pvp

[slate nimbus]

like FF and R&T are both for "hit and run" since rip can be applied with 1 cp

[unkempt wind]

it's a hard comp but ya they trolled

[clear pulsar]

Well

With 0

Oh

I see what you mean

Yeah Rip and Tear is just saving 1 global when you open at this point, or swap

If nlite could beat swapxy raiku

Idk if gelu merse can win

[stray sigil]

i expect a stomp

maybe 3-1

[clear pulsar]

I'm surprised we haven't seen double destro hpriest yet

Hpriest might be insane with IT stacking

Unkillable uncc-able

[stray sigil]

disc

interesting

do they just think that team is garbage or what

LOL

[clear pulsar]

I think they expect hpal

And wanted the purge

For double bop

[stray sigil]

oi hay

[clear pulsar]

Can priest shackle demons?

[stray sigil]

true didnt notice hpal

no

undead

[clear pulsar]

ok

Their inspect thingy isn't prepared for mechagnomes

[stray sigil]

what the fuck is going on

lOL

[clear pulsar]

@stray sigil can I sign up to TR as your 4th?

[olive glade]

Anyone know a good alternative to flyplatebuffs? It didn’t seem to be supported anymore and is missing some cds like dark soul for locks

[clear pulsar]

You can add

Anything you want to it

[stray sigil]

we are already 4 @clear pulsar

i was 4th

[pallid coral]

@olive glade nameplateauras

is a decent alternative

[stray sigil]

cassidy getting pooped on

feelsbadman

[clear pulsar]

Wtffffffffff

Rude

[stray sigil]

my team was a scatter

before they played with me

soirry brother

[clear pulsar]

Did you say jungle mirror?

I think I heard

MLx mirror

[pallid coral]

both jungles dabbed on

unlucky

[stray sigil]

i expected my way to lose

but

cassidy getting 3-0d

thats wild

[forest kite]

is it better to wear my heroic azerite guardian set or my mythic azerite with FFeral traits for flag carrying in RBGs?

[forest kite]

Are there any resto druid streamers?

@vestal citrus tyvm

[clear pulsar]

@stray sigil now this is what a real simp looks like

[stray sigil]

rbg hero

omegalul

i def would not dm @vestal citrus very sus

[stray sigil]

@vestal citrus i hope she sees this bro

[forest kite]

haha @stray sigil I see it lol

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

ur in bro @vestal citrus

[tiny oar]

[small storm]

pvp vers nerf

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1111529-pvp-tuning-changes-for-june-9/

[stray sigil]

nice they buffed uh dk

for some reason

and feral is a goner

unfort

[clear pulsar]

Holy shit that is garbage

[small storm]

rip feral

[rigid linden]

wowww

[hidden sphinx]

so what are we suppose to buy now lmao?

[rigid linden]

GUSHING TIMEEEE

[stray sigil]

why nerf reaping from pets

i dont get it

[clear pulsar]

The cns and vers changes are fine but why change the pet interaction

[patent cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-phoebe-rachel-excited-gif-6217699

[clear pulsar]

So stupid

Fucking hell

[stray sigil]

i mean vers nerf

[small storm]

isnt that a vers buff lowkey tho

[stray sigil]

and cns buff

[rigid linden]

Just another indirect warlock buff btw

[stray sigil]

means feral is pretty ass now

[small storm]

bc u need more vers now

[stray sigil]

if ur a mw jungle

[small storm]

33% more

[stray sigil]

ur fine

but if ur a disc jungle

ur pretty screwed

[patent cradle]

Chrysalis (PvP Talent) now reduces the cooldown of Life Cocoon by 25 seconds (was 45 seconds).
based

[stray sigil]

also means fmp is deder than ded

bro everygame are going to be so damp now

every stun is working on cns now

cns major meta

Zzz

[clear pulsar]

Sucks to be a feral druid

LMAO

[stray sigil]

i mean that wasa double nerf to ferals

triple vs some comps

insane

[rigid linden]

im actually just not even tyrolling anymre

[stray sigil]

so essentially

a 12%

[rigid linden]

fuck ironjaws

[stray sigil]

is worth a 9%

[rigid linden]

LOL

[clear pulsar]

12% is 8%

[stray sigil]

not everyones qing feral destro bro

[rigid linden]

TIme for gushing BT Bloodmist untamed GL

[stray sigil]

i still need the jaws

very unfort

[clear pulsar]

Full stack masterful with 3x mi tbh

[small storm]

welp

[stray sigil]

i swear disc jungle

[small storm]

going bear now cya guys

[stray sigil]

gonna be so fucking bad

jesus

the one time i try to q 3s

my comp gets fukd in the ass

[rigid linden]

If this post gets 10 angry reacts im playing bear

[stray sigil]

see ya shadowlands

[small storm]

cant react

[stray sigil]

ya u need to be a mod or some stupid shit

to react

[surreal heron]

big brain play, formy knowing that no one can react so he doesn't play bear

[heady vessel]

"nerf everyones dmg reduc, but dont nerf destro dmg" nice one

[small storm]

why isnt jungle still good

[stray sigil]

reason why disc jungle is good

is cuz cns wasnt working on maim

now it does

and they nerf vers

which is what we stack

[small storm]

so feral was only good bc of maim

[clear pulsar]

And nerf reap major

[small storm]

from a bug?

