@slate nimbus u might consider taking off the xmas hat tho
#pvp
slate nimbus
nah, i'm always ready for xmas with this avatar
lime light
slate nimbus
also con for gush that u almost can wear gush cap atm
like in 2 weeks u can have 9 gushes and be under 40
slate nimbus
nah seems like gush is just meme or so situationally only in 10+ m games where u cannot die
but jk, i can't make 2 different sets with gush and versa
and also, even with full gush, it will be better in long games if u r failing with ur rotation so hard and need some passive dmg outcome
lime light
The question is
If its worth to get one gush
With full versa amps
It.might deal decent dam, cuz of the big versa, but uptime might be rly dog, at least for me, cuz i dont have any Item with haste
slate nimbus
u won't know it for sure cuz
there is no sim profiles for pvp
u can only compare percentage of gush overall and how much versa u loose for that
pallid coral
@slate nimbus ```nah, i'm always ready for xmas with this avatar
Hell yeah
buoyant dragon
lol disc roug unable to win as rdruid lock now
slate nimbus
ok so about 2x 485 gushes
i were 52.5 vers w/o it
and became 44.4 if i would use 2x gushes
so the question is if 2x 485 gushes will do 8% overall
and i can't check it 
unless i purify my 485 items
lime light
Check on tr
pallid coral
i'm using a 475 and a 470 gush and it did 7.5% in my last game
lime light
But u dont have sockets
Ye idk about the gush, if its worth or not
7.5% seems decent
But depends on uptime on target
And what was the maut dmg
slate nimbus
maybe 2x 485 gushing is way to go, but no more
feral prawn
2% avoidance meta
slate nimbus
i just lose 17 unbuffed versa plus 40% (not raw amount) from procs for 6 gushings in my current gear
unique cairn
the vers nerf has not come in yet or?
ohh wait nvm it was only in pvp 😛 duhh 😛
gonna do a skirmish and se what it lands at 😄
concidering 2 gushing just to round out corr in my pvp gear
livid wasp
so unsure what to do just gonna see what everyone does rofl
tiny oar
Pretty much
unique cairn
got 1 cus i had a seperate offhand i could use it on with better stats for pvp 😄
slow hedge
guys im playing resto in 2s and i struggle way too much to survive demon hunter, i tried to stack versa amp% since i'm main target most of the time, but that ain't going to work now after versa nerf, any idea on how to increase my suvivability?
pallid coral
continue stacking vers amp
feral flicker
I have full vers amp stack, but I have 3 vers/mastery pieces with gushing for if I feel like I'm not gonna get focused
Haven't tested them yet but should be nice sustained deeps
static steeple
vers % will catch up to what it formerly was as we get more resistance
especially now that we have vers I
winter knot
you need 40 more resistance for it tho, its like 3 month of irl time
lime light
@slate nimbus how is testing
slate nimbus
waiting rt for 2nd carapce boots
unique storm
Is big gush moonkin having any success?
pallid coral
Bicmex streaming tourney poggies
lime light
y
kindred sedge
So I can either use 2x gushing...1x gushing 1x Masterful (12% mastery amp) or 3 6% versa amps... what you guys think? (feral pvp)
pallid coral
not bad lol
vast vapor
choosing what to go for pvp is such a struggle
even more when u want to play all the specs there
vast vapor
yeah I already have multiple versa3s, been feeling pretty good even on boomkin playing lucid burst
prolly the way to go for ferals too 4real
livid wasp
looking forward to face that DK/DH with full gushings
vast vapor
yeah its prolly a lot more dmg, the dh mastery oneshot build is rly broken too
even more now as we cant get that much versa
kindred sedge
is 1-2 gushing worth going for ? has anyone got 1-2?
clear pulsar
Nlite made top 6
They beat ratapai
And play vs diabolus friday
WCG vs Coffin Dance on other semi
Same top 8 as last week I think
Just method black on lower
wise valley
I hate this game
tardy hare
mood
stray sigil
@clear pulsar ur playing on tr?
left depot
I'm ready to lose to c9 round 1
@clear pulsar It's OK, you need to in order to reverse sweep
slate nimbus
fucking 2x 485 gushings doing 5% dps
and i lost 10% versa
....
biggest bait in my life
slate nimbus
then prolly u r bad at pressing ur dps buttons Kappa
lime light
slate nimbus
and don't really know how ur 2x gushings would do 10% dps when rogue's breakdown with 9x is about 20-30% overall (ye i know that different classes have different distribution of damage, but still)
slate nimbus
like completely scamaz
slate nimbus
if it's 2x gushings, you definitely press your buttons bad, no offense
or maybe just afking behind pillar but more unlikely if u playing jungle
lime light
Those are 2s
cursive river
so do we go gushings build or versa
slate nimbus
like when 2 or 3 gushings doing same or even more dmg as ur bite u prolly were just afking in bear
afk till 20th june 
stray sigil
its 3 gushings
?
