only rake up to 3
#pvp
wise valley
Pw that tiger reset one moc
stray sigil
can u say that again in english
wise valley
That guy had my back
And i never even met him
Thats the kinda brotherhood we share here at pvp
ionic shuttle
pete
help
i tried asking in the feral channel but nothing
hi guys are you noticing a big diff from dummie DPS for M+ vs. actual in the dungeon?
so raidbots gives me 77k, im doing 82-85k on the dummy, but inside mythic im doing like almost half that
of course keeping up all 3 bleeds snap shotted, running predator/primal wrath/MoC
iris or breath major doens't seem to change much
like i take my rotation and all that crap seriously butr im doing like 10k less than my boomie did and im 466 ilvl. my boomie was like 455 when i stopped playing it wow
and i have raid gear too. this is nuyts
lime light
u are good troll, or insane in the brain
sturdy agate
this guy spent so long typing that
stray sigil
sims are like perfect case scenario
its not insane that ur not doing the dps a robot would do
covert fog
You should be around 5-10k within a sim tho, or you are doing something very wrong.
One thing you need to be aware of, is in order to really hit what you sim for in a dungeon your tank needs to be pull packs of 5 iirc as that's what dungeon slice defaults to.
fringe hare
that's not true at all lol
idk why this is in pvp but yeah dungeon slice isn't very accurate to an actual m+
yep, dungeon dps is not only dependent on you actually doing stuff right, but also how your tank pulls and when the other dps use their cds etc
and the dungeon itself
ionic shuttle
so im getting really shit dps when its 3 mob pulls
i think maybe you're right, i can't really do any damage unless they are 4-5 man pulls
im crushing the sims in the dummy just inside dungeons im getting crushed
agh maybe i need to stream it or something
tropic schooner
no one noticed that h outdpses his sim by 10k on a dummy?
like something went horribly wrong with the sim or the dummy
or both
maiden viper
can you soothe into a clone to keep someone in combat?
tropic schooner
I guess but Clone Range is low
green quartz
Which trinkets should I use in pvp as resto druid? 🤔
Not worth going double offensive for 2's?
I don't have the totem yet, good thing it's an easy dungeon
Thanks
pallid coral
@surreal heron ur being a white name
There's a multitude of ways you could out DPS a sum
A sim is typically an average of 10k iterations
So you'd expect that a decent amount of time you'd do more than a sim
With super good rng etc
fringe hare
now outdpsing your max sim in the html page would be thonk
if the fight is 5 min like the sim
ionic shuttle
My damage is heavily dependent on TD procs so I probably just hit too many
Anyways I’m back to boomy for mythic lol 🤣
Pressing half the buttons doing way more dam with shit gear now just imagine being a Dh and pressing even press buttons for more dam
covert fog
get some juicy SV corruption and do the big dam and livelord in pvp like me
next week im going to drop a different corrutption that im only using for Heart of Darkness for another SV, then I'll have SV r5 oof
split kite
hello for boomkin 3v3 always take cyclone and crit buff the third pvp talent should we pick the one that reduces silence on celestial alignment vs casters then switch to faerie swarm on melee comps? is that what we sshould run for 3v3 arenas with a warlock
covert fog
You can't really afford to take moonkin aura usually in 3s, is better to take thorns or guardian. I play clone, thorns, moonfeather against melee cleaves unless they have a purge then i just play faerie fire. and for casters i play clone, guardian, and moon and stars. If you play against a hpal it may be a good idea to play dying stars as they can and usually will play cleanse the weak which when they dispel one thing it dispels all of the same
split kite
nvm according to wow head guide its Melee Build - Thorns + Ironfeather Armor ///Caster Build - Celestial Guardian + Moonkin Aura with always taking cyclone according to the pvp guide for 8.3 on wowhead i think for caster comps on top of the authors chosen talents i need to line and reset more often on there kill windows
covert fog
and dying stars gives AsP when our dots are dispelled
split kite
what do u run for 2v2 for caster healer vs melee healer doop
the guide is mostly 3v3 talking i think
or it applies in 2v2 as well
covert fog
Well boomy pvp in general is just survive til dampening and since 2v2 is already in dampening it's way easier to land kills than 3v3 tbh
just make sure u always take thorns/guardian and clone and ur fine tbh
split kite
u mean i have a higher chance to climb and get higher rating in 2v2 then 3v3
lavish ibex
It all depends on not sucking complete ass, but yeah.
covert fog
Well boomy is largely a labor of love, most people avoid boomy because of how slow it can be until late dampenign
covert fog
But yeah in general 2s is easier than 3s
lavish ibex
Boomkin hurts in 3v3s that hurts just to think about
covert fog
Boomy does nothing until dampening, you can dot the world but until you land meaningful clones and cc chains all of that rot damage is so easily healed, and pointless.
