1.2*0 dmg makes also 0 dmg from fire mages 😂
#pvp
lone onyx
trail sorrel
What keybinds do u use for shifting? Already heard f1-4 and xcv but dunno
wind lagoon
I have mine bound to one of my extra mouse buttons, base click is bear, shift click is travel, ctrl click is feral and alt click is moonkin
lone onyx
got mine on mousebuttons too
wind lagoon
I play resto so I just cast a heal to cancel forms
tardy hare
Cat Q, bear ctrl-4, travel mouse button 4
tardy hare
I tried helping some guy to 2.1 with him in 3s
wise valley
@trail sorrel mouse scroll button all day
tardy hare
Plenty of games with thaderyl
wise valley
LOL
trail sorrel
What do u prefer as a race? Nelf or tauren?
dusty sphinx
Nothing wrong with cow druids you tree hugger
But for arena, probably go for shadowmeld if you don't have a faction preference :P
tardy hare
Troll druid is cool
turbid pebble
What do you stack for pvp? I am currently on 24 haste/ 14 mastery / 35Versa
tardy hare
Male troll is cool
tepid spoke
oof
tiny oar
Male troll is bis horde model, fuck u guys talking about
tepid spoke
OOF
viscid remnant
livid wasp
what would you guys wanna go for as covenant if you wanna do both pve and pvp as feral?
people seem to be saying venthyr is the best for pve but dunno about it for pvp
lime light
necro g@ng
livid wasp
necrolord might be cool too yeah
guess the choice doesnt matter that much at the end of the day
since you can change it
at a cost ofc
heavy cairn
@tardy hare are you European?
If so I’m jealous because you can actually play alliance on EU
tardy hare
heavy cairn
Yeah I’ve given up hope and accepted by fate in the land of mud huts
lime light
Too bad necro is the only bad choice for feral omega
worthy field
Seems the same for balance. Every choice good but Necro. Why is necro bad for feral in pvp though? Is DoT damage just not the focus?
worthy field
Yeah that makes sense.
fervent imp
Which covenants seems to be the best for rdrood in pvp ?
analog glen
what are viable comps with boomy in 3s?
obtuse ice
yes
fervent imp
So it’s not worth to use the night fae convenant to almost OS a heal or a dps ?
dim heron
Is boomy good for rated bg and 2s
worthy field
necro looks to be best for rdruid in pvp
heavy cairn
Boomie isn’t too bad for rbgs. Be prepared to play the other specs though because rbgs might require you to tank or dps. 2’s I don’t think it’s the best but there is a team that makes it work
@dim heron
@analog glen ww/boomy/hpal and boomy/dh/x are your best bets right now both kind of dampen
worthy field
haven't looked into streamers but balance druid youtube for pvp is extremely lacking
practically can't find content for shadowlands balance pvp outside of some random bg footage
tepid spoke
Any good boomy streamers/YouTubers I can watch?
@analog glen Corkiri
compact tide
@happy druid thyraz is back
granite harbor
Is it really shit in SL? Looks like nice changes tho
worthy field
Has anyone tried a spread pressure comp with maybe mastery/versa? Really sucks that starfall doesn't scale off haste at all. But it does sound like mastery + starfall + Boat is insane spread pressure.
Also warrior of elune + boat sounds like short CD decent single target damage
Every lunar eclipse do that
- however many star surges you can get off before the 3 starfires, or after depending
fair zinc
My bet would be lunar eclipse + kyrian empowerment > 3 surges > 3 instant starfires after 3 surges you will likely have 12% (aura) + 20% (empowerment) +18% (further surge empowerments) ~ 50% crit buff to starfires. Also this way you feed full boat bust into the most important surge casts and finally these 3 starfires generate you one more surge by the end of the window.
Depending on damage tuning it can be very scary moment for the enemy team. Especially since it is available every root+beam setup. At least on paper it looks potent
worthy field
Yeah I was thinking kyrian with that as well
The soulbind tree for kyrian looks the strongest
nightfae is not far behind though and maybe arguable that it has the better covenant ability
that 55% hp potion is looking real strong though
Venthyr looks strong for pvp too if someone really wants to pigenhole themselves into 3 mins
what do you mean by that
fierce shuttle
yea I've theory crafted a ton of that until I found out it was pooling today
that super nerfs it in arena unless you do lone empowerment for 15% dmg for self 10s
I was thinking big brain w/priest and legendary for where it PI's yourself whenever you PI a target, then stack that same target (dmg dealer) with kindred. But now that I found out dmg taken draws from the pool, any splash dmg will eat it away like nothing
I saw some interesting plays with the night fae vulpera blinks today when he was in trouble
yea, I'd think they need to change it to dmg dealer adds to dmg out pool, I don't like the +healing and dmg taken affect, that just dumpsters it
yea, I'm not sure they'd keep it at +25% for arena, that's pretty nutty
it's like a relentless
or -25% rather
need to check the door disorient DR table, might overlap with cyclone/fear/roar
and aoe
yea, thinking if dots are out it'll break unless it removed
removes*
slate prairie
dire nymph
I'm going to go venthyr as well for all the same reasons, glad I'm not crazy 🙂
even though necro is probably the tryhard pvp covenant
I'm just not a 3k arena player and I want to play other parts of the game too
plus venthyr looking sick for guardian and I may end up doing some of that too
stray sigil
no title go away after season ends
tepid spoke
so im kinda confused by the blue post
cause i wanna server transfer this week
what rewards get scuffed if i do that?
the glad titles in 3v3?
thats all?
stray sigil
im pretty sure only r1s would be affected
dire nymph
yeah necro isn't really about the dot at all, it's just if you're good enough to pre shield kidneys then it's a game changer
fair zinc
@vestal citrus I see your points about the Venthyr.
Still I find Kyrian pretty competitive.
