Wild Joker (Rare)

[silent zephyr]

+X0.5 Mult when a wild card is scored this round (Currently X1 Mult)

the images above are a couple of designs for the joker, lemme know which one is better (i personally like the first one better)

[final nacelle]

@woven roost How wild...

[woven roost]

hehehehe

[silent zephyr]

heres an image with the eye fixed

[soft swallow]

+0.1X when scored is a bit ludicrous lmao, either having it reset or just be a “per wild in deck” would probably be much more healthy

[silent zephyr]

ig it could be +0.2X and reset at the end of round

[soft swallow]

If it’s per round you could honestly probably get away with +0.25, but 0.2 is probably a better start until it’s proven underpowered

[silent zephyr]

yea +X0.25 just makes more sense ill do that

[queen jasper]

I prefer art 2 personally.

I like the 0.1X when scored personally- more than it being per wild in deck

Im amenable to the 0.2x and resetting though- thats 1X for a full hand of Wilds

[soft swallow]

Per scored is fine with a big benefit like this as long as it resets yeah. Just compare it to like… card sharp, that guy gets X3 for pretty little work. X0.2 with triggers would make this more effective but it’d need a ton of deck fixing, which is the kind of “niche / power” dynamic the game thrives on

[queen jasper]

For the card sharp thing- it requires atleast 1 hand be played prior of the same type, and requires good draws/deckfixing.

0.1X per wild without resetting is around that level of strength if you consider Card Sharps near reliance on flushes, HC, and Pair

Which is to say your 2nd point about deck fixing is spot on, but the card sharp comparison feels weird to me

[silent zephyr]

eh i feel like art 2 would get copyrighted by uno

[soft swallow]

Wasn’t really trying to compare them, more just gauge the level of effectiveness I’d compare this to

[queen jasper]

Fair enough

[queen jasper]

Oh if were comparing strictly the level of effectiveness this is pretty darn weak, even in comparison to card sharp

For a rare

[silent zephyr]

Wild Joker (Uncommon)

[silent zephyr]

fair enough

[queen jasper]

I think itd be fun but 1X- that you lose at the end of the round- for playing 5 tarots/packs worth of cards, is largely ineffective

[dusty bison]

I think it working like a campfire or hit the road would be really fun/engaging but having a scaling joker for simply playing a wild card doesn’t have anything to do with it being a wild card.

[silent zephyr]

but yall gotta consider that its +X0.25 Mult and not +X0.1

[queen jasper]

I was under the impression its 0.2 not 0.25

Myb

0.1 i think would work if it never reset

[dusty bison]

I think something that incorporates suits would make it way cooler. It’s nice to make wild cards viable but it kinda takes away from what the enhancement does

[silent zephyr]

that was what it originally was, but i feel like it was a bit op

[queen jasper]

Thats why I feel like it hot resetting would be cool, it rewards fitting them into hands you'd already want to play, instead of being a Joker centered around playing as many Wilds in one/two hands as possible

[dusty bison]

Yeah like I said the reset is cool, but the concept could apply to any enhancement. Play (insert enhancement) to get x0.25 Mult

what makes wild cards unique is the suit changing

[soft swallow]

Well if we’re going specifically for flavor, you’d probably want something more in line with “scoring a wild card does X to other scoring cards”

Cause like in Uno the wild card forces you to play a certain other color

[dusty bison]

I think I thought of something where if the wild card is played from its original suit it has an effect. No idea if it’s broken or terrible but I thought it was cool to incorporate the suit aspect

[soft swallow]

Undecided on that one, that’s a unique interaction but kinda goes against the flavor of wild

[silent zephyr]

maybe smth like "if you play a wild with 4 other cards, each card give +X0.25 Mult per other card of the same suit"?

[dusty bison]

The whole point of it is just so you can use suit based jokers without needing to worry, it’s underpowered by design so it’s hard to make it work

[soft swallow]

That might be a bit over complicated

[soft swallow]

In response to this

[silent zephyr]

hmm

[queen jasper]

"If played hand contains a flush, scoring cards give 0.5X mult. increases by X0.5 per suit in played hand."