Boomy core problem is it usually dies before it gets to dampening
lavish ibex
Or, you can go the Thyraz way and just burst someone down fast enough
split kite
yea
split kite
i think boomkin burst is similari to mage they do steady damage then when they burts it spikes
lavish ibex
Boomkin + Rogue and just get to full moon then use incarn + trinkets + racial and burst someone down
covert fog
No, boomy literally does not burst anything, starsurge hits for nothing until dampening. I have 49% vers and my surges still only barely hit for 120k. My breath hits harder than that, boomy damage is non existent until dampening
split kite
is most boomies to look aat frome europe ladder or does the us region have any
covert fog
one sec im not at my pc but i post a screenshot a few days ago with my corruption
this is my azerite setup
Essentially i have 27% vers baseline but with SV procs that goes all the way up to 49%
And since i get trained all game it may as well be up all the time
split kite
so i noticed most classes go for infinite stars or twilight devastation u think corruption gear that has stat buffs void ritual haste % crit % versatality haste mastery anything stat a boomkin can get away with it to climb rating or do we need one of the inifnite stars or twilight devastation corruption pieces
covert fog
So like I was saying earlier, boomy problem is it doesn't usually live to dampening. So why would it make sense to take anything but vers or sv corruption
split kite
kk gotcha
i think i got some good tips guna try them out in the game now ty every 1 not do 3v3 but climb 2v2
ionic shuttle
omfg i got heroic head drop for me today
now i have 3x JF 3x HoD ... going to shit on kids!! 😄
doop
you ever play with like no vers and see how it does?
i had similar problems last year with boomie running that high vers
ionic shuttle
lol
i think vs double melee you might want vers but vs caster cleave probably blast asss
wonder if you stacked mastery and went glasss cannon if those star surges could blast
covert fog
Maybe, if i had the corruption i'd play around with it, but game just loves giving me vers corruptions lols
maiden viper
what weap enchant for resto (mainly playing 2s)?
bitter delta
whats the status on wild fleshrending now
it works with brutal slash now if i'm correct
lime light
useless trait
keen phoenix
Just to be clear, mastery is way better than versa for pure dps right?
Or is it pretty close?
lime light
way better
keen phoenix
What I thought. Hoping for some more +mastery gear next reset then
sturdy agate
since ferals stack mastery, is having 1 or no JF ok?
stray sigil
1 jf is fine
not having 1 is fine too
all that matters is u get 3 mi 2 ij or 3 ij 2 mi
sturdy agate
sir roger yes!
keen phoenix
No one talks about incite the pack. Why is that?
sturdy agate
it says all finishing moves /shrug
covert fog
or ele
stray sigil
@keen phoenix incite is only good if ur stuck with a piece without mi until u can actually get mi
cuz cant count on incite the way u can with mi
zinc wadi
for resto pvp azerite traits, do I want 2 rampant growths or 1 rampant 1 early harvest
frank granite
Very niche moonkin only for RBGs, what should i be targeting essence / corruption / talent / azerite wise
rigid linden
Zugzug
wise valley
this dude really just linked me
s1 bfa glad
and a cutting edge achieve that was obtained 1 day before it went out of date
surreal heron
👌
wise valley
whole reason he strarted berating me is because he was in trade asking for +10 for 20k
i politely informed him of the current rates
rigid linden
He still shit talking u
ill link u my r1 titles
and u link it to him
LOL
call him a pig
ROFL
cedar agate
Any bear bg’ers here?
wise valley
i dont need bfa glad to be betetr than that fool
i got AM
and he got all his pvp cheeves in 1 day
he thinks i dont notice he got step into arena achieve same date tsk tsk
i just flex my MOP am cheeve #neverscuff
wintry dagger
.-.
lime light
@cedar agate i can be your bear 😳
rigid linden
thirsty fuck
summer oasis
how cheesy is bote instead of botd major for feral?
feel like the burst with drestagath/iron jaws/frenzy is sick in 2s atleast
full maple
maybe with 3 iron jaws idk though I feel like bote is all about getting a massive hit in that 5 second window
you would lose a lot of dmg over the course of the arena for a budget chaos bolt hit
lime light
@rigid linden
harsh ore
@vestal citrus @lime light not sure. Doesn’t matter how much healing I do, rdruid doesn’t compete against high corruption / long term mana in 2s
3s not so sure
~2100 every game is 2 enemies doing 20k+ dps
Or it’s against a mw / hpal who somehow continue to heal for full value deep into dampening
And my heals... don’t even heal anymore
Vitality major, preservation minor, lucid / rising minor
I have to run guardian affinity for some comps because if I don’t I get killed in 2 seconds
Or it’s a team that spam dispels my hots while also doing crazy dps and corruption proccing
At that point my option is to stand still and spam regrowth only to get interrupted or CCd
And even if it does go off it’s not enough healing
I played 2s on my holy pally, and literally 3-4 mins into the game I’m at full mana and my heals are healing at full value. Doesn’t even feel like dampening affects them. And then they also have immunities and wings for dps. Don’t have to compromise anything to dps
orchid ravine
hey guys, I saw the skillcapped guide, altho I'm askin how much our feral affinity dps + master shapeshifter could be important in a ww / resto comp
I'd like to climb faster, do you guys think that could be a way?
sick wolf
@harsh ore don't play vitality major
@orchid ravine yes it would matter a lot but figure out which comps kill you through everything and play feral in every other oen
orchid ravine
I'd surely run guardian vs 2x dps
sick wolf
no
orchid ravine
no?
sick wolf
sec, im in gmae 😄
orchid ravine
oh np
I'm not too afraid of double melee comp cause we have ring of peace
I gues
do you suggest using conc flame with that pressure build?
and feral azerite traits or GT is too good?
okay i'd try that
ty 🙂
sick wolf
@vestal citrus wrong
you want to fit HoD in that instead
so optimal right now is 3 raid pieces, 1 gt, 1 gore/ysera and 1 rampart and 3x hod
but keep in mind playing rampart
bugs out your soul of the forest regrowth heal
so you might not want to play that if you get hit by the bug often
its insane
gives so much free stats
and grove was already horrible last season, its just getting mastery procs was unreliable on high azerites
aka gamble
- if you do want to play 3s you want to consider gore regeneration vs certain comps as well
@orchid ravine also don't think of feral as 'dps only' tool
it also is a good control tool with ms and stuns
just need to know when you can and cannot play it
orchid ravine
I surely like feral for the rake opener and move speed
what is HoD tho?
