# of mons range

[muted ermine]

I just realized I got 6+1bonus with 10M at Taupe, no incense used

[last grove]

Ah well my sleep helps to confirm that result, 10,224,841 power and 6 Pokemon:

[storm pendant]

could any <@&1129036473396633724> unpin the comment as its no longer being updated?

[modest swallow]

Why?

it's still correct right

Until we have a more precise resource

Which I don't see one yet

[storm pendant]

OP has stopped playing so i'm currently taking over by updating the changes posted since then

Please post all relevant screenshots here, and indicate which island you are on. I will update the ranges regularly.

New info highlighted in yellow.

@modest swallow you could pin that comment instead if you like and i can edit it

[modest swallow]

Remind me why the Lower and Upper columns are needed?

Isn't this just implied by having Min/Max?

It's just repetition isn't it

[storm pendant]

it is repetition but it's to mirror the format the original OP used in case people were used to that

[modest swallow]

This was the format OP used for the pin

[storm pendant]

yes that follows the lower and higher columns if you read the notes underneath that

[modest swallow]

Then we don't need Min and Max

[storm pendant]

the min and max columns are more intuitive though

[modest swallow]

Since they're thresholds

Having both is silly

Commit to a format

[storm pendant]

are you concerned it will cause confusion by having both? my concern was that having only one or the other would cause confusion as has happened previously with OP's format only

[modest swallow]

OP's format would be ideal with a brief sentence that just says "the following are the range for the minimums of each threshold" then leaving it at that

[storm pendant]

also i can't edit a comment with an image can i?

[modest swallow]

Yes you can

You just can't edit the image

[storm pendant]

ah yep. so if i want to keep it updated, text is better?

[modest swallow]

Yep

[storm pendant]

The following are the range for the minimums of each threshold. Please post screenshots here if your power is within the range along with the associated island.

Greengrass Isle:
4 mons minimum: 965,230 - 965,232
5 mons minimum: 2,073,694 - 2,073,695
6 mons minimum: 4,626,378 - 4,626,380
7 mons minimum: 8,331,415 - 8,331,417
8 mons minimum: 19,563,552 - 19,563,553

Cyan Beach:
4 mons minimum: 1,574,329 - 1,574,330
5 mons minimum: 3,511,233 - 3,511,234
6 mons minimum: 7,162,380 - 7,162,381
7 mons minimum: 13,488,262 - 13,488,264
8 mons minimum: 30,491,709 - 30,491,710

Taupe Hollow:
4 mons minimum: 1,829,446 - 1,829,448
5 mons minimum: 4,626,378 - 4,626,380
6 mons minimum: 9,935,822 - 9,935,824
7 mons minimum: 19,563,552 - 19,563,553
8 mons minimum: 43,706,481 - 43,706,487

Snowdrop Tundra:
4 mons minimum: 2,821,379 - 2,821,380
5 mons minimum: 7,162,380 - 7,162,381
6 mons minimum: 15,469,182 - 15,469,184
7 mons minimum: 28,772,755 - 28,772,756
8 mons minimum: 65,693,394 - 65,693,395

Lapis Lakeside:
4 mons minimum: 3,153,519 - 3,153,520
5 mons minimum: 7,730,433 - 7,730,435
6 mons minimum: 16,659,805 - 16,659,808
7 mons minimum: 30,491,709 - 30,491,710
8 mons minimum: 68,664,242 - 68,664,245

Old Gold Power Plant:
4 mons minimum: 6,009,350 - 6,010,340
5 mons minimum: 14,339,724 - 14,339,775
6 mons minimum: 30,491,702 - 30,491,720
7 mons minimum: 49,915,400 - 49,915,500
8 mons minimum: 97,371,580 - 97,371,700

Last updated 19 Jan 2025.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fpfqEZgC0KNcljugfr6AkYrrObfo35eU_Vh-esW4-Mk/edit?usp=sharing

how's this @modest swallow ?

[storm pendant]

ta

[spring lion]

thank you 🙏

[drowsy surge]

I had 19,510,200 for 7 'mons last week for Greengrass Isle so I think that's a new lower boundary for 8 'mons?

[sweet widget]

Cyan beach 7 mons at 16,088,300

[outer drum]

Cyan Beach 7 mons 14,881,400

[sweet widget]

Cyan beach 7 mons 18,693,300

[storm pendant]

The minimum threshold for 7 mons at cyan is between 13-14.2 mil so only need to share if it's within that range

[spring lion]

There are some errors here on the list. The ranges got mixed up i think

nvm you said minimums, my bad. I guess thats why people got confused

[storm pendant]

Here is the other format if that's causing any confusion

updated the pin for clarity

[sweet widget]

Oh i see ty. I thought it was full ranges my bad

[tulip sonnet]

Taupe Hollow 6 mons 10,208,358

[tidal hollow]

Found only 3 on Greengrass at 963k

[storm pendant]

changes in yellow

[wispy crane]

week 5 taupe

[humble crest]

I did a fake nat at taupe and got 3 mons, does that could help for the data?

[pallid totem]

yes for this https://discord.com/channels/1133923264146706452/1148709814399160483

since we know that after 90k the base spawn changes where 1 mon has a threshold

base spawn for snoozing are 3 rats if less than 90k in taupe and greengrass

[humble crest]

Ratatta can be a good mon for Tundra, is good to know that you can force them to spawn

[pallid totem]

yep join the convo over there

[humble crest]

And we know base spawns for other styles or other islands?

[pallid totem]

check out the link

it's pinned there

[humble crest]

Wich link?

That? I can’t

[pallid totem]

you're not special enough to be invited 😜😂

https://discord.gg/GrA5RGVp

[ionic mist]

3 spawns on Taupe Hallow with 1,790,097 drowsy power.

I believe this is a new upper limit for 3 spawns on Taupe Hallow. So 1.9 million is likely pretty close to being the minimum for 4 mons.

[humble crest]

I think this can help. Idk if someone already got 4 mons at taupe with lower than this

Sorry, there are already a lower but maybe can still help

[outer drum]

NEW Taupe 6 Mon minimum 9,942,300 drowsy power

[humble crest]

This was from yesterday’s fake nap

[last grove]

Is that at Taupe?

[storm pendant]

This seems to be the highest taupe 3 mons. Will update the pin soon

[dawn prairie]

i saw only 6 on CB at 13 mil

[humble crest]

Yes

[storm pendant]

updates in yellow

[last grove]

Very minor correction but I believe the Taupe Hollow 6 mon min should be 9,942,300 not 9,942,200?

[last grove]

Based on ^

[storm pendant]

thankyou. updated the pin

[tepid estuary]

the dilemma of whether to stay in the uncertain range for science or push through before bed to be sure of an extra encounter

(at 138788 strength on cyan beach rn)

[storm pendant]

i contemplated that the other week, decided to try for the high end of the uncertain range only for my plus+ to decide not to count the last half hour before sleep anyway

[tepid estuary]

7 mons on cyan beach with 13,999,400 dp

[steel crypt]

This was on cyan beach

[humble crest]

Taupe hollow

[muted smelt]

got 8 pokemon

30,874,200

on cyan beach

[tepid flax]

Greengrass, No Ticket

[limpid parcel]

my friend hit 11m in taupe but only got 6 mons, including camp ticket bonus, no screen shot so far, i’ll double check with him

[undone void]

Cyan Beach, 3 Mons, 1571375

Cyan Beach, 6 Mons, 7223403

Cyan Beach, 7 Mons, 13673465

Cyan Beach, 7 Mons, 30473422

Taupe Hollow, 4 Mons, 4556225

Taupe Hollow, 5 Mons, 4622038

Taupe Hollow, 5 Mons, 9925344

Taupe Hollow, 8 Mons, 43762600

[unreal jay]

Already at 437k is wild

[storm pendant]

Thanks @undone void

[bold zodiac]

Are you refering to the sneak snacking? I thought that is still working?

[pallid totem]

damn that's an old post

I thought they wouldve patched it by now

I guess it's not a priority atm

[pallid totem]

the 24/7 overflow method is BROKEN

just ask @brazen lichen

[bold zodiac]

You are referring to the never collecting berries, let snorlax snacking method right?

Are you on Mathcord by any chance or it is invite only?

[brazen lichen]

[pallid totem]

I think the link is for everyone

[brazen lichen]

its in the sidebar of the subreddit

[brazen lichen]

I think it works still https://twitter.com/EepyTessa/status/1705109688986275910

EepyTessa (@EepyTessa)

1,000,000🔥!!!! When I decided to catch a lot of Pichu to make this team, I never imagined it would reach 1 million strength so soon without the use of any whistles

Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 6:40 AM

[pallid totem]

yes

[bold zodiac]

Thanks for confirming! For some reason, the mathcord says #unknown to me.

