Spare jeans (cancelled)

[kindred tree]

+x0.2 mult if scored hand contains a full house

rare

it's just buffed spare trousers

[snow wave]

Two pair is too common.
Make it ×0.1

[civic bison]

obelisk scaling for playing two pairs

fair and balanced

[wicked jackal]

Tbh too weak should be +x103392027638383748338

[civic bison]

true bomb

[kindred tree]

its rare tho

that's basically just constellation which is uncommon

[civic bison]

yes because constellation scales every time you play a hamd

[kindred tree]

i feel like sometimes planet cards can be more common than two pairs tho

[civic bison]

thats not the point

they scale in different ways

now idk about you

but i usually cant scale constellation .4X per round

[kindred tree]

that's not that much for a rare

it's not more cracked than blueprint for example

[civic bison]

yes it is

say you wanna know how much yorick scales per ante

on blue stake

you can do thirty cards discarded in an ante

that is roughtly 1.3X mult per ante

[kindred tree]

also what are the chances of you recieving that card and playing 4 2 pairs as well

[civic bison]

this would be 1.2X per ante

[kindred tree]

thats fair

[civic bison]

not too unlikely

2 pairs sre one of the most common hands in the game

[mossy anvil]

Ye

[kindred tree]

what if we made it 0.1 but it's uncommon

[mossy anvil]

Hmm

[civic bison]

rare

[hasty ingot]

Still not a fan cause it’s just a better version of an existing joker

[mossy anvil]

+2 mult vs +0.1x mult

[hasty ingot]

What if we had Wine which was legendary and gave 10 double tags when sold

[kindred tree]

+2 mult would just be common

[mossy anvil]

+0.1x is better

[mossy anvil]

spare trousers?

[kindred tree]

thats so not an analogy spare trousers is a reference to actual circuses tho

[civic bison]

peak bob

[kindred tree]

fair

[civic bison]

what if we had a rare joker that was beer and it gave 2 double tags when sold

[kindred tree]

0.1x would be good with rare thats actually still useable

[kindred tree]

spare trousers is an inside joke in actual circuses so this makes no sense

[hasty ingot]

The problem isn’t really the strength, it’s just that it’s a buffed up version of an already existing homer

[civic bison]

nobody ever said anything about theming

[hasty ingot]

Why tf did autocorrect add Homer

Instead of joker

[kindred tree]

@hasty ingot did

[kindred tree]

that exists everywhere though

blueprint is buffed brainstorm

[mossy anvil]

1 double tag per round or ante instead might be better

[kindred tree]

and they have the same theming

[kindred tree]

it was a joke

[mossy anvil]

Is it

[kindred tree]

yeah they have the exact same theming, you have a brainstorm then you make it into a blueprint

and it's buffed because brainstorm is locked to leftmost but blueprint can be any joker that is compatible

[hasty ingot]

I think that’s an exception purely because copy abilities are fun, but you won’t find something like Large Egg which gains +$10 sell value

[mossy anvil]

I want large and gg

[kindred tree]

because thats a terrible idea

[mossy anvil]

What in the auto correct

I want large egg

[hasty ingot]

If we add existing versions of jokers but at different rarities and stronger, the game becomes more boring. There can be similar jokers like Banner and Ramen both discouraging discarding, but they have different conditions.

Like this is literally just spare trousers but better

[mossy anvil]

How bout legendary largest egg + 10000 sell value each round

[hasty ingot]

Ok I think you’re onto something

[fair rapids]

dagger salivating

[mossy anvil]

on something*

[kindred tree]

there's cavendish and the other one that i cant spell

also there are plenty of jokers that are versions of other jokers that arent even buffed

like greedy lustful wrathful and gluttonous jokers

[hasty ingot]

Difference is that joker has a reason to exist along side gros michel: it has a theming that ties into bananas going extinct

[kindred tree]

as well as jolly joker and all it's counterparts

[kindred tree]

and mine has a theming of circus inside jokes i dont see the problem

spare trousers and spare jeans are both inside jokes

[wicked jackal]

Theme is already taken tbh

And also no reason to have spare trousers 2.0

[kindred tree]

yea but by like 30 other jokers so it's not really a theme anymore and neither is it taken

