I wanted to, but I played it the first time so would like something different
#classic
pearl agate
torpid inlet
Wait did they say anything about wowtokens? I’d imagine they’re disabled?
dense bronze
Tokens will not be in
torpid inlet
Nice
torpid inlet
Well obviously they’d be less gold if they were implemented but it literally makes the game pay to win
torpid inlet
Ya for sure
serene field
there will be chinese gold sellers
torpid inlet
Although not excited to have to buy mounts and training...
Can’t even get a pvp mount at the start to subsidize the costs a little like I did originally 
pearl agate
Lol
dense bronze
Don't buy every spell at the trainer, vendor everything
don't buy stupid shit you don't need for minor upgrades, don't buy anything from AH at all until you got the mount
save some high level quests for 60 since exp will be converted to gold
torpid inlet
Ya I know now that a bunch of shit is useless like vendor armor
Which I didn’t back then
cold moth
was soul link lock really OP in pvp? like one of the most OP
dense bronze
Can't say I recall them being OP?
noble forge
Tbc
pearl agate
TBC yeah
cold moth
in classic u could sacrifice voidwalker instantly summon felhunter with SL
pearl agate
Yeah wasn’t as broken
cold moth
i remember it being really strong but i never faced super geared peopl;e
pearl agate
It was strong, but I don’t think much if any better than other strong specs
dense bronze
Well TBC locks were broken all over, pve? just spam shadowbolt -> win dps
polar vine
Lock has absolute dog shit or borderline godly since vanilla. The meme has big truth
brittle thistle
Soul link siphon life spec
polar vine
Even in live its relev3
And mop was the best shining example
And that 1 patch in wotlk
deep harbor
polar vine
Rn?
I feel like 1.12 rogue was dumb op 1v1 especially in open world with engi
What was it the boots were like w free reset
cold moth
saw so many duels by a mage wearing only trinkets and a wand vs a rogue in full gear and still winning
then the said mage with full gear being whackjed by enha shaman with trinkets and hand of ragnaros
rock paper scissors mushroom
pearl agate
Naked rogue was also a thing
livid kettle
Do we know if front shredding is a thing on the current classic?
uncut birch
I doubt it, pika was mentioning the backstab frontal wasnt working either
dense bronze
Frontstabbing / frontshredding is not a thing in vanilla/classic
livid kettle
That was only a weird thing on private servers?
dense bronze
Yes
hardy siren
i wonder if they are going to balance classic pvp
the meta is going to be abused to such an extent it seems like they'll have to
but if they do it isn't classic technically speaking, but they have made compromises in other places
polar vine
Just submit to your warrior warlock rogue overlords
uncut birch
m a g e
dense bronze
@hardy siren they haven't made gameplay changes anywhere, only QoL changes that in most cases could have been solved by addons anyway
If they were to balance it wouldn't be classic anymore and the whole thing be pointless
That being said, who knows what will happen after all the phases are over
hardy siren
classic without balance adjustments is going to be really rough unless you're playing inside a clearly defined meta... approaching it with today's tools (like sims) is only going to further the divide between inside and outside meta
dense bronze
Then feel free to play BFA instead 🤷
#nochanges is what people wanted, #nochanges is what they are getting
pearl agate
People just need to understand, this isn’t a remaster or anything. They aren’t changing anything that has any impact on the game at all
They said they even left some of the bugs in the game to keep the experience
royal fossil
at least make resto druids not share hots
pearl agate
Nope. That is a change
noble forge
wasnt that a change made during vanilla?
toxic pendant
Vanila for Druid is like u walking innervate or GTFO
even raid gear for healer
Blizzard like saying you that if u play any other spec than restor you are bad
dense bronze
hots sharing isn't a problem when you are just spamming HTr4 
remote lance
Shorter cast time op
balmy tundra
i mean if you think that all the point of vanilla is hardcore raiding yes 😃
balmy tundra
alright
cold moth
😆
polar vine
Legion mop then wod/wrath are tied for 3rd in terms of fun
cold moth
mop was solid, just a weird time for the game
wrath had a bunch of stuff that was "hey that's neat" but looking back was the start of the downward trends in live
polar vine
I also, only ever kill other playera
Tbh i can't remember the last time i needlessly murdered an innocent npc who was just living their life
pearl agate
0 chance Legion is the best ever
Legion was average at best
It just followed WoD and was before BFA
WoD classes were actually a lot of fun
polar vine
Sounds like a lie but nlok
silk stream
polar vine
Yeah pvp was tight af
And tbh the questing was the best easily imo. Nobody reads that shit so its always glanced over. Im a big fat lore nerd
pearl agate
I liked WoD leveling
polar vine
Tanaan jungle on a pvp realm was the tits
Absolutely bitchin its where i honed my feral dueling skills never forget captain jack
formal iron
wod was the best one by far
dense bronze
🤔
Yea.. WoD was fun... citadel for 13 months
At least you only needed to login for raids because there was absolutely nothing else to do
steel gate
Anyone know anything about Feral on Classic? Hit me up.
