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Assuming it scales directly (like literally doubles the damage reduction%), conflict major with all this vers stacking would be actually ridiculous
50% damage reduction every time you're in stun easily
Maybe it doesn't work like that and just doubles the stat value and has some kind of diminishing returns stacking it past a certain point?
Now I think about it I have no idea how stats work fml
stats don't have diminishing returns like that
it just doubles the damage reduction %
even more so
100% vers with cns major active is more damage reduction than 200% vers
Some stats do
Armor does
The way haste scales is the opposite of how versa scales
Like tesla said, each point in vers is more valuable than the previous, while for haste it's the opposite really
Obv this needs rework
Cns or how deffensive versa workd
The other question is if they care enough
About bfa pvp
But i dubt
If they wanted to nerf IT solely because of fist of justice in pvp
I think it's fair to say they must be discussing vers/cns
The problem is, ppl farmed it for hrs
Now they nerf
And we refarm again
And that's gonna be like that till sl
KEKW
But ye, its so unfun to fight a tanky class with 50-70% versa
Like the cns major was made for ppl with 20 max 25% versa
Yes, go get 70% versa so you can do lot of damage while being unkillable
Well that would be about 5% lower in pvp
Due to trait nerfs
Almost 6%
But yeah
That's what everyone will be doing when they ahve the chance
Kinda blows, hoping they do something about it but I don't think they will
Put it this way
When everyone had 25% vers, people would take 93.75% of the origianl damage in stuns
If everyone has 65%, people will take 57.75%
Corruptions should've been disabled for pvp from the start imo
True.
Im not sure this is good stats for Boomie in pvp? Im going haste/versa on all my gear btw.
@round dome @pallid coral @stray sigil @rigid linden I can confirm that a target with 113% versatility while stunned by mighty bash with CnS major on will not be immune to damage
noice
This is with 3 stacks of aegis of the deep for total 240 vers, 2746 surging vitality, 1187 from medallion, full strife stacks for total 512, 1428 base, 1007 from Seraphim. All this multiplied by 1.24 from versatile.
So it's guaranteed over 100% without weapon enchant proc or elemental whirl or anything else he had on.
Now it could be because he's in tank spec
Isnt IT capped at 99% dmg reduction
U always take that 1% no matter how much versa do u have
Nah
This would mean my bite would have done 688600 damage
When I had like no buffs up
If he had 0 vers
I also had 0 vers myself and a 445 weapon
Literally 0 vers
No procs at all
weird
Trying to figure out how to get him over 100% vers in nontank spec
Cdew tested it on stream
man
fuck trying to buy corrupt for pve and pvp
imma just get my mythic drest and peace out
REEEEEEEEEE
wasted 10k echos getting 2 strikethroughs only for my mindflay builds to sim more still
just gonna go for max PVP shit now
Crit is better in 9 out of 12 fights in the raid
I mean its not bad but its not better than strikethrough if ure using predator
FUCK my pve gear told me to go vers>mastery pieces
Or even in ant aoe
usually just use blood in raids too
ahh fuck it w.e
soon as i get my Mythic vex chest and drest
im pvping rest of patch
would you give up Masterful Instincts or an Iron Jaws to go from 465 to 480
would have to give up one of those traits for tradewinds...
Yeah
ouch, i wouldnt personally but up to u
Most likely unless shit 480
Like what are the pieces tho
There are 2 diff pieces with tradewinds
Oh its the helm
so... 480 taking MI and tradewinds right?
coo, ty
But just play around
Depends too on ur other 2 pieces like
If u have only 1 other ij, id take the 2nd ij. If you have 2 other ijs on shoulder and chest id take MI. If u have no other IJ id take MI too
i'll only have 1 iron jaws rn sadly but i'll also only have one MI if i took IJ 
my chest isn't very optimal rn
Wait can u show ur options?
currently only chest i have
and this is shoulders
need to replace chest asap x.x
Oh yeah
but the JF too good
Oh hell yeah
i'll want JF + IJ for that slot right?

