Chicot Buff Idea

[storm cedar]

Chicot should get an insane buff imo or just be remodeled, redesigned, and made a rare joker. This is because imo Chicot is extremely situational and during late-game can be completely useless if you have retcon. I’m aware it has bugs that can give you infinite hand size but that is extremely obscure and even more situational.

If it were to be buffed though here is my idea:

Debuffed cards get BUFFED instead of just being not debuffed with Chicot. Buffed cards give double what they normally would except for a few exceptions

Polychrome Cards get 2x Mult
Mult Cards get +8 Mult
Bonus Cards Get +60 Chips
Polygraphic Cards get +20 Mult
Foil Cards get +100 chips
Red Seal triggers twice
Tarot card gives 2 tarot cards
Blue seal gives 2 planet cards
Lucky Card has double the odds of success
Stone card gives +100 chips
Metal Cards give 2x Mult
Normal cards give 2x chips
Gold Seal triggers twice
Gold card triggers twice
(I might of forgotten about a type of card)

Jokers would get a better effect possibly or receive a special edition temporarily

Violet Vessel and the Wall would take the same amount of chips as the last boss blind did, effectively weakening them

Verdant Leaf would add $10 of sell value to jokers

Cerulean Bell would just be disabled

Flint would give you 1.5x base chips and Mult

The Ox would give you $10 if you play the hand it says

The Manacle gives you +1 hand size temporarily (technically a nerf because of the Chicot buff)

And then Obviously all the normal boss blind effects are canceled

I also know a lot of people think Chicot doesn’t need a buff, but that’s mainly on DC in my experience. On Reddit there is a subreddit with hundreds of replies and comments proposing Chicot buff ideas and adding on to others ideas. Google also supports my claim for what it’s worth— so yeah, most people think Chicot needs a buff.

[storm cedar]

Chicot Buff Idea

[supple merlin]

chicot is already amazing

hes just boring

[distant mortar]

why should chicot get a buff

hes already fairly strobg

even amonsy legendsries

[storm cedar]

He’s the worst legendary imo, I mean you could just reroll the boss blind or use a luchador

[distant mortar]

you cant just. reroll bosses at will. or summon jokers out of your ass

[storm cedar]

if you have the voucher you can :3

[distant mortar]

if

big if

[storm cedar]

it’s petty common to have late game

more common than Chicot

[distant mortar]

not really

plus its unreliable

one reroll can still give you a bad boss blind

[storm cedar]

You’ll probably find like 3 luchadord before 1 soul card

[distant mortar]

with chicot you dont have to worry about anything

[distant mortar]

provevit

[storm cedar]

if you find Chicot

how?

[distant mortar]

the point isnt the likelyhood of these things appearing

chicot is rare yes

[storm cedar]

Then why did you bring it up

[distant mortar]

but hes vary good when you have him

[distant mortar]

did i

[storm cedar]

yeah

You said the voucher isn’t common late game

[distant mortar]

i meant you dont always have iy

[storm cedar]

I mean the plant is the biggest worry late game imo

[distant mortar]

depends but not usually

unless you're talking about endless, in which case you are still very wrong about chicot

[storm cedar]

I’m talking about endless

[distant mortar]

in fact chicot is the second best legendary in endless

[storm cedar]

How?

Maybe negative he is

But trib, perk, and even yorick (depending on how early you get him) are better imo

[distant mortar]

https://youtu.be/bfMWBomkVpA?si=Wg58E_NPMQf1FGUY

[storm cedar]

oh the double Chicot bug?

I mean yeah that’s def better than yorick and can but I personally think trib and perk better

Discards and hands don’t really help whenever you are in scientific notation or have maxed insane deck fixing

[distant mortar]

perk is better yes

[distant mortar]

its handsize that matters

[storm cedar]

true

[distant mortar]

the hamdsize gain from double chicot vs the manacal is permanent

like

it never goes away

so

if you have retcon

you can gain permanent handsize

every single ante

[storm cedar]

but that also relies on getting the mancal

[distant mortar]

and more copies of chicot makes it way better

[distant mortar]

thats why uou use retcon

if we're talking endless we can forget about the whole "its nit likely to appear" thing

[storm cedar]

yeah but you could just use retcon to never get the bosses that hurt you

[distant mortar]

3 chicots is 2 perm handsize, 4 is 3, etc

[storm cedar]

and get extra tribs

[distant mortar]

false

[storm cedar]

perm hand size?

