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#classic
mental crystal
still reef
Pred/moc or sbt/bt in classic?
merry galleon
51/0/0 or bust
frigid robin
tacit sedge
Specing into hurricane? @merry galleon
mental crystal
imagine anyone playing a druid in classic 
merry galleon
Specing into EVERYTHING
tacit sedge
Which rank?
full hatch
I dont want to be a tauren...
covert rover
for 20-30 times in row
and THEN you got to cast it on the tank
wooooh
many druid happiness
merry galleon
That sounds like
Very intelligent game play
You have to make sure it’s the OPTIMAL healing touch
covert rover
living - it's what vanilla was
merry galleon
Or it’s a waste
covert rover
the description of the game is very rosetinted
tacit sedge
What about that clutch NS max HT when the tank was about to get clobbered on initial pull runback?
covert rover
it DOES have better community on the server than current wow though
which is nice
or.. did
mental crystal
you realise it's gonna be populated with the people crying about vanilla for the last 15 years?
merry galleon
Ofc
I’m not playing day 1 maybe not even week 1
That weeks gunna suck
Imo
At least day 1 glorious server problems
tacit sedge
So true vanilla experience?
dense bronze
My main concern is how Blizzard is going to deal with the servers after the tourists leave
They haven't said anything about how they will approach that
mental crystal
doesnt matter they'll have the money by then 
tacit tartan
did they even release how many 'realms' there will be?
mental crystal
would be comfy if they just went through all the old xpacs
but tbh i already see classic dying after the hype
dense bronze
No, not yet
They have only said something about being restrictive about how many realms they will start
digital spoke
@mental crystal I pay good money to ensure that blizzard can provide us with a flawless launch and proper testing 🙏
covert rover
making sure we get populated servers i guess
mental crystal
?
tacit tartan
figure they'll err on the low side and just aggressively shard during the first few week / starting zones
mental crystal
blizzard make sure to put all their resources into thoroughly optimising their games
look at bfa it's been in beta at least a year and a bit now
it's gonna be great when it hits live
covert rover
i..... urh.. have they said they're going to put sharding in vanilla?
tacit tartan
didn't they say so? at least for early on leveling rush
covert rover
i don't know.. i have to admit i haven't followed this vanilla stuff super much
but i hate sharding.. so i hope not
dense bronze
There will sharding in the early zones at launch Zokis
But only there
covert rover
the thing about walking around in a town.. 3 guildies ungrouped.. staying at same spot with all 4 being in different shards just sucks
stuck locust
Twitter
covert rover
3*
aye
but
that ruins the experience
don't we all remember with fondness how we spent hours getting to kill those 20 mobs with slow spawntimers and 20 people trying to get them?
dense bronze
Having 100 people fighting over the same 3 kobolts ruins the experience even more
covert rover
damn imposter
dense bronze
I'm not worried about it, they have clearly stated it will only be used on launch
covert rover
yeah.. if it's only on launch i guess i'm ok with it
dense bronze
@stuck locust I mean that is basically just a fancy way of saying server sharding 🤷
stuck locust
ye
covert rover
XD
so are you guys going to play it.. faide/dyne
geo is too depressed to ever play it.. lyfe has no interrest in expansions older than him and izem is a sane person
stuck locust
I will probably check it out at launch
covert rover
i'm afraid i will too
mental crystal
nah im playing it
covert rover
but i haven't admitted that to my guildies yet
mental crystal
depends how long friends stick with it tho
covert rover
geo - erhmagadwtf
mental crystal
i know the shitshow i'm getting in for
covert rover
XD
mental crystal
dunno how many others realise how clunky as fuck vanilla will be tho
after a decade of people treating it like it was the best game ever created
frigid robin
Once streamers start showing it off, quite quickly imo
mental crystal
lmao
stuck locust
I can't and won't enjoy it for the same reasons I enjoy playing retail (end game raiding), so I'll probably just play it like a hyper casual
mental crystal
watch me kill the same mob for 2 hours :)
frigid robin
xD
mental crystal
40 man raiding seems absolutely awful tbh
20's already bad enough most of the time
tacit tartan
it's a lot loosely tuned though. or it was
frigid robin
Definitely seems like something to kill time on, not raiding, idk though
tacit tartan
you can have 10 of those 40 afk
digital spoke
1 mechanic bosses 
mental crystal
no that's not true people keep telling me the game was way harder in vanilla :)
and that retail wow is easy mode bosses
:)))
frigid robin
haHAA
stuck locust
yea the amount of tooling around optimization we have now I have no doubt that most if not all classic raids will be a joke for serious raiders
tacit tartan
biggest challenge is gonna be getting to 60 :P
stuck locust
😄
tacit tartan
4-5 days /played to max level.....
frigid robin
Pass
mental crystal
guess it will be nice to have all those rose tinted dipshits put in their place finally though
about vanilla
tacit tartan
i wanna kms when it's 4-5 hours
digital spoke
I wanna kms as soon as I log into a character with the aims of levelling
covert rover
one of my guildies is an absolute diehard rosetinted vanilla fan
he's tbh super good but something in him just believes vanilla was the best thing ever to exist on earth
he will play it
mental crystal
covert rover
i wonder if he actually will like it
he have been screaming about the content being too easy and casual and no effort etc
but for the last few expansions he have bailed out of all effort, grinds etc... XD
mental crystal
it's almost like having an artificial grind isn't difficulty it's just shit design
gloomy yew
i expect many people will go to classic and once the nostalgia wears off they will hate it. I'm gonna give it a whirl but I know it won't be nearly as good as I thought it was when i played
cold moth
Feral was a meme in classic, right?