wait is that a possible combo? 
well i'll just take MI + JF or JF + IJ and swap my helm's trait depending on what i pick up
should be good ty!!!
None of the pvp chests have jungle fury at all
oh
ah okay.

might as well not exist
also, am i looking for all versatile 3's for corruption? or do i wanna do some playing around with like... a Twisting apendage and then the rest versatile? or a mix of versatile and severe/strikethrough
@rigid linden what chest piece would you pick out of conq cap?
A - JF or MI + bloodmist or 400 mastery proc
B - MI + WFR or flag agi proc
C - IJ + GL
D - IJ + flight or fight
Ok yeah I'd take those too
if u cant go A
time to grind M+ 
Honestly dunno which one is better 3xmi or 3xij
I rly hate the thing
U have to wall for damgur
But sometimes u wall anyway, so vs RMX prolly pog
Going 3xmi
I go back and forth
I think I like 3x MI more often because
Some games I just go 3 mins without IJ proc
It's absurd
yea, fishing for IJ is frustrating sometimes 
@clear pulsar mi jf
is from m+ or pvp
ok i see
and there is also on my way
on it
what about for corruptions? do i care about anything other than versatile 3?
well versatile in general*
what would you primarily target against frost mage/disc
as feral/disc
I tried cleave didnt work
im such a noob mages reck me and they dont reck anyone of you š¦
Soooooo......versa enchant for Maut weapon for PVP (seems logical, obviously), or stick with force multiplier to be balanced for PVE?
or get another maut weapon lol
DV
oh
crit nav is the best for pve now
so either enchant every time or just pick force so ur somewhere in between lol
Can someone more knowledgeable than I explain why Resto struggling in PvP this season but has been so dominant in others over the expansions? Whatās different? Corruptions?
It kinda got nerfed in mana, but also 2 things
Mistweaver got buffed and took over all the comps resto would be best on
And
Versa stacking is big
But resto realy needs some level of haste and is very reliant on mastery stacking for healing throughput
So you're either not gonna have much output or you'll be vulnerable to getting swapped to more easily than other healers
heck rdruds
Hit rival as guardian with a holy pally but we were hard cheesing w/mind flay corruptions - couldnt handle any warlock comps pretty much and once we hit that 1900 mark people started killing the tendies. Any one experienced in bear this season in 2s got any suggestions?
Interesting thanks @clear pulsar
I do feel my druids hots a pretty terrible
Soul regrowths are the only thing that do anything
How does feral hold up in arenas? I feel that I'm getting smoked
Not played it but faced a few that were pretty good
Ferals can do a lot of damage but are very squishy as well so you need to know how and when to play defensive. Youāll probably get a lot of āferals are terribleā opinions out there but I donāt think that is true at all. You can have lots of fun as feral.
I got my ass handed to me by a feral/spriest the other day
The feral munched up my healer real good
Stack verse or rdruid, or just do haste mastery stuff?
versa
Kitty pvpers what is your ideal weapon?
maut wep
Fair enough. That's all I needed
Blighreaper
wait so Blightreaper is the 2nd best?
Lol well I just got a 475 blightreaper but I wasn't sure if that weapon was even that good.
if you have a lot of corruption
im at 31 corruption with the staff equipped. It came with echoing voids
cleanse that
yeah I figured lol
u have like 2 options
either u go maut wep
or u go more vers with blightreaper with a vers amp
Alrighty. So I would need a Mythic version of Mauts weapon for it to be good?
Alright. Thank you all very much
Is it worth picking up a couple for twisted appendages for my resto Druid set
I currently have no dps corruptions
I played with a paladin who played a rank 1 tentacle
Just to bait enemy team into killing it kekw
ele mw LF moonkin for US horde 2250cr
is the pinned feral guide still up to date for bis azerite? 3xIJ, 2xMI, 1xJF