oh heart of darkness
sick wolf
yep
royal glen
Sup dudes. Just got back to wow and have a comp question. Balance shadowpriest xx healer a decent comp right now?
wise valley
@harsh ore you shouldnt be aiming or settling for long games
ofc youre not going to compete against a lock/x in a 10 minute damp game
youre gonna get shafted
you gotta be rawr xd
with corruption/op dps classes/dampening its like a healers nightmare lasting into a long game
ionic shuttle
@formy have you tried my R3 unbound force strat yet
rigid linden
yeah was no point waiting that long to get 100% crit
it was too much setup
tried it with my crit build and it took so long to get the stacks
cause i always crit
tried with vers mastery build and it was just underwhemling goes
cant say im a fan xD
if it works for you though
keen phoenix
So incite the pack has an average of 35% uptime for me. Still not convinced MI is better😊
ionic shuttle
yea the problem is how long it takes to get stacks
and evenf i you get the stacks you might not be able to fully unload
wise valley
@keen phoenix reliability and predictability
Lets say you pop mi defensive and live, you now have a big pushback once you get set up
harsh ore
@sick wolf ooo then what major?
I’ve been told here vitality major is bis
@wise valley thanks any tips would be helpful on how to rawrxd
wise valley
Cat weave
Be aggressive
Look for restealth oppurtunities to get prowl rake stun in for pressure
sick wolf
@harsh ore imo for me people overvalue vitality. i would say its good only into certain matchups while playing certain comps. Example is that you don't really want vitality into shadowcleave because what vitaltiy does is not 'healing' but 'sharing' hp. which means you will essentially rot yourself harder by usying it
and you don't want to play with with classes with poor self healing because you will end up having to heal it anyway
eg. warrior
on the other hand, its pretty nice when you queue into mage (because you can use it while mage is polying you so you heal the shared hp anyway) or when you play with dh / dk (because they naturally have high self heals) or into teams that have high single target pressure and poor swapping (eg. rmx that already kidney shotted / hojed someone)
major essence depend on your game plan, as in what you hope to achieve and what you want to avoid
want to not die instantly -> conflict / vitality (in scenarios described above)
want to contribute damage -> crucible
want to keep the game alive, cast clones / roots lots of time -> lucid
most of the times in 2s you are going to run crucible
and about 70 % of the time you can run lucid in 3s, other 30 % is your decision whether you need conflict or vitality
sturdy agate
that was helpful as shit, so helpful i forgot what i came here to ask
floral hatch
find new friend
maiden viper
rogue and priest proc 2 tentacles, mechagon trinket, die through double skin in bear
how are developers looking at this game and thinking "yep, this is fine"
odd juniper
@maiden viper just 2 min ago
rogue had 20% hp
i had 90%
he kidney me, 2 tentacles spawn
and i died
xD
maiden viper
welcome sir
I could live with these corruptions
if demon hunters, demo locks and rogues werent so ridiculously overtuned
odd juniper
destro* xD
maiden viper
aye 😄
rigid linden
Ya they put that hotfix like 2 weeks ago
odd juniper
Yea i know, it was both players spawn
lime light
@stray sigil they can for rogues with raid daggers
pallid coral
@lime light no they can't
lol?
the raid daggers aren't special
they stack corruption the same way it normally stacks
covert chasm
So how are feral in arenas? Im returning after a break
patent dove
I like to boost guildies who usually don‘t pvp to 2,1 so they can get a second chest every week. Most of them actually aren‘t bad at all they just don‘t bother because they reckon the benefit isn‘t worth the effort. But last night i had this DH who was hardstuck at 1.4k. He didn‘t know the spell greater pyroblast or what his own pvp talents were but man did he pve 39k dps on warlocks. We actually went straight up to 2.1, no stops invetween. I am kind of still laughing about the entire thing
It gets you far apparently
lime light
disgusting worlock abuser ha tfu @vestal citrus
still love u tho
change mog thx
i dont like it 😠
missing shoulders
lock
and belt is off
and why only 2 sockets
😠
its same in arena kinda no?
u get aids, enemy gets aids
idk bfa dh is soo fucking faceroll, legion dh was easy, but u could kill noobs easly
now if dh is doing dmg
their healing is insane
but good mog on dh
but i would use
the vision illusion
covert chasm
Last time i played arena was in legion i was 2.1, and back in wod i was 2.3 . How is arena now? Harder or?
I wanna start again but idc if im bothered if i have to farm like a monkey 2 Even Get started
sick wolf
play if you find it fun man, thats all the magic there is to it
wise valley
Didni miss glyphs mogs
shadow creek
Arena in 8.3 is absolute dog shite if you're not geared up
I REALLY want to play feral, but the spec just aint as lethal to compete at the top against all these S tier melee teams
small storm
not true
harsh jolt
patent dove
balance is legit hard my dude
rigid linden
hmmmm
now were working with some interesting shit here
LOL
im at 39 corruption
with maut wep and a 12% crit increase
forest kite
GW is good for us for pvp?
pallid coral
uh yeah if you like damage
forest kite
better than honded mind?
pallid coral
yes
forest kite
okay ty 🙂
ionic shuttle
I’m hoping to get 460 Maut wep this week and 460 motorcycle
Then I’m ready for face rolling boys
Isn’t there an essence where you Crit it does something?
