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Gutripper is fine too?
idk, i dont fully agree with any amount of IJ is good
i would take one GL
over one IJ
but ye
in most pices
That ring doesnt matter
IJ is way better
I see
and Um
agreed
Blood mist versus Unadulating tides?
If it was a trait that made you press a spell you never press, I'd agree that only 1 is trash, but you always maim in pvp anyway
So any amount is good
@lime light
Blood mist is trash
Never pick blood mist
Oh really
It'll get you killed sooner of later
I thought it was good
it's
alright
THAT trash
oh cuz

It puts you in cat form auto
I think gushing proc is aight, it's just that it's insanely unreliable
It's never gonna be something that impacts your game
2nd feral
But you always maim anyway for cc, so if you take your maim from 8k to 18k with 1 IJ, that's good
I'd prefer
3MI and 2 IJ + JF
JF so good
I mean this build
is way more consistant
i dont like it, but with the new corrupted rings
less rng
but it's definitely not worth taking 1 GL over a third MI ?
Definitely not
no
MI all day
over MI not
MI gives you mastery and armor :D
ok, who is a target in arena mostly?
cuz after your walls goes down
feral right?
don't you run for reset anyway?
LOL no
u cant run in bfa
Bleeds dont do jack
You only run on big caster cds
Like boomie incarn and infernal
guess I've been paying it really wrong
xD
But
how can I sustain against a DH just
beating my face in
MI isn't good
it is just
You run from dh and hit someone else
MI is good
MI is best simming trait in pve
For feral
Saying it's just not a good trait, just less bad, is very inaccurate
Gameplay wise
I'm not asking for pve though, Iw as asking for pvp
it's just stupid
MI is a very impactful trait
I think it's fine gameplay

If you use your wall and dont do anything in the next 30s
is why I asked to elaborate
You're playing like shit
Hm I see
You need to get a go
If you use wall and dont get anything done afterwards, you're just losing
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Just play like normal
Thanks yoda
cuz I normally will open and dot them up and when I think they will try to cc me, I wwill pop a walls
@clear pulsar add me on bnet ofc?
thank sa lot for all of this information
It's like not a trait that makes you play any differently
None of the feral traits do really
face2face#11237
But I'm NA fam
one more question
ah ye
when DO I go for resets against melee classes for instance
I'm assuming you're talking 2s
yes
You shouldn't really be hitting a DH in that case
Like you mentioned
If they're chasing you as you hit their healer, you just root them with your insta proc
And keep going
and what about rogues, that's another huge problem I have
Cyclone etc
what comp
rogue with whatever
you playing?
I think you have to stack with your healer and line the disc all day
hmm
If you get stunned, hopefully the disc isnt in position to hit you
cuz the issue I have with rogues, is that they will just pop evasion and I'm just kinda useless
or keep me cced for ddays
like
If rogue is on your healer, then you have to be on the disc and just stop his damage
right
Root rogue behind a pillar and let your healer run and recover
i faced flappers today ๐
you're playing with a pala?
on his rogue
what if we take healers out of the equasion
he played dh assa disc 
who is flappers
the feral legend @obtuse ice
Feral shouldnt really win a 1v1 vs a good rogue
I see
that's kind of how I felt, like rogues are just not something I wanna duel ever xD
right
and rogues kind of have an advantage there no?
@obtuse ice why are you obsessed with other people's characters?
I always feel like they see me way before I see them
@obtuse ice https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Stormscale/Flรฅppers
Well sap has a longer range than any of your spells as feral so yeah usually they'll find you
he was a tournament player
But if it's after cross kills, hopefully you'd have a bleed on him already
@clear pulsar I think you have a problem with me asking just a commont things
And he cant restealth
right yeah
Thx tian
Then like, you stun and do damage, root and run behind pillar before he can bleed you
Never mee that guy wow
so infuriating imo
one more feral to add
@lime light bro that's unforch
I faced verinasty the other day
And just felt completely toyed with
xd
but yeah, thanks a whole bunch for all this information
I'm gonna try out the things you told me for sure
but they fucked up everything, but still killed my rsham after like 50 sec
he has dog gear
I hope I can come back for seconds as well at some point xD
Vs rogue you have to try and abuse your cc, cuz generally they can only stun you
but i see a lot of this comps
But you can stun root and clone
assa dh
yeah
mark my words
oh oh oh
this comp
shit
will be op, or it is rn
I almost forgot like the most important part LOL
pvp talents
so
Leader of the pack should be always staple right?