Ofc you wont empower your DPS partner in arena but 15% dmg increase for 10 sec is still nice addition as it covers the whole 4ss+3insta starfires combo and is available every minute. Moreover last time I heard the crit modifier on beta is still 200%, no-one knows if its intended or bugged though.
In some matchups depending you can also consider linking to your healer for a 10% weaker beacon of light. Can be situationally useful.
Door is nice I agree but it has cast time, the teleport location is also marked on the ground so its hard catching someone offguard with its CC. Also since clone is disorient and roar is incap it will share DR with one of them (unless it will be put on DR of its own, which I doubt).
And Phial is also very potent alternative. Especially so if survivability will end up not so good with vers amps out of the picture. It can be turned into 55% heal, short bleed/poison/curse/disease immunity or spiced with knock-back depending on matchup.
Also Kyrian soulbinds are in general pretty strong. Offering AoE stun when you are reduced below 35%, 20% stun/incap reduction, 30% snare etc. Pelegas for instance gives you 5% vers + 55% heal with Phial + 5% mastery for 20sec every time you empower the bond.
Also I think combining Mikanikos 20% stun reduction with 70% interrupt reduction from Moon&Stars would be particularly useful for PvE rotation turret playstyle if there will be any circumstance where it is viable ofc =P
That being said on paper Venthyr looks more powerful but less flexible to me. However I am not high end PvPer so might get it all wrong 🙂
vivid tusk
hey guys, in 2s with disci as a feral should I run bloodtalons or feral frenzy at about 2.1k cr full vers corruptions?
stray sigil
@vivid tusk either is fine, play what you likw
ik cassidy plays almost exclusively bt and others play ff
vivid tusk
asking because i used to play ff but my priest is forcing me to play bt with argument that we put more pressure with bleeds but not entirely sure this is true we put that much more pressure with bt
forest kite
hey did feral get a nerf to pvp arena not sure why some are saying its garbage which i dont think itr is but not sure if something changed yesterday
worthy field
Pelegas soulbind is what is pushing Kyrian as the most probable most powerful covenant for balance pvp for me
5% perma vers, 55% hp potion, 5% mastery for 20s every minute on top of the covenant ability
its just good stuff
Also, if you get the cdr for kyrian ability it will probably scale into lining up with warrior of elune
which, my priority for kyrian potency conduit would probably be Fury of the skies > Deep Allegiance (covenant ability cdr) > Umbral Intensity
which works perfectly for the pelagos soulbind
I can just drop umbral intensity
worthy field
btw can you switch between soulbinds freely?
past shore
yes
conduits have week CD to change
so. if you use the same soulbind for multi spec, you could be screwed as some conduits might not work
worthy field
I dunno about you but I don't define something I can only do once a week as something I can freely do.
past shore
you can change between soulbinds in the same cov. switch from pelgas to kleia when you go to town.. freely anytime you want
fair zinc
More precisely, once a week you can reset the conduits which you place in the empty slots. Otherwise you are free switch soulbinds and paths within the respective trees on the fly (i.e. before the arena match starts for instance). As far as I know that is
sand spade
Phantaram has made some pretty solid arguments for Kyrian in arena, hope someone can find some similarly strong cases for other covenants.
Right now I may be going Kyrian
hollow fjord
is kyrian usefull if you play 2s with a healer? like you dont get a dmg boost if you bond with the healer right?
fair zinc
is kyrian usefull if you play 2s with a healer? like you dont get a dmg boost if you bond with the healer right?
@hollow fjord Can use lone empowerment (link to yourself) increasing dmg by 15% from 10sec.
Can also link to healer. Then you give a fraction of your dmg to him as pool he can use for healing. And he gives you 30% of healing he does for free (i.e. like 10% weaker beacon of light). This way he should be able to heal you without LoS or heal both of you simultaneously, which can be useful sometimes..
At least I read the ability this way.
hollow fjord
@hollow fjord Can use lone empowerment (link to yourself) increasing dmg by 15% from 10sec.
Can also link to healer. Then you give a fraction of your dmg to him as pool he can use for healing. And he gives you 30% of healing he does for free (i.e. like 10% weaker beacon of light). This way he should be able to heal you without LoS or heal both of you simultaneously, which can be useful sometimes..
At least I read the ability this way.
@fair zinc oh okay, doesnt sound that bad then, may even be better than necro since bleeds dont do dmg anyway. Not a fan of the kyrian soulbinds tho but we'll have to see what turns out to be better.
lime light
Wow 2.0 waiting room
compact tide
Balnce just got a 17.4 percent increse to dot damages lets go boys
Starfall rot is back
Hopefully
fervent granite
didnt they already buffed the dots last week?
compact tide
They buffed them more
fervent granite
from your own observation? havent seen datamined info yet on wowhead
compact tide
I trust skill capped
fervent granite
link?
compact tide
And went on the beta they hit 4 more
spiral badge
Do you have a link?
compact tide
Arround minute 2
And the new talent looks dope to be honest
70 percent inmunity is dope as fuck
fervent granite
pretty sure they're talking about last week's buff to dots
video was published over 3h ago and dont think beta was down then
compact tide
I think your right
dim stump
do you ever use Efflorescence or Wild Growth in PvP for resto?
wise valley
@tardy hare you have been playing among us for 4 hours is everything ok bud
vale peak
Lmao
wise valley
F
tardy hare
The boys killed me
tardy hare
Aye got like 3 different groups that i play with
My hockey team is getting owned everytime am imposter
ebon vortex
lmfao that tier list is based on something that is clearly unintended
every tier list is complete BS until the game comes out
maybe even after the game comes out
tardy hare
^
stray sigil
yes
dire nymph
whoever I was arguing with the other day about ret healing, I was wrong and I'm sorry lmao
just tried my ret on beta
wise valley
@tardy hare ofc you play hockey
you look skinnier than me what position could you be playing
stray sigil
yeah i told u ret healing is far better than feral lol
dim stump
Hey guys, idk if you'll have the answers but im curious how Resto Feral affinity looks for PvP. Planning on hopefully playing it in 2s as a half dps half healer style, not sure if it does enough damage for that to work though
stray sigil
why is regrowth so bad @vestal citrus
feelsbadman
its only better than vivify but not spammable
kekw
run behind pillar
2 regrowths oom
and 40% hp
pog
dim stump
Sweet, how is the damage compared to a regular feral would you say percentage wise? 50%? is it worth going the new affinity talent instead of bash or the affinity focused pvp talent to boost the damage up?
