lately he's been muted at the beginning of his stream
#pvp
open verge
he's conviced kyrian is bis?
dire nymph
you have massive bites every 1min and the most reliable defensive of any covenant
open verge
yeah
dire nymph
oh yeah i don't play boomy but it's probably bis for them too
1min cd for 15% increased damage is nuts man
upper grove
is soulbind calculator wrong :?
dire nymph
you can use it two different ways
open verge
you bind with yourself in pvp
upper grove
and if i give it to my partner
dire nymph
they can be cc'd
upper grove
so can i
open verge
but also it is iffy
dire nymph
yea
upper grove
i mean
lime light
+TF lego
upper grove
I play with a team in arena
open verge
that's not just that
upper grove
we can synergize the link pretty well
open verge
at least it used to work that you have to build dmg and they take from that pool for healing/absorb/dmg
so they can increase healing instead of dmg
upper grove
i wish there was more info on this shit somewhere
open verge
but im not sure if it still works like that
lime light
the one i linked?
dire nymph
ya
open verge
which one? immunity
lime light
honestly everything looks super good in kyrian tree
dire nymph
you can be ccd and auto heal your teammates for 40% of their hp
that has to get nerfed
open verge
aoe stun when dropped below 35% is great
but you have a shitty conduit slot - finesse
open verge
guess you could sacrifice it if you really want to cheese setup based comps
open verge
its supposedly off dr..
dire nymph
oh
open verge
ofc if its not then I wouldnt bother
dire nymph
that does sound really good then
open verge
I'll check it out
dire nymph
maybe comp dependent?
open verge
doubt it
open verge
kindred is so boring
upper grove
idk kindred is really interesting in 3s
lime light
idk imo the connection ecc is ok
upper grove
thats a crazy flat stim buff on a 45 sec cd
open verge
its a freaking 15% dmg buff on a 1m cd
lime light
but the fact u can connect with yourself
open verge
not really interesting
lime light
is dumb
lime light
i can see bonding with others in 3s
upper grove
whats the down side
lime light
even good jungles can use it properly
and its way more dam
vs 15% u get for yourself
open verge
Im gonna see first how it works
lime light
and other comps, if they will be viable
open verge
because seems no one has a clue ;d
lime light
prolly bond also
upper grove
what is it then
open verge
it used to work that you build a pool of dmg that he can make use of
upper grove
dmg is dmg
open verge
yeah but you cant use it right away
lime light
its not 20% buff obv, but u both get more value from it
if u use it on someone
but it requires ramp up
open verge
yeah
lime light
that can be hard in pvp, in some cases
upper grove
incarn has a long cd
open verge
you dont use incarn
lime light
like u have to use your dmg, to gain more dmg after
isnt shaneisgood talking about boomer
open verge
oh.. keep forgetting about that
open verge
then ofc anything is better than bonding with boomie lul
upper grove
i was like man this kid doesnt think u play incarn what an idiot
candid moth
dont think so with how many kinds of interrupts are dished out once you go incarn
lime light
u dont cast
upper grove
i dont think the venthyr buff fades if you get cced
open verge
lul bonding is shit
you basically transfer 15% of your dmg as a pool to your target that he can use for healing/dmg/absorb
I'd rather just get a sure 15% on myself then
upper grove
u know how they use it?
open verge
wdym
open verge
if you heal while bonded, it will take from that pool
so lets say I did 10k dmg, you have a pool of 1,5k to use up
so if you heal up for 10k its gonna waste that pool
upper grove
so if i use on a mage, can they barrier and get extra barrier
open verge
yeah pretty much
upper grove
weird
lime light
its not good to bound with healer ofc
open verge
in jungle you can become a stronger hunter's pet
stray sigil
new bt feels better to me at 60
idk why
maybe cuz we lose lucid and shit
so gameplay is much slower anyways
stray sigil
i mean not really hard to pool before ur go
stray sigil
idk im going venthyr regardless
some of the stuff looks interesting
and kyrian getting nerfed legit every week
lime light
honestly necro seems to be the worst joice lmao
if they dont change kyrian, for a lot of classes
most of the spec will go for it
so bleeds are donzo 3 times per game
stray sigil
ya necro is def the worse one
lime light
swarm can pump some FF dmg
stray sigil
i feel like they all playable though
lime light
thats a thing
lime light
iam not fully agree with it
lime light
idk
lime light
Kyrian is just insane
in every aspect
how can they nerf it
best 2nd ability
by far
stray sigil
they could potentially nerf it like
u cant attune to yourself
that could happen tbh
can see that happening
lime light
i guess they can nerf the main ability, but it got nerfed few times already
nah
they wont nerf it
it could make the convenant
only for duo+ ecc
they dont wanan do it
i mean
they can nerf it
%
but they are not gonna remove it
stray sigil
inc cd
they keep nerfing the vers thing aswell
they could nerf the mastery one to
i feel like pot will like 90% get nerfed
when ssn starts
and every is kyrian
and game is giga damp
cuz of kyrian
elder maple
Sounds like a typical first season of an xpack
lime light
i dont think so the healing from potion is that big
the bleed poison removed is
damgur is big
lime light
ye
stray sigil
how is that not big
lime light
but damgur is pretty brutal
lime light
hs is 25% and not on gcd
stray sigil
not quite sure
lime light
potion is on gcd
stray sigil
ya thats why im saying
lime light
there is nothing better then that
stray sigil
its almost def gonna get nerfed
either they lower the healing
or remove charges
or remove the healign all together and keep the dispel on it
makes it more niche
and less op
every other 2nd ability from other covs is niche
but not kyrian
lol
elder maple
Night fae is pretty good all around tbh
lime light
is big gap closer
stray sigil
for druid
elder maple
Even for druid
elder maple
Also, pod is disabled in arena right?