Like this, I can't get in lol

[turbid jasper]

I've tightened the bounds for the greengrass 8 mons range with these:

[nocturne hatch]

lol I unintentionally set the new threshold for cyan beach 6 pokemon

[storm pendant]

updated

[pallid totem]

https://youtu.be/LyB-raT2P6c?si=7cJBwqL9LQL1_qHW

[nocturne hatch]

nice

[vestal grove]

I unlocked Snowdrop today right before moving locations but I chickened out and went back to Greengrass to try to build up a better team - not gonna lie, not knowing the score requirements had a big part to play in it! Especially as they probably follow the same trajectory as Cyan to Taupe with increasing requirements 😂

[unreal jay]

550k for m1

[storm pendant]

I think they mean for #seen too

I on the other hand decided to go to snowdrop knowing I will suffer.. for science 😎

if you just want to see the rank requirements

I wonder if I'll get to Ultra 😅

[wispy crane]

Im on snowdrop this week, might as well keep some data on mons range

painful

[vestal grove]

Yeah I’m wondering how high you have to score to see 4, 5, 6 mon etc

[storm pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/too-damn-high-jimmy-mc-millan-rent-is-too-damn-high-party-gif-15213958

[wispy crane]

holy shit 30 mil 7 mons

[storm pendant]

nice. you got a good spheal? i'm thinking of just going for sealeo to save me a bunch of levelling

[wispy crane]

Nope no good spheal yet

[wispy crane]

These only two decent but not the best

Given sealeo with speed up nature and help speed s is still slower than raticate, I don’t see why I should invest in a seal

Maybe if I catch a decent raw Walrein

[storm pendant]

probably not relevant to you since you'll have lots of candy but levelling spheal to lvl 24 is a pain. at least it's somewhat decent as sealeo.

but catching walrein is even better ofc

12->17 is 86 candy and evolve is another 40 candy. so you also save 126 candy (or 42 handy candy S) by catching as sealeo**

[twin kelp]

Going on Snowdrop next week with a very unprepared team

[wispy crane]

whats your team?

my team suffering in coldness

[twin kelp]

All my Spheal have been trash so I'm going with Absol, Kangaskhan, Raticate and Houndour on my team with my starter Raichu who's my only level 30

I know I should probably level them up before going to Tundra but I have massive novelty bias

[storm pendant]

might struggle with recipes without some more common ingredients but if you don't mind the occasional mixed meal i think your team is quite okay. or at least i'm saying that because might is also rather unprepared except for my raticate is lvl 27

not even basic 5 tonight but at least i'll find out the ranges for 3-4 mons 😛

[nocturne hatch]

you're already sending the screenshots of your encounters in #1151655446306902016 so we're already keeping track of it via there as well 😄

[twin kelp]

Just gotta pray for a dessert week ig 🙏

[nocturne hatch]

snowdrop 30,834,583 = 7 pokemon (the 8th is from good camp)

@wispy crane i can report your sessions here because I already look at these screenshots each day for our data collection anyways or do you wanna send them?

[nocturne hatch]

It seems that:

4,609,878 GG = 5 pokemon

This person has very clearly documented each research session for the past 10 weeks, consistently showing incense pokemon in row 9 and good camp pokemon in row 10.

I will ask them if they have a screenshot to be 100% sure, but I am pretty confident on this number

[bright bough]

Tighter cyan 7 mon:

[nocturne hatch]

Someone else gave me 1.5 month of encounter data of greengrass. The following inconsistencies with the known values are found:

4,605,419 -> 5 pokemon
12,897,054 -> 6 pokemon
4,589,362 -> 5 pokemon

1. The first one gives a VERY tight threshold!
2. The second one ..... something must have gone wrong there, I think they missed out a pokemon (because that value is well within the range where you find 7 pokemon)
3. The third one is also new, but the first one gives a tighter threshold.

I will see if I can verify them with screenshots, I'll ask the person

[nocturne hatch]

That person recorded the full list of pokemon & sleep styles, and elsewhere they wrote the total nr of encounters. I got the above by noting down all pokemon found in each sleep session. Now I look at where this person wrote the total nr of encounters, and I see that for the 12.8m drowsy power they indeed wrote that they found 7 pokemon, not 6. So I'm confident on that one. On the 4.5m and 4.6m drowsy power sessions, indeed this person wrote that they found 5 pokemon. Not 6. So that threshold at 4,604,419 seems real. The other 2 are irrelevant.

idk if you wanna include this since there's no screenshots to verify it (I'll ask the person if they still have them!), so it's up to you

[nocturne hatch]

nvm I just realised the 2nd value (4,605,419) is completely obsolete, since the data I showed before that gave a min threshold value of 4,609,878...

TL;DR

4,609,878 (GG) = 5 pokemon
30,834,583 (ST) = 7 pokemon

[storm pendant]

Snowdrop

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[bright bough]

Wow, do did you get 474k+ snorlax strength in 1 day, or is that a bunch of whistles?

[wispy crane]

yea

[wispy crane]

80

[undone void]

Greengrass Isle, 5 Mons, 4622038

Greengrass Isle, 6 Mons, 4629525

Greengrass Isle, 6 Mons, 8325024

Cyan Beach, 3 Mons, 1574240

Cyan Beach, 5 Mons, 3512920

Cyan Beach, 5 Mons, 7156032

Cyan Beach, 6 Mons, 13441344

Cyan Beach, 7 Mons, 13598962

Cyan Beach, 8 Mons, 30540030

Taupe Hollow, 4 Mons, 4620782

Snowdrop Tundra, 4 Mons, 3403176

Snowdrop Tundra, 4 Mons, 6617339

Snowdrop Tundra, 5 Mons, 7236789

Snowdrop Tundra, 5 Mons, 15245450

Snowdrop Tundra, 6 Mons, 15719140

[undone void]

Oh thanks to remind me ! I actually dont need to put the checkbox for incense since I already manually put it on row 9. so stupid to did that 😂

[storm pendant]

15mil still 5 mons 😐

[storm pendant]

updates highlighted, let me know if i got anything wrong. thanks @undone void

[nocturne hatch]

getting close on greengrass! I'm curious if there's a logical equation which determines what number is the precise threshold. This can give you some predictive values and target values to try to approach (e.g. if an empirical equation predicts the GG 6 threshold is 4,625,000 exactly then you could try to aim just above and just below it)

I might look at this at some point out of curiosity, I have no idea if someone tried this before though. It might be as simple as taking the middle value of the current thresholds and fitting a power law or exponential function through it (from x=3 to x=8), but idk

[storm pendant]

i wondered that too but gave up after mathing around for a bit unsuccessfully

for GG it jumps 115% from 4 to 5 and then 123% from 5 to 6. but for cyan it jumps 122% from 4 to 5 and then 104% from 5 to 6. so it doesn't seem like a consistent trend between areas?

[tepid flax]

i forgot what yellow-coloured cell means

[storm pendant]

just what's new since i last updated the pinned comment

[tepid flax]

ohh okay!

[eternal mountain]

Taupe Hollow 4 mons

[last grove]

Taupe Hollow 7 mons at 19,793,200 power

[last grove]

Yeah I also had a go at finding a function that fit GG's thresholds but to no avail, here's my work in case it's useful (just updated the values for GG): https://www.desmos.com/calculator/kkhqttdnly

I literally just tried a whole ton of different functions in the hope one of them would look like it could perfectly fit but alas even the more complicated ones lay outside the known bounds

It's possible they started with a simple exponential or something and then just added some noise or manually nudged the values or something?

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

updates highlighted

[little roost]

Snowdrop, 6

[nocturne hatch]

hahaha yea true you dont need to mention it, it's a super neat way of organising the pokemon encounters though for sure (and necessary, if you wanna be able to distinguish between normal encounters and incense/camp encounter in postprocessing)

[nocturne hatch]

nice attempts with those graphs, but the fact that none of them is a perfect fit does make me feel like they might have nudged the values manually a bit yeah.. 🤔

[nocturne hatch]

oh I just remembered I unintentionally set another new threshold value this morning lol

cyan beach 13,500,996 = 7 pokemon

[storm pendant]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

Snowdrop 7

[storm pendant]

updates highlighted

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

wow 6x 3*

have had that before?

wonder if snowdrop or taupe is better for rare styles and exp/dust

[unique dirge]

wtfff

6 3*

can i see the pkmn in this session?

[wispy crane]

Yea I was surprised

[storm pendant]

Absol belly up

Gulpin as your 4* is a bit rude though lol

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[wispy crane]

Ikr lol

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

Thanks for confirming I have no chance at 8 mons tonight

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

updates highlighted

@wispy crane back in taupe this week right? we need more data for master in snowdrop

[wispy crane]

Yea back in taupe for a week to get my pupitar to ttar

[storm pendant]

my guess is that the min threshold for 8 mons in snowdrop is somewhere between 64 - 72mil

[wispy crane]

Yep

Will test out next week for sure

[storm pendant]

i caught some decent mons last week for snowdrop but definitely won't be able to get to 64 mil when i go back. no more good camp too

[magic hedge]

in just 1 hour I will be able to greatly shrink the snowdrop tundra range

for 3-4

[magic hedge]

Behold!!! 4 mons. Snowdrop. Just 2.9m

No good camp obviously

Also this is probably not helpful at all but max for 3 mons is at least this much

[magic hedge]

Actually I can do even better than this

So yeah I hope this data is helpful. More to come tomorrow.

[lost geode]

Data for Snow. 98k and 102k for 5 Pokémon, bonus made it 6

21k was 3 Pokémon

[storm pendant]

Do you have the drowsy power? That's what determines #seen, not your strength.

For 5 mons in snowdrop the current range is 7.2m-15.2m power

[lost geode]

One moment

@storm pendant

[storm pendant]

Perfect, thanks!

[lost geode]

No problem!

[magic hedge]

Nice we narrowed it down from "below 3.4 million" to between 2,134,700 and 2,938,848

Tomorrow I'll aim for like 2.5m if I can get my math right and can accomplish that

[nocturne hatch]

tomorrow morning i'll have a drowsy power which sits like 3/4 of the way between 6 and 7 pokemons on taupe hollow, that was a tight squeeze but i managed lol

[dusk briar]

I'm in snowyland (yes i named it after myself) this week so if i get any useful results I will post em here!

actually i do have this! 4 mons with 6.66 mil

[crude birch]

snowdrop 6 mons 28,537,400

snowdrop 8 mons 66,358,600

[storm pendant]

lots of new data for snowdrop updated in yellow, thanks!

[nocturne hatch]

Taupe hollow

That is now a very narrow range lol!

9.938 - 9.942 mil

[dusk briar]

snowdrop!