viral plinth
Is feral still alive ?😉
In pvp
I though that both of the specs bala and feral are dead in pvp
queen copper
tenty proc vs 12% vers as boomy?
can probablysneak another piece in too with 35 vs 20 corruption
last trout
hmm Is having grove tending better on a 465 azerite or better to go with a 480 with lively spirit and walking dream? - all 3 of my 480 pieces except the goggles actually got no grove tending 😦
viral plinth
@harsh jolt the only viable spec for pvp for druids is resto druid all the others are bad
viral plinth
@last trout sure ?
last trout
but jungle still is decent
last trout
was third place in method mayhem 3s tourna
just a few days ago
nLite still plays it
last trout
in 2s disc/feral
viral plinth
For sure
last trout
is still good
stray sigil
uh?
viral plinth
At least better then arcane mage,hunter...
lime light
@stray sigil tendi barrely proc, same as stars
hard decision
cuz both pretty ghetto on feral smh
stray sigil
ya but i can get
lime light
but i would say tendi
lime light
iam playing stars on one feral, and tendi on other
and they are pretty close to being useless tbh 😄
stray sigil
its close in dmg ?
lime light
yup
last trout
@viral plinth tony is placed 28 on the ladder with feral in 2s - its for sure not an easy way to play but its viable
stray sigil
feral is totally viable
viral plinth
@last trout y even in precedent seasons there was one feral in top 100😉
stray sigil
idk what that guy is saying
last trout
wut?
last trout
6 dh in top 100?
viral plinth
In previous season
lime light
feral is good, but everything is better
stray sigil
what is the point
viral plinth
This season has just started
viral plinth
Oh I forget ww and MM
viral plinth
NO M monk
last trout
thats a healer?
last trout
Id say feral is a middle of the pack spec atm
stray sigil
point is feral in 2s is not best of the worst lmfao
stray sigil
its not mutually exclusive??
lime light
who gives a fuck tbh
viral plinth
Even in legion not too.much ferals
Xd there is only 2.2% above 2200 in 2s
Lol
Ferals
stray sigil
ur not listening at all buddy
feral is not a popular class in general
so no wonder the playrate and shit is low
like
what
viral plinth
@stray sigil I know
viral plinth
@stray sigil but this xpn it's has been more unpopular
lavish ibex
rip boomkin
feral is doing decently, nobody has been doing good in this expac.
But boomkin man...
stray sigil
dh has been doing good
rogue magfe has been doing good
dk has been doing good
ww has been doing good
destro to an extent
sick wolf
as melee dps
all you have to do
is get high drest trinket
and then you can oneshot anybody
lost cobalt
I remember in WoD feral was pretty popular
viral plinth
@lost cobalt me too
gleaming tree
Any chance to push 3s as Bala + Fire mage + some healer? Or Bala is actually no way?
so feral would be better instead of bala with fire mage?
wise valley
surv/guard work in 2s?
big flex?
Or you can just be the healer and get a warlock and play MLD for easy wins
@vestal citrus
thats druid 8.3 pvp
summed up in 1 perfect sentence
450 rdruid perfect traits still rocking my 460 feral wep
X D
how tf u get haste and mast
maybe i should regem everything so it isnt all crit lmaoo
patent dove
30% mastery how the fuck
wise valley
rn with feral gear/gems/traits in resto spec i got 20% haste/mast and 21@ crit
patent dove
30% that‘s got to be like three +12% mast corruptions and 6 socketed items
wise valley
why the fuck does autumn leaves exist
debating on going resto or boomy for raids
i fucking hate melee pve and my guild keep tryna guilt me into raiding with them
after i flexxed my dicks in mythics
lmao yeah i wish reforging was fuckin free
wise valley
@vestal citrus wahs my at
sunshine#3350?
tf
i matched a tiddy streamer on tinder
wants to talk on discord
LMAO
surreal heron
technical NA 👏
tepid fox
If I get 1128 in 3's but dont do anything else is that enough to get rank 2 conflict and strife
or do I need to get rank 1 first
stray sigil
u can skip r1
worthy parrot
Is there anything to do vs Firemage+rogue in 2's as a resto. Playing with a surv and we're losing like 9/10 games against em, and 9/10 games total are vs fire+rogue at around 2100mmr
Feels like, unless they missplay badly I cant win
pallid coral
@worthy parrot big versa and both of you play conflict major
wise valley
then u get beat by outplay
worthy parrot
Yeh the rogue dmg isn’t bad, just that if I ever get caught in a stun I die instantly from the mage. I have 21% versa.
They open hunter every game with bomb and usually blind me, i cant trinket that so hunter has to trinket+turtle pretty much, after blind I get kidney, hunter gets polyd. I trinket kidney, gets a dr stun and during that little stun the mage has done 450k dmg on me and I die
Feels like every game goes something like that
pallid coral
ok so if you have 21% versa
you have 10.5% dr from versa
if you play conflict major
then when you get stunned
you get an extra 10% der
passively
worthy parrot
Yep
pallid coral
which helps
pallid coral
can kill either
worthy parrot
Which is also toxic because of spell steal
Is the mage-rogue the favourable setup vs rdruid-surv?
wise valley
mage rogue kinda favorable against anything lol
worthy parrot
Feels a bit better losing against it if we are supposed to lose games if skill is similar I guess. Just gotta find a way to increase our odds. Gotta make sure I get sac during combustion and C&S as major will help and some defensive trinkets.