Yeah for sure. Its more utility than damage, and bead is more defensive. Do we have a re stealth mechanic or just getting out of combat? Does healing your teammate put you in combat?
quiet geyser
Feral druids? More like if a sub rogue had a kid with special needs
I mean at least fer and resto got some posts
trim gazelle
does the ravenous frenzy fuckup stun DR with enemy stuns?
peak ravine
i would hope so
dim stump
Is feral looking to be better or worse than BFA feral?
peak ravine
Been watching videos and they are saying C tier, feral seems to be above ret, arms, survival and ench.shamans
scared about the secondary stats having a reduced effect after 25%
dim stump
Fair enough, what tier were they in 8.3?
@peak ravine also are we hit hard by the Diminishing return from stats? What do we usually spam in terms of stats?
tardy hare
@wise valley am the goalkeeper
peak ravine
Well, the way i like playing is stacking mastery so
forest kite
is spriest crazy in SL?
balmy sparrow
Y’all got glyph in here? Poggies
Anyways
What’s the word on Boomy comps in Slands? We thinkin Owlplay? Or maybe Boomy/melee?
sand spade
With DH getting MS effect, with Balance/DH be even better in SL?
sand spade
DH is tanky in meta form
not so much out of it
more leach in Meta, less out of it, from what I can tell
and blur dmg reduction reduced by 10%
is that what made the comp good? how hard they were to kill
balmy sparrow
Ya I think so... they both have such a good defensive rotation
But a lot of it is corruption right now
S1 boomy DH was broken damage and broken defensively and not yet nerfed mana burn
I don’t really think Boomy dam is broken currently but they are quite literally immortal when fully corrupted 9x vers amps
It makes frenzied regen a lay on hands basically
somber gull
Hows the night fae ability for balance holding up in pvp? In theory it sounds hilarious to bombard someone with abilities but how does it feel?
somber gull
Yeah that's what I was afraid of
At least with castables you can try again after interrupt
A channel is just gone
worthy field
Nightfae ability seems situationally good for damage but will always be good for off healing. Could be the best pick for DH/boomy rot comp where you just try not to die and wait for DH to burn mana and go for kills every 3 mins with incarn.
And if you wanted to play other specs, nightfae seems like a really good if not the best druid all arounder.
formal wave
You know whats stupid? Mage just get a Greater pyroblast which they spam
Why don't boomkins have a Greater Starsurge PVP Talent?
spiral badge
You can’t spam greater anymore. It has a 15 second cool down
lime light
@smoky sail
forest kite
are there any "prebis" lists for gearing for pvp week 1 of SL? (rdruid)
Im not on the beta but ive read that the honor gear requires a shitton of bg, seems not worth it
patent vessel
o7 its soulshape any good in PVP? what about Vanthyr signature ability?
sand spade
Owlplay, iss that SP/Boomy?
cold vale
Soulshape doesn't seem too great since we already have a ton of mobility; I'm not sure if there's a soulbind that buffs it. Venthyr ability (door of shadows) has a soulbind that disorients for like 4sec upon landing, which will be good for following up in cc like root beams, or even into smoke bombs
Owlplay is sp/boomy, ya
random patrol
theres one that makes it a charge stun, you have to be out of combat though so its kind of meh
hollow fjord
soulshape can be used as a shadowmeld
sand spade
I like the sound of that
Might convince friend to SP haha
Atm they playe Warr and Hunter, so I can resto and play KFC.
Play Feral and go Jungle.
Or play some rubbish comp with Warr and Feral or Boomy
cold vale
how can soulshape be used as a shadowmeld? will it immune a cc even if it doesn't stealth you?
pallid coral
i assumed he was reffering to the soulbind that was removed
and just wasn't aware it was removed
hollow fjord
yeah i was just looking it up, i didn‘t notice they changed that, my bad
dim stump
how troll is zandalari troll for feral in pvp?
rigid linden
its fine
i got r1 with in in s2 bfa
Dont think anything is really ahuge deal on horde
but u have to be nelf on alli
tardy hare
Worgen 😡
dim stump
Yeah my main is Nelf, just what loa thing do you take? @rigid linden
rigid linden
bwonsamdi
wind lagoon
I keep reading that we should go night fae as resto but I think it looks lackluster in pvp and the soulbind trees for Night fae just add nothing I see that looks worthwhile. Am I missing the reason or is it just because Necrolord looks meh in pve? I feel like that shield would be great in pvp and with the stat bonuses from the first soulbind ability could even be good in pve.
tiny oar
im gonna be a fairy unicorn rdruid and no1's gonna stop me
wind lagoon
I thought that too but I after playing the beta I love the aesthetic and style of a Maldraxxus war druid
forest kite
is rdruid burst still huge with feral aff and convoke?
even if its not optimal, being able to use it as a burst cooldown as a rdruid sounds great
worthy field
^ Yeah I think because of that reason nightfae sounds strongest for 2s on resto druid
seems impossible to beat necro lord in 3s though
so much extra healing
and the signature ability is way better
This is sort of unrelated but since someone brought up zandalari troll... does anyone know how much damage/healing embrace of bwonsamdi does in shadowlands?
past shore
convoke can be interrupted and it is a concern. 4 second channel is a long time.
lime light
Oce kid
😩
Its like being a russian but with 1/10 of the population
And without Putin as chief
tiny oar
Beautiful simile tian
lime light
Thx
obtuse ice
🥵
next crown
is there a place where i can find a list of new soulshapes?
