young latch
No
polar vine
@young latch my client is giving me the option to download classic?
young latch
Mine did too
I played during the stress test a little
Just was slower than I wanted in getting added to my bnet client
@polar vine
velvet relic
so far front stabbing doesnt work, didnt work on beta (that i heard) and wasnt working on the stress test, do we know if they are purposefully keeping it out? would be a huge bummer.
young latch
Front stabbing is a bug that has only ever worked on private servers they will not put it in classic because it wasn't part of vanilla @velvet relic
velvet relic
laaammmeee, its looks so much more fun. /cry ty though
polar vine
#pserverproblems
rugged zenith
Does moonfire damage still do it's full damage when we go cat form?
Same question with rip and rake, but i would assume they scale with Attack Power which get increased by cat form?
covert rover
how would you apply rip and rake without being in cat form?
moonfire should still do it's "full damage" when you go in catform
but you only use it with LI which you don't use currently because saertooth beat it by miles
and that would be from cat form
oh wait
i'm on classic
reee
from what i recall rake scale with absolutely nothing
not even worth using
i can't remember if rip scale with anything
might not be worth using at all either
we'll see when we get to 60
young latch
16 debuf limit tho
rugged zenith
I did some digging, on 1.12 rip does scale with your AP.
But Moonfire does it full damage when i got cat form, considering it's scale with spell power and you don't lose any when going to cat form.
i'll only do dungeon with druid anyway, i am just looking up some stuff but a lot of things i found about druid is often mixed with TBC version. I want to try some weird builds just to mess arounds lol
gritty mural
Tryna decide to play classic or not, how many hours played does it take to hit 60 again
mental crystal
very many
mental crystal
it's like at least 5 days played time
gritty mural
I thought it was much more than that
Yea my research says 5-15 days played
Pending on spec
Port warrior with no social skills 15. Warlock or feral Druid 5
young latch
Nah hunter is 5
dense bronze
That highly depends on the player
Just playing hunter won't magically make it fast, you will have to have the dedication required and a good route
covert rover
Yeah. You’ll easily end up using 1-2 months unless you have a lot of spare time
polar vine
How does prot warrior take 15
You will get easiest groups and anyone questing as a team will speed it
Add in efficiency it be ez i think most will take ~1.5 months on average
Obviously the unemployed or people not in school will beat that
covert rover
it's going to take me 3 months at least 
polar vine
Ill powerlevel your account for some kit kats and a solid hug
@gritty mural imo you will enjoy classic more if you dont worry about speeding to 60. Its not new content and its more suited for people who experienced it and want that minimal type shit
hearty ermine
gritty mural
I prbly will just play classic in my spare time, I already played classic lol
covert rover
Played it too. Only reason I think I play it now is that the main part of my raid wanna play there. Most of us doesn’t have time for raiding etc so we gather up there instead and chill
vagrant sun
pearl agate
Of course, it’s some random shitter
granite spindle
gusty plume
lone bear
We are the undercats,
polar vine
#deaechannel
brittle thistle
Nothing to talk about. 8.2 will die down right about the time classic launches
main marsh
12 july end of beta
dense bronze
- ^ that
- "leeway" is correctly implemented
- Europe will get french and german servers, NA will have OCE specific servers
- Realm names have been promised to be out before name reservations open up on August 13
That's everything important that have come out last 2 weeks
dense bronze
That is confirmed ages ago
But technically in the last 2 weeks (it was 13 days ago)
polar vine
@main marsh u playing classic?
main marsh
Pretty sure i will, sińce retail is garbanzo
craggy timber
Anyone have good druid macros list for classsic?
viscid island
I dont have it, I'm sorry
Guys, excuse me: I heard druids can generate more treat than full prot warriors, is it true?
covert rover
I think that goes for bears and not feral cat?