digital spoke
Everything was
covert rover
it was super skewed
and most had one role
druid was healer
warrior was tank
you could technically do other roles but it was generally very clear cut and a lot of things was broken
hunters and warlocks was gods of soloing
hunters more than locks
locks could easily solo 3 people
rogues and .. fury warriors i think it was could burst you down in a stun lock
unless you had some 5k+ health
i had 8k lelel
fuck them
warlock with t1.. aka.. sharing 30% health with pet <.<
so they couldn't kill me
warlock tanking omgmogmo
and .. no :<
we have moved on.. a lot of happy vanilla players will get butchered by people trying to be high performers and nitpick it all
which we didn't really have in vanilla
we had a new world and people being garbage but relying on each other
so it was all very nice and calm
covert rover
feral
dense bronze
Everything will be 1.12
but with delayed content phases
Phase 1
Molten Core
Onyxia
Maraudon
Phase 1.5
Dire Maul (P2)
Phase 2
Azuregos
Kazzak
Honor System
PvP Rank Rewards
Phase 2.5
Alterac Valley (P3)
Warsong Gulch (P3)
Phase 3
Blackwing Lair
Darkmoon Faire
Darkmoon Faire Decks
Phase 3.5
Arathi Basin (P4)
Battleground weekend (P4)
Phase 4
Zul'Gurub
Green Dragons
Phase 5
AQ War Effort
AQ Raids
Tier 0.5
Loot Revamp
Phase 6
World PvP in Silithus/EPL
Naxxramas
Scourge Invasion
covert rover
oh ye
tiny oriole
raid releases
covert rover
i remember our disc priest
covert rover
or was it holy
fuck if i remember
she played 24/7 for a month
to get blood guard title/rank in pvp
was that vanilla? or tbc.. reee
warsong gulch in phase 3
well.. pvp
pretty much
mental crystal
No dire maul on launch? How tragic
dense bronze
cold moth
Classic omegalul
dense bronze
It looks shit in the pin, but at least the actual message looks proper
well done dynes
mental crystal
Hey mobile client's gotta have something going for it
stuck locust
nice a full height pin
restive grotto
God dyne owns
dense bronze
I changed it to a format more suitable for Discord
tiny oriole
polar vine
Thats a nice pin
tacit sedge
Moonkin Monthly for Classic when?
mental crystal
First one has to be uploaded on a 56 kbit/s dial up connection
dense bronze
We tried, but mom keeps picking up the phone
stable vine
cant relate 
i started playing with legion
torpid inlet
nick would have also been like 3 when classic released 
dense bronze
Layering
Layering is basically just server wide sharding instead of single zone, it will be used at launch and be enabled as long as needed during phase 1 until realm population stabilize
The large benefit of layering over sharding is that you will not see any awkward phasing of characters during zoning like you are used to in retail.
Every character is "stuck" to 1 layer during each game session and can only be sent to another if they are invited to a group that occupies a different layer. You will not transfer back if you leave that group
Layering will only contain characters from your own realm.
frigid robin
torpid inlet
was there any mention about how many realms there will be?
dense bronze
No not yet, however they have said that they want to keep the number as low as possible
Probably one of the hardest things to balance, its not hard to put everyone on the same realm with layering, but what do you then do when its time to disable it and you still have 20k active players?
And if you have too many servers you will have the awkward problem of a few dead realms, of course you can allow them to transfer away in both scenarios but that isn't really a fun experience for those people
pearl agate
Can’t wait
polar vine
@stable vine legion best expac for druids tho good times good times
@dense bronze does that have anything to do with crz and does that mean i wont see random off realmers during my adventures?
dense bronze
"Layering will only contain characters from your own realm."
polar vine
Just making sure
Nice that means they might limit realms and be able to make all of them appear active
dense bronze
Only cross realm that will exist in classic is battlegrounds
polar vine
🙏 that was my #1 hope for classic tbh. Other than sub rogues
wise heart
is feral viable in classic?
wild marlin
short answer no
long answer probably still no
bear feral is ok as an offtank
dps feral is bad
cold moth
resto/feral hybrid with aq gear was a beast in duels atleast
had as much hp as the warrior tanks, didn't run oom anytime soon, and did a wee bit of dps
cold moth
hybrid tax?
wild marlin
you can do all 3 roles so you get to be worse than say a warlock as dps a warrior as tank and a rogue as dps
err
heal priest
yea im speakin words here i think
cold moth
They seem to be mostly legible
gray widget
Is there any même to do in vanilla? Like shaman tank or moonkin unkillable with broken item? X)
vivid pasture
They are apparently letting you play the best version of your class, at least during Vanilla.
So I’d assume so
gray widget
Is ele sham à thing in classic?
pearl agate
The biggest meme in Vanilla is playing any Druid spec but Resto
Shamans were really only there for totems/buffs
gray widget
Perfect durid time 
gray widget
By amazing in pvp u mean swifty one-shot macro?
deep harbor
Not sure what that is but I assume it's elemental mastery chain lightning or something
but yeah they just have insane burst + purge + offhealing
hearty ermine
Im gonna laugh when all those people who claimed they played in classic who then go into the forums and complain that they cant if they aren't warrior or having to have multiple ranks of the same heal on their bars
turbid lynx
Definitely not healing on classic 
graceful minnow
pretty sure theres only one choice
its called warrior
i remeber watching one of those speed clears of bwl
had like 25 warriors
in the raid
dense bronze
Too be fair, its not impossible to run suboptimal specs and there will most likely be room for some of them in some casual raiding guilds that don't care all that much
But it will be unnecessary harder to do
hearty ermine
ah but if theres one thing ive learned over my years of playing wow, if your suboptimal, most of the time you anit getting invited
I played in classic and while I understand the desire of some people to want to go back, it was never the design of the game that kept people playing, it was the bonds of friendship you made, the people you ran with that made classic such a success
dense bronze
Of course not, you would be pretty much locked with the guild that is silly enough to allow you in
In guilds like that it would be hard to expect much progress anyway
but then again, those type of people don't play for progress
hearty ermine
I think the nostalgia pop will die about a month in
dense bronze
No doubt there will be a lot of fall off
How many that will stop and remain is hard to guess, we shall see
I have no doubt that there will be some playing
hearty ermine
oh yeah no doubt
there's a small section of the playerbase who will love the classic servers
youll have people coming into see what the fuss is all about
but i dont expect the classic servers to be constantly full after say a month
dense bronze
Blizzard is aware of the "tourist problem", which is why they have said they want to keep the number of realms low and rather use sharding/layering
hearty ermine
yeah ive no doubt they know whats gonna happen
graceful minnow
Dude imagine being that sub optimal in the current year
like its not the difference
between specs in retail
the difference between warrior and like boomie is massive
dense bronze
It will be interesting to see how many are left after 1-2 months, at current time it is impossible to predict
Maybe there will be a lot more players than expected, or maybe there won't be much more than 1 realm left. Who knows 🤷
dense bronze
Yes...