never swap that out
Fero wound always, cyclone if you can play it well, leader of the pack very good, thorns v good but you should probably take CnS if you plan on playing thorns
I swap leader out sometimes
I see
i never swapped leader
Vs like mages
tbh
so feroucious wounddd is the thing I do not swap out
No point in playing leader of the pack if the only time you're in risk of dying it'll be 100-0 in 5 seconds
So i take like ferowound cyclone and savage momentum
Some games can feel hard to get a cyclone off
It depends on you
It's just such a strong spell
yeah
@lime light thing is, just personally, some matchups doesnt feel like leader is gonna help much
idk, i never dropped it, its too good imo
Playing like feral disc vs a DH that will chase your disc around, I dont see much benefit, so I like to take thorns and a diff major
Thorns ferowound cyclone
With flame major vs like dh rdru
5% tho
its a lot
It's a lot but why do I care about the heals if I'm never being hit?
u always tank some trash damgur, liek dot or something
if u top yourself with leader
ysera will heal someone else
idk, never dropped this talent, and i dont think so i will
Ysera still heal you if you 99%
ye
also learnt new thing
that
dk's necro
can crit
apparently
so it can abosrb 7.5% your hp
They should remove all % based damage from the game
i agree
necro is no skill
cuz u just mash it
it was fine
in 8.0
u could do insane big necros with cds
the problem was dk was dying to everything
it used to be, one of the harder melee classes to play, big control with a pet and not only
but rn its faceroll
you still have pet management
yes, but u cant rly die
It's more about the skill floor than the skill ceiling
u can die, only to disarm
The spec still has depth, but the basic stuff of it are really strong
and dk dh so fucking disgusting
So you can be trash and still climb further than you would as other specs
but hard to find 3rd guy rn
that is not a dh
we faced today
rly clueless
guardian dh rsham
we just run down the shaman
cuz guardian was dumb
ahahha
the biggest mistake u can do
Bro my moonfire build would be actual pog if I had traits for it
XD
But I'm stuck playing 3x IJ with it cuz my other pieces are for offspec
I just puked
Btw feral sub is not a real comp
it themself
Just thought I'd let you all know in case you had a mongo friend who wanted to try it
lol
sub is only good
with ret
but there is a 2s team
sub disc
they play with blood of the enemy
Sub fire is pog
ye, but the question is why
would u play it
if assa is 100x better
in this mongol cleave
Nah
I mean
It might be stronger but
Sub is still really good with fire disc
And much more fun to play honestly
@clear pulsar is mi rly that good for pve?
lol
Best simming combo I found is hood of slithering loa + orgozoa shoulder + behemoth shoulder
3x mi 1x jf 1x wfr and 1x swirling sands
@vestal citrus destro mains arguing that destro doesnt need a nerf/fix
Smh my head
On my druid I went boomie and tested, with 10401 spell power, 1677 versa, 1114 mastery, badge and incarn up, my starsurge hits for 55226
On my lock with 9006 spell power, 1220 versa, 846 mastery, no buffs whatsoever, no badge no infernal no dark soul, my chaos bolt hits for 54143
Without a badge I got a 99.5k bolt, this at 408 ilvl
starsurge is insant
cb not
obv cb casts are too fast
with all the procs + flashpoint
^
So 1.4s cast spell at 30 ilvl lower and no buffs or cds used is ok to hit as hard as a instant spell with all cds possible up
?
as i said
cb cast is too fast
with all procs
but overall destro dmg is on cb
and boomking dmg is also
on dots
All I read was you trying to justify the similarity in damage given the disparity in gear
:)
That was with demo traits too, I'm assuming there are destro traits that buff cb damage
as usual
It's same with feral
Like sure feral can get big bites on mages, but anything else, assa just does much more
50k envenom during my burst, non crit
428 ilvl
No badge
Kidney itself does almost 40k damage
Uh does anyone remember the preseason of s3 ?
I'm wondering if you could still fill up your conquest bar When season 2 ended, during the 2 weeks of preseason
@vestal citrus why meta is playing Mark of the wild every game
Axtin just lost to bald mount collector
But wtf why Mark vs jungle rmpala
Lol
Ye
Xd
Isnt the poison dot #1 on surv damage? @lime light
And then bombs are aoe too
All fire damage
It reduces most of hunter damage
Dmg
Yeah
It's not the thing you're dying to
It's fucking 30% of the hunter's damage
And bombs are all of hunter's burst
All nerfed by 15% tell me a talent that will give them more value
Ye, but still feel like there is plenty better honor talents
- mage wiith brain always keep klepto
Vs rdru
Did they q into hunter mage?