hoary ledge
How is feral looking PvP wise in SL? Trying to decide between feral and WW
worthy field
I don't know the strength of feral in SL but unlike boomy feral has good SL content on youtube
watch Snupy
pretty sure he streams a good bit too
hoary ledge
Thanks for the input! I’ll check him out
wind lagoon
Yeah Snupy and his big bite build will make you want to play Feral
compact tide
Man what covenant do i pick if i wanna mythic raid and push glad on fucking breaking my head here but really dont know what to pick
For boomie
ebon vortex
just run 2 druids lol
wind lagoon
Seems like Venthyr for boomie raid, but I don't think its going to work for Pvp
compact tide
Fuck that shit to mutch work
ebon vortex
venthyr is very easily countered in pvp but is bis for pve
compact tide
Yeah getting damaged when they cc u for like 10-20 percent of ur health is not fun
wind lagoon
I think they took that away, if its player CC it just waits
compact tide
But i dont wanna die in pvp
ebon vortex
it relied on an old disc covenant ability
wind lagoon
Yeah Necro is nice defence but our dots on boomie don't make swarm worth it
ebon vortex
the ability itself is garbo
wind lagoon
Probably look at the binds
wind lagoon
We didn't get a one size fits all for covenants for sure
ebon vortex
the druid ones seem kinda shit in pvp for DPS in general
compact tide
I mean its just the difference is so large for raid
compact tide
Blizzard is like pick the one u want and its a 15 percent damage difference
wind lagoon
Yeah pvp wise I would say Convoke would work better than frenzy, even if they interupt you, you will get 3 or 4 spells off with it
ebon vortex
but if you're serious about pushing mythic and glad the best way to go is 2 druids
Unfortunately
wind lagoon
Probably you could get by with Venthyr and not use frenzy for pvp, you will need Frenzy for raid for sure
compact tide
Man im not gonna work my ass of for another druid... renow seems boring as fuck to get
ebon vortex
alternatively after raid switch to another cov then start the quest chain to switch back
compact tide
My question is does venthir stun dr u
ebon vortex
prolly
compact tide
Cause it can be a 3000 iq ability then
wind lagoon
I think that was confirmed
ebon vortex
didn't know that
compact tide
So it dosent count if ur ccd?
compact tide
Yeah yeah, but if it dosent take your healz away if u get ccd then the ability seems pretty dope for pvp
Is it not taking ur healz confirmed for arenas, if they stun u?
wind lagoon
Cannot be cancelld
You are not considered "idle" when any of the following are true:
You are casting or channeling and for 1.5 seconds after the cast completes or is interrupted.
You have successfully cast a spell in the last 1.5 seconds. (This includes non-GCD spells)
Your GCD has ended in the last ~1.67 seconds.1
You are affected by certain loss of control effects.2
2 Valid loss of control types include CHARM, CONFUSE, FEAR, and STUN. Notably, POSSESS effects (like Mind Control) do not prevent you from being considered idle, nor do SILENCE effects.
wind lagoon
Bitey Bird it is lol
compact tide
I feel like the devs gave boomie so mutch attention in the rework. I feel very happy
For both pvp and pve
@wind lagoon ty bro for resolving my issues
wind lagoon
Hope it works out for ya
queen copper
So much attention does not mean good attention
compact tide
Honestly it feels dope
And i honestly think they did a good job
Now it comes down tp tunning
And i also think boomie skill cap will go up
Plus we practically have all cc drs at the same time
Nah actually we have all
And they fixed the fact that our rotation is supper predictable and easy to disrupt in pvp
With the talent that gives u a beam
And then they made it so lunar eclipse gives crit instead of area damage witch is better for pvp ...
So id say it was good attention
Only 148 boomie above 2200 rating this patch...
Probably will be more next xpac
queen copper
You can completely lock down our damage now. It’s extremely predictable and ramping
The interrupt pvp talent they just run/stun etc as usual making it not as great as it sounds
Moons now an astral lockout as well
compact tide
@queen copper u can completely lock our damage right now as well but i believe the eclipse system will give us some more not being useless moments . Moons being astral is kinda annoying but at the same time it increses skill cap as long as it does damage cause u get the trade of it doig damage for u being able to get completely locked out, similar to lock.
I hope moons do damage though
Like legion
dire nymph
For you guys talking about venthyr it's fine for pvp, syfoxe has been preferring it on beta though he wouldn't tell you that he's for sure going to use it. It's not that difficult to prevent from stunning you. If you are cc'd it doesn't count and any ability/auto attack keeps you from being "idle". Shapeshift, charge, dash, decurse. And the % dmg per stack got nerfed by 2/3rds. So it's much more viable than it was
It will be a little awkward if you get mc'd to narnia but should feel fine otherwise
forest kite
Are we only able to use 1 covenant ? So pve n pvp we can only use 1 Or can we change in the go ? Looking for a St for pvp and more of a Aoe for pve
Damm is there a all around 1 so far ppl are liking or which is the pvp covenant preferred
dire nymph
I think venthyr is your best bet for all content, or at least that's my personal assessment
But it depends on what other spec you might want to play as well
if resto, night fae is hard to pass up
guardian is really strong with venthyr atm
and I may tank some mythic+ with my push group this xpac
I think necro or kyrian will be the best for pvp if that's all you care about
rich crag
You don't like night fae at all for pvp, looks fun at least but I guess not so good for pve
for feral
cedar surge
is it because it's interruptible or b/c of the nerf?
random patrol
the problem with convoke is that there are way to many things going on in an average match to be able to get it off and even if you get it off it does not always work like you want it to
like if your a boomkin and your just far enough it will use feral abillties for instance
rich crag
True I won't do a lot of arena just world pvps and stuff
random patrol
Ill prob end up going kyrian or necrolord myself, would love to do night fae but as it is atm I would avoid it for rated play, wpvp you can use what you want of course
rich crag
lol yeah i hear you me too
rich crag
What sort of legendaries are looking good atm for feral
rigid linden
energy one seem,s really good
also the Bite % chance one procs a shit ton on AOE cause primal wrath rips count
idk how worth it is tho
rich crag
no biggy just gonna check him out gearing him up now :)
Thanks!