[stray sigil]

pretty much yes

[clear pulsar]

While buffing cns major basically

[stray sigil]

unless u play mw jungle

then ur fine

[clear pulsar]

Which means

[stray sigil]

but disc jungle

[small storm]

but mw nerf

[clear pulsar]

Specs that run cns major get better

[stray sigil]

was only good cuz of maim

warriors gonna be insane

[clear pulsar]

Like destro, arms, unholy, ww

While specs that have shit cns like feral

Get nerfed

[small storm]

well its only the corruption thats nerfed

the amp

[clear pulsar]

No

CnS major is buffed

[stray sigil]

all 3 of them are nerfed

[small storm]

says versatile

[stray sigil]

and cns is buffed

[clear pulsar]

By working correctly

[stray sigil]

no matter how u look at it

this a huge dump on disc jungle

[heady vessel]

wasn't really CnS that was wrong, it was maim being coded as an incap, while being a stun

[clear pulsar]

TSG and MLx gonna be all you see in the tourneys now

[stray sigil]

no

it was every stun that did dmg

[clear pulsar]

It wasnt maim being an incap

[stray sigil]

wouldnt proc the cns major

[clear pulsar]

Nothing to do with that

Yeah what fuji said

It was true for like

Almost every stun

[heady vessel]

ah

[stray sigil]

bro this is a bummer man

isnt locks cns major

demon armor ?

@clear pulsar

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

[stray sigil]

ya

so feral has

0 chances now

vs locks

insane

so u need gos without stuns

impossible cuz ur gonna get spam feared

gG

[clear pulsar]

This is buff to TSG and MLx

[stray sigil]

whats ele's cns @clear pulsar

is it lasso

[tiny oar]

yea

[clear pulsar]

I think it is

[stray sigil]

this season gonna be even more damp than it already is

[paper echo]

do you reckon that each effect of versatile is reduced individually

wonder what the formula is

[clear pulsar]

It doesnt matter

These corruptions stack additively

[stray sigil]

do u think

going full mastery

[clear pulsar]

So 2x 12% is 24%, not 1.12*1.12

[stray sigil]

for big bleeds

will be the play now

[clear pulsar]

Idk brother

[stray sigil]

cuz 12% mas is up

i wonder if i buy it

[clear pulsar]

Oh

Boomie is as unaffected by these changes as any spec

[paper echo]

reroll guardian

[hidden sphinx]

so what should boomie buy now for arenas?

[heady vessel]

ye, not as big of a deal for boomie as it is for feral

[paper echo]

versa was a huge benefit for boomkins

[heady vessel]

as it was for everyone

[paper echo]

ye feral is fucked

yikes

[stray sigil]

its a buff to boomies if anything

def not a nerf

[paper echo]

just wondering if vers proc can find its place again

[heady vessel]

but the spec coming best out of this is locks, which will make them even better

[clear pulsar]

I bought 2 masterfuls fuck it @stray sigil

[heady vessel]

which is fucking horrible

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

This is legit like

[stray sigil]

does this kill

[clear pulsar]

The biggest buff to mlx

[stray sigil]

bike and dres

?

[hidden sphinx]

oh that would be fun just dump mastery 1 shot boys with the starsurge

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar

does it kill it

[clear pulsar]

I'm very confused

[heady vessel]

lock already has a lot of dmg reduc from mastery, and they also hit harder on targets cuz they have less vers, like wtf blizz

[clear pulsar]

Like this is so tone deaf

The devs are incompetent af

[stray sigil]

fuck man

do i

do 12% mas

and replace my vers

or wait till tuesday anyways

[clear pulsar]

I just bought 2 but I'm not replacing the versatiles

Idk

Fuck

[heady vessel]

i mean, vers isn't gonna lose all its value and is still gonna be good

[clear pulsar]

That's a good change

CnS fix should have also brought a nerf to CnS major, not a nerf to the major that underplayed specs rely on

Reaping flame nerf is absurd

[heady vessel]

ye, that nerf is ridiculous

[clear pulsar]

It's fucking over specs that are not Arms, Unholy, Destro, Windwalker

[heady vessel]

pretty sure spriest will be fine still as well

boomie, ele should also be just fine

[clear pulsar]

Frost destro

[small storm]

getrow loves these changes

[tiny oar]

lol

[clear pulsar]

LMAO

[small storm]

im told jungle can beat them just has to be a good jungle

[stray sigil]

uh

mage lock is insanely lock mage favored

we have to rely on a 50/50 for every go

[olive glade]

WTF THEY NERFED VERS? do we still stack vers%?

[stray sigil]

ima go mas on tuesday prob

well see

[clear pulsar]

Nah no way

Like if right now we can stack up to 78% and be under 39, you'd need 65 more corruption resistance to get there with a 33% nerf

So 22 weeks

But like

[uncut compass]

do boomkin still stack versa?

[clear pulsar]

With the nerf you can also never get to 78% corruption cuz you only have 8 slots

So max 64% amp @vestal citrus

[uncut compass]

feral just takes it to the face for no reason

sux

[heady vessel]

you can get 8 vers r3 and still be below 40 though

[clear pulsar]

Not right now yo ucan't

[heady vessel]

nono, but in the end

[clear pulsar]

Yes, but 8 vers r3 will be less than what you can stack up to right now

No glyph

Right now you can have more vers than you will ever be able to after the nerf

There are limited slots you dinguses

It's 8% per slot max

So you could get to 96% inc, now only 64%

Rn you can get 78%

[harsh jasper]

I'm confused, wouldn't it just be a 33% reduction in the difference from our base verse, to the verse rating with Versatile?

