share your pokemon! rating

[grand gust]

Yeah I know it’s bad, just talking about the skills

[obsidian vortex]

that's something we need to try to figure out

[ripe shuttle]

Yah I wish I knew. I think I might work hard to test it

[crude crystal]

Maybe in the future

[obsidian vortex]

I'm thinking of doing an alt on an other phone to test things

[ripe shuttle]

You can only upgrade skills you have unlocked so I will probably try to find a mon with a small skill at level 10 and the size up from that at a later level and give it an attempt

[grand gust]

Easiest way would be find a good mon with helping speed s on lv10, Will try

[ripe shuttle]

So I can know for certain

[obsidian vortex]

(knowing I'll get more shinys on the alt ofc and that'll trigger me)

[grand gust]

Charge strength is not a good skill right?

The one that increases snorlax energy

[ripe shuttle]

Charge strength is usually not that crazy no

Ampharos line might be an exception since it has charge M which is like always 800 at just level 1 I believe? Id have to double check.

It's kinda dookie on like the pikachu and jhoto starters but like you don't complain when it triggers

[obsidian vortex]

early game with pika it's alright when you have less than 5 Mon
now it's kinda bad cause it doesn't happen often

but a mon specialized on skills with the 800 one could be viable

[ripe shuttle]

It's fine I don't think charge strength mons are like garbage tier most of the charge strength mons (besides sudowoodo) have good kits like nice frequency or berry specialists

[grand gust]

Found this interesting little guy

[ripe shuttle]

Or in ampharos's case just better sudowoodo. 3 stage Evo with high frequency so even if you go all in on like skill trigger and main skill chance up nature you still get nice contributions. I think ampharos is one of the mons that like NEEDS berry finder though

But I think there may be a spot for it compared to like woodo. It's the best of the skill specialist charge strength mons

[obsidian vortex]

damn that bonsly seems good

[ripe shuttle]

This guy is weird. Down ingredient nature kinda really fights with the two ingredient finders but the line really likes its skill chance up. You do eventually get the skill triggers you need though. I'd put this at line an A or A- for a sudowoodo in a vacuum but the line itself isn't very good really

Probably just a solid A

[obsidian vortex]

with the sub skills and ingredients the other way around it would have been 👌

[grand gust]

Probably holding it till a berry finder one tho, those 10 and 25 are not too good

Yeah

[ripe shuttle]

Look at its frequency

[obsidian vortex]

I have a question on a mon when you're finished with this one, lmk

[ripe shuttle]

Ye I think woodo and ampharos line need berry finder even more than their ingredient specialist counterparts that raise charge strength since they aren't really compensated for the lack of ingredients or berries quite well enough

[ripe shuttle]

Shoot

[obsidian vortex]

what do you think of lvling him 10 and swapping him in the team for the sleeps ?

[fallow lantern]

Hi everyone, I would like to hear your thoughts on my starred pokemon I considered are worth investing in. Do you feel the same or should I wait for better ones?

[grand gust]

Like boosting the others?

[obsidian vortex]

yeah, basically getting 114xp instead of 100 by full night for the 4 others

(it's without taking others xp up or down ofc)

[grand gust]

Easy math 114 * 4 < 100 * 5, if you have better mons to invest

[obsidian vortex]

we'll look right after 👍

[grand gust]

114 * 4

[iron yoke]

This is my gf's eevee

I can translate if needed lol

[obsidian vortex]

I have seen so much of those pictures I don't need translation lol

[ripe shuttle]

Okay so sleep bonus exp is goated ye so definitely get it to level 10 and then I think you just chill till you get a better sleep bonus mon to replace. The skill level M is actually not bad either hmmmm. It's not higher than like an A- but I don't know exactly how good the skill level up M is. Puts a big wrench in things and then double inventory up is weird too lol. I think just 10 and vibe is correct like you were thinking. You're fine to like run it throughout the day if favored berry it's still a berry specialist. I don't know the effectiveness of sleep swapping it's very weird since mons that aren't on the party during sleep don't get that energy back.

[ripe shuttle]

I understand all of these but the first level 10, is that skill level up M? Only thing that makes sense

[obsidian vortex]

yeah for energy I'll figure how to take that into account

thx for the feedback

[iron yoke]

yeah

[obsidian vortex]

I do think Red is looking at your Mons Monster so I'll keep it short,
squirtle S you can invest in him
I'll put dodo lvl 25 to get sub skills
pika I feel like 10 Is enough ( better to find a rly good Pichu later)
britney is worth investing
psyduck I'm unsure if it's good or not
metaphor is tricky as a caterpie would be better long term wise but lvling him 10 should be good until then

[ripe shuttle]

Top notch squirtle. Speed of help and one of the best in slot natures. Inventory up should actually matter here and the late level ups are good too. Like only thing that can improve this is berry finder and a second help speed but what you have isn't bad either. I'd give it an S or S-.

Helping bonus doduo? Awesome. Really good nature too and the research bonus is nice as well. I really like this guy and I'd put him in S tier too. Only thing that could be better is something else in the skill trigger slot or again berry finder but otherwise it's like a perfect kit.

A+ pikachu. More helping bonus. Nature is whatever but slightly positive. Skill level up M is just okay on pika but I'm not that much a fan. Later abilities are great. Awesome compliment to the squirtle and doduo the only reason it misses S tier for me is that the level 25 spike is not quite as good as it could be but this is still incredibly solid.

What is with all these good globals lmao. A tier toxicroak. Do nothing nature and slow getting impactful skills but the global will help a lot and it should be quite solid for awhile just riding the double helping bonus from the pika and doduo. I think it's positioned well in the squad. There are better toxicroak long term though.

Ffff berry finder. So psyduck line kinda sucks but berry finder helps the rut out a bit. Skill trigger is pretty blegh though at ten. I'm going to put this in like an A tier because of the berry finder alone even if the rest of the kit is kinda meh. That skill is very good especially for mons that need help like duck line.

Do nothing nature but good skill list for a metapod so A. Energy recovery could have been a better skill and the whatever nature hampers it a bit but again just a solid subskill set. You would have preferred caterpie instead of metapod so you get the free extra capacity bonus from evolving. The helping speed s also comes in really late at level 75. Enough small things I don't want to put it in S tier but like I'm hard pressed to find much better subskill sets than this for a butterfree.

Why do you have such a good list lmao

[obsidian vortex]

let's see if I have the same thoughts than Red

[ripe shuttle]

Mmm think I rated toxicroak too high

But whatevs it slots in really well in this contenxt when you have double help speed rolling

[obsidian vortex]

yeah that's a good early game combo there

[grand gust]

Looked for some berry finding, all of them seems to have some down sides tho…

[ripe shuttle]

Bis nature, help speed at 25, decent level 10 that gets really good after evolving. I like it. I think this would make a mean flareon or jolteon. You get the skill activation really late though. It's proper kit just improper order so I think that means A+.

[obsidian vortex]

well berry finding skill on Mons that aren't berry specialized feels weird
and for pika 75 is too late

[ripe shuttle]

So you get the berry finder super late on the pikachu but it's one of the bis natures. Your kit is nearly perfect just skill trigger kinda blegh and the order is jumbled. I think A+ cause bad skill order but it grows really well and like it's definitely not bad at all early just it doesn't spike as hard as it could. Great really lategame set imo though and you aren't like handicapped before then that hard.

Gastly is like actively really bad before level 25 haha. I think A tier LONG TERM still because berry finder salvages it but the nature and early game fight it hard. Like actual D tier before it reaches 25

Diglet is S tier

Two ingredient finder skills on the ingredient mon AND berry finder? Like come on

Sure skill focused nature and level 50 could be better but also they're still valuable. Might even be an S+ mon.

I don't think the gastly is worth but like I wouldn't mulch it into candy lol. I'd let it rot in my box and then some fateful day that I have 1000 gengar candies and dream shards burning a hole in my pocket I might level that thing up

[grand gust]

Same though lol!

[obsidian vortex]

oh I see the point of berry finding on an other Mon, if it's fav berry you get a free one on a mon that specialized in ingredients so it kinda becomes a bruiser that does both

smart

[grand gust]

Yeah it’s 100% bonus vs. 50% on berry mons

[ripe shuttle]

So ye. Berry finder basically makes ingredient mons match berry specialist output while still getting all of their ingredient finder perks

It like perfectly rounds them out

[celest lava]

My best soon to be butterfree

all I need is level 25 and I'll be triggering the main skill hopefully

[ripe shuttle]

This is true yes but a bit reductive cause it doesn't say the whole story.

Yah berry finder is probably best skill in the game for ingredient specialists but it's probably also like best skill in game on berry specialists too. It's still a massive boost in productivity just getting an extra berry on anyone makes then that much better regardless of their base.

[grand gust]

That’s true!

The odds for berry finder is definitely low tho, I caught like 60 now and got only 3

[ripe shuttle]

Skill trigger and main skill chance up metapod line is pog. Rest of the kit is also perfect. It gets an S from me Dawg. Only flaw is I wish it started as caterpie so it could get the capacity increase from evolving but like that's minor. It has one of the perfect setups on butterfree and a global skill to boot (could be better global ig but meh we probably care about the energy come level 50)

[celest lava]

I think there is a correlation that if you keep catching the same mons you get better stats

it's my 3rd metapod that caught

[obsidian vortex]

maybe correlation between lvl of friendship and the rarity of skills

we'll see later if a friendship 10 allows us to get full gold Mons lol

[ripe shuttle]

Who knows. We know 0 about friendship level atm

[celest lava]

Also I don't think that the team bonus speed bonus shows. Maybe it's like the good camp set as the number doesn't seem to go down for my other sleeping helpers

[ripe shuttle]

My theory is base level and then idk from there

[celest lava]

I'm aiming to be the most effecient sleeper. Hahaha

[ripe shuttle]

Really nice gengar (actually looks almost exactly like mine lmao)

Ehhh bit different you have better nature I got a second global and need slightly less seeds. I just saw level 10 helping bonus and immediately compared xD

[obsidian vortex]

btw I saw a comment about maxing the lvl of main skill

is it lvl 3 max for now ?

[ripe shuttle]

Max I believe is 6

[obsidian vortex]

ok

[celest lava]

Jolteon or Vaporeon?

[ripe shuttle]

Evolving levels it up and main skill seeds level it up

Idk if subskills that level up your main skill break the cap. I think not, but I hope they do. No data though

[celest lava]

kinda bad but I'm tempted for sylvion just because of level 25 subskill

[ripe shuttle]

Depends on if you need an ingredient magnet or want jolteons ability to increase your pot size. I think there are better ingredient magnet mons though so I'd lean jolt. If you don't have any good ingredient mons though then meh either or.

Eevee has a really solid skill set and nature this is S tier. I'd just slam jolt and forget about it

Sooooo I love sylveon, we have no idea how good it actually is. Energy to all is either really good or really whatever and we don't know impact of energy gain.