Oath seems neat
is the bile% one the frenzyband ?
oh wait you said bite haha i read it as bile lol
dim stump
Okay so looking at the ladder, most of the best ferals are Night Elves. There are about 4-5 and only 1 feral that is Tauren. Why is that, they seem very similar in effectiveness. The racial abilites can both be used offensively and defensively, with the Night elf one being higher skill needed, for better defensive capabilities and 2 more seconds on a stun using rake right after. Is the difference really that big in the races, or is there another reason the Night elves are dominant at the top of the ladder
rich crag
It's helped me a lot in the world and using it with incarn can really mess people up 🙂
dim stump
My only gripe is a lot of my friends are horde, and the pvp community seems like there are a lot more horde players, especially good players, so Im leaning toward it if possible, so im just curious if Night Elf is good enough to justify playing alliance since Ill have a for fun feral on horde as well already
lime light
Lf pve guild so i can pvp
wary pier
are guardians stacking gushing or td in arena?
obtuse ice
Ne passiv 2 strong
surreal heron
Td
wary pier
was worried you would say it it really feels like my td doesnt hit much lol
obtuse ice
Don't play Guardian in arena
worthy field
meld gives you restealth so you can then go stun healer or stun whats on you
I could be wrong but I believe you can macro Meld -> Prowel -> cat stun
so you can basically stun people with nelf mid combat
tardy hare
You rake stun in meld aswell
hollow fjord
what?
worthy field
wait what? Meld not usable in arena in SL?
signal willow
Yeah that’s a meme for sure, no way they make that a thing
worthy field
yeah horde is already skewed for pvp
take away the one class and racial they have over horde and LUL
hollow fjord
pretty sure i saw snuppy meld in this streams
lime light
keen drum
Lol
hollow fjord
fast ember
Hey, yesterday I queued 3s with some friends alts as hpal/balance/destro. We did pretty well until 2.1mmr, we lost like 5 in a row after that. I think we just got some lucky cc chains with Rep/stun/solar silence or oneshots from the warlock, if that last thing doesnt happens hpal just goes oom. I'm still not sure about the kill condition of this comp
lime light
kinda like it
easy comp to play, u just wait till u get random cc on the healer
spamming clone/fear/rep at the same time
and u have 100% cc with root beam
if the healer is not a druid
if enemy has a hunter in the team, u need to cc the pet before root beam
if there is a ret or ww
u also need to take care that they dont fucked up your root beam with freedoms
or u just play bash
remember to be a disugsting pig
and if the map is big
go to the corner
make a gate there
tell your warlock to go 20 yards away from u
and pve them down
lime light
but your team will struggle vs mlx
cuz the warlocks kick wont be enough to stop their pressure
so prolly gonna pillar a lot
fast ember
Yeah, I think a shaman is better but it's what we have
lime light
so free wins
u just spam heal if he is in trouble
go full gush
and be anoying
push towards enemy healer
warlock can play succa vs melee + mw teams
imp vs jungle
could play an imp vs rmx too, if the mage is not playing gpyro
and one more thing
if u getting trained
there is one rly good trait
the guardian druid one
if u mangle it refresh freanzy regen
super good
wraith laurel
Hello guys, so how is balance looking in SL? Its the only dps spec that appeals me so im worried it ends up being like pala in bfa
worthy field
Not a lot of footage of its strength out there but no ones saying its particularly weak or particularly strong from what I can see
hard to know if its been properly tested or not
And also shadowlands right now is either you are really strong cause you 1 shot or you are really weak because you don't
worthy field
With how well circle is simming for pve it seems almost a no brainer that circle will be strong for pvp. Other legendaries will have far less up time compared to pve making them even weaker. With that said things like BOAT or pulsar can still create good burst windows.
misty frigate
tepid spoke
Lmfao
dim stump
Hey guys, is feral very viable in any comps other than Jungle? Are there any other good 3s or 2s comps that are pretty solid, or do I need to make a hunter best friend?
Ah okay, any 2s recommendations? Is feral rouge any good?
stray sigil
not really no
compact tide
Feral pala is oks for 2
Btw did u guys see this huy today in Eu AWC tryed to play boomie with void ritual procs for oneshot and didnt get anny procs
?
Was super funny
smoky sail
storm pecan
what about feral ww monk? not viable?
dusky rock
I played some feral ww it’s not bad it’s a setup and reset comp tho so you’re trying to heavily outplay ppl def isn’t mongo
I’m the ww in that group
Basically 9/10 teams will train the feral I make sure both are slowed feral will bash dr clone healer and we put sweep into kill targ if it’s disc we go disc and peel dps
Trying to get a cd or two each reset until they can’t keep up
tropic kiln
How are ferals feeling about the 100 row for PvP in SL?
small storm
feral frenzy is good
tropic kiln
That's what I'm currently playing. Was just curious how the bite changes to row 1/going lunar might have impacted talent choice in this area.
dusk jasper
So how are resto’s looking in arena (low cr) and rated bg’s (average cr)
forest kite
Ngl sub and outlaw look much more fun than feral in SL. Feral looks the exact same as bfa launch...
lime light
feral is a healer in sl
forest kite
Like bfa in s1? Which got nerfed by 30 percent
manic arrow
Guys, we are playing arms/dh/rdrood and can't get above 1800 even with this rating inflation, wtf. We are getting wrecked by some random comps. Usually I just can't outheal that damage or I'm dying after being trained 24/7. We are pretty geared. How likely it's our comp disadvantage or me as druid healer than a fact that we are just bad?