Testing some shit on private, Rake doesn't seem to scale with stats at all
dense bronze
Well welcome to feral
rake shouldn't really be used in raids, not worth the debuff slot
and as far as I can recall it doesn't scale at all, like a few other abilities in vanilla
steel gate
Shred spam is the way to go?
pearl agate
Not playing Feral is the way to go tbh
You still used Rip/FB and etc iirc
But I never played Feral back then
dense bronze
Honestly I wouldn't invest a lot of time and effort into aiming to be feral dps in classic right now
It wasn't all that great in vanilla and there was no reason to pick on over for example a rogue (or any other decent dps)
people who play on emulators claim it is viable, but it requires very specific gear and emulators have different implementations than vanilla had, for example front shredding which wasn't a thing and weapon damage enchants working
I would take information gained from emulators with a grain of salt until it can be proved/disproved on classic
pearl agate
That’s the big part too
People don’t get private’s are hand made and NOT completely accurate
Like I’ve seen talk that Feral was highest dps because of the helm and retain gear, which is just 100% false in actual Vanilla
If you want melee you’ll be playing Warrior or Rogue
uncut birch
WoD was the best because shamans had two links 
balmy tundra
but the nice thing about classic ofcourse is being a hybrid is very useful. so even if you are behind on dps, if you play as 'a druid' over just 'a feral' im sure many guilds would be happy to have you 😃
covert rover
Can I report duke for crushing the cat dream?
Dyne *
I’m never going to learn to use this phone
pearl agate
Idk about these guilds
gray widget
There's no "competitive" form of pvp in klassic right?
mental crystal
depends if you count comparing autistic epeen sizes in STV as competitive or not
pearl agate
Lol
gray widget
Hm more like for just playing against another player (whiteout outdoor camping)
mental crystal
there's no arena if that's what you're asking
gray widget
I know it, it's why I ask if there's something different ^^
Like idk bg dueling and dats all?
gray widget
Gonna enjoy that tbh nobody Duel nowadays 
covert rover
Yeah. It was fun really
gray widget
And watch other ppl dueling also good
covert rover
Indeed. Was always possible to do that and people talking etc
Obviously still a lot that would duel you and just leave without a word or talk about bad luck if they lost XD
Nothing has changed in that regard
But overall I enjoyed it there
gray widget
X) "disgusting pve gear"
covert rover
Yep XD
gray widget
covert rover
Tbh there was a bit more respect around having that gear though
covert rover
We’ll see
Still dunno if I wanna play
Enjoyed lock back then
But even the leveling will be hard time wise and I doubt I can be arsed farming 200 shards or day or more
gray widget
From what I hear lock was funny in 1v1 ^^
gray widget
But shards 
covert rover
Yeah
Nobody could win when they had enough gear
Only one other lock on the server could beat me and then our healing priest
Turned into a battle of ages and mana more than anything else
gray widget
Hope the windfury même still here :p
gray widget
Gl
dense bronze
@gray widget PVP ranks
it will be added in phase 2
during phase 2 the only way to rank is to do world pvp, but once phase 3 comes out you will have access to WSG and AV
tacit sedge
When does AB come out, p3 or p4?
dense bronze
phase 4, see pinned messages
gray widget
Thx scary Orca but isn't it the thing that u have to spam bg for?
dense bronze
How is that any different from spamming arena?
gray widget
More ppl :p
dense bronze
Which mean more targets
tacit sedge
There's not really "aff locks" on vanilla, just locks..
dense bronze
Warlocks are mushrooms
solar kite
Good old classic, where blizz expected you to heal lol this will be fun to pvp this time around
gray widget
No voidstone
covert rover
soul link, shadow burn.. good times
polar vine
A warlock auto attacking with melee staff is better dps than feral in vanilla
cold moth
Aye, I remember one odd instance of a warlock meleeing me to death in outdoor pvp, just came out of nowhere and twoshot me while I was kiting mobs on my mage, was sleepy as all hell, grinding for epic mount money, and then a wild mushroom appears and melees me to death
Had some 25% hp left or soemthing, was just a what the hell moment
pearl agate
Lulz
polar vine
Man i remember how many key turners there were too
Thats a flex
Key turn melee warlock main incoming
pearl agate
And clickers
cold moth
HAve to admit that during vanila I was pretty much a keyboard turner
Watching faxmonkey videos made me a much better player and made me see the error of my ways
polar vine
Never clicked
cold moth
Was fun recreating the odd grinds he did, and then noticing there wasn't much to them in the end
polar vine
I use a retinol scanner to activate abilities
cold moth
Once I was grinding for the twilight emisary or what she was called, and ended up freezing the pack in the middle of the road that leads to AQ, and I accidentally froze half an aq20 raid and got a few HK's while lagging like hell
The outdoor lag was such a constant thing that odd stuff emerged a few seconds late all the time
When trying WSG I was trying to cast blizzard over the ally group carrying the flag, and my guildmates laughed in teamspeak that "They are on the other side of the map allready, get a better pc/connection"
cold moth
For some reason eastern kingdoms was just unplayable for me on my first pc
When going for the flightpaths, I /followed a friend of mine, scrolled the camera as close as it could be, and pointed towards the ground
areas surrounding MC were somewhat playable, but STV was just a slideshow
If I turned the camera for a couple secs while following, I would lag so much behind that the follow would break
Fun times
polar vine
Yeah i hated killing the kalphite queen and my mom answered the damn phone 😡😡
cold moth
And redialing while someone was on the phone and hearing their conversation through the comps speaker for some reason
First time that happened was a what the hell moment
polar vine
U gotta lot of what the hell moments
cold moth
My life is a mystery to me
BWL supression room with said toaster and dialup
camera distance 0, look at the floor, whack arcane explosion
honest ridge
I've never played Classic but I've heard that boomkins are terrible. If I was to main boomy would I have issues getting into dungeon groups or raiding guilds?
dense bronze
Let me put it this way: it would be easier to convince someone to take you on as feral dps
noble forge
if you can get into groups/raids will be totally up to that group or guild and what they would want to experiment with
im sure you can clear naxx with it
however
the damage you do as a feral/moonkin (or other non standard dps) will be similar to a full healer dpsing now - you can expect around half of the dps of actual damage dealers
dense bronze
I mean you can technically clear raids with /follow
Some might say its almost as useful as well
noble forge
there is a reason people say stuff like moonkin/feral/ele isnt viable
the difference is a lot larger compared to nowadays
honest ridge
Is there such a build where you burn all your mana as moonkin then switch to feral until your mana is back lol?
