eg 5-10
#classic
pearl agate
Lul
glass valve
so it says from his thing 806 dps average. since warrs are generally on average 900-1000 dps, there's your comparison @pearl agate
grand musk
did he test on a training dummy?
rigid glacier
it's not a simulation
glass valve
he did do tests like that yes but it's getting its values from formulas
polar vine
Yeah thats good math it checks out
twin palm
LOL
polar vine
Dark web
twin palm
that's a big yikes
rigid glacier
machine learning simulation (tm)
glass valve
hate to figure out what average dps is by using averages
rigid glacier
that's not what a simulation is
lusty gazelle
oh boy, can't wait for amr to sim everything for classic
pearl agate
I mean
I can make a sheet say whatever the fuck I want
Doesn’t make it right
You don’t kill bosses on spreadsheets
mental crystal
reminder that excel spreadsheets are turing complete so machine learning is theoretically possible with them 
polar vine
Yeah but its in a spreadsheet so people will believe it
pearl agate
Idk maybe on private servers a hypothetical kill is as good as a real one
lusty gazelle
seriously though, i'm looking forward to AMR doing stuff for classic
pearl agate
Cleared MC on a spreadsheet so why log in
lusty gazelle
can you imagine the metrics they'll think of?
rigid glacier
I think if this guy is dishonest in what he does on the minor level then I can hardly trust anything he did in these mess of a formulas
well, not even sure he is dishonest, maybe he is just stupid
pearl agate
Both are prolly true
mental crystal
you just activated my trap card 
twin palm
right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards
glass valve
that's a guide
twin palm
i found your guide taladril
it's very exciting
can't wait to play bear tank in classic u really inspired me
rigid glacier
based on my spreadsheet
glass valve
k
fiery mantle
k
rigid glacier
rose crown
🇰
twin palm
wow torty u have 69 hidden docs
rigid glacier
no simulations (just like the one you linked)
pearl agate
That’s like being interviewed on YouTube for Classic when you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about
dense bronze
Enough.
polar vine
grand musk
pearl agate
I found a guide
rose crown
pearl agate
rigid glacier
be careful with my spreadsheet, I use derivatives eight (8) times
twin palm
im confused
rigid glacier
and that's 5 grades harder math than anything in that "simulation" spreadsheet
twin palm
@rigid glacier average of averages is an integral part of sims what are you talking about
rigid glacier
pearl agate
Private server TC
polar vine
Just give me a chance
grand musk
private server anything tbh
pearl agate
But he literally wrote the book on private server Druid Tanking
polar vine
Think ill be able to slip into raids as bear.tank like i do as feral with MA 🤔
pearl agate
No
grand musk
nah
pearl agate
He wrote the Tank
polar vine
different book
pearl agate
Feral was another muppet
grand musk
👏 private 👏 server 👏 players 👏 aren't 👏 real 👏 gamers 👏
wild marlin
this entire time
mental crystal
what i wanna know is why he went onto the dark web to get access to his private server lmao
pearl agate
Tank book has a lot less pages
wild marlin
its been for CAT
glass valve
I don't do cat dps
polar vine
Honestly same
rigid glacier
it's ok, guys, maybe someone smart from retail will grace you with proper theorycrafting once the game is released
pearl agate
Just parroting things you hear and have no knowledge about
rigid glacier
and you will finally understand what a simulation is
we figured that out about 10 years ago
mental crystal
@stuck locust when are classic sims coming out
polar vine
Maybe someone from retail who has poated guides too 🤔
stuck locust
when someone pays me to do them
mental crystal
:(
dense bronze
How much faide?
stuck locust
:)
glass valve
maybe you should be first to market
polar vine
Called out
glass valve
but oh right no one is gonna play more than a month
pearl agate
We can’t even pay him for Bear sims now
stuck locust
my hourly rate is $50
pearl agate
When
stuck locust
usd
pearl agate
6 months
mental crystal
you get hella money on launch though
pearl agate
Silly private server TC
mental crystal
doesn't matter about the longevity
whoever gets the most popular levelling guide for classic
is probably gonna make a decent amount of money
polar vine
Step 1. "Kill shit"
tacit tartan
feral's actually one of the firist specs to get a sim
but that wasn't until tbc iirc
pearl agate
Not hard to sim 0
glass valve
roar
rigid glacier
dw, guide won't take long to write
grand musk
lmao
rigid glacier
how hard can it be to say "cast healing touch rank 4"
tacit tartan
i guess if someone can find the code lying around somewhere someone bored enough could adapt it to classic
glass valve
easy if you want to be at the bottom of the meters
polar vine
Yeah torty you can just use the already abundant, and incredibly intelligent p server info and claim it as your own. They will worship you
rigid glacier
glass valve
healing on pservers is exactly modeled correctly which is hilarious. you guys act like it's some kind of black box
mental crystal
tbh no offense tala but only feral tank guide i'm trusting is Nihilo's
glass valve
maybe I'm emo
rigid glacier
modeled? you sure it's not simulated?
