who cares abouyt that haha
#classic
vocal halo
dense bronze
perception was shit
vocal halo
sword skill was -really- good. esp since many of the good weapons were, in fact, swords
dense bronze
Anyone who pvp'ed cared about that
escape artist and stoneform, two really good racials
vocal halo
those were also good
i seriously dont know if im going horde or alliance in classic though...
i want to raid, but i really just want to be a MT or a RL so i can get me a juicy set of gear
dense bronze
There is only 1 right answer and the wrong answer is 
whole swan
pfft
vocal halo
idk, been horde for 15 years
kind lotus
go tbc and play mage tank
vocal halo
that was literally 1 fight
whole swan
go rogue and tank multiple instead
kind lotus
fuck rogues, no one likes rogues
dense bronze
gruuls lair, the glory days of mages
that is just really sad
like really really sad
kind lotus
just like people who play rogue
whole swan
Theres probably gonna be so many warriors, just hopefully some will actually want to tank
short spade
Warrior was so painful to level, so maybe the less dedicated ones will reroll within the first 10 levels 😄
short spade
I'm more likely to be the priest friend than the warrior in that scenario. But even more likely to play druid. I imagine travel form being amazeballz when you can't afford riding/mounts.
dense bronze
It is, and you can run in circles around all your poor friends
Until they get the mount and start running circles around you again
because you spent all your gold on stupid stuff instead of saving it since you have travel form
short spade
Haha true! 😄
covert rover
I have to go alliance it seems
Since my guiltiest duck
So when nelf no longer is best dps I go nelf
Gg
Did druids have cover in vanilla?
Cant remember
median fractal
can't wait to roll lock in Classic
even if it sucks
always played lock and that will never change
covert rover
Lock was strong as fuck back then
covert rover
Only downside is you need to farm tons of soul shards
I played lock back then
Practically invincible in pvp
median fractal
ehh not that big a deal
covert rover
Well. High damage too
Hearthstones felt very good
Very tanky
Good bit more go than tanks
inner bronze
sry what was the command again for mose over in classic?
dense bronze
In macros?
inner bronze
Yes
dense bronze
Same as retail @mouseover
inner bronze
can you tipe me the full maccro I am trying but none seams to work?
dense bronze
What ability are you trying to macro?
dense bronze
/cast [@mouseover,help] SPELLGOESHERE
inner bronze
Thx for the help but it didn't worked on my server
dense bronze
Then he is in the wrong place
tired hound
for purposes of clarity, the interview was with Tipsout and John Hight and Omar Gonzalez. Here's the mmo champ link: https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/8513-WoW-Classic-Summit-Fan-Site-Interviews
so yaaay. realm xfers.
dense bronze
I see, here is Ion on the question of ingame shop:
Ion Hazzikostas: Definitely not at launch. We may down the line if it's something that players want. When we say the shop I mean specifically only the services that were available in the original Classic period. Things like server transfers and race changes were available later in Classic. I could see a world in--let's say a year into Classic--as realms have become mature where a player wants to transfer to a different server to join a guild there to play with their friends, and they want us to provide a way that can make it happen. That's the sort of things we would do but no pets and mounts for sale or anything like that.
tiny dew
Race changes were wrath ion
pearl agate
I don’t think there should be character services either
We didn’t have that
You wanted to race change?
tiny dew
October 27, 2009
dense bronze
Race changed was added 2009
pearl agate
Roll a new toon
noble forge
Guess i Remember wrong 
dense bronze
Paid transfer was added 2006, I thought it was first added in TBC but I was wrong 🤷
dense bronze
That was the free transfer
agile plume
i never played the early games, classic.. so i never saw these fucking models before.. my god.. i dont think i would have went horde back then. which is funny cause i have never made an alliance guy since ive played.
dense bronze
W..what do you mean? 
dense bronze
You are wrong!
low steeple
Does the horde cat form still like collapse on itself when it sits down?
covert rover
so it fits very well
agile plume
i havent been able to get in the actual game yet. just character screen. so you may be right.
feel like if i played classic.. id be an alliance guy and my whole outlook on this story would be different.
maaaybe id convert to horde later.. but who knows.
dense bronze
You can't have horde and alliance on same server, traitors are not allowed
agile plume
tbh i feel like alliance will be lacking this time around.. since ppl like horde a lot now it seems. guess ill try to balance it out and go alliance..
and yeah thats good too.. 1 faction only.
covert rover
i've always been horde.. would stick with horde if i could get away with it >(
would also make leveling so much faster
having to lvl as alliance will make it take weeks >.<
polar vine
Every model was ugly as fuck
Undead master race we straight creeps
Whats up dyne and weird eyebrows though
agile plume
i do love undead. great lore, great areas. just solid race.
undead priest or rogue is in my future most likely.
idk movepools back then.. i do hope one of those have AOE damage
pearl agate
Ally was better back then anyways
polar vine
Alliance weirdos tootin their own horns again
Smh
Human character run animation = the real garbage
pearl agate
I’m not Ally but I will be in Classic lol
covert rover
yeah.. am horde too. .but ally in classic if i get time
agile plume
im curious how much time im actually going to invest in classic. excited to get a feel for it and dive in.
too bad i have a baby on the way.. early July!
dense bronze
unfortunate timing, but congratulations
silk stream
Still got time to abort it
upbeat knot
young latch
@silk stream not if he lives in Alabama
chilly gale
am i the only one who refuses to belive ferals are meme in classic?