wind lagoon
Is it you dieing or one of your dps and you just can't keep up with enemy dmg?
manic arrow
It depends, sometimes I die after using everything (mass roots, vortex, leap, safeguard, barkskin, etc.), sometimes one of my dps dies
Maybe we lack coordination or cc, dunno. We are playing w/o voice
But I've thought at this rank with proper gear it should be faceroll tbh
lime light
send clips
or something u have
safeguard is pretty bad
so mass roots are mostly not great too
max range as much as possible, if u are playing melee cleave u are playing guardian
manic arrow
I've rage quitted, gonna do them later
lime light
puttin hots
and afking in bear form most of the game
trying to drink if u are below 80% mana
manic arrow
I'm full turtle 24/7 with c&s major, guardian, safeguard and roots, otherwise I'll just die in a second stun
lime light
and your dps are hotted almost full hp
i would link u, my jungle games vs one of the best rdrus in eu
manic arrow
Cuz if we are facing melee cleave they will go for me 100% of time
lime light
but unforch there is something wrong with them, and cant upload it
how much versa do u have
u are not supposed to die to any melee cleave before damp
manic arrow
It's like 28% inside of arena I guess
manic arrow
Well, it's full mastery/vers gear with +12% amps on all items
Not all, offhand has no corruption, but anyway
manic arrow
What means number after slash?
lime light
dmg reduction
manic arrow
Huh, wtf
I have 36% vers baseline
But inside arena it lowers
Cuz heart of darkness
Can you link your armory?
Do you run vers trinket?
Cuz I have no idea how could I raise it even more
lime light
drest insigina
drest battlemaster
drest mele
drest bike
thats what i play
but iam feral
manic arrow
Ah
lime light
u want to play vodoo/claw/insgina/battlemaster
dont think so safeguard is good
it could be vs rmx or thug
but i would say play something else
manic arrow
Well I've played claw/voodoo, but it doesn't affect my vers amount anyway
lime light
your versa is too low
my warrior that has shit gear
is like 36% versa
and its 50%/50% versa amps / gush
manic arrow
:NotLikeThis:
But how, check this up — https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/gutalax
There is nothing to do with that imo
Or I'm missing something special
lime light
475 voodoo is super insane
the trinket has rly good scaling ilvl wise
your cloak is not max lvl
and u are missing corruption on 2 items
manic arrow
Oh, boots also, true
manic arrow
But if cloak cap is around 120 I can't put 2 more +12% vers anyway
lime light
i would suggest playing vitality condult if u struggle to survive, but as far as i know
manic arrow
True
lime light
cloak caps at 125
lime light
the more passiv u are, the better rdru u will be
manic arrow
Not sure if it's really a big deal
lime light
playing melee cleave
manic arrow
Sounds like the same as playing mlx
lime light
no
u wanna be active playing mlx
playing cat form
cuz u have insane peels from both casters
and u can spend more mana
cuz u can also drink
when they have good pressure
sacred path
I’m sure most of you guys would think I’m terrible.. But trying to find a decent partner..🙁🔨
Rusty af coming back from WOTLK mostly running 2’s.. This was a rough season to come back to lol
wind lagoon
Yes definately a hard time to return at the end of this patch if you didn't have the full time to collect all the gear and corrupts
dim stump
You guys think lunar inspiration will be used at all for feral in SLs?
obtuse ice
no
stray sigil
@obtuse ice yes
stray sigil
@obtuse ice yes my baguette
exotic wolf
Hello,
what do you guys think about covenants in shadowlands?
Any good insight in what to choose?
tepid spoke
Necrocock
compact tide
Venthir
dim stump
has anyone else done any dueling in the ptr?
I can win most duels on live, but lost almost every single on ptr
i dont know if its me, or if the class if just in a much worse state?
stray sigil
i havent but youll be a lot less tanky in shadowlands so
lose wall and all this dumbfuck vers corruption so your tankiness takes a big hit
dim stump
yeah i felt that when i got one shot in a cheap shot with iron bark on
dim stump
I ahte playing the uber popular classes, rouge is like the second most popular pretty sure
obtuse ice
Shhh@rigid linden
hollow fjord
rogue's overtuned (or not tuned whatever) on the beta tho
blazing birch
what covenant are pvp boomkins leaning towards?
tiny oar
Beautiful
smoky sail
Aight alting rogue was the best decision I made in my life
sacred path
Feral was beyond broken when Bc first launched then they were buffed shortly after. Have faith my furry friends
- only reason I ever got glad 😂😉
Gotta give you class hoppers credit tho. Takes a while to drum in all those hotkeys and spells. Few times I wanted to cyclone with my warrior 😂
shrewd egret
This might be stupid, but do you think UHDK could work with feral in 3s? (in shadowlands) Ik its not optimal but would it even be decent? I usually play resto but I want to try out feral in SL (a dumb move im sure lol)
lime light
i swear ppl dont use brain anymore, u understand that, its beta that works like early alpha, where they gonna change numbers or even spells how they work
few times
till the release
and after that there will be also changes when heroic raid is out
till they give us, pvp season and mythic raid
yes, feral and unh was a good comp in the past
ebola
but who knows how meta will be
feral is super shit on beta right now, there is almost no reason to play it over any other melee
feral brings only big offheals to the table
that dk dont need
lime light
as dk u want mortal strike or insant cc chain
as feral u want some sqishy class with big dmg
stray sigil
yes
obtuse ice
No
heavy cairn
Honestly I’m surprised feral doesn’t have MS at this point. Playing without an ms on your team doesn’t feel that great. And off heals don’t really matter cuz you oom so quick and they get effected by damp
Even dh is getting ms lol
stray sigil
@obtuse ice
lime light
thats why u play with a hunter
tiny oar
eager leaf
quick question, which covenant ability do you think will be the best for a pvping druid? either resto or feral
sand spade
So Feral is really bad, what about Balance?
hoary ledge
What are the best covs looking like for boomy and feral?