IE, if you have 20% versatility without Verzatile.....but then put on your Versatile corruption and now you have 50% .......after the patch you would only have 40% versatility ( 33% of the 30% difference from Versatile) ?

[clear pulsar]

And be under 40

Yes

It's a nerf to the corruption

Your numbers are way off

@vestal citrus masterful will be the same amount of damage reduction tho

And more damage done

Compared to versatile

For destro

How do mastery and vers DRs stack?

[heady vessel]

you can have 72% now and at the end you can have 64%, so a bit higher now than at the end

while being below 40

[clear pulsar]

Here is the difference

Hold up I'd need real numbers I guess

Lets say you have 1500 of each stat

Baseline

For the sake of the argument

600

It's 74 per stack

For me

I guess if you feared someone literally just before getting stunned

Wait

It procs the doubled versa on roots?

BROTHER THIS IS MARVELOUS

I'm playing cns major on my next dungeon as feral

And using PS on root everytime

Fuck regrowth

I'll have 100% uptime on the doubled versa

Ok so one sec lemme work out these numbers

[stray sigil]

i swear mas might be good now for feral

fox goes from

56 to 36% vers

this tuesday

lmfao

[civic shuttle]

Does AWC immediately recognize the nerfs? For like this weekend?

Oh next weekend*

[heady vessel]

Dont think they do, no

Would be fucked up not giving them time to prep

[clear pulsar]

The change goes live on tuesday, it should be live on the arena cup next week

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar willy and smight on board wit hme going mas

POG

[clear pulsar]

Basically, assuming you have 1500 vers and 1500 mastery and cns major as destro, stacking mastery ends up being 8% more damage done, and same damage taken outside of stuns, but 12% more damage taken during stuns. @vestal citrus

Assuming you can always proc the doubled strife

[stray sigil]

idk if id say locks die very had in stuns

thats a wild statement

[small storm]

when is fuji stream

[stray sigil]

u wanna watch me tank 400 cr on tuesday ?

my priest streams all the time our games tho

ya i mean u can only kill locks in stun pretty much

doesnt really mean they die super hard in stuns

well not anymore

[small storm]

its ok i found an axtin stream

[ripe maple]

its a buff to boomies if anything
@stray sigil What do you mean? Can you explain?

[stray sigil]

cns major working as intended

[keen phoenix]

So basically a big buff to mages and locks next week

The two strongest classes not affected by the versa nerf

[feral flicker]

Can't wait to get destroyed even harder by destro, great change Blizz

I especially love how warlocks can just root instead of stun so we don't even get the C+S buff against their bolts

[west laurel]

What versa nerf?

Ah nvm just read it

But how Will this change anything? Versa stack Will still just be better No?

[lime light]

Blizzard as always

Make the best even matter

Might be true

But mw still top tier

[lime light]

Dropping ij next reset is gonna be a play

[slate nimbus]

sadly won't change anything on live. People will just back current numbers in 1 month when corruption resistance rise.

good nerf for jungle and buff for damp meta smirk

[fickle junco]

so if you were using 3 verse you just have to go up to 4 verse. change mitigated for 20 extra corruption. a nerf only delays the inevitable.

[livid wasp]

bet DKs are very happy about the pet flame change

[slate nimbus]

doubt that dks were struggling from that

by struggling i mean constantly loosing games

[livid wasp]

well it was quite big, two players getting big flame from their pet and then bursting

seen streamers do it a lot

[slate nimbus]

every single dk with brain already learnt how to dismiss all pets

if it's needed

[livid wasp]

well no need to do that anymore

[slate nimbus]

so that's just direct buff to warlocks, priest, dks, shamans etc in favor of damp meta

[livid wasp]

yep, fun fun

the spite buff too rofl

[slate nimbus]

seems like blizzard are doing fixes basing on the rumor

[livid wasp]

guess you dont maim kill targets in jungle anymore either in case they got conflict?

[slate nimbus]

"meta is too damp, vers is too high, cns doesn't work properly" - actual fix that was needed, nerf cns defensive part

[livid wasp]

yeah

[slate nimbus]

u basically don't use stuns to fixate target anymore

only for cc

[livid wasp]

yeah

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

wish they knew what they were doing

they could just make corruptions non-stackable

[slate nimbus]

bfa is lost

just play meta or don't cry

[livid wasp]

4Head

guess versa is still bis corruption even after the nerf?

[slate nimbus]

it is, gushing won't work in pure versa meta

[livid wasp]

could be fun going for insanely high mastery build for big bites but dunno how good it would be

[wanton cairn]

460 blightreaper or 430 Anzig?