I think this would be a good sylveon, but I can't confidently tell you to make it sylveon over one of the other eeveelutions (namely flareon and jolteon)

[celest lava]

I think I'll stick with butterfrees for now since its only candies that's blocking me to get a few of them

[ripe shuttle]

I think it has potential though as a sylv 100% and if energy gain is nice it's a top tier potential sylveon

[celest lava]

I think I know how to manipulate the game to give me either eevees or caterpies alternating every other day so I'm just collecting them for now

[ripe shuttle]

I would just do that actually even though unown cause the ingredient down is slightly scuffed on flareon and jolt but not a big deal on sylv so I'd rather have a more optimal sylv than a mostly optimal slightly scuffed flareon or jolteon even though those two are broken

[celest lava]

this is literally my secondary account. I thought I could farm berries much faster earlier on by getting a bunch of pikachus since it's technically the second fastest second stage evo with a decent overall kit but I've lean towards butterfree with a few ingredients mon that fits snorlax's fav dish

[obsidian vortex]

that's some cool names there

[celest lava]

to distinguish copies much easier

[obsidian vortex]

yeah I know, everyone's organisation is different

[celest lava]

it's their level 10 sub skill and positive nature

[ripe shuttle]

Butterfree is like top tier mon and imo one of the best berry specialists there are since it has high frequency and active snags you ingredients to boot. Imo 5 butterfree is goated strat especially if they all evolved from caterpie since you spam get their candies and they flood you in both berries and ingredients

Or maybe 4 butterfree and something who knows

[celest lava]

I'm still trying to find the best caterpie but might evolve a metapod

[ripe shuttle]

I think settling for a metapod if it has a goated subskill list still fine imo

[tepid furnace]

Hello hello, just started recently so any thoughts on my mons would be greatly appreciated 🙏 What makes them good or anything I should be looking out for in the future. Thanks in advance

[ripe shuttle]

I will be passing out for a nap for a few hours. If nobody gets to this by then I will, if I disagree with what other people say I will respond, or if I want to do it just for fun after waking up

Only note I will say before nap is a lot of level 10 global skills across your mons so worse case you should get those all up to 10 in order to power spike while you farm for high rolls. I'll rate them layer. Gn

[obsidian vortex]

I'll do

[tepid furnace]

ty!! Enjoy ur nap 🫡

[obsidian vortex]

have a good nap Red

Pika : rly great lvl 10 sub skills but bad nature so if you have nothing else get him to lvl 10, use him to boost the others and toss him later when you find a better pichu

Bulba : amazing nature, great sub skills, you can invest on him and evolve him (Should be A+ or S with Red ratings)

Cynda : great nature, subskills are great but it'll need a lot of seeds so I'll rate as A

Mareep : as a skill specialist with that nature and no skills to boost main skill you can forget about him

Togepi : same than Mareep, go next

Squirtle: rly great sub skills, the order is meh but for long term it's amazing, no nature but at least you don't have downsides, I would definitely invest in him (rate S)

Magnemite : you should know now, skill poke with that nature unless it has god sub skills to save it->

@tepid furnace

[fallow lantern]

Thank you so much for your reply! I don't know I got them 😅 I have some more which I considered trash... but maybe I'll post some of them later for judging. Thank you again... you streghtened my confidence in my mons

[tepid furnace]

Yooo, Thanks a lot, really appeciate it Sorry if it was a lot to analyse btw

But i think from ur explaination i understand a lot more of what to look out for for certain mons aswell

[obsidian vortex]

we do it with pleasure so don't worry about it !

an other thing you'll need to now, it's better to capture a tier 1 Pokémon like Pichu and evolve him than capturing a Pikachu
because evolution = leveling main skill by 1 lvl + getting more places to carry berries/ingredients

[tepid furnace]

ooohhh

okok

yh that was my starter pikachu so i'll get him to level 10 before lookin at pichus

[obsidian vortex]

exactly

[tepid furnace]

ive been getting slumbering sleep a lot recently so should be easy

just have to pray for good nature and sub skills

[obsidian vortex]

I hope you the best

[tepid furnace]

tyty

and thanks again for ur help

u guys who help analyse are saints 👏

[obsidian vortex]

btw if you're new, after your sleep the picture you chose will decide what candy your friends get from your report

if you ever add me make sure to spam the pichus

[tepid furnace]

well i do have one slot left on my friends list 👀

the first thing i did when i joined was spam add other people

[obsidian vortex]

@tepid furnace I accepted your friend request x) seems I was on your spam list

if you ever need some candies lmk I'll make sure to pick them when I can

[tepid furnace]

appreciate it 🤝 same to u if u ever swap from the pichu line

[obsidian vortex]

Well that'll take time, got a godly pichu that needs a loooot of candies to get to raichu stage

[tepid furnace]

oml

aight say less

pichu only pictures

i need to see that when it evolves into a raichu

[ocean hull]

Triple berry busta

[obsidian vortex]

and sadly I spend all my sleep points for a useless master ball

[grand gust]

It will come in handy eventually!

[mossy beacon]

Nature seems quite rough, still decent though cuz of the sub skills?

I guess I probably want to find a pichu instead to invest in though

[crimson gate]

Help me build 2 teams

Please

[celest lava]

Nah I think this Pikachu starter is busted gives snorlax about 2k+ after I wake up for about 8+ hours of sleep. Once it reaches level 25 it'll be a good team support

[crimson gate]

Please

[celest lava]

Energy recovery boosts the level 25 subskill hopefully and since less likely chance to gather ingredients and focus on berries

[crimson gate]

?

[celest lava]

What's this week's fav dish?

Gather as many ingredients for Sunday double pot limit

[crimson gate]

Wdym fav dish?

[celest lava]

When you click to make snorlax a dish

[crimson gate]

yes?

[celest lava]

What is his favourite to eat

[crimson gate]

Idk?????

how do I know that

[crimson gate]

uhhhh

remind me to check tommorrow

I think stews

[celest lava]

You still have 12 hours to gather as much

[crimson gate]

and curries

So set up a team when I sleep with honey and whats the strongest igridient numbers wise

for honey curry

[celest lava]

I'm thinking of bulbasuar, gastly both totodile and caterpie to gather a much berries while still gaining from snorlax fav berries

put as much fiery herbs on 7 honey

if you only have 15 pot size it'll double to 30 starting after 4 am sunday

hopefully bulbasuar or caterpie will activate thier main skill to give you more ingredients

do you have enough for Sunday 3x 30(minimum) dish limit

technically you can do 4 times if you wake up between 4-6 am and didn't use your 6pm-6am meal time yet

[celest lava]

?

[obsidian vortex]

well it depends what your Mons looks like

can you share them like it's in pin comment ?

[willow vessel]

Ive been rerolling for a second account on my old phone and just hit this as starter pikachu.
Idk if i should keep rerolling as ill stay F2P on that accountor not.

[obsidian vortex]

@willow vessel keep that pikachu and put him lvl 10
then you'll search a better pichu but for early it'll do the work

[obsidian vortex]

so true, berry finding is broken with berry specialist

[mossy beacon]

Are these skills any good? Idk how useful dream shards actually are and 25 is a long ways away. Maybe I should just wait for pichu?

[obsidian vortex]

@mossy beacon well dream shards isn't a problem for now cause we're early so things doesn't cost much and we have a lot of items/rewards to get some but later (after 35 sleep styles and the pot upgrades) and lvling Mon it'll be rly necessary to have mons with that kind of sub skills

25 isn't so far away, we have mons who are 12 after 2 weeks
when I see lvl 75, that's far away

[mossy beacon]

True, is the bonus worth it enough for me to push this to 10? Or should I just save for pichu?

[obsidian vortex]

totally worth it, you'll get plenty of pikachu/pichu berries from friends or research

should be around 60 candies to push to lvl 10

and even if it XP alone, the bonus lvl 25 is also rly nice

[ripe shuttle]

So I will agree with erayto across the board but I will mention

That togepi is a bit better than it appears but it got dismissed. So togepi line is kinda meh for its skill but you got one with a LOT of ingredient perks and eggs are kinda rareish. I'd probably note it in like A- cause it's super consistent just unorthodox ans missing out on metronome skill chance a little isn't that back breaking since it's really just a random skill.

I think the squirtle is a bit overrated, yes berry finder got tier BUT that's level 100 for that. It's still a good sublist though for the most part I would rate it like A+ since it's good short term but nature hurtsbeing neutral and the skill order is just slightly funky. It's like a very solid S when you eventually fully unlock everything though haha

Magnemite is yah kinda meh/filler like they said but I don't want that to dissuade you from using it. You can still yet magnemite candy for down the road and magnemite skill is still amazing. IF you think you get enough ingredients to use the occasional pot increase def use them still

[ripe shuttle]

Pika skill chance is really kinda whatever imo. Kit is top notch outside of that and berry finder is disgusting way down the line. You just use it as a passive global support and at level 50 and 75 if will start raking in ludicrous value. Even the level 100 capstone is strong. You sold it a bit short the pika is S tier

[ripe shuttle]

Bad nature and slightly funky learn order but lmao berry finder so yah S tier. I think I could semantics S- energy recovery is on the not as crazy end of global passive and skill trigger is meh at.... level 75 and the nature could be better but I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth cause level 10 berry finder is the nuts

[celest lava]

nah I think it's nature sync well with this specific build as you have less chance of gathering ingredients and focusing on berries and you gain extra recovery if you get 100 sleep score it'd be a additional 12 for your whole team

[ripe shuttle]

So I'd you're rerolling this is one of two of the best pikachus you can get. You either want

Level 10 global help speed(which this is)

Level 10 berry finder

Or a good level 10 skill/nature and you find one of the above ^ at level 25. You could keep rolling for better nature and to find berry finder instead but this is solid I would give it like an A+ or S- ish rating

[ripe shuttle]

Does the global energy passive work off how much PIKACHU recovers? Or is affected by nature? Like confirmed?

[manic sedge]

Hows this one? I got it today

[ripe shuttle]

Pikachu still really likes to find ingredients even though it's not it's specialty so down ingredients is not ideal

If there's perks to the energy I don't know about sicko mode but yah

[celest lava]

I'll let you know when I level 10 this guy

[ripe shuttle]

Neutral nature eh, early skill trigger awesome. Inventory is nice but not exciting but double ingredient finder and help speed late is nice. I wish inventory up swapped order with any of those other skills and the nature could be something positive but this is solid still so I'll give it like an A. Efficient mon just held back by learn order slightly and could have better nature but kit good

[celest lava]

potential victreebel

[tepid furnace]

I see Thanks a lot for your input aswell, all help is appreciated

[ripe shuttle]

I wish we got more concrete info on energy

[celest lava]

there's definitely a correlation between friendship level (how many times you've caught the pokemon) to it's stats

[manic sedge]

well thats still good i think, tyvm!

[celest lava]

this was was my 3rd bellsprout as well

[ripe shuttle]

I fixed up my typo lmao

[mossy beacon]

Ah I saw people saying the dream exp isn’t that useful as it’s only for us leveling up, and I didn’t think the dream shards were that important, good to know I have a great Pokémon though, thanks!

[celest lava]

nah dream xp is S stier as its basically a free upgrade every 2 days because of free candy and shards for your whole team so technically that's 5 candies and scaling worth of shards being saved

[ripe shuttle]

Dream shards upgrade the cooking pot as well and that looks to be really expensive long term so don't view dream shard farming as something whatever! Even outside of that say you play this game for 3 months and you finally catch a god rattata but it's level 2 and you have 600 rattata candies.... you'll be thankful for all the shards

or larvitar or whatever mon you want to put there

[mossy beacon]

True haha

[fallen orchid]

Is my squirtle worth investing in?