remote lance
nature's grasp for leveling what the fuck
i guess for omen
i guess it's no big deal since all the trees suck for leveling
quaint fossil
whole swan
front shred wont work on classic right
remote lance
correct
i wonder how many days have passed after you killed a pack using that MT rotation
whole swan
Thorns OP 😄
young latch
Thorns so good
whole swan
Id imagine if its popular on launch its gonna be a nightmare getting mobs unless you get ahead of the pack
So grabbing multiple might be difficult
whole swan
I dont think so, but if the spawns are awful
then it could be an option
5min respawns on quest mobs and shit
And hundreds of people in the zone, great
remote lance
the real question is whether they can reproduce the nostagalic 10 second delay on live day 1
tacit tartan
maybe if you can get a bunch of mages together to make the pulls go faster
dense bronze
If you have all the quests, are close to the dungeon and have a group its worth doing
Time wise that is
If you are just messing around you should probably do the dungeons anyway
But if you are aiming for low /played to 60 you should just avoid it like the plague
whole swan
I just see there being so many bottle neck quests in certain zones
And then getting to the contested ones later will be a nightmare if you roll PVP
Should be fun though
young latch
I'm not looking forward to centaur heads
whole swan
like westfall, the amount of people going for defias messenger
goodluck with that one
cold moth
Hello! I hear druids are going to be bad in classic. Is that true?
whole swan
i mean, what you wanting to do
remote lance
gl
remote lance
you'll be fine as long as you live in Gnomerigan
whole swan
Perfectly fine for tanking 5 mans, fine for pvp flag running
Raiding, not so much
Will be bosses you can definetly tank
Others you wont be tanking
cold moth
I want to be a useful person for all content
Whats a good class in classic for that
?
whole swan
Im pretty sure guilds will have feral off tanks
being reliable, showing up and putting the effort in
then play whatever you want
cold moth
Usefull for all content, roll mage
whole swan
its not optimal but its not as if the raids are "difficult"
Best class is probably warrior, but then your competing with so many others
cold moth
The worst part about mage (aside from the glorious rotation of 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1) would be that you are a dime a dozen
But atleast there will be less off you than of rogues and warriors
whole swan
Will ignite still work the same way as it did? That all mages ignites combined together
cold moth
Rolling ignites, who gets to be the tank this time
Never had to worry about ignites in vanilla myself, our tanks couldn't generate enough threat for even frost, so I just stayed frost till TBC
young latch
@cold moth tbh if you like cat then just play rogue
cold moth
@young latch I was thinking about doing that
young latch
Rogues and warriors are the go to "best" least needing a bunch of messing with to make viable
fiery cypress
for people wondering what class to play: are you really planning on doing 40-person raiding as your main activity?
so much discussion of the meta centers around that and i really don't think that's going to be what people spend a lot of time on
young latch
And most people will jump in and play casually a few hours at a time, same as current wow. Meta is irrelevant for at least 60% of players if not all the way up to 80%
cold moth
most of the time will be spent in BRD before they release dire maul
young latch
yeah but mages and warlocks are poopy tho
pearl agate
Hey now
brittle thistle
It’s so funny the dorks already trying to tell people they can’t play certain specs as if the game isn’t going to be crazy easy
mental crystal
:)
agile plume
just play what you enjoy. playing best class but you dont like it will be miserable.
everything will be good enough for the game.
also.. after playing in the starting zones.. i have to go ranged dps..
i didnt know tags were a thing.. and u cant share kills
pearl agate
Yup
solar kite
Lol @agile plume, yeah took me an hour to do all the quests in the starting area
modest cypress
ty
solar kite
I had to camp one of the spawn points for everythingol
weary narwhal
party loot does apply, but you wont always get a quest item
took ages, like it did back in the day to complete the quests, and it was fun
wild marlin
dense bronze
It builds character
cold moth
Ba-dum-tshh
covert rover
Tbh I never minded it
The slowly spawning mobs in highly quested areas annoyed me though
polar vine
I like seeing dyne talk oftenly
dense bronze
Well someone got to keep you in line
gray widget
polar vine
Dyne coming in with the low blows before the sun even rises that is dedication
agile plume
so... i did the stress test.. did a handful of quests and killed shit on an undead rogue.. felt good, really enjoyed it.
solar kite
Parties did work. But it's either free for all or round robin
agile plume
did the same thing right after on bfa. undead rogue.. and idk.. its just different.
sure it might be classic is "new" atm.. but i prefer the feel, pace, the way the quests and shit are handled.
bfa gameplay feels like autopilot.
solar kite
^ agreed
cold moth
Current gameplay has an inherent sense of emergence
Vanilla, even on a pvp server, I found myself standing on a mountain top with my worg pup and just admiring the scenery at times
BFA, quick quick, next WQ then search for a group, oh did I remember to login my mage and check the mission table?
Theres no sense of wonder, no time for that
Just after launch it was there for a brief moment, but it died out quickly, everything happens so fast, that you are in a rush to get to the next new thing
Vanilla, you wanted to get to the next new thing, but you needed to stop for a second, the drops weren't 100%, those Zhevras weren't going anywhere, or they were dead already, poke around for a bit
Things took so much longer, that you had more time to stand still
agile plume
yep thats true. you try to contain that and be like.. heyy no rush for 120, whatever.. but the way the game plays out and you just do. you almost want to "get it over with"
i do try to take time and just chill and explore, look up every once in a while. find the highest mountain.
cold moth
If you just killed the mobs you had to for the quests, and quickly returned them, you found yourself with 0 quests and skull level monsters ahead, might aswell poke around a bit
Explore
shell notch
Omgawd I'm stoked to bear it up in classic ^^
I figure in total ill have bear, prot war, and shammy. I'm stoked :) yall going bear for it too?
pearl agate
0 chance
shell notch
aiight i'ma just travel form while yall walk it ;P i've seen solid damage in dungeons/etc so oh well I'll enjoy it. Not really interested with meta. Ever really lmao if you're good enough you can bypass meta nonsense ;)
it's always awkward seeing a guardian discord channel with barely any that like bear :)
it's always awkward seeing a guardian discord channel with barely any that like bear :)
polar vine
Aight
solar kite
What is it with the damn trolls lately? I mean if you played classic you knew bears couldnt reach defense cap....
solar kite
Yeah but you prolly had a specific list of end game gear that maybe 1 or 2 other people had. I'm all for bear tanking but it's just not going to be something that everyone can achieve.