[lime light]

The breaht of the dying change makes demo viable

Cuz every 15 sec u had big breath

The worst thing is, gonna be forced to Play 3x mi

Nice class, wall so u can do damgur

Iron Jew u were nice to me for so long

[slate nimbus]

play hod

[livid wasp]

doing big maims was so much fun

[lime light]

Nah, iam not gonna raid

Even i could kill nzoth rn

But cba

[lime light]

@slate nimbus translate what u talking about on tony stream

[slate nimbus]

that mastery is meme

compare to versa even after nerf

[lime light]

Ye 73k bite

With bt

[slate nimbus]

and 3x SI buff

i had just 76k bite same time with only trinket proc

[lime light]

Lol

Its soo cringe that destro is the best classic in the game for 3 seasons and all they do is, buff em every patch notes

[wanton cairn]

460 blightreaper or 430 Anzig?

[slate nimbus]

460 anzig

[lime light]

The versa proc not nerfed tho

Maybe that's a rng play

[slate nimbus]

why it's not

Corruption Effects

Versatile’s effectiveness has been reduced by 33% when engaged in combat with enemy players..

it's about any versa u get from corruption on your gear imo

[lime light]

But isn't versatile the name of the versa amp

Surging vitality is a proc?

[slate nimbus]

maybe maybe

but they will nerf it quickly then, cuz it's too obvious even for blizzard

[lime light]

Yup

[wanton cairn]

Why not just go Mastery?

[slate nimbus]

same time 1 surging vitality is almost r6 vesatile

cuz mastery provides about same dmg increase w/o dmg decrease overall

[lime light]

And mastery insc only bleed bite damgur

When versa works on breath

Bike

Drest

Healing

[slate nimbus]

people are starting to forget why feral is so tanky now when u have 50% versa almost baseline

[lime light]

Yup

[pliant summit]

Does resto druids still need vers builds?

[lean vault]

Can i get a quick opinion check on Haste vs Mastery for arena? in terms of hps, throughput and mana

[rustic heron]

for resto do you reckon that we should be still going %vers even with the upcoming nerfs? Wouldn't %mastery provide more efficient throughput?

[forest kite]

Think it will also depend on the comps you play say MLD id say full mastery.
Something else where you may be targeted more play versi but thats just my opinion.

[void dome]

for resto do you reckon that we should be still going %vers even with the upcoming nerfs? Wouldn't %mastery provide more efficient throughput?
@rustic heron what nerfs?

[void dome]

Oh 33% that’s quite heavy

[obtuse marsh]

Dreading playing 2s after this

Going to be rough trying to survive as resto

[void dome]

I just managed to get 20% flat base vers with no amps for my resto druids pvp gear and planning to buy the next set of vers3... is that now pointless?

[rustic heron]

No clue man, I m in the same boat. The vendor rotation is 1 month long, masterful R3 is on the vendor now so I have like 3 days to decide if I want masterful 3 or not...

[lime light]

Ye but u are destro

Abuser

[rustic heron]

I ll play mage/war/resto to help a friend get his glad too, the mage will prolly be focused most of the time so mastery should be very beneficial

[shadow horizon]

what do you guys recon resto druid average vers is gonna sit at before its just stack the fuck out of mastery?

[lime light]

fan art

[tiny oar]

beautiful

[void dome]

Meh I’m gonna stick with vers because I changed my entire gear set and dropped to 15% mastery so no way can I stack it now

[green quartz]

I don't like this

[uncut compass]

Good morning boys! What did we decide last night? Is Feral dead? Are we fine? Are we all rerolling boomkin?

[stray sigil]

feral prob gonna be rough again

[harsh jasper]

Did I luck out by using surging and not Versatile lol ?

I went Surging 3 because I just happened to have several pieces with it already ......and I was new to the verse build as of last week....so I dug around in my bank and made an entire verse set using pieces I had dumped as trash

Using one r3 Versatile and 2 r3 surging.

Maybe buy more r3 surging when they are out ?

You can use a WA to track the proc and play around that

Might be the play

[stray sigil]

im prob gonna try out a mastery build or soemthing

[harsh jasper]

Ugh, I just grinded like 6 visions a day for the past 3 days to buy all of my severe 3s

I can't pull myself to do it again for masterful.......

[slate nimbus]

just keep versatile

or surging in ur case

[lime light]

versa proc

gonna pump for a bit

and they nerf it

never ending cycle

[uncut compass]

Nerf everything but locks.

[lime light]

obv all the changes in last few months, are not targeted buffs to destro

but they always are better

every patch notes

[harsh jasper]

Yea I'm gonna just stick with my verse build as it is just not gonna socket gear for a bit

This makes me a sad kitty

[thick lava]

Since I missed the vers corruption when it was up, I’ll just try out the mastery and see how@itnis

[compact tide]

U guys know if 33 percent versatile reduction is only on the defensive side or the damages as well?

I mean cause rhe real problem is conflict a strife and the defensive side not the damages

[clear pulsar]

It's a nerf to the corruption

So instead of increasing ur versatility by 12%, it'll be 8% per r3 versatile

It's not a direct nerf to the stat itself or how it works

I think I'll do the same @thick lava I already have 36% inc vers, should be able to buy a couple of r2 when it comes around anyway, and will definitely have echoes for r3 since that's still a few weeks from being back

So prob just gonna be a few masterfuls

And hope for the best

[thick lava]

Yeah, should be interesting with the masterful instincts trait I imagine

[clear pulsar]

Maybe a full glass cannon crit mastery build

[slim badger]

What does the mastery build look like? Trait wise.

[clear pulsar]

For what spec

I mean the traits for each spec are the same regardless of your stats pmuch

[small storm]

the answer is bear and td meme build

[clear pulsar]

If you're resto, you want 1x grove tending, 1x waking dream, some stat generic ones to fill out probably

@rigid linden you like?