It seems like he’d just be a cocao magnet only, and idk if that’s worth it?

[ripe shuttle]

Milk and cacao are both great.
Nature is basically do nothing but not bad.
Inventory up probably won't matter short term but will be okay long term.
Probably one of the worse global skills BUT it is a global skill.
3 lategame skills are good.

I'd just put it down at like B-. It's a bit slow to start and there are more optimal squirtle out there too by an okay amount, the skill learn order is doing no favors. Its kinda just filler but with a global skill tacked onto level 25 if you don't find a better squirtle by then. I'd still run this for the milk depending on the week

It's definitely not bad it's just not worth an A or S at all for sure it's not optimized either

[nimble monolith]

This is who I got today

[ripe shuttle]

So very weird charmander but it's goated. It will be a bit filler till you hit level 25 but once you do you will be thankful for that inventory up L. berry finding is currently the best skill in the game. kinda sucks that the nature is ingredient down for an ingredient specialist but yo can kinda treat it as a berry specialist once you unlock berry finding and it will still gather a decent enough amount of ingredients compared to most berry specialists. The lategame skills are all pretty awesomr as well and the ingredient finder after you upgrade it with a sub skill seed should offset the nature and even put it in the positive. I'm giving this a tentative S i think. Despite the subpar nature you still nearly have one of the best subskill kits available (second inventory up could be something else). If we get access to mints that change nature down the road and you fix it, this becomes an S+ tier mon. Hell getting help speed up on the nature is still amazing so imo it is almost more like a net neutral nature atm. Berry finder is so rare so you are very happy to have found this especially on charmander. Goated pokemon.

[ripe shuttle]

Ingredient finding down nature sad, exp up is whatever. Really good skill list in double ingredient finder and help speed up. I think it's kinda filler though overall. Even if it had bis nature I'd probably rank it A or A+ and it doesn't. I think this sits around B. Better than filler but not not anything crazy

[nimble monolith]

I missed out on pichu because it became full with one point left
I'll grab it if it shows up

[grand gust]

Found some more berry finding mons… any good? Two neutral natures so I’m a bit hesitant

[celest lava]

def swablu

level 10 is enough to give you 100+ per single drop

and that's not being a favourite

[near fossil]

Magnemite and its line are regarded so well due to their main skill. Having Skill Trigger at level 10 is fantasic (you might wanna consider using a seed, I think it guarantees the skill trigger will become M). Even with a neutral nature, think its really good, especially due to later getting Berry Finding. Id say its an S for me.
Swablu is also fantastic as a berry mon with that berry finding S at level 10. - EXP gains is one of my fave down nature properties since at level 100 exp wont matter (though itll take a while to get there). It looks to taper off after level 10 though. Ingredient finder S isnt bad, but its better skills are in its later levels so Id say A+. Still very solid
Wartortle is S for me, for the similar reasons above

[ripe shuttle]

Magnemite could have a better nature but I'll take berry finder meh nature over bis nature no berry finder any day. S TIER. You got like the perfect skill set too in double skill trigger help speed and ingredient finder. First two spikes are also in a good enough order. Really only missing that nature for like an S+. Basically perfect.

Idk what else to say that I didn't say about magnemite. Basically S tier with that level 10 berry finding and the nature is neutral. It could have a slightly better skillet that doesn't have skill trigger at level 100 but that's a very small ask. Otherwise very very solid. Misses S+ for same reasons as well in neutral nature instead of perfect nature.

S tier wartortle same reasons above. If I had to order them best to worst I'd do magnemite,swablue, then wartortle but whatever. I am slightly sad it's a wartortle and not squirtle since you miss out on some Evo bonuses but it will be much stronger short term right now its very good. Really strong bunch of mons altogether

I didn't realize it was wartortle not squirtle. Doesn't change rating really but yah

[marble drum]

the neutral nature magnemite doesn't have the level 10 berry finding tho, that's the other one

not sure if this changes anything in your overall comment

[ripe shuttle]

I know. Did I say something different? My bad if i did. It doesn't change the rating I knew the berry finder was at 50. It still has good short-term skills till 50. Skill trigger is best in slot and helping speed M is one of the much better generic skills. It flows smoothly into spiking really hard at 50.

Only question is if we can get that skill trigger S to skill trigger M or not (dunno if we can have two of the same skill at the same level through seeds) but it barely changes my rating if not and makes this even better if it works thay way.

[silver harbor]

I always get the bad end of nature, but want to know how good it still is, if only there's a way to change the nature

[ripe shuttle]

Yes yes berry finder and also yes about bad end of nature haha. Berry finder at level 10 is absolutely awesome, level 25 is a little whatever but not bad. We like skill trigger at 50 and 100 and ingredient finder at 75. You never drop this guy cause the berry finder is goated. I think it could have better other skills and nature though so I'll probably put thus at A+. Better than like 90% of the non berry finder lucarios but it could have been better.

If we get mints at some point this will be an easy S or S+ after mints for long term play

@silver harbor

[silver harbor]

Hope we do get them, but kinda unlikely imo

[grave dragon]

which one should I use my slowpoke candies on? @ripe shuttle

I feel like level 2 slowpoke is quite decent

[ripe shuttle]

I can't see the natures completely, what is the down part for the natures?

[grave dragon]

@ripe shuttle sorry I didn’t drag down enough

[ripe shuttle]

ty.

Wow they all have two sets of slowpoke tails to harvest lategame wow.

I'm biased towards berry finding especially on pokemon like slowbro who have low ingredient and berry farming at base. He even will get inventory ups and helping speed as you go! Skill level up capstone at 100 is kinda whatever though and anti synergy with the nature.

I think he is better than the other twos by a bit. You really want ingredient finder for slowbros and none of them have it (before level 75 lmao). That said you can just treat the berry finder one as a berry specialist for oran berries and the tails as just a bonus and he should go really far once he reaches level 10. The inventory boosts sorta can help for getting more tails on big sleep too.

The one with no nature is worse.

There is a CHANCE you want the ingredient finding nature slowpoke instead depending on how impactful ingredient finder nature is but it's hard to judge. I think berry finder is better though. For a slowpoke ideally you would want ingredient finding nature, ingredient finder M, maybe ingredient finder S as well for subskills, then of course berry finder and some help speed up. (maybe an inventory boost for 1 slot but def not two to cap it off)

Berry finding one I'ld put at S- I wish it gathered more ingredients but I like the long term prospects a lot a lot.

[grave dragon]

thanks! Yea I too like the berry finding slowpoke, gonna work on him then

Also will need his tail for cooking in the future

[ripe shuttle]

[storm rain]

thoughts?

[grand gust]

Thanks mate! Sorry for getting back late, was at a concert

[grand gust]

Wow thanks! So basically most mons with berry finder could be rated really high, with the right other subskills and such

[ripe shuttle]

Alright last one before I pass out.
Ingredient finder M is awesome sauce, good global at 25. Great short term. Skills going up are pretty decent long term too. The nature is okay but not ideal. I like the positive ingredient finder though a lot. I'm gonna throw this in A+. I think skill chance down nature isn't lovely and although it's a ways away, skill level up is whatever imo at the level 100. Depends really on if skill level goes over the cap we can get with seeds or not. It could maybe be S- but I feel more comfortable putting it in A+ though. Don't get me wrong, this thing will be an ingredient monster 100% and you should invest and use it till at least 25. Could maybe even stay longer term tbh.

[silver harbor]

Another poor nature pokemon, thoughts?

[ripe shuttle]

I guess not last one since morph just caught me XD

[silver harbor]

Haha go sleep man @ripe shuttle

It's okay

[ripe shuttle]

Berry finder is berry finder. Down nature is not ideal BUT i actually don't think it's that bad even if the plus energy is whatever. I think berry finder on growlithe is goated cause it can sometimes extra helpful itself and suddenly.... WOW it's not a dead roll to hit itself! You could actually make it to where extra helpful always hits something really good. Other skills really good too. Kinda wish it had a skill trigger but honestly the only spot I would put that in is the global at 50 and more globals never bad. S or S- tier growlithe. Would be S+ with the right nature

Berry finding that good and ingredient finder at 25 really nice. It will need subskill seed.

[silver harbor]

Thanks man, wishing u a good sleep and a shiny when u wake up

[ripe shuttle]

okay now nighty

[dusk jolt]

Can’t decide which is better skills are very similar one is pichu one is pikachu

[near fossil]

Such a good problem to have, they both look awesome to me
If you had to absolutely pick one, id go with the pikachu since it looks like its gonna be a main skill machine and you get 2 awesome complimentary skills (and the nature) for level 10 and 25.

[dusk jolt]

The only reason I would have chosen the pichu is for the extra 5 carry space and main skill level +1 off the evo

Thanks btw ❤️

[turbid pivot]

This seems bad lol

[obsidian vortex]

@turbid pivot well it all inventorystacks it'll make it carry alot but the prb is that it won't produce it fast enough so kinda meh
Also no nature

Usable but definitively not great, it lacks some berry finding or help speed up

I wouls give C cause of berry type + egg

[obsidian vortex]

@still thunder so a lot of helping speed coming in handy, late but nice
main skill chance is a bit sad but as it's a ingredients related Pokémon sub skills make up for it by boosting help/ingredients finding and place to carry them
would give an A

[still thunder]

thank you 😊

[ocean hull]

I concur. The sub skills are good but you'd rather have the reverse order, late helping speed is annoying. You can actually live with that nature, the main skill kinda sucks

Actually I'd say more of an A+

I do think it's just about a must-build

[marble drum]

would greatly appreciate a lil look on these guys!

[celest lava]

Just bulbasaur is decent at level 10

[still thunder]

thanks for your answer 😄

[celest lava]

I don't normally level up mons as you get better copies because of friendship level rising if you've friended a couple of the same species

Only level up if they have a use case to your team in in the short term aka blue or gold level 10 subskill

That benefits the overall kit of that pokemon

Faster ingredients speed for bulbasaur is good as more honey for you if you've managed to evolve at level 12 then it'll have around 47 mins frequency

[ripe shuttle]

yah this is kinda filler

[ripe shuttle]

I'm not a huge fan of skill up pikachu BUT you have the full package for it to work so I think i'll give it an A+. You have essentially best in slot for the kit down to a T (maybe berry finder?) with skills that round out gathering late in the game and it's a very efficient mon. I think a pikachu based on gather speed will perform better overall but like this might outperform it on weeks where grepa isn't favored berry but this is still better than other mons you own.

I like the pikachu nature a lot more but still kinda gets that stinky skill up. Otherwise it's basically exactly the same as the first one but worse skill levels (needs more sub skill seeds long term) and trades out skill trigger for exp global. I'm gonna give it like an A-. I know I prefer this ones nature for sure, but it doesn't really abuse it in any way. First pikachu is a much more complete package and works well with its own kit while this pichu is more just generically fine but best in slot nature.

[desert gorge]

I got these two today!

[marble drum]

they've only been leveled through sleep!
thanks for your answer, i kinda assumed they weren't great, just wanted to double check lmao

[ripe shuttle]

Alright slowpoke hit a TAIL and has ingredient finder. Very nice. Skill trigger whatever, skill level up whatever, and kinda blegh nature though. I'll give it like a B+ on my scale since you hit two important things in the ingredient finder and tail which is steller but it lacks much of a supporting kit with a bunch of whatever subskills and nature really hits it a little hard.