[distant mortar]

retcon allows you to reroll indefinitely

[storm cedar]

yeah

[distant mortar]

permanent handsize

from the manacle

x chicot

[storm cedar]

You could reroll off the bosses that kill you

you would t need his stopping ability

[distant mortar]

if you have enough money you can reroll into manacle every ante

and get handsize

every ante

permanently

[storm cedar]

Idk man I feel like I’d always rather have a trib or perk

[distant mortar]

you can then use this handsize

to get more jokers

with ectoplasm

[storm cedar]

meh

[distant mortar]

perk is still better

thats why i said second best

not best

[storm cedar]

Yeah but trib

is also insane

[distant mortar]

tf u mean meh

trib is mid for endless i wont lie

he plateus

handsize doesnt have the same limit that played hand does

[storm cedar]

Trib is hosted with deck fixing

I js feel like the Chicot thing is idk

[distant mortar]

baron mime is miles stronger than triboulet retrigger in terms of power ceiling

okay damn

let me find a better video that one kinda sucked

[storm cedar]

Cuz yeah I mean sure you can have inf deck size while means more metal cards but in the grand scheme of things tribs 2x Mult on 5 cards with red seals and possibly a sock or chad would get it so high that the metal cards in hand would take it high enough that the Chicot strat wouldn’t be able to reach

[distant mortar]

https://youtu.be/6e8-QeANHJU?si=5L6CfSJwSsskgCqI meow

[distant mortar]

the chicot strat can infact reach heights higher than triboulet

[storm cedar]

but can it hold on long enough is the real question

[distant mortar]

without perkatory (which is a naneinf strat on its own) triboulet needs a lot of blueprints in order to naneinf

[distant mortar]

yes

chicot manacle is one of the more consistent ways to score high and reach ante 39

only beaten out by perkatory

i think

and maybe crimson bean

[storm cedar]

uh huh

wait is this the only way that Chicot is good tho

[distant mortar]

no

its the inly way chciot is good in endless specifically

[supple merlin]

no in ante 8 runs removing boss blinds as a threat is insane

[distant mortar]

because rhats what we were falking about

[supple merlin]

theyre what makes most runs die

[distant mortar]

yeah

[storm cedar]

Cuz I know atleast 75% of the player base doesn’t care about reaching ante 39

Really?

Ppl die to ante 8 boss?

[distant mortar]

i once lost a solid straight run because the fucking flint

[distant mortar]

yes

[storm cedar]

the flint is my nemesis

[distant mortar]

violet vessel is a notorious run killer

1.2mil req my beloved

[storm cedar]

I always win the ante 8 boss cuz it’s like my whole build is finished

[supple merlin]

on gold stake being picky is death so boss blinds are much more of a threat

[distant mortar]

yes but thats the "ultimate goal" when it comes to endless which again is what you brought up

[distant mortar]

its not always finished by then esp on high stakes

[storm cedar]

meh

gold stake wasn’t too hard imo

[supple merlin]

a build being finished on gold stake means you scale faster than the game does for the first 8 antes

[storm cedar]

atleast the ante 8 boss

[supple merlin]

and have backup for boss blind threats

[distant mortar]

experiences vary. it is a roguelite game

[storm cedar]

I got to like ante 14 after my first gold stake win

[daring magnet]

chicot is one of the most useful legendaries imo

[storm cedar]

I just personally think Chicot is mid

[supple merlin]

would you look at that chicots speciality

[daring magnet]

doesnt need a buff or nerf i think hes fine

[storm cedar]

I don’t use crazy bugs

[distant mortar]

thats okay but it definitely doesnt need a buff

[supple merlin]

chicot is number 2 best legendary imo behind yorick since yorick is so free to use

[distant mortar]

especially in ante 8 runs, which need i remind you is what the game is balanced and built around

[storm cedar]

BEHIND YORICK?