[rigid linden]

dont care

shit game

shit spec hasnt been touched since 8.1

[clear pulsar]

I know brother

I know

The only time it's relevant

Is cause of a bug

That gets hotfixed with no compensation

Feral legit the biggest loser of this patch

And destro the biggest winner

[lime light]

+1

dogshit spec

iam qing blood dk hpal

leggo

with ruskis

[clear pulsar]

I'm gonna queue

With some squishy caster that people love to train

So I can be glass cannon crit mastery build

[neon isle]

@clear pulsar 👋

[lime light]

iam trying a lot of shit with lfg on alt

but everything is pain in the anus

[clear pulsar]

Can buy 2 more masterfuls

@neon isle DESTRO ABUSER IN SIGHT

[neon isle]

destro is undertuned tbh

[tiny oar]

HA

[clear pulsar]

[tiny oar]

I'm uninstalling

[neon isle]

come q with my mage tho @clear pulsar and you will never be focused

[clear pulsar]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

[tiny oar]

@clear pulsar feral mage mw??? The dream is alive??

[clear pulsar]

Feral fire, feral spriest

I'd have to xfer horde

And abandon my guild

I don't want to abandon guild

[tiny oar]

I got two monks n two phones ez game

[neon isle]

https://gyazo.com/e9eb41fbe19832aa949cc011f904eb51 just need one shots or I might be dead

[clear pulsar]

LOL

[tiny oar]

I'm gonna deck my hunter out with gushers n play survival the rest of the expac

Fuck it yolo

[rigid linden]

im currently gearing up an hpal

seems like it could be really fun with inef

[slate nimbus]

got 475 gethikku on my alt warrior

[tiny oar]

BIG DAM

[clear pulsar]

This is my new set. Crit goes to 57.2% and mastery goes to 130.8% during TF and MI.

TREMENDOUS glass cannon

[slate nimbus]

tony had 210% mastery with mi up on TR. He did only 76k crit BT bite vs 48% vers

so mastery is literally glass cannon meme

[clear pulsar]

Just don't stun

But yeah ofc

Full meme

[slate nimbus]

i mean vs 48% vers out of stun, 24 reduction

[rigid linden]

Do I just bring back the crut build but this time with like 6 severes

So I'm 100% crit in pvp

[clear pulsar]

Idk if you can get to 100% crit in pvp

[rigid linden]

Probs not aye

Shit game tho

Fuck arena

Fuck pvp

Legit just gonna get this last dogshit glad mount then help others

[cedar relic]

what seems to be the plan now after the nerf?

[obtuse ice]

Nerf inc

Pog

[heady vessel]

Pog? it's horrible for us

[small storm]

how 2 heal 3s

[ember scarab]

Did they take away the part of the guardian talent "Den Mother", that boosts your own health? It doesn't affect mine anymore.

[clear pulsar]

Yes

[ember scarab]

Well damn

[undone moth]

R we fucked?

[livid wasp]

yes

[undone moth]

Gr8

[livid wasp]

didnt get to 2.4k before nerf 😦 rip

[rancid pebble]

pvp resto corruption, bloods(post nerf), TD or saying fuck it and stacking stacks (haste/mastery/vers)

[warm delta]

Kitty cleave glad viable?

[stray sigil]

yes

theres a kitty mw at around 2600

doesnt seem too bad

but if u q into mage lock prob game over

[livid wasp]

wonder if iron jaws dmg will be affected by the double vera buff when stunning?

or if the dmg goes first then the stun

[lime light]

dont think so its viable at this point lol, legit 80% of the teams are mlx

maybe if u q at ruski hrs

early at the morning

)

thats the ruskis smile ")"

[pallid coral]

for fucks sake why do we have to watch 5 games of this shit

[stray sigil]

whats playing

[lime light]

dont watch NA

lol

[pallid coral]

cloud 9

[stray sigil]

dont watch c9 games ya

when does dilly play??

[clear pulsar]

NExt serues

So in 45 mins

[lime light]

all NA games are soo boring

when they enter arena, they are focued on only one thing

make it to 60% damp

and dont die

and na jungle dying in opener

so thats gonna be fast at least

[uncut compass]

Resto Druid still stacking vers?

[stray sigil]

bruh

yesterdays eu games

were all 60% dampener

[small storm]

zzz

[stray sigil]

i love cass as much as anyone

but hes a 60% dampener too

LETS GO

DILLY

pogs in the chat

for the boys

we broke

meta the other night

https://clips.twitch.tv/ShinyFaintJaguarPrimeMe

LMFAO

[unkempt wind]

lol mw jungle can't kill shit

they shoulda just used disc into rps

[heady vessel]

into nagrand blind pick i think disc would've been better ye

[stray sigil]

they are 1 week too late for the

60% damp strat

[small storm]

dang

they were close on that last game

[stray sigil]

eh

games werent very close

def got their shit kicked on

on both series

i guess gushing was really the reason mw jungle was that strong on tr

[rancid pebble]

For assisting dps as resto, GW post nerf still better than TD or tentacle?