polar vine
Hes a russian spy
lusty gazelle
@stuck locust sims when??
polar vine
Using big keywords
glass valve
link?
polar vine
"Dark web" "black box" "feral dps" all very suspicious
polar vine
Yeah just spam wrath
pearl agate
@mental crystal is trust Nihillo over anything this guy says
polar vine
mental crystal
twin palm
cat dps almost as much of a meme as bear tank in classic
glass valve
why would we be even talking about retail people?
polar vine
Walmart employees are humans too
pearl agate
Well you’ve proven private people can’t even TC their own game
polar vine
Have some respect
pearl agate
So guess retail people have to come do it
mental crystal
nihilo TC 
mental crystal
might read random sections from both and call it a day
glass valve
link something. I don't even know what you're talking about
mental crystal
im going fotm anyway 
rigid glacier
man, your bear knowledge
is so bad
how is this in your guide?
you realise the biggest difference was that in TBC bears were able to get crit immune, right?
glass valve
you realize that crit doesn't even matter anymore?
polar vine
Youre grammar is terrible
mental crystal
wh
rigid glacier
sometimes you just die, but that's rng
polar vine
Btw
pearl agate
Prolly removed it on private servers
mental crystal
i knew i was getting scammed all that time when people told me to get defence capped
glass valve
yeah pservers removed crit /rollseyes
polar vine
"Or whatever" immediately makes me think the guide is trash
polar vine
/eyesmaymaycuriously
grand musk
uwu
twin palm
/meow
rigid glacier
that's literally the biggest thing ever
pearl agate
You know what sums up that shit guide
rigid glacier
you no longer just fell over from a random crit
pearl agate
Like seriously
twin palm
? dont b toxic
rigid glacier
🤦
rigid glacier
this man writes tank guides btw
pearl agate
“Or whatever 3% statsamount to”
polar vine
Yeah
pearl agate
If you know so much
polar vine
First thing i noticed
noble forge
didnt Warriors also generate a lot more threat in vanilla?
pearl agate
How the fuck do you not math what 3% stats do
polar vine
Same threat as bears i believe
noble forge
with sunder?
pearl agate
What kind of garbage guide can’t answer basic questions
glass valve
doesn't scale
polar vine
I believe, but i could be wrong
grand musk
garbage 
shit
mental crystal
uh oh we're in the bully zone 
grand musk
wholesome wording only pls
glass valve
unfortunately regardless of the truly scintillating conversation this has been I do have to go about my night
twin palm
yeah you guys are toxic 😦
pearl agate
Some half assed guide to get private server brownie points without knowing basic knowledge
twin palm
scintillate me daddy
mental crystal
polar vine
Honestly you should have come in here and just asked for knowledge and maybe avoided berating people for calling out bad info
pearl agate
Define scintillating
polar vine
💁
glass valve
lol classic knowledge here? ok
polar vine
We coulda helped you write the book on p server tanking
pearl agate
Dude
twin palm
dont be elitist about classic knowledge that's not encouraging
twin palm
just bcuz im smol brain about classic doesnt mean u have to berate me i just want to learn
polar vine
To a warrior
pearl agate
You can’t even put in a guide about tanking
How much 3% stats give
And you want to say anything about classic knowledge?