Woot skill chance up mareep! Help speed tier 1 offsets the nature which is sweet. Needs a subskill seed though. We then get our skill trigger which is fire followed by another skill trigger which is more fire. Skill level up to round us off and then global energy when we reach theoretical endgame is probably good or at least fine. I really like this. I am going to give this an A+or an S- i'm on the edge between those. there is better natures but I think the kit itself is about as optimal as it can get outside of berry finder. If it turns out that we can upgrade that skill trigger S into a skill trigger M, then my rating goes up to a hard S tier. It still is lacking bis nature and berry finder for a true S+ though.

[desert gorge]

Awesome, thank you!

[tepid yew]

I think it's better to just assign a value to each sub-skill, and calculate the total

Above certain value = S,A,B, Below certain value DEF

[celest lava]

So I did some testing since I've unlocked the level 10 sub skill of this bellsprout and I have 5% of sleep points needed to complete my day and the 1.12 multiplier does work BUT I'm not sure how the NATURES work with this buff since my bulbasuar has a negative energy recovery and still went from 90 to 96

this was my 5% sleep

[ripe shuttle]

You can't really do this easily.

Ampharos NEEDS skill trigger.

Who cares about skill trigger on tyranitar it's basically a dead slot.

[celest lava]

I swear the natures are a hit and miss

I don't think a few works properly

[obsidian vortex]

yeah each Pokémon would need a different scale based on what he needs

[ripe shuttle]

And if we tried to make each pokemon in the game have their own seperate point system since they like different skills:

1. that is a butt load of work doing that for every mon.
2. there will still be inconsistencies. While I wouldn't rate skill trigger high on pikachu at all, it gets more value if your pikachu also say rolled a main skill chance up nature since once you start stacking the odds it becomes a better package even if it's not what I would consider ideal. i would rate a PERFECT skill synergy pikachu A+ and a perfect berry/ingredient pikachu in S+ tier. A skill trigger is so much more of a slightly dead slot on a perfect berrychu as a dead slot while it's neccesary for skillchu to function.

etc. etc. etc.

[ripe shuttle]

We just like don't know ANYTHING about energy which i kinda hate. Wish I could give clarity but I can't really. We just know it's not a big deal if you dump it in your nature cause you gather at the same speed until you hit actual 0% energy. We don't know if higher means you trigger skills more or whatever.

[violet valve]

This is any good, right?

[ripe shuttle]

I can't see what pokemon it is haha.

is it iggly, jiggly, wiggly, or.... sylveon?

[obsidian vortex]

@violet valve

[violet valve]

Jiggly

Sorry for being late

[ripe shuttle]

np np

[ripe shuttle]

So berry finder is the nuts. If you collect consistently throughout the day berry finder is SO good at getting you value since it basically means the pokemon is working like a berry specialist. especially handy when it comes to mons like iggly that usually have an oppurtunity cost of replacing a berry specialist. The nature is one of the bis natures, ingredient up for energy down is a high roll. Skill trigger is fine just hard to evaluate wiggly skill. I really really like this double inventory up and help speed M though for late levels. You are gathering tons of berries (and a slight splash of extra ingredients too) so the storage space actually kinda goated. I'm gonna tentatively give this like an S tier wiggly. I think if it started and igglybuff I'd give it S+ tier since you can reap two evolution bonuses (they increase max capacity) but this is basically going to be just as effective regardless I really like this jigglypuff.

[ancient minnow]

Any suggestions which ones will be good? Mainly screenshotted ones I think are decent

[tepid yew]

That's why sub-skill value > main skill

Inventory is bad for berry type pokemon

so like a value of -2 for berry type pokemon

[shy pawn]

This slakoth is just a mess right? Not much reason to invest vs just finding a better pokemon for whatever job Edit: ah yea i just saw the pinned about help speed down being too rough, feel free to skip it

[tepid yew]

help speed is a +2 for berry type pokemon so +2, like a auto rating system

[obsidian vortex]

why is that bad?

[tepid yew]

so if we agree on and work out a system. we can easily identify what is a good pokemon to keep

[obsidian vortex]

inventory makes you keep more berries, after you are full capacity it gives the berry to snorlax without worrying about favorites so you lose power (if it's not a mon with fav berries then np)

[obsidian vortex]

yeah when you have berries / ingredients and skills that relies on it, having a nature that reduce it is bad

[tepid yew]

Berries are fed to snorlax if full

[obsidian vortex]

with raw power

like lvl 10 Chesto gives 41 raw power and 82 if fav
and for extra it'll take the raw power sadly it seems

[tepid yew]

but if you keep the game open except when you sleep, inventory value goes down

[obsidian vortex]

true if you play toy often

but not anyone plays like that so we can't make it a reliable viable

red is cooking 🧑‍🍳

[tepid yew]

but ingredient up on berry type sure is bad right

[ripe shuttle]

Skill level up is whatever but rest of kit is really good and bis nature. A+ gastly. Misses out on S since the skill level up being level 10 instead of something like help speed or ingredient finder being there instead. The skill level up is NOT BAD though and like we are super content with this. Good gastly

I think this is probably a good chikorita so I am going with A. Ingredient finder down nature is something that I am currently wrapping my head around with new data we are finding and it might end up not actually being an issue for berry mons for.... reasons. If that is the case this might be an A+ chiko. It definitely is a cut above B and C tier that's a damn sure. I'd be happy with this.

Not a bad houndour at all I'm also gonna give him an A+. I've been learning to respect inventory up more recently especially for mons with lowerish caps like houndoom line. Skill chance houndour eh BUT you have consistency in the kit for it so it works kinda okay for sure and it's a good boi.

Dunno how I feel about this growlithe so I want to give it a ?. If push came to shove though I'll give it A-. Skill chance up awesome, ingredient down is a ?, but lack of skill trigger in early levels sucks. He gets it eventually though and then you're swimming in value probably. Double ingredient finder kinda fights with the whole ingredient down thing but they in a way help overcome it so not so bad. Just slightly inconsistent kit but you have skill chance up and skill trigger M so we take it.

B tier pichu. Kinda filler. You get the stuff for skill trigger pichu but lack the nature that helps it. It's not bad and better than filler but only by some.

squirtle is a question mark for me. I was going to place it in C filler tier but the berry finder caught my eye. It's so late in the game though that i'm sure you would find a better squirtle. I'd put this in S- tier for a theoretically maxed out version of this pokemon in my head at level 100 with everything maxed out, but also like you are slogging through 75-100 levels to realize that and it will be filler the entire way. I guess C+ final ranking to me.

Pikachu has best in slot nature. Awkward skill progression though. Kit is pretty good on the whole so I'll give it an A-

[ancient minnow]

thanks, ya - squirtle will be a filler and same with Pichu till i find some better pokemons to fill in the spots.
How are people rating energy skills at the moment? Are they good or its better to focus on other ones

[ripe shuttle]

They're considered kinda dookie

We don't know long term effects of energy skills however and wigglytuff line is probably the best (followed by sylveon)

[violet valve]

Got it, thx

But she has preferrence in skills theres a problem with that?

[ripe shuttle]

If energy ends up being good long term you want wiggly line or sylveon.

[violet valve]

This is what i mean

[ripe shuttle]

not that I know of. You have skill trigger in your subskills which you want and the nature is good. It's better than having a neutral nature.

ye I know. Skill specialty. You'll be fine. You have the skill trigger subskill you want.

Berry finder is really good because it lets you output berries as efficiently as berry specialty mons. It's not a drawback at all just upside

You just gather 2 berries instead of 1. it doesn't hurt your skill trigger set at all. It just makes the pokemon really good outside of skill trigger

[violet valve]

Got it, ill switch for my sudowodoo then

[ripe shuttle]

What

I am confused haha

[obsidian vortex]

if you don't have a big inventory on your Mon then it'll take some berries spots while helping and if your full capacity it'll just destroy it so it's kinda meh, not bad because you have a mon who does berry + ingredients
good at everything is being a master of none

[violet valve]

My lame sudowodoo

[obsidian vortex]

for now i'm keeping my metapod who has it to compare

[ripe shuttle]

Ingredient up is nice if your pokemon has a lot of capacity

[violet valve]

I will switch them off lol

[ripe shuttle]

I know raichu line can get up to like 31 capacity before it even gets inventory up if it starts as pichu

Which is absurd

[obsidian vortex]

@violet valve not related but I love your pp

[ripe shuttle]

I need to see if 2nd to 3rd stages follow the trend of +5 capacity

That first to second stage gets

[violet valve]

Ty

[obsidian vortex]

btw for pichu sleep hours makes no sense between evolution requirements and hours slept with ...

[violet valve]

This is my team for now. Lol

[violet valve]

Ill work on This bulba and Eevee as you guys said. Send Sudowodoo to death, and waiting for a replace for this Squirtle.

[obsidian vortex]

like how tf is there 11hr diff

[obsidian vortex]

beautiful team

[ripe shuttle]

idk why but sleeping time shared isn't accurate. If you click to evolve though it will show the real time you've spent in sleep mode with pichu

[obsidian vortex]

ok nice

and does it count 8,5 HR max/day or can I cheat but sleeping more ?

kinda wants to evolve him asap

[ripe shuttle]

I don't know for that sadly

It probably counts extra sleep time but idk

[tepid furnace]

mid spheal?

[tepid yew]

bad nature

[obsidian vortex]

yeah bad nature for main skill + duo skills subskills is weird, you get helping speed only 75 so really late
I wouldn't use it unless you have no other Mon and it's snorlax fav berries
don't invest into imo

[tepid yew]

so what is frequency? time to hit full capacity?

[obsidian vortex]

it's for each times the Mon help

[tepid yew]

and how to calculate helping speed

[obsidian vortex]

which helping speed ?

about sub skills : S =7% / M= 14%

[tepid yew]

75

[obsidian vortex]

it wills reduce the timer of frequency of this Mon

if you get helping bonus it'll reduce by 5% the frequency of every Mon of your team

it is understandable?

[tepid yew]

no

lower help speed better

[celest lava]

is it a hidden multiplier since its a team buff because I can't see it being applied on my team

even on the user itself

[obsidian vortex]

if a Mon help more that'll mean if helps more often so the frequency between each help will be lower

[celest lava]

On serebii haunter's base frequency is 50 mins and his positive nature of speed of help reduces it to 45 mins since it's a 10% reduction not 20% as it states on serebii. So basically it's either working in the background like the good camp set or not working at all

If it show then it should have been 42 mins minus the level boost you get

[obsidian vortex]

@celest lava true I removed my Pokémon with helping bonus, the frequency of my pichu didn't changed so maybe it works in background ... if it works

[ornate jolt]

What do you guys rate my shiny bulba

[tepid yew]

so what is frequency?

what is help, the skill proc or the berry

[left walrus]

Just got this guy. Is he good?

[celest lava]

that's literally a level 4 main skill once you've evolved it to venusaur

a bit slow to gather but it's only 10% and it'll be about 49 minutes when it's level 25

[tepid furnace]

unfortunate but we move 😔 ty for the insight

[sacred bough]

This slowpoke worth evolving into Slowking or should I save my mats?