[clear pulsar]

Absolutely

[tiny oar]

Gushers have to be up on Tuesday right

Feel like this shits been rotating forever

[stray sigil]

fuck gushers

[rigid linden]

LF carry

ty

[clear pulsar]

I'm the destro lock now

[rigid linden]

How

[clear pulsar]

Blood of the enemy

3x mi 40% base crit tho

[thick lava]

lmfao I am still farming my echoes to get my mastery set going

[clear pulsar]

That was badge too

[earnest oyster]

what trinkets should i be using in rbgs as a bear?

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar bro imagine the numbers

when u go full mastery

truly gigantic

[clear pulsar]

Yeah this is only r9 masterful

[stray sigil]

i get 5 on tuesday

pog

60% MAS

BIG

DAM

[small storm]

u still running vers mast gear?

or trying for like mastery crit or some meme stuff

[uncut compass]

@clear pulsar you think mastery stack over verse or just for the memes?

[fickle junco]

during your kill window is your mastery in feral 100% or 160%? what about verse?

[clear pulsar]

Ultra meme

[stray sigil]

na ima go vers mas still

but with mas enchants/gems and amps

[clear pulsar]

With MI up I get up to 150% mastery

[stray sigil]

thats kinda weak

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

i think with 5 amps ill get around 120% base

but i have a lot of sockets

[clear pulsar]

You're high

[stray sigil]

na

[clear pulsar]

Or you're putting up all the traits that give mastery and are nerfed in pvp anyway + azerokk

[stray sigil]

im at 65% right now no mastery amps gems or enchants

60% of that from amps

[clear pulsar]

Yeah 5 amps puts you at 104

[stray sigil]

before enchants and gems

ill get pretty close to 120

[clear pulsar]

I'm rocking some severes

[stray sigil]

like 114

or something

maybe 120

[clear pulsar]

And no mastery gems/enchants

[stray sigil]

cuz i have loads of sockets

and i have some i can buy

[clear pulsar]

Still have like

35% base crit before lotp, and 17% base vers

[stray sigil]

crit poopoo

[clear pulsar]

Nah

Crit good

[stray sigil]

no crit bad

[clear pulsar]

Big glass cannon

TREMENDOUS bites

[stray sigil]

😡

[clear pulsar]

I think the move is like

Crit vers items

With 3x mi and mastery amps

[fickle junco]

hmm i think if you had 100% verse and 100% mastery it would be the same as 100% crit and 100% mastery only you couldn't die and theres a chance that it could still crit for a 400% total multiplier from base damage. (if i did that math right)

[stray sigil]

why would u go no master on gear with mas amps

kinda defeats the purpose

[fickle junco]

Masterful instincts provides the burst Mastery. leaving you free to stack other stats.

200% mastery better than 100% crit?

[stray sigil]

depends really

if u have 100% crit and no mas

vs 200% mas vs no crit

i think ud do more dmg with mas

[fickle junco]

assume 100% mastery and 100% crit vs 200% mastery and the free crit from cloak and neck so like 18-20% crit

and crits nerfed in pvp any how right?

[stray sigil]

ya

[clear pulsar]

@stray sigil maybe the play is

Haste mastery

Full bleed damagur

[obsidian oracle]

Is versa stacking that bad tho, even after the nerf?

I got versa in every piece except legs and have about 12.5% dmg reduction. i do however have zero versatile, and would love some more survivability...

[stray sigil]

na prob not

but i wanna try mas anyways

[small storm]

everything is prob fine

including jungle

[stray sigil]

i think jungle will be quite a bit worse

but ya

[fickle junco]

but is it verse heavy gear?

[obsidian oracle]

yeah the idea of mastery sounds fun with 3x SI

Its vers heavy yea. 2132 vers

Shouldnt versatile come to the vendor soon? if the 4 week rotation is accurate that is

[small storm]

vers 1 and vers 2 will come in the next two rotations

but not vers 3 for a lil bit

[fickle junco]

I think verse 3 was near the start. rotation 3, cant recall. but for pvp natural verse will be better than corruption after the nerf goes live on rest.

if my math is right a 12% amp of verse will be worth 8% in pvp so with that current base it will be worth ~170.56 (~2.006%) extra verse for 20 corruption.

[stray sigil]

@clear pulsar if i go balls deep into mas u think i should go 3 ij or 3 mi

i need ur math brother

[clear pulsar]

So I said go crit vers items and stack masterful with 3x mi because they're all multipliers

[fickle junco]

get both if possible i think

[stray sigil]

no stop ur crit non sense

[clear pulsar]

Think about it like this, 3x MI is 38% mastery in pvp
If you have base 45%, then 38% more is a 26% damage buff
If you have base 80%, then it's a 21% damage buff
So basically the more you have base, the less of a gain it is

[stray sigil]

mas ver full mas amls and shit

[clear pulsar]

To add more

[stray sigil]

ok so

3 ij would be a lot better

since ima be in high 100s

[clear pulsar]

I think I'd go 3x ij 3x jf if I had the items

Stacking vers mastery

[stray sigil]

bro

stop ur non sense

[clear pulsar]

Nah like

I think it's better to put value into crit than not having 3 traits all game cuz if you use wall for damage you get swapped too for free later

[stray sigil]

is 3 ij and 3 jf doable even

i have one

[clear pulsar]

Helm has to come from vision unforch

So cant even test on TR

[stray sigil]

so not even a 480?