mental crystal
dark web vanilla level 60 brains only are allowed to talk past this point
twin palm
i played vanilla until my laptop overheated at level 8 and turned off so i think im the qualified expert here
polar vine
Beta vanilla, wod lfr hero, same thing
rigid glacier
I played WoW so early it was still called Warcraft 3
pearl agate
rigid glacier
polar vine
And the island of poor baby seals
pearl agate
Hopefully he logged onto private server to figure out how much 3% gives
polar vine
☹
lusty gazelle
what about warcraft 1
rigid glacier
couldnt get all your units in green square and right click attack
polar vine
My bruh played it. But 2 and 3 were huge upgrades and when i discorverd the computer i went for 2
rigid glacier
unplayable game
polar vine
Diablo 2 and wc were fuckin lit
pearl agate
I mean they announced it days ago
long ingot
graceful minnow
it was a good 1 day of somthing to do
ripe maple
GL tonight Spider. I believe in you and your guild
main marsh
Anyone know if scripts for ui works in classic?
dense bronze
Addons work yes, its based on the legion/bfa API
Which makes porting modern addons fairly easy
dense bronze
Well that depends on what you use
But the most common addons should be there for you once classic is released
zinc fiber
i am excited for classic, i havent played bfa since the first month of rls
graceful minnow
i am excited for burning crusade
dense bronze
If they end up doing that you probably won't see one for at least 2-3 years
zinc fiber
i really hope everythings way overtuned for the first 2 months
graceful minnow
i mean sounds about how long ive been waiting for 8.2
why would it be overtuned
its the same tuning as normal
main marsh
@dense bronze bro its just scripts that u write in "macros"
And u have to press them every login
dense bronze
And what do these "scripts" do?
zinc fiber
console cmds ?
main marsh
Position of frames target focus(not a thing in classsic), scale and moves keybinds, removes gryphons ecc
Cast bar but also not a thing in classic
royal fossil
ive been looking into classic and it looks like you can make way more advanced macros
main marsh
zinc fiber
its same system no? How can u make more adv maybe i dont get it
royal fossil
idk im just saying stuff
dense bronze
I don't understand why you would need to set keybind everytime you login, neither scaling really
Removing the UI garbage is something there are dedicated addons for (so you don't have to do it everytime), or you could simply make your own 1 liner addon
So it happens automatically on login
zinc fiber
dynes what spec are u gonna play
dense bronze
"I like doing things unnecessary complicated because thats how I've always done it" :|
zinc fiber
if mounts are hard to get i wanna give ppl rides in travel form if its possible
covert rover
That first came way later
dense bronze
Not possible rewt
covert rover
You have glorious old travel form
dense bronze
but you can run in circles around people who don't have mounts
zinc fiber
ok at least i have a clear plan now
covert rover
Running in circles?
main marsh
Like in nascar
harsh agate
@zinc fiber free rides 😉
thorny wagon
People will have mounts much easier than actual Vanilla. Gold sellers will be everywhere
dense bronze
Not on launch, and I seem to recall there being a lot more gold sellers back then compared to current WoW 🤷
deep harbor
Well Blizzard cut out the middle man and they sell their own gold
thorny wagon
Yeah because wow token became a thing so people started buying those instead
dense bronze
Well even before wow token
thorny wagon
Gold sellers are still everywhere and right now they are prepping to sell for classic. The thing back then was that not many people actually bought gold in Vanilla compared to the next xpacs
dense bronze
They can prep all they want, they still won't be able to sell on launch 🤷
thorny wagon
They will it’s just gonna be more expensive and prices will drop in literally 1 week
dense bronze
You honestly think there will be a overflow of gold by week 1?
thorny wagon
Not an overflow but it will be cheap enough so that your average joe can buy their mount
tropic dawn
What little gold they can initially earn is multiplied by the amount of farmers they have
thorny wagon
^
dense bronze
Only the most motivated players will be 60 by week 1, people who actually aim to level fast
thorny wagon
U can get the regular mount at 40 tho
dense bronze
Which isn't a problem to buy unless you waste all your gold on AH
thorny wagon
I don’t remember this btw, can u actually get to 60 in a week even if u are super fast?