ur warden baiting me
games lasted like 2mins
and ur surprised i didnt get many bites in ?
are u r word
hello
na this guy
is def special
dropped on the head
when he was young
stray sigil
did u tbag zilla
clear pulsar
Haha
It was cool tho
We should have uh war gamed before probably
But as it happened
No way we beat 2.9k cr people
pallid coral
method orange got pumped rofl
pallid coral
god the dilly jungle have the worst fucking bracket now lmao
they play into spacestation
and if they lose they have to play the move
olive glade
Were the move playing with full gushing or something trying early all ins?
heady vessel
ye, fuji, do we want gushing now?
heady vessel
seems like it could still be a lot of dmg ye
maiden ridge
vast vapor
rather play r5 versa amp instead of r3 surging vitality?
clear pulsar
@vestal citrus tbh you can't expect method to make top 8 after the exhausting series we put them thru
vast vapor
I mean if I already have r12 versa amp, should the rest of the corruption be amps too
clear pulsar
Wait did anyone on the enemy team stream the games vs mo @vestal citrus
Prob not
Were they playing feral destro tho?
Cuz
THey have nozom
Who's a spriest right? Maybe it was shadowplay
Ok
Yeah you right burn plays with korlic and jah right?
stray sigil
ya burns on charlotte phoenix
thick lava
With all the people stacking gush I have a strong feeling it will get nerfed/gutted sometime soon
clear pulsar
I doubt
olive glade
If they keep nerfing corruptions ppl will have to keep playing to farm more echoes insert black guy tapping his head pic
livid wasp
If you quit wow you no longer have to deal with corruptions 5Head
olive glade
That’s why I’m saving my echoes for shadowlands
compact tide
u guys think versa is still worth sstacking for boomie?
zinc cedar
Hey! I would like to start doing arenas as resto, and my main question is around stats. I've put together a set with vers + mastery/haste on each, with one 12% vers amp, haste enchants, mastery gems. My stats are 13 crit, 14 haste, 18 mastery, 13 versa with hc claw and 455 vodoo. If change vodoo for alchemy trinket I get to 17 versa, would this worth it? Also, should I move my stats more towards haste instead of mastery?
clear pulsar
You really need higher ilvl from the looks of it
fickle junco
where is the rest of the corruption budget?
feral prawn
Soooo I missed the t3 versa amp at mother, should I get 1 or 2 r1 now? How long till r3 could be back in the rotation?
Or should I just get 3 gushing and wait
zinc cedar
This is with all gear being 460 or above, and yeah, the stats are surprisingly low. I have an r3 vers proc, 2 r2 tentacle equipped with this. I've missed a lot of corruption, have 25k echoes rn and planning to buy expedient/masterful for m+, for pvp should I stack vers amp, or those would be good too?
feral prawn
Great ty
fickle junco
depends on how far along you cloak is. if you are behind by at least 4 weeks having a r1 verse amp could help smooth over weeks where a r3 would put you over. also depends on how much base secondary stat as the % depend on how much you have.
Masterful r3 was last cycle. so likely 4 weeks away before you see it again.
lime light
@slate nimbus what u playing ? I see most of the ferals just Play full gush on vers mast gear
Or mix vers gush with more gush
feral prawn
@fickle junco my cloak is at 86 resistance, I guess I get 3 gushing now and wait for the r3 versa to show up
slate nimbus
i tried gushes and it was useless af on high rated arenas, gonna play full versa next saturday
and gonna check average maut dmg from few 3v3 sessions to make a decision should i purify it for versa or not
fickle junco
Ferals down there \ / are going 100% crit with TF up.
sure, just make sure you get more ecchos.
clear pulsar
Well traits are nerfed in pvp so not possible
But I can make an actually reasonable set that puts me at 50% crit during tf in pvp
With 20% vers and 70% mastery
fickle junco
i think i had 70% with non... oh wait. im compensating for having guardian gear while i work on getting feral. (the unbound Force)
and void twisted trinket for like 1500 extra crit
knotty coyote
Hi. I am playing resto a learning pvp. I have currently 20.6% haste, 14.6%mastery and 26.7% versa. I have r6 versa amp, r6 versa proc, r2 haste amp and r2 mastery amp. Should I go more versa amp, get rid of versa proc? I heard that the proc is also very good and high uptime. So I combined it.
Full equip socketed, all versa gems. Only wrist from mechagon dont have versa (they do dmg on use)
coral wind
depend on v2 or v3 ?
knotty coyote
2v2 sry
coral wind
for 2s you want versa and haste prio
for 3s you want versa and mastery
once around 20% haste in 2s you stack versa
knotty coyote
So get rid of mastery amp for haste/versa and more equip to versa/haste?
coral wind
yup
knotty coyote
Great. I will try to be at 20% haste, rest all versa. Thank you.