stray sigil
pod?
elder maple
Cheat death
elder maple
Cause that can be pretty big too
stray sigil
idk venthyr dmg reduc ones
is pretty sick too
but well see
i def feel like kyrian will get hit by the nerf bat very fast
elder maple
Well if every covenant is broken maybe it's balanced 
stray sigil
na its pretty good tbh
elder maple
Yeah venthyr for druid is just a dead spell
stray sigil
its good for zerk gos
lime light
its good for pve
stray sigil
its def not as bad as u make it sound
elder maple
Even then, you can be swapped on pretty hard
lime light
stray sigil
def the 2nd best cov
lime light
everyone got it?
stray sigil
ya mine is gold too
stray sigil
venthyr pog
stray sigil
ill be a sucky boy
hanging out with the cool kids
have fun hanging out with fukin owls
noobs
lime light
how is kyrian an owl
lime light
door of shadows
cringe
like why we cant get something cool
fancy
like arms getting vortex
some cool ultility shit
so we can a foking damgur
as usual
obtuse ice
cringe
heavy cairn
any early preidictions of what good boomkin comps will be next xpac?
thinking of having a healer to q with my boomie friend
tawny pelican
so, kyrian for everything? 😄
worthy field
Leaning resto for SL now and im curious if any pvp resto druids think anything even comes close to necrolord.
Maybe for 2s something like nightfae with feral affinity is even preferable? Can imagine that'll be some pretty crazy burst for a healer.
And in 2s getting convoke off without getting interrupted sounds real easy.
worthy field
I've spammed convoke on beta target dumbies a good bit in cat form. Rng seems pretty tame to me. Will probably go necrolord but we'll see. Might start nightfae for fun since a friend and i are focusing on 2s at first anyways.
lime light
Big rng+ easy to stop
Better in 2s for sure
But in 3s the rng of the spell will be insane
First 3 ppl can stop it
Second u need good rng from it
fleet raven
I saw a video today that kind of swayed me away from night fae, I originally was going to go NF because of mythic + content, but this dude who pushes frequently commented that resto fairs well enough without specific conduits in the current state of beta
So I am leaning towards necrolord now
We’ll see I guess lol
worthy field
Necrolord with kitty weaving in m+ for resto sounds like juicy single target/priority dps.
fleet raven
Yea that is how he explained it, really just knowing when to pre hot and getting used to the damage flow is the key. So I can still stay Aggro resto for a good portion of the mythic+ content
I’m just overall excited. Got into resto Druid in the last 2 weeks. With BFA being stale, and on its last legs, I haven’t been able to do much with it
open verge
Also if you have any enemy minions/totems convoke is scuffed, can moonfire them several times and even waste bites. So I can't imagine it's any consistent in 3s.
tawny pelican
I was leaning necro for feral pvp, but been maining brew for so long, not knowing numbers the necro seemed to fit, start out with a little bit of shield plus the dot enhancement timed with feral frenzy
supple cave
What are the talents we should be taking if we're playing feral in arenas?
nvm I'm dumb. Just saw it was pinned
languid knot
Pins need be updated for shadowlands...
obtuse ice
Feel free to update them !
patent dove
What legendary are we crafting now for rdruid pvp
lime light
go to pojke chat
he is streaming
and ask
and u can post the info u get from it, for other ppl that gonna ask soonish
patent dove
It does
neat ibex
Dayum
wide peak
How hard is it to get into rated bg's nowadays
lime light
first season shouldnt be that hard
wide peak
Cool. Perfect time to get the replica classic set then
hazy shale
Yea that is how he explained it, really just knowing when to pre hot and getting used to the damage flow is the key. So I can still stay Aggro resto for a good portion of the mythic+ content
@fleet raven can you link me that video please, im going necro aswell
obtuse ice
Necrolord looks nice in PvP no?
fleet raven
Here is the video for anyone worrying that necrolord will completely ruin their pve experience
It doesn’t talk necrolord in the mythic+ content, but it explains that they are strong enough on their own...which is what I was worrying about. This dude pushes 30+ keys. So I trust him if he says they are good healers regardless of cov soulbind / conduits
Especially since I’ll prolly only dabble up to the 15s lol
This was my original reasoning for Night Fae...so maybe this will help you decide. Either way, we are gonna rock in SL. 
dire nymph
well, growl is literally the #1 rated resto druid world for season 3 and 4 bfa, so yeah. You should probably trust whatever he says about mythic+ healing.
fleet raven
Yea well the top 1% of players in each class/spec are also min/max gods. And prolly play things that cater around that and their comfortability with the class. Also something to think about. It’s never as cookie cutter as copying rank 1, now you’re a god too
But I’ll have to take a look into him. Thanks
ebon vortex
necrolord in pve for resto is so far behind the other ones you are throwing
night fae in pvp at least can be decent with proper position
magic viper
It’s high risk high reward in PvP, which isn’t a bad thing imo
ebon vortex
there's some fun burst potential in 2s too
fleet raven
Yea. True, and thanks Glyph good input.