Ive heard that boomkins have mana issues
dense bronze
If you want to go down this route I would encourage you to go resto first, then get some gear while raiding and eventually convince your guild to let you experiment with oomkin
Who knows, maybe you will do well enough to convince them to let you roll with it
honest ridge
Yeah I've been a boomy main since MoP so I really want to make it work. I'm more concerned about the acceptance of the community rather than the actual numbers
dense bronze
I think you will struggle to make something happen in classic just because it works in later expansions
noble forge
that will be a problem yes
depends how many people play but as a dps, and as a weak dps it even is hard to find groups now
and discriminating against certain speccs is a lot more reasonable in vanilla
honest ridge
Yeah and since the primary stat isn't dynamic like it is now it will be hard to start as feral then switch to boomy
Is feral tank decent at least
noble forge
no
honest ridge
dense bronze
Oh sweet summer child
tacit tartan
druid = r4ht
noble forge
druids are healers
tacit tartan
or was it rank 3
honest ridge
What are the odds Blizz does some class buffs lol
dense bronze
rank 4
tacit tartan
the entire point of classic is to recreate classic
noble forge
^
tacit tartan
not to make a 'good' game
mental crystal
if they change a single number in classic it's not the same game and the entire experience is ruined 😠
honest ridge
Haha druids being a meme is part of the Classic experience :p
tacit tartan
all classes were meme to some degree
honest ridge
I fully embrace being a meme
tacit tartan
most only had 1 'viable' pve spec
noble forge
ye
tacit tartan
and 1 'viable' pvp spec
noble forge
druid is certaintly not the only class like that
pala/priest/shamans are also only healers
honest ridge
I'm gonna be the best restokin on my server (also the only one)
dense bronze
Its a bit more forgiving in PVP @honest ridge
If that helps
noble forge
honestly
resto kin is probably your best bet
if you wanna do dps
just tell them you will heal
and sneakily dps
no one will see you on the meter anyway 
honest ridge
I'm not a big PvP fan on current WoW but I will def try it out in classic.
Haha yes I will be a "healer"
Thanks for the info everyone.
solar kite
Found this earlier not sure if its accurate. But anyone care to jump into it and verify it?
honest ridge
Lol Balance didn't even make the list
polar vine
I dont think purely balance was super popular in vanilla
pearl agate
Even Feral wasn’t pure
polar vine
And it def wasnt existsnt in pvp iirc
pearl agate
You were offhealing and etc iirc
polar vine
Yeah but feral had alotnof talents you needed to take which also affected bear and everyone needed resto points
pearl agate
But I didn’t see too many tbh
polar vine
Balance was more like, something people did to level as or just for boomkin appearance. Resto wrathing just as good 
pearl agate
Pretty much
hardy siren
is anyone here going to roll druid for classic?
concerned about weak healing output and poor performance in dps specs being an issue
both pvp and pve
young latch
None of the hybrids can dps well in classic it's just a feature of classic not a problem
hardy siren
true, which means we're healing
solar kite
Weak healing output? Hybrid classes were all expected to heal.
hardy siren
but why roll a sub-par healer
figured some in here may be mulling this over as well prepping for classic
solar kite
Well, my druid will be my herbalism/alchemy. And I dont think we are sub-par with healing in classic, at least I didnt notice it
tacit tartan
you'd take one druid for mark at least
hardy siren
^ exactly
tacit tartan
but that's raid too
low steeple
Didn't you want them for innervate too?
hardy siren
and if you are one of those spots, you just wont be competitive compared to priests/pallies as far as healing output and will be relegated to a position buffing people 😦
tacit tartan
outside of 10m br
hardy siren
maybe a feral offtank if you're lucky
which leads to my original question... you dudes sticking with druid or rolling something else?
solar kite
So what that means warriors, rogues, mages, and locks are dps. Druid, shamans, and priests are all heals? Lol
tacit tartan
that's classic
young latch
Best bet if you want something viable and not to aids in the farming bs department play warrior rogue or mage
solar kite
Oops, cant forget them hunters lol
young latch
Or preist heals
brittle thistle
I was a rank 13 feral Druid
hardy siren
i played feral back then as well which really just meant we stole rogue gear and did less damage with it in PVE... PVP felt great as feral but i'm wondering if that was because people didn't know how to handle feral back then or if it actually was strong
solar kite
Wasn't feral pvp, all about maim?
