Joker Idea: Asteroid Belt

[flint hazel]

An econ joker which encourages you to level up all your hands!

[slate crow]

this is so unbelievably bad what

you need to get the equivalent of a maxxed out satellite for 1/4th the rewards

and satellite is already one of the worst econ jokers

[flint hazel]

what about $2-$3?

[slate crow]

its still pretty bad

the idea just functionally doesn't work

[open relic]

yeah this is just worst satellite and wouldnt work with any run i feel

[simple python]

i just thought about it for more than 3 seconds and realised you need 9 planet cards minimum to scale this by 1

[open relic]

when do you get to have your lowest level hand be anything above a 3

[flint hazel]

I like the idea of interacting with your lowest level hand, but could be something else than money, maybe your three lowest hands, or double the level of your lowest ranked hand

[slate crow]

it still has the same problem

[strong hull]

"ah yes just give me 24 strategically chosen planet cards to even reach golden jokers econ rate"

[slate crow]

you need 9 different planet cards to make it work

[open relic]

your highest can be 38 but that straight flush youre never gonna use in a run is nkt getting 3 levels while everything else also gets 4

[simple python]

true, even worse if at any point you unlock a secret hand which would plummet it to 1 until you up that hand

[slate crow]

relying on a lowest hand level simply doesn't work unless the payout is crazy

[open relic]

its absurd requirements

[open relic]

and i dont want more op econ in the game

i hate rebate for making things so simple econ wise

you need deckfixing and multiple jokers to matchup to rebates power its dumb

[flint hazel]

what about if it's something about the 5 lowest hands? then you'd just need to level up 4 hands for it to scale

[open relic]

which gets you 10 dollars a round for no deckfixing

on average

[slate crow]

i don't like that just being a direct upgrade to golden joker tbh

it wouldn't really be used for the scaling at that point

[flint hazel]

it wouldn't be $1 a level then though

[slate crow]

thats the same issue then

this really doesn't work, especially not as an econ joker

[flint hazel]

could it be something that interacts with your least played hand instead since you have more control over that?

[slate crow]

thats a bit better

but strushes are just too hard to hit for that to be amazing either

and 4oak too

[simple python]

if this was your least played hand it still has the issue where strushes cripple it

[flint hazel]

that's true

[open relic]

this is just less interesting satellite ngl

in the econ side

[slate crow]

if it was made into an xmult joker like

"×3 mult if you have no hands at level 1"

doing a drivers license thing

thatd be okay

[simple python]

yeah that could work

blackhole + this would go kinda crazy

[grave veldt]

$1 a round, gains $1 for every Black Hole used this run

[simple python]

yeah thats what it basically is

[grave veldt]

wow I love this
satellite but worse

[open relic]

a rare consumable and joker working together well is whatever as hell

balance wise thats fine

[simple python]

yeah but i like pointing it out

black hole is as rare as the soul

of course it should be no basis of balance

[open relic]

the xmult angle would be fine honestly

xmult you work for isnt a new concept

[grave veldt]

what about x2 mult for every level above 1 on your lowest level hand
or is that too much

[open relic]

and this would make it not compete with satellite but be a good companion

[slate crow]

admittedly it does step on consts toes a bit

[flint hazel]

I was thinking something like this as well originally

[open relic]

not really. constellation scales from repeat planets so it can also ise blue seals and also outscale a static 3x

think vamp vs drivers license

[slate crow]

once again i feel like thats too weak

9 planet cards for x2 is kinda not great

[grave veldt]

it’s exactly what you suggested with a buff of no ceiling

[flint hazel]

well that's the same as you suggested but scaling, no?

[grave veldt]

x3

[slate crow]

oh wait no youre right

mb

[simple python]

nah its synergy, constellation is +mult, you need both xmult and +mult to score real big, if they have similar basis of scaling its synergy not competition since they are different "resources"

[slate crow]

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[flint hazel]

constellation is xmult

[simple python]

wait

am i confusing it with sth else

oh im stupid

i was thinking supernova

wait no

[open relic]

either way constellation and this idea wouldnt really intervene in a bad boring way

[simple python]

fuck even that isnt even planet related

official dumbass certificate

[open relic]

youd have to at worse make the decision between potential and a better starting value

[simple python]

i forgot what 2 mid ass jokers did

[slate crow]

but hey it doesn't have to be xmult

[open relic]

which isnt a boring one

[open relic]

supernova and constellation are both great but sure

im deadass

constellation moreso

[flint hazel]

i love constellation

[slate crow]

i feel like "strong passive effect" if "hard requirement" is an idea that has some cool underutilized design space

[simple python]

they aint bad but forgettable

[slate crow]

const is like top 10 jokers what

[simple python]

people think that?

[slate crow]

yes???

[grave veldt]

drivers license my beloved?

[slate crow]

its crazy good

[slate crow]

yeah drivers is like pretty much the only joker that does this

[open relic]

consistent scaling xmult that can be applied to any hand is good

[simple python]

maybe i just never got lucky enough to see too many planet cards with it to have it pop off but it like betrayed twice so far

[open relic]

also blue seals are busted and enable it to hell and back too

you always would want blue seals unless youre running specifically obelisk

[flint hazel]

maybe should be a rare even

[open relic]

and like obelisk is goated as is

[slate crow]

but like imagine if this was something like "+1 booster pack slot if you have no hands at level 1"

something unique for this requirement

theres interesting ideas there

[flint hazel]

broken then i think

but i like the idea of playing with other things than +mult xmult chips and econ a lot

[flint hazel]

this could be something like +1 voucher slot if [really hard requirement]

[slate crow]

that was my original idea but i figured itd be a bit too weak

just cuz of how variable voucher quality is

but like i do like the idea

[flint hazel]

but if you get 2 then most antes will have a good one

[slate crow]

and not every joker has to be op

[open relic]

that would be the seance issue then id assume

[flint hazel]

too hard requirement?

[open relic]

where a jokers requirement is so hard the effect isnt reasonably reached

[slate crow]

well

it depends on the requirement

[open relic]

its good in endless isnt an excuse

[slate crow]

no idgaf abt endless

fuck endless

[flint hazel]

no one said that

[open relic]

if a requirement isnt realistically workable towards then i dont like a joker

[slate crow]

well we haven't even set a req yet

[open relic]

Just saying before

[slate crow]

its not gonna be idol level assumedly

[open relic]

because seance requires consistent strushes which if you can play you dont need the spectrals

which is the issue

[flint hazel]

what about "if every hand type is level 2 or higher" so maybe if you got an early black hole or planet generation it is achievable but most times still pretty hard?

[open relic]

is the requirement gonna make the reward unneeded if you can reach it? is basically my question too

[flint hazel]

well an extra voucher slot never hurts

I have an idea, something like this?

this has a nice theme, even if the amount of items may need to be tweaked

[agile lily]

Make it choose a random hand every ante? You would still want to build into a certain hand each round

[austere prism]

i think this should create a planet card for your least leveled hand at the end of round, ik this would be kinda weak, but i think it works better

[slim viper]

The only deck this can see use in is maybe obelisk + astronomer

but if you look at the jokers

[austere prism]

never knew obelisk and astronomer were decks

[cobalt sand]

What if it was $1 for every level on your least played hand?

(Sorry if someone already suggested that)

[flint hazel]

doesn't solve the strushes problem, you'd even have to play a bunch of them if you want it to not be your least played hand so that might actually make it worse