classic

[pearl agate]

6 months in that number is closer to 0

[glass valve]

lol

[pearl agate]

He normally sits at what

[whole swan]

You dont think classic content will dominate the streams?

[polar vine]

This guy prolly runs a p server

[pearl agate]

5-10k viewers?

[polar vine]

LOL

LOL WHAT

[pearl agate]

I do think it will

For a few weeks to a couple months

[polar vine]

dude who dominates the streams

[pearl agate]

Then it’ll all die off

[polar vine]

In wows small stream count

[glass valve]

you guys are funny. we should sticky this and see what happens by january

[whole swan]

Your not even worth talking to man, trying to troll so hard

[polar vine]

?

[mental crystal]

lmao imagine being delusional

[polar vine]

The viewers arengoing to watch who they follow

[mental crystal]

if you don't think classic won't tank hard a few months after launch hype you're fooling yourself

[polar vine]

Ok ill do your work for you shift brb

[mental crystal]

inb4 the shitstorm when they announce the first lot of changes/patches

😡

[glass valve]

delusional that the most popular mmo ever is going to be popular 6 months from now? or delusional that the most popular mmo ever is goign to be dead in less than 6 months?

[whole swan]

Like scroll up and read moonfire, i agreed with that. We were talking bout streamer numbers and i would think most of the streams even 6 months in are gonna be classic content and not bfa

[mental crystal]

delusional that it'll be popular

[polar vine]

Youre high af shift

[mental crystal]

hell no the hype wears off

[whole swan]

this is problem when we talk numbers, what is "popular"

[pearl agate]

6 months in it will be back to live

[polar vine]

Top 5 wow streams right now

[mental crystal]

then streamers move on to next big pepega view drawer

[pearl agate]

Like it is now

[whole swan]

your popular could be different to mine

[polar vine]

Arent even 80k. 3 are pvpers

And pika isnt on

[mental crystal]

like you think the majority of people watching all the people playing classic now really wanna watch leveling streams 6 months in the future?

[glass valve]

how about pvp streams

[pearl agate]

6 months in people will be clearing the initial raids for the 3rd and 4th time

[whole swan]

I think there will be more people watching people grind shit on classic at 60 / pvping doing random stuff then doing anything on retail

[pearl agate]

High quality content

[whole swan]

Only time i think it changes is a new raid release for world 1st race

[polar vine]

Asmon will take his viewers back to bfa when he try hards pve again.

Nah

[whole swan]

You know theres phases right nexii? It isnt same stuff from day 1 to end

[mental crystal]

man the circlejerk is strong with this one

[glass valve]

betcha asmon stays playing classic cause he actually enjoys it

[mental crystal]

retail sucks everyone hates it 😠

[polar vine]

Top pvp streamers better than the grind mythic all day pve

People don't follow content

They follow people

[pearl agate]

Yes I know how it works

[whole swan]

Oh ok so it doesnt count what game they are playing then cause they just watch for streamer or?

Its all just opinions anyway, we will see in 8 months time

[pearl agate]

For people like Asmongold that’s usually true

[polar vine]

No i dont think wow classic isngoig to beat wow views

[pearl agate]

I bet classic players don’t even beat TMSean

[polar vine]

Because people are going to go back and forth and classic content will suck ass

[whole swan]

Thats your opinion

Same as other guy, just because you hate it doesnt mean others will

[pearl agate]

I mean, I don’t think it’ll suck

And I love classic

[mental crystal]

noone here is saying they hate classic lmfao

[pearl agate]

But thinking 6 months in it’ll be amazing still

[whole swan]

You missed alot of convo, there was people hating on it

[pearl agate]

Is actually insane

[polar vine]

I just dont think people will routinely tune in to watch insanely grindy and not exciting streams

[glass valve]

how is classic grinding more boring than bfa grinding? legit question

[mental crystal]

way less qol

[whole swan]

Depends on the grind, some grinds are ok some are shit

[mental crystal]

is that even a question

[polar vine]

Its what youre grinding

[pearl agate]

I don’t look forward to grinding shards just to be able to play

[whole swan]

Azerite grind for me on bfa sucks, Levelling to 60 is enjoyable. Thats my opinion others will be opposite, some will like both, some will hate both

[pearl agate]

At least AP gives me power

[glass valve]

so uhhh so like being in a dungeon zooming through is what's needed to keep it exciting?

[pearl agate]

I don’t need AP just to cast spells

Leveling to 60 is such a small part though

[whole swan]

Sure but its one of the "grinds"

[pearl agate]

That’s just because they didn’t intend to have questing

[whole swan]

End of the day, if you wanna play it play it, if you wanna play x class y spec then play it. If you hate classic and dont want anything to do with it, dont bother

Even if pop is huge or small, the people who play will enjoy it

[polar vine]

Dude you are thenone bringing up these odd comparisons

[pearl agate]

I don’t remember anyone saying anything about hating it

[polar vine]

"I bet classic twitch is morenpopular"

[mental crystal]

apparently disagreeing with you = hating classic lmao

[whole swan]

I mean, that guy saying it sucks and everything about it sucks and everyone will quit

I class that as hating on it

[mental crystal]

it will be shit months in though

when you run out of stuff to do

[pearl agate]

If you can’t tell when Anc is trolling you

[polar vine]

Thats 3 entire topics you brought up with "i bet" in the first sentence

[mental crystal]

and the pop is dying

still wanna see what they do with it going forward

[glass valve]

there's so much content it's funny to think that people will run out of things to do at 6 mo. if only I'd be ready for naxx in only 6 mo

[whole swan]

Yeah sunshine cause i cant predict the future, sorry having an opinion on how the game will go offends you

[mental crystal]

wrath would be comfy

[pearl agate]

Mop or bust

[mental crystal]

yeah mop would be lit too

[pearl agate]

Anything but Cata or WoD tbh

[polar vine]

Youre just bringing up confrontational opinions and then flaming people who disagree with you

[whole swan]

Whos flaming? If i said black you would say white

[polar vine]

Do people stream classic p servers?