[clear pulsar]

U can get 480

From vision

[stray sigil]

u can?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah if you get an azerite piece from first 5 mask

It's 480

[stray sigil]

so technically possible

to get 3 mi 3 ij

[clear pulsar]

No, 3x jf 3x ij

[stray sigil]

isnt there a chest from vision

with ij and mi

[clear pulsar]

No

[stray sigil]

r u sure

im pretty sure there is

[clear pulsar]

Positive

There is mi hod helm and chest tho

Thing is

If you're going balls deep masterful stack

You're already memeing

I think it's a good meme

But versatile isn't dead

[stray sigil]

its think mas is fine

just gotta play accordingly

think defensive vers is blown out of proportion

circle jerk at this point

[clear pulsar]

Nah

I mean it's absurd with cns major but outside of it even like

Taking 10% more damage is not joke

[stray sigil]

10% more dmg taken

is pretty small tbh

matters for sure

but its not as gamebreaking as ppl say

[clear pulsar]

I'm going to

Save this on my calendar

To ask you in 2 weeks

[fickle junco]

well... ahm... if one builds verse with CnS you can get 50% damage reduction and 25 damage reduction all the time.

[clear pulsar]

What you think about hardstacking mastery

Over vers

[stray sigil]

i used to hard stack mastery

didnt feel that big a difference

like if i die to 180k bolt

ill die to 164k bolt too

162

vers doesnt affect gpie does it?

[clear pulsar]

BIS tbh

[fickle junco]

i think it does.... it ticked with a over 50% verse bear. but idk how much of it my various shields ate

[clear pulsar]

Yeah I think gpy is lowered by target's vers

But not increased by mage's vers

[runic valve]

Can anyone give me some tips to do more dmg as resto? for pvp
even with claw im just lacking so much
or should i just stack some TD? xD

[clear pulsar]

TD is trash

Keep up your dots

[stray sigil]

anyways i think going mas hard is fine with disc jungle

[clear pulsar]

THat's all

[stray sigil]

u dont go for long games anyways

[fickle junco]

it deals fire damage = to % max hp. then damage is reduced on other factors.

[stray sigil]

u just gotta be more careful without vers

[clear pulsar]

Bro tf does that even mean

"Just gotta be more careful" well no shit, cuz it's worse

[fickle junco]

i tried a 10% verse build. died inside a single stun.

[stray sigil]

like fuse plays with 24% currently

and hes still 2700

id be around 20ish too

[clear pulsar]

So are you and you clearly aint got a clue

[stray sigil]

with a lot of mas

wym i have way more than 24 vers atm lol

[clear pulsar]

Do you wanna be fuse at 2700

Or syfox at 2900?

I mean

You do you

[stray sigil]

i mean

[clear pulsar]

And I'm all for fucking around with different gear

[stray sigil]

ur missing the point

[clear pulsar]

Your point is it doesnt matter

[stray sigil]

my point is stats dont matter that much

if ur good enough

ull win anyways

[clear pulsar]

The difference between

I mean as feral you never want to play cns major

Cuz thorns blows

But if you would

[stray sigil]

i mean id drop.from like 36 to 20ish vers

[clear pulsar]

The difference between 25% and 40% versa is so huge inside a stun

[stray sigil]

its not gamebreaking

by anyways means

[clear pulsar]

Add 6% more from strife stacks right?

So

[stray sigil]

ya i didnt factor in the cns minor

so id be around 24+ prob still

[clear pulsar]

You'll take

[stray sigil]

which is still fine

[clear pulsar]

27% more damage in stuns

If you played cns major

[stray sigil]

and guard aff vs most teams

ya but feral doesn't take cns vs everything beo

wven on tuesday u wont

[runic valve]

alot of the time my dots dont put out enough even with my using cat aswell

they self heal through it

[clear pulsar]

Ofc, thorns blows

But

[runic valve]

thats why i was thinking TD and use bear as offspec

[clear pulsar]

No TD is nerfed in pvp

[runic valve]

ah right

[fickle junco]

imagine this. 40% base verse is like having a permanent bark skin

[stray sigil]

sure

thats true

[clear pulsar]

@stray sigil even without cns major, you'll be taking 10% more damage

Just from that drop

36 to 20%

[stray sigil]

dude i swear 10% is not as big as u think it is

it will save u

no doubt

[clear pulsar]

Like 10% dmg taken can def lose you games

[stray sigil]

not arguing that

but like its not as crazy as everyone says

more often than not

10% more or less

wont matter

[clear pulsar]

Bruh

[stray sigil]

i just think having like 70% more dmg offsets 10% more dmg taken

[clear pulsar]

If you have 55% win rate, taking something that causes you to lose 6% of the games means you stop climbing

The fuck are you getting 70% more damage from

You aren't doing 70% more damage

[stray sigil]

isnt 1% mas 1% more dam on finishers and bleeds

[fickle junco]

you also loose 20% damage in the trade so even if you got 70% it would become 50% more damage. and in that case it would be using a 100% crit build in pvp.

[clear pulsar]

That's not how math works

[stray sigil]

how do u lose 20% dam

im not gonna be at 36% this tuesday

ill be at 30ish

[clear pulsar]

If you have 70% base mastery, getting a 60% mastery amp puts you at 112%. You aren't doing 42% more damage. You're doing 24% more damage.

[fickle junco]

10% damage loss off verse defense is 20% damage loss off the offensive part.