hardy siren
I would dot and kite, rotting them down with feral bleeds and moonfire/swarm + roots
its been so long i hardly remember
hardy siren
and the pve rotation was such a PITA, having to shift out and back in for the energy
not at all feeling that for classic this time around
tacit tartan
well cuz you didn't macro it
hardy siren
true, i definitely couldn't tell you at the time what a macro even was
tacit tartan
you could automate feral rotation gback then
put everything from powershifting to combo point checking all into one marcro
hardy siren
our tier was ass, super ass for feral
all that +spirit lol
i ended up wearing rogue offsets, it was ugly as sin in AQ
guess the answer is roll rogue, but losing out on being able to heal makes you significantly less valuable
rogue/warr/mage is going to be dime a dozen
esp rogue and warrior
pearl agate
Good that you need a dozen for raid
No one cared then if there were a million people playing your class, because you needed them
dense bronze
I mean you could automate a lot of things before they nerfed it
Can't remember when they nerfed it, but it was the same time as the decursive nerf was so just look up forum archives and look for the whining
"what do you mean I can't just spam 1 button to cleanse the whole raid anymore?!"
dense bronze
powershift macros still worked to some extents, but the decursive nerf was during mid(?) vanilla together with the rest of the advanced play logic
like the auto heal macros that always picked the best heal depending on target health
I'm glad they are going with modern restricted macros/addons api
polar vine
Saying no one cares about rogue/warrior/mage in classic is about as far off as you can get
Rotation and gameplay was easy then, current day shitters are going to excel compared to dedicated ( insert irrelevant class) players
glass valve
not really. it's more about how much time you invest into having full consumables. not about how well you can play. you can find lots who can play well but consumables drives the meter toppers
marsh juniper
Yeah Vanilla just doesn't have the complexity in rotations or anything just how much time you have.
polar vine
C tier class isnt farming mats as fast as an a tier class. And boomkin pure from bfa playing boomkin will not touch a rogue
marsh juniper
Boomkin is basically a meme spec in vanilla
polar vine
With all the buffs he can get
glass valve
boomkin isn't optimal but it's not meme levels. but ok
pearl agate
It really was
marsh juniper
I mean it's got no mana
pearl agate
It actually was a meme
polar vine
Boomkin was not a meme then because it didnt exist
glass valve
I know it was a meme. I said is
marsh juniper
Yeah like it does good damage for like 20sec maybe.
pearl agate
That’s why it was called oomkin and not Boomkin
glass valve
that's why you guys are so out of date
marsh juniper
Out of date on what?
pearl agate
Thinking private servers are accurate is out of date
polar vine
glass valve
you know we know how much spells cost and how mana pools work right?
polar vine
Oh nice this should be fun
marsh juniper
Priest dps is probably more meme level then boomkin tho.
pearl agate
Priest and Enh were the lowest
And oomkin and Feral was just above them
Then a big gap
Then everyone else
marsh juniper
Priest literally brought nothing cause you didn't need to invest much to get shadow weaving so better to just heal.
pearl agate
Oh a ret was with the hybrids
polar vine
Ret offhealing BDE
pearl agate
But thinking doing half or a third of a real dps isn’t a meme is in itself a meme
polar vine
What are you even saying @glass valve
marsh juniper
From what I remember locks and healing Paladino arent even that good until like post AQ gear.
glass valve
tfw 80-90% = half
pearl agate
80-90%
polar vine
Locks were good pre aq
pearl agate
Yeah ok bud
polar vine
Very good
marsh juniper
80% would be very generous
glass valve
post logs
pearl agate
Post logs of a 15 year old game?
marsh juniper
Yeah 50% is closer until really late nax when you have larger mana pools.
Like people forget your mana pool scales in classic.
glass valve
yeah you're so sure. I'm sure you can post something
pearl agate
Because I played back then and experienced it?
glass valve
mana pool doesn't scale on anything except more int....
glass valve
I mean a little more. but people stack spell power
glass valve
this is pretty entertaining
pearl agate
Yeah your logic is
marsh juniper
Like that change is probably one of the bigger healer changes they made.
Up there with spirit.
I don't think you need 4 to play a warrior :/
glass valve
what are you talking about healer change?
polar vine
Yeah u have 3 skills 1 yell macro thats 4 buttons
marsh juniper
Mana changes typically are a bigger deal for healers.
glass valve
yeah what mana change?
marsh juniper
The int change.
glass valve
don't think they changed int at all in vanilla
can't think of anything that they changed
polar vine
Are you a PS main?
marsh juniper
I think it was changed going into mop. But could be wrong.
glass valve
I'm a beta vanilla player
marsh juniper
Before that change hwalers always had massive issues with mana early on in expacs
marsh juniper
Mana is literally the reason healing Paladin actually becomes good around max level gear.
glass valve
well you'll have to be more specific cause I don't know what mana issues you're referring to. healers don't really have mana issues with downraking as it is
marsh juniper
Talking about paladin.
glass valve
paladin healing is god mode
pearl agate
Yeah but this is classic
marsh juniper
They arent viable healers on.
pearl agate
So the mana change doesn’t apply
marsh juniper
Not until later they weren't good in bwl and mc.
glass valve
they are good out the door
pearl agate
glass valve
remember that classic has 1.12 talents
glass valve
yeah that was a thing in early vanilla. I remember that too
whole swan
apparently with the way its gonna work ret will be viable will full spellpower gear now or something, havent tried it though just read about it
marsh juniper
I remember them being good in nax or they get CC from crits in vanilla?
noble forge
depends on the definition of viable
glass valve
pally may be able to push their viability if the utilize nightfall
whole swan
i mean
marsh juniper
I didn't even play alliance so I'm prolly wrong.