hollow fjord
probably necrolord
heavy cairn
Necrolord mog looks sick
dull quartz
Necro bis
stray sigil
venthyr or ur a bunch of pussies
stray sigil
@obtuse ice which one is yes and no
obtuse ice
no venthyr
stray sigil
ill redeem my free ban for u on cass stream
obtuse ice
yes bunch of pussies
stray sigil
ur done for
obtuse ice
@stray sigil ily
high swan
That looks awful lol
hushed bluff
Thanks but no thanks lol
stray sigil
@obtuse ice ily2, imisu
lime light
Easy solution
U are main resto -> roll disc
Main boomkin -> roll magus
Main feral -> roll rogue
Woaho and now u can Play most broken comp sińce classic ofc
forest kite
pretty sure resto will still be great
but yea people playing feral are really doing themselves a disservice by not being a rogue
tiny oar
#GiveFeralAnMS
rich crag
I think rogue's are the most fun to beat 1v1 arguable with a DH as feral. lol
keen drum
Faith in tuning
elder widget
Does anyone here go as guardian in BGs other than for flag-carrying? Just wondering. There were times when this was a little stupid because you basically wasted a spot that could have been doing real damage or healing, but with all the AOE from essences / PVP talents, might not be all that terrible?
sacred path
@elder widget I mean I’d think you could guard a cap flag in AB or whatever quite well. Also seen a few in the 1800-2k bracket. I don’t think they’re bad just wacky and niche
heady vessel
you can go guardian for base defense, or something like kotmogu as well
sacred path
Also kinda awesome in epic bugs, just tank literally all the mobs
heady vessel
but for a teamfight, then i wouldn't really take tank, it's just a niche pick if you desperately need a base defender or wanna try and cheese kotmogu
or flag carrying ofc
ebon vortex
rmp is never not broken
i don't think there's been an xpac where is hasn't been super strong
elder widget
Maybe that's their universal measuring stick
lime light
@ebon vortex u had to be good to Play RMX before legion/wod
ebon vortex
well yeah but in the right hands it was just as good as it is now
except with all the stuff now any brainlet can play it
smoky sail
KS off sheep Dr 
smort/20
short fjord
Hello Druids how is resto looking for slands pvp?
obtuse ice
NO
short fjord
Why
obtuse ice
It's really funny to think that only casual players ask if a class will be strong cause someone good won't ask because he knows cuz he's good, but a casu ask bcz he don't know but it doesn't matter cause he don't play the game enough so the class matters
forest kite
speaking of resto, how much better is necrolord for arena than night fae?
i really badly wanna go night fae because of the tmog, but adaptive swarm just seems like a must-have
short fjord
@obtuse ice or maybe I don’t have beta and actually don’t play a healer at all and I’m in here trying to see what my main healer will play in slands?
I promise you I know how the classes I will be playing are doing on beta
obtuse ice
So you play what'strong and not what you have fun playing on 1st
And you really think a meta can be drawn already? 2nd
tardy hare
I dont even know what im eating tonight
short fjord
Jesus you’re a dickhead for no reason huh? Hard to imagine that certain healers play better with certain dps? Imagine that?
Fuck off
tardy hare
Question isnt really simple tho
short fjord
I said how are they looking
tardy hare
Which is like asking what are the lottery numbers
They are looking like shapeshifters
tardy hare
So imagine if we say "fine"
hollow fjord
apparently rdruid is pretty good
short fjord
An appropriate answer would be from someone who’s been playing it on beta “they feel great right now but maybe a little over tuned”
Or whatever
Like I’m not an idiot I know shit changes
tardy hare
Okey they feel like rdru
compact tide
@teknyx to be honest this is a discussion place... so if u wanna now whats good whatch a video bro. Ofc we all not happy night fae has been putto the ground or that we have to take venthir or something for pve so please justa whatch cdew videos and refrain from getting us all mad
tardy hare
Video doesnt really tell you shit either rho
Fun compilation of moments it goes well
Or compilation of how shit it is cause someone is salty
obtuse ice
I'm not against asking questions but like
compact tide
Nah u got cdews fuide on how it works streangths and weeknesses
obtuse ice
It really feels pointless to ask how's a class rn
short fjord
I literally just asked how something feels going into new xpac
That’s an appropriate question for this discord
tardy hare
Yeah but no matter the truth behind the answer youll accept it anyway
So we say
We dont know
compact tide
Im not againts it either but i feel like hes some disc priesta that came here to ask us how druids are doing and did this on all the class discords
compact tide
Exactly
short fjord
And our pvp discord is way more welcoming than this one
My healer is considering rdruid as his main
tardy hare
So how does your pvp discord make people happy that ask questions that are completely relative to how someone feels
short fjord
And I wanted to get a feels for how it’s doing
lime light
u cant tell how good class is in pvp, till u see how meta will change
compact tide
Touchy feely warriors
obtuse ice
Or it will give him an excuse if he sucks at it during sl ?
short fjord
Actually no
tardy hare
Or complain cause its shit
short fjord
You didn’t give me anything
tardy hare
Okey
short fjord
Which is fine
tardy hare
Rdruid feels amazing
short fjord
I would have rather had no answer
tardy hare
Now let ur healer swap to it
short fjord
Than someone talking shit
obtuse ice
It's more than
tardy hare
Just have ur friend try it out
obtuse ice
There is no answer to you question
lime light
rdru is 2nd best healer on beta, but it will change ten times before s1 opens
short fjord
If someone asked me how arms looks going into slands I could give them an answe
tardy hare
How do u even measure best for pvp in a beta
short fjord
I didn’t even ask that
lime light
when u press one shadow mend your hp is fully filled twice
and if u press mindgames, someone dies
tardy hare
I wasnt saying that to you tek
lime light
cuz its bugged and overpower
compact tide
Ok r druid is looking to beone of the most op healers it will have extra cc depending on its affinity
tardy hare
"arms warrior is gonna be like warrior has always been, u run to target and kill"
compact tide
Aon too ogf that the playstyle is changing in the sense that u no longer intant swiftmend and stuff like that
obtuse ice
How's arms in sl @short fjord
compact tide
But according to pros its one of the most promising healers with disc priest
short fjord
It looks great, got a lot of tools back that add utility and is doing great damage in pvp looks like shit in pve
lime light
like its pointless to ask whats good on beta right now, there is soo many bugs/overpower shits
compact tide
But then it will be the best mythic plus healer cause of its mastery and it will get nerfed to the ground
lime light
that will be reworked or removed for sure
tardy hare
The moment where you say great dmg kn pvp shit in pve
Is where it all goes wrong
Those usually kinda like come together
compact tide
Man u seei told u he wasnt a druid.