[pearl agate]

Yeah

[whole swan]

Dunno, dont think its allowed

[polar vine]

Where theycat

[pearl agate]

Literally dozens of people watch

[whole swan]

pretty sure its against TOS

[glass valve]

they can't casue they get banned lol

anyone famous literally disappears

[pearl agate]

Yeah

They get deleted pretty fast

[polar vine]

Im not arguing with you for the sake.of arguing(surprising) but you're just saying really disagreeable stuff lmao

[whole swan]

Well its an opinion, of course people will disagree

[polar vine]

[glass valve]

most of the opinions seem pretty classic hating imo

but maybe I'm too biased

[polar vine]

Yeah maybe ur brain is swollen

[glass valve]

might be but I'm not making personal attacks

[pearl agate]

Haven’t seen anyone hating classic

Just private server logic

=/=

[twin palm]

classic hating is popular opinion cuz anyone that isn't smooth brain knows its going to blow 8)

[polar vine]

LOL

SMOOTH BRAIN

I LOVE THIS GUY

[glass valve]

seems more like it's reactionary rather than based on anything historical. all the signs show it will be popular but peopel are adament about it's imminent failure.

[polar vine]

Bfa was gonna be popular too

Remember that?

[mental crystal]

wh

[glass valve]

yeah till they changed all the mechanics

[mental crystal]

if you got duped into believing that i'm sorry for you

[pearl agate]

They didn’t change the mechanics

[glass valve]

pretty sure we know the mechanics for classic

[young latch]

what signs show that it will be super popular long term

the world is more and more into short term quick fix games

[pearl agate]

We knew in alpha that BFA was going to be garbage

[polar vine]

His private server math

[mental crystal]

bfa had signs of being a rushed piece of shit from day one lmao

[pearl agate]

And reported

And actually the fact it was never changed is why it was shit

Not because of changes

[glass valve]

it was popular. the gameplay it had continued into tbc and mostly wrath which were also popular. pservers are as popular as something like that will be. and now that beta is released streams are popular and streamers are saying they really like the gameplay

[young latch]

the rise of battle royal games shows that the public isnt really interested in a mmo right now

[whole swan]

What would you say is successfull for classic?

[polar vine]

Streamers speak for all of the viewers yes

[whole swan]

Any of you

What would show that its been a success

[polar vine]

Blizzard improving communication when players realized its a capped gameplay system

[pearl agate]

Ya boy Asmongold is already down to 38k viewers from 100k

Big hype

In a week of beta

Seems long term

[glass valve]

lol clearly epic fail

only 10 servers concurrent rather than 25

[pearl agate]

I mean that’s the logic people are presenting

[polar vine]

Yeah dude watchong someone grind tigers in stv is huge gameplay

[pearl agate]

Twitch viewers

[glass valve]

want you guys to answer shfit's question

[whole swan]

The streamer thing right now isnt a good comparison like, its beta and next retail stream is like 14th?

[polar vine]

I did

[whole swan]

With 600 views

[glass valve]

no you didn't

[pearl agate]

But you said that shows popularity

[glass valve]

no one gave numbers

[whole swan]

Obviously people say it will fail, everyone will stop. I wanna know what people think it being succesfull is

[glass valve]

as for what constitutes sucess

[pearl agate]

You can’t use viewers as evidence earlier

[polar vine]

He didnt ask for numbers

Are you actually

[pearl agate]

And now say it doesn’t matter

That’s bullshit

[polar vine]

This dude salty

[whole swan]

Full game vs the beta

[summer snow]

i would say the fact it is being release is a success in and of itself, its gonna bring blizz more subs which they won't disclose, so it won't have a measurable means of success

[whole swan]

Im not comparing nexii now

[pearl agate]

But you used him earlier

So earlier when you used him it matters

But now it doesn’t cause it doesn’t fit your logic?

[glass valve]

lot of answer dodging going on

[mental crystal]

yeah tbf it's wild how stubborn blizzard is with their "always forward" philosophy

[whole swan]

What did i say earlier? i said the more popular streams would be classic

by that argument, what are the more popular streams now? yeah classic

6 months down the line vs now

[young latch]

@glass valve what questions are we dodging specificly

also at this point

are you just a troll

[glass valve]

what constitutes "success" for classic

[polar vine]

I mean yeah he is lmao

[whole swan]

Latter i asked what makes classic successful

[polar vine]

Communication

I said that

[young latch]

ahh the success of classic will come from it actually making blizzard money

[glass valve]

communication? what does that even mean?

[pearl agate]

What measures success is logins per day

[young latch]

long term

[pearl agate]

Or hours spent playing on average

[young latch]

if it increases there wow subs

[whole swan]

I dont know how we tell if it makes money though, with the shared sub

[young latch]

over the next 3 years

then i will call it a success

[whole swan]

Its gonna be skewed though with bfa patches, and then next expansion comes out within 3 years

its hard to tell

[young latch]

yes

[pearl agate]

You can look at how many unique log in to classic and live

[glass valve]

and no I'm not a troll. I'm like the opposite of troll

[polar vine]

What nex said

[young latch]

you can see on someones account if they play wow classic or retail or what ever and you can do the math

[pearl agate]

Yes

[young latch]

we cant but blizzard will be able ot

[pearl agate]

If I spent 100 hours a week on live and 5 on Classic

It’s obvious which my sub is for

[whole swan]

Yeah but can we see the login info of what games/hours? im not asking what blizzard considers it a success

im asking what you personally class it succesfull, that we can actually see

[young latch]

this is what i would call a success

[pearl agate]

What I personally count it as successful I can’t see

[young latch]

^^

[pearl agate]

Player count is what makes it successful

[young latch]

i will never see the numbers

[whole swan]

So you can know its failing if nobody plays right

[pearl agate]

Not streams, or any of that crap

[young latch]

but thats what i would say is a success

[whole swan]

But the opposite we cant? Like i dunno

[glass valve]

how long does the playerbase have to be generally a decent number before it's a "success"? 6 mo? 1 year?