[wicked jackal]

My take

[last yarrow]

theyre the same thing you just pulled out a thesaurus

[kindred tree]

should we get rid of blueprint and cavendish then

[hasty ingot]

We don’t need two pants jokers based on two pair

[last yarrow]

yes actually

[wicked jackal]

0.25x full house

[kindred tree]

no they're seperate inside jokes

[last yarrow]

spare pants

[hasty ingot]

I dislike brainstorm conceptually tbh

[wicked jackal]

Spare shorts

[kindred tree]

do you want me to explain them

the inside jokes

[last yarrow]

if you need to explain them then the average player won't get it

[wicked jackal]

^

[kindred tree]

the average player doesnt know who tf canio is

[wicked jackal]

Also i looked up spare jeans joke and saw nothing so if you can't even find it with a google search it's too obscure

[fair rapids]

the average player probably thinks the legendaries are just random folks with a funny hat and names

[wicked jackal]

Especially since like

[last yarrow]

it takes 1 Google search and if you juxtapose it with the other legendaries you can figure it ojt

[kindred tree]

literally same with my idea probably

[wicked jackal]

The average person will just assume they have the same theme

[kindred tree]

which is a good trope alone if you don't do research

[fair rapids]

maybe im an exception but if i looked at legendary jokers not knowing they're based off real jesters i would probably think they're random localthunk OCs

[wicked jackal]

It just needs a different theme and a different hand type

[kindred tree]

which is partly my idea

[kindred tree]

im listening but what other theme would there be

[wicked jackal]

You also literally called it just buffed spare trousers

[wicked jackal]

Idk there's a reason I don't make suggestions

[kindred tree]

cause i was pointing out the theming

[last yarrow]

Make it full house

[wicked jackal]

I said that part

[kindred tree]

ok done

[wicked jackal]

I just don't have a theme

[wicked jackal]

Ok so you admit the theme is the same

[last yarrow]

name it Surplus Breeches

[kindred tree]

thats the point i was trying to get across whats wrong with that

[kindred tree]

.

[last yarrow]

id argue brainstorm is nerfed blueprint

[wicked jackal]

Ok and? We don't usually like that jokers are just other jokers but better

[kindred tree]

.

[wicked jackal]

Like i dislike the existence of onyx agate

[last yarrow]

Cavendish outright replaces gros so

[kindred tree]

exactly

[wicked jackal]

-_-

[kindred tree]

well onyx agate was just a terrible idea

[wicked jackal]

Then why are you making one

[kindred tree]

because i believe that its not

[wicked jackal]

Cavendish is a bad analogy

[kindred tree]

its not

i gtg yall come up with a theme if you want

[wicked jackal]

It's playing off the extinction theme and the whole point is to replace gros Michel because that's the entire theme

[hasty ingot]

Yea it’s not just two bananas that happen to exist

[wicked jackal]

Obelisk level scaling for near 0 effort compared to +2 mult per hand

[wicked jackal]

^

It's not like gros michel and Cavendish are just there

Completely unlinked

With 0 relation

[last yarrow]

If you make it full house it solves both the full house problem and overtuning kinda

[wicked jackal]

Yeah

Now we just need a new theme and it can actually be a good joker

[hasty ingot]

But then the name would need to change

Yeah

[wicked jackal]

Yes

[last yarrow]

Overcrowding

[wicked jackal]

Okay wait this is probably stupid but

Overcrowding (rare)
+0.4x mult if played hand contains a full house
Resets if played hand does not contain a two pair

[hasty ingot]

Spare Genes (legendary) If first played hand has 2 cards, duplicate both of them

[wicked jackal]

Okay but is this worth a suggestion or not

[hasty ingot]

Ehhh feels too similar to obelisk but way more harsh then

[kindred tree]

i feel like since this is a spin off of my spin off it wouldn't make sense though

and we shouldnt make more legendary jokers i like having just the five

[kindred tree]

this is reasonable its really harsh though and expects you to play a two pair every hand

what if resets whenever you dont play a pair

[hasty ingot]

It’s a joke

[kindred tree]

oh alr

Spare jeans (cancelled)