whole swan
you can clear most shit taking any classes
getting 40 people to constnatly show up is the harder bit
glass valve
try to convince hunters to be a melee class. yeah on paper it works haha
brazen bluff
How effective is Druid in Classic?
whole swan
aint hunters meant to run in and hit the boss in melee between shot timer? or was that just a private server thing
noble forge
and like
whole swan
fine for healing, certain people make bear work
pearl agate
@brazen bluff play Resto
whole swan
cat is "ok" if you farm shit / get geared but you wont ever be near top
boomkin does nothing just goes oom i think
brazen bluff
I was resto and loved it
marsh juniper
Best flag runners :)
glass valve
cat requires extreme work to be high on meters
pearl agate
Oomkin and Feral both weak
whole swan
Feral is mid pack if you farm alot aint it?
pearl agate
Not really
polar vine
Yeah cat requires your entire raid to be mental to top meters
glass valve
it's like a bad rogue generally yeah
noble forge
completly depends what pack is
marsh juniper
It's like half a rogue.
whole swan
well you aint ever gonna beat warriors thats just vanilla
glass valve
it's much more than half
brazen bluff
okay but as a healer its pretty good?
polar vine
?
polar vine
1.12 talents feral was miles behind rogue??
noble forge
@glass valve every stat ive seen its less than half
pearl agate
Yeah it is
noble forge
not more
pearl agate
It does half the dps of any pure
polar vine
30% is like being generous im assuming
pearl agate
Only on private servers it’s decent
brazen bluff
Im getting pumped
pearl agate
Which don’t matter
whole swan
Like
glass valve
well I doubt anyone would take pserver logs at face value so I'm not gonna bother posting anything
polar vine
Private server logs are fucking useless pls dont
pearl agate
That’s because private server logs mean fuck all?
whole swan
Will the helm shapeshifting + gnomeregan weapon work the same on retail?
pearl agate
They aren’t accurate
They have different changes compared to Vanilla
That’s why you can’t go by them
polar vine
Why everyone bringing up p server shit
pearl agate
They think it’s accurate and relevant
whole swan
Cause its the only data people have since actual vanilla
and people tried so many things to make classes work
polar vine
"Data"
glass valve
you guys say "inaccurate" but you don't even know what's accurate or not so it's funny to just say that
pearl agate
When private servers are as much of a meme as Druid dps was
whole swan
theres bugs and shit for sure like stones on weapons and what not
polar vine
Its almost like classic p servers werent 100% exacr
pearl agate
😱
whole swan
Wont matter, you can play what you want to play
polar vine
Yeah
whole swan
most raids wont be warrior/rogue dps only
pearl agate
But my precious private servers
whole swan
they just need active people who show up
pearl agate
Well no
polar vine
You can play anything
whole swan
to fill groups
glass valve
you guys know that the formulas for damage done, armor effect, and spell effect are 100% known from vanilla right?
polar vine
But you wont be viable
pearl agate
And hunter
polar vine
It is
polar vine
^
pearl agate
Just like in Vanilla
whole swan
isnt there vids of a guy in actual vanilla main tanking as bear?
polar vine
Tanking what
glass valve
yeah you can mt stuff if you want to. some bosses it's even optimal
young latch
Probs but that's one guy
young latch
It's not normal or consistently viable enough
pearl agate
But why lol
pearl agate
whole swan
idk what its gonna be like without testing, depends what works on retail client
im sure bears do mega threat though but could just be priv server thing
glass valve
hard to have a conversation with people who are so sure of everything...
polar vine
🤔
"Retail client" meaning the one people have previously experienced yes hard to tell
pearl agate
I mean, come with actual vanilla data and not private servers and you’ll be taken seriously
young latch
Same can be said right back to you @glass valve
glass valve
so formulas from vanilla count right? cause that's like pretty much all the evidence you need. that and a spreadsheet
polar vine
This dude probably assumes classic private servers are a perfecr 1:1 ratio
pearl agate
If only this game could be played only in simulation
polar vine
pearl agate
Wouldn’t even need to log in
whole swan
Shouldnt act as if a new meta / new things can be discovered vanilla was so fucking long ago
polar vine
Uh
glass valve
if we want to talk about threat, it's pretty easy to go into the ktm addon to see how stuff was parsed so we can see the basics of how threat will be on classic just from that
polar vine
Im not sure how to respond to that statement tbh shift
glass valve
so we can see that druid threat will be very good with it
whole swan
I mean instead of "that cant work its a priv server thing"
glass valve
or if you want to read kenco's threat guide from a long time ago
whole swan
some stuff people have found in the years since classic can work and change how it was in actual "vanilla"
glass valve
they have an extra 1.75x threat coefficient that is added to maul and swipe
whole swan
So every single thing people tested on priv servers cannot be used or tested sunshine?