[magic hedge]

Big snowdrop update. I shrunk the range for 3-4 by a large amount this morning

I wouldn't be surprised if this is right on the threshold

[wispy crane]

@storm pendant I might have to stay on taupe for another week lving up pupitar is so painful

[dusk briar]

snowdrop

[magic hedge]

Not to be rude but this isn't a useful data point because it's not between the max of one seen category and the minimum of another.

[dusk briar]

Oh I've been reading the numbers wrong this whole time lol I assumed it meant low end - high end

[magic hedge]

Its okay lol. As far as we're aware once you cross very specific point thresholds you get 1 extra mon

And this is about getting as close to discovering those exact thresholds

Snowdrop does have the most room for improvement tho. There's still multiple categories where the threshold could be within a range of hundreds of thousands of points

[devout shoal]

I wish I'd known about this before I went to snowdrop

wait, can't I see past data?

[dawn prairie]

you can, yeah

[devout shoal]

ah, I have no useful data though

sad

[dawn prairie]

you can see how many encounters you had too, and iirc bonus encounters are marked so you can exclude them

oh damn

[devout shoal]

outside of every range every day

[nocturne hatch]

gonna improve the 5-6 threshold for taupe hollow tonight hopefully 🤞

pro tip if you do 2 sessions (short or long) on a day, you can beforehand try to estimate a bit how much you need to get close to a threshold on your 2nd session, cuz you know exactly the sleep score you'll get (cuz the sleep scores of both sessions must add up to 100)

e.g. i did a 54 session before, now my overnight session will be 46 for sure, so with a 214,070 drowsy power that result in 9,847,220 drowsy power which is getting close to the threshold value for taupe hollow

gonna stop collecting berries when my snorlax power is in the range 215,768 - 216,136 😋

it's tricky tho with mons with a charge strength main skill

[storm pendant]

I tried this once but my plus+ decided to use a different strength than what I had when I started tracking resulting in me missing the threshold 😞

[nocturne hatch]

woow that sucks

this shouldn't go wrong

as long as i get 4 hours of sleep

46 * 216,024 is nicely within the threshold (a bit more on the upper part, cuz I prefer to find 6 instead of 5 pokemons lol)

and i have no pgp+ to screw me over :p

[nocturne hatch]

Taupe hollow 6 c:

[nocturne hatch]

accidentally did a too long nap so now i am about to improve the 6/7 threshold for taupe once again 🤣

[nocturne hatch]

(I just realised this was a waste cuz i already did this the day before dangit!)

the 9m and 19m threshold values are really messing with my brain

[storm pendant]

changes highlighted

[dusk briar]

should be around 21 mil tomorrow morning, for snowdrop. I'll share how many mons i get!

[magic hedge]

6

[dusk briar]

oh i guess so

man how its set up is really confusing to me ahaha, i probs just wont share anything here

[undone void]

Greengrass, 6 mons, 4626768

Greengrass, 7 mons, 19557600

Cyan Beach, 4 mons, 3511048

Taupe Hollow, 4 mons, 1838628

Taupe Hollow, 7 mons, 43324254

Snowdrop Tundra, 4 mons, 2857248

Snowdrop Tundra, 5 mons, 7206282

Snowdrop Tundra, 6 mons, 15499572

[nocturne hatch]

Taupe hollow

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

lots of updates. thanks @undone void

[storm pendant]

we're pretty good for 7 mon minimum. but if you have any data for 8 minimum btw 55mil and 66mil pls share! i'm guessing it's somewhere in the range of 64-66mil

or if you have naps btw 6.7-7.2 mil

[wispy crane]

Yea my main sleep tonight should be around 7 mil

I timed my nap today

[subtle mango]

Snowdrop 4* mons (+Eevee incense)

[crude birch]

Are you using Eevee incense?

[subtle mango]

Omg yes, sorry I totally forgot

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[subtle mango]

This one's actually better
Snowdrop 4

[storm pendant]

Your Monday is too strong for us 😅

[wispy crane]

this was misjudged

I thought I could get like 75mil for main sleep

I will test out tonight

gonna nap longer today

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

changes highlighted

[topaz matrix]

i might be in that 5-6 range tonight

[wispy crane]

snowdrop

[devout shoal]

that's outside of the range already though

[wispy crane]

Yea true

Ill@post my nap today

[unique dirge]

thats so bullshit

63m still isnt 8 mons

fuuuuu

[wispy crane]

[wispy crane]

Ikr

Snowdrop is hell

Imagine new island

[unique dirge]

bro fuck that fr

whats the number for 8 spawns so far?

i see 66 mil

[wispy crane]

Yea

Could be 66

I’m napping today to see

[unique dirge]

i need 1.3 m snorlax power to do 2 8 spawn sessions ugh

[wispy crane]

Gonna try 70 mil

[wispy crane]

Yea

[unique dirge]

greengrass all you need is 400k

[wispy crane]

Yea

[unique dirge]

thats annoying

[wispy crane]

Triple

[unique dirge]

i love encounters

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[crude birch]

Someone says the max for 7 is above 64,901,352

[eternal mountain]

Cyan 6 mons

[dire horizon]

Excuse me. Did you share url of this google sheet? I didn't find it in this post.
If you didn't, would you mind to share?

[magic hedge]

all the data is in the pinned message

[dire horizon]

Thank you.👍 But I need the column that ‘lower’ and ‘upper’.

[unique dirge]

@storm pendant

I think this helps for taupe 6 mon range

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

the highest we've got recorded for 5 mon is 9,925,344

[storm pendant]

changes in yellow. red text for the report which wasn't validated with a screenshot

[storm pendant]

added a link to the pinned comment

[dire horizon]

Got it. Thank you!

[upper mortar]

I have new info to contribute; Taupe drowsy power showed 42,456,500 with 7 spawns, the snacktime has 8 spawns and I'm not running GCT. Just finished the snacktime, I'll post pictures verifying this find in a few minutes
EDIT: I am half awake and forgot I'd used a charmander incense last night, apologies

[weak linden]

No specific Pokemon incense also?

[upper mortar]

disregard, you're right; I forgot I used a charmander incense

[weak linden]

Oh, hmm

[crude birch]

(no ss)
Greengrass 7 max: 19,560,772

Cyan 4 min: 1,580,337
Cyan 6 min: 7,163,730

Taupe 7 min: 19,569,525

Snowdrop 4 max: 7,140,200
Snowdrop 6 max: 28,626,500
Snowdrop 7 min: 28,847,500

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[wispy crane]

Snowdrop

[storm pendant]

@wispy crane magic number we're looking for is 64.9-66.3 mil

[topaz matrix]

one of us will probably hit it during good sleep

by accident

[storm pendant]

Jerry won't unless he accidentally hits the sleep button for 90 min sleep 😅.

[wispy crane]

Ill try to aim for 65 for nap today

[wispy crane]

@storm pendant perfectly timed

[storm pendant]

changes highlighted, red text for reports not validated with screenshots

[crude birch]

Cyan 8 min: 30,497,800

[remote goblet]

Damn the effort into figuring this all out

[civic bridge]

Agree its helps a lot

[topaz matrix]

oh forgot to send this last night @storm pendant

snowdrop

I mean it's probably to be expected, only decreases the min by 7k but oh well

[crude birch]

Taupe max 7: 43,438,300

[undone void]

delivery from last week~

Greengrass Isle, 6 mons, 8331004

Taupe Hollow, 6 mons, 19563120

Taupe Hollow, 7 mons, 19564376

Taupe Hollow, 7 mons, 43685001

Snowdrop Tundra, 4 mons, 6722982

Snowdrop Tundra, 5 mons, 15415155

Snowdrop Tundra, 7 mons, 28775360

Snowdrop Tundra, 8 mons, 66286416

[undone void]

I think I make a mistake. #1134842457469759499 message and #1134842457469759499 message should be same ss.
We're looking for the provider now and will confirm which location it belong soon.

sorry for the mess, it's my bad 😢

This is a new one, Greengrass Isle, 7 mons, 19563356

[nocturne hatch]

wow some of the ranges are becoming so narrow

[undone void]

confirm: 4622038 is 5 mons for Greengrass Isle, not Taupe Hollow

very sorry for that 😢

[nocturne hatch]

oh dang so the upper threshold around 4.6m for taupe is uncertain now?

probably after halloween i'll be back on taupe and i can try to get a value relatively close to it.

my score is too high now that my naps are aiming for the 10m threshold sadly

then again we can probably find a different screenshot

[undone void]

Seems some of boundaries between different islands are very similar.
5-6 in Greengrass and 4-5 in Taupe

7-8 in Greengrass and 6-7 in Taupe

5-6 in Cyan and 4-5 in Snowdrop

wondering if that’s anything relate to the mechanics 🤔

[nocturne hatch]

#1134842457469759499 message oh look, 4.8m is 5 mons

[nocturne hatch]

yep i noticed as well, maybe they're the same tbh

[nocturne hatch]

good starting point to restart from

[undone void]

I got a data for Taupe 5 mons is 4670146, but don't have SS for that

[nocturne hatch]

i also have the big data collection in #1151655446306902016 i can look through that

[undone void]

Do you think there's something to do with Snorlax Rank? I feel like there's a relationship between them (both kind of random numbers)

[nocturne hatch]

sounds plausible but when i compared them i didnt see a relationship

i only looked briefly tho

in our dataset, the highest drowsy power on taupe hollow with 4 pokemon is 4516053, and the lowest drowsy power with 5 pokemon is 4679409

[undone void]

👍 that's a much closer number for 5 mons

[nocturne hatch]

it's my own data actually from a while ago, so i can try to screenshot it once i finish my sleep session

hopefully the 5th pokemon in the list isnt available by incense, so that it 100% confirms it was 5 pokemon and not 4

