#2v2 3v3 4v4 pvp

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sudden wing
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bring back this into pvp, its all 1v1s for
ranked. lets make it fun!

mild olive
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Hello, so I was part of a small team pvp community where we queue 4v4 in practice pvp back when level 130 and 140 was max. Unfortunately, this community has died out due to cards being constantly changed/pvp banned in order to balance 1v1s but not 4v4s.

Why card changes killed team pvp:

  • Multiselect is implemented in every AOE spell which heavily nerfs the dmg when you select everyone. You might say "well, then don't select everyone. Only select 1 person so you get the full value". The problem with this is it doesn't work. Let me explain. The bread and butter of 4v4 or any team pvp is jaders/supports help protect their hitters while also clearing shields and buffing their hitters. Usually, a team would try to kill the opponent's hitters asap so your team would be free of dmg as jaders don't hit. So once a hitter dies, the jaders would have to heal them to stay in the match. This is where AOE comes into play. Hitters need a strong AOE spell to not only kill the hitter who just got healed, but also to hit the jaders to close out the match. If the AOE is not strong enough, a 4v4 game would never end as jaders would just keep healing their team. Yes, I know many of the heal spells got banned/capped to 1 copy but I believe that this is unnecessary if AOEs were stronger. If your thinking "well doesn't the AOE nerf and caps of healing spells cancel out so 4v4 is not a perpetual game?" you are correct. However, this would be extremely unfun because who wants to sit there killing 3 jades once their opponent's hitter has died. This would take a very long time especially with feint getting pvp banned. Plus, I would argue that killing the hitter is even harder now because almost all of the AOE spells got added roshambo utility which as a result lower the dpp of AOE spells even more.

Even though team pvp is a small part of the community, I would like KI to not neglect it and destroy it in order to balance 1v1. (They kinda already done that 😔 rip team pvp I miss you 🪦 )

smoky wind
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The entire reason wiz lives this long is the core community of players who make things for themselves to do, this includes the once great PVP eras of past. We need to bring back ranked all 4 pvp types and then bring back their First Age counterpart where pets were cosmetics not luck based gambling