share your pokemon! rating

[ripe shuttle]

Here is the serebii page if curious. You'll notice it carries more and harvest faster than like typhlosion, walrein, butterfree

Only mark is ingredients but ehhhhhh idc enough

[grand gust]

As for not having great ingredients?

[ripe shuttle]

yah. Always having apples in first slot is kinda meh but at least there is easy to make apple dishes

It's def fine

[neat smelt]

It's shiny but has only one silver skill >:

[ripe shuttle]

This will be fine I would rate like B as it. It needs a lot of seeds to realize its full potential. Good kit though.

If you actually seeded everything up it would be like an A+ squirtle the kit is right and a neutral nature. It just is a really big ask to give this thing 6 sub skill seeds over the course of it leveling it. If you don't mind the pet project though and not putting the seeds into other stuff then sure this has potential def

The 5 silvers hurt quite a bit ye

[neat smelt]

Thanks for your insight! I'll leave it on my team as an ingredient mon, but as a F2P pleb, I don't have an abundance of skill seeds unfortunately

[hollow ember]

Here’s I think my best 3, not sure if they’re any good tho

[ripe shuttle]

Best in slot nature.

Berry finder eventually.

I think this is a very good mankey. It is missing out on a helping speed skill and it will need a few seeds over the course of its lfe but I will take best in slot nature with no help speed skill over help speed skill and a meh nature. I'm gonna give this like an A. It kinda is a late bloomer since you get berry finder at level 75, the ingredient amounts are slight low rolls at level 30 and 60, and you only have small powerspikes at level 10 and 25. The kit itself is like S tier when it's completely maxed but you need 3-4 sub skill seeds and it needs to reach high levels to realize it which is kinda painful. it is hurt enough by the skill order and whites that I dropped it a letter grade despite being like a top 5% mankey kit wise.

[ripe shuttle]

This is an S+ ratata.
It has the two best gold skills (and probably 2 best skills in general) in the entire game at level 10 and 25. On top of that it even gets the inventory up L immediately afterwards at level 50 so you can hold all the berries he collects off berry finder when you do your main sleep! Ingredient finder could be help speed M instead and the nature isn't ideal (we prefer help speed but it's still a good nature though not even a neutral one). These could have been bad skills for raticate like lmao skill trigger, skill level up, or the third inventory upgrade.The extra inventory up at level 100 is theoretically super impactful too when we reach that far in the game and your raticate has max frequency from leveling up. Two incredibly minor flaws that aren't even flaws they're just "could be something else that's nice but thank god they aren't bad skills". If i caught like 1000 rattata, i doubt I would find one better than this one. Maybe 1 or 2 equivalent ones at best. You giga high rolled.

Awesome skill learn order and awesome kit

[hollow ember]

Wait wut

[ripe shuttle]

Yah no you have a top percentage ratata lmao

[hollow ember]

I just like funny rat

Giving me apples

[hollow ember]

Didn’t know it was top tier lol

[ripe shuttle]

Basically you lmao

[hollow ember]

Is it better to wait to evolve it and unlock the sub skills?

[ripe shuttle]

I think you also high rolled the 4 ingredient drop at level 60

Level 30 being 2 ingredient drops is average though (it could 2-3 for level 30 and I think 2-4 for level 60 if I'm not mistaken for berry specialists)

Uh what level does it evolve

I would say go for 10 immediately definitely

[hollow ember]

Evolves at lv 15

Requires 40 candy

[ripe shuttle]

Yah gun it to like level 13 with investing candies and then start stockpiling to evolve

You should evolve first before pushing to 25 it gets a big frequency and capacity boost for evolving

[hollow ember]

Ok sounds good

Is that the case for most pokemon? Evolve asap?

[ripe shuttle]

Depends on when they evolve and what their next skill is but I'd say general rule of thumb is evolve them when they reach the levels they can evolve instead of gunning for the next skill

[hollow ember]

👍

[ripe shuttle]

Only exceptions would be like if they evolve at say level 23 but their level 25 skill is awesome or like if they evolve at level 28 but you really want to unlock the second ingredient slot at level 30

But stuff that evolves in the teens just evolve asap

[hollow ember]

Would you recommend me gunning to evolve my haunter?

Or should I focus on the rattata?

I only need like a handful more candy for the haunter

[sharp cargo]

Thanks for that, I’ll definitely start looking for seeds for him

[ripe shuttle]

Anyways, your pikachu is very good in the skill set with help speed and help bonus. It will be a gathering machine. Double ingredient finders kinda duds without an inventory up and the skill level up doesn't really matter at level 100 probably. I'd rank it A+ or S-. The first two skills will make it insane in the short term and it still will outperform like any filler you find for a long time. The help bonus being global makes it very good and raichu in general is one of the best berry specialists in the game so not upset with it at all and should be used long term.

Postive nature haunter, dream shard global is awesome. No complaints. Even has the skill trigger follow up and inventory up skills before eventually getting help speed lategame. it will need a few subskill seeds as the game progresses but it's decent. I believe you high rolled ingredient drops too. 5 at level 30 and 8 at level 60 are really high many pokemon will do like 4 and 6. I think it manages to work well with the two global helping bonus mons I just saw as well for midgame with those double inventory ups. I'll give it like an A+. You should invest in this and just rake in the free extra dream shards and ingredients and it's worth long term. If it started as gastly it would have been better and you would have preferred some slightly better kit than the skill trigger nature/level 25 skill but they're still good and this could be way way worse. It's a good haunter you should invest in.

[hollow ember]

I caught it as a haunter

Have like 60 candy in it rn

Needs 80

[ripe shuttle]

ye that's not a big deal. You will miss out on a little bit of capacity and a skill level when it becomes gengar BUT it has a really good kit

You keep him

[hollow ember]

Keep him as a haunter?

[ripe shuttle]

No i meant like keep him long term haha

[hollow ember]

Ohh

[ripe shuttle]

he will still perform better than a good majority of gastly's you find even though it is missing out on 1 set of evolution bonuses. Kit is just quite good

[hollow ember]

👍

[ripe shuttle]

Less work to evolve all the way etc. and being able to immediately contribute as gengar will pay massive dividends anyways for these early portions of the game

Okay i took my break. Time to go back to homework

[hollow ember]

Thanks for your analysis!

[tepid yew]

So berry specialist, ingredient finder x helping speed x skill chance x berry finding

[ornate jolt]

What evo should I evolve eevee too and should I invest in shiny bulb?

[ripe shuttle]

berry finding eevee!

Generally jolteon and flareon are the two best eeveelutions. Jolteon is basically electric arcanine while also being tied for fastest gather speed speed in the game and has a healthy inventory size in general for gathering a bunch of things.
Flareon increases your pot size like magnezone line and is basically interchangible with them. faster gathering but lower base capacity. The pot increase size is an incredibly good skill if you find yourself regularly hitting ingredient cap

[grizzled basin]

I guess eevee ?

[ripe shuttle]

I think I would like this eevee as a jolteon. Berry finder and inventory up synergize really well with jolteons high frequency and cap, but both are very good options if you think you can use the pot size thing from flareon you have the stuff you need for that to be optimal in main skill chance up nature and skill trigger. It's a very good eevee and I think I would rate it S tier. berry finder is one of the best skills in the game, you have a good nature, and the rest of the kit is very good you even get the eventual help speed M to make it gather even faster and it has a good learn order.

[iron yoke]

hi panders

[ripe shuttle]

hi chispa ignore me

[iron yoke]

why tho

[ripe shuttle]

cause

[iron yoke]

i need some rating

[ripe shuttle]

Oh i thought you were going to chastise me to do my homework xD

[iron yoke]

but if you're going to bed i can wait until tomorrow

[ripe shuttle]

No i don't go to bed for like 4-5 hours

[iron yoke]

i mean i was sleeping

didnt even know you had homework

[ripe shuttle]

The bulbasaur is a bit filler imo. Really good skill list but the help speed down is kinda one of the worst natures. I think I'll give it a B+ since the skil list is actually steller and it works well with the up skill chance nature as well but the nature holds this back really badly. This could be an S tier bulbasaur if it just rolled help speed up nature instead so if mints come that's nice but as is it's just slightly above filler level in B+

@ornate jolt

Chispa drop it

I rate your thing and then I leaves

@iron yoke DROP IT

[ripe shuttle]

I must know my brain won't relax

[iron yoke]

sorry im still sleepy

mid bulba or nah

[ripe shuttle]

Aghhhh speed of help down bulbasaur my nemesis. This is kinda fillerish sadly. I'd give it like C+ it's better than some filler cause the ingredient finding up nature and inventory up for big sleep but it needs way too many skill seeds to be good and the nature hurts it a fair bit

The global gold is one of the worse ones I believe (till we know more about energy at least)

even if it's technically really nice to have

[iron yoke]

thanks!

[ornate jolt]

Thank you appreciate it!!

[ornate jolt]

Thank you always so helpful!

[ripe shuttle]

Neutral nature with lots of gold global effects (and thank god it's not energy recovery at level 10 or 25 lmao). Eventual help speed M at 50 and it looks like a medium/high roll for ingredient amounts they aren't the highest but they are like 1 under highest in both categories so well done there. I think this thing is pretty good! I'll give it like an A+, it really needs a good nature not a neutral one for me to want to rate it higher but the kit is nice. You don't drop this for awhile you use it basically just to support your meta progression for reasearch ranks and pokemon exp as you go into levels 10, 25, and beyond. I think you use this until you find a better global support pokemon which is probably awhile.

Better than majority of croagunks you find, much above filler category for sure. there are a lot of potential blegh croagunks out there

[wind igloo]

Thank you for the review! Yeah, global supp pokemon is a good way go put it. And agreed finding more will be rare!

I wonder if there will be reroll skill seeds later

[rough pilot]

how is this diglett? i feel like i rolled a bad nature given his skills

[rough meadow]

The nature's not a problem, it could actually be pretty good. But Digletts can theoretically get up to x8 ingredients at level 60

although x5 at 30 is pretty good

I think ultimately I'd call this one fairly average

[rough pilot]

i see i see, thanks

[ripe shuttle]

Yah I don't mind the nature but it immediately fights with the level 10 and 25 skill haha

it's decent but kinda filler E3 hit it on the head. I'd say it's like upper filler in the C+ or B- range though the ingredient unlock at 30 is impressive af even if the kit isn't

[rough pilot]

yes, thats why i felt the nature was bad given how skill focused the first two sub skills are 😅

plus i feel charge strength skills are decent if mons get to trigger it, but the nature hinders it so oof

[ripe shuttle]

ye ye. Still a better than average filler mon for the above reasons but it's not one of the greats

You use it for fave berry week for sure still

[rough pilot]

yes will do, thanks for the help

[grand bough]

I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing (though I am slowly backreading)

[ripe shuttle]

BERRY FINDER.
Speed of help down....
difficult to rate but you probably keep this guy for the globals. Research exp is good, the energy global is okay, and berry finder is a really strong skill and you have the inventory up at 75 to boot. I think the nature and learn order really scuffs this squirtle though. I think I'll rate it in like B+ just because of the potential long term benefits of berry finder/inventory L and the flood of globals this pokemon has but it will be a super slog to level 50 and 75. You will likely find a better global mon before then, and there is an okay chance you find a better berry finder mon. Long term kit it's probably like A+ but the slog to get there will be unpleasant imo. Level 50 is pretty far away and it's just slightly better than filler before then but globals help some at least.

This is definitely one of the trickier mons to evaluate so don't take what I say as gospel I am not confident in rating this one. It has a lot of strong and potential bad points both.

If we get nature mints this will be poggers S tier but we don't have them and no guarantee they will come ever but if you want to hold onto that dream I'd keep it in the box just in case. Not worth releasing it's still better than filler stuff and has potential if we can change natures for sure

[grand bough]

Thank you for explaining your rationale for everything, it's ridiculously helpful.

[grave dragon]

Well caught 6 today but all look meh

[ripe shuttle]

The psyduck is really good for a psyduck the nature is help speed up which is best and you high rolled the ingredients you find too with 4 at level 30 and 4 at level 60 (psyduck isn't an ingredient specialist I think these are like the high end of values). It'll perform pretty well 🙂 psyduck line is eh but this is good for a psyduck. You def pull him out on favored berry week. A+ tier.

Berry finding ekans at level 10 is a steller find. Best skill in the game and the nature is good too. Ekans skill is bad so the skill chance down really isn't bad at all. I'm sad about all the skill based subskills but I don't think it is that big of a deal since you get berry finder at 10 and it will hard carry you. A tier imo cause it hurts on all the other subskills but like berry finder good and you 100% keep this long term for chesto berry favored weeks cause of that. I wouldn't worry about wasting skill seeds on it though.