No
Vs mage you dont have to keep it 100% of the time
Only during combustion
To reduce ignite and meteor
Motw is pretty disgusting into any surv team affects like half their damage
LOL

Daddy what traits for destro after 3x flashpoint
@vestal citrus
Inferal x1?
-15sec
And this fucking rmpalas on NA wtf is this, first global combust
No cc on healer pop everything
Like in a pull
These guys prob tilted af
All games I watched they lost
Like 5 times in a row
To asmon
XD
Is meta chat trolling
Or the big boobys asmon gf
Cheated on him
Ah ok
Lol that dh war rsham
Fucking smorc team
Have fun playing vs that
As boom
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Would rather delete my druid than actually try to play boomer in arena lol
But he is pumping good dam holy fuck
i tried some boomy hunter rsham
i didnt think i could hate tank trinket any more than i allready did
i have hunter mage and druid
atm sv and arcane is so much more fun than boomy or feral imo
feels like my abilities does something on the other classes
I spent my entire season queueing shit like feral ww, feral dk, feral sp, with people who just dont play well
And my season high rating in 3s is queueing with a 210k hp hunter
same tbh i have done lfg to 2.2k in 3s
really? ๐ฎ
Whenever I played mage I definitely liked frost better
i dont enjoy playing feral cuz 4 bleeds gets outdmgd by 1 hunter dot kappa
Honestly like
i guess most dots are just trash atm
Some games my rake is ticking for 12k
Frost dk dot 12k crit btw
it was just brain dead games @vestal citrus cuz both of my partners had never played it
@tardy hare 
however i did play it earlier this season and we did some awsome setups
yeah
we lost to every meelee cleave but we didnt play well either
How to beat guardian arms 
was corkiy running crusible major?
Lol
cuz i had conflict major
We were just actually rotting them it was hilarious
If they leave form its over
theorycrafting: GUARDIAN DESTRO infinity hp
can't rush blue with a 210k hp sv
ah
i need defrag
never lucky... ive gotten the hardmode mount 3 times now but no defrag lmfao
F
The one time I saw it drop it was for a warrior who kept it
The warrior was sub 1600 negative win rate

I guess he needed it more than I did
oh fuck you xD
Gimmie gimmie a man
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poggers in the chat bois
that new essence formless void
it copies the major essence of the enemy for 15 seconds
so after 15 seconds is over
how long is the cooldown of that?
when can i use it again
isnt it an awful and pointless essence having in mind you are already going to pick the essense you want
the only exception of that is other spec essences
maybe vs frost dk, having an chill streak ๐๐ฟ
aint my dh ๐ก
how much is the mastery nerf affecting us in pvp?
Jungle was like the 2nd best comp at the end of legion
Stop being a dramatic bitch
@karmic stag it's a healer essence. Its purpose is for the healer to do damage with the group by copying a dps essence.
Hostile is meta
Hostile is meta
hello, any good resources on pvp with resto for arenas? more gameplay oriented, not as much about items and all that
Pinned messages
sadly those are more about essences, talents and items
he is completely new to the game and needs some general gameplay advice
do I need to do at least one win in the bracket I have the best rating to get the chest item lvl ?
but he asked when feral was a meta
not when jungle was a meta
prolly meant like, destro or dh at some point
when u can play X DH X
but X feral X
first season of legion prolly
there were few comps
so any discords or anything for premade bg interest groups?
that you guys know off
(talking ranked fyi)
Anyone know the az and neck stuff for the degenerate guardian arena spec?
People got rank 1 as FLS in legion s7 @lime light
Like feral was really good in 7.3.5
what if feral is rly fkn good actually but we boomers just dont understand
I mean sure I seee some zoomers popup now and then and kickass as a feral
@clear pulsar ty for the logical explanation ye now i get it.
Feral was pretty meta ssn 1 of bfa @forest kite
if you had raking ferocity 3x somehow, yea
i only got 1 of that trait since azerite was super hard to get in s1
ah forgot how they rekt the first talent row (LI)
What you guys thinks would be fun for Feral unpruning in SL?
feral was full mongo in wod
why
idk i hate this spell
fucking aoe spell that u use for st
that still does nothing
but cost less
@clear pulsar @forest kite i played neither of those in ssn 1
I just ran 3x azerite fortification in middle row
All other stuff was random
also wall was 10 sec
in legion
the dodge thingy, dont think so it will change anything
lets say u face tsg or dk dh
u have to shapeshift
slows all the time
so u lose dodge
Bicmex streaming jungle
feral ded every game
or disc oom after 2 min
guess only 3 ferals r1 in eu
cassidy cassidy and tony
booking affinity is nerfed
cuz they changed the lag
thingy
and added base range to spells
so rogue can attack u
from 9 yards
8
Not having a slow hurts

stop
playing lsd
but idk
i dont feel that comp
we dont get anything, when enemy team spam cs me
or 2x apes training me whole game
hope u suffer
Vultz getting rank 1 as arcane ? 