pearl agate
The problem is people try to apply current logic to Vanilla reality and it’s just wrong
royal fossil
ye priests were tanks in classic
tired hound
nexii my dude it sounds like you're not going to be playing druid at all in classic. feral -> shit. bear -> shit. resto druid -> shit.
so are you around just to shit on people who do want to try out other things
i guess it's fine if u are since this channel is lightly moderated anyway, but i'm just trying to figure out your angle
pearl agate
You are correct, I won’t be playing Druid
Resto actually isn’t shit though
Could put balance there though
solar kite
Balance didnt exist in classic lol
celest snow
Isnt everything but Resto shit in Classic?
solar kite
Nexis was right though
pearl agate
Yes
Resto was decent as a healer
But it isn’t just Druid
All hybrid classes were terrible outside one spec
solar kite
Resto was the only viable class for druid.
noble forge
for me at least the issue is when people call things "viable"
celest snow
Ye I read every hybrid class that has heals too was basically a healing vlass
solar kite
Look at the gear blizz dropped for druids, it was all healer gear
noble forge
I guess it totally depends on your definition of viable
noble forge
like sure you can do mythic dungeons currently with a voidwalker tank I would not call that viable though
pearl agate
Viability is only the measurement of how much you are willing to be carried
noble forge
for sure you can
tacit tartan
well classic is significantly less restrictive for endgame pve content
celest snow
And you also have to keep in mind your chances of joining any guilds clearing endgame content.
tacit tartan
sure, but with 40 it's a lot more loose
pearl agate
People will play Mage, Rogue, etc in mass
celest snow
Theyre more likely to take a mage over a boomkin or elemental shaman or whatevs
pearl agate
So no shortage of that
noble forge
is it though? that again really depends on what is happening
and how many people are going to play
pearl agate
At the beginning people will play whatever
Then they will see how it is
And gravitate to the 5-6 good classes
tacit tartan
a good chucnk won't even ake it to 60
noble forge
if guilds cant fill rosters at all im sure you can find guilds as a feral druid however if you have quite a lot of raiders willing to play no guild will ever pick you over a rogue
pearl agate
Especially if they are interested in clearing content and not just roaming around leveling
celest snow
Ye I think only the more "hardcore" players will reach endgame content anyways
pearl agate
I think close to 80% won’t hit 60
celest snow
Since the more "hardcore" players will be the players wanting to run good comps/ viable comps I think its more than likely to see people favoring the 'good' classes
solar kite
Hopefully blizz doesn't have a boatload of servers dedicated to classic, would hate to have to hop servers to join a hardcore guild
So, lots of warriors, mages, locks, rogues, and hunters for dps
noble forge
but ye for me at least I will always tell people that they should play what they want to - but putting stuff into perspective is imo good like hybrid dps in vanilla being compareable to pure healer dps in retail
tacit tartan
ya, and rerolling is a huge issue in classic
in live 'play what you want' isn't as big an investment
pearl agate
Right
tacit tartan
you don't like someting, just fire up an alt
noble forge
even worse if you are in a later progression like naxx where your dmg/tankyness matters more
and you have to gear through AQ and bwl which your guild may not want to run as much
tacit tartan
even spec swapping requires a decent investment
celest snow
In general, do people have experience of healing in Classic?
Since im doubting to play a healer since dps will be in abundance
stoic spire
I healed MC as a shaman.
pearl agate
You mean you played totem bitch
stoic spire
I wasn’t good back then, not many were. I wasn’t totem twisting like they do now.
I was enhance, don’t remember how much resto I needed for healing.
But that’s why I switched to rogue.
stoic spire
Enhance was a lot of fun back in vanilla.
pearl agate
Maybe so
stoic spire
Pretty good in pvp as well.
But the first toon I lvled in the classic beta is a Druid. Wanted to see how it felt. Didn’t play one in vanilla.
solar kite
Fun to play in general, just endgame expect to heal @stoic spire
celest snow
Its also quite funny that these are the class guides on wowhead
Basically sums up what ppl just said
tacit tartan
i'm just waiting for the shaman tanking guide
celest snow
hahah. Imagine enhancement still being a tanking spec. Might actually be a viable spec then xD
brittle thistle
I had pvp gear and green fire resist gear when I ranked ony. But yea, it was more of a “I bet I can do it” kinda thing
Tanked**
agile plume
What we’re trying to say is..we should just delete this #classic channel. Since we are all Druid players.
I don’t mind going rogue or trying mags for the first time. Seems like it would be cool.
mental crystal
yes mages have very exciting gameplay from what i hear :)
pearl agate
I am a Lock player in Classic
shell notch
@agile plume basically. Dreamgrove has so many haters of druids....when it's a druid server. Asking for advice? "just reroll to resto or another toon" sheeeeesh. just leave the damn server if you don't like druids. Seriously so many haters in the bear and classic chat -_- all the meta crazies wet their diapers when someone plays something different lmao
restive grotto
its more that in general people that go out of their way to search for information on discord generally do it because they want to perform well. And in general you're not going to perform well in classic as druid unless youre healing
stuck locust
if someone told you to reroll when you asked a question it was probably a joke 😛
solar kite
Uh, well it's classic, and if you want to perform well in classic as a druid. Guess what you heal.