[tepid yew]

This is a hit

So frequency = time for it to max out capacity, lower frequency better, higher inventory better depending how often you collect

frequency go ↑ （longer frequency）= energy ↓ inventory value ↓
energy ↓ = frequency go ↑ inventory value ↓
frequency go ↓ = inventory value↑

[fallow lantern]

Hi everyone, is this Bulbasaur worth investing in?

[tepid yew]

Pretty Good

[ripe shuttle]

At a glance I like him but I didn't look too hard. I'll give it a proper review after my nap. Sleeeeeeepy

[ornate jolt]

Thank you! Have a good nap

[rough meadow]

Thoughts on this bulbasaur? Feels usable but not insane.

[grand gust]

would have been perfect if the nature is reversed…

[grand gust]

Great nature! Though not seeing a crazy subskill set, maybe b+~a according to red’s rating? Let’s see what he says later

[storm citrus]

Looking for some opinions on this bulba

[rough meadow]

I'm not an expert, but I think this will be really good long term with full skill seed investment, just in terms of synergy? It'd take longer to get there compared to something with higher rolls, though, so idk how that trade-off is valued.

Like B+ or A- I think, but definitely get feedback from someone who knows the math better than me

[obsidian vortex]

So : the subskills are rly interesting but all S (except last one at 100 who's far away) you have 2 for main skill, 2 for ingredients and 1 for help, it'll need a few seeds to be optimal
no nature so I would give an A+ / S- if you plan to use seeds
If not it's B+ / A- cause it'll take a long time to be rly great and you will have better mons to use seeds on

[rough meadow]

This thing is very strong, although I think maybe people are giving out S ranks too easily? It's only x1 berry, x4 ingredient (at max), and the skill is very good, but the nature is focused on help speed, and its help cycle isn't perfect

I wouldn't call this an S but def an A+

[obsidian vortex]

great Mon but already captured evolved so you lose a bit of power (less capacity, less lvl on your main skill) , I'll say A / A+ (lack of skill trigger to fully make use of skill lvl up

[ocean hull]

As good as the skills are, it's unfortunately shafted by not having Slowpoke Tail as a drop, which is the only thing that makes the evo line worth using. It's worth getting lv10 for Helping Bonus but definitely not beyond that

[ocean hull]

It's not bad. Worth keeping, but try for one with an optimal nature

[ocean hull]

Basically the gist of it. Great nature, sub skills are nice but research xp is mid

Rating-wise it's a comfortable A. With enough sub skill seeds it can be pretty great

[obsidian vortex]

what I think is, as research XP cap the Max lvl of our pokémons, will we gain enough of it so we don't need those boosts or will it come in handy, so hard to tell

[ocean hull]

It's very average. A lot of low level sub skills, I don't think it's worth the investment when you're stuck with a neutral nature. I'll rate it a B-

[ocean hull]

Ideal nature, great set of sub skills, already got main skill levels going so you prolly don't need telling it's worth a build. Agree with Morph's S rating

Only gripe is seemingly not coming as a Mareep, so you miss out on one set of evolution bonuses

[dusk jolt]

Here’s a weird ghastly

[ocean hull]

Oof that's a deceptively bad one. Terrible nature, sub skills that are either skill boosting which you don't want for a Gastly, or too high level to justify using. I think this is the first D I've given

[obsidian vortex]

that's a ghastly on mushrooms

[sacred bough]

Damn alright thanks for the help 🫡

[grand gust]

Any room for saving for him?

[rough meadow]

Timid Nature and x2 ingredient finds max are both really rough

but Berry finding is very good

But the first subskill is good and the second is great

It's a very mixed bag

I'd call it B

[grand gust]

Wait where’s the ing finder?

[rough meadow]

You can see what ingredients it will pull at the top

right next to its RP

It's x1 cacao at 30, x2 at 60

[grand gust]

Oh you mean the 2nd and 3rd ingredients, they are not constant?

[rough meadow]

Nope

[grand gust]

F

[rough meadow]

actually wait maybe they are?

Mine's x2 cacao too...

Hrm

Maybe I'm stupid

lol

But then again I've seen slowpokes that don't pull slowpoke tail

I think there's some ingredient variance

[grand gust]

Let me check my roster

My guess would be the number of ingredients are fixed but the type can change?

Wait actually they are not fixed, my bad

[rough meadow]

Yeah I hink your eevee is just kind of rough outside of its first two skills

and they are very good subskills buuut

everything else is bad

[grand gust]

Yeah the nature is def almost the worst, too sad as I like it’s skill set

[obsidian vortex]

it's not almost, it is the worst

[twin imp]

Let’s keep the Eevee train going. Not sure if either one of these is worth investing in 😔

The second one is bashful so no effect

[rough meadow]

The second one at least has x4 ingredient at 60, although that's admittedly a long way off

The 2nd one definitely seems like the better of the two

Pretty good even, I'd say

like an A imo

[twin imp]

That’s what I’m feeling. Time to grind for an espeon 😩

[rough meadow]

The only Eevee I've found so far is real garbage lol

[ornate jolt]

What y’all think

[rough meadow]

Bulbasaur feels kind of average-ish imo, nature's kind of a wash, and the first two skills are okay but not insane.

[obsidian vortex]

speed of help down bulba is bad

[rough meadow]

That level 10 berry finding on the eevee will make it very potent in the short term, but its long-term potential is only decent, no amazing

The eevee's definitely the better of the two

[obsidian vortex]

Eevee is awesome

[rough meadow]

The eevee's like an A- or A probably

Bulbasaur's more like a B-

[obsidian vortex]

nature that boost main skil + berry finding + the 3 good next subskills it's A+ for me

[rough meadow]

Ingredient finding down nature is a little sad, but then again that doesn't seem to be this one's main job anyway so... yea

I could see the argument for a+

[obsidian vortex]

because you can evolve him into a great evolution that doesn't care about ingredients

[rough meadow]

oh right, I keep forgetting about how variable the evo paths are 🤦‍♂️

[obsidian vortex]

and having skill up will bring you ingredients

[rough meadow]

Yeah you're prolly right, then

[obsidian vortex]

and after it will boost the new skill

https://www.serebii.net/pokemonsleep/pokemon/eevee.shtml

would that Eevee be a god sylveon ?

could be

[ornate jolt]

Thanks guys that bulba is shiny too! I’m trying to figure out what evo to make that eevee

[obsidian vortex]

sylveon gives energy to the team so it will come in handy with those main skills boost

but other could be nice

I'm not an Eevee expert yet sadly X)

[crystal ravine]

Thoughts thoughts?

[rough meadow]

Seems like a solid role player. It'd be great if that Berry subskill kicked in a little earlier, but still fairly good as is

[crystal ravine]

Fs Fs does help speed effect ingredients ?

[rough meadow]

I'm genuinely not sure 🤔 I'd like to know that too

[viral summit]

Berry focused concept:
A pokemon with a good berry, like the dragon type. Altaria drops 2xberries of the highest value.
Alongside i would want a nature that reduces Ingredient finding chance. So i get more berries.
Skills: helping chance up, inventory upgrade, berrydrop+1

[rough meadow]

I mean if you wanna grind infinite swablus, go for it haha

[onyx lintel]

Just got this boy

[rough meadow]

Which berry is that?

Timid is, unfortunately, the worst nature. But getting him to level 10 and using him as an accelerator for the rest of your team will definitely be worthwhile

[obsidian vortex]

yeah put him 10, no more

[rough meadow]

Thoughts on my houndour?

[left walrus]

Sorry to post this again but no one replied. How is this guy doing? He’s my newest one

[rough meadow]

Feels fairly average to me

[obsidian vortex]

yeah

nothing crazy

[left walrus]

Alright thank you

[undone stirrup]

Got a shiny Swablu this morning. Doesn’t seem like it’s that good, but idrk know that much. How is it?

[rough meadow]

Yeah it's somewhat of a meh imo

Pretty tho

[viral summit]

Ingredient finder twice is great but it should be on a mon which returns x2 ingredients once they drop… houndour is skill focused sadly. Its kinda a mess of all imo

[rough meadow]

Yeah especially with an ingredient down nature 😔

Still, I have the help speed at 10, and a cyndaquil who also has help speed at 10

so I plan on using both of them short term to speed everyone else up

[viral summit]

Best altaria i have seen so far. But not perfect

[rough meadow]

It's got nothing for berries which is the main thing you want with altaria

still better than my weak-ass swablu tho

[viral summit]

Yes. Helping speed s is all thats there for berries.

And ingredient finding — is also good so you find more berries

[rough meadow]

Ingredient finding doesn't affect berries, it affects ingredients.

The only thing it has for berries is Helping Speed S at 25.

Which isn't much

[viral summit]

But if you find ingredients you dont find berries that moment. Or do you think both is totally separate from each other?

I thought the chance to drop something is x. And then when you drop something its a certain percentage to be berries or ingredients. And i assumed the skill ingredient finder changes the ratios between berries and ingredients? 😛

[rough meadow]

Hrmmm. IS that true? 🤔

[viral summit]

Just an assumption

[rough meadow]

I thought that berry and ingredient finds were independent of each other

Maybe @ripe shuttle knows

My swablu is EXTREMELY bad lol

look at this D-tier headass

[viral summit]

agree

[ocean hull]

I wouldn't say it's bottom of the barrel, doesn't have anything actively hindering it. A couple of those sub skills are actually decent but too far off. C is more reasonable

[rough meadow]

Fair I guess, but I'm def gonna look for a better one

It still pulls decently quick berries for a low level, so if it winds up on a favorite berry week I can use it as filler

[dusk jolt]

I’ve sent this before but I want to get your opinion on it @rough meadow I’d you wouldn’t mind the covered ingredient is 1x milk

[rough meadow]

Research EXP bonus isn't that great long-term, but probably will be okay for now since we're all just getting started at the moment

Speed of Help up is good, and Energy Recovery down isn't that bad of a downside, so the nature's alright

I feel like this thing's in the neighborhood of B

it'd be a lot better if that Skill Upgrade was hitting at 25 instead of 75.

That said, 3 gold skills means that if you DO skill seed it, you've got a 50/50 chance of it going on the level 25 skill (which is the one you want it to hit)

So yeah, not bad I'd say.