Flpala?
Crazy
He literally never goes bear form
Oh right zev plays flpala
Yeah thats who i was thinking of
He just in slay mode all game
If I can play balance and bear to somewhat the same level but suck at pvp in general, which would be the easier way to reach 1.4k rating?
By a long shot
So just go bear in 2s and hope for the best?
Well depends on who you have to help you... if you have a decent player I am sure that you can get it easy with whatever
I think 15% mastery feels enough
But yeah I've got 150k+ regrowths into mortal strike
When I play resto cuz my gear is 2k mastery
Yep
Big mastery and mix of haste / versa
For rest
Is what I have
Oh now I have less mastery cuz I regemmed everything to versa
But yeah still 18.9%
The problem is mastery doesnt scale your damage
anyone know why corkiy keeps unqeuiping all his geare before logging out?
he doesnt want me to copy his shit >::(
can someone tell him to stop being so selfish kappa
His chest is incite the pack + gory regen
Then bf focus + pulsar helm, bf focus + whatever shoulder
Haste versa all gear
Yeah but it's a whatever trait
He's rocking those shoulders for bf focus obv
And yeah cns major is really good
Even offensively if you only do damage on cc
Cuz when you cyclone/root/beam people you double the versa from strife, so it's another 440, basically another 5-6% damage buff
It's not as great damage as flame but
It's something
ah tyvm ๐
corkiy you better watch out im coming for you
why does he play starlord tho?
and not incarn
i guess it's not worth with sv hunter
?
which i should be able to with defrag and versa stack right
ah
yeah that is true
talking about r1hunters i had a hunter today saying he was 2800 xp and landed 1 trap per 2 min
and after afew games with him i wanted to die
yeah i can imagen
cuz there is diff between like 2400 and 2500 players imo
tho ive never really played with ppl above it
doesnt he have like 9x r1 on his boomy?
crazy man
@vestal citrus dont think like that bro
You're valuable
You're beautiful
Go Glyph!
i think with boomy it's very dependant on who you play with
for me atleast
which sucks cuz i dont have a team
so i just get stuck in lfg after hitting 2200 xd
yeah
i guess i just need to lfg it untill i find some good ppl and try to make them play with me xD
yeah
i think ill try to play it a lot now in s4
yup, ill have to ask one of my ruski 2s hunter friends to play 3s with mexd
xd
Ill make a series Out of it and call it โruski 2s hero hunter and boomer plays 3sโ lmao
Win/win comp
:)
No I'm not pushing feral next season
The state of that spec in the meta feels Miserable
And I don't plan to experiment next patch as feral
what are you gonna play? guardian?
are there serious resto players who get rid of their dignity and go guardian?
or pretty much no?
is it just players who are casuals and want to push high rating that do that
but there are already very few feral/boomies right?
right
right
Doubt
y
unless ur a DH
and can just kite
@karmic stag told myself that about ferals and essences
BFA is probably the only expansion
with close no non significant balance changes introduced lol
so few
its as if blizz has been extremely reluctant to do anything with what they've done with initial class changes
and it seems they just wana keep stuff the way it is
I heard alting is really dead next patch
It'll be worse
The cloak gives you corruption protection eventually
So do some of the pve essences
So you'll definitely be able to use more than 2 corruption pieces over time
But only if you farm the daily and weekly shit consistently
Alts will be ruined
why would they if there are pvp trinkets i.e that increase ur already existing corruption lvl
Yea imagine a stun vortex no trinket into 3x spite trinket
Nzoth just spawns in the arena and kills you instantly
jk, u r playing same season whole expansion
chill
that the reason why bfa is worst expansion in arena pvp wise
compare to legion with almost zero pve abuses and templates
And the game has been about grinding pve and lucking out on getting specific items before other people since Uldir
So I don't know why you expect Blizzard to do something about corruption in pvp
Mythrax tank trinket, then dungeon tank trinkets like the bandage and sporepods which is still busted, then getiikku, then ward and diamond prism, then crucible raid gear, some of which is still busted, then urchin and hardmode heal punchcard
Mage bracers
The motorbike trinket if you get a good forge is absolutely busted
From trixie or whoever
My friend's hits for 70k without crits, and doesn't put your 2nd trinket on cd for some reason
So he combos it with trunksy, the wq reward that he got 405
But could also combo with voodoo doll or maledict or a medallion
1200 extra versa 14% more damage on motorbike
And flames
You do 200k+ damage without ever pressing your own spells
In 3 globals
waiting room for 465 motorbike and heal punchcards
Heal punchcard is hard mode, I doubt it'll be available
But the little combo of rings too if you get the right ones
Nuts
it could be just like karazhan time run or whatever it was
They'd have to design something on purpose for it
Which isn't happening
Since hard mode starts outside and punchcard drops from last boss
@clear pulsar the mechagon hardmodemount Will be availablr tho i think
I thought they we're just switching hmode loot over to keys
Do you have a source for that?