At least bears are supposed to have quite good threat
polar vine
I think it was the same threat or else slightly above with all ur thrash stacks?
viscid island
Idk
cold moth
Can't generate threat when you get trucked by crushing and crits, but other than that, bears were fine
Good offtanks for patchwerk!
covert rover
ye.. hence he mentioned 5-man ^^
cold moth
Damn I wish the 20 druid zg video was still in youtube
mental crystal
if you use any hardware created after 2004 im reporting you to blizzard
pearl agate
I feel like the one I picked out was made then
It has an i7, but integrated graphics and only 8gb ram lol
It’s really for school, but classic is the only game I’ll have on it
covert rover
Wonder if my laptop will be able to run it
I mean. I have a computer but the laptop is from 2011 or so
Happy with it but it’s not lightning fast anymore <<
dense bronze
Swap the disk out with an SSD and throw linux on it and it will be good as new
covert rover
Yeah I’ve been running Linux on it ever since I got it. And have an ssd on it
dense bronze
Early ssd without trim?
covert rover
The I swapped over to windows 2 months ago because I wanted to see if there was any diff
dense bronze
not that this is the channel to discuss it... bad me
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gritty mural
They are best at wsg imo
I’d roll a Druid quit my job and hit hwl if I won the lottery
lone latch
are you allowed to even use discord when playing classic or do you have to stick to ventrilo and teamspeak 2? 🤔
lunar crystal
Yahoo! messanger only
covert rover
nim - i hope they unplug you from Bnet when playing classic
i don't want to play with people that is distracted by shit
remote lance
Aim is acceptable
lone bear
mIRC only
covert rover
But muh crit 😦
covert rover
pearl agate
AOL the fuck y’all talking about
covert rover
i used pidgin for so long
because i liked icq
and hated msn
and it gave me access to it all
vry vanilla related
remote lance
This channel should be renamed get off my lawn
dense bronze
Probably won't be much else to discuss until next stress test I guess
Since beta is over and all that
polar vine
Just imagine
Everything will be discussed
Will be an existing thread on official forums
wispy sleet
Can anyone link the best or most recommended leveling build for a Druid in classic?
Or where to put points as you level, etc.
pearl agate
😂😂😂😂😂
polar vine
Yeah reroll
Best exp is resto basic talent mix
And doing quests/dungeons
Quests with mf and wrath
Unless u got gold to respec
remote lance
dense bronze
and some new additions to "not a bug list": https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-not-a-bug-list/175887/45
whole swan
what is the question
whole swan
yeah its alright, pvp 1v1 its hard to lose to anything really
in bgs if ur druid ur probably gonna carry flags anyway
pve u wont be anywhere near top
but its still fine to play
golden kelp
Ok Thank you 😃
dense bronze
Important to note that druid in PVP is not feral only, you shift and you shift a lot
A bad druid will stay in form, a bad druid is a dead druid
In PVE I don't think its accurate to say its "fine to play" , feral requires quite a few quirks and know how to be "ok-ish", that amount of effort will get you further with other classes
Your biggest problem will be convicing guilds to bring you anyway
whole swan
pvp isnt really "feral" its a mix of all 3 trees but you can reset fights constantly
yeah that dyne said
Ofc its fine to play, you offtank when needed and then dps on certain fights when not needed to tank
But then again im assuming its all joke difficulty anyway and people would rather have 40 people then the complete perfect raid setup
dense bronze
Important to be clear about expectations, there won't be tons of open spots for ferals in raids
This may or may not be a factor potenial ferals should consider
dense bronze
Doesn't really change the outcome of my comment
whole swan
I mean, getting your raid gear for feral doesnt really share with anyone else. You wont compete with warriors or even rogues for it
Play warrior if you wanna be like fotm or whatever, but you compete vs so many people for gear
Will see when it comes out, im sure people will use ferals and then it will become more accepted but most opinion is just oh it wasnt used/wont be used
dense bronze
Oh we will definitely see more ferals around, still won't be many per raids and they will still struggle to convince some raids to bring them
They will also have to work a lot harder than those they will be compared against
whole swan
Yeah for sure
dense bronze
What i'm trying to say is that people should have realistic expectations, worst for everyone is if someone rolls druid expecting it to be like retail and then ending up quitting in disappointment
whole swan
thats fair enough
i still believe theres gonna be alot of people playing "bad specs", would be ideal running full of warriors and other blaster specs but its not that optimal with all them competing for gear
at the end of the day, play what is fun. Im gonna play druid because i enjoy it ^^
dense bronze
The meta won't be identical to emulators
Exactly how big difference there will be is hard to say, but there have been enough difference between classic and emulators to have some impact.