graceful minnow
are they holding content?
graceful minnow
ahh
dense bronze
After 1 month most players won't even be 60
graceful minnow
i mean for the casuals sure
hearty ermine
the raids will die a lot faster simply because their guides have been detailed to death
graceful minnow
if u have any interest in the version of the game i dont think itll take longer then 1-2 weeks to lvl
dense bronze
Depends how much time you have, a motivated person will be able to do it in 5-6 days played (not talking world first aiming)
with 6 days /played that is 12 days of 12 hours each day
hearty ermine
it will be interesting to see how people in 2019 cope with 2004 game design
hearty ermine
i think that will be a big turn off for a lot
well that and fucking stunlocking rogues 😄
dense bronze
Since launch is so late august it means most people are back at work/school, not possible to push 12 hours each day then
hearty ermine
i can see 8.2 dropping in june because of the classic announcement, they wont drop classic within a month of it
dense bronze
or july
hearty ermine
possibly y
dense bronze
Classic "expert" Nick
stable vine
deep harbor
speaking of 25 man warrior speedruns on private servers, armor values and a lot of other factors are going to be a lot different on classic servers
that's not to say that balance druid will be just as good as a dps warrior but that we really don't know how balance is going to be at this point
(obviously boomkin will be shit 🤣 )
gray widget
Boomer never shit 
hearty ermine
ooooh we have been
dreamy ravine
I have always played resto druid, I truly love it since wrath, I find other healers boring af. But now I'm hesitating if I should roll rdruid in classic. Anyone else in a similar situation? I read they were good but the lack of resurrection is a little meh
tacit sedge
Only class with a true battle rez in classic, soulstones will not work like they do currently live. It's not that big a deal for druids to not have a rez.
dense bronze
Well... Feral/resto hybrid was decent in bg
polar vine
Yeah resto or feral tank hybrids were good but im assuming fuji means "feral" like present day and it was not good
Re leveling through feralas and ungoro is gonna be big emotions ngl
gray widget
I read in forum some hybrid class like ele have mana issue is Dat right? XD
polar vine
My take on the playerbase for classic is the largest group is going to be people who are playing it as a challenge mode, clearing old raids again, or for the first time. I think casual nostalgia players will drop soon after and people who enjoy solo content and slow, thoughtful pacing will remain.
If they keep things somewhat similar, the average player is going to shit when they see rep grinds(if they also keep rep rewards and turn ins similar) but i loved that.
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Rep grind
polar vine
More pally tanks tho 🤢
dense bronze
suboptimal, can it be done? sure.. shaman tank can also be technically be done
is it good? not really
polar vine
Paladins have utility which means you find 5 mans faster and level easier
I wonder if they will remove lfg
hearty ermine
they will
gray widget
Idk what pvpers who gonna play classic and atm complain about pve gear gonna said 
polar vine
Lol
hearty ermine
anyone wanting to pvp in classic will be rogue 😄
unkempt vigil
inb4 joining a bg with 90%rogues on both sides
noone visible until suddenly a flag gets picked
gray widget
Rip
gray widget
What moonkin have funny in classic?
unkempt vigil
but back then spells were not specbound
gray widget
Pogowl
unkempt vigil
although u will have insect cloud
young latch
Druids are off tanks and passable healers with some dps options for both those roles when you aren't specificity doing that role right at that time
young latch
Catto was bad
languid osprey
The tears of those who didnt play vanilla are going to taste so sweet
young latch
With full gear it's still less dps than a rogue by a bunch
languid osprey
"Sorry what? There arent enough quests for me to level for the next 5 levels"
unkempt vigil
oh so only because a spec doesn't do as much as a rogue the spec is bad
that's exactly what is wrong with the community
"outlaw is best spec m+ all the other specs are just bad"
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Warrior full raid Inc
dense bronze
The thing is that the difference between some specs in vanilla was a lot bigger then now
It is really no point at all to bring a feral cat over a rogue if you are somewhat half-serious about raiding
Nobody is going to force you to play something, but don't expect to get groups or raid spots unless you are in a guild that doesn't care
unkempt vigil
i mean there's 40 slots and the bosses don't really have mechanics
okay take away the tank and healing slots
dense bronze
As I said, nobody is forcing you. Feel free to do what you want
unkempt vigil
all i was saying is that feral was not "bad" because the powershifting (with the egar you needed to perform good) was quite powerful
dense bronze
Yea about that gear thing... There isn't really much "good" gear until AQ40/Naxx
hearty ermine
if you plan to play casual play what you like, if you plan to even somewhat srs raid, play the class that was considered the strongest during classic
basically
unkempt vigil
i don't really plan to play classic at all tbh was just replying because not bein optimal doesn't necessarily mean being bad
dense bronze
Well it was bad, at least in comparison to the alternatives in raiding 🤷
pearl agate
It actually was bad
pearl agate
And hindered because debuff limit
hearty ermine
yeah rogue no poisons allowed lol
pearl agate
Yeah, but any guild that lets a Feral dps over a Rogue is a joke lol
pearl agate
If you even took a feral, it was for Innervate, crit buff for Rogue, and off tanking
lost jolt
What if I want to be a feral tank
@pearl agate
I’m going to name my character guardian Druid
torpid inlet
Mage sounds like a good choice actually, probably the least amount of bs stuff to do. Just gotta have reagents for portals and tp
And making everyone food I guess
unkempt vigil
didn't they announce that the debuff limit will not apply?