I am playing with DH. He has raden weapon, another weapon with tentacles, rest gw
coral wind
maybe try to replace 1 versa proc with 1 versa amp
better to rely on constant tankyness than random proc
but still good to have 1 proc 3 it will get amplified nicely with the versa amp
knotty coyote
I will buy it next reset, when r3 amp is back on
tardy hare
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stark carbon
Hey! I am trying to push rating in arenas and was wondering what stat weights I should aim for as a balance druid? Do I want specific % of mastery/haste/vers before I venture further?
compact tide
30 percent versa for boomie is more than enough right?
i mean 30 percent and 2 gushing is fine
cause uinless i scoketeverything 50 is gonna be ahrd
pure holly
All gushing
livid wasp
is it really worth farming 475 maut weapon over the 460?
pure holly
Slacker
fickle junco
get 3 
pure holly
Mastery for bear is the big sad no?
livid wasp
just someone said its not that much worth getting the mythic version for pvp, but the dps is like 80 points higher
fickle junco
85 points for 1% verse. ~ 144 for 1% mastery. depends on what you are after but Verse tends to be better.
livid wasp
in that
signal hawk
SO should I go gushing for pvp ? or not worth
small storm
it depends if you want to do more damage but die easier
there is no perfect gear/setup in pvp its always fluid
zinc cedar
Okay, since my last comment, I went through my bank and got to 13% crit, 20% haste, 18% mastery, 13% verse (2% avoidance) for my resto, would this be good enough to get started? My corruptions are 1 x R3 vers amp, 1 x R3 vers proc, 2 x R1 expedient and 1 x R2 expedient. For this low vers I'm thinking about versatile navigation, it would help, right?
solemn timber
As resto, what should i aim for ? haste versa?
wise valley
@surreal heron how do i apply for regular role
Im internet famous i think im woryhy now
tardy hare
Can confirm, he is internet famous
surreal heron
😑
wise valley
Thank you machtig when im ruler supreme you will president of good vibes and recycling
rigid linden
id like regular 😦 i miss seeing @west oasis orange so i gotta compensate
serene fjord
Guys where can I find the beat rdruid pvp guide?
rigid linden
i could even use 3x HOJ JF now in pvp
small storm
trille playing feral on stream atm 🙂
rigid linden
interesting
lime light
ye on 2k mmr
small storm
ya its very relatable dont hate
slate nimbus
ye, farm for full gush, time runs out
livid wasp
ive bought like 4 in storage soon should be able to buy 5th
first time im using my bank on wow
in yeas
for storing them lol
how many gushins is trille at
oh hes just 1 but hes pumping that hard
dunno how good the 3 vers amps he has are
slate nimbus
its not
slate nimbus
like bfa is legion v2
livid wasp
it was aaages ago though
livid wasp
thats the way I like it, im afraid theyll make some radical changes some day
and ruin the spec
slate nimbus
wut? not really fun to play spec where u can smash buttons in any order getting same output
like it's not garbage but not good either
livid wasp
was that meant in the dh channel
slate nimbus
even with only 1 snapshot people manage to spend it on shred, remember the times when it was matter KEKW
lime light
frist of all, he is playing with hpriest, 2nd he aint quint into locks, once he will learn how fun is it
slate nimbus
snupy>trille
tardy hare
sleek oriole
I reeeeally suck at pvp with resto and at this rate i will get conflict rank 3 in 15 weeks
Any suggestions?
tardy hare
livid wasp
hpriest a lot better than disc as a partner then?
clear pulsar
Read the pins, play the game, ask a relevant question
With resto
I thought it was his partner
Lmao
Put hots up. Use defensive when enemy uses offensive
livid wasp
I wanna see trille queue into cassidy
lime light
the teams he que into are kinda questionable
ngl
the only decent team was with iamvp
lime light
wait
the zen
is like 70% haste wut
his greater heal
is legit under 2 sec
or some shit
slate nimbus
trille>cassidy confirmed
heady vessel
ye, wth was that
slate nimbus
stack gushings, u will know
lime light
lol
livid wasp
fun facing some rogue mage priest where 21% of their dmg is gushing
hunter dead almost always
slate nimbus
i think for most people would be good to add versa dmg percentage in details 
willow granite
Stacking gushing is worth guys? 😛
fickle junco
hmm can brambles proc gushing wounds?
slate nimbus
yes but doesnt really matter if u r dealing dmg every second
willow granite
Guuys what form of druid i can hibernate? xd Or noone 
heady vessel
all except balance and treant form
willow granite
Ok nice thanks
tiny meadow
Currently 1970 in 2's w/ holy pally can't seem to beat rogues + almost anything unless they fuck up their opener. Am I playing bad or is this just the way shit feels as boomie vs rogue? Especially in a post verse amp/conflict nerf world.