This is like a pretty fine mankey. Ingredient down is whatever on berry specialists if they don't have other ingredient skils. Skill trigger and inventory are fine but little sad they are smalls. energy recovery is fine. Berry finding and help speed M being at level 75 and 100 are insane but like lmao how lategame that is. I think it's def good to use though don't mulch him. If you actually get him to those late levels I think the kit is like S- but as is right now he is like B+.

The other ones I didn't mention are all just filler mons

You might whip out on favored week but you don't care about them probs

You might use the caterpie just cause caterpie. butterfree's are goated even the totally average ones ftr the species slaps hard.

It's skills are like fine long term to good it's just meh nature but honestly yah use the caterpie too. Someone needs to be the 4th or 5th best caterpie for a 5 butterfree team and this is that man xD

[grave dragon]

Thanks so much for sharing!

Also do you have any suggestions on how to level up quicker?

[ripe shuttle]

Handy candies are really good. If you are hesitant to get the skill seeds (or don't have premium) they are worth it imo

[obsidian vortex]

Lvl up what ? Mons ? Research rank ?

[ripe shuttle]

Otherwise just use the species you want to level

Like if you want to level up the ekans I would use the ekans and the arbok on the squad at the same time and use the candies you get to level up and evolve the ekans

[grave dragon]

Mons

[grave dragon]

So I just need to spend the candies on the mons I’m working on to level up right?

[obsidian vortex]

Candies and letting your friends know that you want to lvl up a special pokemon

[ripe shuttle]

If you haven't used handy candies before you might even have some in your inventory right now 🙂 just check the bag. They're really intuitive to use. Handy candy S gives 3 per and handy candy M gives 20 per

[ripe shuttle]

Ye if you know who you are going to definitely be using long term I would just slam the handy candies in your inventory and either level up or evolve them.

And consider buying them from shop but you have to weigh your option versus the premium shop seeds (poggers if you can buy both though)

[grave dragon]

Yea cuz I see if I want to evolve I need lots of candies

[grave dragon]

Expensive tho

[ripe shuttle]

Ye. Your call

It's worth 20 candies. It's fair to buy it or save points.

[grave dragon]

I just exchanged a sub skill saving for later

[obsidian vortex]

yes ?

I'm selling a masterball, anyone interested ?

[grave dragon]

How can you sell

[obsidian vortex]

I can't

[grave dragon]

Also I’ve been buying the bundles for cookies, I think they are better than just buying individual cookies

@ripe shuttle do you also recommend to stick with one helper team along the way cuz I only can sleep once per day?

The helper team of the Pokémons I want to level up

[obsidian vortex]

If your helper team has no energy you can put new pokemons to farm, then put your OG team back before sleeping, ect

Most of the time you'll keep the berry team the 6 first days, and farm ingrédients on sunday

(Having an ingrédient spécialist in your OG team rly help also)

[grave dragon]

Thanks for the advice Erayto!

[grave dragon]

Sorry just to clarify, is the berry team you are referring to the snorlax fav berry of the week team or just regular berry specialist team?

[obsidian vortex]

The best berry mons you can have this week
For me I had 3 metapods with 2x fav berries and 1 pichu with berry finder + 1 squirtle for ingrédients

@grave dragon

If you need to sleep with a pokemon to evolve him (ex : pichu, eevee) , then switch your ingrédients spe and pit a new one when he's tired

[grave dragon]

I see I see

[obsidian vortex]

If we talk about points its ranked like this
Berry spe + Fav berries mon lvl 10 = 35 x 2 x 2 = 140
Berry spe + Non fav ber + berry finder S = 35 x 3 = 105
Not berry spe + Fav berrie = 35x2 = 70
Not fav + berry spe = 35x2 = 70
Not fav + not berry spe = 35

(If every pokemon is same lvl and same natures ofc, a mon with help speed up will be better overtime) @grave dragon

[grave dragon]

Holy shit this is complicated

So I guess new to get fav berries mons to lv 10

[obsidian vortex]

This is an example for the lvl

[grave dragon]

Got it

For a single mom

Mon*

[obsidian vortex]

Each berry has its value depending on the level of the pokemon

If you need advice on your berry mons feel free to share

[grave dragon]

Yea I’m creating one

[obsidian vortex]

I should do an excel version of this so its clearer

Just need to know what berry finder M does

If its 2 berries holy shit

[grave dragon]

Alright so my current week berries are Oran orchard and pamtre

These are the mons I have with fav berries

I’m currently also working on my charmander and growlithe trying to level them up and evolve them

@obsidian vortex any suggestions on the berry team?

[obsidian vortex]

Swablu + Slowpoke* + doduo + growlith + charmander

I would lvl up some of them 10 to get the skill but not more

@grave dragon

[grave dragon]

Got it

Thanks

So I keep them everyday till Sunday

Then grind ingredients

[obsidian vortex]

Bt your slowbro lvl 8 without slowpoke tails as ingrédients you can szy bye to him

Yeah, if you don't find anything better until then

Cause you have only 2 real berry spe

For lvl up I wouldn't use candies on swablu, doduo it could be nice to get lvl 10, slowpoke* definitevely lvl 10

[grave dragon]

Yea, I’m gonna candy slowpoke to 10

Cuz I really want to work to evolve charmander so gonna spend candy on charmander as well

Ok spent all my candies

Now saving candies to evolve charmander

[grave dragon]

Decent

[ebon bay]

of my 13, she’s probably my most promising so far LOL

[grave dragon]

Well I got 6 charmanders only one is decent

[rough meadow]

HM Slave detected

[ripe shuttle]

This guy is the nuts imo. Help speed is an immensely useful nature. Main skill chance down is bad but I would take it over neutral nature still. Charizard line harvests REALLY fast so we welcome the inventory space. Skill level up is nice even with the skill chance down nature. More inventory up just to really slam home maximum overnight gathering potential and then we eventually get the additional help speed we need at 75 and the skill trigger to finally offset the slightly not perfect nature at 100. I think this is an A+ charmander and it will absolutely slay once it evolves and has a partner on the team with the global help speed bonus. Very good mander.

It's obviously not perfect but zard is amazing as a mon and you have a very above average skill set for a help speed positive nature.

Only 3 ways you could would improve it is make help speed happen at 50 instead and trade the skill level up for berry finder as well as slightly optomize nature

I'd be hard pressed to find a charmander like that it would be a 1 in a million find

[rough meadow]

EHhh, the x6 at 60 is a little below-cap for a charmander

[ripe shuttle]

That is average no?

Couldn't it be as low as 5 and as high as 8?

[rough meadow]

Yeah

Like I said, below cap

It's definitely a very good charmander, nevertheless

[ripe shuttle]

4 at 30 and 6 at 60 is pretty much the average

ye ye it is below cap technically but it's not a low roll

[rough meadow]

No, it's pretty S-tier

[ripe shuttle]

I try to be frugal with my S tiers so I say A+, but someone could convince me S- 100%

I wouldn't complain really

[rough meadow]

True

[crude crystal]

Ok, I think this time got nice stuff

[rough meadow]

Can you show the ingredients?

[ripe shuttle]

I would love to see the ingredients for these two as well 🙂

[rough meadow]

The Bulbasaur in particular looks very promising tho

Do help speed bonuses stack additively or multiplicatively 🤔

[ripe shuttle]

The bulbasaur before I see ingredients is already like an S+ tier to me. Double skill positives is nice with ingredient magnet followed by berry finder, inventory up, and help speed is absolutely nutty.

[rough meadow]

cause if it's additive, you could theoretically highroll some actual freak shit

[crude crystal]

All honey on Bsaur and all ham on monke

[ripe shuttle]

Additively?

You reduce the frequency off the base amount I believe. So 10% off a 1 hour mon would be 54 minutes and then like 14% off that would bring it down to like 47 minutes

[rough meadow]

amounts matter

What're the quantities at 30 and 60?

[ripe shuttle]

Screenshots would be nice cause we were curious about amounts ye

[rough meadow]

That would be if it's multiplicative. If a 10% decrease and a 10% decrease add together to create a 20% decrease... that's more powerful than if it multiplicatively stacks

[ripe shuttle]

Idc what the amounts are, this bulbasaur is definitely S+ tier. IF it so happens to highroll ingredient amounts as well it's an easy SSS tier and best mon I have seen here ever

[rough meadow]

100 * (1-(0.1+0.1) as opposed to 100*0.9*0.9

See what I"m sayin?

[ripe shuttle]

Everything takes off the original percent tmk you don't have reduced value as you get lower in cooldown

Does that help

Oh shit. That bulbasaur almost had the 5, 8

[rough meadow]

So close

Still fantastic though

[ripe shuttle]

this bulbasuar is definitely the best mon I have seen in here though SSS still i think. 1 ingredient off and the rest is 100% perfect kit is insane

[rough meadow]

Yeah it's a turbo highroll

I'd love to find something that good

[crude crystal]

Yeah, nice nature and Ingredient Magnet maxed once its evolved. But ifk if its the best, I have seen a lot of great stuff here.

[ripe shuttle]

It fights for best

[rough meadow]

The 1% Rattata... :p

[crude crystal]

I think the stars of the pokemon can give you better stuff

[ripe shuttle]

1% rattata is still a rattata

this is a bulbasaur aka a venusaur

[rough meadow]

Lol true

[ripe shuttle]

who is really nutty

[rough meadow]

Waiting for the day we see a turbo highroll arcanine or altaria

[crude crystal]

They were 2* and have better skills than the 1* pokemon that I got

[rough meadow]

I believe in the legend of the x4 slowpoke tail

It'll descend upon us one day

[ripe shuttle]

I guess this pokemon MIGHT suffer with the skill level up if I am being unreasonably picky since we don't know if that makes skills go over cap.

In practice though that doesn't matter the slightest. It just means you only need 1 main skill up seed for this to cap it's main skill after fully evolving

If it makes skills go over cap it's nuttier than i give it credit for and if it doesn't it just saves you probably a months worth of seeds which is still wonderful

[crude crystal]

Over cap? I thought the max was lvl 6

1+1+2+1+1

[rough meadow]

We don't know if subskill-based main skill inreases can break cap yet or not

[ripe shuttle]

Mankey is nice too I'm going to give it like an A+ or S- cause it has best in slot nature and pretty good skill list but it needs quite a few sub skill seeds and the learn order is slightly funky, help speed would have ideally come in before level 75 lol. It's very good though. Like if we fully kit it out it's an S- tier it just has slightly funky progression so I put A+.

Progression is still good, it just COULD be better

[crude crystal]

Thank you, I was not getting decent mons lastly so im glad I got these

Do you think that Primeape could get its evolution in the future?

[ripe shuttle]

I have 0 way of knowing. It might be impossibly unlikely or they may just add it in at some point without an issue. My guess is the former but I am not the company and have no idea.

[crude crystal]

I hope they makes events and eventually give is more pokemon to look for so there could be more reasons for keep playing

[rough pilot]

decent charmander? it has neutral nature

[ripe shuttle]

Slightly filler but it doesn't have bad nature. I'd give it like B- because it needs a lot of subskill seeds and the kit/nature is super generic. That said though a B- charmander is like... better than half the mons you'll find it's a very good pokemon the species itself is great with high capacity/frequency and decent ingredients.

Like it's an average A tier pokemon which makes it better than average B tier pokemon or even good C tier pokemon

So use it 🙂

[rough pilot]

hah alrighty
i feel like a lot of my mons are this way, decent but not great oof

[ripe shuttle]

I'll put it this way. If you don't find better pokemon there is ZERO issue with evolving this guy it will carry your ass cause zard zoooooooooom! Especially on favored berry week.

And even if you find a better zard down the line you can just run 2!

It's like low oppurtunity cost investment since you could just double zard on leppa week too

[rough pilot]

makes sense! ive been lucky to have a full team of mons with berries that snorlax wants this week, and levelling snorlax has been super speedy so far!

[ripe shuttle]

Sickkkkk. Good luck this week! I need to get 13 new sleep styles so I can unlock taupe next week

So i am praying rng doesn't mess me up too hard

[rough pilot]

good luck to you too

[storm rain]

thoughts?

[hallow steeple]

The nature seems like it holds it back

[ripe shuttle]

Top tier nature, has the synergy with skill trigger way down the line which is nice and the ingredient finder/help speed are very impactful. You need want a sub skill seed at level 10, but I'd rate this at A+. Learn order is slightly wonky like not getting capacity till 100 and the help speed M coming at 50 instead of 25 but it's really solid. Might be worth an S- or even S tier but I think the need for sub skill seeds in the long run slightly hold me back from giving it an S rating I'm comfortable with A+ though. You also rolled dead in the middle of the road for ingredient amounts at 4 and 6.

[ripe shuttle]

Imo down skill chance is really whatever for these random charge strength mons even if it's not ideal. Like assigning arbitrary points, i would rate skill chance down at like -1, ingredient down at like -1 or 2 depending on mon, and help speed down at like -3 points. ANYWAYS let me look at this guy.