stuck locust
rerolled right out of the game 
stuck locust
i dont 😦
lilac wharf
🤠
pearl agate
Why does classic bring all the special people out
solar kite
Because they think their special and they've been babied their whole life
pearl agate
Like they have waiting 12 years to come out and change everything
Like it’ll be any different than the first time
Just because people have a passion for Druids doesn’t mean you are naive to their shortcoming
tacit tartan
@restive grotto i got beta too! but servers down :<
restive grotto
shell notch
I can't wait to see all the people QQ when they realize that classic is difficult/tedious lmao. Well maybe not super difficult, but it'll be challenging in a different way. That people will probably love to complain about xD
shell notch
P:
pearl agate
I can’t wait for people to realize the actual state of Druid when they try to bash people for giving advice
tacit tartan
i mean, druid's pretty good for leveling
solar kite
We will see how "good" bears are in classic lol
tacit tartan
which is gonna be 99% of content for most ppl for the first month or so
tacit tartan
if you playing classic for the leveling, druid's pretty fun
dense bronze
Gulohar: Do you want people to lie? it would be dishonest to tell people they will be perfectly fine as for example balance
Nobody is saying they aren't allowed to try it, just that it will be a lot harder than necessary
shell notch
Hmm sounds like I may have hurt your guys' feelings, I'm sorry. Just irritating that people hate on druids so much when they should be making themselves good enough to defy the meta. Sure they won';t be top tier since they aren't as op as other classes but damn. Grow a uterus and be a badass to prove people wrong. Or to just have fun however you want. People cutting others down for playing what they like and asking for advice to be better is messed up.
restive grotto
shell notch
I have a high tolerance but damn, hearing multiple people say, in response to asking how to be better, "just reroll, that spec sucks atm" is so irritating -_-
fiery mantle
restive grotto
i mean theres not many ways to "defy" the meta in a game thats 12 years old and completely figured out
dense bronze
I think you misunderstand people intents, most people who ask have no idea what druid actually was
They are used to druid in retail where every spec is actually viable, this isn't really the case if you compare it to vanilla
Sure, you can technically play balance but thinking it will be simple in PVE just lead to disappointment and then whining later on
I can guarantee you that 4-5 months from now this channel will be flooding with people who are whining that they can't get raid spots, or that their dps sucks
shell notch
I understand that some specs in vanilla are just SoL but I'll just keep playing what I enjoy the most. And if no one invites because of that then i'll make my own groups with blackjack and hookers
restive grotto
go for it noones telling you you're not allowed to play a spec
solar kite
By all means Gulohar go ahead play what spec you want in classic. I leveled and played feral. Did I raid on my druid? No I didn't, I had to bring my hunter.
If you truly want to push bear then here
Analyze the hell out of this
That'll give you every peice of gear that you need to heal, dps (as feral), and tank
Notice there is no boomy spec. Classic will be a challenge and good luck
shell notch
Awesome, ty <3
royal fossil
i thought raiding was more of an extra thing that only tryhards did
and that leveling was the game
covert rover
@shell notch - I’m overall the guy that play feral no matter the state of feral. And if I get time to play vanilla it will be a feral too just to see if I can make it work and how far
covert rover
But let’s be real. Boeing half the dps of an evenly playing person will be tough to deal with
hardy siren
can raid on something else
covert rover
Some fights it’s down to 40% of good specs
hardy siren
yo you dont have to be THAT real
covert rover
We don’t really see that on live and haven’t for a long time
restive grotto
people take for granted how insanely balanced retail is at this point
covert rover
Yeah. I mean. We bash them when some specs do tons more on special types of aoe fights which does feel shit for low ones
But overall it’s super balanced
Vanilla was a bunch of happy scrubs playing around
A friend of mine leveled a spirit warrior
Imagine somebody leveling an agi boomie now?
I haven’t seen that since cats
hardy siren
mega staff deeps
covert rover
Cata
restive grotto
i mean we flame them when a spec is 5% ahead on a ST fight now
classic had specs literally 50% behind on straight ST
noble forge
@covert rover TO BE FAIR
spirit is actually quite decent
for leveling
the extra regen isnt really bad
covert rover
Fucking lol
That was her exact reasoning
Problem for a warrior being
Not doing any dmg at all
BUT REGENINNING DURING COMBAT WOOOOH
XD
noble forge
also out of combat
covert rover
Yes
polar vine
@solar kite that source is irrelevant
polar vine
Thats Like 3 people citing private server data in the past 3 days
"3% or whatever" 
"Fuck taladril" can we pin that?
stoic spire
@covert rover what are you saying is the best stats for lvling a warrior? I’ve never done it but I’ve seen the math that suggests adding spirit for a warrior can really help due to decreasing down time.
pearl agate
@polar vine that dude
polar vine
It was a popular method im pretty sure
pearl agate
“Whatever 3% stats amount to”
polar vine
Cus doesnt some green shit give str/spirit?
stoic spire
Yea the vanilla stats are all over the place.
polar vine
@pearl agate yeah now other people are citing hisnfucking doc as evidence that somehow ferl and bear are above average
stoic spire
You can get cloth with all 4 stats on it.
polar vine
Some people actually just come in here and believe whatever they read that boosts their opinion 
solar kite
Lol I asked earlier in the week for someone to clarify that document. Thanks for looking at it.
polar vine
If it has taladrils name on it just throw it away 💅 💅
pearl agate
I don’t think I’ll ever get over the guide
polar vine
Nah
That was legendary
Actually fucking hilarious and yet incredibly sad at the same time
Like a car company saying "yeah when the gas light comes on, you got like 20 miles left, or whatever"
pearl agate
In what
noble forge
if you compare it to shaman and pala
pearl agate
polar vine
LIL
noble forge
I'd say bear is better
polar vine
LOL
polar vine
Not really because the difference is socgreat you either have S tier or D tier
And maybe bear is B tier
polar vine
Like yeah its above average but average ia dogshit
noble forge
perfect
yes
but that wasnt the discussion!
technically correct, best kind of correct
polar vine
People are confusing "above avg" and "viable" and these caveman guides from p servers dont help
remote lance
They will be viable because bad guilds wont be able to fill 40 man roster
pearl agate
That is true
remote lance
So you settle
It's a different story when back then nobody knew what they were doing
pearl agate
Pally and War
covert rover
paladin?