If the Skill Level Up and Berry Finding hit earlier, it'd be goated

buuut if you DO stick with it for the long haul, it'll be pretty strong late game

It's not optimal for an eevee but it's usable

On further thought, more like a B+ or maybe A-?

just gonna be slow to get to its full potential

The Research EXP for 10 is the biggest thing holding it back from long-term greatness, but it'll make it a solid roleplayer for you UNTIL it gets to its endgame power spikes I guess, if you do decide to stick with it

Very usable

[dusk jolt]

It’s just that I have to get to research rank 50 to even be able to level it up to 50

[rough meadow]

yeah

Its best skills won't be relevant until probably a year from now in irl time lol

[dusk jolt]

It’s going to take years to even have the ability to get it to 100 yeah

[rough meadow]

I think B+. It's got some short-term benefit and some long-term benefit, but it's also a little bit of a tricky one to get the most out of, and its ceiling is never going to be optimal

[dusk jolt]

Ugh it’s annoying that I can’t just catch unlimited eevees

Poke biscuit limitations and stuff

[rough meadow]

My eevee is crap garbage, you're still doing better than me on that front lol

[dusk jolt]

What is the theoretical best eevee in your opinion

[rough meadow]

Probably skill focused with an extra Berry skill, if I had to guess? I'm not the most knowledgable here, though

Eevees are pretty flexible, and you can evolve them to whatever suits their build, tbh

[dusk jolt]

Yeah that’s why I like them cause you have options

It just sucks berry finder is at 100

[rough meadow]

Yeah 😔

I've got a Larvitar who has it at 25 which I'm pretty happy about

[dusk jolt]

Nice

[rough meadow]

She's tough to get much out of rn, but she's gonna be a beast when she grows up

[dusk jolt]

I always assumed double or triple inv up skills on the same moon was a bad thing

Seems like a waste of a skill spot

[rough meadow]

It's mostly just good for overnight

and Tyranitar base frequency is 45 minutes

so she'll probably be able to fill up on a full 8 hour sleep

especially with double berries and x8 ingredient at lvl 60

definitely not completely useless

[dusk jolt]

Jesus 8x wtf

[rough meadow]

YEP

I have two larvitars with x8 at 60 lol

the other one's not quite as good as this one but still solid

[dusk jolt]

I didn’t even know that was possible

[rough meadow]

I think @storm citrus has a x8 larvitar too

I didn't even realize it was that uncommon for this species??

I think we need to see a wider spread of larvitars

but

🤷‍♂️

[grand gust]

Ah another interesting diglett, which one’s better among these? @ripe shuttle

[rough meadow]

I think the Third is better than the second

[grand gust]

With berry finding?

[rough meadow]

But the Ingredient Up nature and x7 tomatos at level 60 is catching my attention a lot on the first...

Yeah the berry finding one is going to be good as soon as that berry subskill kicks in

The first one MIGHT have the higher long term ceiling though 🤔

[turbid pivot]

Speciality ingredients ditto with slowpoke tails

[viral summit]

Does anyone have a lvl 30 yet? Do we know how the two ingredient drop values work?

[rough meadow]

ooh pretty good

[grand gust]

Yeah I guess these two are what I’m debating, the first really focuses on ingredient finding it seems, tho having a lot skill up subskills

[rough meadow]

Yeah, the helping speed up at 25 is pretty good, although it's only S, and it'll be hard to hit the skill seeds onto it

[grand gust]

And lacks that berry finder

[rough meadow]

cause you don't have high rarity rolls overall

I think the third one will be more consistent/well-rounded, and hit its power spike sooner.

The first one has a higher ceiling late game, but I don't know enough about the game overall and late-game specifically to say whether it's worth fully investing into

or if you're likely to find better late-game farmers

I can see an argument for both, but in terms of resources and time vs. reward, and accounting for continuing to get new pulls on mons over the coming months... My gut says the third?

But definitely post it again later and get some second opinions from people who're more knowledgable

[grand gust]

Right, I’m really confused about relationship between berries and ingredients and probably inventory, and help speed?

Like say I want a mon to be focusing on ingredient finding, will help speed help with that or in the reverse way? Since pokemons can feed snorlax themselves, how useful is inventory up

[rough meadow]

Yeah I don't actually know if Berry and Ingredient finds affect one another

and I'm not 100% sure if Help Speed affects ingredients or just berries?

Maybe ask Serebii lol

[dusk jolt]

Here’s my best 3 ingredient mons they all have good potential I think can’t decide which to build they are very similar

[rough meadow]

Inventory Up is quite good for overnight

[grand gust]

But pokemons feed snorlax themselves right

[rough meadow]

Butterfree is kind of a hybrid, because it's actually a berry specialist, with a ingredient SKILL. This metapod has very good subskills and nature. VERY good.

The first bulbasaur has a lot of inventory up, and the x7 ingredients so I guess it'd be okay for overnight, but it doesn't impress me as much as the metapod

Second Bulbasaur has the worst nature in the game

[viral summit]

I assume, the inventory is only relevant for daytime, when you are not loggedin?
During night excess berries are fed. But maybe the excess ingredients are lost? So maybe helps there?

[dusk jolt]

Yeah the natures are rough on the bulbs

The only concern is metapod doesn’t have 7x ingredients or anything

[rough meadow]

The first Bulbasaur > second Bulbasaur, but the nature is still kind of a mixed bag on that one

[rough meadow]

What's the ceiling on Butterfrees for ingredients?

They're berry mons so they'll have a lower cap compared to stuff like larvitar, diglett and the starters

🤔

I think this Metapod might honestly be an S-tier

It feels like a really good roll for its role, to me

[dusk jolt]

Ooh yay

Do the ingredient counts change when I evolve it?

[rough meadow]

Nope

those are locked from birth

[viral summit]

Agree

[rough meadow]

and it would've gotten one more free level up on main skill if you'd caught it as a caterpie

but it's got really focused synergy on building up that skill

with some help speed up to boot

[grand gust]

Huh, then inventory doesn’t really sound like a good skill then

[rough meadow]

It's very strong

[rough meadow]

Yeah I guess not 🤔 bummer, cause my shiny pikachu has a LOT of inventory up in its late subskills

😔

[grand gust]

Damn but it’s shiny

Haven’t got mine yet

[dusk jolt]

Yeah the only reason I haven’t invested into it is because it wasn’t a caterpie. The free level up and 5+ additional carry limit is big I feel

The free level can be made up but the carry limit can’t

[rough meadow]

But how important is the carry limit?

I guess it depends on how often you're checking during the day

but like... idk, I feel like this metapod is just too good of a roll to pass up

feels very strong to me

[dusk jolt]

K cool it’s probably my best mon then rn

Thanks for the advise

[viral summit]

So if i can chose what to catch i better go for unevolved pokemon i guess

[dusk jolt]

Yeah theoretically

But if I see a tyranitar I will still wanna catch it lol

[viral summit]

If serebii lists pokemon is the first ingredient in the list the fixed one? And the other two the variable ones?

[rough meadow]

Haha, a ttar fully evolved is gonna be so many points though...

Even Flaaffy is already 12...

such a biscuit hound...

[ocean hull]

No clue about the first ingredient, but all 3 can be selected at random for the last ones

[dusk jolt]

True I don’t really ever want to use a master biscuit not worth at all much rather skill seeds

[rough meadow]

Yep

Master Biscuit will probably only ever be relevant for legendaries

and that's a big unknown far in the future, so... 🤷‍♂️

[ocean hull]

I could've sworn Celebi was in one of the trailers

As a silhouette

[rough meadow]

I'm sure that legendaries will be a thing eventually

but we don't know when or how they'll work

so dumping 4k sleep points on a master biscuit speculatively...

That's 3 skill seeds.

[grand gust]

wigglytuff’s 20

[rough meadow]

[rough meadow]

and that's from Jigglypuff at like 7 or 8 IIRC.

I'm betting TTar's gonna be 25 or something

[grand gust]

7 probably

[ocean hull]

Yeah 7

[storm citrus]

here's my larvitar

[molten finch]

My atop belly growlith this morning.

[storm citrus]

jealousss

[molten finch]

He's a Naughty boy, which is a bit of a bummer, but I love him all the same. Neeeed that research exp on my team and it's my first with helping bonus

[rough meadow]

The ingredient finding down is the biggest thing holding this little guy back 😔

[storm citrus]

[rough meadow]

Damn this thing's pretty solid. The Research EXP skill is kind of a waste in the long term, and the skill chance down from nature is pretty rough on a growlithe, but there's still enough going for this guy that I'd tentatively say S-

[molten finch]

Ohh yeah ingredients is like larvitars thing

[molten finch]

Does it find 3 different ingredients though? That is pretty neat. It's still probably a solid B or A- because they are that good at what they do.

[storm citrus]

Yeah it finds unique ingredients iirc

[molten finch]

I accept that for my fluffy.S- in this case is like S midgame and A late game.

[rough meadow]

It's also an absolute energizer bunny, you could probably run that thing for two days straight and only sleep it once

lol

[storm citrus]

I've been trying it out ast of yesterday so we'll see!

[dusk jolt]

Is ditto having snorlax tail an an ingredient a glitch or cant it just get any ingredient in the game? It seems really powerful to have a ditto with it since then you dont need a slowpoke

[ripe shuttle]

Alright so I am starting to mad respect inventory up recently. Skill level up is also okay. Nature is kinda painful though. I really wish the learn order was better. I'll give it like an A or A-. If it had a better nature or the help speed swapped with skill level up I'd give it a higher rating. You can def use this long term though for sure. It has a good pool it's only missing the berry finder.

[ripe shuttle]

I'm really bummed out about no slowpoke tails in the ingredient list but aside from that it has basically a perfect skill subset and NEARLY perfect nature. S- cause despite this you really want slowpoke tails down the line but like, it is difficult to find much better slowpoke than this

[rough meadow]

We were kind of having some back and forth about the value of Inventory Up a few minutes ago. Still not 100% sure how to rate it personally, since I tend to check my phone a lot throughout the day 🤔

[ripe shuttle]

This guy is fine. It's kinda fillerish but it's still good so like B-. The skills are nice but I wish they were in a different order and there was a meaningful nature

[ripe shuttle]

Soooo even of that's the case you will still likely be using all that space for your big sleep. Getting say 12 or more slots for ingredients can be amazing for that

If you have 6-9 hour sleep sessions you'll use the space

[near fossil]

What upped your respect for inventory up?

Just thought it was good if you dont check every hour or so

[ripe shuttle]

Excess ingredients are lost

Reading back

Berries are fed but ingredients aren't

[near fossil]

ahh

ok makes sense

so for ingredient mons especially its not too bad

[rough meadow]

Yeah the counter-argument people were making was about how your mons will feed snorlax automatically in sleep mode. Is that less effective than storing it in inventory, or is it 1:1? That's the thing I'm unsure of

oh

Nvm I missed the thing you just said about ingredients

I'm dumb

ok yeah that's pretty good, then

🤔

[ripe shuttle]

So this data is still fresh and needs to be tackled but I am mildly confident excess berry feeding doesn't count favorite berry bonus

So if it's favored berry as well capacity slightly helps there too alongside catching more ingredients. You never get excess ingredients

Waiting for more info though to be sure how the excess berry thing works exactly

[obsidian vortex]

i'll head to sleep, and record tmr morning my phone

gn !

[rough meadow]

g'night!

[ripe shuttle]

Yah diglet 3 is S tier or whatever nonsence. It will give you dumb value as you harvest throughout the day and is just pretty steller in general between good nature, berry finder, and double ingredient finder

First one isn't bad either looking at the long term ingredients but lmao reaching 60 at this stage of the game and its just slightly above alright before that

[ripe shuttle]

I am like 99% sure this is the case. I didn't in depth look but every time if cross referenced it has been correct

[grand gust]

Got it! Thanks, I was only looking at the 1st as it has a slightly better nature and bunch of skill up, but ur right

Also, Do we know about relationship between berries and ingredients and probably inventory, and help speed now? Say I want a mon to be focusing on ingredient finding, will help speed help with that or in the reverse way?