tiny meadow
Kind of what it was feeling like tbh
And the other comp that feeels like near un-killable is DH+w/e just mana rift mana rift mana rift mana rift
split timber
Feral druid, what is wrong playing with less versatility but with tanking absorb trinkets
olive glade
What tanking trinkets are you running?
split timber
Maut trinket and bandages
They both have agilitx
Thee give me in pvp 250k absorb
Then I also have two times survival instinct
tardy hare
Yeah but u lose a chunk of damage for it
split timber
Because of not having dps trinkets?
void dome
Are resto druids still stacking vers amps after the nerfs in arena? Deciding what to buy, at 20% vers without amps atm
sleek oriole
Read the pins, play the game, ask a relevant question
@clear pulsar yeah i did those already? And thought this was a helpful discord instead of ego flexing on geniune seeking help. If i wanted this kind of attitude i wouldve just spam ask in general chat. There is no up to date video even, what am i supposed to do other than asking on a platform that is made to discuss this kind of stuff?
slate nimbus
noone is obligated to answer super general questions to you
"i suck in pvp pls help"
???
KEKW
heady vessel
"Put hots up. Use defensive when enemy uses offensive" he did also answer you
sleek oriole
Noone is obligated being rude to me too also
heady vessel
man, there is no way to truly help with such a generalized question
lime light
" 9.0 PvP Power - Your abilities have a high chance to trigger Gladiator's Dominance, increasing your $pri by an amount equal to your PvP Power for 15 sec."
celest sinew
Return of the resilience???
livid wasp
"Ion Hazzikostas previously mentioned in an interview with WoWChakra that PvP focused stats will not be returning so the system would be like BFA. "
livid wasp
WHY THE FCK WOULD WE NEED PVP STATS AGAIN that shts useless and means more grind for an extra set of armour to carry around damn how can people be so silly
nice comments
more grind
omegalul
stray sigil
??
celest sinew
An extra set of armour lul, I'd rather have one extra set than 8 different corruption choices sat in my bag
tardy hare
love clowns
celest sinew
100%
livid wasp
idk they could make top pve gear be on par with top pvp gear
livid wasp
I believe it was like that in mop
lime light
just make pvp trinket a set like back in the days
celest sinew
I'd be less bothered with pve gear doing damage if it meant losing out on PvP stats
tardy hare
nah pve gear was a head in mop for pve
distant pike
Hell yea pvp power here we go
tardy hare
you'd be like 5ilvl below what everyone would force you to have for invites to hc or flex raids
celest sinew
Tbh idk if I'd rather just have resi back than PvP power also though
That stat always felt clunky
tardy hare
i really dont care what the stat is named
livid wasp
even the legion template system was 1000000 times better than this one
tardy hare
legion templates were amazing
ding char 110
do a few world quests
u are now viable to go
tardy hare
i had like 12 chars playable in arena
livid wasp
shitty op trinkets didnt work
tardy hare
it was amazing
livid wasp
but big blizz guys noticed oh no these people arent grinding enough
celest sinew
When concordance wasn't a major grind it was nice
tardy hare
aye first seasons were rough
but everything from the moment 1 token gave u concordance
amazing
livid wasp
yeah it was super alt unfriendly at first but at the end it was good
celest sinew
At the end it was crazy good
livid wasp
BFA has alt unfriendly written on it till the end
lime light
i didnt like legion templates that much, i like when i can change my stats
tardy hare
bfa had alt unfriendly written on it at the start
lime light
but rn in bfa its too much
celest sinew
My alts got more ap than main at a point
tardy hare
and it had syuper omega fucking alt unfriendly the longer it goes on
tardy hare
never gave a shit about my stats
celest sinew
BFA aka wheel of fortune
stray sigil
idk i still think there should be some element of grind in an mmo
tardy hare
i only play the chars i played for elite gear cause it was cool
no time to test and fuck around with stats
stray sigil
its why i liked and disliked the legion system
celest sinew
I didn't mind having to grind honor levels
tardy hare
u had to grind honor levels
celest sinew
That was ok
lime light
i think, if u are like a main charcter, that plays every day and grind gear, and u face a player that just hit max lvl
u should be able
to one deag him
tardy hare
yes
in open world
or random bgs
but not in rated content
anywhere
except for places where you get ranked
idk if u onebang people in random bgs
stray sigil
i think if u have a character thats like months old vs day old
the months old should have an advantage
tardy hare
heck use every pot in the game to one tap fresh idiots
lime light
no, like back in the days, u could farm ppl with trash gear
lime light
ye
celest sinew