I know its doable later when there’s help
dense bronze
Record from vanilla was 4 days 20 hours or something /played
Someone will most likely beat this
thorny wagon
It took me 2 months to get to 60 back in the day but I was playing casually back then
grand musk
yeah now with dark web experience
grand musk
you can practice on the dark web
pearl agate
Only way I suppose
Open up those dark web sites
Need a vpn just to buy classic gold
thorny wagon
What time is the stress test btw?
dense bronze
23:00 - 01:00 UTC
thorny wagon
harsh agate
You look pretty the way you are no need for transmog
mental crystal
yeah classic gear looks great 
mental crystal
you can use savory deviate delight for transmog
pearl agate
People are going to have such a rude awakening in classic
low steeple
I kinda want to be horde druid so I can collapse in on myself again
covert rover
nexii - wtf u mean? it's going to be glorious
finally we can get back to our rosetinted time of perfection
pearl agate
Hey I love Vanilla as much as anyone
But so many people will cry about mounts, transmog, Druid being completely shit tier
tacit tartan
don't need mounts as druid!
covert rover
yeah.. tbh.. i liked vanilla.. but yeah.. i'm also very much aware how many things have improved since that.. unlike a lot of people XD
pearl agate
General/Trade Chat is going to be horrible until they die off
pearl agate
timber nest
I wonder tho how feral dps will be, if you look up Shedo the Druid it could work out 9kayish
pearl agate
This isn’t private
upbeat knot
How was leveling as feral druid in vanilla?
upbeat knot
And you can't just switch specs in classic righr?
mental crystal
you can switch
covert rover
class trainers from what i recall
mental crystal
but you have to go to a capital each time
mental crystal
yes
covert rover
eah
covert rover
50 gold is a lot
upbeat knot
That was a lot back rhen
covert rover
indeed
tacit tartan
there's no spec switching precisely
covert rover
i was rich boye back then with more than 1000 gold
tacit tartan
you paid every time you wanted to change any talent point
covert rover
and if you clicked the wrong talent during the highly interresting clicking of all the talents
upbeat knot
I'm just going to truck along on my feral and see how things go
covert rover
then you had to pay to change again
tacit tartan
but tbh there was prolly less actual choice than there is on retail
talent trees are pretty set
tacit tartan
yeah but classic even less so, since there weren't that many actually impactful points
dense bronze
Cheaper to level up a second druid for PVP than to respecc your PVE druid everytime you want to do some proper pvp spec
:|
upbeat knot
Yeah this is why I don't see why people are so crazy for vanilla. QoL changes are good
But too many QoL changes are bad
dense bronze
Too be fair, most people didn't respec a lot, had to be a good reason
never any "oh I have to change talents for this fight"
covert rover
yeah indeed.. just went with what you overall found to fit best
young latch
Why are to many qol changes bad or is that just in context of preserving vanilla
young latch
Lol
It's as if 15 years of game development has made a game more fun or eayser to play in the current cultural game climate
thorny wagon
QoL changes are never ending
mental crystal
like there's definitely ways you can preserve most of the experience
young latch
Yes
mental crystal
while removing some of the most anti-player shit
thorny wagon
Theres always someone complaining “this is hard, this is inconvenient bla bla bla”
mental crystal
but people will flip
because "THIS ISNT CLASSIC WE WANTED IT EXACTLY AS I REMEMBER 15 YEARS AGO 😡 "
thorny wagon
Fact is that the more inconvenient things are the better u feel afterwards when u achieve something
young latch
No
young latch
That's just simply false and you are generalizing to much
mental crystal
sure for some things
young latch
Some peeps play games to relax and unwind
mental crystal
but then there's just straight up shitty lazy design
thorny wagon
It’s true about everything on classic
mental crystal
that fucks players
young latch
And not want a challenge because real life is stressfull
noble forge
I personally like things like queuing at battle masters
or being able to have connected flight points
without having to remember every possible flight connection
thorny wagon
U shouldn’t unwind playing wow then, it’s never been a game to unwind over stress of life. Only if u collect mounts
young latch
Uhhh
solar kite
The fuck ?
young latch
So slowly over months doing quests and killing boars and leveling slow and methodically just chilling isn't unwinding from the stress of life wtf are you on about
It's basicly the point of wow
And always has been
To escape
upbeat knot
I noticed that the feral talent tree has different upgrades when in bear and cat form. So does that mean that if I went cat my tanking wouldn't be viable?
mental crystal
it'd probs still be viable
just a bit shit
but no biggy because feral tank was already kinda shit Cx
thorny wagon
That is literally why the game is dying in bfa. Catering to too many players that want to unwind and want things easy. There’s no challenge and the rewards are extremely dull
noble forge
thorny wagon
Yes I have and I’m in top 100 guild and its unrewarding
upbeat knot
The only challenge is mythic raiding and high keys
thorny wagon
And what do u get from a high key or end of the tier boss on mythic?