3 gold skills nice. SLEEP EXP BONUS which is super nice. This at level 10 i think you just slam and never look back. Follow that up with research exp bonus at 25 makes it just pretty nutty global support and then double help speed and berry finder is the goat. I actually think this thing ironically suffers from the second help speed and would have preffered an inventory up L so it could hold all the berry finder berries. That said though you use this. I'll give it an A+ or S- rating. The short term is great, it actually probably gains exp very fast and will likely overlevel and stay up even without investment because of the passive and exp up nature, and if you do get it to last long term and you evolve it and everything you have some goated payoffs lategame in the help speed and berry finding department. It's not perfect, but it's like kinda damn good still

If i only look at level 10 and nothing else I would rate it S 👀, level 25 I would still rate it S

use it

[hallow steeple]

Thank you for all that it’s so helpful! What’s great is this week snorlax wants the berries mankey gets so it’s the perfect week to start levelling him up

[ripe shuttle]

I think if you barely touch him at all but keep him on all week he will still hit like level 13 or 14 probably lmao

cause of the nature and global.

not 100% sure but pretty sure

[hallow steeple]

I’ve just got him to level 10 now so he’s unlocked the sleep exp bonus now

But now I’ll leave him to see where he gets this week

[ancient minnow]

Caught my first eevee today and I think it's decent?
While I try to find more, is it good as a sylveon later on or its unknown?

[ripe shuttle]

I'm super curious how it pans out so like... if you remember please share towards the end of the week? 👀

[hallow steeple]

I will do!

[ripe shuttle]

Oh this eevee is goated. We have one of the two best in slot natures AND double skill trigger early to boot. Would you mind telling me the ingredient amounts?

Ingredient finder whatever but if the ingredient list is really good it gets juicier

[ancient minnow]

not that special tbh lol

in terms of amount of ingredents. just useful for this week's berry at least

[ripe shuttle]

I think with the double inventory up jolteon abuses this set best. It has really fast frequency and the skill trigger set is still top tier on it. I'm mostly saying this for long term cause I think it uses those lategame inventory ups the best.

Ingredients aren't "special" but you got good amounts for a skill specialist. 2 is average at level 30 but 4 is I think highest it could be at level 60 which is good

All the eeveelutions like the skill trigger set so it's really up to you though

[ancient minnow]

does the main skill pass over to the evolved pokemon?

[ripe shuttle]

No

[ancient minnow]

ahh is there a list of what it can become?

[ripe shuttle]

Each eeveelution has a unique skill. Only pokemon in the game that does it

You'd have to manually check serebiii buttttt

[ancient minnow]

ya, i thought it might change thats why i ain't too sure what to involve it into

well in the future anyway

[ripe shuttle]

?spkmn eevee

[soft nymph]

https://serebii.net/pokemonsleep/pokemon/eevee.shtml

[ripe shuttle]

Oh actually, this might make a goated espeon

Espeon is still in the fast frequency tier but it is tied for best charge strength skill in the game and is the only good psychic pokemon right now (lmao wobbufet)

As long as you do one of the mons in yes and not any of the ones in No, you will get good results doesn't matter which

[ancient minnow]

wouldn't mind the espeon 😄

[ripe shuttle]

If you like sylv go for it. It's a glorified wigglytuff so we have no idea how good it is actually.

Ye espeon is basically a sidegrade to ampharos line

And both goated

[ancient minnow]

ya, i'll wait for some more info about sylveon but jolteon and espeon is the one i think i would go

[ripe shuttle]

Just so you have an idea on how espeons skill scales with main skill level

And I've heard that the charge strength boost is affected by the island weekly boost which is weird but cool

[ripe shuttle]

Ye those are the two I would pick if it were mine

[ancient minnow]

that must be a good thing, is the boost random?

[ripe shuttle]

Uh it's the thing where you get a boost for using an island multiple times. We got 5% for our first week so I would only assume it goes 10, 15, 20% etc. But I have no idea for sure

It goes up every time we use the island though

[ancient minnow]

ahhh got it

i didn't know that has an impact, does it impact all skills?

[ripe shuttle]

I think the boost affects all points that go into snorlax from berries to meals to charge strength skills

It's pretty vague and we didn't hard look at it yet but from what I have seen that's the case

Anyways gl this week

[ancient minnow]

thanks!

ya, i didn't pay too much attention to the boost tbh

just want to start evolving and get to lvl 10 asap haha

[nova mulch]

Cool thread

[plush badge]

Apparently energizing cheer can "overcharge" another pokemon

[obsidian vortex]

so it choosed himself

[nova mulch]

What does happiness even do

[ripe shuttle]

So idk why he asked you to post in here. I def can rate the gastly and give a good guage of how strong it is.

I did share with mathcord though (they're looking into data) and this is super interesting

I think that was their intention for pushing you in here

[obsidian vortex]

it was to keep a trace of it yeah sry no need to rate it

[ripe shuttle]

Okkk that's what I thought

[turbid pivot]

Is this a good boi u guys reckon?

Oops

Nature is hasty, exp up and energy recovery down

[plush badge]

Thoughts about this guy?

[nova mulch]

Juicy

[ocean hull]

S tier berry collector for sure. All 3 helping sub skills, as early as you can get them, and +nature. Actual perfect mon

[left walrus]

Anyone mind rating between these two togepi?

[celest lava]

2nd one is better for egg drop rate but both are not really good as togepis main skill is unpredictable

unless you can choose what to activate then kinda op

[nova mulch]

I love metronome

[left walrus]

Thanks

[ripe shuttle]

If I'm rating them as togepis, this first one is an A+ tier togepi. There is no skill trigger in the first two levels, BUT you have the skill chance nature and it's later down the line. More importantly though it has inventory up and helping bonus. Once you actually get to 25 it and everything else collects a lot faster and it becomes quite awesome. Level 50 is decent but not WOW but the 75 and 100 are steller. Especially level 100. If i were to rate it at different stages of the game it would be like

Level 10: B tier good nature and slightly helpful skill but whatever it's togepi.

Level 25: A Tier, has helping bonus one of the best skills in game

Level 50: B+ it just a helping bonus bot but has some random other perks that are nice

Level 75: A- Gets the skill trigger it wants so back up the list it goes some but metronome is still whatever.

Level 100: S tier with berry bonus and seeding up the inventory up this thing is actually the nuts at full kit but lmao level 100

I thought too much about this

Anyways togepi line bad but I'd say this is good for togepi

and brain farted

I go switch islands now

[left walrus]

Lol

Thank you for your time

[ripe shuttle]

Other togepi immediately more helpful at level 10 and then worse the rest of the way by a little at all the other spikes like B+

[left walrus]

So togepis not the greatest?

Would you mind if I sent a bunch of screenshots showing all my Pokémon and can you tell me which ones are the best?

[celest lava]

he doesn't that's why he made this channel😂

[left walrus]

Fair lmao

[ripe shuttle]

Togepi is fine and i think it's the best fairy pokemon. It's just the random skill paired with skill specialist is undesireable so it's not viewed too fondly by many people. Once it becomes togekiss though it does technically have good frequency and capacity as well as eggs (which is somewhat rare to get as an ingredient). It's just not very popular though why run it over a berry specialist or ingredient specialist. If you can find one with berry finder though it is the nuts (preferably not at level 100 but beggers can't be choosers lol). I think it's actually probably pretty decent but the inconsistency is a turn off

[left walrus]

I see

[ripe shuttle]

I'll look at the pokemon in a bit. I want to get my pokemon sleep going and then I'll sift through and pick out any notable pokemon that stand out before I lay down (and you can assume the ones I don't mention are kinda filler. Run them if they match but dump them if they don't)

[left walrus]

Ok

Thank you very much

[ripe shuttle]

cacao kinda rare too tbh

eevee line has it but cacao is a good ingredient without much of an ingredient specialist to get it

[left walrus]

It doesn’t have to be a full length review if you don’t want to

[ripe shuttle]

Only squirtle line and absol

[left walrus]

Fair

My squirtles not the best I think

[ripe shuttle]

I probably won't go as in depth as I did with togepi i just was juggling a lot in my head cause it was a really tough evaluation. I kinda went so overboard more so I can sort out my thoughts lmao

I was like trying to weigh it at each point of the game xD

[left walrus]

Lol that’s understandable

I do that too

[ripe shuttle]

okay brb. I'll do a ping reply when I finish going through them. First I feed sleep

[left walrus]

Thanks

[celest lava]

@ripe shuttle What's the rating on this one? Cleans the beach. Must be an upstanding citizen. Should be SS tier since for shiny shimmering. I like it's sprites when you first see him

[obsidian vortex]

that a lot of monoi and that explain the colour of his skin
I would say F cause he uses all the ingredients he gather for his sunbathe

[celest lava]

instead of giving it to me he's been chugging it down himself

I think he's sunburnt since its the beach should have used a higher spf instead of oil now he's shiny (pun intended)

[still sun]

he has been bleached

[ripe shuttle]

I think I agree. SS tier. Not because he cleans the beach but because when he cleans the beach he somehow always finds leftover cooking oil.....

[hollow ember]

This any good? Befriended as a sudowoodo

[celest lava]

goated instant level 10 for me

[ripe shuttle]

Pretty outstanding pikachu. Help speed nature top tier, inventory up L actually goated for long term and short term it still has some nutty big sleep berry shenanigans. Skill trigger S whatever but help speed at 50 and dream shard at 100 great. I'll give him a solid A. Will be awesome.

Actually don't mind the squirtle too much even though ingredient down nature isn't ideal. Speed of help offsets it kinda which is fun. Probably just B+ though. Kinda a bit all over the place with kit/nature. Still though B+ squirtle is a good pokemon overall squirtle line is great.

B+ caterpie the nature is whatever and skill lsit is good/fine but all over the place. We like dream shard at level 25 though. Someone needs to be butterfree #3-#4 in the five butterfree dream team and this is that guy. Butterfree great species so same reasoning as squirtle above.

So this riolu is filler before level 75 and really good afterwards afterwards. Level 1-49 is C tier. Level 50-74 is B tier if you skill seed. Level 75+ is like S- tier. I think it's not worth the investment but don't mulch him. Maybe you will have 1000 lucario candies down the road and can nearly get this guy to level 75 off candy alone and finally realize his berry finder potential it's kinda shit before then though.

B tier Mareep. You get skill trigger by 25 which is mandatory for mareep and we don't mind inventory L that much. It's pretty generic though and no reason this has two inventory ups long term. It will be good though and like use it if you feel like you need good pokemon. The species itself is steller and this has the mandatory skill.

Really good skill list is wonderful on the igglybuff but the nature kills it I think. C+.

I dislike the helping speed down here as well but ingredient up is nice compensation at least and then ingredient finder at level 10 too. I don't think this is good though. Help speed S at 25 does offset the nature though ig. C- tier geodude.

:p

[celest lava]

just for that subs kill alone

[hollow ember]

Also got this mareep

[celest lava]

skip on mareep

[ripe shuttle]

So like it's a bad standard sudowoodo kit with skill chance down nature and no skill triggers so I don't think it's optimal woodo BUT it has a lot going for it and I think I would rate it as an A tier woodo actually. Help speed helps sudowoodo out of its rut, level 10 is amazing global, level 25 actually kinda relevant and so is the 50. If you keep this till level 75 you get double global passives and their good. I think it needed inventory up M or L in the level 50 slot though to actually be the nuts for this version of a woodo.

You level this guy up to ten and he carries your ass for awhile but you will drop him somewhere between level 20-50. He will be goated early though cause of his level 10. He has 10 capacity and no way to ever outgrow that and it really sucks when we eventually get like stage 3 pokemon with 20-31 capacity

So use him till you start evolving a bunch of stuff pretty much

[ripe shuttle]

Kit looks good for skill chance up mareep but the main skill chance really hurts. If I had to place I'd give it a B. Still does ampharos things but it will be notably worse than other ampharos at gathering.

[hollow ember]

👍

[plush badge]

Opinions on this bulba?

[ripe shuttle]

Speed of help down is usually a death sentence BUT i think he overcomes it somewhat enough to be considered useful. The skill level up and skill trigger help him really just real in stupid amounts of ingredients which is grand and the ingredient up nature means even though he will gather slow the extra ingredient chance when he does gather is very nice. The inventory up L will probably not be useful when he hits 50, the down speed nature hurts here especially but the help speed S at 75 (with a skill speed) offsets the nature and even make you go positive movespeed. It probably would be about when you would consider replacing this bulb too would be my guess which is awesome. Additional skill trigger at level 100 really seals the deal.