noticed a lot of EU ferals running gushing lacerations
think putting on my pve healing set with like 3% vers is a good idea for 3s?
feels like i'm almost never targeted anyway
but if they switch me out of nowhere, i'll hit the floor instantly lol...kinda sketchy
k I'll try to build a separate gears for 3s
Struggling against dh/mw comp Do u guys have any tips as a resto?
Yes i do play relentless. No i cant restealth drink since the dh always train me until oom
Yea drag him los, root him watch the idiot reverse air then claw him and laugh as he rifts you and your mana goes up 
Nice haha thanks for the tips !
Savage glyph lol
That was from like 5 months ago I didnt even respond cuz I was just crying from laughter
The crusader treatment
I dig it
Mythic raiding š¤¢
Imagine logging on and just being able to queue arena for competitive gear
What a dream
Mythic raiding is fun until progressing starts feeling like an unpaid job
most top guilds are not on my realm
Mythic raiding is ok
I don't think I'll ever get past the halfway mark lmao
There are no top guilds on my realm either
But money :')))
no moving š
There's one guild on my realm that's 11/12
The rest are 3/12
9 guilds total have Mythic progress, my realm is a scam LMAO
5 for me xd
I would absolutely love 485 gear, but I don't think I'll ever get to that point LMAO
anyone got 68gold in their box?
damn lol
what's our meta azerite traits? 3 MI and?
any tournament streams?
3x mi or 3x ij
At least 1 JF
Or my personal fav
3x ij 2x mi 1x jf
@formal rose
3 GL king of the jungle 
2250cr ele mw LF moonkin for glad push
Hello guys, can you suggest me any twitch player or any videos from current season from 2s or 3s Balance POV's?
Corki
Corkiry is his twitch I think
Thanks.
Anyone know how much haste ferals go for in pvp? I saw some of the ferals in the AWC with a couple of haste items
only cuz those item had highest possible versa
and haste was good for gush, when some of them played one or couple
ah ok, so I should be sticking to vers/mastery items whenever possible then?
yup
yes
lmao my guildies just ran into C9 in AWC
on TR?
yeah
Iām new to PvP and playing with feral. What is CR in the Arena or rated stuff?
yeah idk their team name or what part but they are a few rounds in at least
Oh ok. Thatās what I thought.
It means current rating yes
Is it worth simming for PvP setup or is it possible to setup Raidbots to do it with PvP in mind?
Sims are pretty worthless for pvp
Imagine you're a tank
You can't sim tankiness right?
Ok good. I was wondering that. Iām at 430 iLvl
And also
Lol yep ok
You aren't hitting a patchwerk boss ofc
Still very fresh toon. Hit 120 on Saturday
And also playing feral for first time ever. Leveled it up via BGs and Arenas but very different at max level. Iāve been watching Snupy and Soullscape videos and streams a lot. Any other guides streamers to learn from besides just playing.
Yeah snupy is a good one to watch
Syfoxe too
He's streaming his tournament games rn
Okay. Hadnāt seen that one. Iāll add them
Copy.
Cass is french, tony is russian, no englando
tonyferalmovies on twitch, parts of his stream are in russian but he also streams a lot of 2s which is good to learn from
But great players
cass and tony were the two ferals in the last AWC
omg my poor guildie getting slapped
that is
@small storm are they streaming?
not a huge surprise
Awesome thanks
why did u just link me a destro lock smh
lmao
yeah?
https://www.twitch.tv/van_hendrix mw pov if youd rather
One of them had the most haste possible I believe
Just followed all of them. Thanks guys.
Mechagon rings, all gear full socketed, 475 dragonscale and vita, decked out in % haste inc, all slots with high haste gear
CBs <1s
I literally can't dispel havoc before coil
Cuz their gcd is ALWAYS 0.75
it hurts my soul just watching it
having to play mage destro into the best american mage destro
they lost to rogue mage mw before
Imagine this right?
god these games are boring
You're like setting up your team's offense
And you say
"We can kill snutz next go"