There is no logic in hard mode rewards for m+
You cant do hard mode in m+
@lime light my hunter missed every trap
No just heard ppl say it in durotar lmao
But Why would they just remove a mount after a single season
It's not removed
You can go and do it hard mode
Regular mythic
Like you could in karazham
For the timed event thing
Literally same situation really
Guys
What relation do you have with your 3s push team-mate
Like do you just only play with them or you do some other stuff with?
Guess it depends if you enjoy doing other stuff with em or not :D
Seeing corkiy makes me wanna q into arenas as boomie
Im eu
Gotta try boomie/destro
Never played it
Last time i wanted to play it, i was waiting 1h for any lpck and gave up
Yeah
Many pvpers dpnt give a f about pve and they play arenas all the time
They're a bit behind cause of pve busted gear, but still
I need a second druid
I wanted to Play destro s4 but fuck that, i would get cancer
Playing this shit spec
In last week learnt one thing from 2.3k dh with 1500 games
If u face Guardian comp
U smorc healer
So its fast win or fast lose
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Some told me
Same with MLD/double destro
To go guardian
With 3 maledict
Yeah
I dont know about that chief
Depends on the mmr at this Guardian teams are 1.2k players
Doin pve in arena
Killing guardian druids isnt soething that will happen
So rushing healer is easy
But killing a rsham that gets caught out of form dispeling maledonk might just work out
And remember to abuse Guardians brain
They wont shift root
They wont shift hibernate
There are 2 types of rdruds
2s abusers
And 3s abusers
Feral aff or true feral?
I mean there is 3rd type
Sub to the goredawg
Lol is that a thing
Ofc poosey u are boomkin...
Look from the other side
Low rated guard can die
If u put lot of pressure as feral aff, they re under heavy pressure>deal no dmg>u cannot die
Feral aff EVERY GAME until you transcend to another level of existence
Ye I get pumped sometimes in 3s too rough if you dont have ppl with a brain cell for peels
Oh god after a losing streak in bgs because of stupid bears every game I succumbed and respeced from feral to bear and now I feel dirty, when is this getting nerfed?
@tiny oar wanna q?
Rdru with feral aff can get one deag
Kind of a trap my hunter has 220k hp
With Guardian impossible
I just wanna spam games tho 
Only if they klepto freanzy regen
That's big trap homie idk we can 2s tho u horde or ally?
Why u flame yourself
Wait
You just said that
I just went into resto spec to see
Frenzied regen is affected by resto mastery
Ofc
That's redic
Literally just queueing 10k games as rdruid and mw next season full pump

"bro just wanted to stop a cast"
I'll add you later n we can queue up MIE
Feral mw?
You mean feral windwalker 2s with the 405 ilvl monk that wants to get his weapon from first cap? Ofc I'll play why not
Kinda wanna try feral rdruid too but I'll queue surv rdru too
I meant 3s, the shit geared hunter is my friend
UwU
O lmao ok yea that works too
Dont Play ww
Its gonna be super pumper
Like rsk will deal same damgur as 5 combo ๐ฒ
Wall battlemaster tod
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Wait
Guardian + ww
New meta
Insane hp
That's already been the meta bro
Killing with tod
@clear pulsar addme
Can't wait to see fully geared guardians with 100 corruption just smashing 40k dps next season
Just come eu 
Yea I love playing with 300 ms 
:( basically
I mean
Not that I dont already
But yeah not gonna buy the game again for 40ms more
Think it's the opposite atm lol
Prolly true
I just wanna stalk ure account
classes that equip 2 weapon slots will have a serious advantage over those with 1
for example DH can equip 2x Echoing void
druid only 1 if it has a staff
how is that fair?
when we had titanforging 1 weapon evens out when titanforged with 2 titanforged ones in terms of stats etc
but now thats double corruption effects
right
ye that must be the idea behind
Yea think u can remove corruption if u dont want it
basically equipping 2 weapons with corruption will be the equivalent to equipping 1 weapon + 2 other items or so
so ye it evens out
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