[crude birch]

Someone says taupa min 5 is 4,623,322

With ss, it is 4,652,900

[nocturne hatch]

oh nice! they didnt use an incense i hope

[topaz matrix]

yeah we have some incense possibilities there

or wait i dont get it

4.652 is between min and max. This would just be expected?

it's already in our taupe range

[nocturne hatch]

our taupe 5 upper threshold is wrong, it's taken from a greengrass screenshot

so we were trying to find the next best number

that does have conclusive proof

the one above is likely the next best number for 5 on taupe, but then again, jigglypuff might be from an incense, we don't know from this screenshot alone

[crude birch]

should be no incense

[topaz matrix]

our taupe 5 upper threshold would be a 9.9 m number though?

we should already know that anything above the maximum possible value of the 5 mons minimum, and below the minimum possible value of the 6 mons minimum, should be 5. So this would be anything from 4,622,038 to 9,925,343

anything inside of this range just doesn't seem like it provides us additional info

[nocturne hatch]

I was referring to this message: #1134842457469759499 message

5 pokemon, taupe, 4,652,900

to replace the current 4,622,038, which was turned out to be erroneous (it was a value for greengrass)

[topaz matrix]

oh

so i guess ideally we'd get a lower number than that

[nocturne hatch]

yeah indeed we'd need to find a value for which we are confident it is correct. the previous one apparently wasn't

i should be able to aim for this value in the week after halloween

[topaz matrix]

makes sense i just got confused because i thought upper threshold was the 9m, not the upper threshold of the minimum

[nocturne hatch]

ahhhh i see

[storm pendant]

good observation but so strange that 6-7 GG is so different to 5-6 taupe

[storm pendant]

i'm gonna take this and mark it in red until we have a better one with ss

[storm pendant]

changes highlighted, reports not validated with SS in red

[crude birch]

Taupe 5 4,632,600

[undone void]

maybe they’re not suppose to be same all the time.

I compared Snorlax Rank between these islands, found out that some ranking scores are very close.

e.g.
G4 (53,006) in GG vs G1 (51,635) in TH,
U2 (93,540) in GG vs G3 (91,221) in TH,
M5 (321,146) in GG vs U5 (320,478) in TH.

supposing Snorlax Rank as ref for boundary line,
G4 as ref for 5-6 in GG, while G1 for 4-5 in TH, then these two boundaries are very close.
For next range, maybe U5 for 6-7 in GG, U1 for 5-6 in TH, so they are very different.
And then M5 for 7-8 in GG, U5 for 6-7 in TH, so they look similar again.

[storm pendant]

So weird going from taupe back to GG. Tonight with 1.5x DP I'll have 7 mons seen and it's only Monday!

[heavy laurel]

I tried manipulating my nap sleep on Saturday to fall between the grey zone for 6 mons on Taupe, but I guess I didn't let it simmer long enough before starting the sleep session, and was 25k under the lower boundary. 😞

[storm pendant]

I stayed up to make sure I hit the 8 mon threshold for 3x candy but then got sleep score 97 and only got 7 😅

[heavy laurel]

Ooof. Even 98 would’ve been enough for 8

[storm pendant]

Don't tell me that 😭

I woke up to my alarm and was certain I was asleep up to that point. I guess the plus+ thinks it knows better

[vivid knoll]

o are u running the 1/99 split strat?

[storm pendant]

No I don't nap

I wanted 100

[unique dirge]

[crude birch]

Sorry, taupe 4,623,322 should be 4, not 5
And someone says 5 min is 4,623,489

[storm pendant]

updated the pin, does it look okay?

[crude birch]

Yeah, thank you

Snowdrop
4 Min: 2,832,804
4 Max: 7,143,777
5 Min: 7,181,072

[storm pendant]

any SS?

[crude birch]

No

[undone void]

Taupe Hollow, 4mons, 4623489

[storm pendant]

to clarify when you say 5 min do you mean it is the minimum for 5 or the maximum for 4? i assume the minimum for 5 but only asking as shared above it seems to be for maximum for 4

[storm pendant]

changes highlighted. reports without SS validation are shown in red.

[crude birch]

I mean the same but it seems the one saying it was wrong or has misunderstood.

[magic hedge]

tbh can we stick to scores with screenshots then?

[unborn notch]

agreed, i’d rather have less precise ranges that i know are backed up with screenshots

[crude birch]

Snowdrop 3 mons
2,808,025

[storm pendant]

Moving forward I will only use scores with SS 👍

[sweet widget]

slightly narrower score for 5 mons taupe
4,632,108

[crude birch]

Snowdrop 5 mons 7,169,800

[nocturne hatch]

gonna cut off either 10% or 90% off the cyan beach 6 vs 7 threshold tomorrow morning!

i used no incenses and no good camp ticket (just a safety net if my sleepyhead forgets to take the screenshot in the morning lol!)

[topaz matrix]

f you @storm pendant I am just sitting here sneaky snacking to get just enough points so I can do a 70% sleep and leave myself over enough points to get another cynda spawn in my nap. The accuracy is just too much lol

[heavy laurel]

Taupe, 5 mons, 4,627,194

[nocturne hatch]

Cyan beach

[cinder juniper]

Accidentally had a snowdrop 4

[fair fractal]

anyone know how sleep score rounding works?

[dawn prairie]

i think it rounds down

i only have a single piece of evidence for this

on one good sleep day, the 1.5 multiplier turned my score into an odd fraction (.5), which rounded down

[nocturne hatch]

oh with the 1.5x multiplier it just rounds to the nearest integer as far as I've seen

based on what i've seen in #1151655446306902016 , although I have to say I don't pay very proper attention to it

[heavy laurel]

Here’s one data point I have that shows it rounded down 6,201,313.5 to 6,201,313

[fair fractal]

Interesting. I was interested in sleep score though. If you record 120 minutes of sleep, is that a 23 or a 24?

if you sleep twice a day this impacts how much drowsy power you can get on the 2nd sleep

[heavy laurel]

I checked my sleep log history, and it looks like it just uses normal rounding rules, so 23.529... would round to 24 points.

I have a 98 min nap that rounded down to 19 points (from 19.215), and a 90 min nap that rounded up to 18 points (from 17.647)

[topaz matrix]

should have a new test for taupe 8 mons today

[heavy laurel]

I'm targeting the gap between 5-6 on taupe right now, nap should be over in about 30 mins ... (hope my gpp synced my final snorlax strength before the nap 😬 🤞 )

[topaz matrix]

oh its possible i might end up over

oops

we'll see iguess

im rough estimating which might end up being wrong

[heavy laurel]

the line between 7-8 on taupe has a fairly big gap (like 77k difference), so it might still fall in there 🤞

[topaz matrix]

nah i forgot how big meganiums inventory was

it went over

sadly

at least i'll get my 8 spawns i guess

[heavy laurel]

Dang, my snorlax score didn't fully sync to my GPP, and it used a strength that was 1k shy of the gap. sad trombone noises

[topaz matrix]

rip

I was like 486.5k when i needed to be under 486.2k

[heavy laurel]

19,563,328 was still 6 mons on Taupe

[heavy laurel]

Greengrass, 4 mons, 972,009

[modest swallow]

@storm pendant

I should try to fish for specific strengths

[storm pendant]

As long as you don't have a PGP

[heavy laurel]

I was trying to fish for the GG #4-5 border with my remaining 49 sleep score overnight, but I got an [un]lucky meal crit that pushed me over. ... oh well

I've been fairly lucky with PGP as long as I try to hold the snorlax strength for about an hour before bed time. (But using the phone to track sleep is much quicker without having to wait, FWIW.)

[modest swallow]

I have about 70k strength rn

Enough that I can't snipe a specific low range rn 😦

13.99 puts me above the 3 threshold, rip

[undone void]

GG, 4mons, 970475

GG, 7mons, 8332110

GG, 8 mons, 19564224

CB, 6 mons, 13488028

ST, 6 mons, 15471600

ST, 7 mons, 65166800

ST, 8 mons, 65712275

[storm pendant]

updates in yellow

[nocturne hatch]

i wonder if we'll ever find the true limits

you'd really think there's some formula behind it but no luck so far

[storm pendant]

I wonder if he limit is rounded at all or complete rng number

So far it could still be rounded to nearest thousand

[heavy laurel]

Might be a similar pattern/formula for the snorlax rank thresholds? Those kinda seemed arbitrary too

[heavy laurel]

GG, 5 mons, 4,625,346

[magic hedge]

i cant find a specific pattern between the percentage increases across the different island tiers which makes me think if there is a formula its probably something fairly complicated

[modest swallow]

If we can get three exact values, I may be able to find a formula

Snowdrop, notably, is a massive spike over Taupe

Like double the growth other islands have

[sleek tangle]

damn yall are working hard

[nocturne hatch]

Ooo nice. Narrow ranges are still difficult I bet

[nocturne hatch]

Lol hey! Yea this is a cool project you started up 😎

[modest swallow]

yeah unfortunately even a little bit of range makes the formula creation much more difficult

[nocturne hatch]

Dang okay

Some ranges are insanely narrow already xD

So hard to hit them again

[modest swallow]

i mean

7 and 8 are pretty low

but a "small range" for reasonable math

would be like... 500

8 mons GG is like 900 still

[nocturne hatch]

Hmmmm

We'll manage eventually

[heavy laurel]

I took this sheet from my mega document of things I track in the game. I use this to figure out which teir gaps I can hit based on my current strength. The chart on the right is basically the same as pulsilver's, and I added a "grey zone" column to show how much of a gap is between each tier. The middle section (Column I) is where you can set your area/strength/score/etc. The right-most columns show the minimum sleep score you'd need to reach the lower/upper DP numbers, and the Avg column is the midpoint of those strengths, with the Delta column tell you how close you are to reaching the midpoint. (Penny pinching points you feed Snorlax comes in clutch for this.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FKz_Zt8ZH51Dqt3yJy2X8n2FD-E08gorLJs0C-NGCI4/edit?usp=sharing

Just thought I'd share in case anyone else wanted to try their hand at targetng the DP gap ranges with some naps. (Be sure to make a copy of the sheet to make your own edits, or tweak it to your heart's content -- but you'll want to also keep it updated when new lower/upper limits are shared)

[undone void]

TH, 7 mons, 43690548

It’s very hard now indeed. I tried to control the Snorlax Strength by feeding berries 1 by 1, but still very difficult to get exact scores, especially when the gap within 1000.