ionic shuttle
hey guys for feral
i have a 450 shoulder with JF/HoD vs. a 480 shoulder without HoD it gives me +400 agility and impassive visage
you think the 480 is worth over the 450?
the 480 also has earthlink so its like 20k hp and 400 agility baseline increase for 80 secondary stats .. just not great azerite traits
prob worth eh?
wise valley
1750 500 games hardstuck rogue kicked my friend from raid for giving up loot lmaooo
in a normal
tranquil ruin
Yo bois, what stats are you boomies going for out there for 3s?
pallid coral
Uh I think mages stack haste and Vers
maiden viper
is saviour any deec for resto?
idle mauve
Sorry for the dumb question but, what are the different ways/ratings needed to get a 375 warlord trophy? Also, can an item be trophied twice? I got a 430 staff with expedient 2 on it
idle mauve
even with 40 quartermaster's notes, its just a 460 trophy?
sick wolf
@maiden viper better than nothing but try to pick stat ones, blood siphon / blessed
rigid linden
@idle mauve it depends on your rating when handing in
460 I'm pretty sure is like challenger or something
I'm gladiator so it'll be 475
Duelist 470 Rival 465
sick wolf
@maiden viper then 100% choose static haste
sick wolf
i don't
i would play it into mld if i were to queue dhdk
for example
but its still eh, kinda
or maybe into jungle if you can stack
with your folks when they run the priest down
but good jungles can pop you or your dh in half a rake stun
so i feel like conflict outvalues it there
maybe into rmpala when you queue with lock since they will tunnel him most of the time
forest kite
this is your pvp gear? What kind of? How does it work?
rigid linden
crit alot.
forest kite
and "low" mastery doenst matter?
forest kite
yeah but crit dmg is reduced in pvp
tardy hare
Yeah to 50% extra
nocturne cedar
Guys is there an resto guide you can recommend?
sick wolf
@vestal citrus oh yea sry forgot about 2s, its okay to play it with dhs for example
there because they self heal a lot
into something that wont have too much split pressure
fast shuttle
what guides are up to date for boomy arena/pvp? most the druids i see that are balance on the ladder are mostly resto :/
sick wolf
@fast shuttle melby or corkyi on twitch
spice vine
hi, what are the best corruptions for feral arena right now? after the nerf I dont see IS that often
languid socket
Hi all, I have played resto to about 2k MMR (all on lfg) and wanted to try feral. I've heard they are in a pretty poor place and the little I have played hasn't gone too well. Can ferals do decently using lfg in 2s? Or should I keep playing resto in 2s and try feral in 3s maybe( again would be lfg). Thanks
stray sigil
ferals fine in 2s
its mediocre to decent in 3s
but if u have fun with it keep playing
languid socket
Can it do ok with lfg?
languid socket
Does it need to be played with a specific healer in 2s or is anything viable?
forest kite
Can anyone explain to me how to upgrade my pvp gear
languid socket
Thanks
trail fossil
@rigid linden What's feral like in pvp man ?
solemn scroll
ionic shuttle
guys check out my unbound force in action on a dummy, viable? @rigid linden
theres no motorcycle because i cant get it ... sadly but yeqa
i think it can take some people by surprise in 2s
probably woudl be 10-15% less damage because of vers but thats still well over half hp
at 30% crit a regular one has hit for 150k on the dummy a bunch of times of course rng
just did another one
lime light
u know pvp crit si 150%
ionic shuttle
yea its / 1.33 right
but im trying to show you guys that at half hp and no defensives someone can die becuase 2 of those are instant and you can just cast unbound first force and its slow enough to catch em off guard
yea im spamming on a dummy its like 2-3 minutes
pallid coral
yeah alternatively you could just press reaping
rigid linden
bismali i tried that build in arena and iunbound hit like 40k ;/
rigid linden
another JF+IJ helm
i use a warlords on the shoulders and then get myself a blighted tribe
ill be so happy
3x JF+IJ
ionic shuttle
@rigid linden rip 😦
covert chasm
Mecha trinket or drest trinket best for PvP? (Feral)
west laurel
stray sigil
drest better
fleet frigate
Hey all. Im struggling to find a good guide for pvp corruptions and stat prios and ended up here. Can you offer some guidelines to where my stats should be at and what kind of corruption i should aim for?
Im a resto druid may i add and play mainly 2s
sick wolf
realistically you want to have some mix of %mastery and %versa
about stats, think about what you want your character to be able to do: eg.
need more healing -> push mastery higher
need more damgur -> push haste > crit = versa (as in, crit is equal to versa roughly when you count DAMAGE only)
need to be more tanky -> push higher versa
in practise in 3s i like to have roughly 20% haste, 11-15% versa and as much mastery i can, which right now is flat 24%
in 2s, depending on your comp you can lower your mastery for more versa / haste
eg. 15 - 20 versa, 20-25% haste, 20%~ mastery
also, if you lack %mastery etc corruptions
lime light
amen
sick wolf
flat procs, haste/versa/mastery with durations are very good as well
esp versa/mastery ones
now, in 2s you want to do more damage hence you need to consider damaging corruptions
gushing wounds is def the strongest one and is very good when stacked for it
infinity stars is okay but its usually very high corruption amount and it does poorly into pets (because it hits them) and generally might not hit what you want
mind flays deal a lot of damage when they proc but good players will snipe them very fast since for most classes it requires 1 gcd to kill them, you can use those as well but they are worse than gushing as well
and again, try to find balance as to what you need and what you have, don't play one fixed gear with every setup and every bracket into every comp, thats just gonna be bad
@fleet frigate
forest kite
any good streamer for feral druid?