None of it can be tested on actual classic and actually work?
polar vine
What worked?
glass valve
they just don't want to admit the level of similarity. which is fine. we can see how it pans out in classic
polar vine
You can slap my grandma and tell me feral is a tier dps in classic because your p server 1000 iq calculations say so
glass valve
why are ferals inferior in classic? because that's what they used to be is not a valid answer
pearl agate
They weren’t allowed to use all their abilities for one thing
young latch
That's what they used to be is exactly the reason for classics existance
What the fuck
polar vine
speaking of grandma hi dyne
pearl agate
What happens?
whole swan
Like warlock?
wild marlin
feral has never even been good in the history of wow you really think classic is their time to shine or what
pearl agate
Lol
wild marlin
polar vine
LMAO
whole swan
Nobody said feral is top of the damage, i said it can be middle of the pack
polar vine
HIPPO WITH THE UNASHAMED HONESTY
glass valve
don't really care how bad they are these days. heh
whole swan
Your never gonna be a warrior/rogue . If you wanna top meter dont pick feral but doesnt mean you wont get taken cause people claim "you will be bottom"
stuck locust
👏 buff 👏 feral 👏 in 👏 classic 👏
wild marlin
Classic is much different from live, endgame is pretty different and raids arent even hard content and most people are going to focus on things like 5 mans/wpvp, ferals pretty good at wpvp, its ass at farming, no redeeming qualities besides being a cat
having to cheese a blue quest helmet
yeah me too buddy
young latch
Don't forget endless gnomer farming hippo
wild marlin
so the problem with this weapon right
whole swan
The gnomeregan farm isnt even bad though its pretty quick
wild marlin
it has 3 uses
young latch
Just to be like 18th on dmg
wild marlin
i dont know if you know this or not
polar vine
Feral isnt even that bad rn. They are recreating a certain point in the game exactly, so if it sucked then, why would anything change right off the bat?
glass valve
I think people know that
wild marlin
ok so tell me
glass valve
but that weapon makes them competitive
dense bronze
This argument is pointless until raiding starts and people can test the information
Until then all information gained from emulators should be taken with a grain of salt, we don't know how accurate/inaccurate most of it is
Who knows, maybe its useful data, maybe its useless it doesn't really matter until its tested and proven
Right now we just know that some of it is wrong and some of it right, but not enough to make any conclusions
wild marlin
dont even tell me really
glass valve
cause it's moronically strong
glass valve
what's not to get?
glass valve
welcome to vanilla?
pearl agate
Mfw it takes a moronically strong item just to be half another dps
glass valve
there's that half you keep saying
polar vine
Give an ant a flamethrower and its moronically strong compared to other ants
pearl agate
Lol
wild marlin
ok vanilla farming is usually pretty bad such as warlock having to farm a lot of shards to do damage/be useful
pearl agate
Hey ants are strong!!!!
lusty gazelle
Flamethrower ants, yikes
whole swan
the weapon is like 40% drop chance right?
wild marlin
but farming a lvl 30 blue weapon off a boss in gnomregan is in absolutely no way comparitive to soulshard farming
it is infinitley worse
dense bronze
But please go on arguing over pointless things, that will surely lead to great things
lusty gazelle
Seriously though, it’s all about what dynes said
whole swan
or something, and its pretty fast to get there. theres alot worse farms
pearl agate
I’m playing Lock just because I hate myself
lusty gazelle
Let’s check thottbot for the drop rate
glass valve
if you are a caster class you pretty much have to run full supreme power flasks 100% of the time. that's some pricey stuff to do. a gnomer run lots of times makes that a pretty similar comparision
polar vine
Yeah dynes right obviously but thats the less fun route
glass valve
dyne's right but we can definitely say feral is junk in the meantime!
whole swan
I said exactly the same thing yet you dont flame him lul, I said just gotta wait to test things when it comes out 😄
wild marlin
any argument you make about feral being competitive has literally been said 500 times and is still the case in retail
maximizing any parts of your gameplay to be competitive
That's fun for some
but the lengths you have to go in vanilla
lusty gazelle
Afking in vanilla was competitive for raiding back then
whole swan
People will take shit tier classes to raids just to fill the spots, It wont only be certain classes unless your in some speed run guild
they would even take chars not even 60
whole swan
yeah ofc were talking vanilla man
wild marlin
you have to realize the current playerbase
im talking vanilla when server launches
you really think
people wont decline your ass because you're a feral druid
polar vine
"Brd +10 2000 io required must have 7 warrior toons"
whole swan
If your active and play, you will be taken / will be able to find a guild
polar vine
Uh
whole swan
Dont act as if every guild "oh your not warrior, cya mate"
lusty gazelle
Depends on how many people actually play
polar vine
Dude if u log in on a lvl 1 toon you will find a guild
polar vine
People are going to take any class until they realize how easy and efffortless other clases are
whole swan
If someone wants to play like cat or ret or some shit , let them play it no need to act as if they will hit 60 then be frozen out of everything
polar vine
So then you seperate casual and pushing guilds. If you want that sick item on new phase raid release its much more likely to be taken as a very strong class but if you dont it doesnt matter.
glass valve
there's gonna be like more than 2 types of guilds. not just hardcore or casual
whole swan
There will be a few "hardcore guilds" if the private server try hards can get ahead of the curve and level fast MC will probably be down 1st week
wild marlin
If you arent a raiding guild youll just be put into the casual category
thats how that works
young latch
the problem with looking at classic things to, the nature of the way we play wow and consume and share information has so very drasticly changed anything could be crazy different with the meta or it could be exactly the same we dont know till we get in there
polar vine
Must donate 100g privately
wild marlin
welcome to assimilation pardner
young latch
and we cant judge yet what will happen
not 100%
we also cant dismiss the information from the past as false or the information from private servers as fact
whole swan
of course
pearl agate
It will depend on raid timing
But I could see some friends from top guilds quitting live to no life Vanilla for kills
whole swan
i dont think retail raiders will even compete close to the priv server scene who go fully in
Its not like the raids are a challenge like now
pearl agate
I do
polar vine
Lmao
whole swan
Ok, lets compare method vs a top priv server guild. If classic launched tomorrow whos your money on?