I'm gonna say A+ despite having such a horrendous nature. If we get mints ever this guy probably is the best candidate for it, you could bump him up to like an S+ on my scale with help speed up nature or skill chance up nature and fixing the negative to something that doesn't matter.

Just to note, because he can evolve twice and has skill level up M he is one main seed off from having ingredient magnet level 6 when it becomes venusaur. This is insane in that regard

Without a mainskill seed that's 17 ingredients a pop and with one mainskill seed that's 21 a pop. Ridiculous

[plush badge]

Yeah, I wasn't sure about him because of the nature but he is like a weird Frankenstein that somehow works. Thanks for the rating!

Praying for the mints

[ripe shuttle]

oh yah you and me both and every other player

You don't know how many players I've seen in here with "oh this would bis but kinda really hecking sucks cause nature is so bad" lmao

Idk if I was generous today or what but I think the bulbasaur is scuffed in a way that doesn't actually hurt what the kit wants to do with ingredient magnet sooooooo

[plush badge]

Last poké check from me for today, I am quite curious about my shiny girl:

[hollow ember]

Interesting looking absol

[ripe shuttle]

Speed of help exp down is bis nature so good start

inventory is fine, ingredient finder is fine, skill trigger great, helping speed great, other skill trigger greaterer.

I'm gonna say A or A+ cause despite the fact that is has the best nature it could have, the learn order is a little funky and it's a lot of white skills. THAT SAID if you pump sub skill seeds into this it will be pretty legit. Getting that to inventory L, ingredient finder M, and help speed M makes it an S tier pokemon. The level 10 spike is fine, 25 kinda duddy until you hit level 30 and unlock the 2X honey. Rest of the levels all really spike though.

Like at fully kited it is S or S+. Not fully kited I feel like A. It's an investment project with sub seeds if willing to invest like 3-4 of them

[plush badge]

I guess it's worth the effort since it's a shiny with the best nature and mints are still a big "❓"

[ripe shuttle]

I think you high rolled ingredient amounts for a berry specialist with 2 and 4 at level 30 and 60 but idk i am still learning the ingredient ranges some

I know I would force this if it was mine and give it all the subskill seeds, and I would regret it 0. It is not bad before investment anyways

[ocean hull]

Ingredient ranges are, in order from starting to lv60:
Non-specialist: 1, 1-3, 2-5
Specialist: 2, 2-5, 3-8
It seems single stage mons can have an unusually high ingredient count at lv30, even greater than the above ranges. Will update once more info's gathered on this phenomenon

[ripe shuttle]

I am pretty confident with the first set at least for berry specialists. Dunno if skill specialists have a different set.

I think it is right for ingredient specielists too. Idr if I have seen a 2X at level 30 though

[ripe shuttle]

I'm gonna pin that for MY sanity and to reference lmao

[ocean hull]

Nvm lv60 can go up to 5 without. I'm checking against the mons shared here

Can't find a 6 for specialist lv30 so I'm assuming max is 5

[ripe shuttle]

5x sounds right

I don't remember here or anywhere else holding a 6x at 30

6x at 30 would actually be kinda nutty huh.

Are we certain non specialists can highroll a 3x ingredient at level 30?

I thought the highest is 2

but i wasn't looking hard at them before

[ocean hull]

Yeah I've seen several in here with that

[ripe shuttle]

Nutty. Good to know. 3/5 and 5/8 are the high rolls bb

[ocean hull]

One example here

[ripe shuttle]

I will definitely be looking to check those as I look at mons now

Might make me rate some stuff higher/lower for sure

[hallow steeple]

I’m curious about these

[celest lava]

got damn fast slowbro I mean fastbro

[shy pawn]

(ok my cyndaquil wasn't exactly "mid", my first helping bonus, just gonna take a while to bloom)

[ripe shuttle]

Highroll level 30 ingredient is fire and caccao is high value. x5 caccao is insane at this level. Level 60 slightly below average but like overall great ingredients on the turtle.
We like skill level up a lot. Ingredient magnet scales well with skill level up and you will at be at level 4 ingredient finding by the time this is blastoise. Inventory ups are probably really nice with the 5x caccao drops so you can hold all the chocolate. Goated AF for your main sleep. Kinda whatever if you are gathering throughout the day. Capstone of Helping bonus is just icing. I'm giving this an S-. It needs a better nature and could have had a better level 60 ingredient amount but these are very small nitpicks. It also is only slightly above average until level 30. once you hit 30 though it's off to the races this will be a good af blastoise.

Rattata speed of help bis nature. Nearly perfect high roll on ingredients for a berry specialist too is awesome. We love an inventory up L, skill level up is pretty much dud on rattata line but is like fine. Ingredient finder actually is pretty great at level 50 and 75 with the good ingredient rolls, and helping bonus capstone is fire. S tier rattata it strikes a really nice balance on ingredients being mixed into its gathering once you get lategame but even before then it will be getting you MOUNDS of berries on your big sleep days after it hits level 10. It has 1 dud skill and rest of the kit is steller. Very clean. If that skill level up was a help speed M and you had a x4 level 60 ingredient it would be a perfect rattata probably no joke.

Helping speed AND helping bonus slowbro? This is the fastest slowpoke of all time. Low roll in ingredients at high levels BUT they are tails which is more important than anything else so good here. Ingredient finder nature down not ideal with the tails but still is fine. triple inventory ups is lmao I think 2 would have been fine but.... this slowbro do be gathering and that ingredient finder in the skill set helps offset things a lot and you "might" use all this space especially if there is other helping bonuses on your team. I think with how immediately powerful this is and the lucky double tail I can't give this below S-. It has a lot of improvement, but like you hit multiple high rolls already that put it far above many slowbro's and slowpokes we take this and we run with the wind.

[hallow steeple]

i had no idea caccao was high value, i got a chikorita today that has x1 caccao-x2 caccao- x5 honey so that seems good! hopefully i get more squirtle candies soon to start working on him. thanks for all the help, its incredibly useful! i guess where i struggle is knowing how to make the most efficient teams

[ripe shuttle]

Ye! Are you sure the honey is x5?

If so you highrolled that super hard

2-5 is the range for ingredients at level 60 for non ingredient specialists

[ripe shuttle]

ye the range for level 30 is 1-3 so you got the average and her best ingredient to boot

and then giga high rolled honey amount

There's a couple really good dishes lategame that will need like 12-20 honey

so it has a really solid ingredient setup long term

[hallow steeple]

im glad shes got some good ingrediants, i like chikorita and would like to be able to use her

[ripe shuttle]

ye. You oddly got like a really good ingredient chikorita lmao with the inventory up two ingredient finders. Lategame when you have a meganium it will have massive capacity and you'll just swim in honey and chocalate and a bunch of berries

I think it's got good long term prospects 🙂

I think it will need a helping bonus or two from your other mons probably

[hallow steeple]

my fastbro will have to help her keep up

[left walrus]

You are fabulous. Thank you so much for this

[hallow steeple]

i agree you are fabulous

[ripe shuttle]

[hallow steeple]

With the info I’ve gathered im going to try using this team

[ripe shuttle]

buncha cuties

[celest lava]

Ayy you've changed the name to fastbro

[ripe shuttle]

I wish you good luck

i didn't even catch that but's goofy

What is your meal type? Salad, dessert, or curry?

You are rolling in money if it's dessert.

[rough meadow]

@ripe shuttle thoughts on this Slakoth?

aka The Normal-type Caterpie

lol

[hallow steeple]

its dessert

[rough meadow]

What's the deal with desserts? I'm desserts/drinks this week, and it's my first time with both

[ripe shuttle]

average level 30 ingredient and slight high roll on the level 60 so prospects look good there. Apples a little sussy but lot of apples nice.

Skill trigger fire with the ingredient magnet. pokemon mon. We take that. Inventory up is nice as well at 25 so you can start holding the honeys you'll be getting at level 30. Rest of the kit going up seems steller too at each stage.

Top tier slakoth. i think rolling tomatos or honey at level 60 is ideal but WHATEVER honestly. Top tier S- or S or something. it's very good

[rough meadow]

[ripe shuttle]

ye. You will be able to make the milk and apple dish easily then and have no problems on the pot AND there is a chance you might be able to make some of the really good chocolate dishes depending on your ingredient magnet rolls 🙂

[rough meadow]

am I insane or is it better to stop evolving at Vigoroth instead of Slaking? It has a 10 minute faster frequency...

[ripe shuttle]

Evolving increases your main skill chance by 1 level AND gives you +5 capacity

You probably put off evolving it for a bit but you should evolve it at some point I am pretty confident. Let me double check though

[rough meadow]

Okay

anyway, very happy to get a good roll on a shiny

my other shiny so far was a pretty decent roll too tbh?

[ripe shuttle]

Yah you want to evolve imo. 9 carry limit (14 after evolving from slakoth) is really bad for a stage 2. If you get it to slacking you'll have 22 carry capacity and a level 3 ingredient magnet instead of a level 2

[ripe shuttle]

It's just better even if it seems sussy

[rough meadow]

Not as good as this slakoth

But definitely at least usable

Raichu Frequency + double inventory subskills

Pretty pog

[rough meadow]

Hmm true, this girl IS more skill-focused than anything, I guess the inventory space and skill level up is worth

Good points

[ripe shuttle]

Middle of the road ingredients but we actually really like eggs. Eggs are kinda hard to come by not a lot of good mons have them.

Double inventory up is slight overkill but we like him. pancake should be fire if you have like two global help bonuses to help it reach capacity

I'd give it like an A still the kit is a bit all over the place without consistency and do nothing nature but the actual skills themselves are all high rolls and the ingredients aren't bad.

[rough meadow]

I have a pichu that I think might be a little better, tell me what you think

[ripe shuttle]

Pichu evolving twice gives it a nice leg up

[rough meadow]

Kind of comparable? honestly hard to say though

[ripe shuttle]

Ye this is also a very good nature

Double ginger is probably really fire and you hit the averages on ingredient amounts

[rough meadow]

Dud golds at 25 and 50 though

[ripe shuttle]

Ginger slight rough to get with the only specialist being ttar line i believe (might be wrong though)

[rough meadow]

makes skill seeds easier to target I guess, but I doubt this guy will ever be a seed priority'

[rough meadow]

I have double x5 x8 ttars

Ginger is not a problem

well, larvitars rn

[ripe shuttle]

50 is not a dud gold (unless you hit max rank cap lmao but I would shame you for being a whale)

[rough meadow]

actually nvm they only have ginger first item lol

[ripe shuttle]

25 is maybe dud idk

energy weird

Level 10 is really nice short term with the nature. If you get it to ten then evolve it twice you're kinda cooking

[ripe shuttle]

and raichu is just generically top tier

[rough meadow]

My larvitars

[ripe shuttle]

Holy shit that is a lot of BEANS

[rough meadow]

(You rated the first S-rank once, but we knew less then, requesting re-ranking)

[ripe shuttle]

WTF

https://tenor.com/view/beanus-beans-digitiser-mr-biffo-gif-18036336

[rough meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-puppet-baked-beans-beans-eating-hungry-gif-16962563

[ripe shuttle]

I stand by the first one being S rank

You high rolled ingredients which is really only thing that is super new (and I guess the realization that those inventory ups will be really crucial later for all the beans)

[rough meadow]

Hell yeah

Ttar nation

lol

Second one feels like maybe an A- but I might be biased cause it's mine

[ripe shuttle]

Idk what I rated the other one probably A or something but the high roll ingredients are a nice touch

[rough meadow]

The skill-focused subskills are a bit dud on ttar

[ripe shuttle]

let me check ttar capacity real quick

[ripe shuttle]

mmmm 29 if you evolve from larvitar

[rough meadow]

Yeah these two are gonna SHRED late game. If I bother to evolve both. might just focus on the first tbh

[ripe shuttle]

I think it's fine at A or even A+ tier it high rolled the ingredients and helping bonus is REALLY good. Just dud skill trigger setups

[rough meadow]

rn I have grepa as a favorite berry, but I'm only running one of them

cause holy shit they're bad right now

They're so bad early game lol

[ripe shuttle]

I have been starting to think helping bonus might be better than berry finder even

I need to know how they stack from multiple mons though

[rough meadow]

I'm running 3 favorite berry mons (all ingredient mons)

and two off-type berry finders

who have helping bonus 10

for this week

[hollow ember]

Oh nice my larvitar says itll give 8 bean sausage I think it is at 60

[rough meadow]

That's really good

can we see pictures?

[grand gust]

Found some interesting mons, especially the primeape, any good?

[ripe shuttle]

Primeape low rolled ingredient amounts BUT high rolled which ingredients it got

[rough meadow]

It's a triple berry with frequency nature

It's gotta be a highroll

[ripe shuttle]

Skill set is really good. I think it has a bit too much skill trigger for my liking instead of like helping speed but I still would rate it like S-

mmmm berry finder

Actually nah you're right

[rough meadow]

pretty rare berry type too

[ripe shuttle]

It's S tier. Even though it has low mushorooms they're still best ingredient and in a way lower mushrooms isn't that big of a deal cause you're just filling it with berries anyways.