. Druids are smart
lime light
lmao
short fjord
Well that’s not the case with arms actually
Arms doesn’t have rage gen issues in pvp
tardy hare
Poor man been playing warrior for 16 hours straight can't be good
short fjord
And it hits hard
short fjord
Still can be an issue
But it’s less so in pvp
Still dealing with rando dmg
And you have enough rage generally for the uptime you have
compact tide
Broski this is the druid discord... not the warrior one there is probably like 1 person that cares about this atm and its u
compact tide
After final tunning come back and ask again
obtuse ice
I asked
lime light
spergs
compact tide
We will give u a dope as awnser
obtuse ice
too
tardy hare
in the end ur buddy just gotta try out the class anyway tho
compact tide
Yeah sorry im kinda being a dick... bad day sorrys
short fjord
The reason for me being here is he is worried that Druid will not do well with melee comps
tardy hare
just gonna be a bit sad if we tell him its amazing and then it all goes to shit
short fjord
Like in bfa atm
compact tide
It will do well
heavy cairn
I mean it’s blizzard so I’m sure tuning will be all over the place 🙂
tardy hare
only reason druid doesnt do well in melee comps
is cause of random corruption shit that came out of nowhere
compact tide
U got a ton more defensives
tardy hare
anyhere else druid was an amazing melee healer
compact tide
And as long as u dont get loked out ur unkilable
heavy cairn
Rdruid is usually just an all around good healer can heal many comps
tardy hare
also druid isnt really that bad of a melee healer anyway
compact tide
So if hes a good healer he should be more than good
tardy hare
its just that mw monk and hpal or on a different level than all other healers
short fjord
I mean that’s what I’ve been saying I think he’s just gotten spoiled playing with destro a bit this season
heavy cairn
I could see sp getting nerfed
short fjord
I want to play tsg with him mainly Which in my head sounds really strong at least from what I’ve been looking at
tardy hare
tsg usually fine ye
heavy cairn
Especially early in xpac
tardy hare
just gotta know what weird stupid shit they're gonna discover
until they will yeet away the rdru
for the random OP
short fjord
Ok thanks for the chat/info
tardy hare
mans just gotta try what he likes to play
short fjord
He likes Druid, I like playing with a Druid but we want to play a food comp still
compact tide
compact tide
Here u have cdew expalining his view of this class
compact tide
This is all the info u can get for now
ebon vortex
before the expansion is out
short fjord
I watched that vid before I hopped in here
tardy hare
listen to your heart
ebon vortex
play what you think is fun
ebon vortex
its still beta, resto just had a massive nerf to some leggos the other day
tardy hare
🧠
ebon vortex
shaman was one-shotting a couple weeks back
compact tide
Than dosent mean the resto druid kit isint op
Man they got incap roar or maime...
Thats op
compact tide
And on top of that clone baseline
short fjord
Yea I just exclusively play with this guy and want us to do well. I get that to a certain point comps are pretty open to whatever but don’t want to make it harder than it needs to be
tardy hare
just play what u like first
compact tide
And on top of that they are gonna be a good healer in output as they always are
ebon vortex
if you play something you dont like and are bad at you will do worse than something you like and are good at
tardy hare
then get a 2nd char if necessary tbh
ebon vortex
if you play rmx because its fotm but your players dont know whats happening youre not getting past 1.4k
tardy hare
am just gonna go ret/feral/x with my buddy again cause we like the specs
true pendant
I laugh hard when ppl say stuff will change 10 times until launch
When they havent changed much in the last builds
compact tide
U can always play balance druid with heart of the wild... best healer in game
And the heart of the wild legendary
lime light
they will relase the game like that in alpha state
ebon vortex
they just changed like 3 of the 4 resto exclusive leggos wtf
compact tide
Xd
ebon vortex
how is that not a big change
lime light
but s1 wont start before half of the november
short fjord
These last few builds have been pretty minor across the board
tardy hare
aye but after HC week
compact tide
S1 starts on heroic week right
tardy hare
gonna be big shitfest again
true pendant
Time is ticking and blizz foes duck all
ebon vortex
it should do
compact tide
Its starting in mythic week?
lime light
disc with mindgames is like 2nd dps
lime light
make a pally reroll disc
tardy hare
never happening
ebon vortex
mindgames is dispellable at least
short fjord
I played a bit of feral ret 2s before and its fun
true pendant
Disc mm sub sp
tardy hare
i mean
regardless of the state
am gonna play ret fera for the first 2k rating atelast anyway
cause its boring af
true pendant
Ret does hit lol
tardy hare
to play with healer vs the shitters
true pendant
Play with rog/war
compact tide
Is mindgames a curse?
true pendant
Magic
compact tide
Well thats fucked
ebon vortex
the real scary priest thing is thoughtsteal
lime light
cuz both classes are broken as usual
compact tide
Nah they dont steal shit from druids
tardy hare
im gonna be angery if they have frost mage meta
lime light
they steal reju
true pendant
Yeah everyone plays mlx on beta 😀
lime light
lmao
ebon vortex
litterally the most used resto spell
compact tide
Im a boomie i dont give a fucjkk