wahoo fear bolt poly spams and cocoon every go
yeah that is actually bothering me
when i did glad
our hunter was the biggest nerve dude on the planet
the second we'd say something like "we can kill zeepeye here"
you could GUARANTEE that the next like 5 buttons he pressed would be the wrong ones
LOL
hahaha the instant panic
we had to say "kill shaman" instead of using names
well names just dont have that instant reaction
shaman = blue
versus 1 layer of zeep = shaman = blue
yeah lost to rogue mage mw then the lock ww mw
o mb
yeah
yeah its game 2 now
wtf is this team doing
they sacced open
and feral shelled out of powl
????????
and the warlock doesn't have a pet
LOL
The battlefy name for the feral is
Unafraidceo

Wait you're EU
You don't know who unafraidceo is
lmao
LEGENDARY
lmao
C9 bout to play vs meta and graycen
big brainer ro9fl
eu games on friday will be interesting with gushing nerf
dude
dilly is so gringe man
cringe
i think dilly's team play into charlotte phoenix next
so the bracket has 50 teams?
Yep
@clear pulsar did you see the spite bug?
is thugonometry an actual team or a meme
who's on it
Guilty is EU
He said syfox team picked up a mw
if they play warrior mage pal i saw some of their wargames
ok yeah
hm i cant tell
nvm it's a thug cleave
thats who they play next wasnt sure if u knew
lmao
but yeah spite doesn't stack anymore xd
is bugged
oh fuck @shell venture playing into method
Stream?
lmao i just saw
i know that feral i think i beat him once and then pinged him in here like a toxic boi
Magnus team playing another jungle
Circada

Toxic af
hm isnt that the dude i just mentioned from thugonometry or something
ohhhh i saw the wrong team
cant follow the bracket im a noob
xaryu is best viewing experience atm @clear pulsar
he just has multitwitch open
and just fullscreens whoever's playing a game
xd
lmao so if my guildie wins this and wins next, they play idiotferal
well presuming idiotferal loses to M2KC
I think it's the ritual
Or rather
Rite of passage!?
Idk what to call it
But formy is the only sinister
Zev is the only notorious
Fuji about to be the only corrupted
And facetwo about to be the only sl s1
Written in the stars tbh
Syfox chat blocker is literally like 10% of his screen
All his interface, shit is so large
Like he's playing on a 15' laptop
@clear pulsar we tanked 160 cr last night
cuz we qd into 3 double destros
and supatease
repeatdly
lol what happened
w getrow and flark?
whats ur in game name
Yeah getrow busy getting carried by flark's gear
they all retported me on stream
im kinda worried
since he has plugs with blissard
bro glyph
u should see what they do
vs us
legit
group in a ball
ur fine lol
@stray sigil primal wrath
MoC not good, you need bleed damage
need as much aoe dmg
as i can
so we oom the sham first
cuz we cant trap
anything
oh ya they fucked up every go
we just pre fear
or pre knock
doesnt matter in the end
cuz u cant cc shit

who are you to say someones a nobody 
i just wanted to afk out
seemed pretty hopeless
and i turn in the stream
they all giggling
like
i went off
well to be fair, are there any other guardians close to them?
@stray sigil gushing laceration prob better, and blood mist or jungle fury. WFR (and swipe) is physical so lowered by armor, bleeds arent
like if it works and its free, why does no one play it at that level
Yeah who the fuck would want to play guardian comps
And like
Surely they lose to any half decent mage lock
supas argument was
i could play boomy but who would want to play with that
i was like
?????????????
WHO WANTS TO PLAY WITH GUARDIAN
U FUCKING IDIOT
ya he did
i played his double dk
they are dog
of they play with getrow
cuz why would he not play degen comps
i was so heated last night
ya
hes the ghost wolf shaman
incarnated
cant wait for sl
when that shit
isnt a thing anymore
and hes 2.2
bro supa wouldnt q boomy
cuz he knows
if he does
hes hardstuck 2.4
for sure
man will never win games
Oh yes ofc brother
Does he play frost? @vestal citrus
pilotting is amazing
60% increased cd on blink
TREMENDOUS
ure dad
they a rmpal team i think
prob not gr8 on tr
ya but they def wont play disc on tr is what i meant
oh
yikes
fair nough then
ive seen them q mage war hpal mostly
whos zevs partners
Ded
rip
is there an updated resto pvp guide? didn't see one in resources
@rigid linden dilly fox top 6
Watching their games now on vod
sifox using caddidys dampen build ROFL
idk why oxygens team would play WMPala against them
theyre a RMP mainteam
throwin the tourney hard
if they played rmp
they just put in gekz and win anyways
doesnt matter
oxy got fucked on seeding ig
still could of taken 1 game
TR play is mind games
when i played in s1 we blindpicked war mage disc into ppl and they got domed
cause they just thought we were FMP
just wargamed as fmp wdym?
same reason thugs team always wargames as thugbear
at the end of the day u want to win
if you cant beat em, join em?
hide behind wall for 10 mins, lose game 
The only good thing about NA is no one gives a shit and everyone stream tr quali
In eu not a single stream this time
Wish IT was not in ghetto hrs