I think slight ingredient low roll, not starting as mankey, and slightly awkward skills with skill trigger/skill level make me not want to give it S+. That said this is likely your best pokemon till evolve everything else lmao

Like until you get charizards and typhlosions this is probably best pokemon you will find

and useable after that it's top tier for a primeape still

[rough meadow]

Yeah shame the triple berry doesn't kick in till 75 but

This thing will always be relevant

[ripe shuttle]

Slight high roll for level 30 and low roll for level 60 ingredients on the bellsprout.

Skill setup is goated and like only missing a help bonus global so easy S tier bellsprout

Maybe S- i think the ingredients at 60 looking bad long term but I think its ass will be carried by the skill set hard enough

And S+ before that anywho

[grand gust]

Ideally those ingredients/skill up skills can be helping speed but it is what it is

[crude crystal]

I think your bellsprout is really good, maybe S because their subskills match what it will do. Monke does look decent enough right now but in the future it will be really strong, maybe god tier. Both have what could be the best or one of the best natures in the game, that helps them to get more ingredients and berries and the con does not make so much to them.

[rough meadow]

@ripe shuttle so for my shiny pikachu vs. that pichu earlier, do you think either is worth the invest 🤔

[ripe shuttle]

Above average ingredient rolls on chikorita

I dislike the level 10, love th level 25, and the rest are whatever meta currency global skills so I think i give it an A- or A ranking

Chikoritas in general really good and you have a mostly good chikorita but the down ingredient nature kinda hurt (honey/caccao farming is awesome) but it's like patched by the level 10 and as you scale lategame it should be really good

just like fights its nature and the globals don't make the mon better but like meta currency is meta currency

[grand gust]

About that

Ingredient part

Check out the sleep posting thread, just posted the sudowoodo

They might really be dependent

Saying it might really be advantageous to have ingredient down for berry mons

[ripe shuttle]

High rolled ingredients and the ingredient finder before level 30 is awesome. The skill trigger at 25 is a dead slot and same at 50. It pulls itself together really well lategame. I'll give it like an overall of A. It will destroy for awhile with 5x ginger even if with 2 dead skills and the lategame is patched by berry finder/inventory up and another high roll in 8 sausages

A seems fair since it has so much more potential but I think the insane ingredient rolls salvage this hard

It would have been pretty bad otherwise honestly

[ripe shuttle]

I don't even know where they are anymore

I need to sleep. It's almost 9am. I am going to look this over then go to bed

[grand gust]

Nighty

[rough meadow]

Go the fuck to sleep!

It's literally the point of the game!

[storm citrus]

I think this is decent? Sure is a lot of inventory up and idk how good that is for a berry pokemon

[ripe shuttle]

No i must trash my sleep schedule so pokemon sleep can fix it all over again

[rough meadow]

It's got a little too much skill focus, but the inventory ups are pretty good, and the Berry Finding at 75 makes it into a triple berry finder which is always pog. Even if it's a long-run thing

Helping speed up at 100...

If this thing's skills came in the reverse order it'd be like A+, but in the order they are it's more like A-? Still good enough to use though I think

Maybe B+ from how skll-focused it is idk

It's not like the skill ups are terrible, just not optimal

[storm citrus]

Yeah

[rough meadow]

I feel pretty comfortable saying A-

[storm citrus]

It's a houndour so I love it anyway

[rough meadow]

Potato

[ripe shuttle]

High roll on level 30 ingredient and slight low roll on level 60 but overall positive.

Positive nature and the skill trigger level 10 is nice. Not what is preffered (we like help speed) ut still nice. Inventory up at 25 before getting to 30 so you can hold all the extra ginger is awesome. Second inventory up is a ? but then you suddenly get berry gatherer so like..... wow. You are actually filling up your inventory L and M pretty effectively between good ingredient rolls and the berry finder so holy shit. Even capstone it off with help speed M. I think this is really good. If the help speed swapped with the skill trigger for learn order and the nature was help speed you probably would be looking at an almost perfect houndour. i think as it is it is an S or S- houndour but I think S tier. You like randomly jackpot with the berry finder, good ingredient rolls, and double inventory. This mon is BEGGING you for a help speed global mon on the team though find that asap so it can function. if you do that though this thing should be monstrous

I could be overevaluating

[rough meadow]

🤔

[ripe shuttle]

Its short term is just a little bit above average but its get the ball rolling nicely at 30 and really hard t5

I think that means S- or A+ ig

[rough meadow]

The x3 Ginger 30 is something I overlooked

[ripe shuttle]

but its really good long term

[rough meadow]

that does bump it up a bit.

It's definitely going to be a freak if it's ever maxed

[ripe shuttle]

ye

[rough meadow]

similar to that primeape from earlier

High-frequency triple berry is never irrelevant

[ripe shuttle]

if you max it out its freakish it just has a slowish start (still better than filler though ftr)

[rough meadow]

even if it'll take a year+ to get to 100

Yeah true, true

[grand gust]

Isn’t someone going to sleep🤔

[storm citrus]

:3

Thank you E3 and Panders, go to bed!

[ripe shuttle]

Yes I go bed

[storm citrus]

[rough meadow]

I think I might close my eyes for a little nap too tbh

[ripe shuttle]

I am going to be down like 8 hours no doubt lmao

[storm citrus]

I have caught a decent amount of mons but most seem to be mid as far as I can tell so I'll take this W

[loud pawn]

How's this Primeape? Seems like my first investable pokemon :)

[hollow ember]

Lotta bean sausage

[ripe shuttle]

Okay last one and then bed. You asked nicely.

Medium roll level 30 ingredients and slight high roll level 60. Triple sausage which is better than honey but worse than mushrooms so super average to slightly positive ingredient setup.

Inventory up M is nice for when it hits level 30 and could matter on good camp weeks. This mon kinda needed an inventory up since it started as a primeape and not a mankey and we hit that so yay. Top tier skill at level 25 we love to see it going into bean sausage city at level 30. Level 50 whatever global blank slot but is positive. Not really much you could ask here besides a better global or learning ingredient finder. We get the ingredient finder anyways at level 75 to just really hammer home bean sausage city. Finally sleep exp bonus a bit late at level 100 lmao but i guess you could level up your other not 100's easier when you get to this point idk. Overall I want to give this an A+. There are a lot of things this could have done better, but also like this is a super coherent and really good primeape. It's like S+ tier all the way from 1-49 and then it slowly loses wind at the really late stages but still will have an above average kit 🙂

Now goodnight

I sleep

[storm citrus]

Goodnight stop checking chat!

[loud pawn]

Thank you so much! Please rest well!!

LMFAO "bean sausage city"

Tbh i'm not even too bothered by the sausage party, I'm trying to keep my unique ingredient count low so my ingredient mons/tix are more likely to pull useful ingredients/tail

not even mad

[fallen orchid]

Just got these new boyos, thoughts? I feel like they’re decent?

[ripe shuttle]

Holy shiz I was laying down but just realized how high roll this gastly is. 4 mushrooms level 30 and 7 herb level 60

I am laying down cause I need sleep bons, but I'll check them when I wake up

[fallen orchid]

Oh definitely no worries!!! Haha sleep well!

[ripe shuttle]

The psyduck high rolled max ingredient amounts which is fun 🙂 caterpie is slightly above odds as well. I have the ingredient rolls pinned in case you want to take a look yourself

Gn

Wait is psyduck gathering

If it is it's slightly above odds 30 and slightly below odds 60.

Anyways toodaloo

[celest lava]

@ripe shuttle check out my #1135459507959496802 post. might give you insight on your future plans for making a YouTube channel

[dusk jolt]

I think this guy is bad because of its nature and strange kit just making sure

[smoky crescent]

Is this eevee any goood?

[crude crystal]

Yes

But a bad nature

Still good enough because of the subskills and because you can chose the evolution, and each eevolution have a different subskill

[smoky crescent]

Thanks! Which evolution do you think would suit it best?

[crude crystal]

I would say that its A but because of the nature

Helping speed is really good because you get ingredients and berries faster, but at least it unlocks Helping Bonus at lvl 10 wich gives helping speed to the team so that is good. Also its a skill based pikemon with a nature that increases skill chances on a pokemon that when you evolve it you can get the skill that you want and that is awesome.

Maybe its a S-, the other subkills looks good too

[smoky crescent]

Thanks for the rating! Much appreciated!

[molten vault]

(I did skill seed and subskill seed him)

Also got this good boy

So helpful

[hollow ember]

Wait thats a main skill? Wow

[celest lava]

ah so subskill seed works even if there's only one unlock skill? as long as its allowed to be upgraded?

[hollow ember]

And thats only S, whats the higher tier like?

[molten vault]

level 1 is 4x, and gains 1x for evel level up. so level 2 is 5x, level 6 is 9x

[hollow ember]

Oh wow

Now I want a growlithe more than I already did

[ashen idol]

I think this is a pretty decent eevee, I like having berry finding at lv 10. Nature is meh, but works for gathering both ingr/berries with the ingr finders. Not sure which eeveelution to choose though

[crude crystal]

I think Sylveon could be a good eeveelution

[ocean hull]

You really want skill chance up for Sylveon tho

[crude crystal]

Berry specialized fairy pokemon

[ocean hull]

Problem is the double ingredient finder would in theory reduce berry drops in the long run

[hollow ember]

Where do you find eevee?

[crude crystal]

Really?

[ocean hull]

Vaporeon might be better as it's got a niche for ingredient gathering

[crude crystal]

Oh that means that natures that lower ingredient drops can be good for berry specialists?

[ocean hull]

That's from what I heard

[crude crystal]

cool

[ocean hull]

Check Serebii's location listings

[crude crystal]

https://www.serebii.net/pokemonsleep/pokemon/eevee.shtml

[tawny grotto]

Alright I'm very unconfident when it comes to appraising my pokemon? Are we looking for as many gold subskills as possible or is there a lot more nuance than that?

[crude crystal]

We are learning, but it deppends on the nature, skill, subskills, lvl 30 and 60 ingredients and if its evolved or not

[hollow ember]

Guess im gonna have to snooze now

[ocean hull]

It's hard to explain, the pins goes into some detail

[crude crystal]

Snooze or balanced

Anyway eventually we will get all pokemon I think

[hollow ember]

How do you get balanced? 33% on everything?

[crude crystal]

Its a slow game

[smoky crescent]

@crude crystal do you think Jolteon would be a good evolutions for this eevee?

[crude crystal]

Idk

1 sec

[ocean hull]

Any of them appreciate those sub skills tbh, might as well go with the best eeveelution for you

[crude crystal]

Maybe its nice because of the helping speed that could help to get these ingredients and berries but i dont really know how its skill works. Its the same as arcanine

The berries will be the same that Pikachu gives, since deppending on the type the berries change. Just use Serebii and check wich skill and berries you would want

[tawny grotto]

Sorry, I don't mean to spam but I just wanna learn this with some added input:

As far as I can tell, I'm thinking the caterpie is decent with 4 silver sub skills

I don't like my cubone even though it has some golds but I'm just using it because the berries are favored currently

Maybe a decent gastly? growlithe?

Oh and bulbasaur+ but best skills aren't until late levels

[smoky crescent]

Thanks for all the input, much appreciated!

[ocean hull]

• Pikachu: B. Early dream shard bonus is nice, the rest is pretty neutral. Wouldn't bother with it past lv10
• Bulbasaur: A. Drops a good number of ingredients, ideal nature, sub skills are decent but could be better
• Croagunk: B-. The item drops couldn't be better, but the nature ruins it. Hold onto it in case we get a way to change nature down the line
• Pichu: C. Serviceable nature but not much going for it outside of that. Helping bonus is just too far off
• Cubone: C-. Same situation as Pichu without a good nature. Berry finding being there keeps it out of D, but again too far away
• Charmander: B-. Same boat as Croagunk
• Bonsly: D. It's a bad mon, and nothing on that spread makes up for it
• Eevee: C-. Not bottom of the barrel bad, but low enough to just transfer it anyway
• Growlithe: B. Another Croagunk, but this one's actually worth using up to lv10 for that skill
• Rattata: B-. Bad nature, good sub skills but don't mesh well

[shy pawn]

Thoughts on these 3? I think they got a bit lost in the talk haha

[ocean hull]

• Togetic: D. Similarly bad to Bonsly, arguably worse since it comes evolved. It's better to raise a mon from its base form, as it'd get stronger in the long run by evolving
• Wynaut: D. Bonsly reasoning
• Larvitar: B-. Salvageable with a nature change, but even then you could find better sub skills. Ingredient drops are pretty nice at least
• Magnemite: D-. There's too many negatives here. Main skill down on top of ingredient sub skills don't help its case
• Metapod: C. Too average, and again came as an evolved mon
• Gastly: A+. Just barely misses out on S bc skill triggers are a waste on this mon. Otherwise really great stuff, optimal nature and fantastic item drops, early mushroom (first item is always the same) is very useful
• Bulbasaur: A+. Similar case again, missing link here is the nature
• Arbok: C. Painfully average, nothing that particularly aids it
• Caterpie: B+. Nature is serviceable, sub skills would be ok if the actually good ones weren't so late
• Dodrio: A. This is good purely for early game. Nature and good early skills compensate for being fully evolved already, should be replaced with a better Doduo down the line

[ocean hull]

• Totodile: B-. Deceptive. Nature's useless, while the rarity of the sub skills are high on average the gold ones are not that strong. Usable early thanks to lv10 skill

[tawny grotto]

That was really informative, I appreciate it your time.