[distant mortar]

canip is better imo

[storm cedar]

NOT PERK?

OR TRIB?

[daring magnet]

yorick is just passive xmult gain by playing the game and not focusing on scaling him

(discarding)

[supple merlin]

worlds most consistent xmult scaler

[distant mortar]

perkeo and trib arent that amazing in ante 8 runs

news flash

[storm cedar]

yeah but Yorick better than perk 😭

[supple merlin]

perkeos solid in ante 8

[distant mortar]

you dont need baron mime with 200 cryptids to win gokd stake

[supple merlin]

trib is below average

[daring magnet]

why are we saying perkeo is behind yorick

??

[distant mortar]

it is the fastest scaling joker in the game (on average)

[supple merlin]

you dont need to score 1 billion to beat vessel

[supple merlin]

not fastest but easiest to enable

[storm cedar]

actually if you get a cryptif with either 2 perks or blueprint/brainstorm then perk is insane for ante 8

[distant mortar]

madness scaling with no downside

[supple merlin]

no strat requires changing a thing

[supple merlin]

a big if

[distant mortar]

welll you do need to full discard to get full value

[supple merlin]

so a slight change

got it

[daring magnet]

funny thing on of my friend's first winning runs (second one or third one) HE GOT TRIBOULET, PHOTOGRAPH, RETRIGGERS AND GOT OVER 600M SCORE AND REACHED PAST ANTE 12

i'll never forget that

so stupid

[distant mortar]

yeah man if you get vagabond ante 1 and campfire and blueprint and brainstorm then ante 8 is pretty easy

[storm cedar]

yeah

[daring magnet]

why exactly does chicot need a buff

[distant mortar]

idk what this proves all of the jokers i listed are really good 💀

generally i mean

[storm cedar]

I just don’t think it’s that’s good on face value

I g eat the bugs and stuff

[distant mortar]

the bug is only important for endless

[storm cedar]

But you could just reroll the bosses blind or luchador it

[distant mortar]

it doesnt come into play for ante 8 runs

[storm cedar]

and matador becomes useless

yeah

[distant mortar]

again, you dont always have those

[distant mortar]

oh no

not matador

[daring magnet]

reroll boss blind could give you a worse boss blind

[distant mortar]

everyones favorite joker

[storm cedar]

I usually do ante 8 runs on gold stake so like

[distant mortar]

this is also true

[daring magnet]

luchador is a fucking uncommon and will never appear in your face instantly

and hes one use

[distant mortar]

what if i reroll needle and get the eye

[storm cedar]

Retcon tho

[daring magnet]

luck walks in

[distant mortar]

retcon is more rare than luchador

[storm cedar]

I hate matador

[daring magnet]

you either have NO money

[supple merlin]

if you get chad luchadore and photo ante 1 is a better example

[daring magnet]

or you never get retcon

[supple merlin]

since photo is kinda trash alone

[distant mortar]

true

[storm cedar]

It’s just like for gold stake runs Chicot is trash unless he comes in clutch against vio vess

he’s just not that useful for my playstyle

[supple merlin]

removing all boss blind threats is bad? news to me

[distant mortar]

he comes in clutch against most boss blinds

guess what

[daring magnet]

for gold stake runs boss blinds can usually be the cause of your death and not the score requirement itself??

[distant mortar]

boss blinds are bad

they do bad things

wow

!!

except serpent

hes pretty chill

[storm cedar]

serpent is goated

[distant mortar]

but not particularlu good

[storm cedar]

that’s another thing

[daring magnet]

serpent is not goated

[storm cedar]

they make serpent bad

yes he is

[daring magnet]

you just draw less cards

[storm cedar]

no

[daring magnet]

but u can go over handsize

[distant mortar]

there is a grand total of 1 (one) beneficial boss blind and even tbays debatable

[storm cedar]