I guess I’m teeter tottering now lmao. Maybe I will go Night Fae and be that off meta player lol, as long as I’m having fun right?
hazy shale
i will wait until the release and see wich one its the best to play resto/boomy in pvp/m+ i dont care too much about raid
fleet raven
Yea good idea haha
hoary tree
I‘ll probably go Night Fae either way
fleet raven
I know Arms is the best melee to have in 2s as resto, but...my friend is a dumbass, and wants to play feral super bad. How far can we meme in 2s before we struggle lol...being same DR timers and such...
Has anyone tried 2 Druid
It just seems crap..
open verge
has he played feral before? should be easy to dissuade him from playing feral, its not that great :>
stray sigil
rdru feral is completely fine in 2s
fleet raven
He hasn’t. He has this mindset that he wants to play it so bad lmao. I keep warning him it’s niche, and takes a lot of finesse to get into...
open verge
has he tried it on beta?
stray sigil
i know several ferals who went 2.6 last ssn and this one playing rdru feral
fleet raven
His excuse for arms was “it’s crap in pve though”...but aren’t feral Druid’s simming like doodoo in pve rn?
fleet raven
Hmmm okay that is reassuring
untold flower
is balance goin to playable in SL in PvP or is still feral ?
open verge
right now they both look playable
untold flower
okay sounds good, can't really get the feeling in the pre patch, cuz of all the one shotters
hazy shale
boomy/sp/healer its looking good
untold flower
Sounds gr8 then
what race are u running as Horde ?
for PvP
Same here War stomp Op
untold flower
what about the zandalar trolls ?
was just thinking of it been tauren since MoP but nah i'll try Tauren.
hazy shale
Alliance 🤮
pliant trout
You'll get the chance to watch some noobs die from thorns
fleet raven
Lmao, yea in my experience it is nice to be a rogue or Druid for alliance WM
pliant trout
Oh shit you're right
fleet raven
Meld into cat form stealth into dash baby
pliant trout
We're doomed 
fleet raven
I’ll be doing all my questing as stealth kitty running from A to B
By the time the nonmounted speed adds up to the 30% increase
It will all be for nothing
fleet raven
Oh I’m always in WM. Trust me I hate my kin, but I love my NELF
It is actually disgusting tho how many alliance don’t want to wpvp cause they are so scared or can’t be bothered
Ive seen people roll past me when I’m in a 1v1 or a 1v2...and they opted WM on lmao
pliant trout
Most of my mates are like "fuck wm I want to rush xp"
fleet raven
Yea there is that factor too. I mean, I really want it for the rep increases
Because you can’t tag mobs with opposite factions in WM, so I could see a lot of sitting stealthed waiting for my turn.
Jesus. Yea, idk how blizzard would even fix that issue...the incentive is nice but people still spit on the higher percents.
pliant trout
The 30% increase is there to fix it. Working well 
fleet raven
fleet raven
I think if they removed the tagged mob rule from WM it might be better. Even if we are outnumbered
That way I can moonfire and stealth away from a rare with 50 horde on it.
pliant trout
This sometimes works because bugs
fleet raven
👀
pliant trout
By sometimes I mean I saw it once
fleet raven
Aww
pliant trout
But yeah it's stupid, you cant even get the mob if the filthy horde player dies
Needs to be reset
weary valley
I love pvp, but im constantly having the issue to where i get my intro out, but after awhile im low health and have difficulties getting away to heal, even being a feral, pallies with their steed, etc. always seem to catch up quick. Any advice?
pliant trout
Root
weary valley
I might try roots more, but I would rather use the casts for heals.
pliant trout
Ferals dont have that problem
weary valley
Ah, guess I worry too much about staying alive.
pliant trout
No I mean feral has instant roots
weary valley
Cast clone back to back?
empty sentinel
i dont know what spec you have but bear affni/hotw lets you tank anything without casting
your not gonna get away from sub rogue or ret alone
weary valley
Im resto affinity
empty sentinel
its bad, bear is better in the current damage
pliant trout
Clone > heal > Clone before it drops
weary valley
Ill try it out, thank you
empty sentinel
you get deleted instantly in this patch if you leave bear bear against good players so:)
weary valley
I usually dont get killed that fast, unless its a bunch of lucky crits.
fleet raven
Ideas on which legendaries you want for resto? Oath and Verdant look decent?
