Changeling Class

[gloomy pier]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sT36x_ggc5eKZ-BOdI4emh2XN3GuHo15q4cS6adgSLo/edit

[gloomy pier]

Pretty soon I’m gonna have to start coming up with subclasses, I have a few basic ideas but nothing comprehensive or finished

Anyone have any ideas or recommendations

[jovial sapphire]

idk why your Limbs with natural weapons on them have "Hit:" when thats not standard for a player. It should just tell you that its a natural weapon and what ability score it uses and if youre proficient in it

ASI wording for 2014 is:
"When you reach 4th level, and again at 8th, 12th, 16th, and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or you can increase two ability scores of your choice by 1. As normal, you can’t increase an ability score above 20 using this feature."

I would actually remove some specialized Hybridization options and give your subclasses a special Hybridization. Like a spider subclass gains web, web sense, spider climb, etc. over the course of their subclass (with maybe spider climb and web sense just being always on)

[gloomy pier]

Not a bad idea. I’ve started working on one or two with a similar idea. Neither are done yet, but one of them is complete enough for a proof of concept

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11CaXMcwnehgqaghnnxKtqnwlXTc8aw6xwbjTBovzs3E/edit

[gloomy pier]

It’s not? I’ll have to look into that and fix accordingly then

[jovial sapphire]

Btw you also still need a class table

Which lists all the class features

[woeful jacinth]

ok, a couple of quick fixes / suggestions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GMkSEqB-gem1HlwaE9VfG34m6sUBhiC2o_WSXLiHKRE/

Feel free to just copy/paste it over, butI tweaked a couple bits, and added a class table.

For the Hybrid Parts, I added a "parts save" so you can just have everything refer to that, and then did the first 2 parts in a cleaner layout.
Balance wise, cos that's all I have time for, the Tentacle given restrained on damage (so effectively on hit), feels like a lot - especially at first level.

and that's as far as I really got before I now run out of time again~

[gloomy pier]

Thanks I appreciate it. My main concern with the tentacle was to give a second limb option so u had to make a choice.

I wasn’t sure how else to make an option that different

[gloomy pier]

Just looked at changes. Holy crap that looks sooo clean!

[gloomy pier]

Tho I have to ask, why is strength part of the DC?

Ur proficient in dexterity and constitution

[woeful jacinth]

oh yeah, forgot to say that xD
So, basically - to enable choice.
You're a gribbly monster, but everything including big gribbly limbs were dex focused - by making it choose str or dex, my thinking was it opens up the option for a strength changeling, with strength attacks and such too

[gloomy pier]

I mean I guess, but strength doesn’t seem like it will be used much

[woeful jacinth]

it probably won't no.
but the option is nice

specially being the only change needed a couple words in the save, and making the attacks that are dex, finesse instead

[gloomy pier]

Tho, why is appendage and tentacle outside of the table?

[woeful jacinth]

this bit

example of neater / more 5e way of doing the options

the tables good for "here are these options in this block", but it has a lot of dead space

[gloomy pier]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iq50eG85J6PMC4c6Voips5lWIKD2E9Jk3xGLrCq2iks/edit

[gloomy pier]

What’s the finesse and reach property?

[woeful jacinth]

weapon properties.
reach is "extra 5ft of reach", and finesse is can use str or dex for the attack

[gloomy pier]

Also, looking at the rest of the class, strength is no where else, so idk if strength should even be included

[gloomy pier]

I see

[woeful jacinth]

we are but here to make suggestions, it's your choice what to use ~

[gloomy pier]

Is finesse attack and damage rolls or just attack

[woeful jacinth]

hit and damage

[gloomy pier]

Oh ok cool

[gloomy pier]

Is this that why u moved appendage and tentacle outside of the table?

[woeful jacinth]

That was an example of how to redo the rest of the tables thats cleaner (along with some tighter wording)

you just gotta do the rest 😉

[gloomy pier]

Oh, I see

Gotcha

[gloomy pier]

done. even knocked it down to 4 pages! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iq50eG85J6PMC4c6Voips5lWIKD2E9Jk3xGLrCq2iks/edit?usp=sharing

[gloomy pier]

also, i assume for the class table, the - are for me to fill out the gained feature at that level?

[woeful jacinth]

👍

[gloomy pier]

figured. just finished filling it out

also, im making a subclass based on dragons, but cnat come up with a6th level feature. any ideas?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11CaXMcwnehgqaghnnxKtqnwlXTc8aw6xwbjTBovzs3E/edit?usp=sharing

[gloomy pier]

i came up with one, based on the dragon born. is this balanced enough we think?

Forceful Presence
Sixth-Level Feature
When you make a Intimidation or Persuasion check, you can do so with advantage once per long rest.

[woeful jacinth]

ok, I have a minute before I need to go do other stuff, lets have a quick gander.