Discard like 1 card

[daring magnet]

discard 1 card get 2 which goes over your hand size

mmmm

amazing

[storm cedar]

you can just pull like your whole deck of steel red sealed kings late game

[daring magnet]

what if i dont get the cards i need

[distant mortar]

serpent isnt very bad for you

[storm cedar]

that’s too bad man

[distant mortar]

can we stfu about endless

im already tired of it

[storm cedar]

He’s better than like flint or

the plant

[daring magnet]

were not talking about mimaron naneinf 9239239293923 score

[storm cedar]

why you hate endless

[supple merlin]

ok real talk balance wise endless is dead 6 feet under. only like 15 jokers are viable endless

[distant mortar]

it is not fun
it is not fun to discuss
it is not fun to play

[storm cedar]

whaaat

[daring magnet]

im talking about in general ante 1-8 gameplay

[supple merlin]

so i dont give a single shit about its balance

[distant mortar]

endless has like 2 total strategies

[storm cedar]

You don’t like getting E20

what

[distant mortar]

the game isnt even balanced around endless

[storm cedar]

It has like a million

[distant mortar]

not really

[storm cedar]

have you seen the content creators

[distant mortar]

no not really

[distant mortar]

yes

[storm cedar]

going into high score endless

[supple merlin]

if baron was chips itd be so much better and i dont care if it means assassinating endless strats

[daring magnet]

ooooooohhh i get a number with 20 zeros i am so excited

[distant mortar]

its all baron mime or some perkeo bullshit

[storm cedar]

yeah that’s fun to me

watching the Mult rise and rise

[distant mortar]

its fun for the same reason short form content is fun

[daring magnet]

you just sound like someone whos a crackhead

not

[distant mortar]

its just instant dopamine

[daring magnet]

to be rude

[distant mortar]

no difficulty

[storm cedar]

nah man

[distant mortar]

no thinking

[storm cedar]

It’s hard sometimes

[distant mortar]

just big number

endless is not hard

[storm cedar]

if you mess up a hand

It’s over

It slowly scales too

[distant mortar]

its pretty easy to pull up to white stake and score like e12

[storm cedar]

If you watch Roffles stream you will see how intense it gets

[distant mortar]

its not very intense

[storm cedar]

E12 is weak

[daring magnet]

why are we talking about content creators now

[distant mortar]

i know

[daring magnet]

E12 isnt weak

atleast outside of balatro

[storm cedar]

I mean compared to what you can get

[daring magnet]

thats a pretty big fucking number

[distant mortar]

because content creators are the be all end all

[storm cedar]

yeah dug

duh*

[distant mortar]

i was being sarcastic

anyway

meow

[storm cedar]

not you

[distant mortar]

oh

moew anywya

[storm cedar]

yes

ribboit

[distant mortar]

even if endless is hard its not fun regardless

[daring magnet]

endless's scaling is just stupid

[storm cedar]

Ig our opinions are really different

[daring magnet]

ante 11-12 is somewhat ok then boom ante 13 fucking billions

i never rlly want to play endless

[distant mortar]

ive played plenty of endless

[daring magnet]

unless im playing modded

[storm cedar]

yeah I mean it’s kinda crazy how it goes from mills to bills instantly

[distant mortar]

it always feels the same

[storm cedar]

And then to scientific notation

[supple merlin]

yeha it should be even higher imo

[storm cedar]

can’t lie I’ve never played modded balatro

[supple merlin]

after ante 12 endless scaling should get brutal

[distant mortar]

i dont reslly care if its higher or lower

i dont play endless enoigh

to cate

[storm cedar]

I wanna play crpyid so bad man

[daring magnet]

it already is pretty brutal but endless isnt exactly something i play usually

[distant mortar]

you should. numbers go reallky big!! its so fun.