Tbh it's chill older chars having some advantage
lime light
rn in bfa
celest sinew
It just shouldn't be one so gear is vastly better than skill
lime light
we gonna farm corruption
and refarm it
every month
cuz they gonna keep nerfing the best one
tardy hare
I just want an equal fight with people
Do u know how much i do to be viable
and still be outviable'd by people who are more lucky
lime light
like my favorite thing from dev's recently, after they nerfed gush - "we wanted to leave a gush rly strong, cuz it was very rare" = so in their brain = luck = skill = damagur
tardy hare
but i still dont have some op ra den weapon that just randomly claps top damage too
celest sinew
Honestly vers feels so weird
lime light
ye, but its not all about base versa
celest sinew
Straight up
lime light
u get a lot from conflict
tardy hare
i have 2 amazing sets
lime light
and weapon enchant
tardy hare
but there's always just a random fucknut with 2x ra den wep AND full gushing
that just does more dmg
celest sinew
Having vers doesn't feel rewarding in a tanky sense until 40+
tardy hare
cause he got the fist and i dont
tardy hare
i mean
lime light
to proc gush
tardy hare
if everybody runs gush
wouldnt care
just the same
everybody does loads of unavoidable aids dmb
dmg
very boring
but atleast games are fast
celest sinew
I was quitting until SL until el gusho came on vendor so I thought it'd be fun to just see out the expansion like the piece of shit it was
tardy hare
I like being better than idiots
celest sinew
Would be the 3rd time this expansion I peaced
Haven't paused my sub since wrath previously
Even WoD felt better than this personally
tardy hare
my damage was trash
i was a dumb person that couldnt do pve rtotaiton when i first got big rating
all i did was avoid dmg
just win by not dying
and eventually they fuck up
now i cant avoid damage
cause random corrupt that cant be stopped tops charts
so much fun
tardy hare
xd
lime light
cassidy was full gush
but trille playing with this anime freak
zen
and his hpriest
tardy hare
celest sinew
It's fine, Cassidy knows a guy who's good with IDs
Isn't Zen playing gushing holy also
lime light
idk what this freak do
celest sinew
Pretty sure Zen was gushing, he used like a 6 gush set with ziqo and Jaime
lime light
prolly 2 sets
void dome
Any resto taking gushing wound in arena or we skipping it for vers amps?
clear pulsar
Last night I did some 2s and
It felt like absolute shit without like strong healing stuff
I had 3 gushing that felt entirely pointless because I couldn't afford to throw much damage out
When enemy dps are doing 7k extra dps from their own gushing
Honestly in a world of this sort of corruption damage
Idk if resto druid is any good
I mean I'm not a good healer by any means but
FUCK it felt like shit
tiny oar
It's kinda shit vs some teams yea but gushing em back on others feels real good
Fought petkick n ronpaul n I was just dead in 3 hojs nothing to be done
Dunno if more vers would even help that much anymore
void dome
How much vers and haste did you have with 3 gushing ?
tiny oar
Running a weird hybrid with mastery so like 20 haste 19 mast 18 vers
void dome
Might just skip buying then and wait till vers3 is back up and buy 5
tiny oar
But even with like 30+ vers n conflict major and bear aff I feel like you'd still get outpressured
So depends on what you're playing with I guess
Like dk hpal is so just anti rdruid its unbelievable
clear pulsar
Yeah I think you want some of that mastery
20% or so
5% mastery is easily like 20% more healing in the end
tiny oar
Ye I have a set that's like 29% mastery 4 vers but only play that with wizards who can just spam cc for me
But yea for original question I got 3 gushers and it feels pretty good just dotting both ppl n watching em actually rot
Just gotta be careful about when ur weaving cat if you play it
clear pulsar
Thing is
You shouldn't be vulnerable to getting swapped by anything other than rogue
Idk
In 2s ofc
tiny oar
Yea hoj n dk is just so deadly its basically worse than rogue
clear pulsar
I sadly don't have good ways to make a set with both gushing and high mastery
This is the best I can do
I think I'll settle with this for a bit
Come tuesday I'll have some better azerite too
At this point I'm using heroic pieces with guardian traits 
And engi helm with 1x grove tending
tiny oar
O yea some more masterfuls would be good but prolly not the end of the world
Yea 480 azerite is so huge just from the int alone
clear pulsar
Yeah I'll have some good stuff
I think I can grab the spymaster's wrap from item restoration
And buy a shoulder
1x waking dream + mastery proc
Sounds good
tiny oar
Ye that's nice I might swap to retaliatory fury over meticulous scheme
chilly vapor
slim badger
Has anyone tested a mastery gush set??? Just looking at Axtin on the armory, haven’t seen him play but I’m curious. Glass cannon perhaps?
willow granite
full stacking versa or GW for heal / balance?