patent dove
Swiftmend legendary
patent dove
spec specific legendaries cannot be equipped by off spec characters can they? i just wondered how good the natural order's will would be on resto lol
you just wouldn't ever die
patent dove
i should rephrase then i suppose
open verge
for example disc reflect+heal on pws works on shadow
oh damn the natural order looks juicy
patent dove
can some fellow beta druid with beta access test out if you can actually use the natural order's will as resto spec?
open verge
ill test it, im curious
patent dove
tyvm
and if that doesn't work, maybe even test out if other off-spec legendaries work. i'd like to know if that priest legendary you are speaking of is a buggy outlier or an intentional exception to the rule
open verge
@patent dove it did work on feral
patent dove
that seems promising
if that is a bug, then it seems to be a wide spread one. or it is intentional
open verge
on resto too
im pretty sure its intended
although on the runecarver it says requires: guardian
so weird
patent dove
i guess that it also requires you to be guardian loot spec to find, right?
well, on beta live that is
rn you can just buy it
patent dove
thanks a lot btw, i am keen on seeing if this goes live
open verge
np man
exotic wolf
my bruddas in here
what spec will you play and what covenant did you choose?
I play resto and haven't made a covenant decision yet.. it's between necro and fae
eternal cypress
any thoughts on balance pvp now? seems restrictive with the new system
open verge
oh yeah but you dont really care about that as long as you can pump starsurges
you pretty much just dot up, support until you pool for starsurges
thats what ive heard at least...
and seen
eternal cypress
doesnt that seem really shit tho 😛
open verge
you want to hardcast stuff in pvp?
eternal cypress
no, but to get a dmg buff im asked to
open verge
I think im going with surv after all
tranquil raft
has anyone done testing with the night fae class ability for balance druid? is the supposed burst worth it?
open verge
I doubt it, kyrian should be better, it's really hard to make convoke work
vapid comet
I'd say convoke is way to RNG to call it burst
tranquil raft
yeah that's what I was thinking too, but I was wondering if it was true RNG or not
like you actually have a chance to get just starfalls?
open verge
especially as a boomie where you'll just spam moonfire on every totem and minion 😄
tranquil raft
I'm just kinda stuck trying to pick a covenant because I want to play boomy in arena but guardian in m+
but idk about venthyr for pvp as boomy
vapid comet
They say that they've fixed it so that all off spec spells share an amount of casts but it'll like shoot of a moonfire or two, blast off a sick ass rake and then shoot 6 starsurges into the pala who bubbled
vapid comet
One of the big issues with it in multi target situations is that it's not targeted
All targeted spells get a random target
And this list of random targets include those who are immune
tranquil raft
oh that's kinda wack
would venthyr be viable for boomy pvp tho?
because then I can multispec with guardian m+ at least
vapid comet
I guess it could be good, but keep in mind that the druid venthyr ability is the only covenant ability in the game with a drawback
Should you happen to not have anything to cast on for 2 seconds (and out of mana to heal yourself) then you'd get stunned and lose a bunch of HP
vapid comet
Or if you'd get silenced
vapid comet
Gives you up to 15% (?) damage reduction worth of damage / healing from the person you bind with
tranquil raft
I thought it was a redirect
open verge
it's the other way around
tranquil raft
kinda like a gimped blessing of sac
open verge
or isnt it for guardian?
tranquil raft
so just to confirm, you can just use the kyrian ability on yourself right?
open verge
yes
tranquil raft
but its effect would be weaker
vapid comet
I thought the effect was symmetric
open verge
no
vapid comet
Honestly haven't looked it up in detail cause it's such a boring ability
tranquil raft
idk it seems symmetric
granting you an effect based on your partner's role, and granting them an effect based on your role
so wouldn't that just be a dps buff on me and the other dps?
vapid comet
Slightly more than I thought then
open verge
pelagos is down to 3% soon enough it will be on par
vapid comet
The mastery is worth more for balance than the vers though
weary valley
For feral, is nightfae or kyrian better?
open verge
kyrian is much more consistent, it depends what you want to do, in 2s you might get some use of convoke with proper setup
but I'd say in 3s it'll be really hard to get any value
weary valley
Not doin 3's. Mostly 2's and some bgs.
A burst to do during shadowmeld rake stun sounds good.
open verge
you'll probably find more fun in convoke, kyrian is just boringly better
weary valley
What about solo pvp?
open verge
definitely you can pull off big convokes
just pop their trinket then wait for stun dr to wear off, big maim into convoke gg
weary valley
Yup yup
placid mirage
I'm down for the Jesus take the wheel cooldown
Then if it goes wrong you can always just say that's why you lost too
weary valley
"Bad convoke" New excuse.
placid mirage
All bases covered ez
open verge
in 1v1 you could possibly twist rngesus arm
by applying everything to yourself/target
for higher bite chance
weary valley
Huh?