pallid coral
Sufre, ilovelucy
stray sigil
axtin fuse fox tony lucy cass suffre
most of them dont stream much though
zev also when he streams once a year
cosmic needle
Snupy as well
Snupy is a very chatty, very chill dude that’s streams on a daily basis afaik
tardy hare
Smh my boy snupy making it to being recommended as feral streamer
Never thought i'd see the day
cosmic needle
You’re welcome homie
Been checking him out for a while now. Cool down to earth guy
tardy hare
Used to do RBGs with him and clap his ass in 1v1
Late legion early bfa iirc
He didnt even play feral yet 
Lovely guy tho
uncut compass
@vestal citrus how is feral/MW in 2s?
rigid linden
you can but if u can get the trinket from maut its better
- voodoo totem from atal dazar
rigid linden
big dam i guess
stray sigil
isnt cyclo a dead meme nowadays
keen phoenix
Does mastery have DR for us?
Feral that is
I hit 235% mastery when a lot of stuff procced at the same time today
slate nimbus
stacking mastery when whole ur dmg is remote device, drest and reaping 
fringe hare
every stat is diminishing returns
spending 72 to go up a % is worth more at 1% than it is at 20% because just math xd
lime light
👉 👍
tropic schooner
Thats Not true but other stats get bettee
pallid coral
yeah that's not accurate
you're getting the same return you're just amplifying the value of other stats
fleet frigate
@sick wolf Thanks for the response yesturday! Apprectiated
keen phoenix
@lime light With 2x MI, Incite the pack, + 20% increased mastery from all sources, 2 x mastery proc items, and all gems/enchants mastery, yeah I hit 230%. Will screenshot to u, or someone else here can support the math
And I’m not saying stacking mastery like that is the way to go, it probably isn’t since the pros aren’t doing it, but the damage feels so freakin strong compares to what I used to run
vale sentinel
Di i have to do rated pvp for confict and strife or can i do RBG and Arena Skirmishes?
fast shuttle
You only need to cap conquest for conflict and strife afaik
But RBG does count for it if you do those too
vale sentinel
ok ty 🙂
tropic schooner
you need rating for the items
pallid coral
At least 1k
wise valley
@pallid coral how do i take your bleed WA and have only rip/rake show up
buncha icons i dont need
pallid coral
type /wa and delete everything you don't need
wise valley
jolly ho good chaop
tidal totem
What should I do as a resto druid duoing with a DH in 2v2s? New to arena but wanna get to 1800 so detailed responses are welcome ♥️
brazen mantle
How is balance doing in 3v3s atm?
west oasis
@tidal totem haven't played in awhile but typically you outlast everything by letting the dh mana rift the healer and go into dampening
some play 40 yds and move up for cc when needed
for instance, ursol vortexing a location to keep the healer in place of the mana rift
to cage -> bash
and of course there are others, who cat weave alot and this puts alot of pressure out because you can contribute alot of damage with your dh
and force alot of mana expenditure while the healer is getting mana burned
trail fossil
What essence's are people running as feral for a 2's set up with a healer ?
lime light
Breath
void nimbus
Feral Arena, currently at ~1,850, do I run ...
- DV, GW x2 and Severe tier 5
or- DV, GWx3 and Severe tier 2
but the 3rd GW piece is 425 ilvl vs a Severe tier 3 470 ilvl
??
void nimbus
haste mecha ring vs nature damage ring?
rich crag
I got a 425 ring that has it using it well more because I have nothing else I can use yet lol (Just a 75 IS)
wise valley
fucking finally got a 460 wep
fast shuttle
425 GW better than 470 severe 3?! When the guy already has gw x2?
That doesn’t compute in my head lol
tardy hare
the amount of GW doesn't really matter now does it
harsh ore
@tropic schooner answer
keen phoenix
@wise valley what’s the name of this wa?
rotund apex
how many bgs for 25 marks?
forest kite
2 per win I believe so about 13?
rotund apex
yeah just found comp stomp👍
sturdy agate
do we wild growth in 3s ever?
fathom glade
Any best essences/talents for 2s as resto?
rich crag
Some people seem to really not want to progress through visions... and get mad when I try to help them lol
somber yew
Makes you look in the mirror
tardy hare
Mood
finite linden
how do you survive in arena as a feral?
I seem to just get done by hunter/rogues every sing time
patent dove
I told you guys about playing with guildies to get them duelist for fun. I decided to go full throttle with the DH that is just learning how to pvp. So far we habe encountered resistance at 2.2k, enemy teams are able to kill my dh if he fat fingers trinket before kidney bombs. I plan to go2.4 in the least possible amount of games. So far we have 46 from 1.4 to 2.2.
I‘ll keep you updated
It‘s 66 not 46
forest kite
I feel insulted
rich crag
I just fought one and owned it... 460k health to my 370k health whittled him down and it was actually too easy. I guess he was bad, lol
scarlet jolt
Pog vendors confirmed in shadowlands
patent dove
Rejoice pvpeople
Vendors are upon us
Actually i wasn‘t too annoyed by the current system, apart from receiving crap in what was supposed to be my weekly feel good chest
tight cape
@finite linden stack Versat. =/
As for rogues, get yourself a DH partner. Stealth for feral is unfair in that our detection radius is lower than a rogue's, so unless you get them out of stealth via your partner's abilities, they will always get the jump on you first.
rotund apex
Also of note are some changes to PvP currencies—notably, Conquest is once again a spendable currency earned through Shadowlands Rated PvP. Players will be able to use Conquest points to purchase specific items of their choice from a vendor in the capital city of Oribos (in an easy-to-find location, naturally). Conquest can also be used to upgrade that gear further (similar to how Benthic gear worked with Manapearls in Rise of Azshara). We’ll have lots more information to share on the details of this system, as well as our broader endgame itemization plans, as the alpha rolls on and we reach max-level content.
forest kite
hey all. what do u think? i have 3 pieces of surging vitality (r3), 2.403 versa on procc. Should i play 3 SV and no maut wpn, or 2 pieces of SF and maut wep. Maut wep does it matter a lot?
we kill in stuns anyway
or?