A mount from Jaina
fluid sigil
cant really compare the two anymore other than them having the same name
completely diff now
thorny wagon
I can literally get my BiS gear with barely any raiding
Or any challenging content whatsoever
mental crystal
ok im the first one to denounce titanforging as the fucking garbage system it is
but that "can" is a ridiculous stretch
dense bronze
There are plently of QoL changes that could be done, but that defeats the purpose of classic
Also for example having the ability to respec at basically 0 cost at will could have quite a lot impact on gameplay even if it might sound like a innocent QoL change.
mental crystal
you have more chance of spontaneously combusting
thorny wagon
It really isnt a stretch, I got my bis azerite gear all from a vendor and I could do that spamming +10s
thorny wagon
Only thing I got from a raid was a trinket
upbeat knot
Could you image classic wow with some QoL. That would be awesome
dense bronze
Well who knows what happens once the phases are over
thorny wagon
And you can also get sick titanforging from spamming 10s again for rest of your gear
pearl agate
thorny wagon
U won’t get all 425s but I’ve gotten multiple
mental crystal
you said you can get bis
thorny wagon
Yes bis azerite
thorny wagon
There’s no such thing as bis anymore since ilvl>stats
mental crystal
i mean there is
dense bronze
Why are you arguing over retail in my classic safe haven?! 
mental crystal
it just requires all 425 pieces
fluid sigil
people cant like both games apparently
thorny wagon
Thats just unrealistic
pearl agate
They can
mental crystal
lmao
pearl agate
But arguing over retail in classic?
Lemme go to resto channel to bitch about Guardian
thorny wagon
U missed my point, i said you can technically get it doing “non-challenging” content
Just spamming it
mental crystal
yeah but the chances of that happening
is so fucking ridiculously low
that it's a completely moot point
mental crystal
you do raiding
and you get that gear
unless you're saying raiding is the non challenging content too
fluid sigil
thorns is op and out of control in classic change my mind
thorny wagon
U won’t tho. I have gotten 425 boots from hc unaat and guilds are still struggling to kill that boss on mythic which drops the same ilvl
It’s unrewarding for the people who can do the hard content, not saying it’s ez
U don’t understand the difference between unrewarding and challenging
mental crystal
? ? ?
thorny wagon
Ok nvm
mental crystal
weird claim to make but ok
thorny wagon
Guess it’s too hard to understand what literally everyone is complaining about the reward system in retail
noble forge
literally not everyone is doing that
thorny wagon
Yes
mental crystal
I guess you just keep living in your world where everyone has 425 world quest gear
fluid sigil
tfw i only have 2 max ilvl pieces and i play a lot 
upbeat knot
Same
covert rover
i haven't complained about the reward system in retail for like a year
i don't like to be put in a box i'm not part of
thorny wagon
the simple fact that u can get max ilvl items and someone who is clearing mythic raids can get the same ilvl ruins the game
mental crystal
i mean it's annoying as fuck sure
but if you think that's the main issue with bfa
thorny wagon
that's a big issue
thorny wagon
I bet u dont understand why classic is even hyped tbh
upbeat knot
Let the heroic raider get some loot
mental crystal
no im not as big brained as you unfortunately
thorny wagon
lmao right
mental crystal
i only have a level 4 classic iq 🙁
thorny wagon
and 100% u are a casual or hc raider in retail
pearl agate
Yeah you don’t understand
mental crystal
but please go ahead and speak for an entire population
thorny wagon
thats cuz nobody plays feral 
covert rover
please
pearl agate
I bet a world 9 feral would stomp a casual whatever you play
solar kite
Can we ban this troll?
whole swan
Half the people posting in here are just trolling
mental crystal
tbf i don't even play either
covert rover
i still don't know of speedy was trolling or cringy :<
young latch
So did you guys know that your opinion isn't the same as what everyone else's is and that's okay
pearl agate
Fake news
young latch
Remember that @thorny wagon
young latch
Yep
mental crystal
hope i don't get dragged onto the dark web 
pearl agate
Dark web is a scary place
young latch
Watch out for that dark web spread sheet with 20 hidden pages
It will come and bite you
whole swan
I dunno why that guy kept taking the bait yesterday
pearl agate
right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards
still reef
young latch
Was he taking bait or were we
mental crystal
i dunno
young latch
No one will ever know
young latch
Full of 100% correct info
pearl agate
3% stats is whatever
young latch
And simulations
covert rover
who wrote it?