[heavy laurel]

GG, 8 mons, 19,563,768

[undone void]

CB, 6 moms, 13488132

Tiny improvement 😂

[heavy laurel]

TH, 3 mons, 1,818,880

[undone void]

TH, 7 mons, 43695336

TH, 6 mons, 9936924

TH, 7 mons, 19563600

There’s only 412 between 7(19,563,356) and 8(19,563,768) in GG.
If what we guess is correct, that would be same gap between 6 and 7 in TH.

So I tried to sleep a close score to 19,563,768 in TH to get 7 mons. And it work! It’s only 244 of the gap now.

[crude birch]

The snorlax strength in the drowsy power calculation is slight higher than that before starting the session.

Does anyone know how to fix it?
e.g.

1. Before session: 10,000
2. In caculation: 10,002~10,009
3. After session: 10,002~10,009

I have restarted before the session

[heavy laurel]

I’ve noticed this before too, but I believe it’s a rounding error on the display. If you give a favorite berry and it shows an odd number gain, that’s where the rounding error shows up.

E.g. my Cyndaquil says +99 when feeding a berry on TH, but it actually gives +100. If you go into Pokémon menu and then come back, the display updates appropriately

[crude birch]

Thank you. After some tries, I think so.

[topaz matrix]

maybe I'm just slow but has anyone else noticed this?

can probably help us come up with better test numbers

I'm guessing it's some [weird rounded number] in some sort of formula

[half lotus]

i noticed the similarities for gg and taupe but didn't think too much of it

[crude birch]

Bad news
The boundary is not thousands nor hundreds
gg 3mons 965,202
gg 4mons 965,250

I may be able to get more exact nos so I will post SS after I finish

[storm pendant]

that is bad news.. how could they pick some random numbers without any clear formula 😮

did a monkey pick

[storm pendant]

updates highlighted

[crude birch]

gg 3mons 965,223
gg 4mons 965,232

some more tries in the next few days

[storm pendant]

thanks for your hard work! with my PGP issue i gave up trying to target thresholds

[weak linden]

Damn, gonna get the exact value in difference of 9 lol

[topaz matrix]

o wow getting close

[topaz matrix]

same

[heavy laurel]

Aren't the thresholds for Snorlax strength ranks also psuedo-random looking too? They're not pretty round numbers (AFAIK), but at least they're also not hidden either.

[nocturne hatch]

yep they're probably the same, so that makes me think there is more logic to it

[topaz matrix]

yeah I bet there is something to decode. some way of rounding rounded numbers and then rounding again prob

[crude birch]

gg 3mons 965,230
gg 4mons 965,232
So the min for 4 is 965,232 or 965,231 (to be tested)

965,231 is only achievable with 965,231 strength and score 1 (just manually input 8h24m, i.e. score 99, before the session)
(even not achievable with 1.5 multiplier)
Hope someone can test it

[crude birch]

Gg 4mons 2,073,645
Gg 5mons 2,073,732
A few more tries tmr

[storm pendant]

I don't think I can get that high in GG and if I did it would be such a waste to manual sleep 99 😞

[crude birch]

okay, may be we should just forget such power unlikely to achieve

[storm pendant]

Even if we narrow it to just 1 we don't know if the lower or upper power is used as the threshold in the formula right?

So it could be if > 965,230 then 4

Or if > 965,231 then 4

Or if >= 965,232 then 4

[crude birch]

I think they take rounding into consideration, so 1 should not matter much?

[tepid estuary]

I think for most intents and purposes knowing the threshold to within +-1 should be enough for interpolation, assuming the formula is something mildly reasonable (since it's likely some non-integer being rounded anyway)

[nocturne hatch]

Wow!

Oh yea having it down to x or x+1 is 100x better than having it to a range of 100 numbers

[topaz matrix]

hey you could always get 929% and get 965231 lol

[heavy laurel]

Makes you wonder if the other thresholds might be psuedo-prime semiprimes too ... made up with exactly two (semi-large) prime factors that fit within the desired tier range 🤔

Like RSA Numbers, but on a much smaller scale

[topaz matrix]

yeah im wondering how much of their random rounding stuff is just weird obfuscation

would make sense that they'd go with something like this if they were focused on that

[heavy laurel]

If all the borders were semiprimes, that would be pretty smart because no one would normally be able to hit the border exactly anyways, so less worry about edge-case scenarios occurring.

[storm pendant]

So am I the only one who thinks the numbers are not well considered and chosen mostly randomly or by a monkey 😅

[topaz matrix]

im like internally polarized between the two opposite possibilities - like either it's genius or monkeylike, i dont know which one

[undone void]

The Snorlax rank, EXP and dream shards from sleep rewards also looks random numbers. They probably use same logic or, same monkey

19563500 for 6 mons in TH,
19563600 for 7.
only 100 of the gap.
Will try maybe 560 or 580 later, hopefully could narrow down within 50.

[crude birch]

gg 4mons 2,073,694
gg 5mons 2,073,696
So the min for 5 is 2,073,696 or 2,073,695 (to be tested)

Combinations of 2,073,695:
31,903 * 65
33,995 * 61
159,515 * 13
414,739 * 5

[crude birch]

gg 7mons 8,331,557

gg 5mons 4,626,069

[storm pendant]

changes highlighted. i added the uncertainty (diff between upper and lower - 1) now that @crude birch is honing in on them

[heavy laurel]

TH, 5 mons, 9,932,490

[undone void]

CB, 7 mons, 13488870

TH, 5 mons, 4626538

TH, 6 mons, 19563525
TH, 7 mons, 19563562

[crude birch]

gg 4mons 2,073,694
gg 5mons 2,073,695

[weak linden]

Damn, you figured out the exact number

Congratulations

[crude birch]

It's frustrating that the exact no for 4 mons is hard to acheive

[cinder juniper]

[tepid flax]

holy you guys are working really hard

mad props

[heavy laurel]

CB, 4 mons, 1,578,456

[clear cairn]

Cyan Beach

[crude birch]

gg 5mons 4,626,378
gg 6mons 4,626,380
So the min for 6 is 4,626,380 or 4,626,379 (to be tested)

4,626,379 is prime #

Combinations of 4,626,379:
4,626,379 * 1
3,084,253 * 1 * 1.5x

[nocturne hatch]

i wouldnt be surprised if they are all prime numbers

wouldnt be so surprised if there was some math geek (pun unintended) at select button who made sure the thresholds are primes 😂

[crude birch]

Hopefully can figure out min for 7 this week
8 is too high for my subaccs, so will move to cyan next week

[heavy laurel]

The 4-5 threshold in GG proves that it's not always a prime or semiprime border, though.

CB, 5 mons, 7,160,855

I was hoping to hit the upper limit on 6 and replace some of the "screenshot unverified" numbers that are still left. 😛

[nocturne hatch]

oh i see, that theory goes in the bin then

[crude birch]

gg 6mons 8,331,408
gg 7mons 8,331,417

[storm pendant]

updates highlighted

[heavy laurel]

Is there a screenshot to go with these numbers? 😇

[dawn prairie]

the unconfirmed CB 6 minimum is 7.1 mil and i have proof for only 7.3 mil

do you still want screenshots like the one i have until something better comes along? if you want to hang onto the unconfirmed numbers, shift+F2 lets you add a note to individual cells

[heavy laurel]

CB, 6 mons, 7,163,460

I was trying to target that unconfirmed number for CB-6 yesterday, but I accidentally let it "oversleep" a few minutes and it bumped my score 1 point higher than I needed. (Doh.) Finally got it today though. 🥳

[crude birch]

I will do more tries so finally upload at once
Or you can find yourself here
I am updating when I get new number

[crude birch]

cyan 4mons 1,574,498

[heavy laurel]

CB, 8 mons, 30,494,500

[heavy laurel]

CB, only 5 mons, 7,162,160

[crude birch]

GG
6 8,331,414 8,331,417 7
7 19,563,456 19,563,768 8

Cyan
3 1,574,240 1,574,498 4
4 3,511,232 3,511,244 5
5 7,162,286 7,163,460 6

[undone void]

TH, 3 mons, 1825082

TH, 4 mons, 4626375
TH, 5 mons, 4626380

TH, 6 mons, 19563552
TH, 7 mons, 19563558

TH, 8 mons, 43743108

[undone void]

TH, 4 mons, 1834163

TH, 4 mons, 4626378

[heavy laurel]

Nice! Only 1 number left for the 4-5 TH threshold 🥳

[undone void]

99.99% sure the boundary of 5-6 in GG as same as 4-6 in TH

7-8 in GG and 6-7 in TH would be same as well

Any genius can figure out the formula behind that? 👀

[heavy laurel]

Those do look suspiciously similar ... exact same gap too.

[undone void]

Yep, and same difficulty to reach

[heavy laurel]

4,626,379 being prime is hard, but the next GSD event is coming up in about 2 weeks, and hopefully someone could get to 3,084,253 by Tues or Thurs for the x1.5 multiplier (and a sleep score of 1) to hit it. (I don't think the 2.5 multiplier on Wed would work though.)