2 months?

a la retail? haha

[pearl agate]

1 year

[twin palm]

i will count it successful if after 1 year blizzard thinks actively maintaining servers for classic is worth the $ expenditure monetarily

which i think is probably even money

as a bet

[whole swan]

id assume naxx wont be out for at least a year

[polar vine]

Easily until after phase 4 is released

[pearl agate]

It has to last through their entire phase plan

Or it’s a failure

[polar vine]

^

[whole swan]

If they make TBC, its a pretty good sign it worked right?

Otherwise they wouldnt waste time

[young latch]

i dont know if them making tbc is or isnt a failure

[glass valve]

naxx is at least 1.5 years. hopefully more like 2.5

[pearl agate]

It won’t be that long

It’ll die off then

[twin palm]

0% its 2.5 years

[glass valve]

uh yeah it will

[pearl agate]

No chance

[glass valve]

you don't get gear fast enough for the expansions to be back to back

[mental crystal]

wh

[whole swan]

I dont have a clue what time frame blizz will use

[pearl agate]

You don’t think they will rush content then vanilla sit for a year or two?

[polar vine]

"Uh" is a solid opener for conversations. I use it at mcdonalds all the time

[pearl agate]

You are insane

[polar vine]

If people have to wait 2.5 years for the best pve content

[glass valve]

why would they rush it?

[polar vine]

They would flip shit

[whole swan]

Even if there was 3 months between each patch

[pearl agate]

If they don’t it will die off

[whole swan]

It would be at least a year and a half

[glass valve]

you think people are gonna just be on the edge of their seat waiting to hit that unsubscribe button?

[polar vine]

People are going to clear shit faster

[pearl agate]

All the content will be released within 2 years

[polar vine]

They will require more content

[young latch]

easly with in 2 years

[pearl agate]

Even live is on a two year cycle

Why would Vanilla be longer

[glass valve]

it doesn't matter if they clear it week 1. you can't get gear fast enough. people run stuff so they can actually get gear

[pearl agate]

0 logic

[whole swan]

Depends if they copy the actual release

[glass valve]

you guys have such a different outlook on the game it really is like we're talking different languages sometimes

[pearl agate]

Well yeah

Some played classic

[polar vine]

We are

[pearl agate]

Some play private

Only one is real

[polar vine]

Im speaking a language and your banging 2 rocks together

[whole swan]

Actual vanilla was what, 2 and a half years? And the release they did kinda fucked over naxx

[glass valve]

wow so number of purple drops is also in despute for pservers too?

alrighty then

[polar vine]

Not sure

Where that came from

[pearl agate]

I mean people will argue any point just to be right

[glass valve]

I'm saying gear is the limiting factor for progression

[pearl agate]

Moving the goal posts always wins

[glass valve]

it's not about how bored you are for when you want to step into the next raid

[pearl agate]

That’s why you play private, they move them for you

[polar vine]

People are going to gear faster than they did in vanilla

Because of availible data sources

[glass valve]

what?

[lost jolt]

Knowing shit

[glass valve]

how does data mean they gear faster?

[pearl agate]

Everything will be faster

[polar vine]

No one is running.blindly into raids

[pearl agate]

And requirements will be lower

[polar vine]

Idiots arent taking 2 weeks to attund

[glass valve]

you can't magically make a boss drop 3 purples

[polar vine]

Are you actually this stupid?

[glass valve]

I guess so

[summer snow]

also 1.12 talents put us in a different character power level than original

[polar vine]

^

[pearl agate]

Very true

[whole swan]

i think he means you get 1 shot per week

[polar vine]

Youre leaving the gate ahead of MC

[pearl agate]

Don’t have the same gear requirements

[polar vine]

Yeah

[whole swan]

at each boss, unless your guild split raids

[polar vine]

It was not uncommon for guilds to notnclear a raid everycweek

It is now

[lost jolt]

Aren’t some bis not even from raids?

[whole swan]

Yea

[polar vine]

^

[pearl agate]

Yes

[polar vine]

Thorium brotherhood baby

[pearl agate]

And not purple

[glass valve]

has fr only

[whole swan]

You think they have the time line already planned? Or are wiling to change it / still working on it

[polar vine]

Thinking people are gonna gear slowly is illogical MC will be on farm

[whole swan]

Like some will be shorter then others for sure

But like phase 5, theres war effort and shit to do

[summer snow]

they have a rough schedule, i dont think its set in stone with dates yet

theyve already altered it

[glass valve]

I didn't say they'd gear slow. I'd say that gear drops is a limiting factor

[polar vine]

Wow

[glass valve]

you can't ilevel in 2 weeks

[frosty estuary]

Split raids

[rigid glacier]

yes you can lol

[lost jolt]

People will clear the first raid the first reset

[polar vine]

^

[pearl agate]

You’re wrong guys

He plays private

[whole swan]

Yeah i agree MC is down week 1

[twin palm]

god i can't wait to day raid to get world 1983u49238472394723948724923872348239472423482342 molten core, it's gonna be so fucking SICK

everyone will praise me

[summer snow]

can you even summon rag week 1?

[polar vine]

What channel do u come from 1 anc

[glass valve]

I know people are gonna clear a raid first week it's out. each raid only drops like 35 total epics. you can't magically get more

[polar vine]

Wow

[twin palm]

i come from reg offtopic

obviously

the only channel worth not having muted

[polar vine]

Oof never beenc

[summer snow]

or i guess domo rather than rag

[twin palm]

yea not invited

[pearl agate]

reg off topic is big memer

[lusty gazelle]

What’s that, anc?