pearl agate
I didn’t see that, I saw them say they would be going with the higher
dense bronze
It will be 16 debuff limit
Which was what it was at from the middle of vanilla to the end
unkempt vigil
oh i might be wrong then i saw a video on classic servers and i thought he said they will not go back to apply a debuff limit
dense bronze
They specifically said they would put the debuff limit back in, this was something they said all the way back in blizzcon
Without the limit it wouldn't be vanilla
pearl agate
Pretty much
noble forge
@unkempt vigil I'd compare a feral dps in vanilla to resto dps right now
like sure you do some dmg
but may aswell bring an actual dps
pearl agate
Iirc the only dps lower than feral was Ret and Enhance
noble forge
ive seen some stats from a private server a while ago like naxx geared ferals did the dmg of bis pre MC geared warriors
or something absurd like that
pearl agate
But they have said that if it’s anything to do with gameplay it will be authentic
Yeah I saw that too, with that helm
noble forge
and feral compared to enh or ret has an even bigger disadvantage
you cant use that 2 handed axe
what ever it was called the 15(?) % spelldamage one
cold moth
That debuff slot swing is a big one, leave it in, a lot of the specs become a lot less useful and you force people to not use their spells in raids
Take it out and overall dps grows even bigger and the content trivializes more
cold moth
Would be lovely if you could play say warlock to the fullest, but that would make everything so much easier that you wouldn't have any inkling of the old playing experience
pearl agate
Warlock was one of the specs that you could fully play, or at least close
dense bronze
Warlocks biggest problem was threat, not debuffs
pearl agate
Yeah
cold moth
Still had to drop some dots out of your cycle
pearl agate
And was still top DPS
cold moth
Threat was hideously bad for many specs
karmic juniper
i'm going to be the greatest druid player to ever walk the earth dyne
cold moth
People gave flasks for my mage when we were going for nefarian, I told them I didn't need buffs, I needed better offtanks
Had to just stand there and wait for threat, people told me to wand for mana, I had full mana, and wand damage had no threat reduction
Odd how something so boring was something so fun and exciting then
covert rover
omen.. the old meter to follow
vital pewter
What’s the debuff limit? (I didn’t play Vanilla). Mark of the Wild and back to playing with an actual talent tree
Kind of afraid to go in there lol
pearl agate
16
polar vine
Feral was absolutely garb
It was garb in BC too but a little more fluid and fun to play.
Strictly cat feral was possibly the worst leveling experience of my entire wow playtime because all the cool utility does nothing important while questing and you were subpar at 60
remote lance
Is this the old men channel
polar vine
Yeah thats why dynes active here
uncut birch
Shred bugging was really hard to do
and cat was just bad
bear couldnt get enough def
noble forge
well
there is no bloodlust
but yes that actually was a thing
kindof
on C'thun
but not sure if its fixed
pearl agate
@vital pewter people actually used that for some debuffs. So if you have 16 and get a new one it pushes the oldest one off
So like, one fight there was a debuff you could cheese with a pet
Cause the pet gave you one and it would drop off the debuff from the boss
vital pewter
O.o
pearl agate
So you can still get debuffs, it just drops off others
Priest Mind Vision is another, have a group of them all Mind Vision a tank that got a debuff to push it off
noble forge
@pearl agate ye C'thun 😄
pearl agate
EZ game lol
lost jolt
@pearl agate you laugh at me now but wait until I tank every boss as guardian Druid
pearl agate
Tbh probably could with knowledge now
remote lance
"Guardian druid"
lost jolt
@remote lance lul characters name is going to be guardian Druid
remote lance
Tricky
lost jolt
This way no one can correct me when I say I’m playing guardian druid 
young latch
What if I take that name 1st @lost jolt
lost jolt
@young latch you going to get on every server?
remote lance
We can make it a group effort
lost jolt
Toxic
tulip wolf
#lifegoals
coarse haven
i have no goals
polar vine
Lmaoooooooo
rain blade
it's so wierd to me thinking about how classic won't recapture the vanilla druid experience with 1.12
but at the same it'll be nice to have balance actually not be completely terrible at launch?
innervate and hurricane both baseline
covert rover
lyfe - huh.. pretty sure you wanna be able to push and pull a shaker properly
weak sentinel
they'll keep 1.12 balance of the game
silent otter
Anyone here get into beta?
remote lance
Notion of beta for a 15 year old game is still amusing to me
cold moth
@remote lance I mean it seems pretty sound logic considering they don't have an exact replica of the systems they used at the time, and have to adapt to any internal future plans they want to do with the game.
Contextually, it's a nice joke though.
remote lance
I know why. It's still funny sounding
tacit sedge
@silent otter why is there something new with the beta
silent otter
@tacit sedge just that it’s released! Was seeing if anyone’s account got flagged. A solid amount of random accounts got it
tacit sedge
Yea, but is there anything NEW to it? 🤔
pearl agate
It’s Classic, why would there be
dense bronze
Luckily nobody is forcing anyone to play it
If you aren't interested simply don't play 🤷
polar vine
Imagine asking if there will be new content in a game based on the game youre playing from 15 years ago 🙇♂️🙇♂️
dense bronze
Imagine not being toxic towards everyone and everything 🤷
polar vine
My answer was not toxic it was actually quite accurate the leveling speed will be slower, and technically new 😘
dense bronze
Technically it is old
polar vine
Wouldnt it depend on whether or not they experienced it, but to the game yes it is old im sorry i concede u r right
celest rampart
@polar vine Your old game remake is a bit odd cause every time Square Enix remakes FFX and FFX2 they add new stuff.
polar vine
I remember the blizzcon announcement tho
They arent adding classic with classic only QOL features and tidbits
At least, during the initial planned rollout. Which i also stated what i think will happen after that.