[ripe shuttle]

Berry finding, two good globals and pretty decent capstone. Really bummed about nature so I'll dock some points off and like you are missing a skill trigger but arcanine collects FAST at base and you got finder and good collection skills so I quite like this. Just pretend berry specialist. S- tier

Imo

[ripe shuttle]

Help speed does help

We don't know how exactly it works but it does make you gather ingredients faster too

My current guess is you gather based on your frequency and then there is a % chance it's an ingredient instead of a berry and ingredient finder/ingredient nature/ingredient specialist weight the values into ingredients harder. That's just a working theory though

[grand gust]

Ok that’s really useful

[grand gust]

That’s what I thought but I was really unsure about it, as it’s not clearly stated anywhere

[ripe shuttle]

Will definitely make a big pinned info post when we definitely craxk the code

[grand gust]

Yup yup

[ripe shuttle]

Ye ye. That's just the theory atm

[grand gust]

Ingredient specialist probably won’t help with chance, guess they only differ by the amount of ingredients/berries

But still, guesses

[ripe shuttle]

Ye. We haven't run calca backwards yet taking the x2 berries into account

[rough meadow]

That's another question that came up earlier: are berry/ingredient find rates dependent or independent?

as in does more berries mean less ingredients and vice versa?

[ripe shuttle]

Berry specialist slams inventory caps harder. Ingredient specialists not flooding you with berries is kinda nice since more chances at ingredients as they push towards capacity

[rough meadow]

Does ingredient down translate to a functional berry up at the same frequency?

[ripe shuttle]

I THINK it might. I cannot tell you with certainty though

[rough meadow]

I see

[grand gust]

It’s kinda counterintuitive as speed of help corresponds to ingredient chance, but they are doing different things

[ripe shuttle]

Like if 70% chance to find berry and 30% chance for ingredient (random numbers) down ingredient could mean you go to like 85% berry chance and 15% ingredient chance. No actual clue how it works this is what I'm trying to sus out atm with #1135034240581509222

If you are willing to spend time helping here after coming off sleep/naps I would be forever grateful

[grand gust]

I mean like if speed of help does with ingredients, yet ingredients up will decrease berries… that makes ingredients up quite inferior

[ripe shuttle]

Well ingredients are worth a lot in the pot and ingredient mons even find you 2 at a time at base

[grand gust]

Yup I meant in terms of nature

[ripe shuttle]

Even for berry specialists with favored berries the values are close just ingredients are stuck to feeding time

[grand gust]

Thus a berry mon with ing down could be even better… that’s interesting

[ripe shuttle]

Sadly no berry down skill hahs

[grand gust]

Yuh

[ripe shuttle]

I mean nature

I think the fact there isn't berry down though means that it could just functionally be the same as ingredient up/down if it is a percentage chance to proc

And the nature would have been redundant (aka berry up is just ingredient down or ingredient up is just berry down)

[grand gust]

“It” meaning speed of help?

[ripe shuttle]

The fact berry down down doesn't exist means that berry down could just functionally be the inverse of ingredient finder

Is what I'm trying to say

[grand gust]

Ah i see

[ripe shuttle]

Not mentioning speed of help just trying to figure out why the natures mention ingredients but not berries

Seems like it would have made sense at a glance but might not make sense behind the scenes so they didnt

[grand gust]

So, in the theory of 100% chance of ingredients+berries, Ingredient finder basically could just mean berry down, which means that berry mon really don’t want any ingredient skill/nature involved then

Lol really need to know if ingredients and berries are dependent or not

[ripe shuttle]

It? Head scratcher

Okay I will not be active much the rest of the day. I have homework to do

[rough meadow]

I have SUCH mixed feelings about my squirtle's nature

This guy is so close to being pure S-tier

aside from the nature being a bit of a mixed bag.

[eternal elbow]

Seems like a solid Growlithe, especially with the nature and skill level up

[rough meadow]

This seems VERY good

Possibly an S

[eternal elbow]

Ya lol I started reading the guides and looking through my Pokémon and realized how good it is

[grand gust]

If speed of help does affect ingredients then any help speed down seems a bit off to me

[eternal elbow]

Especially if can level up the skill level S

And main skill

[near fossil]

We need to know a bit more about what procs ingredients and berries, it could be that theyre seperate

[rough meadow]

yeah, he'd be great if not for that 😔

[grand gust]

Yeah

[rough meadow]

He's still very solid but losing out on % frequency when he's a blastoise

is a bit rough

;_;

[grand gust]

If help speed is affecting, then the universal best skill set is fixed lol

Help speed bonus, help speed s, m, berry finder, and like whatever, sleep exp?

[viral summit]

helpspeed bonus on all your mons 😉

[grand gust]

And sneak in some ingredients/main skill up for ur corresponding speciality

[near fossil]

berry finder may be better than help speed m or s since it basically doubles or 1.5x output 🤔

[grand gust]

Yup I did put berry finder in

[viral summit]

any berry focused pokemon needs berry finder

[grand gust]

And tbh, any non berry focused could have berry finder as well, oh but this depends on if berries and ingredients are independent or not

[ripe shuttle]

There is a super slim chance berry finder on ingredients is a double edged sword since you fill capacity faster aka less ingredient rolls but it still would likely be net positive by some amount

Anyways don't run with the info yet

We dunno exactly how stuff works we're sussing it out

[viral summit]

i dont think it should be a priority for skill or ing focused mons

[grand gust]

Really need to know the dependency, will contribute to the gathering thread from today on

[ripe shuttle]

It makes them give a lot more berry value definitely. Might make big sleep awkward for capacity reasons but is really just benefits for regular daily. Might not be an issue either for big sleeps even if it fills capacity faster though

Just.... not enough data to make a statement yet

[grand gust]

We could try to send a support ticket on these but I doubt they will know…

And now it seems I cant invest on any mons… F

[grand gust]

Is this statement grounded? Like we know this for sure already?

[rough meadow]

Pretty sure Help Speed just directly modifies the Frequency number

[ripe shuttle]

Help speed directly changes frequency yes.
Frequency has a CORRELATION with faster drops. It does happen we don't know to what degree or exact how

[rough meadow]

The more I learn about how things work, the more I realize this spheal might be actually pretty decent (albeit requiring heavy skill seed investment to reach its potential)

although if ingredient/berry are dependent variables, he goes in the trash I guess

lol

[ripe shuttle]

Wish I knew better ingredient finder data but I'd say yes it's not bad. Help speed is probably best nature, skill chance down annoying but what can you do and skill list looks nice

Walrein is kinda nuts it's just second butterfree but ice so like it's hard to mess it up

[rough meadow]

He's like an A-, but a seed-expensive one, I suspect

[ripe shuttle]

I rate the species super highly just based on the kit quality

[rough meadow]

I'll keep fishing for other spheals before I commit tbh

[ripe shuttle]

So I'd probably just use this spheal happily

[rough meadow]

He's probably good enough but... idk

Everything is so long-term

and he needs SO many seeds to pop off

yknow?

[ripe shuttle]

Ye seed investment is probably killer

I'd still use it but probably wouldn't seed invest haha. Hold up

[rough meadow]

If I had unlimited seeds to throw around he could be pumped up into an S-tier but

I don't lol

[ripe shuttle]

?spkmon spheal

What was the command again

[rough meadow]

no idea

[ripe shuttle]

Rawst berries have good value

That's what I wanted to check. It's better than a good few berries even if it's only a slight edge

[rough meadow]

Yeah they're a favorite this week too

[ripe shuttle]

Adds up or whatever

[rough meadow]

I'm to the point where I might make Ultra 4 tonight off of this spheal's efforts

Definitely would've if I'd caught my Cyndaquil sooner lol

I'm really interested where stuff like jigglypuff line and growlithe line fit into the hierarchy

How powerful are skill boosts going to be? 🤔

[ripe shuttle]

It's more how powerful energy will be

[rough meadow]

Yeah lol

I'm not sure how to rate it

I'm already checking my phone enough that it's hard to keep everyone's energy up lol

[ripe shuttle]

Skill boosts are pretty good on the skill mons from what I've seen. You activate a much more frequent amount

[rough meadow]

Yeah

DO you get better results when your energy meter is high on a mon?

Or is that just speculation?

[ripe shuttle]

Imagine if it turns out optimal to never check your snorlax aside from meals and naps

[rough meadow]

I'll be so mad

[ripe shuttle]

And frequent checking kills energy kills gathering during sleep

[viral summit]

tests lead to no. if you still have energy it is kind of always same. i tracked a barely visible decline from 100 to 50%.

[ripe shuttle]

That would be funny

[rough meadow]

Give me my little dopamine boosts from checking every hour or two, damn you

[ripe shuttle]

Ye and the data pool is small enough this could be rng I'm assuming

[viral summit]

probably

[grand gust]

NEED INFO ABOUT BERRY/INGREDIENT CORRELATION

[ripe shuttle]

Everyone I've seen that has done "independent" tests by themselves notice no difference in energy till they hit 0.

[grand gust]

God I hope they can just write everything in help

[ripe shuttle]

But actually gathering all the "independent" data into something usable isn't really plausible and people could have also scuffed in one way or another

[rough meadow]

My current plan is to try and get both of these boys to 10 next week for the double Help Up

They're not top tier long term

[ripe shuttle]

I'm inclined to believe though even if we can't use it as evidence

[viral summit]

if a person has 2 identical mons and one has ingredient finder it would be easy to see if berries decrease alongside ing increase

[rough meadow]

But really good short term role players

[ripe shuttle]

Erayto has 3 metapods and one is ingredient gathering. He was in the sleep data gathering chat and he will also be coming back tomorrow with more data 👀

[rough meadow]

oooh

nice

hopefully he'll just keep posting for a full week or two with those 3 so we can get good enough sample size

[ripe shuttle]

I can try to run identical mons tonight but one is ingredient gathering. I'd have to check my box but I think I can

Our golden goose lmao

[rough meadow]

p<0.05 or uninstall the game

😛

[marble drum]

hey red sorry for offtopic, i'll delete my message after your answer, do you have the premium pass

[viral summit]

this hound looks good. you should keep it. i think it will perform great for your team also later on.
the other mon not so much beside the lvl10 bonus

[ripe shuttle]

Idc if off topic this thread has been off topic for like an hour

[marble drum]

oh

[rough meadow]

It VERY much depends on how ingredient find winds up working

[ripe shuttle]

And yah I have premium pass haha

[rough meadow]

although it's ingredient down nature and double ingredient up skill so kind of a wash regardless

🤷‍♂️

[ripe shuttle]

Trial too good to pass up. Likely will keep it but idk yet

[marble drum]

what would you recommend getting from the premium exchange shop before it resets?

i got the 10 biscuits

[grand gust]

I got quite some same mons as well

[ripe shuttle]

If you can swing it, get the seeds and the candy M

[marble drum]

was considering if great biscuits are an option, or if seeds are?

[rough meadow]

I'll probably grab the trial next week tbh.

[ripe shuttle]

Especially the seeds

[rough meadow]

What precisely is the deal with the shop candies anyway?

[ripe shuttle]

Free shop seeds will likely be ridiculously costed

[rough meadow]

I don't even know what they do

[marble drum]

so you got both seeds?

[ripe shuttle]

You cash them in for candies of a mon of your choice.