pearl agate
Well really they compete with only Pally yeah
Cause Bear and Warrior aren’t even close
remote lance
Bear tank did do very well in tanking hateful strike though
Because armor cap is good and hs cant crit
covert rover
they can take a big hit
remote lance
I'm pretty sure you took less damage than warrior for hateful strike
But that was it
covert rover
i'm trying hard to remember if we ever used bear tanks for raids
did often for dungeons npnp
our 2 main tanks were warriors though
remote lance
Dungeons are jokes though you can shaman tank most of them
And earth shock and rockbiter was amazing threat
covert rover
yes
remote lance
I think I played lotp on loatheb for a little bit of extra dps since you can only heal once every minute anyway
But I healed most fights
pearl agate
You could void walker tank a lot of it though
pearl agate
The real question is Bear > VW or no?
covert rover
dunno
only tried raidleading as feral
but yeah.. probably far easier as ranged
WW?
vanilla have the downside that i have to actually play other specs.. or.. dig far deeper into the versatality of the spec
i like to heal people even to this day .. as a part of feral
i really miss tranq
but the hybrid part is very low now compared to the past
being able to tank for real
tank died?
you just tanked for the rest of the encounter
instead of ressing him
because you got aggro instantly
and fuck going out of form to ress >(
and tranq was just massive fucking healing
i loved seeing the raid getting hit by shit and just tranq it
pearl agate
WW?
remote lance
I dont really care that much if people want to play the not as good specs as long as they are not trying to justify a spot over a better class piloted by a similarly proficient player
pearl agate
Yeah I’m fine with that
remote lance
Vanilla is forgiving enough anyway
pearl agate
Arguing the opinion that you are viable just because you wanna be doesn’t work lol
remote lance
I did also tank huhuran because I was the first person in the guild with a full nature resist gear
But tanking huhuran just mean you afk next to her so
covert rover
nex- my head is stuck on WindWalker right now .. what's vw?
pearl agate
Voidwalker
remote lance
I tanked a bunch of stuff in raids when needed but I never sat a prot for me to tank unless he was an absolute potato
covert rover
and yeah.. is the same thing for me
remote lance
Nice delete
remote lance
I remember when people thought I was a God for just knowing how to do razor gore mc
covert rover
because you can't call people aucustic and such anymore
remote lance
That's how bad it was back then
covert rover
so the word just deleted it all
and yeah.. things really has changed..
i wonder how many hardcore people are going into vanilla
covert rover
there's such a huge difference in the amount of knowledge and accessivbility from back then and now
remote lance
I loved playing vanilla at the time but you wont convince me to do it again
Because you cant recreate that experience
remote lance
It's never been about the game
covert rover
and my guild most likely will play
remote lance
Game wasn't that good
pearl agate
I’ll debating how hard to go
covert rover
which is why i play silly class
pearl agate
I’d honestly love to go all in
remote lance
If I played i would still play druid and heal and off tank when needed
I dislike how little control tanks have on their well being back then
covert rover
yep
remote lance
10 minute last stand and 45 minute shield wall? Why
covert rover
tanking was horrible
i first started tanking for real in cata
because DK was super fucking fun with their selfheal, active mitigation and such
remote lance
Bearcat was at its peak for cata
covert rover
i loved the feeling of control
remote lance
And then ripped next expac
covert rover
yep
i started with bear/cat tank
in cata
kept tanking with that too
but ended up being cat fulltime even for the "tanking" parts
took the dk for actual tanking
remote lance
My dual specs were full tank and bearcat
Difference being just infected wounds really
Two things about cata were great. Bearcat and tier 13
covert rover
also still having tranq
remote lance
Indeed
covert rover
felt godlike when the raid popped something stupid outside of healers cds
and you were like
"IT'S COOL! CAT GOT THIS!"
remote lance
I only full time catted at start of John madden era
covert rover
XD
remote lance
And I made a lot of pure classes ， mostly rogues mad
Because for the first time feral did top tier dmg
remote lance
Just need to buy a manglebot
pearl agate
I debated tanking just because I didn’t back then
But then I forgot I don’t like tanking anymore
pearl agate
All the best parts
noble forge
wondering how much people will be able to solo in vanilla
and with which class - probably actually druid or pala for that one
remote lance
Onyxia 3 man for 5 years
covert rover
Our battlecry were basically “WAIT FOR THREE SUNDERS”
agile plume
Just wanna get classic now so I can level my blood elf monk.
mental crystal
wh
lusty gazelle
@tight quiver 😃 the patch plan is here 😃
dense bronze
@tight quiver Click the pin icon up in the right corner, in case you are unsure where that it is I've provided you a helpful screenshot
Hope this helps
agile plume
I just want to play and quest with my +1. Hopefully it’s easy to party with friends.
noble forge
why would there be issues partying with others?
just gotta decide on playing on the same server
agile plume
I guess I don’t understand the layer thing then.
noble forge
dense bronze
@shy pond Hope this helps
pearl agate
Lulz
muted siren
I'm colorblind, can you make it orange for us druids to see better? 😃
remote lance
so for classic
rotund forge
^^^^^^^^^^^^
remote lance
will you get banned if you edit out Skeram's temple to go to C'thun directly?
dense bronze
Yes
rotund forge
How about you report back and let us know bro
remote lance
that's disappointing
limber hollow
Here's a super niche classic question: Does spell damage effect Thorns in any way?
mental crystal
isn't thorns just flat damage?
limber hollow
I don't know, that's why i'm asking
shy pond
ye it is @mental crystal
remote lance
Unless you took improved thorns lel
steady bone
Was the goldgain tweaked during the stresstest? I was leveling to lvl 5 and I already had my first Gold. I thought it was hard to get?
dense bronze
XP converted to money if you are capped
sage siren
guys , can druids herb while in travelform or catform?
cant seem to find the same anwer anywhere
in classic ofc
steady bone
Collecting stuff while transformed came in WotLK if I'm not totally wrong
steady bone
@dense bronze yeah ok I know that, but it was on my way to lvl 5. 🤔
rigid glacier
You could collect herbs in flight form in TBC
100%. That's how I farmed my epic flight mount
remote lance
the pecking causing rage
chrome nova
Sounds like a weird thing to have added later on imo
Then again blizz did a lot of illogical things, so kot impossible
polar vine
I thought it was bc but idrk tbh
small sorrel
you know what's gonna be fun?