Ff is also not comparable to wow at all
zinc fiber
is there qol or not ?
rotund drum
oh boy
wild marlin
ahaha
faint warren
this will be the reason the raids get stomped ofc
tulip wolf
What?! Easy content will be cleared easily?
zinc shale
Are people seriously thinking to tank with bear druid in classic
I remember people use to mock about this and make every druid go resto just for the healing touch and ineverate
faint warren
why not, ive heard theyre not bad for dungeons and i dont know how much time im gonna give to raiding, while still playing live
zinc shale
It's hard
The cenarion gear, storm rage and all the other gears won't benefit feral
Also the gear set bonus is mostly heals
The only set which is decent enough for feral but I would say it's a risk would the aq set you get from tokens since it had str and agi
faint warren
watching asmongold play warrior yesterday was putting me to sleep, if i was gonna switch to classic then id probably go warrior but i think ill have more fun with druid
zinc shale
I'm contemplating doing a druid since my favourite classic druid icon at that time was azgaz
But I'm not sure if the 1-25-24 combo would be effective
faint warren
can you link it?
just looking at resto and im not sure what else id want beyond at most insect swarm
zinc shale
Ummm wait I'll see
covert rover
it's vanilla.. not something you're going to play hardcore
you just play what you think is fun
pearl agate
Mage Or Lock for me
covert rover
clearly feral druid for me
tbh i doubt i get time ti play it
played warlock back then. .was pretty imbalanced
zinc shale
Here
The build im going
Warlocks are the sad class if they are raiding since I would be the soul shard debuff guy for the mages
Curse of elements
Remember that shit
covert rover
yeah
the different curses
banish/fear of mobs.. i remember that being a big deal
never minded the cursing
was just a thing like the rest to keep up
having to stock 50 shards in your bags was less fun
to give everybody in the raid a health stone
zinc shale
Lmaooo
And farm that shit again
And more farm
And the build most warlocks would be going the halfway through affli to get dark pact
For mana
covert rover
yeah
zinc shale
Sacrifice that succu
covert rover
just needed to spend a shard for it .. <.<
zinc shale
And booooommm those shadow bolts hit like a truck
zinc shale
It was also boring
covert rover
not saccing it and spamming shadow bolts
zinc shale
That is why I can't make up my mind
I know most people would be running hunter, warrior, rogue and shaman
covert rover
prolly warlock too. .it was great at soloing and world pvp with fear
but yeah. .if i play it i just think i lvl a feral up because i have zero intent of playing it seriously
and that will ensure nobody will ask for me
indigo crypt
Everyone is super nice so far in Classic. Its actually kind of weird.
steep jewel
was there a buff limit like the debuff limit?
magic tendon
yeah
sullen hare
@royal fossil I thought resto was the only druid spec in vanilla
lost jolt
I am a guardian Druid
frigid robin
a what
rose lotus
Anyone tried if Side Shredding works?
dense bronze
It doesn't
If you refer to side strafing tactic with shred and backstab used on private servers that is, this have never been possible in vanilla
rose lotus
Yeah i was just curious 😛
mental crystal
@wild marlin two people's pfps you copied now smh
dense bronze
There is something similar: https://www.twitch.tv/perplexitycya/clip/BlushingAbnegateMetalANELE
But that is more a hitbox bug and not something that is easy to use
young latch
Not being able to change forms cause I ran out of mana will feel so strange
torpid inlet
There’s a talent to help that 😃
deep harbor
turbid gyro
best class t play for classic?
mental crystal
tinker
pearl agate
Not Druid
cursive depot
dam some of yall got classic beta ?
potent shard
how will druids tanks be on release of classic , are they viable or not
silk stream
They are fine
bleak cedar
If you want to work harder for less effect, then they are "fine"
silk stream
why play any spec thats not top dps fotm right now?
not everybody cares about min maxing verything
bear tanks can tank all raid and dungeons encounters without much problem
only a couple of specific fights are warrior only
guess nobody is allowed to play hunter, spriest, shaman, ret pally, arm warrior or feral druid cuz fury warrior, rogue mages and warlock do more dps.
rocky copper
classic sux
mental crystal
wild that the people looking forward to classic "for the experience" are the ones most likely to promote fotm chimping too 🐒
polar vine
The experience was pretty much "these classes suck we dont want them"
Ngl warlocks and hunters were master gatherers though for monies
dense bronze
Guess I'll repeat myself: nobody is going to force you to play something, but don't expect to get groups or raid spots unless you are in a guild that doesn't care
If you go down the route of picking a suboptimal spec you should expect some doors to be closed and you will have to work so much harder to prove your own worth
silk stream
i mean the same could be said about retail
"GL getting in a raid or group if you are playing feral or guardian"
"+6 atal, need 2 outlaw rogue+monk dps"
polar vine
What u saying about ferals m8 
dense bronze
Not really comparable, the differences between specs today vs vanilla is quite huge
Got to remember the debuff limit as well, wasting precious debuff slots on the wrong spec isn't all that smart
gleaming sphinx
People complaining about dps difference between specs today have no idea of what it was during vanilla
young latch
On live tho you can and will get a raid spot in a decent guild as any spec
Classic not so much
silk stream
unless you are pushing world first or something it doesnt matter than much, sure i wouldnt want 20 feral dps in my raid but 1 or 2 wont hurt in a 40 man raid. Most people perception of vanilla comes from when they played 14 years ago and everybody was bad. Vanilla raid mechanics are going to be a joke for current players.