[undone void]

Seriously, some scores seems impossible to get, either requires super high strength (Master 15+ in TH) or need to sacrifice lots sleeping EXP.
It’s not easy to find the final threshold

[undone void]

How’s the rounding work? 2.5 multiplier seems slightly reasonable to me

[heavy laurel]

DP rounds down

I haven't proven it won't work yet, but I couldn't find anything quickly that did work. YMMV

[dawn prairie]

math itself is gaslighting me

so i have 2 GSD scores that have decimals right

the first one rounded down like you said (,602.5 -> ,602.0)

here's the other one

330,217 * 95 = 31,370,615
31,370,615 * 1.5 = 47,055,922.5

how did it round up by more than an entire point? why would it do this now and not last time?

[tepid flax]

[topaz matrix]

nothing beats select button math

[crude birch]

Cyan
3 1,574,328 1,574,336 4

[dusk crescent]

Idk if this counts and if I should go through all of my data similar to this. Ig what I'm asking is this what your looking for?
12/10
TH, 7 mons, 9,510,298

[sweet widget]

that would be 6 mons btw, because we're counting without incense.
if you look at the pins, you can see the thresholds that have been narrowed down for: minimum power for x amount of spawns.
if you get any data that's within those thresholds, then it helps to narrow the numbers down

[dusk crescent]

Sorry, I should've figured incense mons were excluded. I read the recently posted excel spreadsheet and thought those were the min/max thresholds. But I see the pinned post from September. Idk why finding pins on mobile is so difficult . Again, oopsie daisies 😬

[sweet widget]

no worries was just explaining, wasn't meant to be a telling off or anything

[dusk crescent]

All good! I figured! I asked because I had no idea and just wanted to help if I could! Unfortunately I went through all of my data and none of it meets the needs for what is asked 🤷🏼‍♀️

[heavy laurel]

I get used to screenshotting my Sleep Type screen (where it says "you had X% more Y-type sleep" -- tracked for another project), and the following screen with colored spawn circles around Snorlax (or lined up at the bottom) and the Drowsy Power displayed, since those shown spawns never count incense or camp spawns there.

But we're human, so the sleep log is a good fallback, but just have to be aware that bonus camp spawns have the "+Bonus" tag, but incense spawns aren't tagged and would be at the end of the list (just before any bonus spawn), but only certain mons can be incense spawns, so sometimes that's self-explanatory too.

So 9.5mil DP would easily fall in the current 5 mons range (for TH), plus an Eevee incense and bonus camp spawn = 7 mons.

[nocturne hatch]

nice i am also tracking the "...% more .. than usual" in #1162807020437651526

it seems to be based on a 30-session average, although there is a round-off error it seems

[heavy laurel]

ST, 4 mons, 2,831,760

[crude birch]

Cyan
3 1,574,328 1,574,331 4

[storm pendant]

so many changes 😮

[nocturne hatch]

i wonder if the thing works here

perhaps if we make @opaque cipher join lol

actually, that would be a super useful way for people who have no clue about this thread to find it

[nocturne hatch]

ayyy it worked

[weak linden]

Damn

[nocturne hatch]

probably only because i tagged the bot though

[weak linden]

@opaque cipher did it

[nocturne hatch]

cuz it's not present in channels like these by default

[storm pendant]

What's this?

[stone isle]

What did you drag me into this time xD

[nocturne hatch]

if a message gets 5 reactions, it gets posted in #dreamscape

was added yesterday (see #server-announcements)

[mellow bridge]

Will need to test this in another thread now without pinging gaius play

Or i can just remove it from the post and we test

[mellow bridge]

@nocturne hatch tested and confirmed in another thread, that the bot does not need to be pinged and added in. It'll post in dreamscape even if it's not in the thread.

[nocturne hatch]

Ah interesting!

[heavy laurel]

FYI, I think you missed the lower boundary reports for GG 6-7 and 7-8 mons: #1134842457469759499 message

[undone void]

CB, 6 mons, 7163151

TH, 5 mons, 9935770

TH, 6 mons, 9936304

TH, 7 mons, 19563554

[heavy laurel]

ST, 3 mons, 2,819,808

[crude birch]

Cyan 5_3,511,238

Cyan 6_7,162,715

[crude birch]

Will try 1,574,330 this weekend and 3,511,234 next week

[nocturne hatch]

🤯

[heavy laurel]

ST, only 5 mons, 15,445,404

[muted smelt]

taupe hollow 7 mons at 43352900

[heavy laurel]

Your DP number (43,352,900) is already within the known range for 7 encounters in TH: 19,563,554 - 43,695,336 -- if you have a DP number that's outside this range and still gave you 7 encounters (excluding incense or GCT), then that is the kind of data we're looking for. 😃 (e.g. greater than 43,695,336 DP)

[crude birch]

Cyan
3 1,574,328 1,574,331 4
4 3,511,233 3,511,235 5
5 7,162,380 7,162,384 6
6 13,488,255 13,488,328 7

Will try 1,574,330 & 7,162,381 tmr and 3,511,234 & 7,162,383 next week

[heavy laurel]

ST, only 4 mons, 7,158,750

[crude birch]

Cyan
3 1,574,328 1,574,330 4
4 3,511,233 3,511,235 5
5 7,162,380 7,162,381 6
6 13,488,262 13,488,280 7

[heavy laurel]

ST, only 6 mons, 28,660,200

Should be the last “unverified” number gone now too 🎉

[heavy laurel]

Just replying with new values underlined to make it easier to see the new reports:

Cyan
3 1,574,328 1,574,330 4
4 3,511,233 3,511,235 5
5 7,162,380 7,162,381 6
6 13,488,262 13,488,280 7

---

[undone void]

CB, 8 mons, 30492480

TH, 6 mons, 9936162

TH, 8 mons, 43716240

TH, 7 mons, 43705016

[heavy laurel]

I assume most folks are going to GG for the holiday event, but anyone not planning to hit GG (maybe since it's mostly solved so far?)

[heavy laurel]

ST, only 6 mons, 28,717,725

[nocturne hatch]

sorry, definitely not 😅

most days i check if i can contribute to this but i can't compete with your incredible strats

i was definitely close to contributing last week with snowdrop but nope

[heavy laurel]

FYI, I think your TH-6mons limits are wrong/backwards. HSH reported TH, 6 mons, 9,936,162 which should be the Upper column for 6 (not Lower column meaning 5)

So those lines should be:

Taupe Hollow 5 4,626,380 9,935,770 4,626,378 4,626,380 1
Taupe Hollow 6 9,936,162 19,563,552 9,935,770 9,936,162 391

[undone void]

GG, 8 mons, 19563553
(I assumed this is the lower for 7 in TH as well)

[nocturne hatch]

wow

that is exactly the value in the middle of taupe's limit

so it does sound reasonable that it is the definitive limit

now someone just needs 19,563,552 and find only 7 mons

in GG

i find it really impressive how y'all get precisely these numbers lol

I am guessing you tune this by:

1. doing a nap of score s
2. then see what drowsy power dp you need such that dp * (100-s) is exactly the limit you want to hit
3. get within a few thousand points of the required snorlax power sp (e.g. sp - 2000)
4. calculate a meal you can make which gives exactly the remaining required snorlax power (2000 in this example)
5. start a sufficiently long sleep session

if im lucky i can try doing this for the greengrass limit tomorrow (i should have enough snorlax power i think..) but it sounds rough

[nocturne hatch]

oh wait you'd need one of these sleep scores

that's so crazy, you'd have to "sleep" precisely the required time to get one of these sleep scores

[undone void]

I usually only calculate berries strength to reach the Snorlax Strength that I want. It’s a “risk” to make a meal, you might get a crit in “accident”

[nocturne hatch]

lol true

that's impressive tho i would never have the patience to calculate all the berries

much more flexibility with meals

e.g. you can easily make 6969 or something for the memes

[undone void]

Yep, meal is much easier (I actually did that twice, but failed once

Every time when I close to the Snorlax Strength I need, I start doing crazy maths (yep, it’s a maths game

[nocturne hatch]

but how do you even do the sleep score? that sounds even more complicated

tho i guess we can't really discuss this cuz of rules

but i guess you do a 21 session first so that your next is a 79 guaranteed or sth?

[undone void]

It depends, but usually nap first indeed. However, it’s nearly impossible to sleep under 18 score, so some testing is tough

[nocturne hatch]

yea true..

[undone void]

I guess I’ll stay in GG for next two weeks, so probably no more test for me this year.

Good luck for you!

[nocturne hatch]

i mean the 7-8 thing still needs confirmation

i highly doubt i'll manage to get it

[undone void]

There’re 9 chances to do it!

Ganbatte!

[nocturne hatch]

[crude birch]

If you failed I can try next week
208k should be reachable for my subacc

[heavy laurel]

This is how I usually try to tune:

1. for each threshold range, take the "upper" boundary and divide it by my current snorlax power sp (also divide by any event bonus multiplier) rounded down to find a sleep score s for that threshold/tier
2. for each tier sleep score s, calculate the minimum snorlax power sp1 by rounding up the "lower" boundary divided by s (also divide by any event bonus multiplier), and calculate the maximum snorlax power sp2 by rounding down the "upper" boundary divided by s (etc)
3. I also calculate the mid point between sp1 and sp2 as a target sp goal, to try a "binary search" and eliminate roughly half the unknown range each time
4. now you just feed your snorlax until you are within the desired sp range. †
5. If you use the PGP like me, I usually have to wait an hour before sleeping for this final sp to sync and be used in research, so I'll typically switch to a team with just one mon and a really big inventory and/or slow frequency so that it won't start sneaky snacking during this hour (e.g. my Wigglytuff is nice, since its skill procs won't add strength) -- you can always switch back to your desired team right before napping.
6. Then I find a reliable place to nap, start my sleep session and set my wakeup alarm timer to be desired sleep score s x 5.1 minutes, plus 5 minutes for the "time taken to fall asleep" if you don't fidget too much at the start of the sleep session. (From experience, don't snooze your alarm either, because 2.5 minutes later can cause it to round up to the next sleep score and throw off your targets.)