2 pieces os SV*
split timber
Is it only me that thinks that leader of the pack exposes our presence to the enemies through our allies?
tardy hare
I dont think 99.9% of the playerbase notices it
rich crag
He's right in those skirmishes that glitch and you only see one guy lol
forest kite
Hi guys, noob here. I ask this cause I saw resto druids do heal plus more DPS than my undergeared dps character in PvP. Could someone give me the gist of damaging as a healing druid? So my guess is anytime you have downtime, you should put sunfire on the enemy? do people spam solar wrath? do they use cat/bear form for dps too, like the "catweaving" as people call it?
forest kite
do people ever use sunfire/moonfire in their dps rotation too? i ask both pvp and pve
i have these questions cause there are a lot of hotkeys and im trying to figure out whether a spell is a priority
forest kite
Gotcha ty
hazy shale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbJ2lJ40oA4 this guide is good? if is not where i can find a good one
Thanks
ripe sierra
@vestal citrus I play bgs very frequently, I actually pay a lot of attention to people's buffs and auras. I have noticed pack popping on/off when I wanna go gank someone and keep in mind I may get 2v1'd by the feral/whoever I'm jumping, but yeah you're still right in assuming most ppl in bgs aren't observant. I just felt the need to defend my honor 
I also see rogues take that talent where when they're nearby and it puts that 'a rogue's stalking you' debuff..........y'know for the very rare sub rogue I fight. That trait is the WORST give-away in pvp like jesus christ.
rich crag
I got a 460 motorcycle, a 430 spines and now just got a 445 hummingbird trinket... tough to decide whcih one to use in world / bg pvp casual stuff 🙂
rigid linden
@rich crag Bike
rich crag
Thanks yeah the bike and I guess if I am going to be doing cliff jumping the hummer is nice to compliment the glider and survival...lol
forest kite
what do u think about my question? hey all. what do u think? i have 3 pieces of surging vitality (r3), 2.403 versa on procc. Should i play 3 SV and no maut wpn, or 2 pieces of SV and maut wep. Maut wep does it matter a lot?
we kill in stuns anyway. Or maut wpn is must have?
rose vine
how much morth are the surging vitality procs as boomy in 3s compared to other corruptions say void ritual or honed mind (mastery proc) ? would u lose like 15 ilvl + better stats / socket ?
forest kite
okay, ty
pallid coral
@full maple https://www.twitch.tv/videos/559356565?t=2h32m3s savage roar bt feral lmao
somber yew
you like bike or drest better?
lime light
both are rly good
depends what are u facing
and how they play
cuz mamut(drest) is getting rly bad if there is more targets arouond
like pets ecc
pallid coral
por que no los dos
small storm
mamut
rich crag
darn got an azerroks heart in my chest rip
somber yew
reading new changes. warriors are the counter to RMP now lol
sleek quiver
any 2200+ cr resto druids on alliance US? multiglad mage/lock lf qs
patent dove
i am actually disappointed. i had hoped for shattering throw to just purge bubble, bop and iceblock
no flame for the game, i wanted shattering throw to be anti pally and anti mage
bascially no hard stops against war pressure
btw. which of the covenant abilities for druid do you like most? basically i am most interested in the one that casts 16 druid spells in 4 seconds
when they announced the covenants i had hoped they would steer away from another talent tree like system that is going to drown anyway, because everybody picks what has the highest output
i want to pick the vampire people because they are cool
but i don't know if their ability is any good
olive glade
just curious how come feral in pvp spec into the mastery boost after si over other more convential dps traits?
rigid linden
the only other one is Jungle fury and crit is halved in pvp anyways
the bleed ones are meh
tiny oar
🙃
simple sedge
😮
simple sedge
😄
cedar relic
What do you guys think is better rank 3 infinite stars or rank 3 mind flay for 2v2
I play feral
feral prawn
Then watch ur mind flay get killed by someone actually paying attention
Btw does anyone know if these tentacles can get targeted by a macro?
pallid coral
They can't
rich crag
I have a 425 blood ooze ring I am using still lol
tardy hare
Yes they surely pay attention to the tentacle during the stun they immdeiately get thrown at them when the fat tentacle procs
maiden viper
blessed portents or lifespeed for resto 2s?
feral prawn
so you basically sit on ur stuns just for ur tentacle proc? but all over i guess you are right, mind flay is the better option
forest kite
As feral, should i keep thrash up on my target, or is it not worth the gcd
fast shuttle
both stars and flay have a 12s internal proc rate, and stars debuff just gets cleansed and can easily not hit your target if they have a pet so not very good vs lock, hunter or unh dk..