polar vine
The raid mechanics were not the hard part
pearl agate
Imagine thinking feral tank was fine in classic 
It’s fine if you don’t care about performance sure
covert rover
it was a new game and people had no clue how to play
silk stream
have you actually tanked as feral in classic? or even seen a feral tank a raid? sure the MT should be a warrior but feral is an aamazing OT and completely viable
covert rover
so a feral that tried to play properly did fine
but not really something you wanna try to play hardcore with
silk stream
again, nobody is talking about the top 1% guild psuhing for WF, almost nothing is viable there same as retail
if you just want to clear raids with your more casual guild, dps feral or OT feral is completely viable and adequate
you are part of the same problem as people asking for MDI comps for their +10
pearl agate
People have a right to not take subpar specs into their groups though
Every class is viable for all content, but that doesn’t mean I have to be the one to take you
silk stream
yeah you def try to copy MDI comps for your +10s
look if you are in an hardcore guild thats completely fine
pearl agate
Considering I play Guardian, no I don’t copy MDI comps lol
silk stream
my problem is at any level below that idiots try to copy WF guilds like it amkes any difference at their level
like ive seen heroic pugs trying to stack warlocks for uunat
its sad
pearl agate
Retail is not classic, and dps was a lot different back then
Specs did literally double the dps of other specs
covert rover
yeah.. was slightly less balanced back then
silk stream
yes but again that only makes a difference in hardcore guilds
covert rover
and yeah.. people insisting on fotm from world first/mdi and so on is just tilting
pearl agate
Idk I think insisting you get carried doing half the dps of other people is just as toxic
You’ll be able to find groups, but you also shouldn’t expect it to be easy
covert rover
i mean. .evne on live i do far more dps than most whenever i play
doesn't matter if my spec sucks and theirs is fotm
you really have to be hardcore before people start not being utter shit
polar vine
Doing damage doesnt onky make a difference in hardcore guilds
covert rover
polar vine
Contrary to popular belief, all levels of difficulty require damage to be done in certain amounts within a certain time period
covert rover
could i do more with fotm and bothering to tryhard as much with that? defo.. but since i carry my weight compared to all the others i have no issue with where i stand
pearl agate
No but outside crit buff for real dps specs and innervate why else take a feral?
covert rover
that's where gear and nerfs comes into play
polar vine
If you bring too many shitters who half ass their already gimped comp, you wont be a raiding guild for long
covert rover
if i top meters i'm not going to change to a fotm spec to carry you even harder
i'm just going to have fun
polar vine
Casual raiding guilds barely existed in wotlk because either you push content or people will go to another guild that does . There are shitter guilds and non shitter guilds
placid jackal
Casual raiding existed in Wrath....depends on your definitions of casual and hardcore.
polar vine
I didnt say it didnt
covert rover
barely
placid jackal
barely is essentially say didn't. Barely is only looking at your small data pool from personal experience
covert rover
this is anyway a worthless discussion
i'm going to watch cats on the internet instead
polar vine
covert rover
feral cats preferbly
silk stream
yeah, everybody thats not in a CE guild is trash and shoudlnt play wow.
polar vine
Thats not what i said
Lol
You either push current content or dont. And with classic raids being more difficult and gearing being much less streamlined, bringing a less optimal class is much more hindering than it is in current wow.
covert rover
classic raids wasn't difficult though
any lfr hero can do them now
oh ye i can't say that word anymore
utter .. urh.. useless players cleared the raid
gearing was less streamlined indeed
but the rest is wrong
we cleared it np with a feral cat even back then
we had fun but man people were bad
the mage that insisted to wipe us several times each night because he couldn't watch omen and such
the coordiniation people have now is far higher
trying to make a raid kill 5 targets at the same time was a bi deal
now you can make a lfr group do it in first try
unsure you actually played it if you believe the raids were difficult
silk stream
"classic raids being more difficult" hahahahah
the only difficult part in getting 40 monkeys to show up.
polar vine
I was not good when i played classic
Except you can say the same thing now
"Man people are bad"
Either way people will still do what they do now and prefer one over another 🤷♂️
silk stream
no you can actually look at mechanics and encounters compared to what we have now in mythic raids and its not even close
vanilla raids are wayy easier
dense bronze
If you only look at mechanics as standalone you are completely right
Not going to devolve into arguing what is hardest as its absolutely pointless but you should consider a bit more variables than just pure mechanics if you are going to have this discussion
placid jackal
If it's only difficult to get the monkeys to show up then get those world first classic kills. There's more than showing up. You still need people to show up in BfA. But pointless to argue with a very dense person.
uncut birch
vanilla toons were more like a rusty knife trying to cut through cheap pine
yes the pine is soft and shitty, but the tool you're using is worse
polar vine
Current mechanics are harder but we also have a literal library of addons to make them a non issue. We have companies who churn out wow content with information and video guides for every level of difficulty. Will classic raids be the same difficulty that they originally were? Probably not. You also wont be going to into MC with overleveled gear unless they change something. The reason i recall classic being difficult other than my mental limitations was people were not fully purple'd out lmao.
pearl agate
MC will be cleared within a week, pretty easily
polar vine
So you wont be gearing through MC
silk stream
im not saying it wasnt difficult back then, it was cuz everybody sucked. its going to be way easier now with a millions BiS pre-raid gear list and people actually being able to play the game. not counting the million add on and guides we have now. biggest challenge is going to be the time investement to gear up.
pearl agate
You only have MC and Onyxia on release
polar vine
Yeah
Maybe im not thinking about it properly
Just cant imagine how non BE guilds will steamroll it with bis when they havent looted bis and when it drops it, it only drops 1. Unless they are adding personal loot.
pearl agate
Tbf they won’t need bis to steamroll it
A lot of these guilds have done the same fights for literally 10 years
What people thought we needed back then to get kills they don’t need now
noble forge
to have a more fun thing
guilds requiring people to have flasks
will be a good meme
latent wyvern
in classic people played on 4:3 monitors. people will have a huge advantage going back there with 16:9 or 16:10 aspect ratios
pearl agate
I’m just excited to dps
polar vine
Im just excited to play rogue
pearl agate
I’ve never been able to get into rogue
But I was a Mage back then so prolly mage again
Or Lock
polar vine
Im just gushing over all the griefing im going to do
Im going to specifically target male night elves
Which should be found in rather large quantities, they are a very widespread species
pearl agate
Haha they will rage so hard
silk stream
Feral Druid 4 life
But really the biggest roadblock to content in classic is gonna be time investment.