open verge
convoke doesnt use some of the abilities if they are already on the target
weary valley
Oo
open verge
like tiger's fury, regrowth, rejuv, rake, rip, moonfire
that's a lot to setup, but I guess you could find time, at least prebleed and tf
open verge
it sucks that convoke also targets immune targets or totems/minions
loses even more value
weary valley
Should just target your current target
open verge
that would be much better
because even in cleave scenarios its pretty bad, if you bite each target twice
lime light
anyone got weird fetiishes like me?
i love watching a disc priest
that domes vs ww dk
and he gets ring from it
and running into it with a 70% slow
😋
feral urchin
pre-ripple gg
forest kite
can someone give me some good pvp rdudu names(possibly that they stream)? tnx
patent dove
he's really cool
plays late at night though, fellow EU people can only watch during morning times
hazy shale
flop streams are insane good
fleet raven
@forest kite Mmarkers, he does a lot of 1v2 as resto which can be fun to watch lol
soft fjord
What cov are we going as feral guys? I cant decide. Kyrian is so zzzzz but most consistent?
soft fjord
Anyone gonna go nightfae cause fuck it?
open verge
many
patent dove
I do 🙂
dusky marsh
best pvp covenant for resto?
hazy shale
necro
split pollen
does podtender work in arena?
forest kite
I'm going for NF but I plan on mostly playing 2s
There are definitely covenants that are better, but with everything in WoW, unless you're pushing for R1 or are in a top 20 world guild, your covenant choice isn't going to be what stops you from achieving your goals
@vestal citrus I'm not so sure, for some classes there are dramatically better choices for pvp that could make a big difference in ranking
yeah but if youre just your average pvper, getting better and pushing for your first 2100 or w/e
or I guess your average above average pvper
well if you dont play to rank
who gives a shit what youre doing, yorue just dicking around having fun
the covenant system should not be balanced around uber casuals
not to gatekeep pvp, but random bgs isnt really pvp
yeah
winter spindle
Huge shadowland PvE trinket nerfs announced
sour plinth
thank god
dire nymph
no nerf to being able to cast invisible with skulkers 
hazy shale
no nerf to being able to cast invisible with skulkers :think:
@dire nymph i dont thing thats going to last too much
also skulker its a raid trinket so they have plenty time to fix that
hazy shale
kyrian is the best cov for pvp boomy?
flint oak
What feral druid legendary are we talking about? The rip/ferocious bite one? Cat eye?
lime light
Combo points back after finisher
languid knot
I can't choose between n fae and kyrian for 3s arena........
grand robin
Ok guys what legendary is my first go to as resto? I am sorry if this has been asked before.
I poked around some streams from high rated pvp players and ok so for anyone else wondering: most are going for the swiftmend legendary "verdant infusion" first and it drops from a world boss named oranomonos, the pattern that is
elder widget
Yep, it's great.
tulip falcon
talk about last minute nerfs
I was scared they weren't going to do anything as they addressed it like 2 months ago then nothing
elder widget
The only thing I am wondering is whether they are planning to do anything at all regarding ilvl scaling in PVP after seemingly having removed all types of scaling. Because ilvl scaling was actually welcome. Although they could have made it much more transparent - eg, as in WoD, via scaling all gear to fixed min-max bounds with the exact numbers for both the scaled ilvl and stats (and ability damage / heal numbers) appearing in the UI.
elder widget
If there's no scaling at all, then PVP gear should be made much stronger.
tulip falcon
WoD type of scaling wasn't really that bad, but when it's hidden and no one really knows how it works like in BfA is when there's an issue
but I don't think scaling is inherently bad
elder widget
Yes, I agree, I also think that the bad part of scaling was that it was invisible / sneaky and as such, hardly predictable. But in WoD, the rules were clear. ilvl X in the world -> ilvl X+Y in PVP, that's it.
open verge
yeah but I believe we're at a point where they are not looking at it
we'd already have it
but perhaps im wrong
elder widget
Who knows, these last-minute changes (like trinket adjustments, plus the removal of scaling happened not too long ago either) give some hope. We'll see.
open verge
it happened at the start of alpha wdym not long ago
elder widget
Heh, I am wrong then, I thought it happened a month ago or so.
open verge
on live, yes with the introduction of prepatch
tulip falcon
I think Rextroy made blizzard scared of doing any kind of scaling
elder widget
I thought it happened a month ago or so on PTR / beta, too, guess I was wrong.
open verge
on beta we have the 213ilvl scaling
elder widget
As in, all gear scales to 213 in bgs / arenas?
open verge
yeah
ember basin
open verge
its kyrian
obtuse ice
it's kiki
lime light
Tbh the pve trinket nerfs
Are not enough
Also cant see the "new vodoo doll" healing trinket nerfs
obtuse ice
😭
true pendant
I doubt they will nerf them more
patent dove
we could pin legendary recommendations so that peeps can look them up immediately
fleet raven
Soooo uhhh, about that 8% damage increase to feral, and 5% damage increase to resto
Kitty is lookin good bahaha
weary valley
Wont kyrian most likely be getting a nerf?
exotic wolf
hmm just saw in a video where you can use convoke and cancelform to do dmg and healing
and a broken conduit where when you fall below 40% health frenzied regen pops. every 90 secs.