quartz summit
but i need my pawn strings or i wont feeeeeeel good
young latch
The guy who runs the classic druid discord
covert rover
i only saw that highly specified section of whatever
pearl agate
Talethiel or whatever
pearl agate
Lol
gray widget
covert rover
quartz summit
@thorny wagon
covert rover
i don't mind, cringy boye
pearl agate
@thorny wagon
young latch
@glass valve is his name
pearl agate
That was it
young latch
Lol speedy left
mental crystal
lmao
covert rover
this bullying is unheard of
mental crystal
what an utter madman
pearl agate
“Whatever avoidance 3% stats comes to”
covert rover
this is what toxic casuals are doing these days
pearl agate
Not even knowing
covert rover
scaring the elite of
pearl agate
That just blows my mind
covert rover
9/9 hc speedy
covert rover
@thorny wagon hm.. works for me too. .but to be fair.. i've been able to ping people that has left before.. not updating so fast or something
solar kite
Maybe a 24 hour email account?
pearl agate
Naw he posted last year a bit
solar kite
Ah, I see
mental crystal
honest ridge
Is a hybrid between balance and resto a thing in classic? Never played it back in the day
pearl agate
All classes were “hybrid “ in that you went multiple trees
hardy siren
for Druid in class you can choose between being a sub-par healer, a sub-par tank, or a sub-sub-par DPS
honest ridge
I mean more of a "disc priest" playstyile
hardy siren
but hey.... shapeshifting?
hardy siren
lol
honest ridge
Doing damage and spot healing
pearl agate
If you think you are gonna play Balance
Just go Resto
Druid only had one spec in Vanilla for raid
young latch
What if
honest ridge
Damn lol I really wanna play balance but I know how much the community hates it. Thats why I was thinking of a "hybrid" build
young latch
Raid needs a couple druids for res and mark
And I just HAPPEN
to have spell power gear
young latch
covert rover
H Y B R I D
honest ridge
Are druids as big of a meme in classic as people say they are? I can handle being an underdog but I at least wanna be invited to raids/dungeons lol
pearl agate
Yes
harsh agate
Yes
raw igloo
What’s the best class for classic if not Druid priest?
solar kite
For healing? Prolly holy priest
Remember its classic, good luck min/maxing anything lol
covert rover
Mages
whole swan
Wanna be top pick warrior
covert rover
Oh kun said that already
raw igloo
Tanking wise warriors and pally?
whole swan
never pally for raids
raw igloo
Druid then for raid
whole swan
warrior
solar kite
Lol in all honesty, play what you want.
If you want to min/max, play rogue or mage for dps
whole swan
Play what you want but theres factors that make it pretty difficult like pally not having a taunt
solar kite
^
upbeat knot
What about druid dps is it really that far behind the others?
whole swan
You wont be a warrior / rogue. Playing feral wont stop your guild killing the boss
solar kite
Play and find out lol
upbeat knot
Its more about getting the initial invite
whole swan
Then you just put the effort in, level to max and come to raid prepared
Getting 40 people will be harder then MC
upbeat knot
You could clear with less than 40 .right?
solar kite
Hopefully not Shift, I sure as shit miss the big guilds
whole swan
sure
covert rover
Dree. Sure
Just like you can clear new raids with less
You just gimp yourself
But mc, bwl, naxx is 40 man raids
covert rover
Gearing was slower
upbeat knot
Yeah but the difference between 39 And 40 has to be less then the difference between 19 And 20
gaunt seal
The big guilds had people on standby waiting for a chance to drop in. These raids were 40 mans because you needed 40 men and you dont other the raid
covert rover
Yeah
whole swan
Back in vanilla you had half the people dcing / not having a clue whats going on
gaunt seal
And I think the drops were more like 6 to 8 pieces but usually there was a lot council
covert rover
We had some 4-5 idling outside of the instance most days
whole swan
Pretty sure it wasnt 6-8 , 2-4 or something
gaunt seal
Go kill rag and see how many pieces drop for you
covert rover
Yeah. It was super slow. Might be the tier pieces I were thinking of though
gaunt seal
That's how you can tell
tacit tartan
you mean on retail? if so that's just wrong :P
it was 2 or 3 per boss
you can't compare how many boss drops on retail right now to how it originally was
covert rover
Oh god the atunement
gaunt seal
Well I'm sure in about 2 months we will have our first classic beta rag kill and we will find out
gaunt seal
I miss attunements actually. They required effort
covert rover
It just made it a pain to get people in on low days
agile plume
i didnt know resto druid doesnt really have a rez in classic.. wth.. so if ppl die they have to run all the way back LOL
covert rover
Was just questing
tacit tartan
yeah, if you're healing aa dungeon, and 3 dps die
you rez one and the other 2 run back from graveyard outside the instance
agile plume
ouch. hmmm...