[storm cedar]

It’s just I play on switch 2

[distant mortar]

cryptid gets boring very fast

[storm cedar]

and you know the whole bricking thing

[supple merlin]

every mod that adds endless oriented jokers just adds more xmult on score jokers and retriggers

[storm cedar]

if ya mod ur switch

[distant mortar]

lol switch 2 user

sorry

[daring magnet]

and it turns into spam rerolling with over e732 dollars

looking for a specific joker/card

[distant mortar]

yeah

[storm cedar]

Eventually you don’t need to look for a specific card anymore

[supple merlin]

its sock and buskin and trib but with sifferent names

[storm cedar]

you can just

[daring magnet]

i only play cryptid when i dont have anything else to do

[distant mortar]

or ^mult

[storm cedar]

play the same 5 cards over and over

and over

[daring magnet]

tetration jumpscare

[storm cedar]

and over and over and over…

[distant mortar]

so fun

[distant mortar]

no thats exponentatioj

[storm cedar]

maybe endless is boring sometimes

[distant mortar]

tetration is ^^

[daring magnet]

no i was talking about some mods put in tetration as if its normal

[distant mortar]

yeah

[daring magnet]

but thats mods like mayhem so

[distant mortar]

even though tetration is wild

[daring magnet]

tetration almost instantly puts ur score into hashtags

its fucking stupid

[storm cedar]

wait is cryptid the one that adds that stupid overpowered walugi joker

[distant mortar]

fcking 4^^3 is e154

[storm cedar]

it’s like why even care about the jokers when you can js spam negative versions of them

I’m sorry what

[distant mortar]

waluigi isnt even among cryptid's most powerful jokers

[daring magnet]

thats excluding if you dont have other mult jokers

[storm cedar]

ITS NOT?

[distant mortar]

yeah

[daring magnet]

scalae stares

[distant mortar]

theres some insane shit in cyptid

namely

[storm cedar]

omg wait the exotic ones

[distant mortar]

oil lamp

dear god

oil lamp

[daring magnet]

scalae, oil lamp and tropical smoothie are so fucking stupid

also there's a bug with scalae and tropical smoothie that lets tropical smoothie scale exponentially basically

[distant mortar]

get 2 oil lamps and literally every joker broken

[daring magnet]

if you have a forcetrigger

[distant mortar]

force triggers are crazy too

and smoothie

[daring magnet]

force triggers make tropical smoothie SO stupid

[storm cedar]

I like how this went from Chicot bugs to endless to cryptid

[distant mortar]

anything that increases joker values

[daring magnet]

nyway back to chicot

tldr: chicot is good enough doesnt need a nerf

[storm cedar]

Alr well I’m getting off now cuz it’s 2AM where I live

[daring magnet]

or buff

[storm cedar]

cya

[distant mortar]

like my best cryptid run literally just used like 4 oil lamps and primus

to get like

^ee30 or something mult

idk man

[daring magnet]

im gonna probably try to get scalae and tropical smoothie and a forcetrigger and do stupid shit

[distant mortar]

oil lamp is busted

one time i was just playing cryptid casually

then i got

[daring magnet]

the only time i find cryptid fun is when stupid things happen

[distant mortar]

ONE HOOK

and suddenly my joker slots had like

[daring magnet]

or you're playing on modest which isnt even very balanced

[distant mortar]

200 astral jolly jokers

💀

hook is op

[daring magnet]

hook is so fucking stupid bruh

if you're talking about the code card

if you hook anything that trigger lots of times with a good xmult/mult joker

[distant mortar]

i think i hooked Megg up to m stack

[daring magnet]

your score is instantly in the billions/e's

[distant mortar]

and got a bajillion jollies

one of my favorite cryptid runs

[daring magnet]

anyway we probably shouldnt be talking here

this is about

chicot

[distant mortar]

was when i got a Speculo and Brainsyrom

[daring magnet]

cough

[distant mortar]

and got

500 brainstorms

:3

oh yeaj chicot

uhh he doesnt need a buff meow

[polar coral]

Chicot is already the better soul hit than triboulet

This sounds completely broken

[fathom arrow]

of course this stance is based on endless

[neat stag]

the game isn't balanced around endless, as evidenced by there only being like 10 viable jokers

[fast abyss]

the point is that you probably won't find both

chicot is fine if boring

[granite needle]

@storm cedar “him” referring to Chicot in this case

[remote slate]

No

[polar coral]

Endless is not real