finding someone who's mining/herbing a node on a pvp realm
using the rocket engineering helm to stun them for 10s and steal the node/herb
so always remember to wear your PvP trinkets when resource gathering folks
light sparrow
hey guys will I be able to play a feral in classic and get into raids? I keep seeing mixed reviews online and im not sure what the correct response is.
tacit tartan
you can get in if they're ok with you being sub-par
you're basically half a dps
but some guilds might be ok with that, assuming you're ok with being a drag on the raid also
young latch
But
There is also the whole raid needs 2-4 druids so you might be one if They have enough heals
limber hollow
I feel like the type of guild that will let VDH tank mythic BOD will probably let Feral Druid tank most anything not impossible in Classic. These types of guilds do exist, after all
young latch
Problem becomes just getting to 60 takes so many hours most peeps will quit
tacit tartan
yeah. playing a non-healing druid is fine as long as you're aware you're investing so much time into somethign that's worse
it's a huge investment getting a character up to 60
light sparrow
im fine with being worse as long as its enjoyable for me to play. I started playing in lich king and mained a feral for years. i loved being a cat dps and having utility like innervate bear form and tranq to help save raids. idc about topping charts
tacit tartan
well it's compeltely diff
wild sparrow
I tanked sometimes on Twin Emperors because I could do it, but you can do whatever you want
tacit tartan
it's not even a matter of topping charts
wild sparrow
like one person doesnt actually matter that much
tacit tartan
in classic some specs do half the damge of others
wild sparrow
ye
tacit tartan
so if you're fine with getting carried by the rest of your guild
while you do 50% of the damage
wild sparrow
I was useless in that spec anywhere else but on that fight I could do some shit damage instead of healing
tacit tartan
and knowing that you're still putting in just as much time to get your charcter to 60
wild sparrow
ye
wild sparrow
I think you can do a lot more now that people are just more experienced playing MMOs
because nobody ever considered playing feral really in vanilla
because nobody did because it sucked dick and everyone sucked
but I would expect that you'd be forced to be healer almost everywhere
because people are idiots like that
tacit tartan
there are plenty of 'bad' guilds that just don't care about effectiveness
and there's no easy pugging so
if you get into a guild as feral, then you know they're ffine with it
wild sparrow
yeah that's the problem hybrids had in vanilla
small sorrel
@light sparrow I don't wanna burst your bubble, but if you never played Vanilla. This is what's gonna happen. You're gonna spend a lot of time just leveling to 60. Like a lot. A lot more than you think. Then you're going to spend a shit ton of time gearing up, which is not going to be easy. Then you'll have to actually take the time to properly enchant all your gear, which was much much more expensive and annoying to do in vanilla than anything you're used to. You're going to do all of that, and then even IF you manage to play the rotation perfectly, you'll still do 45% of the damage of a good pure dps class (while occupying several of the precious 40 debuff slots a mob can have), and more than likely you're just gonna end up tanking more often than you will be dpsing if you don't get suckered into playing resto before that.
The raid encounters in vanilla weren't objectively that difficult compared to the crazy shit we see now, but just getting 40 people together even is going to be a challenge for most guilds, so you'll probably find a spot without much difficulty if you can hit 60 and gear up without being too far behind the curve. The problem is, only the casual guilds are going to let you stay feral dps, when you do so much less damage than the rest. And unfortunately the casual guilds will die out very quickly when they realize how much time and effort they're gonna need to put in just to keep a stable 40 man roster without resorting to pugging in filler slots.
So you can play what you want and have fun most definitely, but you're gonna have to fight tooth and nail to keep what you earn.
frigid robin
low glade
Apparently you can do some rather competitive dps as feral if you micro the shit out of your rotation. You can get a helmet that gives extra energy when you shift into cat and a 2h mace that increases attack speed on use (limited charges)
That won't make you top the dps charts but should be enough to justify your raid spot
Don't forget you bring an extra rebirth even as feral, and there are no limits to how many battle rezes you can use in classic
low glade
If you put in the extra effort you can do competitive dps. Let me put it in a different way, you can do the most dps out of all the hybrid specs in classic
covert rover
It’s with those things you’re doing about half dps of the pure dps
You’ll do ok dps in the beginning before others start getting geared
But you will fall far behind when they do
low glade
By the time you get to AQ40/Naxx, yes. That's true for every hybrid spec, though. Also your dmg dealers will be limited by the amount of threat your tank can generate. It's common for some pure dps to hold back so they don't pull aggro. See hunters auto shottting when feign death is on cd, warriors skipping heroic strike etc
Half the dmg of a pure dps is a huge exaggeration. A good feral cat can keep at least 80% of top dps. Again if you use consumables and watch your energy ticks
covert rover
Mc
Not first at naxx
You have the advantage super early on since we use quirky gear. But tbh others could do that
But they just have better gear higher up
Tier
Which we don’t really
I’m fully aware how it works And no you can’t keep 80% dps compared to the others if they’re not horrible
The 50ish % is doing that
If you believe you’re going to do 80% of good players then you’re going to be disappointed
low glade
Are you comparing MC feral to Naxx geared warriors?
low glade
We do fall, but not by that much. 50%? that's unrealistic. Besides, we still do more dmg than shadow priests, moonkins, elemental and enhancement
covert rover
Yes. That’s the funny thing
Nobody is going to try to make you a boomie
Ret too does less
I dunno why you think it’s unrealistic? Because current wow are better balanced?