† Meals can give a big chunk, so need to be careful that what you cook won't push you over, even if it crits. Feeding berries is the most reliable way to count calories. I usually wait a bit and let their inventories get full, let sneaky snacking get us pretty close (like maybe within 1000), then you could feed 1 berry from each to know for sure how much those berries are worth (if you're not tracking all your mon's berry values like a crazy person me), and now you calculate how many of which berries get you closest to your goal.

Since snorlax power can only grow (i.e. there's nothing you can do to reduce your current sp without a full reset), this method shows you the next sp ranges that you can shoot for by reaching a certain s score. If you overshoot the range, the s score typically adjusts down and newer higher min-max strengths are shown.

Also, this method isn't totally foolproof when the unknown threshold range is very small. In those cases there are probably only a few handfuls of possible numbers that would work, so accidentally finding one is probably unlikely, so it might be better to try targeting a different larger range (if there is one).

I've shared a sheet that helps calculate using this method, but I welcome any feedback too: #1134842457469759499 message

[crude birch]

Cyan 5mons 3,511,234

[heavy laurel]

There are only two ways to target a specific sleep score:

1. shoot for it in the first sleep session (for values 18 to 100); or
2. do a (100 - X) score nap first, so that X is the most you can get in the second sleep session.

e.g. to target a sleep score of 1, you'd need a 99 score first, then your second sleep will never be greater than 1. (But beware of sneaky snacking during that first long sleep if you're already at your SP goal; a single skill mon with large inventory and low frequency should help keep from accidental snacking.)

[heavy laurel]

IMHO, using an alarm to wake up at an exact time for an exact score isn't against the rules -- and if you have to enter manual data for an untracked sleep, estimating that time seems to be implicitly allowed as well. (Since manual data has a steep cost to dissuade abuse.)

[undone void]

Sleep with low energy could slow down the speed as well. My Gulpin never get his inventory full when sleep under 20 energy.

But 99 EXP, that’s a big sacrifice 😳

[heavy laurel]

A lot of the work we do here is a sacrifice compared to other forms of min-maxing. But at least the work we do here has some lasting value in helping discover threshold numbers that can be widely used in other projects (e.g. https://discord.com/channels/1129035839398228028/1165495315227496479 )

I've actually enjoyed being able to relax the first part of this week on GG, since the early tiers are pretty much solved until you get to a higher strength later in the week.

[heavy laurel]

Factor pairs of 19,563,552 (with at least one being between 18-100):
96 x 203,787 (Master 1)
72 x 271,716 (Master 3)
54 x 362,288 (Master 6)
48 x 407,574 (Master 7)
36 x 543,532 (Master 10)
32 x 611,361 (Master 11)
27 x 724,576 (Master 11)
24 x 815,148 (Master 12)
18 x 1,086,864 (Master 14)

[nocturne hatch]

ahhh yeah i see, that also makes sense. I do think that if i do this, i will use meals cuz you can easily calculate it (there is a calculator on the mathcord and i also integrated that in the spreadsheet in #1150475651820826675)

just gotta realise in time

[nocturne hatch]

goddamn these are so specific

I think i might be able to readh 362k by the end of the day so i'll try to do a 46 nap just in case

and switch up my team a bit

[nocturne hatch]

ok so im aiming for a 46 sleep score session. clicking "sleep" at 10:20, and making sure to not move a single inch (not cheating). 5.1*46+5=239.6 min, so that is basically exactly 4 hours. So I set my alarm at 14:20?

need 60k more points for 360k but i think i will manage that with lunch and berries, and then i do via dinner precisely the required amount

ok i started at precisely 10:20 and not moving anymore at all (so uhh I'm asleep now I guess, bye )

[nocturne hatch]

I hope this is how I should do it

[heavy laurel]

Sounds like a solid plan to me 💤

[nocturne hatch]

ayy the alarm just went

let's see

YES

exactly 46

gonna try really hard not to overshoot

362,288

i'll sacrifice my final dinner if i have to (i.e. if i need to make like a really low score meal)

332k now after lunch (used 89 ingredients)

[stable whale]

Anyone know what the sleep score requirements to unlock a 4 star sleep are for naps? I'm currently napping on Greengrass hunting RR and while I'm master 6, I'm uncertain how to guarantee it will occur.

[nocturne hatch]

Seems to be around 10m, idk if i have seen anyone get them at lower

10m also possible at taupe tho iirc

Just from the top of my head tho so dont quote me on it...i do have a lot of saya in #1151655446306902016 but im not planning on looking at this anytime soon

Data* not saya lol

[nocturne hatch]

17k left at 7pm. Definitely gonna manage to do it tonight (via dinner)

unless

My meal crits

xD

[heavy laurel]

Whew; I'm sitting at 271,716 sp now, so if I don't see anyone else hitting 19,563,552 DP before I go to bed, I should be able to hit it with a 72 (6:07) sleep score (if I can keep the snackers away until then) ... if someone else hits it before I start (or if a mess up and let a snack in), I'll just feed dinner and move on

[nocturne hatch]

Im gonna hit it unless my dinner crits

Just gonna plan dinner rn then go sleep (it's 1am)

I'll let you know if i manage

Otherwise you can try hitting slightly above (i believe... or below??) To tighten the threshold if possible

[stone isle]

Excuse the horrible discord video quality

[nocturne hatch]

I DID IT

Good night ✌️

[sweet widget]

gl gl

[nocturne hatch]

Greengrass

[undone void]

Well done

[nocturne hatch]

Thanks, I'm both proud of myself and impressed with the fact that yall seem to do this almost everyday

I sacrificed a 89 pot meal for this even

[undone void]

Looking on the bright side, you saved 89 ingredients for Sunday crits!

[nocturne hatch]

Nah i had to swap out an ingredient mon for a berry mon to restore the balance

[crude birch]

Cyan 7mons 13,488,264

[crude birch]

I can go to Taupe now so will try 3~4 and 5~6

[heavy laurel]

I guess I’ll be going back to the Tundra tomorrow, since there’s more unknowns there, and I still didn’t find a Delibird yet

[undone void]

Just looked up some sleep history, Drowsy Power on GSD is so weird.

951,559x38x1.5=54,238,863
but shows 54,238,860 in game.

966,915x62x1.5=89,923,095
In game, it's 89,923,088

wha't wrong with their math 🤯

[heavy laurel]

Do you recall if it looked odd when you first saw the score (not on the sleep history screen)?

I wondered if it could be a rounding bug on the multiplier just when viewed on the history screen. Like maybe it uses 1.4999999 instead of 1.5 🤔

The snorlax power wouldn't be a decimal, and I wouldn't think sleep score could be a decimal (or we'd notice that outside events too)

Android vs Apple visual glitch maybe?

[undone void]

Nah, unfortunately that’s the only image I have.

I was inputting encounter datas from other users and noticed such odd scores.
There’re couple cases that DP not match the multiplication, but usually have only 1 or 2 gap. I think that’s some kind of weird rounding thing.

Like this is what I got today:

227,985x90x1.5=30,777,975
But it shows 30,777,976 on all screen

Have no idea if the difference is more than 3 🤯
Btw, that’s on Android I think.

[undone void]

Hmmm, not sure about that. I used to have different numbers showed up on the spawn screen:

In game that said I slept for 6”52. But for score 81, should be 6”53”06. So maybe, sleep score is a decimal

[dawn prairie]

when this happened to me, it was from recording the first score screen's number as text, then later noticing how big the rounding gap was.
i compared it to the sleep history screen and the numbers matched so i don't think it's a history screen thing
#1134842457469759499 message

[nocturne hatch]

@turbid jasper didnt you also run into this issue?

[turbid jasper]

yeah we had this issue when we were tabulating the sleep scores on sleep day

it wasn't just me, i think bot_jerry and others too

it is definitely some weird rounding glitch, but im not sure where it occurs

[heavy laurel]

ST, only 5 mons, 15,458,625

Darn, I went over the target for hitting 7,162,381 DP in ST (need exactly 166567 x 43) to see if that upper limit is the same as the limit in CB

I guess I can still easily test to see if the lower limit (7,162,380) is the same though.

[crude birch]

Cyan 3mons 1,574,329

[heavy laurel]

ST, only 6 mons, 28,766,076

[undone void]

ST, 4 mons, 7160475

ST, 7 mons, 65547376

ST, 6 mons, 28769310

[storm pendant]

I will update tomorrow

[heavy laurel]

I didn’t notice the first screen, but I think you’re right. The “rounding” error showed when I reviewed sleep today, and also in the history. (I did delay reviewing this morning, so I’m not sure if that’s a factor either.)

[crude birch]

Taupe
3 1,829,445 1,829,456 4

5 9,935,820 9,935,828 6

[heavy laurel]

ST, 7 mons, 28,773,000

[heavy laurel]

Gottem 😎

ST, only 4 mons, 7,162,380

[crude birch]

Taupe 7mons 19,563,553

The screen right before this showed 19,563,552

[undone void]

I got the same result on GG actually

But I just ignored it. There’s no way 3 x 1 = 2

[weak linden]

3 star at such a low DP in GG

Also 3 × 1 = 2, I never knew about it

[crude birch]

Taupe 5mons 9,935,822

[heavy laurel]

ST, only 5 mons, 15,465,920

[crude birch]

Taupe 4mons 1,829,448
Will try 1,829,446 with 1.5x next GSD

[heavy laurel]

FYI, I just noticed all this week (New Years Event) is a 1.5x DP multiplier, so might be able to try sooner than next GSD

But 1.5 multiplier also seems to cause crazy rounding bugs to show up more often, so need to be careful there. 😔

[weak linden]

It's 1.5 multiplier for sleep experience for Pokemon

Not drowsy power actually

[heavy laurel]

ah, I overlooked that. Thanks.