That channel doesn’t exist

[frosty estuary]

You can get more, Taladril

[polar vine]

People are gonna gear faster than they did in vanilla point blank

[frosty estuary]

Do MC splits

[frigid robin]

[rigid glacier]

clear MC with 15 people

in 3 raids

[polar vine]

Idk why you think they wont

[rigid glacier]

[pearl agate]

Imagine thinking you actually needed 40 raiders

[frosty estuary]

Also more efficient/smarter loot distribution

[pearl agate]

And not just 40 bodies and 15 raiders

[twin palm]

anyone else taking 2 wks off to get world 1.02342340923 x 10^25 th molten core

[glass valve]

yeah faster than vanilla ok. but not to the point where you want the game to be 1.5 years. it's not always a lowest common denominator problem

[twin palm]

cant wait to use my PTO

[mental crystal]

you needed people to have the instagib debuffs land on

[summer snow]

also with updated dungeon loot, youll be getting better gear in dungeons than mc

[glass valve]

can't wait to see the guilds that do split raids and have half the raid get no loot ever just to get one 40 man to, what clear naxx really fast? wewlad

[summer snow]

as far as heals go you can just run strat and brd and be decked out

[polar vine]

Ya idk

[young latch]

thats whats been happenning for the entire lifetime of wow with split runs

[rigid glacier]

[mental crystal]

lmao that's literally

high end raiding

[rigid glacier]

yes

[pearl agate]

Especially since they said there would be loot trading in raid

[polar vine]

This dude actually just mad irl about some personal shit

[mental crystal]

lmfao

[pearl agate]

Can gear who you need to

[polar vine]

And arguing with us

[glass valve]

high end mythic is sorta different than just running a raid

[polar vine]

[pearl agate]

Sorta?

[glass valve]

if you're going for top times you need a solid group

[rigid glacier]

yeah high end mythic raiding is much harder than vanilla raiding lmao

[twin palm]

[glass valve]

if you are going for max gear then you can't do times

can't do both at the same time

[rigid glacier]

like magnitudes harder

[pearl agate]

Mythic in Vanilla

[twin palm]

vanilla has really hard mechanics so MC will be very hard

engaging content honestly

[mental crystal]

imagine if vanilla bosses had mechanics

[polar vine]

I leave a raid feeling accomolished

Personally, and spiritually satisfied

[twin palm]

yeah i'm a big accomolisher of things

[polar vine]

Me too

[rigid glacier]

[glass valve]

you guys calling me the troll

[twin palm]

i figured out how blizz can jebait people into playing classic

[rigid glacier]

the only hard part about MC is leveling to 60

[glass valve]

your arguments are garbage

[frosty estuary]

[01:37] Taladril: if you are going for max gear then you can't do times
[01:38] Taladril: can't do both at the same time

Sure you can. Clear it week 1 for world first, then do the raid on 5 characters a week to funnel gear to mains.

[pearl agate]

“No you are”

[twin palm]

open aq donations and give out scarab lord titles + mounts on retail

[pearl agate]

“You call me troll, but no u”

[twin palm]

they'd easily 10x the amount of people that hit 60

genius

[rigid glacier]

[whole swan]

Then they realise how aids it is to actually do the quest line

[rigid glacier]

you think that ever stopped mount farmers?

[twin palm]

you know how many giga achievement nerds there are

now combine that w/ mount nerds

[polar vine]

I would accomolish that

[twin palm]

people would legit resub for that

[rigid glacier]

they are the same people

[polar vine]

Ez

[twin palm]

they'd actually make so much $

hire me blizz

[whole swan]

I dont think you even have a chance at getting it finished and banging gong if your a random

[glass valve]

doubt we'll see a lot of split raids. since tons of bis gear is locked behind pvp and other stuff I doubt top tier raiders are gonna spend 80% of their time in raids on alts just to hope that a few in the raid get gear slightly faster

[twin palm]

who is a top tier raider in vanilla

[polar vine]

Honestly

[twin palm]

the entire population?

cuz the game is so god damn easy

[pearl agate]

80% of time in raids

[frosty estuary]

Not slightly faster

5x faster if you do 5 splits

[polar vine]

Every new thing you say that is very not smart im going to do a shot

@glass valve

[glass valve]

you guys are talking about doing like 4 splits or something. you think you can get 4 splits done in less than 4 raid nights?

[stuck locust]

rofl

[frosty estuary]

Yes

[pearl agate]

You’ll be wasted in 15 minutes

[twin palm]

1. yes

[rigid glacier]

call an ambulance now @polar vine

[polar vine]

Thats 1

Already

[glass valve]

you think when aq is out you aren't still going back to mc? haha yea ok

[twin palm]

2. giga hard core classic players (idfk why that would exist but i guess there's lots of smooth brain ppl) will easily raid more than 4 nights

3. you forget classic is very very very easy

[young latch]

how many splits do oyu think top raiders do right now in retail @glass valve

[stuck locust]

no anc it's not easy it's just undertuned

[pearl agate]

0

[young latch]

oof

[stuck locust]

i know because i played a private server once

[glass valve]

don't care. it's completely different but you tell me

[pearl agate]

And it takes all week

Lol

[twin palm]

why is it different

[pearl agate]

That’s why shitters play Classic

All they could handle

[glass valve]

top tier raiders are going for rank 14. tell me how much time they have for splits

[pearl agate]

Pserver hard

[young latch]

going for rank 14?

[restive grotto]

[rigid glacier]

top tier raiders going for rank 14

[polar vine]

Thats 2

[twin palm]

ok so

[young latch]

whats rank 14 and why does it matter

[polar vine]

Hell yeah

[pearl agate]

Raiders

PvP

Got it

[glass valve]

uh yeah. you guys don't know how imba the 14 weapons are?

[twin palm]

you clear mc in 2 hours because the game is very easy

and then you do w/e else you want

[rigid glacier]

do you know how many people can get rank 14 per week?

[polar vine]

Mc wasnr even 2 hours

[mental crystal]

no vanilla was very hard and the game only got easier since 😡

[whole swan]

rank 14 wont even be in the game until pvp phase

[glass valve]

not many. but all rank 14s are in top guilds

[whole swan]

and then its 3 months after that for first one

[frosty estuary]

Top tier raiders just alternate who gets to be R14 until everybody has their stuff

[whole swan]

or some shit like that

Its not viable to aim to grind it

[rigid glacier]

so what do they do after getting rank 14?

[pearl agate]

Quit

[whole swan]

they lose rank 14

[rigid glacier]

they are still farming pvp 24/7?

[polar vine]

Pvp is phase 3?