I beat yo ass
Last game anyway
Good game brother
At least you werent abusing destro partners
Also
You got an alt to queue with my horde alt?

@rigid linden what bracers?
My corruption stays under 40 regardless, I don't have anything good to fill other slots
The mastery proc puts me at 37
@clear pulsar oi does the 6% vers increase on bracers
equate to moremthan the 89 vers
on the 3rd image
With the 6% vers amp I have 32.02% vers
With the mastery proc I have 31.29% vers
So I'm still gearing and have had a TD 2 on waist (but iLvl 390). I just got a 440 waist with Versa 1. Which should I equip????
Yes PVP mainly (or at least trying lol)
I suck right now but trying hard to learn and get gud
Tdev sucks dick in pvp
And vers amp is bis
Also ilvl is big
Just get higher ilvl gear
Whichever way you can
@clear pulsar 6% vers amp
OK thanks all
also get the on use right
:( I have badge and insignia but both 460 and no socket
While my bike and drest both 475 with socket
So if I put both of them on I go up to 38% vers
But my damage on tooltips
Like bite goes from 47373 to 44764
6% lower
And ofc no drest and bike

@stray sigil fear not king
u can lose rating just as easily as u can gain it
DO NOT FRET
DO NOT STOP BELIEVING IN UR SKILLS
@clear pulsar 2s will always be drest bike
3s will always be IMO Drest and psyc shell
Do you guys value voodoo totem over medallion 211 vers with 60% amps? Resto ofc
211 vers?
Medallion's relative value depends more on how much base vers you have rather than the amps
I'd play voodoo totem always pmuch
If similar ilvl
But idk
@tiny oar is the resident rdru now
Resident cocoon