willow granite
And what you think about trinkets for balance? i got that stuff but idk what will be best
clear pulsar
Claw and dragonscale
clear pulsar
Tho I think vita is better than dragonscale if you can get that
When I play boomie (or resto) I just got claw + voodoodoll tho
TREMENDOUS dam
hollow sedge
best talents, talents jcj and heart of azeroth compo from pvp (arena/battle ground) on resto ?
bronze oasis
low gear feral here. is it worth buying gushing or versa2 to put on items later on?
rigid linden
Buy 3 gushongs if U can afford it and keep them 8n bags for higher ilvl fear
Gear
Like 470+
hidden sphinx
is 3 gushing rest vers a good rule for balance as well?
my healer and dk are telling me i should just stack gush so we can smack harder but im worried about keeling over. but i guess if my healer says hes got me i should just trust it?
livid wasp
Time for me to try the 3 gush too I guess, people seem to mostly go hunt nowadays in jungle anyways
shadow horizon
Recommended vers/mast/haste ratios if you primarily heal melee cleaves? Ive been leaning more towards vers/mast, but also feel like i miss the old haste builds
clear pulsar
We back in business?
lime light
u got it on haste gear
clear pulsar
140k spine
lime light
ormast
clear pulsar
That was btw
Cleaved on a pet
One is on haste vers
One is on haste mastery
One on vers mast
And one on crit vers
TREMENDOUS variety
void dome
1.5 weeks until versa3 comes out
@vestal citrus do you know for sure if it’s 1.5 weeks? I thought it was 2nd July or something
Oh shit need to buy 5 need to grind another 10k
void dome
I’m gonna go 5 vers amps 2 expedients for my resto I think
void dome
When i switch between 41% haste to 20% haste I feel it a lot. So I lean towards haste
5 vers amps with 2 haste amps should leave me on 20%+ haste 15% ish master and 40+ vers
lime light
ye but u smelly resto
clear pulsar
140k pet
Cleaved on pet
So it dealt half damage to the lock
And 10% damage to the pet
Could have been 200k crit
clear pulsar
Idk if it does
I hit dummies for like 4 min
Thrash then wait 15s
It never procd on a bleed tick
Gush only procd on the direct hits of thrash
Idk if dots proc it
But also
The way ppm works
Having 1 more or 1 less dot
SHouldn't matter
The only question is whether dots proc it or not
Because then ti could proc on a target you arent actively hitting, like if you're kiting behind a pillar it could still do damage
smoky violet
Because then ti could proc on a target you arent actively hitting, like if you're kiting behind a pillar it could still do damage
@clear pulsar gushing does hit targets you aren't actively hitting. Like, I never tried to pay attention to that in arena tbh, but while hitting a single training dummy on both my lock, monk and DK (who all have gushing), it definitely procs on random training dummys that i'm not even looking at
clear pulsar
So blizz hates feral
It can proc on cleaving
Ofc
But on feral bleeds
I sat there for a while
Just putting up bleed and walking away
Never procd
Infernal's immolate aura cleaves
Havoc cleaves almost every global
Windwalker wdp and fists
It's procing on things you are hitting with direct hits
smoky violet
No no
Like
I would hit a dummy
And gushing would hit dummies literally behind me that i'm not touching
Like on the pve dummies close to the great seal, when hitting the raid dummy which is isolated
maybe it doesn't proc on DoT, only direct hits, and since you were waiting with bleeds it procced few times so it didnt go into random targets
i never tried to check how it goes just with dots
Gonna check it real quick
smoky violet
Outside of the first cast, almost every time i cast my dot as unholy on the dummy procced gushing
but it hasn't procced on the actual dot so far
And it isn't proccing on other dummies, but my theory is
i'm guessing actual damage over time doesn't proc it, and since i'm waiting out for the dot to end it gives time for the internal cd of gushing wounds to end (or whoever ti works, im not sure how it is), and since waiting out the dot leaves me out of combat
As soon as i reapply the dot it's like
clear pulsar
I dont think gushing has icd
smoky violet
I entered combat with this target and just cast as pell, so it hits it
clear pulsar
But yeah
Just the regular chance per minute
But like
Gush already has very high proc rate
So I don't think that has necessarily anything to do with a dot being up
I think it's just
It procs on direct hits only
Not on dots
smoky violet
Yeah i think that's it
And i just tried it on my warlock, demo, dismissed pet and just stood still casting shadowbolts on one dummy
gushing didnt seem to proc on others so maybe i'm wrong, but i'm preeeetty sure i remember it proccing on dummies that i wasn't hitting
because i was specifically annoyed because i was trying to test single target damage on a dummy and it ended up accidentally cleaving since it applied a fresh dot to something else
but eh, i might have fucked up or just be misremembering (or gushing is just refusing to proc elsewhere now)
lime light
@clear pulsar directe dmg only
But essences like
Crucible clf puri
Will proc gush
The question is
Which one of those
Procs more often
The only dot that can proc gush is grimmor of sac
clear pulsar
CLF and crucible have same proc rate
The question is
Do cof dot ticks proc it?