[pearl agate]

Lol

[polar vine]

2

[twin palm]

@rigid glacier probably empty their poop sock

[polar vine]

Phase 2

[lost jolt]

Why do you even need bis gear?

[twin palm]

you dont

[restive grotto]

is MC out week 1 or not until week 2

[twin palm]

the game is very easy remember

[restive grotto]

cuz its dead the first week

you know that right

[whole swan]

Should be out day 1

[restive grotto]

ya its dead week 1

[polar vine]

Its out day 1

[restive grotto]

you do understand that right

[whole swan]

ofc its dead week 1

[rigid glacier]

I think you need rep

can you farm it in 1 week?

[pearl agate]

Yeh

I don’t think so?

Maybe

[glass valve]

you can

[whole swan]

Rep for the azshara item?

[polar vine]

You start the game in 1.12 which was over mc lvl

[rigid glacier]

you need a few people to farm rep

[glass valve]

it's irritating but you can

[whole swan]

I cant even remember

[pearl agate]

MC gets cleared week 1

And thinking you need bis is laughable

[twin palm]

MC won't be cleared week 1 because classic is very challenging with big brain mechanics

[glass valve]

mc will be cleared week one prob but it'll be week 2 for any reasonable guild

[polar vine]

Wait tortybb might be right

[restive grotto]

ya alkaizers guild is 100% killing MC week 1

[glass valve]

people literally be no sleepign it week 1

[polar vine]

What was the rep reset

[restive grotto]

cuz theyll be level 60 by day 3

[twin palm]

yea imagine taking PTO to get world 6 billionth MC

[rigid glacier]

you think they work? 😄

[twin palm]

oof

[frosty estuary]

Just be a streamer main

[polar vine]

@restive grotto nah bro they dont know the best leveling routes

[pearl agate]

But I did it on private servers

[polar vine]

Its all about the routes

[pearl agate]

So I know all of it

[frosty estuary]

They don't need to know

AAP will know for them

[pearl agate]

Oh shit it’s Dyne

[polar vine]

No bro they do

[restive grotto]

hi dynes i love u ur doing a great job

[polar vine]

I just snarfed my beer at that emoji what the heck

[summer snow]

think you just need to kill the lizard dudes for an aqual

cant remember if it had a rep requirement

[glass valve]

you need honored

[lost jolt]

Everyone be good dynes here

[pearl agate]

👼

[summer snow]

revered gets you the permanent aqual

if thats in at launchg

[young latch]

[whole swan]

Never even thought about them fucking up the launch

[pearl agate]

I wonder how smooth it’ll be

[rigid glacier]

oi lads

[mental crystal]

can i spend some good boy points to be naughty instead

😈

[pearl agate]

I think it’ll be worse than any other xpac

[whole swan]

BFA had draenor i think? down for over a day

[dense bronze]

I'm curious what the record /played to 60 will be in classic
It was 4 days, 20 hours or something in actual vanilla on a new realm. But obviously been beaten quite a lot on emulators, it will be interesting to see if routes created there have any real value at all in classic.
I suspect dynamic respawns have had some major impact on the emulator records

[twin palm]

@pearl agate smoother than classic players brains

[glass valve]

emulators until recently had incorrect xp values

(they were too high)

[pearl agate]

But they were close

[glass valve]

ehh ish

[pearl agate]

Good data

[rigid glacier]

xp values for mobs or for getting levels?

[glass valve]

people will definitely beat joanna's time. just cause speed running is much more of a thing these days

xp for quests

[whole swan]

I wonder if a aoe grinder can get ahead of the pack on some realm and make use of it

[twin palm]

It’s g

[glass valve]

mobs is correct. was verified in the beta

[polar vine]

I thought dyne was gonna tell us to calm down but thats a surprisingly good question from the winking whale

[frosty estuary]

I hope they don't just so it stays at 4 20

[whole swan]

Should easily beat 4 days

[rigid glacier]

just buy a boost

how hard can it be

[pearl agate]

I’m not gonna lie

I’m taking my time

[twin palm]

@rigid glacier am your Russian connections level me

[polar vine]

I plan on rushing my rogue

[pearl agate]

@rigid glacier how much to rmt leveling

[twin palm]

Power level me past the plebs so I can gank the shit out of levelers

[mental crystal]

yeah im taking levelling comfy af

dunno if i even intend to raid yet

[polar vine]

@anc thats the plan

[whole swan]

Cant wait to get to STV and get shit on

[mental crystal]

just get some comfy nostalgia fix

[pearl agate]

I’ll raid and all that

[rigid glacier]

people will be pugging MC and BWL

[polar vine]

Bring focusing crystal

[pearl agate]

But I wanna enjoy the nostalgia

And a new class

[glass valve]

have fun pugging bwl lol

[polar vine]

Here we go again

[twin palm]

Yeah it has really challenging mechanics

Good point

[mental crystal]

Very difficult content

Unpuggable

😠

[rigid glacier]

you need to run out with a bomb on vael

[glass valve]

oh it's puggable. but those that actually are not raid locked out... you don't wanna pug with em

[rigid glacier]

and line of sight on some boss

[whole swan]

Just hearth out

[twin palm]

Can’t wait till they patch in determination for classic raids since the game is so difficult

[glass valve]

you just ain't gonna have fun with a pug. friggen sucks

[mental crystal]

that's always been true

?

[polar vine]

I want weekly modifiers in raids

[rigid glacier]

are you telling me vanilla sucks and I cant lfr?

[pearl agate]

Take a shot

[polar vine]

Like teeming

[pearl agate]

@polar vine

[whole swan]

People who will actually play it, Ally or Horde

[pearl agate]

Ally

[rigid glacier]

teeming is lucifron vs majordomo @polar vine

[polar vine]

Im only taking 1 even tho he said 2 dumb things. It was the same dumb thing

[rigid glacier]

you basically get the same boss but more mobs

[twin palm]

@rigid glacier will dungeon finder or questing be faster to 60?

[glass valve]

@pearl agate just wanna be clear, are pservers harder or easier than what classic will be? then I can say something stupid to you about it. but gonna make sure it panders to your needs

[pearl agate]

Tbf either thing will be dumb

So gimme both

[polar vine]

I was always led ro believe it was easier.