low glade
No, because your dps doesn't power spike that hard in vanilla
Not even top geared warriors are that extreme
covert rover
It’s because you think feral does real damage at any point
They don’t power spike past us
We just never did much and are stuck at that
low glade
I think we do more than enough dmg for a hybrid spec
covert rover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
low glade
If you want to be the best dps then roll a warrior. If you like the feral playstyle roll a rogue
But as a hybrid our dps is really good
covert rover
If it makes you feel better that you’re the best hybrid dps then fine
It’s still not good dps
I’m going to olay feral but I have no illusions
It’s nice to level with after you get cat form
low glade
I still think feral dps is more than good enough for a raiding scenario. Besides, they make great offtanks and can battle rez
low glade
Feral are valuable in raids, that's my point
If you enjoy playing it, no need to worried about never getting a raid spot
low glade
Because if you are only looking at the best in each role then resto would never be picked over priests and paladins either
Just play what you enjoy. Feral is not useless
noble forge
@small sorrel there are 16 debuff slots not 40
and resto not being picked is wrong
you need one
for faerie fire and mark of the wild
covert rover
ent - i think you meant to say that to mishun?
or just first one for afghan?
feral do have those two things too though
so technically you can bring a feral for it
covert rover
yeah.. hence i asked if only first one was for afghan XD
young latch
all raids need 2-4 druids
noble forge
also only class with brezz can be useful
young latch
just been thrown around its enough to get those buffs out and still be able to heal and do shit
pearl agate
Being the best hybrid dps is like winning the gold medal at the special olympics
south ravine
@young latch raids need ONLY druids
we cover all three necessary specs and offer mdps and rdps
every other class is inferior
Long live the Druids of Dreamgrove!
Hail Malfurion!
cold moth
20 druid zg, was glorious to watch
the 20 shaman zg was also entertaining
totems totems totems
Bah, can't find either in youtube anymore
Sad day
polar vine
I cant wait to see all the valuable feral dps slots tbh
agile plume
watching a few streamers level up and play druid.. it really does seem like its resto or bust.
which is fine for me.. im a healer, but thats tough. the dps is just not there for the other specs
tacit tartan
well that's only endgame, which is a long long long way off in vanilla
limber hollow
DPS is pretty busted but there's a much stronger argument for tank-feral, especially in non-cutting edge
agile plume
are dungeons only ran at 60?
low glade
60 fps?
tacit tartan
no specific endgame dungeon like with retail
and you might run a few dungeons while leveling, but often it's not efficient at all
low glade
There are dungeons for every level bracket and you can run them more than once while leveling
Uldaman for instance you usually run at least twice because of the quest chain
If you have a solid group for dungeons and all the quests it's very efficient to run them at least once
agile plume
well i dont want to be a dps druid if no one will want me for those dungeons
tacit tartan
well it's not like live where you can queu up for dungeons and only level that way and still be mostly efficient
and those are leveling dungeons
just like in live you dont really care about what class you take to your leveling dungeon
you generally won't for classic
low glade
The biggest issue with dungeons is the wait time forming a group, running to the dungeon, maybe wipping if the group doesn't know what to do and someone possibly leaving in the middle. If all goes well they are not a waste of time at all
tacit tartan
when ppl say non-healing druid is poor, they're mostly talking about endgame raiding
agile plume
ah
tacit tartan
which is like 100-150 hours into the game
low glade
Guys, feral dps is fine! Stop being so pessimistic!
tacit tartan
unless you're planning to put in hundreds of hours into classic to grind for endgame raids, you can play w/e you want for the leveling game
low glade
Also, druid is one of the fastest leveling classes. Right up there with hunters
agile plume
of course im gonna invest time. and because you "have" to to get the most out of your character, just want to make sure i pick the right class tbh.
low glade
The only huge issue with druids in raids is the fact that they can't use items in feral forms
agile plume
i like resto druid in bfa. so. im sure i will in classic
i heard you cant just throw away mana casually. its valuable af.
tacit tartan
well it's not as involved as live with many diff spells to consider
you often just end up spamming rank 4 healing touch
pre-cast it then cancel it if it ends up being unncessary so you save mana
mana's more an issue for dps casters. in live healers need to worry about mana too for raids. but casters can free cast
low glade
Just stack up on consumables if mana is too big of an issue
Everyone suffers from mana problems, though
The best solution is to kill the bosses quickly so your casters never get oom
It all depends on your raid
torn terrace
the potions dont share a fight cooldown in classic?
low glade
The potions cd work the same way in and out of combat
Most potions share a 2min cooldown with each other. You can still use them multiple times depending on how long the encounter lasts
dense bronze
@tacit tartan 100-150 would be early 60 for a motivated leveler who have a decent route
not end game at all 🤷
small sorrel
@low glade I envy your optimism, I really do. And even if you can make the claim the feral is the best of the hybrids, that's still not good dps. The pure classes shit on it royally, especially warriors. Sure snap threat is problematic, but dot classes aren't going to be a solution if the debuff limit is fucking 16, not 40 like I had assumed it would be since evidently 40 was in TBC.
And the "50% as much" as warriors claim isn't invalid at all. You're talking about a time where in MC warriors were doing like 650 dps, and the other pure classes were struggling to keep up with that even. Hybrids, even if you put feral at the top would be scraping the low 400's. You bring a druid for battle res, and innervate (can't remember if that was a thing in vanilla or not, my memory isn't perfect). The resto druids are there for hots and MOTW. Any other druids are just extra battle reses, not solid dps. Sure we can off tank and go bear if things get hairy fine, but talking about from purely the DPS aspect, hybrids are dogshit. Being the top of dogshit doesn't mean we're suddenly good.