Candy S gives 3, candy M gives 20

[rough meadow]

Seeds will almost certainly be the biggest bottleneck resource long term.

get them whenever you can tbh

[ripe shuttle]

You go to yout backpack and click use and then click on a mon in your box

[rough meadow]

Gotcha. Neat

[ripe shuttle]

It'll ask you how many candies do you want to use and tell you how many it spits out before you hit confirm

[grand gust]

Could help in some way

[marble drum]

both seeds would be so expensive though jeez

[ripe shuttle]

Yah. If you have a really good mon but it's tainted with a skill S at level 10 I'd grab subskill. If you have something like a skill trigger butterfree I'd probably grab main skill

Idk

Just make an executive call based on your pool and best mon

[rough meadow]

Holy shit you've got so many more mons than me already lol...

[marble drum]

i have nothing

lmfao

[viral summit]

3

[ripe shuttle]

I'm barely going to be able to buy one seed before it resets lmao. I bought too many general store biscuts early on after wiping out premium store biscuts and I'm paying the price

I MIGHT be able to get one seed cause I couldn't cull my biscut feeding habits

[marble drum]

bro's got a diglett army

[marble drum]

idk why i have the feeling that subskill seed might be more useful

[rough meadow]

Yeah I completely wiped out the general store's poke biscuit supply... Rookie mistakes I guess

[dusk jolt]

You have so many pokemon already

[rough meadow]

New game, none of us are going to be playing optimally yet lol

[ripe shuttle]

I mean......

31 in box

[marble drum]

woa

[rough meadow]

You're probably going to need more subskill seeds than main skill seeds in the very long run, at a guess.

[ripe shuttle]

AND ONLY 1 DAMN BERRY FINDER

[rough meadow]

Well I feel inadequate lmao

[marble drum]

they have 45 tho

[rough meadow]

Then again my overall rolls have been above average I think for specific mon stats

[marble drum]

🤓

[dusk jolt]

wtfffff

[rough meadow]

so I can't complain too much

[dusk jolt]

I just have like 17 and bought both seeds and candy M

[ripe shuttle]

My only berry finder

And the nature is scuffed

[rough meadow]

I'm on 14 in box.....

_>

[ripe shuttle]

And it's at level 75

[ripe shuttle]

It's not the size of the box that counts....

It's how you use it

[marble drum]

should i skip on this week's premium shop seed or just get one for future investments

[rough meadow]

At least I've got my golden goose here

[marble drum]

i'm so bad at making choices

[rough meadow]

I will never stop posting this Larvitar, she is my precious daughter and I love her

[dusk jolt]

I want to get both seeds each month so I can max my guys quicker its gonna take a lot of seeds to max a whole team

even more for all the dif berries

[viral summit]

what is a seed?

[dusk jolt]

I think buying both seeds each month is well wroth

[marble drum]

it's each week i think

[ripe shuttle]

If you can buy one I'd say just buy a seed. If you can't I wouldn't sweat too hard. We also don't know what is in next week's shop could have better or worse things to invest in. Skill seeds also can make your best mon better now so like.....

[grand gust]

Lol 58 and like 5 berry finders

[dusk jolt]

Nah its at least more than that shop had a 9 day timer when i started

[grand gust]

Tho not many of them r useful

[rough meadow]

Perfect Sleep on premium generates exactly enough points to buy one seed or evo item per week, discounting Tents and Events

[marble drum]

true

[dusk jolt]

I thought shop reset was monthly anyone know for sure?

[marble drum]

i'm pretty sure it's weekly

[ripe shuttle]

In the premium shops there is subskill seeds and mainskill seeds.

Subskill seeds increase a subskill yo the next level. Help speed S to help speed M for example. It still won't make everything grow though there isn't like a help speed L, no berry finder M, or inventory XL. It just depends on what skill you're leveling up.

Main skill seed increases your main skill power. Ingredient magnet level 1 becomes ingredient magnet level 2 and gives 9 ingredients instead of 6 for example

[marble drum]

ok i'm getting the subskill seed

[ripe shuttle]

There is a good chance they'll show up in free shop at some point or another, it's supposed to rotate stock once a month to a new pool of items.

They're also likely going to have ludicrous free shop prices if the pokebiscut inflation is anything to go by

[marble drum]

OHHHHH i forgot i get the 1000 bonus sleep points for getting trial 😎😎

very nice

[rough meadow]

Is there a level cap on main skill or does it scale forever? Do they all scale linearly or do some have better scalings?

[grand gust]

Ahh these two might be a good source to test on the correlation problem

[rough meadow]

Ooh, a promising pair... 👀

[ripe shuttle]

Serebii lists the main cap, yes there's a main cap. I believe it is 6 let me double check. We don't know if skill level up subskills break this cap or not. My hunch says no but it's very possible they do

[marble drum]

okay sorry for the offtopic red

thanks for the tips bye

[ripe shuttle]

Byeeeee

[ripe shuttle]

If you could level the other pika to 7 that would be awesome but not neccesary.

Either way ye if you wouldn't mind having them on team and putting data in #1135034240581509222 That would be steller 🙂 I hope next week is grepa berries so we can check them long term

If it's not but your willing to do it for science anyways I'll throw you gems or something 👀

[grand gust]

Nvm I found a more suitable pair, is tonight’s berries gonna be fed to the new snorlax? If not I can swap them in my team

Actually I can just put them in, no biggy

[ripe shuttle]

Even if they were fed to new snorlax we wouldn't know what berries it likes

[rough meadow]

oh yeah same frequency, opposite natures...

[ripe shuttle]

So

Perfect pair though 100%

[grand gust]

How do you accurately count the berries and ingredients tho

🤔

[ripe shuttle]

The woodo duo might actually be great for new island anyways if you can get their skills to trigger for a headstart anyways haha

[grand gust]

Yep, will put them in my roster tonight

[ripe shuttle]

You do a big sleep like 6+ hours.

Count the berries and ingredients that dropped per pokemon when you tap them

Repeat for a couple nights

[grand gust]

Hopefully won’t forget

[grand gust]

Yeah I meant the counting part, like by eye?

Oh and I realized the hard part… how do u tell which one’s which, on the screen

[ripe shuttle]

Yah there are 3 ways to count don't know what is most accurate

Use your eyes and probably a screenshot.

Collect all the berries and count the total on the berry box quickly before snorlax eats (need to go fast)

Take your power after eating berries and subtract your power before berries and divide by berry value

Counting manually is most consistent.... probably

[viral summit]

also need count ingredients

zoomed in screenshot is probably best?

[ripe shuttle]

Oh ye. Gotta track ingredients too. That's easy though if you're worried you miscounted just check the values that show up on the left side of the screen it will tell you how many you got

If you want to be extra careful check how many in your bag and then how many after collect

[grand gust]

Okay will try all

[ripe shuttle]

That's a lot but good luck

If you actually do all that would be baller.

[grand gust]

And this? Probably the hardest lol

[ripe shuttle]

I think zoomed in screenshot is probably easier than zoomed out

So you can see pixel differences of berries behind other berries easier

If you do screenshot angle

[viral summit]

yellow is the berry. red the tomato(ingredient)

[grand gust]

Nah i mean, two identical mons, how do you tell which one’s which

[viral summit]

lo. assume the one with more ingredients is 1. and the other its counterpart 😄

[ripe shuttle]

Uh hmmmm

[grand gust]

That’s a very statistical statement lmao, everything’s based on assumption

[ripe shuttle]

Man it would take so much longer to get the data but if we wanted to make sure we knew which wood was which you would run one for a week and the other for another week

Or something. Maybe alternate days idk

Bro now I'm upset one of your woods could have been shiny to make it easier

[grand gust]

That’s a good point… actually we could wait for a shiny to start the experiment lol

[ripe shuttle]

Waiting for a shiny that is ingredient up or down and a counterpart of the sake species with the opposite is big ask haha

Would be ideal but not something we could just whip up to start checking

[grand gust]

I Will just put those two in for tonight and assume the one with more ingredients is the ingredient up

Problem solved

[ripe shuttle]

I'd say like B+ for the magnemite the global is really helpful but gets skill trigger kinda late and do nothing nature. Def use it though, magnemite line really good.

Dunno how to rate this toto since it kit pulls it everywhere but tons of already upgraded skills makes me think B+. Nature and level 25 aren't doing favors but it's like decent kit overall and better than riffraff

Helping speed goated skill just wish it was M instead of S. Slightly positive nature I would say but we don't love skill chance down in spheal. The kit is pretty good in general though with like double helping speed etc. So I'll give it like an A-. It's hard to actually get a bad spheal I've noticed haha. Line uses all skills relatively well so it's really just nature that matters imo

[rough meadow]

Thoughts on this slowpoke?

Feels slightly above average if energy is valuable

But x2 tails at best and only minimal ingredient support at 50 feels a little limiting

[acoustic scaffold]

Thoughts on this pichu's substats

noticed it has more golden subskills than my Pikachu and other pichu

[grand gust]

4 gold seems quite amazing but these are really not that useful, could be better if two of them are berry finder or help bonus I think

[acoustic scaffold]

yea im suprised there wasnted an ingredient finder skill here

[ripe shuttle]

Double tail is awesome but seems kinda filler otherwise. The extra ingredient finder is nice though. Could have a good nature and better skills (I don't actually think the energy thing is thay useful but yah we don't know) but I'd rate this like an A or A+ tier slowpoke still cause of the perks it does have

[acoustic scaffold]

idk yet if evolving changes the subskills

[rough meadow]

Can tail not go to x3 or x4?

[ripe shuttle]

I really like the level 10 and 25 and the nature is okay or good so it doesn't get below an A. Dunno exactly how I'd rate it though. Raichu is disgustingly good though and any pichu worth their salt is valuable though so def keep this guy and use him till raichu. Support skils and positive nature hard to go wrong

[ripe shuttle]

So I haven't seen a x3 or x4 tail in any of the slowpoke I've viewed. Maybe it could. If it does though that's like an absurd high roll I couldn't expect people to get (like having berry finder on every single mon or always getting an 8x ingredient at level 60)

[grand gust]

Is dreamshard bonus and research exp worth it really?

[ripe shuttle]

Ingredient finder skills and any slowpoke tails are much more reasonable to hit

[ripe shuttle]

I mean they're both basically meta currency. Dream shards could bottleneck down the road and research exp is pretty nice since you get rewards for climbing ranks. I'm not claiming they're better than say getting a really efficient help speed M and like an ingredient finder M or inventory L, but they're still quite helpful for longterm. The bonuses will add up pretty meaningfully over time

Pot upgrades particularly look to be really expensive latter on

Raichu is kinda busted in general and one that does meta currency with a good nature is ok in my book

[grand gust]

Why is raichu great tho

[ripe shuttle]

Alright I'm muting discord till my homework is done for anybody thay posts in here asking for help. I'll get to them at the latest tomorrow night my time

[grand gust]

Alrighty good luck

[rough meadow]

I've seen x4 Cacao slowpoke, so theoretically more tails might be possible?

[ripe shuttle]

Tied for fastest frequency in the game.

If you upgraded from pikachu it has 26 capacity at base or 31* if from pichi which is absurdly high.

Charge strength is still like a fine skill to have raichus whole goal is just to slam you with so many berries you choke on the value and and charge strength just adds that little extra pep into your drowsy power when it pops. Not saying it's wow but it's there.

It's better than all the other mons in that kind of category of berry specialist with charge strength active (although slightly messy comparisons to ampharos who is similar. Skill specialist with better skill but obviously worse berry collection. Still high frequency/capacity though). Butterfree, walrein, and raichu are imo 3 best berry specialists in the game