[pearl agate]

Then he can take two shots

[whole swan]

should be easier, i think priv servers fucked with numbers / guessed them

and also its 1.12 stuff at launch

[glass valve]

pservers harder: well I pugged on them and it was horrible so I'm sure that in classic it'll be easy! 👍

pservers easier: well I pugged on them and it was horrible so... oh wait it'll be worse on classic? fml 👎

[polar vine]

Wot

Dude

R u tryna kill me

[pearl agate]

So toughness is based on pug ability

[glass valve]

pservers are probably harder (which is a pointless thing to say cause it's easy) because the boss armor is most likely higher than it'll be on classic

[pearl agate]

@polar vine two shots

[rigid glacier]

I hope AMR can sim TUF of vanilla bosses

[pearl agate]

And because worse players play private

[polar vine]

Tala my life is in yournhands

[glass valve]

toughness is based on boss mechanics that punish morons who don't know what they're doing. aka pugs

[polar vine]

Yeah basically

[pearl agate]

$report

[ancient eagle]

This incident has been reported to the proper authorities. Thank you for your time.

[whole swan]

cant use the m word

[rigid glacier]

no bad words

[whole swan]

😄

[twin palm]

what boss mechanics

lmao

[rigid glacier]

this is a pg-12 christian server

[mental crystal]

🙏

[glass valve]

right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards

[polar vine]

Private aerver players are not good smarts

[pearl agate]

🙏

[twin palm]

dark web LOL

[polar vine]

Dark web

Ok

[pearl agate]

Wait

[polar vine]

Arsly

[mental crystal]

wait

[pearl agate]

Fuck of

[polar vine]

Im drunk

[rigid glacier]

I hacked google to play on a private server

[pearl agate]

Private server is the dark web

[mental crystal]

nvm warden

[rigid glacier]

🕶

[mental crystal]

[pearl agate]

So the same place you buy humans and drugs

[twin palm]

D A R K W E B

[pearl agate]

Is where Vanilla private servers are

Are you actually stupid

[young latch]

right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards

[mental crystal]

anyone else got a link to some dark web private servers that i can log onto with my vpn 😎

[glass valve]

it's called hyperbole

[pearl agate]

It’s called moron

[polar vine]

Uh huh

[twin palm]

i like the hyperbole

i hope the patriots dont win again

[mental crystal]

you do not get good people playing on private servers

[polar vine]

The hyper bowl

[mental crystal]

funnily enough

[polar vine]

Of epit tome

[pearl agate]

Dark web

[young latch]

i had a hyperbole for dinner

[mental crystal]

you get shitters

[pearl agate]

Fuck outa here

[young latch]

was full of dark webs

[dense bronze]

Please calm down

[rigid glacier]

I can see vanilla server streamers atm with their auto attack on 1

real skilled players

😎

[glass valve]

you guys actually think the average player on retail is better than the average player on pservers? I think they are both average

[mental crystal]

yes

[rigid glacier]

I think top players on private servers are dog shit

[mental crystal]

and that's saying something

[noble forge]

@rigid glacier thats just wrong

[mental crystal]

because the average player on retail is dogshit too

[twin palm]

i think the average player now is about 300 times better than the average player from classic and that the game is very very easy

[glass valve]

lol

[noble forge]

top players are actually good

[restive grotto]

average theyre probably equal

top players onretail are better than private and its not close

[glass valve]

I'm not saying average 15 years ago wtf

[twin palm]

sore is just tooting his own horn cuz he thinks he's a top player smh

[noble forge]

top guilds are a lot better on retail

[twin palm]

dont fall into his traps

[restive grotto]

smh fuck that sore guy

[noble forge]

individual players is a lot harder

[restive grotto]

😡

[lusty gazelle]

Yeah screw sore

[rigid glacier]

I've watched a stream of some guild killing KT

[twin palm]

gladly 😉

[rigid glacier]

and the guy was clicking windfury totem

[restive grotto]

😮

[rigid glacier]

that told me everything I had to know

about private server community

[latent wyvern]

youre supposed to click spells, its classic torty

if you dont you arent getting immersion

youre supposed to use 4:3 monitor

[lone skiff]

[latent wyvern]

click spells

[lusty gazelle]

Real players just type /cast

[latent wyvern]

keyboard turn

[pearl agate]

@young latch hey man what do you wanna do today

Buy a human or play vanilla

[young latch]

umm

[polar vine]

LMAO

[young latch]

fly to america

[lusty gazelle]

Make sure you /camp

[restive grotto]

but ya average sure, but theres also a shit ton more people on retail because its the default where as private you are specifically looking to play on said private server and you generally care alot more if youre playing on private servers

[young latch]

can you buy a plane ticket insteads

[glass valve]

and I'm sure the average retail player doesn't click spells ever

[pearl agate]

That would make retail better tho

They don’t keyboard turn either

[polar vine]

Clickers are basically extinct except for brand new players

[glass valve]

Soreanan 🦅Today at 5:01 PM
but ya average sure, but theres also a shit ton more people on retail because its the default where as private you are specifically looking to play on said private server and you generally care alot more if youre playing on private servers

This implies pserver players will be better than average

[restive grotto]

ya sure

[polar vine]

Well hes wrong

[fiery mantle]

i have my CRT ready for the real vanilla experience, just gotta get a new bigger desk to fit that thing on there 🙂

[restive grotto]

but i think arguing the average player skill is kinda dumb

and using that as a judge of "skill" is pointless

[pearl agate]

The average private server player is like winning the special olympics

[polar vine]

Yeah the skill needed to take rag down

Is monstrous

[whole swan]

Yeah it is, comparing avergae player on 2 different games is fucked

[latent wyvern]

@fiery mantle 👍

[twin palm]

right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards

[pearl agate]

All seriousness though

Can we pin the dark web thing

[glass valve]

Nexii (50% Tank)Today at 5:03 PM
The average private server player is like winning the special olympics

sums up why the conversation has gone as it has today. don't even understand the players