doesn't matter which form your in
seems pretty strong
fleet raven
Was it the Mmarkers one?
fleet raven
Yea that’s the one I’ve been linking around, it’s good...but with that 5% resto damage nerf I wonder if he’s feeling it lmao
At first I read it as a buff then I was mega sad.
heavy cairn
I hope Kyrian gets nerfed vial proccing while below 35% I think it is sucks it’s old healing elixir for monks and the removed it lol
Not sure why they add it back I could see it being good for a lot of people. Basically a free tank trinket
past shore
95% of kryians are running pelagos soulbind and not running owl dude for that 35% auto vial use.
patent dove
If u guys could use two legendaries for pvp, which would you take
vapid comet
He has 33% more conduits that increase your DPS compared to any other soulbind
heavy cairn
How is that even a thing lol
vapid comet
Blizz simply decided that he should have access to more of them than others :)
heavy cairn
Yikes
vapid comet
That's one of the big reasons why 63% of all dps specs are going Kyrian
past shore
yeah. mastery and a vers soulbind skill + two potency slots
bleak gulch
Is rdruid still gonna have strong damage in 2v2 after the master shapeshifter nerfs?
magic viper
Most of our dmg is moonfire / rake, so I don’t think the shapeshifter change will be that significant
fleet raven
I think it will center around gear still, just like how Voodoo Doll was great for Rdruid
5% nerf to overall damage as resto seems kinda, meh...i think the catweave aggro play style is still possible. I will be playing it
forest kite
Nature's Balance bgs/rbgs? Warrior of elune 1v1s? having success with both. any insight? (boomy btw)
heavy cairn
I like nature’s balance in bgs/rbgs a lot tbh
Nice coming to a fight with a star surge in your pocket and some left over
A good amount of people play treants if you are sitting but I like nature’s balance a lot
@forest kite
Some people also play the starfall spec for big team fights and for aoe but on maps where there is an FC or hotmogu I love fury of elude for extra ST damage
steady socket
anybody who played with pvp on the beta have a good idea of which covenant would be "stronger" for boomy. They seem to have their own niches, so not sure which ones would be more useful
*or if there are any outlier soulbinds at the moment
tacit gale
What is the state of feral right now in PvP prepatch?
open verge
why would you even care about prepatch now
obtuse ice
Decent but there is much much stronger right now 
tacit gale
Im new playing rouge, but I wanna know how feral is compared to it
steady socket
lol okay cool, was gonna consider nightfae if it was better for pvp, but nothing really stood out. works out since pelagos too good for pve 😛
proven hollow
Hey guys I’m rerolling back to Druid for SL. I have just 4 important questions. How does balance look in 2V2 going into SL. What streamers can I spam watch. Where do you get your pvp guides? And what conduit is balance going for pvp?
Thanks @vestal citrus. Another cheeky one if you don’t mind, what’s our best 3v3 comps then?
Okay thanks
Awesome. Everyone’s saying Boomkin looking good in beta or something. What’s our play style like now? Last time I played boomie 3s we were using star fall a lot for soread pressure
fair zinc
Is WoE totally useless?
On paper it gives 3 instant Starfires which brings you to eclipse on demand and generate 33 AP pretty much every min.
NB generate 30 AP per minute.
In PvE every GCD is filled with fillers so the benefit is not huge (although WoE sims higher on 2-3 targets already). However in PvP this pretty much will be 3 extra Starfires (i.e. the ones you just wouldnt cast without the talent) that generate enough AP for one SS on demand, no?
The real downside is 0 AP opener which sucks... but otherwise I would try it at least.
heavy cairn
I actually don’t think starfall spec is that bad in rbgs if you gave an evenly matched teams you can be fighting at a node like waterworks on gilneas for instance for awhile and it pumps. On top of that you can play with ele’s and aff locks and rot stuff down. I don’t like the play style though and I’m 100% which is better I never pick it up personally
Reap into double starsurge feels much better imo
safe heart
Hey there, im coming back to feral after taking a break from it and im trying to brush up on how to pvp
im struggling really hard and finding that im either not able to survive at all after opening and it feels like my burst isnt working
anyone have some kindof general tips on how to approach arenas?
I guess i should add, my ilvl is abit low (107 with pvp trinket)
generally im running 2/3/2/1/1/2/3 , then Ferocious wound and leader for pvp talents, and i swap savage momentum and thorns based on comp
forest kite
hi, i would like to do resto arena in season 1, but also would like to heal in raid progress, and mythic+
How much will i handycap myself in pve (and vice versa) by going for necro, instead of night fae?
Ty guys in advance
gleaming terrace
Do you think druids have enough survivability that the necrolord 4 sec immune is a bit overkill? (in pvp) @rotund steeple
formal wave
Why do you guys play druid? For me? It's because no other class is able to handle my power level, with druid I am in control, and with control, you dictate the game, hours after hours, years after years, I don't get bored, I am not thinking 1 step of ahead, no I am not even thinking 2 or 3 steps ahead, I am thinking 5 steps ahead every single moment, only druid gives you this power
safe heart
The shapeshift fantasy is really cool to me
It's fun to be an underdog class
The mobility and utility is cool too
gleaming terrace
@vestal citrus Meant my question to go to you
Resto*
Yeah true.. What cov you going? and what's your specialization? You pvp or pve?