[silent zephyr]

so wild cards increase this by +X2?

[queen jasper]

It doesnt directly mention Wilds but I can only think of 3 jokers that'd work with it- and the joker itself is called Wild Joker would be intuitive enough to understand its main synergy (plus it shouldn't appear until a wild is in deck, keeping in line with Steel Joker and Lucky Cat)

[soft swallow]

Are we going off the art or just making a cool effect cause this is good for the latter but for the former this strikes me as more of a support joker

[queen jasper]

Each wild can only count as 1 suit to each Joker, like Flower Pot

So 1 wild would make it X1.5

[dusty bison]

X1.5 Mult every time a wild card is scored from its original suit

[queen jasper]

Actually

Hm

[dusty bison]

just plain straight up like that

[queen jasper]

My wording has a problem when compared to my intention

[queen jasper]

Fixed

No Wilds = 1X

3 Wilds = 2.5X (as all 4 suits are used)

[dusty bison]

I’m not sure about forcing the flush

That would just make it a flush wild card build no matter what

[soft swallow]

2.5X for three wilds seems a bit steep too imo

[queen jasper]

I mean

On the prior concept it was way more than 3 to reach 2.5X

[soft swallow]

Three wilds is pretty hard to get unless that’s like the only enhancement you’re going for

[queen jasper]

And that was over multiple hands, slowly building up- but then resetting at the end making it feel eh in my mind

[soft swallow]

That’s fair but you could also retrigger

[queen jasper]

Same with my idea

Retriggers the 1.5 to 2.5X instead of retriggering for +0.2X

[dusty bison]

This kinda sounds like ancient joker with more steps now that I think about it

[queen jasper]

Ancient but half assable

[soft swallow]

Oh wait each CARD gives 2.5X?

[queen jasper]

If 3 wilds are played ye

If 2, 2x
If 1, 1.5X

[soft swallow]

Bloodstone on crack

[queen jasper]

Technically 0.5X if you play only stone cards but shhhh

[dusty bison]

Ok I think having a card that just makes ancient joker poo poo dog water is bad

The cooler ancient joker

[queen jasper]

Ancient is still stronger for any other situation but having tons of wilds- and wilds would carry more value individually for Ancient

[soft swallow]

I don’t hate that design but you’d 100% have to nerf the value, you could just dig for the one wild in your deck and get a free bloodstone + oops all 6’s proc

[queen jasper]

Thats definitely fair, but at 0.25 you only ever reach 2X for having all four suits in a flush

(Assuming I make the start 1X instead of 0.5X)

[soft swallow]

Which is straight up idol with only a flush

Far less deck fixing

[queen jasper]

A flush with 3 wilds, which dont have many retrigger options innately

[dusty bison]

Man it’s hard to make a wild card specific joker since it’s whole purpose is to enable flushes or suit based jokers

[queen jasper]

Honestly

Why are we even discussing idol its endless slop

I get the Ancient Joker comparison though

[dusty bison]

There’s a reason there’s no hierophant or empress joker because there isn’t anything cool about them

[soft swallow]

Endless slop jokers :bleh:

[dusty bison]

I’m starting to wonder if wild cards are just a boring enhancement

[soft swallow]

They are lmao

[queen jasper]

They also dont support specific playstyles like Wild, Steel, or Gold do

[soft swallow]

But they’re fixable

Theoretically

[queen jasper]

Id argue Lucky cards fit closer to Hierophant and Empress than Wilds do

[soft swallow]

Yes

[queen jasper]

And Luckys have a Joker

[dusty bison]

Lucky Cat is goat status though

[queen jasper]

Oh I agree i just think Wilds are boring isnt the same argument as Mult/Bonus cards are boring due to the context around how the enhancement plays

[dusty bison]

Not to say they do the same thing but they’re just boring

This is a cool concept and art but I think the best way to make wild cards better is to add more suit based jokers

That are good late ante options

[sweet mulch]

I agree, 0.2 isn't strong enough to warrant wild cards

[silent zephyr]

maybe X0.5 per scored wild card?

Wild Joker (Rare)