[pearl agate]

right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards

[restive grotto]

but because there are vastly more people on retail servers, the top players are massively better than anyone on private servers and its not close. and i think thats a much better metric of "skill"

[pearl agate]

This is what the private server players think

[restive grotto]

playing classic is more like trying to speedrun a game aswell rather than an actual progression competition

whoever puts the most reps in beforehand is going to win

[glass valve]

first clears won't mean a lot

[pearl agate]

Playing classic is like playing snes emulator when ps4 is out

[glass valve]

it'll be much more about who had better ping that day practically. you're right cause it'll be about clear time

[restive grotto]

correct

[polar vine]

Yeah but really no one will care

[glass valve]

and how do people play snes these days if competitive? speed runs

[polar vine]

Like at all

[restive grotto]

so comparing the skill levels is stupid, because classic isnt a competition

[rigid glacier]

I care

I hope they implement raider.io score for classic

so I can group with good people

[twin palm]

@restive grotto yes it is

you need to fight for world 6,000,000,001th molten core clear

[mental crystal]

bring back gearscore

[glass valve]

there will be a ton of competition with classic. it just won't be about world firsts

[polar vine]

Me too torty

[fiery mantle]

@rigid glacier gotta log your UBRS runs and submit proper timers for your raider.io vanilla score

[rigid glacier]

wonder if there will be more loot if I 3 chest UBRS

[polar vine]

8 want the best groups for bfd

Yeah

The deqrf dungeon

[young latch]

i cant wait to discover that taladril is just konahh

[restive grotto]

i knew it!

[mental crystal]

tbh classic discussion does remind me of brexit

[glass valve]

dunno who that is. sorry to burst your bubble. I am just me

[polar vine]

Is that a shot

🤔

[young latch]

thats exactly what konahh would say

[restive grotto]

^

[young latch]

[restive grotto]

youve been caught

[twin palm]

konah wouldnt play classic

so classic isnt brexit

its a good try though

[mental crystal]

🙁

brexit means brexit

classic means classic

[glass valve]

is that a guy in method? just googling him

[scenic kindle]

hmm

[polar vine]

Ooo purple

[rigid glacier]

check his wikipedia page

it's wild shit

[polar vine]

So pretty

[latent wyvern]

Classic NEEEDS:

• dungeon timers
• raider.io
• M+
• WOrld QUests
• Monks, DH, DKs
• Islands/AP Grind
• Warforging/Titanforging

OR it wont be as good as BFA

[young latch]

oof

[twin palm]

good point

[mental crystal]

vanilla titanforging

[polar vine]

Hell yeah

[glass valve]

good ideas to ruin good games

[restive grotto]

W O R L D Q U E S T S

[latent wyvern]

yeah cause its the WORLD of warcraft why not have WORLD questing duh

[restive grotto]

obviously

[latent wyvern]

what else would you do at maxlevel

[whole swan]

half the fucking quests already send you around the world

[pearl agate]

Right shift

So how do we fix the other half

[whole swan]

Dunno, ask the bfa devs

[restive grotto]

@bfadevs help

[frigid robin]

@polar vine dont do that

[restive grotto]

😮

[polar vine]

Do what

[mental crystal]

do it

[twin palm]

that

[polar vine]

I ont see nuthin

Aint nuthin here offica

[frigid robin]

deleted by warden, i see it

[pearl agate]

Lies

Show us

[frigid robin]

pass

[polar vine]

Yeah what r u even talking about

[pearl agate]

Pics or it didn’t happen

[polar vine]

R u ok

[restive grotto]

did he say something naughty

😡

[frigid robin]

turtle copypasta

[polar vine]

No i discuss my dyne erp in the proper channel

[glass valve]

I want picture proof of all the shots

[polar vine]

Oh yeah that idk

[mental crystal]

im gonna need a copy of this dyne erp for research purposes

[polar vine]

[frigid robin]

[mental crystal]

?

[restive grotto]

o u naughty boy

[polar vine]

Ill pass u a note in class

[restive grotto]

😡

[dense bronze]

Let's try to stick to something at least somewhat related to topic

[mental crystal]

you're saying you're not gonna go to goldshire inn in classic?

[young latch]

will feral dps be viable

discuss

[polar vine]

[glass valve]

we did discuss it. everyone said no because that's what they remember

[polar vine]

[dense bronze]

@mental crystal Only if there are pvp tagged people to gank there.

[twin palm]

honestly classic druid channel should be named #classicresto

[mental crystal]

[polar vine]

Guys lets keep the ruckus to a minimum while the whale is in the waters

[rigid glacier]

imagine dpsing as a feral druid

[mental crystal]

dunno where horde went to erp tbh

[rigid glacier]

you put up rip

[mental crystal]

[rigid glacier]

sunder armor disappears

you get kicked

👋

[glass valve]

rip is a bleed...

it's not even an armor pen

[rigid glacier]

there are 16 debuff slots, my friend

[mental crystal]

yikes inc

[twin palm]

all mage grp for giga ignites smh

[young latch]

rip and rake are dead for raid

[polar vine]

Dammit

Thats a shot

[glass valve]

sunder has high prio

[young latch]

higher prio?

[glass valve]

ya

[whole swan]

certain debuffs get kicked off first or something

[rigid glacier]

just run full raid of ferals

[twin palm]

also certain classes get kicked first

[rigid glacier]

use all the rips

[twin palm]

like ferals

[young latch]

40 rips

🤔

[glass valve]

sunder is not something that's gonna get pushed off. warrs casting it all the time when tanking

[twin palm]

my grp doesnt have any warrior tanks cuz class fantasy is bear druids

smh

[rigid glacier]

so you gonna push out something else

[glass valve]

ferocious bite is most optimal over rip anyway so not really a point to the discussion

[rigid glacier]

which means you lose dps either way

wat

how is ferocious bite better? because it does more dmg?