[ocean hull]

• Cyndaquil: B. As you say those gold skills are far off. Nature is effectively neutral. Usable but you could find better
• Riolu: C-. Only interesting thing it has is skill trigger, and it's at lv100.
• Pikachu: C+. Okay-ish early game, nature hurts, good skills are too far off

@shy pawn in case I missed ping

[shy pawn]

Thanks, about what i figured but confirmation is always nice

[tepid yew]

A+?

[ocean hull]

Potentially S, what are the ingredient drops?

[ocean hull]

Oooh double mushroom

Yeah that's an S

[molten finch]

Is my shiny ok

I don't like bug pokemon much usually so it's a relief my first one is shiny and seems decent

[ocean hull]

Yeah that's really great considering a shiny. Probably an S tbh

[tepid yew]

I would just unload any Resources on any shiny

[molten finch]

If I had any resources I didn't spend on swablu maybe I would lol

I don't even have a good swablu yet

[ocean hull]

Thinking about it that's the best shiny I've seen. A Ditto on here comes very close but this prolly beats it out

[molten finch]

Nice! It needs a name still

I name all my pokemon

I'm really into these body armor edge drinks and my favorite is the yellow maybe I name it after the drink

[tepid yew]

Honey dipped Caterpie

[molten finch]

That's too many characters and I have too many long names already

I'm thinking "Edgy"

Omg they are pink?!

I love pink pokemon

Maybe Barbie or Barbenheimer if that fits

[tepid yew]

Caterstic

[molten finch]

Dang I have so many long names oh well it's a good representation of another thing that happened this month. I should name one or two after pikmin related stuff too if possible

The ingredient spread is amazing

[frank hollow]

Sorry about the photo dump but would love some feedback on Pokémon that are worth investing in. Thank you so much

[molten finch]

I think most of those pokemon seem pretty good it's great you have a nice variety of berries and ingredients I think it's mostly just making sure to favor gulpin over ekans and the already higher lvl 7 totodile over the lvl 6 but if you get those berries as favorites you might still find use in them without focusing on them too much

Idk the totodile thing is a hard choice the more I look at that someone else would have to figure that out, neither are particularly good but they aren't bad either lol

[loud pawn]

Hey there, would anyone be able to give me some insight into which Growlithe to invest in, or if I should try to roll a different one? Thanks!

[molten vault]

don't think anyone actually gave their thoughts on this. wondering if anyone has experience with growlithe or "energy recovery bonus" could weigh in on how good this would be

[crude crystal]

That can be a decent support. Good nature for it, the first 2 subskills helps to your team, but having helping hand at lvl 10 could had been better. Also good roll for ingredients and the other subskills are not bad too because helps getting more ingredients

Also when it evolves it get increased its main skill

I think its an A

Or maybe S?

[molten vault]

extra helpful dosn't trigger other main skills I'm assuming, i know there's no data on this

i want to run the growlith, but i'm also running a pseudowoodo. so i feel like it could kind of fail if it lands on the wrong mon

the breakpoint for me is if energy recovery bonus is worth running

[crude crystal]

I don’t really know how extra helpful works but if it does like I think maybe it can be really good because it will help the entire team while also getting ingredients and berries thanks to its skill

[crude crystal]

Helping Bonus is worth for sure, idk about Recovery Bonus and about its skill

Deppending on how much that skill gives to you could be like a better or a worse Ingredient Magnet

[molten vault]

I think it scales harder the I-magnet

cause I-magnet is always 6x ingredients at level 1

where extra helpful is 4x a gather trigger, which at level 30 could be a lot more

[crude crystal]

I don’t really know how much it gives extra help but it scales from other mons levels

And if it evolves it will be x5 instead of 4

[molten vault]

from what i'm seeing, 4x help is 4 gather triggers. so if a berry pokemon is hit with it, then it will spawn 8 berries

if an ingredient pokemon is hit, then it could spawn 8 ingredients

[crude crystal]

Maybe It could end being a really good support pokemon but I need more info and calcs

[molten vault]

i'm think of theorizing that growlithe might be the strongest end game mon'

but, at the same time, might be slightly weaker in the early game

[crude crystal]

If that is true that one could be really good. It does have one of the best natures for him, Helping Bonus and good ingredients drops that will increase with a subskill

Maybe it could be worth to keep it in the team to start leveling and evolving it

[molten vault]

it's going to be a while before i get a firestone tho

[crude crystal]

Maybe you get one for free?

[molten vault]

the condition is 10 pokemon raised to 25

level 25

[crude crystal]

You can buy it

[molten vault]

i mean

sleep points don't grow on trees LUL

[crude crystal]

The condition is using all the points that you get during a little more that 2 weeks

[molten vault]

and 80 candy, which could be used to get to level 25 faster

[crude crystal]

Don’t do that

Its better to evolve it first

[molten vault]

yeah? you think?

level 25 subskills are pretty good

[crude crystal]

It will require a lot of candies and shards if you want to level it with candies

I wanted to do that with Pikachu and now I changed my mind

You will hit lvl 25 eventually but what is really worth is what you will get from evolving it

Evolutions have higher capacity and helping speed than their preevolutions

But we found that you get more capacity and and one more level on the main skill if you evolve a pokemon

So the skill will be a x5 instead of a x4 as I said to you and it will give more berries and candies too

If you want you can use candies after evolving it anyway, but getting candies takes some time too and while you get the 80 that you need you will be able to buy a fire stone and it will passively getting levels too

[ocean hull]

Don't have time for a complete breakdown but wanna get across how insanely good that Gulpin is. Ideal nature, berry finding and both skill ups within the first 3 unlocks is absurd

If there's any downside it's ingredient finder tipping the drop rate away from berries, but that's such a minor point and don't have to think about till lv100

[craggy basalt]

Worthwhile investment?

[main rapids]

Hi, do you think I should invest in any of these two igglybuff? I guess the impish one helps with recovery but the nature contradicts the first sub skill, don't know how much value I should place on that. Thanks!

[crude crystal]

Yes. It could be better but it will be really good if you need its berry

Berry Finding is a really good subskill so its great having it at lvl 10 already

And the nature helps to get more berries and ingredients

And it evolves twice so the extra capacity and main skill levels that gives to evolve it will make it even better

[crude crystal]

These doesn’t look good. Helping Bonus is a really good subskill but not getting it until level 100 its like not having it

And their natures are not good and the subskills doesnt help either

[main rapids]

Ahh that's a shame, I'll keep searching, thanks!

[craggy basalt]

Ty @crude crystal ! Will prob dump all my rares in to evolve since it’s a fav berry this week. Just to clarify, evolution always raises the main skill level by one?

[celest lava]

That's alright the way it is don't use anymore shards and candies to level up. evolve to butterfree asap and have around 38 mins frequency with 26 limit and level 3 mainskill

[nimble monolith]

The 3 for today

[white fog]

Which one would be better?

[craggy basalt]

Ty, will do! Just wanted to get it to 10 to unlock the subskill for now

[celest lava]

none but IF I had to choose caterpies just because it's faster and extra limit and mainskill level

[celest lava]

def diglett for hybrid you don't even need to take him out of your sleeping team just because he can gather 2 berries at level 10

[grand gust]

Not sure if this wobuffet is new or not, but the igglypuff could be great

[ripe shuttle]

I fell asleep

[celest lava]

no wonder why people's post had no comments had to step up a bit even though mine are short and to the point

[iron yoke]

i leveled this guy to 10

[ripe shuttle]

Ingredients are average quantity wise as well like about middle of the road but lack of caccao is unfortunate. Flipside though sausage and milk are used in lots of stuff.
Anways

[iron yoke]

[ripe shuttle]

This is a helpful chart for sorting out the useful eeveelutiond/ their skills 🙂

[ripe shuttle]

Average level 30 and slight high roll for level 60 on ingredient amount.

Fuck alright berry finder level 10. You need to evolve this boy asap to get that inventory up. Second global goat, help speed nature and help speed 50 goat, this thing stacked S or S+ tier. I think it would be an S+ or SSS tier if it got an inventory up though like actually lmao.

So you could hold all your honey/beans/berries long term slight better on big sleep, but like best caterpie I've seen by far

Very good butterfree you're insane chispa

[ripe shuttle]

Igglybuff is middle of the road for lategame berries. Starting at iggly is much preferable imo to jiggly. You get the skill triggers really late is pretty oof but nature helps. Inventory and help speed is nice though and BIS nature it's like A+ for wiggly. I wish skill triggers were like level 25/50 and the help speed was at 10 and inventory at 75. The learn order is slightly scuffed. It's good for a wiggly though. Wiggly kinda meh as a species though till we get a pulse on energy

Low roll for ingredients, nature is slightly positive, inventory up is needed on a precaught wobbufet so thank goodness help speed and berry finders are really good but it's such a late bloomer and it's awkward. I'm gonna say it's like an A+ tier wobbufet it's really good for the species but lots of really tiny nicks against it being a perfect kit. Skill learn order and stuff could be better alongside better ingredient amounts. Wobbufet kinda pretty bad as a species too

Again till we learn more about energy at least

[smoky crescent]

Thanks for the response! Would you happen to know if when you evolve eevee the evolutions main would be level 2 or is it level 1?

[mild belfry]

not sure if i should raise this absol yet, level 30 ingredient quantity is kinda nice but no ingredient nature or finder till 100

[ripe shuttle]

Every pokemon when they evolve gets +1 skill level and + 5 capacity (that is added onto base capacity). This includes eevee even though it swaps skills 🙂

What the fuck

Your absol actually us breaking our current data for ingredient rolls

[marble drum]

8 apples???????

[ripe shuttle]

This

[iron yoke]

8 apples lol

[ripe shuttle]

All other ingredient specialists we have seen have given us 2-5 ingredients at level 30

And you just said FUCK THAT and threw a wrench in our super clean values

[grand gust]

Thx! Right these two are all energy related, probably wait till we know more about energy

[ripe shuttle]

😆

Anyways use the absol

[grand gust]

Could be because absol doesn’t have any other forms?

[marble drum]

i really need my shiny absol now

[ripe shuttle]

Cacao is basically the highest not slowpoke tail value ingredient and absol I believe is the only Cacao specialist at level 1

Once other shit hits level 30 just laugh at them in 8x apple drops

And profit

[mild belfry]

maybe i can raise it and hope for nature changing items in the future

[ripe shuttle]

You probably will actively want to find a good magnemite or evolve a good eevee into flareon/jolteon to increase pot size tbh

But you cross that when you cross that

[smoky crescent]

Thanks for the response! Really appreciate your knowledge!!

[ripe shuttle]

Skill list is solid too ftr. It's not perfect but you get help speed and inventory which I think are neccesary. You will need 3 sub skill seeds eventually (one at level 25 and 2 at 75) but like kit is solid as heck. We don't shun skill trigger or skill level up charge strength actives too hard even if there is slightly better skills. I will rate this like A+ or S- on my scale cause of the silly ingredient rolls. You're also finding 7 caccao at level 60 which like, nuts. It's really just the nature being held back and you'll need the 3 sub skill seeds but that's super down the road for the inventory upgrades too

I think it would have probably been nutter with 2 inventory ups tbh lmao

[mild belfry]

at least i can clear it out during the day fairly often, but at sleep... yeah

[thin flame]

Here is my swaby what do y'all think?

[still crest]

Caterpie Caterpie yeah

[ripe shuttle]

@ocean hull wrench in the ingredient values. Chance 1 stage pokemon might have different value ranges for ingredients or maybe it's a rare pokemon thing

Just a note. Only exception seen so far but it exists

[ripe shuttle]

I can't tell what the ingredients are for x3 (is it beans?)