Or just the moment it procs
Lethal strikes same procrate as clf and crucible as well but it gets increased in execute range so can be higher
lime light
Moment IT proc
clear pulsar
I think they all have 2ppm proc rate
lime light
Looks like purification or clf
The best
Proc rate
Crucible 1.25 / clf and puri 2.0 per min
Maybe puri bis vs melee cleaves? When it proc aoe gush
lime light
So wowhead is wrong?
clear pulsar
There are 3 diff ancient flames
One says 3 + haste
And that's what simulationcraft has it set as also
clear pulsar
Just dont heal
FF bis
For gushing meta
Never press regrowth
I dont think flame procs on yseras gift or lotp heals
sick wren
I need some help out here. Balance druid in RBGs only, should I be stacking Gushing Wound + Versatility or Gushing Wound + Haste corruptions? I've been looking at some Balance Druids who strictly do RBGs, but there are many mixed corruptions out there.
unique cairn
whats the uppdate for corr as balance in arena?
replacing a vers 1 for a gusshing worth it? will get 39 corr then
or should i just go feral for arena instead of balance 😛
slate nimbus
clf (lethal strikes)
lime light
Seems decent honestly
unique cairn
seems nice 😄
lime light
The only thing is wrong on the screen is feran freanzy
sick wren
Anyone that can help me out with Balance pvp for RBGs? Just wondering what corruptions people are using.
sick wren
@vestal citrus no gushing wound? Thanks.
Alright, thank you. I only do RBGs and I know it's different from arena, but was wondering what the popular choice (and effective one) is. Thanks.
stray sigil
@rigid linden gush more dmg than bite @slate nimbus gonna say u dont know how to press buttons
fickle junco
maybe everything is dead before 4 combo points
seems strike through 4% is = to Verse if you have ~1416.6 then verse grants slightly more if you have more base verse.
oh wait, thats pre nerf.
its equal if you have 2125 base verse.
calm sonnet
slate nimbus
@stray sigil at least he didn't say that it was 2-3m fight NA players btw, rip uses are more than bites 
(in jungle)
slate nimbus
feels good to have 3.31% dmg increase from every single r3 versatile, same dmg as gushing users but can't die at all 
fickle junco
did a quick BG. went and distracted half the horde swiping on their flag. took them so long to kill me that we captured the other two points and were able to push them back. so Verse is still good to stack~
lime light
Boomy pvp
fickle junco
technically since gushing scales with the ilvl of the item the 470 would be better.
further, the verse percent does better the more base verse so it would give more effective verse if it was on the 465
rigid linden
@fickle junco o i should of been more clear, put gushing on the 465 or just forget about it and keep using my vers amp wrists
lime light
i would say, 2x gush maut rest amp versa
glad saffron
Someone come voice chat me...LOL
lime light
u cute egirl?
small storm
cute egirl voice chat incoming
lime light
or still full versa LOL
honestly for the first time, idk
versa still insane
super good, with strife+versa navi
and lucid proc
it push me up to 57% versa
with full strafe, half versa stacks, and lucid proc
compact tide
@skunt for balance in arena take the versa one and the claw
solemn timber
We got some interesting weak aras for resto?
slate nimbus
he is playing on dogshit mmr @livid wasp
livid wasp
he was owning at 2.5k and 2.6k yesterday tho
with same priest
maybe they lowered to farm echo
slate nimbus
2.6 is still dogshit lfg lvl mmr
livid wasp
well someone said earlier here that he was rolling cassidy
slate nimbus
cassidy trolled with 6x gush gear and i might get some hate from fans, but cassidy plays really bad another other teams with feral
livid wasp
hmm
livid wasp
oh well its not like learning a class is super hard
trille has a shit ton of arena xp and knowledge
he should be good
at anything
tardy hare
And he has played feral for a while before
clear pulsar
Cassidy rly bad feral thats why all these other ferals like 3akatz are making top4, top2, winning cups, etc
slate nimbus
^cassidy's simp
as guilty said, cassidy is good rn cuz he is only who stayed with his competitive team when others not playing it, You just didn't follow him and his results in draenor/legion
clear pulsar
Yeah 4 years ago doesnt matter
Ofc every misplays did u see swapxy die on opener?