[stray sigil]

ya but its not even gonna be 10% i dont think

its around 8

so ur losing 8% def and ur actually gaining dmg going mas

ur gonna lose out on essence and shit

[clear pulsar]

118% with 3x MI up, 60% amp puts you at 172% mastery, but that's not a 54% damage buff

It's a 30% damage buff

It's multipliers, all your damage buffs are multipliers

[undone moth]

@clear pulsar What should i go for in pvp now? Versa stil?

[lime light]

But mast insc only rake bite rip big maim

And versa insc everything u do

With maut bike drest

Mastery is broken vs low armor targets

Bike bt bites on mages

[stray sigil]

good thing half the ladder is mage lul

[fickle junco]

poor mages. oh no, i got interrupted. better sheep... oh wait. druid. blink/block/or melt~

[slate nimbus]

in damp meta all ur dmg is dust till -40% heal

[stray sigil]

dont even play dres bike much in 3s anyways

maledict super good

dres is good tho

[clear pulsar]

@stray sigil assuming all your gear is vers mastery and you have 2k of each

If you put in 100 corruption worth of masterful, you'll be doing 9% more damage with the spells affected by it than you would with 100 corruption worth of versatile, while taking 8% more damage

With 3x mi up you end up doing around 16% more damage

[lime light]

Holy fuck the mage that plays with maldiva

Stickygirls

Wtf is this

2k mage

Doing on 3k lol

[clear pulsar]

What happened

@stray sigil so it looks like a decent trade, it just depends on what you think your damage will look like. My issue with what you're saying (playing disc jungle and going fast, no dampen) is that if you're playing like that, or hit and run, so much of your damage will be bike/drest/reap, that I don't buy into stacking masterful

But I mean

I just like looking at numbers

You're the one that actually kinda knows how to play

@lime light what'd he do?

That's verin

The same lock he always plays with

And played the tourney with

Sounds like a child

[lime light]

Gates into feral destro hpal on their face

[clear pulsar]

I mean same mage

[lime light]

Like just look what he is doing

[clear pulsar]

Where

[lime light]

Like when the ruski mage combuust someones hps goes to 0% almost

[slate nimbus]

like current meta is not just "dampen". It's ultimate dampen meta where ur dmg means nothing till huge -heal loads so game actually starts at 30-60% damp and going quite fast.
I'm not sure if spreading ur pressure will have weight, cuz ehealer will oom pretty fast anyway

[lime light]

And this guy dont do anything

[undone moth]

Whats the ferals armory?

Bjørngud

[lime light]

Idk i wish mastery was the play

But u gonna die

Without versa

Too much dmg

[stray sigil]

na but mastery will affect ur goes still

[lime light]

If u go all in for versa

I mean mast

[stray sigil]

u dont rly do hit n runs

anymore

[clear pulsar]

The meta will be crit til 50% during tf then stack mastery/masterful for TREMENDOUS bote bite frenzy bite damage

Write it down kid

[stray sigil]

i mean honestly just play what u want i swear doesn't matter much

[lime light]

GABRAGE

[stray sigil]

look at that ele going bote and shit spec

for big one shots

wtill 2.7

i just wanna do

big dam

and mastery is big dam

so mastery i go

[lime light]

Ye but u can do almost 3 earthoscks in a row + more with refunds?

[stray sigil]

idk he does the stormkeeper 1 earth shcok.one shots

with bote

and hes globalling ppl

idk how ele works but i swear i saw a 100k lightning bolt

[clear pulsar]

Fuji u see the screenshot I sent ye?

160k double bite

[stray sigil]

with stormkeeper

ya

[clear pulsar]

You just gotta believe

[stray sigil]

thats why i said

[clear pulsar]

Stop being a crit hater

[stray sigil]

wait for tuesday

ur dmg will go up even more

even greater bites

[clear pulsar]

Or less

[lime light]

Just remember to not stun kid

[stray sigil]

just dont bite in stuns

global outside of stuns

[clear pulsar]

Need to rake stun for these

Or play ij

[stray sigil]

cant stun at all

or donezo dmg

[lime light]

Iam dropping ij for sure

Lol

Sounds like inting

[stray sigil]

na i think ij good still

[lime light]

Playing ij now

[stray sigil]

the maim dmg isnt affected

its the dmg once hes stunned

ull still get huge maims

[lime light]

Ye but no dmg after

[stray sigil]

ya but if u hit 120k maim

who cares

lul

[lime light]

I did 179k

[clear pulsar]

So IJ bloodtalons meta?

[rigid linden]

fkn sperg chat

[lime light]

Big bt maims

[stray sigil]

bro formy

thats the girl priest axtin qs with

shes def uh

special

[lime light]

Maybe cute

And big titis

[stray sigil]

name 1 cute wow grill

[clear pulsar]

Tian the simp and fuji the redpiller

[lime light]

That was a question

[stray sigil]

@rigid linden what is she talking about

[lime light]

U pepeg

[stray sigil]

prob fat whamen

with saggy tiddies

ur favorite

my ruski friend

[lime light]

But the Play is, get ij bt IT on target and insta cyclone after

[stray sigil]

or better

just full dr stun

then u just maim for dmg

gg ez

[lime light]

But its hard without being nelf abuser

[stray sigil]

go tauren

LUL

or highmountain