You high rolled amounts though. x3 and x5 are top of the ingredient range for swablue line. Nature is whatever but probably positive technically. We love help speed+inventory+ingredient finder. We dislike we need to use subskills though. I think it's fine honestly it's quite good. Skill level up whatever second help speed goated. I'm gonna give it like an S-. Nature is whatever and level 75 is whatever and SLIGHT seed investment but the set is very good and ingredient high rolls are top notch

[ebon bay]

also looking for swablu evaluation. Im prob gonna end up getting a lot of them but I want to at least gauge my plan for initial investment in this one

[ripe shuttle]

And like it has immediately useful 10 and 25 skills

for the swablue

[iron yoke]

Panders why is Typhlosion so high in the tier list

[thin flame]

o the ingredients are egg, then beans and apple respectively

[ripe shuttle]

About average on ingredients but slightly above average level 60. Would have preferred honey straight through but very small deal.

We love skill chance up nature with magnet and you have the skill level up M to boot. You can hit level 5 main skill when it evolves into butterfree which is the nuts and 1 main skill seed after you have a maxed main skill. That means gathering 21 ingredients a skill proc. Nutty af. We like the the help speed and ingredient finder S at 50 puts us back to base odds for getting ingredients, we like the skill trigger a lot but it needs a skill seed, it's good.

I will note, i have no idea if the skill level ups let you go over level 6 main skill. If they do, awesome sauce use a skill seed immediately. If it doesnt, I think main skill seed still worth it since you don't get the other skill level up till level 100 lmao so that's forever from now and you can be raking in +4 ingredients per skill activation that entire time if you use a seed now. Your call though technically wastes a seed over a year from now but i think worthwhile value.

Anyways this is like an S- or S tier caterpie. It has an undesireable downside on the nature slightly and the level 100 is super awkward but otherwise you have nearly perfect caterpie

[ripe shuttle]

Coolio just checking

[still crest]

thank you!!

[ripe shuttle]

Doesn't really change my eval just would have been nice if eggs at 30 since eggs slightly rare.

but not really a deal breaker in any way

[ripe shuttle]

Hell yes. Triple egg swablue is pretty sweet and you hit the 4x at 60 for slightly above average too.

Great nature and skill set so easy S tier. Level 100 is a ? but also lmao level 100 and maybe energy will be good in 2024-2025 who knows

pretty poggy little bird

You probably want to subskill seed at level 30

[ebon bay]

omg pog af

[ripe shuttle]

if you upgrade ingredient finder S to ingredient finder M you can start getting better odds at the double egg rolls

[ripe shuttle]

really high carry limit and frequency

actually..... looking at ingredient list this thing could be nuts

If you get ginger-caccao-caccao and 3/5 on caccao as well it will frankly fill your pots to a disgusting degree with a top tier ingredient on top of just slamming in berry value. I may need to reevaluate its placement 👀

[iron yoke]

good to know

thanks!

[ornate jolt]

Finally got a swablu what do you guys think?

[smoky crescent]

So is every Pokémon’s first ingredient always the same, and then it can be random ingredient from three different types?

[grand bough]

Promising?

[ripe shuttle]

High roll 30 amount and second highest 60 amount ingredient pog. Also consistent beans.

Nature is solid I like it especially with good ingredient rolls. We like inventory (although it's low impact till level 30) and we really like help speed. Double skill triggers are duds and then capstone of berry finder is technically really good.

I'd give it like A+ just cause of the really hard spike at 30 carrying it to 60 carrying it to... whatever. There's better but this is solid still

You got the hardest part which is good ingredients and and 2 good subskills early on. 2 duds in midgame a bit unfortunate but we viben

[ripe shuttle]

Straight honey through is awesome and you hit average honey level 30 and slightly above level at level 60. Nauture? Best in slot. Skill trigger and skill level up? Hype af with ingredient magnet. Help speed help speed is stupid and second skill trigger.... This is S

[ornate jolt]

Love it! Thank you

[ripe shuttle]

You rolled a really good caterpie

Might even be an S+ caterpie but you didn't hear me say that. Technically could harvest +1 honey at level 30 and 60 but bahhhhhhhhhhh that is literally only mark against it

it's like basically perfect butterfree

[dreamy pond]

i feel like my Pikachu isnt good.. is it any good?

[ripe shuttle]

Average ingredient amounts for level 30 and 60 so decent start.

We like help speed up nature. ingredient down a little sad but it's still positive on the whole we like help speed.

Skill trigger is filler but decent. Ingredient finder offsets the nature slightly which is nice ig. Inventory up is really helpful at 50. Global is meta currency/10 whatever. level 100 technically quite good.

It's like A- on my scale its kit is a bit all over but still very good nature will carry it and you hit what you needed too for ingredient amounts. An A- pikachu is still a very good pokemon you should use ftr. Raichu is pretty nutty. There are definitely technically better pikachu's you can find though with a bit of effort. That said, i think if you did find a better pikachu you just use 2 raichu's instead of replacing this one lol

I wouldn't like prioritize raising this but it should naturally level just by being on the squad on grepa weeks and once you get into the 20's you can start pushing it to level 30 to get some of the good value stuff

It's probably low invest though

I wouldn't like sub skill seed or main skill seed it

[dreamy pond]

okay great thank you so much for the info!

[smoky crescent]

What would you rate this raichu?

I know the ingredients are low :(

[remote jasper]

Aight

I have a lot of caterpie candies. I caught the metapod as a metapod. Should I evolve this one or get another metapod or caterpie and try my luck with them

[junior rampart]

I’ve been reading a lot of the reviews hereto try to learn to rate my own stuff in the future, but I wanted to get a check on these just to be sure I got it down, ty!

[ripe shuttle]

The ingredients hit the averaged so it's not a big deal. Very average ingredient set.
Energy is a ? We don't mind the nature it probably is slightly worse than average but it far from messes you up. Level 25 skill Is really nice just in time for the level 30 ingredient unlock. You even follow that up eventually by inventory uphelp speed. Skill trigger is whatever its slightly positive but not wow.

Like a B+ raichu cause you hit ingredient odds and you get ingredient finder+ inventory up. Long term he will just collect you shit tons of apples. Raichu is good as a species though very happy with him. Good to invest into level 25/30, decent invest to level 50 and 60, and then we slow roll from there cause 75 bad an 100 is lmao away even if help speed is good

[ripe shuttle]

Metapod
So you hit average st level 30 and slightly above average at 60 for ingredient amounts. We prefer honey but the others aren't bad so we chill. We really like ingredient finder/help speed going into level 30 to just really get a lot of ingredients and we hit our capacity each night. The inventory ups are like probably relevant so that's good. The first one at level 50 is at least. Skill trigger nice.

It's like an A tier metapod. I would prefer a good nature.
It could have had better ingredient rolls but it got over the exactly middle of the road odds which is nice. I would have preferred if caterpie cause evo bonus. The kit is very steller though you're happy and you take this. Butterfree line is great

[ripe shuttle]

You really high rolled the ingredient amounts on this larvitar. 5x and 8x is great and you'll have the inventory up needed lategame to really get nutty pulls.

Really whatever neutral nature. We love help speed up and ingredient finders though.

S- tier. This thing is goated it just needed a good nature. Could have technically had all ginger ingredients for maximum high roll but also a lot of dishes need bean sausage and a couple niche ones need the soy beans. Bean boy. If we ever get mints I'd rate this S+ with a help speed or ingredient nature.

Squirtle slight low rolled level 3 quantity but the caccao is beat quality ingredient it could have. Second best level 60 gather amount.

Kit is great, help speed and inventory is great. I want to say A-. the amount of Cacao hurts since you could be getting 4x or 5x but the fact you rolled caccao is steller and kit is very very clean but they're all smalls so you will need seeds. If you get to like a max level 100 or whatever nonsense with fully upgraded skills it's pretty wonderful and a hard S tier somewhere but I think the smalls and the slightly low gather amount hurt enough. It's good though use this squirtle 100%

[remote jasper]

👍 thank you for taking the time to explain everything. cheers

im ngl i didn't look at larvitar's ingredients before i posted the screenshot and i stunlocked myself lmao

[smoky crescent]

Hardest choice in this game is choosing what you want to evolve your eevee into lol

[ripe shuttle]

Bulbasaur got good rolls on amounts. 4x and 7x are high ends of the spectrum 🙂

Triple ingredient finder is top notch between level 10, 25, and nature we take those. Arguably best in slot nature too. Good power spikes in help speed and inventory up and capstone of berry finder too is dumb. S+ tier. My only issue is you will need some skill seeds for level 50 and 75. This is really insane bulbasaur though.

Speed of help helping bonus riolu is kinda fire. We also hit average ingredient amount
Rest of kit is fine it's like A+. The globals are steller and nothing dead in the kit at all outside of the energy global passive. That's just cause we don't know much about energy gains though. I wish any of the other 3 skills happened at level 25 though. If it turns out that the energy is relevant then like comfy S tier, but I don't feel comfortable putting it over A+. It's just supporting with help bonus going to slightly patch oil gathering for the most part while occasionally giving some dream shards. You def roll with it on favored berry week but idk if it is worth or not for other weeks. Is good though

Small skills later on might bottleneck for this riolu too actually

I'm gonna probably knock the rating off some for that into A. You still just use it though and abuse global help bonus where ti feels applicable

Bulbasaur not getting knocked down for skill seeds late game was cause he deserves them he is loaded this riolu will fight with bulbasaur though for the seeds and probably other mons too

[junior rampart]

bulba deserves all the seeds he best starter uwu
tysm for taking the time to rate all our stuff and provide detailed explanations too! :>

[sharp wyvern]

wondering how good this guy is, seems like the only mon i have so far who looks alright to me

[thin flame]

Here is my Magnemite are there other pokemon that increase the pot too?

[ripe shuttle]

While they are worth less points than leeks and potatoes, triple tomato is so saitsfying to look at lol. You also high rolled amounts in 5 and 7 your 1 off from maximum tomato farming which is lit.

Nature is whatever. I'd say slightly negative cause of exp down affecting research rank and you're getting nothing in return (skill chance lol) but it's really just kinda whatever netural.

Skill trigger level 10 eh. Ingredient finder S awesome at 25 right before you get to 30. Perfect timing on inventory up at level 50 to hold all the tomatoes going into 60. Another skill trigger which is a dud basically (tmk. energy correlations to gathering still out there). The berry finder capstone is awesome if basically too late to matter. I think I'll give it an A. Two dud skills, whatever nature, but you hit two important skills in ingredient finder and inventory up which are important and you high rolled ingredient amounts. Really solid long term. Filler C tier before level 25, it gets nice at 25 but then gets VERY explosive in tomato production at 30 so 30 is your real powerspike here. We don't mind filler bellsprouts early much though, if it's salad or curry week we like these. 🙂

It'll really want a skill seed at level 25 to get that ingredient finder up and probably would like the inventory up skill seeds.

[ripe shuttle]

Middle of the road on ingredient amount rolls but we like fiery herbs because they are worth lots of points.

Speed up help and inventory up are nice starts. Ingredient finder going into level 30 2x fiery herb is nice. I wish we got skill trigger though. More help speed fire, helping bonus fire, ingredient finder capstone fire.

I'd rate it A+ or S-. Lack of skill up ANYWHERE really hurts but the rest of the kit is goated for ingredient farming. basically once you hit 30 you will use this as your 5th mon to get some extra value in your dishes by increasing pot size and finding you a chunk of extra fiery herbs to put in which have a pretty great point value in the grand scheme of things :). Trading some skill triggers for a nice gathering set isn't that bad on magnemite if it hits average or above average rolls and you landed like just above that line with fiery herbs at average frequencies.

Global help speed bonus does a lot for it to have sticking power late game despite lack of skill trigger imo although that's of course speculation

Oh goodbye sudowoodo

[undone flower]

ah sorry i was just adding my pikachu haha

[ripe shuttle]

oh xD

thought you got like self concious about it or something

[undone flower]

LMFAO

that’d be pretty good hahah

[ripe shuttle]

Sudowoodo Average level 30 and above average level 60 roll on quantity. We're very sad we didn't roll mushrooms, but the quantities still are nice for the ingredients we do have. I think no mushrooms is a bummer though they are worth a lot more than beans or tomatos.

It's the proper up nature, you get skill level up which is AWESOME. Meta currency/10 for your level 25 skill skill. We like all the other things in the kit. We SORELY miss the lack of an inventory up though like sudowoodo only has 10 capacity. It's a pretty fine woodo though. I'ts like A+ i think. The lack of inventory expanding gatekeeps it from S tier it will not gather much at all during your big sleeps but like the kit is pretty steller outside of that for a sudowoodo. I will note, sudowoodo's as a species are pretty bad and you kinda need to evolve one from bonsly if you want it remotely useable since it increases your capacity by +5 and gives you a free +1 level to your main skill. It also faces super stiff competition from ampharos and espeon that basically just outclass it as a species.