glass valve
just gonna say that if you wanna bet on how private servers function vs your memory of vanilla from over a decade ago... lemme just say you probably wanna fudge on the modern meta
polar vine
Method
whole swan
The guys who nerded it for last 9 years surely
young latch
method
polar vine
Literally every dayxof the week
pearl agate
Method
polar vine
They make dollars to play
young latch
not even that
whole swan
So method would know fastest paths to level, pre bis all that shit?
polar vine
Yes
whole swan
And then go into MC and clear it before the guys who know it all
polar vine
Yes
pearl agate
You think they won’t take time to learn it?
Supposedly all the info is out there
Takes hours to learn
young latch
wow is a different beast they still farm just as hard as we used to in vanilla but on live now with a ridiculous amount of complexity added
whole swan
I said if it launches tomorrow, you think they have time to go test the levelling to 60 within 1 day? No
pearl agate
Efficiency is where they win
polar vine
Borderline professional raiders compared to private server players?
pearl agate
Do you not understand that’s why they Re world 1?
glass valve
I doubt method would be world first rag kill. it takes speed leveleers to pull that off. not hardcore raiders
totally different worle
glass valve
you can't learn leveling in a day. leveling itself is multiple days to just do
pearl agate
I can get on YouTube and learn it in hours
The fuck you on about
You learn the initials
Then learn as you go
polar vine
Lmao
young latch
the information right now exists and has existed for so many years
glass valve
holy cow that's hilarious
polar vine
🤔
young latch
what the hell are oyu on about
whole swan
Nexii you on EU?
polar vine
I can google (2004 wow leveling guide) and get perfectly accurate info
glass valve
so you can learn the optimal route to 60 in 24 hours?
you could get joanna's guide yeah
pearl agate
You only have to learn part of it
glass valve
congrats that's one route
young latch
the problem is, making a bet like that, not all of method will join and maby not enough to even raid
pearl agate
Then learn the rest as you are doing it
glass valve
haha
pearl agate
Yeah I don’t think it’ll be a full guild
pearl agate
But pieces of guilds
whole swan
I would seriously bet there is no retail guild, who will clear MC first on release
it will be done by the priv server tryhards 100%
glass valve
^
polar vine
Method will prolly scout and getnsmaller competitors in it tbh
I bet you 2 million bfa gold
glass valve
it takes tons of leveling experience and route optimization to try to push fast leveling times
polar vine
That youre wrong
glass valve
and that is more than just throwing no lifers at the problem
whole swan
This is people who have done the same shit levelled, geared, raided same game for years every week. I dunno how you dont think they have the advantage over guys who didnt
young latch
what does any of this even matter
polar vine
Private server fan bois are just being salty
I still will lay down 2m gold on that bet
young latch
unless @glass valve you are a no lifer p server player then why are you arguing this
polar vine
Thats some money
whole swan
Doesnt really matter latter, im just talking to these for something to do
pearl agate
I think he is
young latch
can i have it sunshine
pearl agate
That’s why
pearl agate
Lol
polar vine
Ur not my daddy
lusty gazelle
Give me it instead
polar vine
whole swan
Im not even a priv server tryhard, i play retail but i just dont see how you beat someone who has practiced same shit for years and literally waited for this
pearl agate
For 2m he can be
young latch
^^
polar vine
P servers arent 1:1 thiguh? Or am i mistaken?
young latch
they arent 1:1
pearl agate
Some are
glass valve
I'm just here to try to impart even a small sense of alternate reality to the current mentality
lusty gazelle
Some try to be
whole swan
even if it was 1: .001
young latch
some are as close as you will get
whole swan
Thats still knowing more then others
polar vine
I thought thy fixed common bugs and added qol shit
whole swan
its still an advantage
pearl agate
They left gameplay bugs
lusty gazelle
Some have done that sunshine
pearl agate
Only fixed things that don’t effect gameplay
lusty gazelle
Not all
young latch
so you are one of those shitters who always argues devils advocate just to throw alt realitys out there for no reason at all ??
whole swan
Polymorphing other guys mobs, that was in vanilla right?
I never played mage ive got no clue
glass valve
nah just trying to get you guys a leg up on how the game is gonna be
whole swan
But they removed that
glass valve
being helpful
rose crown
polar vine
I know how the game is gonna be
pearl agate
But they left in double poly
polar vine
I played it
glass valve
trying to break the old metas that are wrong too
polar vine
Ok
pearl agate
Sodapoppin said so!