im dogshit 2200 scrub dont listen to me
Glyph too, destro abuser
wish i had 50% vers on rdruid
maybe it would feel semi fucking decent then
that other guy plays rdruid too i thought
nujabes? maybe they quit atm tho
ye so are the r1's get in line lol
I've actually never beaten blizo
i've won games against the other 2
but i've never won a single game against blizo
Other than Versa corruption what else is good? I can afford the Twisted Ap rank1 right now....
No
I just realized how much resto affinity has stepped up since sev/strike build was completed... doin world content and I couldn't understand the huge self healing spikes
constant %health based heal crits + lucid healing/crit regrowths, I may consider using it in raid for once because swiftmend will also be enormous
gotta drop to climb
stay strong brother
wpyy
Fuji rn => https://youtu.be/py_MdrpI5vQ
From The End of Evangelion
yup depression sinks in
I wish that I could turn back time
why woud u care, the pvp is ruled by pve cock suckers
if u killed nzoth
u insta g00d
@obtuse ice get me in for the weeb game 
Wanna play epic 7 ?
What is epic 7
new dp u guys like it
is that u
That's an interesting one 4 sure formy
@stray sigil just snipe all the rogue mages to r1
mastery>vers>haste I'd say but haste isn't bad at all
Just go for as much mastery as you can and try to avoid crit
Have we had +12 mastery on mother already?
What Can i do / farm to improve PvP gear? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/eksisterar
@undone moth make sure you do +15 at least once a week for 475 piece from weekly chest, try to target pieces from +14 or +15 for 465 gear to drop from end of dungeons, 5 mask visions for 470 gear first time per week. Do call to arms quests for PvP trophy to upgrade your gear
also enchant your weapon
low versa
Your itemization is good, just need higher ilvl pieces and more corruption
and actually focus on upgrading your cloak
Oki, Can i 5 mask at this gear lvl when i Get 15 cloak?
Yeah
At rank 9 it'll be hard but
With cloak 12 or so it should already be pretty chill
Just ease into it
For each lvl upgrade
Do one more mask than before
The mask that drops shadows on your path is easiest
The one that spawn an add too
Add has very little hp
Then the increased sanity drain if you're comfortable with the mechanics of visions
And the double madness
The half sanity one is the one that will limit you the most, so put that one in last
I must be doing something terribly wrong in visions. Rank 15 cloak and struggle with 3+ masks
Could be many things wrong
Would just suggest reading the guides on wowhead and watching videos of other ferals doing it to get a feel
It shouldn't be a problem at all if you're caught up in gear
press prowl walk to the boss kill boss
ez
or
pull entire zone, press PP, press PW
ded
Oh, I'm resto main, did early clears as boomkin. Even with decent gear (468ish) I still seem to have issues. Watched a few videos that make it seem easy, but there's a few spots I always seem to have trouble and hesitant to pull too big on trash
Wondering if I should go feral offspec instead but need to get trinkets and such first
Resto with feral affinity should be no problem. But you gotta know the pulls and mechanics etc, and optimize your time/dps
Yeah, didn't do awful until mage quarter trash last week. Rexxar (and to some extent his trash) giving me trouble on 3-4 mask this week
Well the better you avoid mechanics and the more dps you do, the more time you'll have, yes
with rexxar kill the adds as soon as they spawn, you can hibernate to interrupt their cast if needed
either go fast on rexxar or take him slower and kill boars individually tbh
Does ferocious wound apply the 8% health reduction before or after bite damage? Like, does it act in damage in a way? Say (example numbers) the enemy has 100 health and bite deals 50, with ferocious wound is it: 100 - 8 = 92 - 50 = 42 out of 92 health, or is it 100 - 50 = 50 out of 92 health?
@unkempt wind im not gonna start sniping and dodging thats lame as fuck
@unkempt wind how much verse you rocking for 2s? Youāre hard to kill š
50%
45% if I wear drest
@stray sigil yeah don't be sweaty
Just play the game, season is long anyway
def demoralizing
lost it instantly
Damn axtin being a bro
broest of bros
fuji gros melon
nugget useless
Ok 16 nugs
Might as well get 10
never took 1
Or 20
na cuz if u eat more than 4
it tastes like vomit
4 is perfect number for mcdeez nuggies
Axtin are you more like pre-guardian supatease or post-guardian supatease?
In terms of physique
Cuz 20 nuggies is a bit much
I don't compare myself to supa loser whatsoever
and fuji is mad
dont even compare my boy axtin to that idiot
@obtuse ice stop flaming me brother š¦
u deserve
stop being toxic and talking bad about supa
guardian players in arenas deserve being talked bad about
Wtf this is the first time in my life getting McDonald's and they didn't give me napkins
Fat ass
bro @obtuse ice its just everytime im mega tilted off earth
i q into supa
just lick ur fingers
ezpz
Dude I just wanna queue some games
come horde
Fuji just q feral spriest hpal no voice
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK
ill q 2s with u
You'll tank another 100
My horde alts needs work
And then you'll be immune to the demoralization
Every item I have above 445 ilvl is crit haste
I'm legit like 40% crit 30% haste
0 vers
u lose cuz u bad
ig im bad cuz we have to 50/50 trap root every game vs destros

and ofc they never get root
cuz why would that happen
Bro if method black starts playing ww destro there's like no way nlite beats them right?
ask ure monk to paralize pet
Can tigers lust the roots and then always dispel trap
@obtuse ice some destros starting to play sac
they just win with dmg/damp in that case
no
Or kill mw
Jungle late comp no?
was doing insane dmg with gush
Nah
cuz u just dampen
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