flay you can get procs at really good times during heavy pressure or during stuns to where they cant actually kill it, despite it being killable, it uses less corruption budget and is higher impact
stars doesnt cost the enemy any globals except a cleanse here and there, flay costs theo ther team focus, resources and globals
rigid linden
@forest kite not sure but i see alota ferals do it including me, just seems like extra passive dmg
better than using a shred if i recall
rich crag
Adds damage if you spec WFR as well
so a rank 3 IS is not worth using even in random pvps? I got that just haven't had the chance to use it yet at 75 corruption lol
obtuse marsh
Been playing some 2s today and feel like unless I go feral affinity and play super aggressive, I can actually offer less support to my partner for scoring kills than any other healer
Damage without it is basically non existent
obtuse marsh
I love resto but I hate playing feral affinity
Going that aggressive stresses me out.
tardy hare
Just need to properly play the keeping distance game
Get someone who does more damage
obtuse marsh
It was a DH and he was out dpsing the other teams most fight
tardy hare
Or just get lucky with an OP corruption :)
obtuse marsh
But I guess no mortal strike
obtuse marsh
Haha true
Maybe my partner just wasn’t great. There’s a difference between doing lots of damage and doing burst that’s lined up with cc to score a kill
I’m gonna play guardian affinity and just try to help out with cyclones and roots
split timber
Ferals.if you could have a 4th pvp talent what would you pick?
I hope you will not include cyclone
harsh jasper
languid ermine
Feral pvp question: stat / corruption / azerite / essences bis for arena ?
oh nice thx
obtuse sleet
are there any streamers that do arenas as resto i can watch?
pallid coral
yeah but atm they're loosing SI
surreal stump
I guess feral needs instant-cyclone if we lose SI...
stray sigil
we lose si
bash is 1s shorter and 10s cd more
def sick indeed
oh yaa we lose bt too
new bt looks horrible
but hey we got skin and clone back right
surreal heron
$pb 308123055123595268
last owlBOT
Done.
manic patrol
If i enter a new bracket will i get the reward if i stop playing ? or do i still have to win a game While being in that bracket ?
by reward i mean weekly chest
obtuse marsh
but hey we got skin and clone back right
@stray sigil this doesn’t tell the full story though. If they made feral bleeds actually decent again, it would be a huge change but we won’t see that yet
surreal heron
the twitch auto play lags my phone immensely, which it doesn't normally
tiny oar
I can PM u with a copy paste when I get off work will be like half an hr tho
tiny oar
lime light
But thx brother
tiny oar
Hope they change covenant abilities to not be tied to appearance
I wanna heal good in arena n look good doing it, u feel
obtuse marsh
I wanna heal good in arena n look good doing it, u feel
@tiny oar this. I don’t think I’ve ever hated one of blizzards ideas as much as I do covenant abilities
Guarantee you I end up being forced to play some pussy angel covenant for performance even though I obviously want to be vampires
lime light
Ye if they make this abilities faction
The ixpac is already donzo
One good for m+ one for pvp one for raiding
If u dont have IT u garbage in arena m+ raid
fringe hare
mark my words it'll be like azeritae and they bandaid fix it in 9.2 with an essence-like system
🙁
rustic heron
Why can't we just play our classes with no external 3rd party skills....
obtuse marsh
I know, right?
Covenants could be awesome if it was all thematic, transmog, mounts etc and if they somehow created some competition between them
Instead, I already fucking hate them
fringe hare
all they have to do is make all 4 abilities talentable but make the covenant choice for tmog n stuff a one time only choice
or just not tie abilities to it
split timber
Dear feral are we allowed to use that https://www.wowhead.com/item=174277/lingering-psychic-shell
Of course that will need us to loot as guardians. Is this usable in feral Form?
From feral?
split timber
That is very powerful for pvp trinket then.
fringe hare
i mean it's nerfed in pvp like most things
split timber
Is the Nerf 50%
lime light
ok i just read that shit
and i have one question
what the fucked they are smoking
some good shit
hoftw seems garbage
amber hedge
Holy shit the Feral changes are so bad
surreal heron
🙂
amber hedge
It's just a steady stream of nerfs nerfs and more nerfs
And then some more nerfs
And then some extra poop sprinkled on top
Did anyone else also interpret the Stampeding Roar change as it always forcing you into Bear Form (even if youre already in Cat Form)?
pallid coral
Fucking clown idiots
Anyone who's interpreting anything here as a nerf should be going back to fucking kindergarten
It is a goddamn datamined pre fucking alpha build
For a different expansion
With a wide array of systemic changes
And what are you even reading as a nerf
The only think which is explicitly is si change
Which again is from a DATAMINED ALPHA BUILD
stray sigil
how else are we supposed to interpret it lol
alpha or not
those are nerfs
are u ok?
stray sigil
i get that alpha means very little
but ur def stupid if u dont see nerfs
cuz they r nerfs
amber hedge
The only brainlet is you. Whatever is in the alpha normally goes into the final game unless there is massive criticism.
pallid coral
The only thing which could be interpreted as a nerf is the si change which again IS BASED ON AN INCOMPLETE DATAMINING OF A PRE ALPHA
expressing concern about a POTENTIAL change
is valid
sperging out and reeing about fucking blizzard nerfing feral
pallid coral
is fucking brainlet stupid
amber hedge
Mmh, and 1sec less duration on Mighty Bash, 1sec cd is not a nerf?
feral prawn
The only brainlet is you. Whatever is in the alpha normally goes into the final game unless there is massive criticism.
@amber hedge
That's actually not true
stray sigil
too early innthe morning fornu?
pallid coral
ok allow me to clarify, if you are reeing about things being nerfs from a datamined alpha build
stray sigil
brain not working?
pallid coral
you better have someone else have your power of attorney
and that's just about final
fucking clowns
stray sigil
ur still not getting it