covert rover
XD
tacit tartan
if you want to effectively heal there's really no reason not to go priest
covert rover
Can outlast pretty much everything
agile plume
undead priest. cant think of anything better then.
whole swan
if your horde, they take a shit load of shammys
covert rover
Yep
whole swan
and for ally, pally just heals forever
agile plume
sexy robes
tacit tartan
undead had... dp i think
agile plume
i love the shaman idea and look.. but i just cannot enjoy their healing style. in BFA anyways
tacit tartan
i forget if any of hte horde priests had really good racials
whole swan
yeah was dwarf
covert rover
Gas undead was very nice
Good protection against cc
And cannibalism for health when I’m
Oom
\o/
tacit tartan
oh right, they got old wotf
covert rover
Yeman. Great stuff
agile plume
i honestly just want to get to the main menu screen and look at all the shit character models and mess around with it
solar kite
Well post it all lol
hardy siren
you may enjoy shaman gameplay... resto shaman is competitive in pve heals while also being surprisingly potent in PVP
wearing mail + good self heals + windfury totem is seriously annoying to fight against
shaman also have value in a HWL push so you'll probably be able to find premades that would be interested in taking you
the upside to playing druid (and to some extent shaman) is that if you do get a raid spot, chances are you'll be one of only 2 maybe 3 of your class
compared to rogue/mage/warr there will be significantly less competition for gear
if you want to DPS I think lock is a good underdog choice that will allow you to perform competitively while still having a good shot at gearing reasonably quickly due to the reason above
locks scaled really well with gear into AQ, eventually overtaking mages on the meters, and I suspect that would happen again this time around
hardy siren
vanilla was a different world
mental crystal
still had locks being top tier, no?
hardy siren
mages easily were cream of the crop on meters until gear from AQ started making its way to locks
hunters were strong as well in early days MC but didn't scale well and dropped back to 5th overall behind warriors
cold moth
When will the stress test server be online?
Frustrating to get beta access and then the server is offline all the time
uncut birch
There's a countdown on MMO champ
cold moth
so 45 minutes?
rocky copper
if i were to play druid in classic whats the spec i gotta use cuz i heard classic was shit and only some specs were viable
noble forge
resto
polar vine
I think locks were okay before aq
rocky copper
damn so if i want to dps i cant go druid...
polar vine
Locks were top tier dps before aq
rocky copper
great
polar vine
Is what i meant
rocky copper
tink ima heal it seems more fun and actually uses brain activity
classic dps sounds like bfa dps
uncut birch
Vanilla is more about what kind of actual utility you bring to a raid
rocky copper
4 buttons
polar vine
You can dps as druid, it wasnt viable then, more than likely wont be viable in classic. But you can 5 man or do casual raids
uncut birch
5mans stay relevant forever as well
polar vine
^
rocky copper
so druids are the hybrids in classic
noble forge
@rocky copper thats true for any "hybrid" class
uncut birch
Yea with 16 debuff slots, locks pressed curse of elements and s h a d o w b o l t
uncut birch
Theyre 100% viable as a druid tank
polar vine
In 5 mans
uncut birch
in raids
uncut birch
BiS tank for patchwerk
uncut birch
I disagree
rocky copper
tink im just gnna base what i play in classic as what is the most fun by others opinions
so
polar vine
They were never MT bis
rocky copper
whats the most fun
polar vine
Pm me pepe
rocky copper
ok
uncut birch
x3 druid tanks is BiS for patch
ez
With the gnomer weap they were VERY competitive with warriors in ST threat gen
solar kite
Thought bear druids weren't viable till tbc?
polar vine
Yeah but that isnt the problem
uncut birch
uncut birch
you can solo it at 60
polar vine
Did someone solo it at 60
rocky copper
Reckon they'll start pumping out patches, new content and quality of life updates after release
uncut birch
the gnomer run for the pummeler?
noble forge
and those people do naxx with 38
rocky copper
or people want the full classic experience, cuz classic imo, doesnt have a long life
noble forge
seems also bis?
like ofc you can clear content with anything
but you will have a harder time
convincing your raid to take you
polar vine
Soloong gnomer at 60 wasnt that not as easy as todays soloing?