[gloomy pier]

oh cool thx

[woeful jacinth]

• Shield prof is tied to medium armour prof, due to old system stuff. Doesn't hurt to give medium armour prof to even that out though. (especially being multiclassing this has med prof xD)
• Saves are Strong + Weak, Dex + Con is Strong + Strong. Not sure which you want to change, prolly con, but not sure to what.
• still the concern about restrained. it's a very easy "all your follow on attacks, and your parties attacks have advantage vs the target" feature.
• Tremorsense is significantly stronger than darkvision - and if using, should be granted later.
• +2 AC might be a bit much, +1 may be better.
• burrow is not really suitable as a player facing ability. It wasn't designed as such, so the vague wording of the movement type allows a lot of abuse.
• flexible mind should likely be "gain an additional reaction" to avoid any possible shenanigans with anything giving extra reactions (like the CR reaction focused monk, that gains PB reactions - combined with this, it'd have ~6-12 for example)
• "number of combined traits and actions" doesn't mean anything mechanically - need to define that.
  There's certainly more, and wording stuff, but that's what leaps out to me on a first pass

[gloomy pier]

• added med armor
• not sure what you mean by those saves. Strong +weak? Strong + strong
• ill see about reworking tentacle, that will need some more attention
• whats tremor sense? and why is it so much better then dork vision?
• lowered AC
• ill think about removing burrowing then
• fixed to an additional reaction
• ill have to brainstrom ways to make this work then, though i would imagine it would be a simple matter of counting your traits and actions.

[woeful jacinth]

image shows which saves are strong and weak.
Dex, Con,Wis are Strong (very good to have, more common saves)
Str, Int, Cha are Weak. (not as good to have, less common saves)
Class saves given are strong + weak, not strong + strong (or weak + weak)
Monstrous Detection grants it - Tremorsense lets you sense anything in 30ft that is touching any surface connected to you. So even invisible creatures, or through walls. - but I question why you're giving it if you don't know what it does?

the simplest thing - is just give a number. counting something as vague as "traits and actions" is gonna be weird, and lead to arguments and confusion.

[gloomy pier]

• gotcha for saves. tbh im not sure if ill able to sense i think every weak+strong save combo is already taken.
• i misunderstood tremor sense, i thought it was you detected things underground. like a burrowing creature or something.
• I still dont entirely understand where confusion owuld come from,but i see your point

[woeful jacinth]

example:
do bonus actions count?
reactions?
do attacks count?
what about feats?
you get a feature most levels - do those count?
each limb option is technically a trait, do those all count?
do move actions count?
does movement count?
races get traits, do those count?

[gloomy pier]

Apparently wizard and Druid have the same save proficiencies so there’s a precedent for that. Dex and strength it is then

Both have intelligences d wisdom

And apparently monks saving throws are now dex and wis

Weird

I mean it makes sense, but still

[gloomy pier]

Changeling is dex and str now

[gloomy pier]

Does my dragon transformation on the second page look balanced to u?

[gloomy pier]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11CaXMcwnehgqaghnnxKtqnwlXTc8aw6xwbjTBovzs3E/edit?usp=sharing

[jovial sapphire]

Strong weak is basically a balancing combo. It doesnt matter if its taken, overlap already exists in the base game

Str Con is both Barb and Fighter
Wis Cha is Cleric, Paladin and Warlock
Int Wis is both Druid and Wiz
Str Dex is both Ranger and Monk

[gloomy pier]

I’m trying to come up with a 20th level feature, as my current one doesn’t rly work well in practice. Any ideas?

Rn my only idea is 8 hybrid features at a time and 2 features sharing a part type at a time

As well as double the shape shift charges

[jovial sapphire]

Keep the number of hybrid features limits

You now have unlimited Shapeshift charges

[gloomy pier]

That seems very close to Druid tho

[woeful jacinth]

everything stealing from everything is fine

[jovial sapphire]

Why not?

[gloomy pier]

U think?

[woeful jacinth]

nothing is original, homebrew is just different level of plagiarism and convergent development.
so long as you dont give anything earlier than raw, or more powerful than, then 0 issue.
You can give weaker earlier, or stronger later too - but that takes more care.

[jovial sapphire]

Barb also gets unli rages

Not that crazy

[gloomy pier]

Yea ok, I’ll think about it

[night peak]

me when i find out that the thing i want to do has been done 10 times
(LaserLlama's beast compendium is uncannily close to something I was doing [even down to the re-addition of Diminutive and moving CR to the statblock's corner] AND with better production quality )

[gloomy pier]

lol

Change Master
20th-Level Changeling Feature
You have unlimited shapeshift charges.

You can also equip additional limb body part type features, as well as an additional bonus feature for each body part type equipped. The total max amount of features that can be equipped at a time is now 5.