pearl agate
I’m debating quitting live to play Classic
cold moth
Hardest boss in classic will for the most part be the roster boss
pearl agate
Depends what happens in 8.2
cold moth
Having a hell of a bad time trying to get 20 people to show up for mythic, now double that for a game we finished 15 years ago and many have been playing on private servers for years
After the initial hype, it will be a pugfest
Will most probably be a pugfest from the start
dense bronze
We'll see
cold moth
Oh well, I'll have fun running dm north... scratch that, two additions later I suppose
Blackrock depths is where it's at
Hail to the king, baby
A big chunk of my fond vanilla memories come from those lazy two hour brds
dense bronze
I just have traumatic glimpses of aq40 corpse runs
latent wyvern
🚓 🚔
latent wyvern
polar vine
I think the big 40 mans was a huge draw to be honest. And people are definitely hyping going to back to community like guilds which will only help
Like dyne said we can only wait and see if the hype fizzles out. But i know having a larrge active guild makes every aspect easier and people will definitely notice that eventually
But toxic assholes like me, we stay guildless, we stay drunk, and we stay stealthed in that bush over there while u wittle our quest mob down for us
silk stream
I miss ZG/AQ20
It may or may not be because that's the pinnacle of feral vanilla gearing.
dense bronze
You miss AQ20? 
potent shard
i think if this classic thing takes off we will get other expansions
i see blizzard wanting to resale us on old xpacs
how did shamans fair in classic
trying to decide on a class for beta time
dense bronze
If the community wants it they said they were willing to think about more classic content as well
And obivously newer expansions is on the table.
It all depends how well classic will do
potent shard
i think bfa is bad cause they ran outta good ideas
dense bronze
From what I recall shaman wasn't in the best of spots when it came to raiding, mainly there for totems (as resto). But they had a talent revamp fairly late in vanilla, can't recall if that improved life a lot
Outside of raiding they did decently
But my memory is some what spotty as I spent most of my time on the other faction
pearl agate
Yeah was only a totem bitch
silk stream
Ench is trash outside of windfury totem
Ench is the lowest PvE dps by far
Elle is mediocre dps
Idk bout resto
pearl agate
Yeah enhance was actually unplayable
dense bronze
Do keep in mind that any information that is obtained from emulators can't be translated 100% to classic. There is a lot wrong on those that impacted class performance
Best to mostly ignore that kind of sources until it can be tested up against classic
silk stream
Yes that too
pearl agate
Yeah but Enhance was actually bad in Vanilla lol
polar vine
@dense bronze wasnt the talent revamp 1.12
dense bronze
1.11 or 1.12 something like that
polar vine
Was the big rogue buff i thought and classes like druid/priest had a big makeover
polar vine
I also agree they will add classic only content if it goes well. Osrs was a huge lesson in video games in my humble reyarded opinion
dense bronze
rogue was 1.12
polar vine
Yeah I don't remember other classes individually only played rogue and cat then
Played them very
poorly
@potent shard bfa is bad because legion was the best expansion ever and its hard to follow that up 😤 😤
potent shard
what i dont understand
is why do they feel like they need to reinvite the wheel entirely every xpac
silk stream
Because they dumb
dense bronze
Well if classic is successful we could end up with the best of both worlds
New expansions for those that want that, and more content for classic for those who want that instead
potent shard
blizzard is such an old game
potent shard
i think theres an appeal for new players with being able to start with classic
polar vine
We will see
potent shard
i got beta invite day after i canceled
talking in barrens chat like 3/4ths had same exp
polar vine
We have been extremely blessed by non issue rep grinds and not investing time to gear/level/see new things
I mean
What is attunement
#barrenschat
Can that be a channel pls
polar vine
Yeah i barely leave my house buddy you think ill join another discord? 
pearl agate
I hope they don’t do expansions
I just wanna see progressive servers to current expansions
polar vine
You wanna.....replay wow?
Or do mean individual servers for each expansion cus thats actually tight af
silk stream
i wouldnt mind new totally new expantions for classic
keep the same style, we stay nameless adventurers etc.
fuck being a horde leader abd an archdruid
i wanna fight bandits and quillboars
polar vine
Being able to consistently and easily switch between expacs would be cool. Clear different stuff different days and enjoy all ages of pvp
Going from mop pvp to bc pvp depending on mood would be an actual dream come true
karmic juniper
dyne will you play vanilla with me 
tacit tartan
xgoosykillerx
pearl agate
@polar vine yeah, but one time change only
Like my vanilla toon, I can move him to BC on release if I want, but then have to make another vanilla toon and can’t go back
pearl agate
Lol
lone vigil
hmm, the whole powershifting thing I see in old posts, that doesn't work in 1.12 does it?
silk stream
It does, I'm pretty sure. Both furor and energy helm were in game by then.
lone vigil
I just thought I read something about that helm stacking being nerfed in 1.8 or something
silk stream
It wasn't needed at all in vanilla the powerdhifting helm was bis for feral until like serpentshrine in TBC
It wasn't nerfed***
lone vigil
ah
pearl agate
That helm is basically the only thing that made feral
cold moth
We had a shaman who played enha/resto hybrid in Vanilla, would've wanted to go full enha but was forced to heal on most bosses
Ended up doing pretty good dam on the bosses he could dps on
Mostly had aggro issues
cold moth
Probably
I had to just stop casting on my mage and wait for threat a lot on some bosses
pearl agate
Yeah I remember those days lol
cold moth
While most people kept whacking away happily
Good thing in that was not having to go for fire in aq40
Still spamming them frostbolts when TBC hit
Our guild really wasn't going for Naxx
Spammed mc and aq20/zg till about 10 guys joined from a dead bwl clearing guild and went for bwl and a bit of aq40 about the time of the naxx event
rotund forge
Damn @potent shard if you aint said the truest shit earlier about the "new coke" IDK who did
dense bronze
@pearl agate If they do they will most likely do it on fresh realms seperated from the classic realms
Meaning you have to start over.