[civic bridge]

I got similar results too

[crude birch]

GG

8,331,415 = 66,919 * 83 * 1.5x

Taupe

1,829,446 = 32,963 * 37 * 1.5x
1,829,446 = 71,743 * 17 * 1.5x
1,829,446 = 174,233 * 7 * 1.5x

9,935,824 = 105,141 * 63 * 1.5x
9,935,824 = 245,329 * 27 * 1.5x
9,935,824 = 315,423 * 21 * 1.5x

9,935,827 = 287,995 * 23 * 1.5x

[heavy laurel]

I was also just working on a shortlist of possible combinations (not considering GSD, since rounding can be less than reliable sometimes) for the really tight gaps that only have a few choices to hit:

Taupe-6 has the best sub-million strengths that could be reasonably reached someday.

E.g. if can hit TH6-9935825 at 397,433 power, then that would be either an upper or lower limit and decide which half to target next.

[nocturne hatch]

can't wait for CB7 to be confirmed

[heavy laurel]

Probably only around Master 26, nbd

[nocturne hatch]

i might be able to narrow the snowdrop 6 limit a bit tonight

oh wait i miscalculated my nap by an hour, great 😂

guess not

[snow gull]

Cyan
new 7 upper I think?

[heavy laurel]

Nice. Closed that gap from 19k to 1k now 🎉

[heavy laurel]

Cyan, 8 mons, 30,492,000

[crimson saddle]

Snowdrop, 7 mons, 65,626,300

[heavy laurel]

CB, 8 mons, 30,491,748

[crude birch]

CB, 7 mons, 30,491,675

[nocturne hatch]

im now at 600k, might be able to hit 65m tonight if my insane dinner meal doesn't crit (although i kinda want it to crit)

on snowdrop

[heavy laurel]

You’ll want to be between 656,263 and 657,122 if you’re shooting for 100 sleep score. (656,693 is a decent mid-point to aim for, btw).

If you go over those numbers, then you’ll have to be more careful about hitting an exact sleep score for your SP range (like 99, etc)

[nocturne hatch]

yess I'm gonna try to do that!

definitely need a few more pot upgrade proccs tho my eevees aren't cooperating

[nocturne hatch]

the best meal i can make will get me 3k short (without crit)
if it does crit, i hit master 3 for the incense

I could make a much weaker dish and hope for a crit to push me into the ST8 range, but I'd rather choose for the former 😦

well I'm at 654,947 now

this is frustrating

i have to start my session literally now to get 100 score

totally didn't use a whistle

656,796 now..

[nocturne hatch]

got it

nice

now starting my session immediately cuz i might struggle to get 100 score lol

[heavy laurel]

I’m guesstimating that 8:35 hrs from then would be <t:1704695940> (or later)

[nocturne hatch]

Hahah i overslept so I got like 9:20h

Too bad it's still 7 but that means I more than halved the size of the interval

For science!

[nocturne hatch]

This is snowdrop fyi

[crude birch]

LL is too hard to unlock
my subaccs only have 70~110 faces now

[heavy laurel]

What’s the unlock supposed to be?

[crude birch]

240

[storm pendant]

Do you guys trust this advice? The #seen thresholds will probably be so high that you'll encounter 2/3 as many mons as you would have in Greengrass. So it might cancel out with the higher odds?

[nocturne hatch]

Depends on the requirements but I can definitely see GG being the superior option (I will ez ticket on sunday and do a 99 nap in the afternoon if I dont have anything that day)

I think i am just about at 240 fortunately but i will probably do 2 weeks of ez ticketting first whilst finding ralts etc in the week

[heavy laurel]

I’m only at 204 styles 👀

[worthy meteor]

Thinking try Spamming at GG first i guess, 8 pokemon , afternoon nap + night sleep.

[heavy laurel]

This project makes me not want to go to GG except for events

[nocturne hatch]

GSD is in the first week of the launch of lapis so im going there on 2nd thought

[heavy laurel]

IIRC, GSD should be 25-27th, and Lapis event starts on Monday 1/29.

[nocturne hatch]

but the island launches 24 january right? iirc

[twin kelp]

Yep

[nocturne hatch]

Wait that's in the middle of the week

Odd af choice

[twin kelp]

So gsd is not during event but is on the first days of release of lapis lakeside

I'm using a travel ticket that week personally

[nocturne hatch]

I might as well yea... bit awkward tho lmao

[heavy laurel]

ST, 4 mons, 2,825,955

[storm pendant]

Getting PGP+ to align with thresholds is tough. Usually it's an hour or two out of sync but last night I got a bonus 3 strength 😅

[crude birch]

There is (rounding) difference between the Berry Strength shown and the actual value, you have to calculate yourself

[heavy laurel]

I usually go to Pokémon screen and back out to make sure the strength is updated. (Any time a favored berry gives an odd number strength gain, expect the strength to be off until you do the above refresh.)

[crude birch]

Sometimes non-fav berry also has such difference

[storm pendant]

My IG strength was 159,499 but sleep research shows 159,502. How does that relate to rounding?

Could understand off by 1 but how 3?

[crude birch]

Something like: you picked 3 Wiki Berries, each showing +199 but the actual value (recalculated upon server sync) is 200, so in total 3 diff

[storm pendant]

Oh I see

[next creek]

Yea i really doubt its better to Lapis cus if it’s like harder than snowdrop it’s gonna be like 600K for 8 spawns

[simple aurora]

But imagine if noodle spawns early

[heavy laurel]

ST, 5 mons, 7,166,588

[nocturne hatch]

@storm pendant i know the thresholds are still in progress, but would you think that now (not so long until the release of lapis) is a good time to have an infographic in #infographics so that (1) more people are aware that this exists and can help them out and (2) more people will consider helping out, in particular after the release of lapis?

Just thinking outloud

[storm pendant]

i hadn't thought about that for some reason! but i agree with you. let me try some different formats

[next creek]

Oh right this still exists, after I check the 0p spawns for brainworm reasons I’ll contribute my # of mon daily on lapis

[storm pendant]

okay i made it into an infographic and would appreciate any feedback before it's circulated. what do you think?

the aim was to make it simple to read for general players, not for those of us scientists trying to uncover the exact thresholds

so with that in mind i decided to just show one number and ignore the range. the number shown is the upper boundary, so if you achieve that number or greater you will get the # seen (but in some cases you might be able to achieve it with a lower number if the threshold is not known accurately)

oh i also showed the minimum snorlax rank required because as a 100 sleep score player that's all i focus on. if i'm nearing those ranks then i may need to focus more closely, swap team around or burn good ingredients to reach the next threshold

[next creek]

I think the ‘~’ for not 100% known ones should be left out since following the numbers in the list is already accurate enough and it might spark confusion in people with less common sense

Like the numbers are the 100% sure ‘you will get 8 spawns with this’ number so for the purpose of that (which is what people will use the chart for) a couple 1000dp uncertainty isnt a necessary bit of information if that makes sense

[devout shoal]

kinda neat how the snorlax ranks are almost the same for every island

[weak linden]

7 mon spawns all are at Ultra 1 for all maps

That's interesting

6 mons too all at Great 3

8 mons too all at Master 2 except GG

True

[heavy laurel]

Min Rank could be misleading during events like GSD. It’s not the rank that matters, but the DP.

E.g. M1 in GG is 187,832, so M1 alone doesn’t guarantee that threshold

I think the ~ mark in front of numbers that have less than 100 precision makes sense, since it’s not really confusing anyone, but let’s others know that those numbers may be lower next time this chart is released.

Also a version number or release date on the graphic can help someone figure out if a newer version of this graphic might be available later too

[next creek]

Release date would be amazing sometimes infographics get super outdated

[heavy laurel]

This simple form (one number per area/tier) is also what other projects use for their data, like the Min Max Mons sheet, so that’s a good format to share too

[next creek]

I do think this version is already basically #infographic worthy cus it is very useful info condensed fairly well

[heavy laurel]

It might be worth doing a mockup for yourself of how it would look with Lapis added too. And then make tweaks now to help it stay consistent.

E.g. Maybe minimize wasted space horizontally by allowing the “# of mons seen” row to be 2x-3x taller, and center the seen column numbers to reduce the width of the first column.

[nocturne hatch]

Wow looks great!!

[nocturne hatch]

Agreed. I would argue that only the ST8 threshold is not know "accurately". The rest are within a few 10s of Snorlax Power, which is negligible imo.

Maybe formulate the "~" explanation as not known "exactly" instead of "accurately"?

With "GSC" you mean good camp ticket?

[nocturne hatch]

Yea to make it future-proof it could maybe be "transposed" i.e. GG on top, CB below that etc, and then first column is 4 mons, next column is 5 mons etc

Gotta play around with it tho

Looks great in any case and will be very valuable to players who arent aware of this research yet

[heavy laurel]

I took "GCS" to mean the Good Camp ticket Spawn?

[nocturne hatch]

Maybe good camp set. But i think people usually call it good camp ticket, but might be just me. Maybe writing it in full is the easiest

[next creek]

Yea maybe good camp spawn id change it to GCT cus thats usually the usual name

Tbh just writing ‘good camp’ will get across what u mean to anyone above the age of 6