whole swan
I mean even on current wow certain specs have been / are awful
noble forge
druid does compete for gear tho but you certaintly are right running 30 warriors or something even if its optimal speed comp wont make sense in a raid
not really no
whole swan
Feral wont take warrior/hunter gear ( im not 100% sure on cat dps items ) but from tank pov
dont you take the leather resistance gear and even gear with int and stuff that others dont use?
noble forge
as tank?
whole swan
stuff like warden staff etc
no competition
I havent got a list open i was looking at it the other day
But i was sure rogues wont roll vs the items you need as tank pretty much. maybe 1-2 items max in whole of MC
noble forge
you need threat so you certaintly will need dmg items
going full defensive wont be realistically useful
whole swan
Unless im wrong didnt most abilities have like x threat regardless?
for bear
maybe maul did more
whole swan
Auto attack, Crowd pummler and maybe swipe lul
noble forge
and im sure you want stuff like hit
whole swan
Lemme find the list hold on
dense bronze
I would think hit would be higher priority in classic than emulators at least, after all emulators got it wrong
noble forge
hit was wrong too?
whole swan
Yeah but most of the gear isnt even from molten core
noble forge
wasnt expertise the thing which was massivly off
whole swan
its quest rewards and dungeon items
what was it bosses had that was released, 14% something
parry or?
dense bronze
weapon skill / hit
noble forge
parry is 17% I think
whole swan
Not 100% sure how accurate this is, but items like this from MC that only have stam + fire resistance
Pretty sure you dont roll vs rogues for it
cause no other stats
i think its bwl when druid starts getting alot more raid upgrades
Only item that i would for sure say you have competition for is ring from rag cause its agil stam and 2% hit
remote lance
yeah you're not going to get that ring
remote lance
cat and bear priorities are pretty different. Most of the feral drops are stuff nobody else wants. However with that said I don't know how much you improve your character just from these gear
since scaling was also an issue iirc
whole swan
Yeah wont know till its out to know for sure, but im sure if your gearing for bear you can get near fully kitted without someone else saying oh i need that
unlike warrior tank which shares alot of items
remote lance
yeah, most bear tank stuff are actually stuff outside of the raid
and the few items that do drop in raids are high armor + strength+ agi that nobody else really uses
dense bronze
That is of course assuming you will be tanking most of the time
remote lance
remember this thing, rofl
with all that said I don't really see that many guilds wanting/able to min/max though
whole swan
Like i know as bear i would be offtanking for large majority of time, some fights throwing out dispells and shit
Its mixed role as druid, im happy to do it
remote lance
like what's the point, world 76th on a 15 year old boss?
dense bronze
https://classicdb.ch/?item=23226#comments I had this one, might still be in the bank somewhere
remote lance
yeah for sure, also in the category of nobody wants stuff
whole swan
Will you both play classic? and what you playing if so?
remote lance
i ran WSG with 300 FR and max armor, and green whelp armor before they nerfed it
because 40 second sleep on a proc is balanced
I'm not
whole swan
wasnt that the low level green item that had like 5% chance to sleep?
whole swan
😄
remote lance
took them quite a while to nerf
whole swan
Wasnt there an item that like slept and was from mobs in westfall
i cant remember the name
the dust devil mobs
remote lance
if it's a consumable i probably didn't use it