And bears problem wasnt threat
uncut birch
🤔
I mean, you can play your vanilla game however you want to. But bear tanks did plenty of content, and excel.
Giving new players the perspective that ONLY resto was viable is just straight up not the truth
rocky copper
was balance dudu viable
polar vine
Druid tanks didnt excel like warriors
polar vine
And literally everyone wanted to play warriors so you have 10000 ez win classes but ok
noble forge
it totally depednds on the definition of viable
steep jewel
did bears have swipe?
polar vine
Yes
solar kite
If you want to raid with a druid you'll be healing....or begging your guild to tag along
Dps was sub par. Tanking was sub par and healing was barely good
I think the mods need to pin my message
noble forge
you'd likely still get a few
polar vine
It was good spread healing
noble forge
you will guaranteed need at least one
for the buffing
but like 2 or 3 for battle rezzes im sure you can fit
polar vine
Good as in lightly healed many people or spammed low rank HT on 1 person
solar kite
If that can be checked it shows bis list for each "viable"(using that term loosely) spec in classic
cold moth
first casualty for stress tests seems to be login servers and realm lists
solar kite
Maybe wow was expecting soo many people lol
fossil depot
i mean sitting in a queue to get disconnected at the end of the wait before realm list pops up is bringing back some memories
solar kite
😂 ^
tacit tartan
#nochange
wraith garden
Waited in queue, now the server status is locked 😩
clear fulcrum
solar kite
Now that's funny
polar vine
I wont have my nostalgia until i log in with a username 😤 😤
solar kite
Lol
rugged sentinel
It had me choose between wow1 and wow3??? Picked wow1 then after a wait it said no servers are available. Love it.
If I bang my head against a wall enough maybe they'll reward me with an actual beta invite.
magic tendon
they're really trying to recreate the vanilla feel. next up: a login queue with 56,012 people head of you, just like raider.io.
pearl agate
Did I just see some meme about Druid tanks excelling
They did content sure, but didn’t excel at it
polar vine
Yeah these people are flooding in left and right now
"[Insert garbage spec] WAS TOTALLY VIABLE AND FUN TRUST ME THIS 1 GUY DID SOMETHING COOL"
Meanwhile ill shove cheetos into my mouth and farm while keeping time with my feet on my 4 button warrior cokay
pearl agate
And not being bottom half dps
While having to farm the same content for hours just to be bottom half
rugged sentinel
Are resto druids aight in classic, other than the no rez thing?
agile plume
Well I’m tired of trying. Back to BFA.
rugged sentinel
Lol what a rotation
polar vine
Yeah complex rotations are over rated anyway tbh
mental crystal
tacit sedge
@barren flower pretty sure the 4 line rule still applies for guild recruitment bud. <@&114146878353833984>
scenic kindle
pearl agate
Classic guild recruitment
polar vine
Not even GR or self.promotion channels
frigid robin
4 line rule only applies to guild recruitment, also not even the right channel
limpid orbit
Is the stress test over or are the realms just locked?
I cant log in and level to 5 D:
limpid orbit
RIP I thought it was over tomorrow night
torpid inlet
Are character services going to be in? Like race or faction change?
agile plume
thats a good question
pearl agate
No
tired hound
dense bronze
Hmm that is slightly conflicting from what I have understood from other sources
What I've seen is talk about free transfers not paid transfers, but this might have been pulled out of someones ass 🤷
cold moth
Which faction had more quests? Also thoughts on horde pvp focus vs ally pve focus?
undone cradle
https://www.vanillafriends.com/friends.php?region=us
For those who may be interested in finding old friends for Classic
torn terrace
is the stress realm still open?
dense bronze
Should be for another 12 hours or so
vocal halo
Alliance racials were incredibly strong in classic for PVE
Alliance was simply "the better faction"
dense bronze
vocal halo
gray widget
Alliance dont have lust right ?
whole swan
neither do horde until tbc
gray widget
Rip alliance
vocal halo
Human racials were OP