Everyone does shit wrong at times
slate nimbus
good, cuz only, i got ur logic
clear pulsar
Saying someone is rly bad only makes sense in the context of comparing them to their peers
If there is no other feral player getting the same results
slate nimbus
i said not that he is bad as player
clear pulsar
Who is good?
tardy hare
I mean the higher u get the more u get called trahs anyway
clear pulsar
I'm sure
Make sure you write the words you mean next time then cuz thats not what you wrote
slate nimbus
"but cassidy plays really bad another other teams with feral"
???
did i say smth like cassidy is bad as player?
nope
slate nimbus
sadly that most simps are deprived of mind and can only spam no less stupid sarcastic copy-pastes instead of giving facts
clear pulsar
I'm just quoting greatest feral world
clear pulsar
Fuji got his wish
stray sigil
@clear pulsar dont bother brother hes special
clear pulsar
No more eiya talking
stray sigil
:0
lime light
like real talk, they have to fix that shit in pvp, legit gush is doing 30-40% of ppl dmg ;D
i like more dmg in arena fasters games, but not passiv shit, they dont even press their keys properly, and u kaputt
clear pulsar
Yeah tbh all these random damage corruptions should get nerfed by more than 50%
lime light
agree
was just quining some random shit with friends on alt
pvers with full gush in enemys
monkaS
cassidy full gush
tho
topaz python
Can anyone share any resto druid armoury / streams? 😘
kindred sedge
cassidy is running bloodmist azurites ... is this new tech??
stray sigil
no he just wants on my way traits pretty sure
stray sigil
oh god
clear pulsar
On a target with plate armor
clear pulsar
What happened
clear pulsar
He said the same shit last week
An absolute moron
Last week when he said it, TF WASNT EVEN UP WHEN CASSIDY USED DREST
pallid coral
@stray sigil he wasn't playing on my ways on every slot btw
like he's playing lifespeed on shoulders
where you can deffinetly have on my way
stray sigil
was he playing haste vers or something
pallid coral
nope just biggest vers pieces
stray sigil
why lifespeed then
clear pulsar
Highest ilvl shoulder
pallid coral
legit seems like he was deliberately picking blood mist gushing
stray sigil
uh
clear pulsar
Just max bleed damage
pallid coral
y
clear pulsar
And the 490 shoulder had lifespeed
A lot of haste tho
Not max haste but like 50/50 vershaste and versmastery items
3x bloodmist 2x gushinglacerations 1xjunglefury
kindred sedge
so is cassidy new tech>??
clear pulsar
Doubt
stray sigil
na i think its just
clear pulsar
Mage lock should just never lose that matchup
kindred sedge
is it good in 2's
vast vapor
gushing doing 30-40% of ppls dmg but they would do 50% more dmg with pure versa?
it kinda matters what the 30-40% is calculated of, do 10k dps and its nothing, do 40k dps and its kinda lot
clear pulsar
Mathematically not
Like
Versa isn't rocket science
If you have 25% vers + 6% of strife , getting 120 corruption of vers amps is an 11% damage buff
stray sigil
gushing always more dmg prob
clear pulsar
Absolutely
vast vapor
yeah I dont doubt that
slate nimbus
it's actually almost 15% dmg buff with 6 vers amps when 1 gush is about ~3% dmg increase
difference is about 3-4% when u r losing all defensive and healing shit
vast vapor
I dont know how its calculated but 31% * 1,54 = 47,74 and 47,74 - 31 = 16,74
clear pulsar
It's simple mathematics
slate nimbus
1% of versa is 85 in rating, 84.99 if exactly
vast vapor
atleast that was right for me then
clear pulsar
31 * 1.48 = 45.88
145.88 / 131 = 1.1135
11.4% damage buff
Like versa is REALLY straight forward
vast vapor
oh its divide
clear pulsar
Whereas 120 corruption of gushing is 8 gushings
So that'd be around 24% extra damage according to 3akatz
Like gushing is decidedly better for damage output and it isn't really close
vast vapor
https://i.imgur.com/l0N6l4c.jpg what about surging vitality + amps then lul
clear pulsar
Medallion too ye?
vast vapor
yeah
clear pulsar
Idk it's hard to gauge the value of vers proc, I'm sure it's fine
vast vapor
39 corru 103% versa seems pretty good to me during incarn
clear pulsar
It's a lot closer if you're full vers vs full gush because full vers will also take less damage
slate nimbus
how 45.88 can be a 11.4% dmg buff from 31% versa when it's literally ~15 ? versa doesn't diminish if i remember correctly
vast vapor
ofc gushing is a lot more sustained than SV
clear pulsar
When you are comparing 2 numbers
You don't just subtract the difference
If you do 100k damage with no vers, with 31% vers you do 131k, and with 46% vers you do 146k damage.
146k is 15k more than 131k, and 15k is 11.4% of 131k
It isn't a 15% increase over the damage you were dealing without the vers amps
It's an 11.4% increase
vast vapor
god explanation
clear pulsar
Nlite obliterated
Cassidy overrated
Long have we waited
3akatz the mathematic-god
stray sigil
small storm
mie
lime light
24% mastery amps
small storm
just tell me what to do
willow granite
uhm what about those trinkets for resto, which will be good? 😄
small storm
claw