Ok cool thanks 😉
ebon vortex
night fae in pvp is fully viable and actually good in some situations
necro is complete trash outside of pvp and you're throwing so hard especially in raid if you pick it
ebon vortex
all the covenants except necro are viable in pve
night fae just outclasses them by so far though
if you want to focus all content night Fae is by far bis
heady geyser
Does that go the same for feral? Basically anything but necro?
I like being the underdog but I don't want my claws in mittens too
fervent gull
as a rdruid how do i win a 1v1 against the dh that summons? im getting pwned really easy by them
candid stratus
Anyone know what’s up with the master shapeshifter bug? The aura of it fades when you go cat form, after like 2 seconds? Makes your bleeds all weak and wonky 😦
magic viper
That bug has been there forever on beta, they decided to put it on live without fixing the bug first. lel
candid stratus
Damn that’s sad they just never fixed it ..
forest kite
any thoughts about NF for 2s?
cold vale
I saw prev using timeworn dreambender in arenas earlier; what do you guys think of that legendary vs boat? dreambender would def be more flexible, but i'm having a hard time comparing the burst potential
hazy shale
timeworn is not supposed to be the best one in arenas?
analog dust
the auto frenzy conduit is gonna be broken for pvp
i just wanna get away with night fae in pvp so i can convoke in raid and m+
stray sigil
does the pod thing from nf proc in pvp
analog dust
idk but having a auto frenzy regen is gonna be so nice
hazy shale
it should its like the well-honed conduit right?
forest kite
@vestal citrus @ebon vortex thanks guys
winter spindle
Timeworn feels good because you can pump out like 5-6 star surges with FoE every minute with empowerment
But it gets pretty predictable
cold vale
right. i also forgot crit is only 150% in pvp now. i would definitely take circle for rbgs, but i'm thinking timeworn for arena since idk if i believe in moonkin rot comps in SL (and don't really have a lock to play with)
do you refresh timeworn's duration with every SS, or does it stack to 2, then fall off like starlord?
exotic wolf
ok, I read a lot of answers from the last few hours.
I think I'll settle with fae as covenant. Necro cucking me in all other content except pvp is too much.
I want to play more than pvp at the start as rdruid.
If I go ham in pvp I can swap the covenant right? Any penalty on that? Like refarming renown or how is it called..
Or refarming conduits?
winter spindle
You have to refarm renown, not sure about conduits
open verge
yes you have to refarm renown, but renown is capped anyways, so you basically will have the access to all the renown that was available to gain, shouldnt be much of an issue
conduits stay
winter spindle
@cold vale starsurge refreshes the duration everytime it’s cast
exotic wolf
good to know.
I also think I get the Swiftmend legendary like probably almost everybody who wants to pvp as rdruid.
Afaik the pattern drops from a world boss. Any info when that world boss will be available?
digital grove
What's the best affinity for feral in random bgs?
open verge
as much as you can sit in bear as boomie, as feral it just feels bad
digital grove
I use it most of the time.. I'm just quirous if people had any luck with bear or boomkin affinity. But pvp feels so bursty now that I feel like bear is useless in bgs
open verge
indeed
digital grove
Yeah it does
There is pvp talent that makes bear do some damage, as you can swap in inbtween them, but I never had good success with it
open verge
yeah, its not great
cold vale
Nice, thanks @winter spindle
digital grove
Thanks ath.. Just looking if I'm doing these things right, I'm new to feral on pvp, but having a lot of fun with it..
languid knot
As feral for 3v3 arena you reckon n fae or kyrian?
open verge
kyrian
languid knot
How come?
open verge
you get +15% dmg on 1m cd, +mastery buff +3% vers
and phial which heals and clears dots
languid knot
Good point.
open verge
and convoke is so unreliable + really hard to pull off in 3s
and soulbinds are worse too
compact tide
what leendary u guys thinking of using for pvp boomie?
weary valley
I might go kyrian instead of nfae just because of the dot clear lol.
Can you do kindred spirits with another member in a bg?
winter spindle
@compact tide dreambinder or circle
jaunty cedar
would convoke the spirits + HoTW be good in 2v2 with Balance affinity for resto
jaunty cedar
yeah
I might end up playing mage druid with a friend so I guess it's okay for the go
exotic wolf
convoke is rng so I assume it attacks also sheep targets/immune targets etc..