WOOT high roll on ingredients larvitar. 5x and 7x is nearly perfect ingredient farming. Especially the 7x ginger once it hits level 60 will be mounstrous. WE like an inventory up and don't mind it early, skill trigger is kinda dud, it of course will spike at 30 with the 5x bean gathering, we love help speed, we don't mind a second inventory up but god damn I don't think we need 3 xD. idk actually. It could honestly still probably work. If you are hitting 5x and 7x ingredient high rolls you fill up space QUICKLY. That said when this is fully evolved at level 100 it will have..... 65 max inventory I think it's funny that theoretical endgame if you really high roll your ingredient chance procs will be close to maxing that out which.... idk. ANYWAYS I'm giving it an S-. It is missing an ingredient finder active in place of one of the three inventory ups. and you have 1 dud skill in the skill trigger. Once you start hitting your like 30 and 60 spikes though it will be . It's still find short term the inventory up S is meaningful for rn before you evolve and while you don't get value at 25 in just 5 more levels it will start raking in the money.

[ripe shuttle]

Berry finder pikachu woohoo! Skill chance up exp gains down is a net positive we like that. Hit very average ingredient amounts but we vastly prefer ginger and eggs to apples so nice quality. Ingrediet finder x2 at reasonable levels, inventory, and eventually a skill Level up. Very solid pikachu. S tier. Could be more optomized like starting as pichu or getting inventory up earlier and better nature.but hell i would be really hard pressed to find the slightly more optimal pikachu's that also include berry finder. You need to evolve this man to get inventory space up though like really badly. You will thank me when you wake up to a raichu collecting 26 berries.

[undone flower]

damn this is incredible info thank you so much <333

how important are main skills generally? maybe i’m misunderstanding but it seems like you’ve been saying that sub skill rolls to optimize berries or ingredient finding matters a lot more than trying to optimize for main skill usage?

[ripe shuttle]

It really depends on the pokemon

usually the main skills are nice perks but aren't worth optimizing for unless:
You are ampharos, sudowoodo, or espeon who have charge strength M that has massive amounts of value.

You have ingredient finder.

You are growlithe or jolteon. These mons could kinda go either way for gathering or skill trigger but their skill extra helpful is very strong and they are technically skill specialists.

You are magnemite, flareon, or glaceon who increase your pot size for meals. Very good value if you can capatalize on them since extra ingredients give lots of points (especially high value ones like caccao, herbs, leeks, mushrooms, and of course slowpoke tails)

Does this help 🙂

Other generic charge strength skills are generic so why spec and energy is hard to value long term it's very obtuse

Togepi probably likes skill trigger sets but metronome rng no fun

[smoky crescent]

That’s why leaning on evolving my eevee Into espeon, instant gratification from charge strength M lv 2

[ripe shuttle]

Espeon is kinda unique but I'm lowkey a fan. Kinda just diet ampharos but unique psychic berries is steller for diversity and it's not like far behind ampharos much. We also like eevee ingredient pool

[smoky crescent]

Yup plus my eevee has main skill up nature and skill trigger M down the line

[ripe shuttle]

That's like good for all eeveelutions tbf

but ye ye i get it

Spamming charge strength M sounds so fun imo I really hope I get a good setup for it sonner or later

[smoky crescent]

Yeah I like jolteon but the more unique berries of espeon or glaceon make me want them more

[undone flower]

yea this is fantastic thank you!!

i’m curious how do you know so much about the game already o.o

[ripe shuttle]

UHhhhh

leaderboard

doesn't pull up

one sec

I am literally in here like 10+ hours a day on my days off so I chat the most, I am working towards getting accurate info for stuff like the sleep mathcord, and I really really care about the game.

I don't claim to know everything but trying to help people wrap their heads around this game i think is really helpful since it's really hard to know what's good at first

I am 2 tiers up from second place on the board for messages i'm in great 3 on the server rn

[undone flower]

that’s honestly super kind of you

thanks for helping the community <33

wait actually on second thought are these any good, i thought they were bad but their sub skills all seem pretty coordinated

[grave dragon]

Got a shiny slowpoke today but looks meh

[ripe shuttle]

Bulbasaur
Above average rolls on the bulbasaur ingredients is nice. Tomato's kinda eh but you get a lot of them and it's not far behind his other ingredient options to really worry. You like the quanitity a lot. Nature is very good one of 2 best in slot. We like having an inventory up when we have high lategame ingredients. Will be nice for your main sleep too at level 10. Rest of the kit is steller. I'm gonna say S- because he has a LOT of white skills that will need sub skill seeds. Like 5 seeds over the entire kit which is a lot. It has all the right skills and natures though and is like an S tier kit. Just low values before you invest a lot (but the right values).

Charmander
Max roll on level 30 bean sausage amount and one away from level 60 bean sausage being optimal.

Nature is bad we don't care about energy recovery but we like our main skill in ingredient magnet. WE like an inventory up for eventual sausage farm and still good at 10 for getting a lot on main sleep. We like ingredient finder, we like help speed, we like skill trigger, second inventory is maybe overkill but I really like it. I'll say A+ as well. This thing is nearly perfect as far seeds goes and only needs 2 subskill seeds. It also will play just fine and has a good kit. After they are fully optomized though it has a lower cieling than the bulbasaur. They're like roughly similar effectiveness though. Bulbasaur is better of the two, this charmander is a great charmander though that's above average outside of the nature. This is a mon you use for awhile and pray we get like mints. If you mint him it's an S+ tier charmander but we dunno if we'll get those

I think the charmander high rolling ingredients and having the right kit just lets him rise above his nature so hard i'm sad he has a bad nature

[ripe shuttle]

Average ingredient amounts for pikachu BUT ginger is >>>>>> apples so we like the list overall.

Ingredient finder steller. Help speed awesome. We like the other skills too. Neutral nature. I'll say A tier becuse of do nothing nature and it needs a lot of skill up seeds but it has a really nice kit. You should use this. I assume we just don't bother with the seeds and take it at face value but it's still an above average raichu the line is great.

Average honey at 30 but low roll in 2 ingredients at level 60. At least they're caccao though. Idk i'm not feeling this jiggly much. It's above average but not steller the nature is meh, the skill order is weird but we like the helping bonus, and the ingredients are low amounts although we like which ingredients they are. B tier

I think this slowpoke is fine. 1 tail at level 30 is sad since not two tails, but we are grateful for tails for sure. Level 60 being caccao is honestly fine caccao is high value and we get 4x of them. Ingredient finding down nature slightly doomed. Skill set is doomed. B tier. It has a good ingredient list but everything else is dookie. THAT said at level 25 you do get the bonus exp which does actually really add up as you add more and more of it to a team so that's kinda nice. I don't think you much (cause shiny) because of the level 25 global exp for your pokemon team. You may end up saving him for like a 4 exp bonus team to power level things over the course of a week which is SUPER reasonable probably.

[gray violet]

?

[grave dragon]

Thanks for your input red! Always helpful! Yea shiny slowpoke is trash in skill set

[ripe shuttle]

can you show me ingredients as well? Idc about when or where caught but I do need to see ingredient list 🙂

[ripe shuttle]

Woot!

5x and 7x. Highest rolls are 5x and 8x

We like honey too a lot

[gray violet]

[ripe shuttle]

Skill chance down nature hurts but the kit is steller. Idk what rating it's nothing lower than A+ but probably an S rank of some kinda. Energy recovery bad, berry finding is top tier, we like inventory and ingredient finder and the eventual second ingredient finder

We super like this bulbasaur. High rolled in many relevant ways

[fallen orchid]

Hey pals any word on these boyos?

[manic sedge]

Sup my man, hows this one? Hoping for a jolteon

[grave dragon]

@ripe shuttle btw I have a question on cooking meals, I’m currently running out of ingredients for meals cuz I expanded my pot too large, any suggestions on this?

Do you just toss everything in for all meals?

[ripe shuttle]

Uh if you are really strapped the most important thing is to make a meal that isn't mixed. Use less ingredients if you have too

[ripe shuttle]

I need to finish some coursework tonight for my program, but I will eyeball this when I am done 🙂 Also I made a giant guide literally just a couple minutes ago in #1135772767829110825 if you think you want to tackle it yourself. it covers I am pretty sure everything.

[grand gust]

If the theory about there’s a fixed amount of skill triggers each day is comfirmed, skill chance down might actually be optimal for ingredient/berry mons🤔 just some thoughts

[ripe shuttle]

It's not fixed

I belive (current theory) you have a % chance to find a berry, a % chance to find an ingredient, or a % chance to activate your skill

[grand gust]

Is it not? I thought I saw at somewhere that you can trigger like 5 times everyday

Huh that’s interesting

[ripe shuttle]

That all get fudged with by stuff like ingredient helper, skill trigger, etc.

That is my current theory on skills, but i can't back it up too hard yet

Energy also should play a factor in activating your skills

[grand gust]

Gotcha, I am convinced about the berry/ingredient theory tho, saw discussion at quite some places

I’m like 80% sure they are dependent

[ripe shuttle]

Like maybe your pokemon has a 1-20% chance to activate depending on energy level, 30% ingredient find chance, and 50% berries. As energy goes down it just shifts weight to berries/ingredients (likely equally)

this is a working theory

Do not assume it is right, but it is maybe what happens

random numbers as well these aren't anything I'm basing stuff off of

[grand gust]

I see

[mossy mantle]

is this worth investing in?

[ripe shuttle]

For sure don't run with it as factual like i said but it is my guess

[grand gust]

I’m thinking about, if there could be a more efficient way for rating and stuff, like say we name a perfect model, with perfect nature + perfect skills, then subtract scores for differences

[ripe shuttle]

I made a giant thing in #1135772767829110825 🙂 it could maybe help you evaluate them. I will be busy for a few hours. I will check them when I'm done though. It takes a lot of time and I need to do some coursework

[manic sedge]

no problem, ill have a look, tyvm btw!

[grand gust]

For example, let’s say for a berry Pokémon, the perfect version could be adamant nature; berry finder s, helping bonus, helping speed M, speed S, and possibly skill up?

[ripe shuttle]

Sure whatever we can assume it. It's species dependent though

[grand gust]

And then when people asking for a rating, it’s easier to check if it’s good or bad

[grand gust]

Regardless of species, should be mostly tied to specialty

[ripe shuttle]

One thing that is a slight bottleneck is there may be 2 really good "best" kits like one with ingredient finder and ingredient natures while the other is help speed up (and maybe even ingredient down nature) and has no ingreident finder skills

[grand gust]

But yeah maybe the skill lvl up part could be related to species

[ripe shuttle]

A lot of berry specialists have good ingredient lists like chikorita with chocolate/honey

Or typhlosion with ginger honey or primeape who can run sausage mushrooms

Just as random examples

[grand gust]

But if they are dependent, berry mons getting ingredients won’t be efficient enough

[ripe shuttle]

And like eggs for example are on NO ingredient mons even at later levels

only berry and skill mons

[grand gust]

I’m more towards each type doing their own things, like berry mon getting ingredient finding down

[ripe shuttle]

I think a high roll berry mon with 3/5 or 3/4 is something that you could very feasibly turn into an "ingredient mon that finds two berries" kinda vibe

Those are almost like a middle of the road ingredient mon has berry finder in an obtuse way

And is super worth for the high value stuff like coccao or mushrooms or maybe for like eggs

[grand gust]

Slightly different but true, as there’s no such thing as berry finding chance down, and berry finder s won’t give you more chance but purely more values when “unluckily” you find a berry instead of ingredients

[ripe shuttle]

It's just mental theorycrafting rn

It's 10pm. I need to do this

I'll be back when finished

[grand gust]

Alrighty cya

[dreamy plaza]

Seems like a good growlithe

[ionic grove]

Is this useable or it's wasted?

[ripe shuttle]

I like him. You max rolled level 30 ingredients and nearly max rolled level 60. You even got fiery herbs there which is fire af. If growlithe hits itself with extra helpful you could get a lot of good ingredients cause of this!

We love berry finder and this also is nutty for growlithe hitting itself with its own ability. Ingredient finder is fire at 25 right before you get to 30 and can get lots of sausage. Skill trigger is really wanted and we need to seed this but glad it comes in not too late. Also absolutely fire that we land the inventory up at level 75. You will likely be hitting capacity around this point so extra capacity is lit. Want to subskill up this. Capstone of ingredient finding too. We also like this nature (i know it is scuffed slightly on ingredient finding but we take the help speed) I will rate it kinda neutral i think. Mentally looking at the progression and kit I want to call this an S- or even S tier growlithe. the nature hurts but the kit absolutely fucking slaps. Prime target for mints if they ever show up and bumps this easily to an S+ or SSS rating.

[dreamy plaza]

The nature that would be ideal is skill chance up right?

[turbid pivot]

Is this boi a dud 😦

If only it could chop off its tail