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Battlerez 
low glade
@small sorrel You don't use dots as feral in raids, just Faery Fire for the armor debuff. Your rotation is Shred and 5CP Ferocious Bite. The complexity comes from powershifting and consumables.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUc70zMFAKI
This is what feral dps looks like in classic raids.
small sorrel
private server? video looks way too high res to be actual classic
low glade
Before you call that a invalid source for being from a private server, there's nothing specially broken about druids in private servers. Apart maybe from face shredding which is not the case here.
small sorrel
either everyone is already in bis gear, or the numbers are inflated via private server silliness
900 at the end of MC once you're fully decked out seems plausible
900 as you're going in? Nah fam.
dense bronze
And stones, and a few other weapon damage increase buffs 🤷
low glade
And world buffs
small sorrel
World buffs are very limited and are not gonna be available every raid on live
don't think they should be counted as valid dps metric
low glade
Everyone is using consumables and buffs in that raid, not just the druid
small sorrel
was bloodlust a thing in vanilla? or was that added in TBC?
low glade
TBC
small sorrel
I can't recall
so alliance got paladins the best single target healer and access to blessings, including salvation
and horde just got windfury totem?
oof
at least the bloodlust would have been nice
low glade
Don't forget HoJ for mana users
Alliance will have an edge in classic because of palas
small sorrel
and the bonus dmg to undead made them better at naxx on top of the healing and threat reduction from salv
but hey, that nature resist totem for ZG
kappa
low glade
There's tranquil totem for the horde btw, but that reduces threat to the whole party
small sorrel
debuff slot being 16 is gonna be whack
dense bronze
You shouldn't use private servers as a metric until the data can be proven/disproven Mishun
Nobody really knows yet how raids will turn out in classic vs emulators
All we know so far is that there are some things emulators got wrong and some things they got right (enough)
small sorrel
Yeah
and all my information is from memory from when I played vanilla, so maybe my numbers are off
but I wouldn't trust private server data like dyne said
but the general consensus is that pure dps, particularly warrior, shits all over hybrids by a significant marging (30+ %)
we'll find out when it all goes live
dense bronze
Tranquil wasn't really used much, it was added late in vanilla and most just used windfury instead
small sorrel
yeah tranquil competing for an air totem slot vs windfury seems sketch
windfury was too good
low glade
@dense bronze Yes, we already know that some armor and resistance values are wrong, but nothing that would impact druids specifically. The Pummeler mace works in classic and the Wolfshead also work the same. Those are the 2 big game changers and they have already been validated.
dense bronze
Yea.. about that pummeler, such a fun thing to need
3 charges is really fun isn't it
low glade
I agree, but that's the nature of the beast
dense bronze
Most people would be better off try-harding another class honestly
Looking at certain emulator logs you can clearly see that feral cat isn't really a huge thing, pretty much on all bosses the best druid is doing 30-60% of top DPS (which is mixed warrior, mage and rogue)
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Where are warlocks?
dense bronze
Stuck outside summoning people who are late
gray widget
Joke aside do they bring decent dps or only summon?
dense bronze
Its ok-ish, limited by debuff limit and threat
You are always going to bring some warlock though, so not like you are going to be benched becaues you can't do the best dps out of all the classes
gray widget
Well well sound à good choice
cerulean seal
Destro locks late-vanilla were S tier iirc
cerulean seal
True, actually
Still a solid class
Since everyone was talking about it, feral was basically dead last DPS spec, tank was passable in raids but great for 5-mans - still better than pallys, and resto was more beneficial due to it's toolkit than it's healing
cerulean seal
thinking you'll be using your arsenal of hots in classic raids
dense bronze
You can if you are the only druid or you bribe all the others
low glade
The good thing about playing a druid in classic is that you are the only one who wants leather gear with healing or defense
still reef
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Riftbot need leather too 
polar vine
Dont shamans want your gear to?
main marsh
Hunters wants everything that's for sure
agile plume
Oh yeah. Paladins only on alliance. Man. I might have to go to alliance side...oh god.
dense bronze
You can't get the enjoyment of forcing them to HS if you play alliance
tacit tartan
just play horde then blame your tank for having shitty threat when you get aggro on pull and die.
tacit tartan
idk, some tanks...
covert rover
will probably be my main purpose
trying to get aggro off our warrior
he's super good
so i just have to hit whatever he haven't hit yet
inner bronze
Can any one tell me stats weights for a Resto in Vanilla?
tacit sedge
@inner bronze Stack as much Vers as you can find
inner bronze
😪
proper oracle
lol
end game stack mp5 and +heal
followed by int, spirit
then crit, and stam
@inner bronze https://web.archive.org/web/20170505040506/http://www.classicwow.com/forum/topic/8775-list-of-druid-healing-gear/ take this with a grain of salt.
inner bronze
Thx alot, so in classic we can downrank spells again??
inner bronze
I can remeber having several Healing touches on my bars.😊 Will be fun again.
proper oracle
I believe rank 4 will be our most used one.
as for healing touch
but I doubt any guild will raid ready in a month
inner bronze
What about Rejuvenation? Is it any good. I share your doubts.
tacit tartan
it's mostly r4ht spam
proper oracle
but it depends on what you play, 5 man dungeons or raids
inner bronze
I expect we have to do quite some five mans. Looking at your list.
We used to have addons for that 2005
proper oracle
yes, that's not my list though lol
there are some addons for questing that i'm digging up. but hopefully they work
Questie is one
inner bronze
Well it was a great help. From you!
proper oracle
also using https://www.joanasworld.com/horde-1-12-mulgore.html to level quickly
covert rover
Everybody is horde
inner bronze
I like vanilla most because of the farming. I am afraid afraid of such popular guides. Remember places can be quite crowded in the start.
covert rover
And I’m forced to be bloody alliance if I play
proper oracle
lol, well tauren druids have the +15 to herbalism
and druids needs mana in endgame, so alchemy is a given
of course since we are only leather wearers skinning/leatherworking go hand in hand too.
inner bronze
Do you know if there is an alchemits stone?
proper oracle
give me a few @inner bronze
covert rover
Can’t remember. But there’s the dark moon deck which is pretty nice
proper oracle
yeah i can't find a breakdown of the proffessions
covert rover
Pls
covert rover
He said we only wear leather
noble forge
smh
covert rover
Not that we’re the only
polar vine
He worded it weird
proper oracle
yeah, only wear leather, my bad if it's typed wrong
noble forge
the ideal gear in most slots will be cloth tho fairly certain about that
noble forge
wont be too easy to get that stuff tho