lime light
Convoke will be rly good for 2s
exotic wolf
yeah
lime light
Unplayable in 3s prolly
exotic wolf
I think as defensive it's not bad
lime light
Maybe as boomer a bit better
exotic wolf
but offensively I won't see it going anywhere
lime light
But as feral, i would say not was great
But i might go night' fae on alt druid
Just to try it out
open verge
you will moonfire every minion and totem in sight before you get any good bites 😄
lime light
The other druid is just to Play witth my casual friends
open verge
unless you also bite totems ofc
lime light
That i help them with illusion/Elite set
jaunty cedar
bite the world
lime light
They might improve IT a bit
I guess
Not sure
I rly dont like the nf talent trees
And the anime Wolf form
Isn't great on feral
jaunty cedar
I'm hoping for the biggest dumpster fire for a bit, a ton of gate keeping on the first 2 weeks and total balance shift to the hivemind-perceived shit covenant because they'd nerf all the overtuned fotm picks
lime light
For sure
lime light
Yup
exotic wolf
@jaunty cedar as rdruid I don't think nightfae is as bad as they say.
as dps spec yeah kinda.. but it's a solid choice if you intend to do more than pvp
open verge
no way amigo
lime light
So its bad
exotic wolf
afaik it doesn't
lime light
So its not good
exotic wolf
you have to pop los back and forth
open verge
yeah so if you play 2s and rbg go for it
exotic wolf
lol is rbg scene still alive?
patent dove
No
exotic wolf
can someone put an end to that misery
open verge
what do you think about rbg solo queue
open verge
that would be a clown fiesta but would at least bring some life to it
jaunty cedar
as rdruid I don't think nightfae is as bad as they say.
as dps spec yeah kinda.. but it's a solid choice if you intend to do more than pvp
@exotic wolf yeah I'm probably going to main resto and it's good bit of healing in pve too
lime light
=more ppl to Play with or vs
open verge
isnt it called skirmish 3s solo queue 😄
lime light
No, no one cares about skirmish
open verge
well, unranked so nvm
open verge
I have not been enjoying skirmishes on the beta..
open verge
yeah, what's the harm?
open verge
that happens in lfg too
lime light
Yes
But if u Play with players x from lfg
U wont Play with x second game
Cuz he is shit
open verge
trye
lime light
In solo q u will Play with him no matter what
tardy hare
i'd /afk instantly if i'd get matched with him again
lime light
Depends on matchmaking
open verge
That's why I think its easier to do rbg solo
exotic wolf
just enforce a player ruleset/codex with the possibility to report players in solo Q
If they receive multiple reports for being toxic look into it or "auto mute"
just like any other game
nova shuttle
7v7 rbg soloq when
tardy hare
6v6 only
nova shuttle
what is the brawl again
lime light
Idk imo 3vs3 solo queoue would be sooo big for the pvp
open verge
people could jsut spend time there instead of orgri
nova shuttle
is it 7v7 or 6v6
open verge
with some cd resets and so on
lime light
U talking to me?
nova shuttle
ya
lime light
Idk about rbg 6vs6 ecc
nova shuttle
3v3 soloq would need to be really well made
and i doubt blizzard knows how to do it
obtuse ice
You are well made Tian 😳
nova shuttle
i mean like
lime light
Items?
nova shuttle
filtering comps specs
obtuse ice
cute wellmade polski
lime light
Weekly?
nova shuttle
some sort of system to evade toxicity
lime light
No, just make it full yolo
No comps
Just one healer 2dps
Even 2 rogues
And mw
W/e make it fun
And make it weird
open verge
@obtuse ice you always surprise me 🙂
nova shuttle
could be fun
obtuse ice
I don't know how I shall interpret that but I'll take it well 😛 @open verge
open verge
I just imagine you lurking in the discord trying hard to make any comment 😄
obtuse ice
rn yhea cuz I'm not invested
fleet raven
I see prot pally / disc in 2s on the rise
but what if.....prot pally / resto xD
or would that be hot trash
lime light
"his affects Kyrian's Kleia's Valiant Strikes, the first trait in her Soulbind tree:
Now only stacks based on your critical strikes (instead of you and your party members)
Now only stacks to 20.
Now has a 1 minute cooldown."
dogshit ass game
winter spindle
Has anyone checked out prickling thorns since this new update? It’s ticking for 1,263 every 1.7 sec
It’s doing more than my starsurges
open verge
pelagos also nerfed ;d
open verge
I mean it was deserved, because you had 4 dps conduits+soulbinds
open verge
it was the only choice lul
lime light
for pve ye
open verge
nothing could compete
open verge
kleia was and is shit
lime light
how come
open verge
how can you compare huge mastery buff +3% vers +2 potency slots
to shit kleia has
wow 5% max health to nearby party members when youre above 90% health - big!
open verge
immunity only if you gave up potency
10% hp after 11 seconds of not doing anything - super useful
how can you compare that to vers and 350 mastery every minute
hazy shale
but boomy needs more heals?
guardian aff is not enough? im just asking cuz i dont know too much
open verge
@lime light where did you see the kleia change
lime light
wowhead
open verge
weird I dont see it
lime light
lime light
super big nerf
dusk kayak
Hi everyone, Feral Necrolords is still they way to go for pvp, is that correct?
hidden sphinx
I'm wondering the same for balance
lime light
no
hazy shale
u guys think with this emeni buff, necro boomy can be more vialbe in pvp?
hollow junco
Boomy is looking to be all about starsurge dmg, right? If that's the case soulbinds and all can be great but we still get almost nothing from adap swarm then