That is at least my theory
pearl agate
Yes
I don’t know if you’ll have to start over though. I could see them allowing a one time only move
dense bronze
Maybe, but that would cause mentioned problems
pearl agate
Being able to progress your character?
I think if you had to restart a character every time they wanted to release a classic expansion that would be DOA
dense bronze
Depends how you view it 🤷
pearl agate
That is true
I know me personally if I had to I wouldn’t go through it. I’m sure some people would.
remote lance
tank threat is pretty annoying until you get thunderfury
tank swap is even funnier when you have one tank with one and the other without
silk stream
Tank threat isn't a problem if you are a feral tank 👌
pearl agate
Yeah cause dead tanks can’t have threat
wild marlin
Nihiliothebear takes 0 dam in this blackfathom deeps i watched
he was also ripping fat fucking vapes the entire time so he's good in my book
silk stream
Is prot pally the most useless spec in all of vanilla?
kind lotus
no
polar vine
@pearl agate i meant like having multiple chatacters on multiple expac realms. Would be sweet
kind lotus
well
polar vine
Prot pally was decent i thought? Toward the end of vanilla they were popular if im remembered correctly
pearl agate
I don’t think they’d allow copying, just xfer if anything
kind lotus
prot wasnt too bad, but warriors just overshadowed them
pearl agate
Prot could do dungeons and etc
kind lotus
<@&114146878353833984> can you fix the bot pls
pearl agate
No
kind lotus
i simply called paladins by their nickname
pearl agate
You said the r word
kind lotus
pearl agate
No need to ping all the mods either
polar vine
polar vine
At least 10 times per day
coarse haven
That's not something you need to ping mods for.
coarse haven
It should be fairly obvious as to why that was wardened
polar vine
Its almost poetic how whenever life enters a conversation, it dies. 
coarse haven
Happy to know I stop stupid conversations 👍
polar vine
Thats why youre my 8th favorite druid discord member 😘
coarse haven
#7 better watch out
silk stream
Didn't prot pally not have a taunt until TBC?
polar vine
Yeah but they had stupid threat until end of vanilla changes i think
And they had the reckoning bug for a bit
Lul
remote lance
yeah, but Growl isn't exactly a taunt either
i didn't play prot paladin in vanilla, but i think if you did you had to spec 0/30/21 to get reckoning?
or whatever deep into retribution that got them reckoning, i don't remember if it was a 5 point or 1 point talent. Think it was 5
remote lance
reckoning was prot, 21 was for sanctity
they spread out the talents because of reasons unintended or not
i didn't mind it to an extend. It's funny that you needed a ret paladin to spec into Kings (this was before talent revamp so probably wouldn't be reflected in classic)
and that ret paladin that's 31 points into ret probably still healed better than your other healers, at least for ST
polar vine
Warrior self healing best healer 
noble forge
people talking about prot pala
you lot
forgot that pala literally had no taunt?
like
thats a fairly big deal
polar vine
They nerfed their threat
And then it was a big big deal
They were good 5 man tanks butncouldnt swap in raids
noble forge
people did 5 mans with shadow tank
cold moth
2 frostmages 2 warlocks 1 shadowpriest was our regular dm east farm group at one point
last boss hurt a bit
aerm, actually, the priest was holy/disc, not shadow
enh shaman tanked some 5 mans with hand of ragnaros and warlord gear, fun times
swapped to 1h + shield for harder parts
steady bone
Good times where shamans actually had high aggro with earth weapon
Stonebite wasn't it?
carmine dragon
^ Rockbiter weapon. 😃
cold moth
and earthshock had high threat
potent shard
when did shockadins start i loved that
remote lance
Wrath I think
tacit tartan
it was there in BC
cuz you could get holy shock + sanc aura, which iirc you couldn't in vanilla
noble forge
vanilla
there are videos
wont be too easy to convince your casters that you should get the gear tho
tacit tartan
was it a thing outside of pvp back then?
noble forge
no
balmy tundra
Hi, I'm planning to play feral (as an OT/healer hybrid) and was wondering just HOW important farming MCP is towards optimal play... anyone know?
noble forge
it was but I think +heal always had +spell on it? not as much as the healing
may be wrong tho
tacit tartan
oh maybe
silk stream
@balmy tundra nothing comes close to MCP as far as threat generation and dps goes. If you wanna be fully optimal be ready to farm
balmy tundra
@silk stream really nothing comes close? what is the numerical difference between MCP and w/e is second best?
noble forge
is that one of those procc items?
from what ive heard a lot of them had.. questionable procc chances
remote lance
nah, +healing and spell were split in BC still iirc
spell gave bonus to healing but not the other way
royal fossil
ye
cold moth
That rfk weapon was stupid aoe dps on enha atleast on nefarian adds in the beginning, friend did dps on those then healed when nefarian landed, and was still pretty high when boss died
noble forge
im sure they can all get into one group to farm it
barren plover
pearl spoke
brittle thistle
I’m gonna be a balance Druid and roll on all the cloth gear
cold moth
was warlock the best class for pvp in classic?
ripe maple
Mage/Rogue/Warrior were best
silver vine
dense bronze
If you want safe pure dps go mage or rogue
For healer holy priest
Good safe boring choices
pearl agate
Warrior, Mage, Rogue, Hunter, Warlock were all good
I’ll be playing Warlock because the class quests were pretty great
dense bronze
Warrior: no you can't dps, go prot
Hunter: LF2M UBRS NO HUNTERS
Warlock: I've farmed 100 shards today and its still not enough
pearl agate
True story