whole swan
its not even worth, nobody is gonna get anywhere until it actually comes out. And even then if x meta changed or y did. He still wouldnt accept it
glass valve
you know that the game is gonna feel different than vanilla. the early game is very different with 1.12 talents. mc and bwl will not play like they did unless you only did them late game
whole swan
Can talk about it all we want but we wont know till august+
polar vine
I also played 1.12 in fact i developed a very early chest hair because.of it
twin palm
why talk about it you're all going to quit within a few months anyway
whole swan
ive suffered through bfa this whole time, sure i can manage classic again
pearl agate
I’m quitting live to play Classic
polar vine
I will be in stv all day with focusing crystal mate
pearl agate
Then I’ll just quit WoW
polar vine
Just watch yer friggin back
lusty gazelle
Rofl bfa compared to retail
glass valve
lol
whole swan
i disagree but we will wait and see
pearl agate
Probably
whole swan
ALOT will quit dont get me wrong
alot will hate it, but i think alot will play and even keep switching between during content patches and stuff
glass valve
there's literally more people on classicwow reddit than on wow reddit
twin palm
yeah and htey're going to quit when they play again and realize how shit it is
whole swan
Even a few streamers just playing it, attracts a big crowd
to help them or grief
I mean , imagine not liking something and assuming everyone else wont just because you hate it
pearl agate
Imagine thinking classic wow reddit has more people
polar vine
I love this good, peer to peer conversation
pearl agate
glass valve
I just checked
polar vine
Share the emote pls nex
whole swan
its just a chat, keeping me entertained
glass valve
6,382 vs 5,966
lusty gazelle
Nice
twin palm
people bitch non stop about bfa grind and you think they're going to play classic a ton lul
pearl agate
That is online now
glass valve
wow might have over a mil subscibed but they don't show up anymore
whole swan
its not the "grind" though, i find bfa grind fucking boring
pearl agate
Less than 10%
whole swan
Even if 5% get to 60
glass valve
bfa has the most subs ever! (but only 1% still playing (still counts!))
polar vine
yeah taladril ur math is fucked
polar vine
Ur doing caveman mathematics rn
whole swan
but just to try the game
pearl agate
Tu are stupid if you think BFA has the most subs ever
twin palm
and so many people not playing in a few months
whole swan
Yeah thats true also, but your saying there will be a tiny amount left after time
glass valve
if discord channels had 90% people that haven't logged in in 30 days then the channel does not represent the full number
whole swan
Even as low as 1k you think
polar vine
No one ever said bfa had most subs?
polar vine
Yes
glass valve
my point was sub =/= actual people
polar vine
You
twin palm
1k is hyperbole but yeah player base will shrink to very small
mental crystal
wh
lusty gazelle
Luckily, anc, they’ll probably only need a few people to actually clear raids
mental crystal
you want a small pop?
pearl agate
Judging a games popularity by Reddit online numbers is actually 50iq
whole swan
You can doomsay all you want, but i think theres gonna be more actively playing then you think
polar vine
No not a small pop, but i dont think 1k isnaccurate
glass valve
so the fact that wow reddit has 1M subs but less than 10k actually online is a pointless point? ok
polar vine
A more personal population
glass valve
over 2 orders of magnintude different
twin palm
@lusty gazelle only a few people will be able to cuz everyone is gonna quit before they attune, and the rest will quit before fire res gear, and the rest will quit before consumables/world buffs
pearl agate
I honestly believe within 6months classic pop is 10% of what it was at launch
whole swan
Anc can you pm lottery numbers for next week, good to know you can predict it 😄
pearl agate
No meme
polar vine
The grind is the biggest attraction to classic lmfao
whole swan
yeah of course nexii, how many people do you think will try the game
polar vine
Yeah
whole swan
and make a char
lusty gazelle
Imagine if they added in world quests that could drop fire resist gear from emissary caches
polar vine
Everyone will try it obviously
glass valve
gross
whole swan
Think over a million try it?
pearl agate
I think 1-2mil will try
pearl agate
And overall pop will be below 100k
pearl agate
Including people who swap back and forth
polar vine
And tbh i believe the simplicity will keep more than we expect
whole swan
Thats not "small" for vanilla
polar vine
100k is alot when they are keeping realm list low. Iirc?
whole swan
If servers are full
pearl agate
100k is tiny for vanilla
whole swan
What more does it matter
glass valve
real talk, anyone think classic will be more popular than retail? just curious
whole swan
Like
polar vine
No
whole swan
Nah i dont think its more popular
I think theres people who will play classic when bfa is in a boring time
like downtime
and then switch back when patches and stuff come out
glass valve
ha
polar vine
Im huge
whole swan
Same as classic, i see people stopping during certain times and coming back for different phases
pearl agate
So seriously
How is 100k not tiny for vanilla
When they had like 1.5mil in the first 6 months on release
And like 8mil by the end
whole swan
How can you compare though
active sub doesnt mean someone plays it
back then that was 1.5m subs right?
pearl agate
Think it was like 8.5mil by the dark portal event
whole swan
and 8m subs by end
glass valve
vanilla never was up to 8.5m
I guess right by the end it was 8.5
took a while to get there though
glass valve
whole swan
ill expect huge hype on release, so many people playing and a huge majority of them quitting before getting far
But i dont think it just "dies" like people claim
pearl agate
Back then people didn’t sub and not play
Not in the numbers they do now
It was fresh and they played
polar vine
Its actuslly impressive they climbed without falling during classic
pearl agate
It was a big deal to even get your mom to buy it
glass valve
I don't think there'll only be 100k players considering 100k watched asmon do deadmines. there'll be more players than watchers of a single stream
pearl agate
You are talking about now
polar vine
Asmon viewers
pearl agate
100k aren’t watching him do it 6 months in
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glass valve
I'm not saying I like the guy. I'm saying the dude pulled in 6 figure eyeballs concurrently
pearl agate
Yes
whole swan
Thats the hype though
pearl agate
On the first day of a beta
whole swan
Twitch on release will be mental
pearl agate
Which is the point