[glass valve]

yeah. armor can be reduced by all the armor debuffs that it is better

[rigid glacier]

ok, so for an ability to be better it only needs to do more dmg

classic players btw

[mental crystal]

yeah it does more damage than one tick of rip

[glass valve]

I'm sorry. more damage when comparing 2 finishers would seem to be the point to compare

[polar vine]

U gotta slow down

[glass valve]

there's no advantage to rip plus it takes a debuff spot so the fact that fb is better in both accounts makes me think that yes that would be better

[rigid glacier]

it... costs less energy

[polar vine]

I get all wmotional when i drink

[rigid glacier]

I dont know if you noticed, but feral druids use energy

and ferocious bite has lower AP scaling

[pearl agate]

How long have you been sitting on this info

[mental crystal]

i mean you say that torty but feral's pepega as fuck atm lmao

energy doesn't exist

[pearl agate]

But Torty

[young latch]

rake dosent scale at all rigith

talking about scaling

[glass valve]

good thing @rigid glacier has tc'd this spell. please do shrae

[rigid glacier]

it doesnt matter, rip still does more dmg with good gear lol

it's basic math

[pearl agate]

Private servers show Feral is great

[twin palm]

lololol

this is very complicated

[polar vine]

Basic mayan math

This.dude hasnt discovered 0 yet

[rigid glacier]

I dont need to TC anything, the spell coefficients are publicly available

[twin palm]

right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards

[polar vine]

LMAO

[mental crystal]

dark web theorycrafting

[pearl agate]

[rigid glacier]

this is why people think classic players are dogshit

[polar vine]

Dark web mathematics dude its.not rocket appliances

[glass valve]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SlB9gHufWFvQ5cs8dVXZOAftup-WteZ3 yeah total junk

[rigid glacier]

simulator spreadsheet

im going in

[polar vine]

God dammit

[young latch]

[mental crystal]

wtf you can't leak these dark web documents

you'll get me arrested

[pearl agate]

Obv dark web casual

[polar vine]

@pearl agate are you keeping counting

Count

[pearl agate]

I can’t count this high

[mental crystal]

didn't even have my vpn open before i clicked the link

[pearl agate]

It’s like it grows exponentially

[rigid glacier]

this is already incredible

[glass valve]

I mean you guys are toxic as hell but it's funny

[pearl agate]

Imagine being a muppet and thinking others are toxic

[glass valve]

kk

[rigid glacier]

it's not toxic when you give me some dogshit theorycrafting that people stopped doing in wotlk

because it's so bad

[pearl agate]

But Torty

Private servers!

Super accurate

[polar vine]

@hybrid bolt i luh you bro. Honestly why i still play feral u da man. Always be my daddy

[rigid glacier]

year 2019 people still simulate in a spreadsheet

[mental crystal]

forbidden dark web private server knowledge

[glass valve]

I mean this guy literally wrote the book on cat dps at this point but sure

[polar vine]

Yeah but what dps

[grand musk]

there's a book?

[glass valve]

spreadsheets don't constitute book?

[wild marlin]

dog if u write a book on dpsing

ur a dumbass

prove me wrong

[grand musk]

no friend

spreadsheets are not a book

lmao

[polar vine]

Imagine writing a book on some bottom tier vanilla dps class

[pearl agate]

That’s cause no one else gives a shit

Because it’s private servers

[glass valve]

yeah that'd be a waste of time lol

[polar vine]

Yeah lol

Wow

[rigid glacier]

every moron can write a book

[polar vine]

You said something smart

[rigid glacier]

people on noxxic write guides

[polar vine]

LOL

[rigid glacier]

AMR writes guides

does not mean they are smart people

[pearl agate]

And wowplus

Wait!

[mental crystal]

wait is that still around

[pearl agate]

Is this the wowplus of WoW

[rigid glacier]

where's the end result in dps in this omega spreadsheet?

[pearl agate]

Private servers =wowplus of classic

[latent wyvern]

but dont you TC using a spreadsheet

[rigid glacier]

yeah healing and it's bad

[latent wyvern]

[rigid glacier]

how is that an argument for using spreadsheet for dps

[grand musk]

the fuck is wowplus

[mental crystal]

a quality meme

that burnt out too soon

[polar vine]

Give me the numbers taladril

[glass valve]

there are 20 hidden sheets for calcs

[polar vine]

What are the numbers

[latent wyvern]

to clarify you guys are arguing over whether a 5cp rip is better or worse than a 5cp bite?

[grand musk]

I'm googling it and getting nothing

[glass valve]

what numbers

[grand musk]

tree fiddy

[polar vine]

THE NUMBERS TALADRIL

[mental crystal]

think its domain got deleted or whatever

the guy running it gave up

iirc

[twin palm]

when was this book written

2006?

[polar vine]

1987

[young latch]

what does having a bunch of hidden sheets prove

[grand musk]

did he pull an olfis and start a rap career?

[mental crystal]

that there's theorycrafting wizardry going on

[pearl agate]

Because hidden sheets are super secret info

Straight from the dark web

[polar vine]

Published by mcgraw-hill

I bet

[pearl agate]

right people who seek out a game on the dark web or whatever you want to call it are definitely the most casual non try hards

[young latch]

no bullshit no toxicity what does this sheets secret sheets prove

[polar vine]

20 hidden documents. Is that dumb?

[rigid glacier]

this spreadsheet is a mess

tell this guy to start using named ranges

=(((0.15*A55+$H$25)*(1+0.03*'Character Simulator'!$B$61)*$G$29*$H$29)+((0.15*A55+$H$25)*(1+0.03*'Character Simulator'!$B$61)*$G$30*$H$30))*$B$23
even I dont do this

[pearl agate]

Do people think feral dps in Vanilla takes 20 hidden sheets?

[glass valve]

well you can make a copy so I'm sure you can update it to be better

[pearl agate]

Just to come to the conclusion they are half a dps?

[rigid glacier]

I just made a copy

[polar vine]

Listen if i could just like, sacrifice a small cambodian child instead of reading that shit for better feral dps, would that work too?

[rigid glacier]

that's where I am posting this from

[stuck locust]

what's a named range

[fiery mantle]

a hunter with a character name @stuck locust

[grand musk]

you set a range