Slipstream Joker, uncommon

[distant jackal]

Each played hand gives 0.05 ×mult. Resets when discard is used.

Too powerful or too weak?

[elder compass]

Way too weak I think

100 hands to get x2 mult

[distant jackal]

I buffed it a little. How's this?

[elder compass]

20 hands

[queen bloom]

Id make it x.1

[toxic current]

Too strong

This whole joker is just HC slop

[distant jackal]

Welp I tried

[valid lotus]

[sage moss]

Grimbo 2

[harsh mountain]

Maybe could have it increase on scored cards
So you can use hands as discards to find 4-5 card hands which scale it faster

Maybe potential for retrigger and splash synergy

[fleet yarrow]

I dont like this because it rewards lobotomy exclusively

[vagrant laurel]

Do something like:
each scored card gives 0.01x mult. Resets when discard used

[fleet yarrow]

That doesnt change it rewarding exclusively lobotomy

[vagrant laurel]

-# idk what you mean by that

[fleet yarrow]

lobotomy is "very easy hands that you dont really need to discard for"

[vagrant laurel]

I mean it’s per card played
and you don’t often start with a Flush / Straight

[fleet yarrow]

Per card played, not per card scored.
You can almost always play 5 cards, you can only score more cards by using Splash/Stone or playing higher hands

[vagrant laurel]

Yeah, realized that and changed it

as played would be op
boring as hell

[fleet yarrow]

as scored would be fine if it didnt reset on discards, i.e '+0.05x for every card scored'

would make a very good joker i think, design and balance wise. rewards playing higher hands

[vagrant laurel]

Yeah, maybe make it something like green joker?
-0.01x mult per card discarded?

if that part is still needed at all

[fleet yarrow]

that rewards lobotomy more still

[toxic current]

Uh that’s kinda strong,,,

0.25x per hand played?

Retriggers boost the number further?

[fleet yarrow]

if the hand contains 5 scoring cards, yes

[toxic current]

Still can be used for HC slop?

[fleet yarrow]

Can be, but it doesnt reward lobotomy more than higher hands

youre rewarded for scoring more cards, which means higher poker hands, or splash or stones but those are very niche

[vagrant laurel]

The scaling i think on 5 card spam(easy with deckfixing) would be one of the fastest in the game i think
Especially with low requirements and everything
once you’ve done a tiny bit of deckfixing/gotten splash it is purely lobotomy

play 5 cards, play 5 cards, play 5 cards
win

[fleet yarrow]

its not "purely lobotomy" at all because it rewards scoring more cards, lobotomy is pair/hc primarily which score 1 or 2 cards at base, and having a specific joker synergy seems fine (splash)

[vagrant laurel]

mmm true
still one of the best scaling things in the game
especially with more hands

but also
checkered deck

[fleet yarrow]

one specific deck being very good with it doesnt make it unbalanced overall

[vagrant laurel]

true

but i still say
incredibly fast scaling

[fleet yarrow]

I think its fine, the values could be tweaked if need be but the design itself is good.

[toxic current]

A lot of HC/pair scaling comes from jokers so xmult that scales that fast is bloody insane

You can play two pairs to insane effect if 5 cards are supposedly too hard

This can easily hit 3x the scaling of madness for for less of a downside

[fleet yarrow]

0.1x per hand or 0.05x per hand is something that can just be tweaked by numbers to prevent it being a lobotomy joker still

[fleet yarrow]

but i dont see this as a problem

[toxic current]

So we’re back to 0.01x per card scored

I mean it’s fine I guess; I just think it won’t serve the intended purpose

Things like straights often play a HC or pair as a sudo discard

Then one shot with the main hand